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Foley, Gays and the Religious Right: Is This the Nail in the GOP Coffin?

By Evan Derkacz, AlterNet. Posted October 3, 2006.


It's become clear that the Republican leadership protected a predator. Will it cost them the conservative Christian votes they so desperately need?
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If there's any question as to why former Rep. Mark Foley was able to continue his harassment of teenage congressional pages, look no further than the spin of Bush spokesman Tony Snow: "Look, I hate to tell you but it's not always pretty up there on Capitol Hill, and there have been other scandals, as you know, that have been more than simply, uh, uh, uh, naughty emails."

Those "naughty emails" (and instant messages) included "I would drive a few miles for a hot stud like you," requests for photos, unambiguous advances ("Do I make you a little horny?"), and exchanges like this one (Maf54 is Foley):

Maf54: What ya wearing?

Teen: T-shirt and shorts.

Maf54: Love to slip them off of you.
As egregious as his behavior appears to be, the writer of the above messages isn't the whole story -- he's merely a catalyst. Foley, who resigned on Friday, has checked into alcohol rehab and stated that he was "deeply sorry." He faces an FBI investigation to perhaps, ironically, be convicted under some of the laws he helped to pass.

But the bigger, more institutional question remains: What did the GOP leadership know, and when did they know it? Evidence suggests that Speaker Dennis Hastert and Majority Leader Jim Boehner both knew that there were issues -- though neither, of course, cops to awareness of anything approaching the text above. In fact, evidence suggests that Foley's behavior was well known in GOP circles for years, with former page Matthew Loraditch telling ABC News that pages were warned to "watch out for Foley" as early as 2001.

After initially stating simply that he knew nothing until it was reported in the press, House Speaker Dennis Hastert eventually owned up to the fact that his office was notified of "over-friendly" communications between Foley and a page many months earlier. His office was also notified that the page's family "wanted the contact to stop."

This was roughly a year ago, in the fall of 2005, yet the speaker did nothing. In fact, though he admits he was personally told about this by Rep. Rodney Alexander, he also claims to not "explicitly recall" the conversation. Alexander is the congressman of the page on the other end of Foley's advances.

According to an AP report, "Rep. Thomas Reynolds, who heads the House Republican election effort, said Saturday he told Hastert months ago about concerns that a fellow Republican lawmaker, Rep. Mark Foley, had sent inappropriate messages to a teenage boy."
Then there's Majority Leader Jim Boehner's conversation with Hastert, during which, Boehner says, Hastert claimed that "we're taking care of it." That was this spring. Since then, Hastert has allowed Foley several months of "over-friendly" "contact" with a teenager. In a CNN interview, conservative Bay Buchanan noted that the earliest emails "had predator stamped all over it." And that: "No one in the country can suggest otherwise."

Hastert has consistently followed the Katrina approach to leadership: ignore the warning signs, keep cronies in power and undercut investigations of wrongdoing. Hastert himself is the beneficiary of cronyism -- he was shepherded into the position of leadership by Tom DeLay after Newt Gingrich's resignation and the resignation of the man who was poised to replace Gingrich. A third-stringer, as it were.

According to the Washington Post's Jonathan Weisman, Hastert's office was well known to take a "laissez-faire" approach to ethics issues. Weisman quotes a Republican source, who adds: "They don't respond when things are bending, but they get very excited when they break."

Sure, this could easily describe Hastert's actions with regard to the Foley case. But the story actually appeared earlier this year when Hastert came under fire for his softball treatment of bribery and corruption allegations against Republican Bob Ney. Ney, who's now in prison, was officially subpoenaed for documents in the Abramoff scandal months before being asked "to temporarily relinquish the chairmanship of the House Administration Committee." Still, upon learning of "over-friendly" communications with a teenage boy, Hastert didn't even ask Foley to quit his post as chairman of the Missing and Exploited Children's Caucus.

Prior to that, Hastert had bent over backwards to protect Tom DeLay and others, going so far as to replace the Republican head of the ethics committee when he attempted to actually enforce ethics rules. Then, when DeLay faced a determined Texas prosecutor in Ronnie Earle, Hastert went and changed the House ethics rules altogether. The changes were eventually repealed as they allowed too much leeway for even this House to deal with.

It's clear that this isn't a problem that can be taken care of by ousting one or two bad apples. It's institutional. Insider journal Roll Call writes:
As of Saturday evening, nearly a dozen House GOP lawmakers and staffers have acknowledged that they knew of the initial batch of nonsexually explicit messages from Foley to a 16-year-old former House page, some of them for a year or more. These include Hastert; Majority Leader John Boehner (Ohio); National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman Tom Reynolds (N.Y.); Reps. Rodney Alexander (La.) and John Shimkus (Ill.); Mike Stokke, the speaker’s deputy chief of staff; Ted Van Der Meid, Hastert’s counsel; Paula Nowakowski, Boehner’s chief of staff; Jeff Trandahl, the former clerk of the House; and another Hastert aide and Alexander’s chief of staff, according to public statements and GOP insiders.
Not one of the above ever told a Democrat about Foley's actions, including the only Democrat on the House page board, Rep. Dale Kildee. On Monday, the political maneuvering became even more vivid, with Hastert telling CNN that he was probably informed by Reynolds "in the context of maybe a half a dozen or a dozen other things ... that might have affected campaigns."

Winning campaigns is, of course, a necessity in this line of work. The problem has been that Hastert and much of the GOP-led congress has let the desire to win overshadow the best interests of the American people. It was the case with DeLay, Ney and now Foley, whose actions could have been hindered much earlier, were a better balance struck between elections and ethics.

Up to this point, the "coverup" had been a mostly passive one, sins of omission, shades of plausible denial and Reaganesque "I can't recall's." But then, as the first emails began to emerge, Tom Reynolds, whose job is to get Republicans elected, lent his chief of staff, Kirk Fordham, to Foley. Or "lent him back" to Foley, I should say, as Fordham was Foley's chief of staff for a decade. Fordham promptly attempted to bury his former boss's behavior by making a deal with ABC's Brian Ross, who broke the story:
The correspondent [Ross], who had dozens of instant messages that Foley sent to teenage House pages, had asked to interview the Florida Republican. Foley's former chief of staff said the congressman was quitting and that Ross could have that information exclusively if he agreed not to publish the raw, sexually explicit messages.
In effect, an operative from the office that promotes the election of Republicans attempted to suppress the most damaging elements of the emerging scandal. With just weeks to go before the midterm election, analysts are predicting that the fallout could be huge. The pundit zeitgeist seems to be favoring the natural disaster theme: "8 or 9 on the Richter scale," according to Hotline's Chuck Todd and John Mercurio.

But there's another dimension to this scandal which could prove even more damaging than the specifics of the Foley case and its coverup: the issue of gays in the Republican Party. Howie Klein expands on what Josh Bearman refers to as "karmic irony for Republicans." Meaning: the party of gay-haters being packed with gay politicians.

Klein notes that Republicans David Dreier, Jim Kolbe and Michael Huffington, are well known to be gay, in addition to a number Bush's high level staff who are thought to be as well.

Kenyn Cureton, vice president of the 16 million strong Southern Baptist Convention, noted recently that "Conservative Christians are somewhat disenchanted with Republicans," and that "It has not escaped our notice that they waited until just a few months from the November elections to address our agenda." The No. 1 priority on that agenda, ahead of abortion even, is gays.

In the Wall Street Journal last week, former House Majority Leader Dick Armey called the Christian right "thugs" and "nasty bullies," while the week before that, Focus on the Family founder James Dobson expressed his frustration at the Republican party, saying that he's "flat-out ... ticked."

As for Bush himself, in just the past two years, he's gone from 78 percent support from white evangelicals to a bruising 42 percent disapproval rating. Into this rift lands the Foley wedge. That wedge is widened by the fact that many in the GOP knew Foley was gay but didn't say anything for months or years -- a tacit acceptance, even for political reasons, of gays in the party.

In a post entitled "Pro-Homosexual Political Correctness Sowed Seeds for Foley Scandal," power pastor Tony Perkins writes: "Democrats seeking to exploit the resignation of Rep. Mark Foley, R-Fla., are right to criticize the slow response of Republican congressional leaders to his communications with male pages." Of course, he goes on to cite faulty data connecting gays to abuse, but the point remains, the rift is opening and the GOP is in danger of losing its lifeblood: conservative Christian votes.

On Monday's Good Morning America, George Stephanopoulos stuck with the natural disaster theme to paint a grim picture:
Right now it's a category 3 hurricane and it's picking up steam. Republicans all across the country are getting questions about it. But here's the key question: Did any Republican leaders know about those x-rated emails? If they did, it's game over. The leadership will have to resign. It will cost Republicans control of Congress. As one top GOP aide told me this morning, "the place will burn down."

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Evan Derkacz is AlterNet's associate editor and writer of PEEK, the blog of blogs.

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Beautiful...
Posted by: Aussie Kim on Oct 3, 2006 12:28 AM   
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...just beautiful!

Assuming there was no further contact between them beyond the internet, no real damage has been done to the youngsters AND the Repugs get to lose their main fan base AND they get to look like the slimy shits that they are!

Could you get any better?! We couldn't ask for anything more, surely!

A-MEN!!!!!

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» RE: Beautiful... Posted by: willymack
addition
Posted by: rsaxto on Oct 3, 2006 1:07 AM   
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In addition to this slimy sleaze bombshell we have the Woodward revelation that Condi Rice knew about 9/11 being planned two months before it happened and no action was taken to prevent it; an indicator that they wanted their "new pearl harbor" and its dead Americans to happen so that they could invade Iraq, etc. Slimy sleeze plus responsibility for dead Americans is breathing new life into the death of Republican dominion. Impeach them now or impeach them later but do the right thing and impeach them.

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» Bombshell Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» RE: addition..new state..sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
» RE: addition Posted by: kellysgarden
» On the Other Hand... Posted by: aonghus36
» RE: addition..sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
» RE: Live by the Sword, Die by the Sword..sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
Imeach BUSH then try him for CRIMES against HUMANITY
Posted by: thinkverybig on Oct 3, 2006 2:36 AM   
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The final BOMBSHELL needed to get these losers out of POWER. Everything happens in due time and the time is now for those who have lied, misled, corrupted etc. to be accountable for their actions/behavior. This country is truly on the wrong track and it's time that we ALL wake up and realize this and DEMAND a Change in our systems. It's time for a REVOLUTION. It's time for Change.

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pedophile does not equal gay!!!!
Posted by: lordzombie on Oct 3, 2006 3:36 AM   
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since when are pedophiles considered gay? I think perhaps we need a totally separate category of sexual orientation, its insulting to gays to be lumped in with this sort of "sicko" the writer needs to clarify this a bit.

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Endorsement?
Posted by: colinmeister on Oct 3, 2006 3:55 AM   
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My first thought when I heard of this story was:

Will NAMBLA endorse the Republican party in the upcoming elections?

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I hate to say it. . .
Posted by: Annarisse on Oct 3, 2006 4:05 AM   
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But the issue is not whether the top brass knew about the emails, it's whether anyone can prove they knew about them. There are shades of Nixon here - they just have to deny, deny, deny for five weeks, and hope no one cracks their old email file.

Much as I'd like to see a Democratic victory, if they win now, they'll get two years in office, maybe six, before the Republicans are back with a new crowd. The Dems aren't ready for a long-term victory right now.

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MyraK
Posted by: myra on Oct 3, 2006 4:55 AM   
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Mark Foley, Chairman of Congress Caucus for Missing and EXPLOITED CHILDREN, allowed to resign and check into ALOHOL REHAB. That's IT!! Alcohol made him do it. So we can assume that Alcohol is the root cause that makes men pursue sex with young boys and we must immediately recall all liquor and close all the bars. NOW, before it's too late. I have seen stupid before - but the Republicans are taking STUPID to all time high. Withholding the fact that Foley was soliciting young boys on line with sexually explicit language while letting him make decisions as Chairman for Missing/Exploited Children pretty much defines the Family Value Party (GOP) Gross Old Pedophiles - real concern for child sex abuse, etc. As the young page said himself, "It's sick sick sick sick.........."

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» RE: MyraK Posted by: theracerace
» RE: MyraK Posted by: myra
Look at this fine/gross/who-would-a-thunk mess
Posted by: John Walters on Oct 3, 2006 5:28 AM   
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There is no excuse for the GOP who knew for defending even the most mild “overly-friendly” email exchanges between Mr. Foley and a White House Page. If it is true they were aware then they need a shovel to dig themselves out of this one because they are in it deep. I say let them roll in it like the pigs they are, but that's just my opinion.

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Where's Conservasaurus to
Posted by: meetmeineleusis on Oct 3, 2006 5:30 AM   
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Explain to us in thorough detail why Foley molesting young men is essential to winning the war on terror? And anyone who disagrees is a nazislamofascicommunist!

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richarshubert
Posted by: richarshubert on Oct 3, 2006 5:31 AM   
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anyone remember gingrich's contract on america that said if they default on it to vote them out?

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» RE: richarshubert..sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
WE still have the power to clean up this mess!
Posted by: keefus55 on Oct 3, 2006 5:33 AM   
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Obviously, the Republicans wanted to hang onto Congressman (now citizen) Foley’s Republican seat to push Mr. Bush’s political agenda through the Congress.

But, the Democrats most likely ALSO knew about Congressman Foley’s pedophilic tendencies, too. And, my guess is they wanted him to stay right there until just before the election so they’d have something to crow about down in his district before his (former) constituents went to the polls to cast their votes. If this isn’t yet another example of the entrenched, systemic, “good ‘ol’ boy” corruption (on BOTH sides of the aisle) in our US Congress, I don’t know what is!

Certainly, every elective legislative body attracts its share of neer-do-wells. But, in a Congress of only 535 legislators, it seems that the crooks and perverts are now making up an ever more disproportionate share of the whole. What’s more, when illegal activities are publicly exposed, it also seems the rest of their “esteemed colleagues” in the Congress now spend FAR too much time “circling the wagons” to PROTECT the rearward facing anatomies of these bums rather than booting each of their sorry rear ends out the door and back to where they came from.

Could it be that EVERYONE’S individual behavior in the US Congress has now become so shameful and corrupt that nobody there dares “rock the boat” by ratting on another “esteemed colleague” for fear of them “ratting” in return?

Fortunately, WE still have the power to clean up this mess. It’s called a write-in. Use it!

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Disturbing
Posted by: EnigmasMatrix on Oct 3, 2006 5:35 AM   
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It's disturbing when things like this are happening within the Government. With social services being in the hot seat all over the nation, it is issues like this that let others think that they do not have to abide by laws or rules.

Children are left in abuse and are being abused by those who are supposed to protect them, this includes the Gov't.

It's so disturbing. You can't trust anyone anymore.
Hugs, Jen.

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Unbelievable
Posted by: HeroesAll on Oct 3, 2006 5:52 AM   
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The icing on the irony cake is that he was chair of the Missing and Exploited Children's Caucus. How could Hastert not have asked him to resign from that when he learned of this stuff? That's more irony than anyone should be asked to stomach.

Interesting that this seems to be making more of a stir than the torture bill (although I can't say for certain, not being in the country). You'd think that, serious as this issue is, wholesale government approval of arbitrary imprisonment, torture, murder, and repudiation of the Geneva Conventions might provoke a little general outrage. I mean, this involves the actions of one man and the connivance of several, and as far as I know no-one's actually died of it yet. But outright governmental sanctioning of the same methods that made Saddam Hussein a hissing byword for evil is fine, apparently. Not a cause for concern. At least according to The Base.

Which yes, does make me wonder where Conservasaurus is, and why he's not claiming this is necessary to stop terrah. Well done to whoever spotted that.

But I do wonder what the outrage meter would have shown if the pages had been teenage girls, instead of boys. Would there have been any outrage at all?

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» RE: Unbelievable..Not unless..sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
» RE: Unbelievable Posted by: Metesh-ah
The Republicans will take advantage of this....
Posted by: mrcentrist on Oct 3, 2006 5:54 AM   
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....by saying something like "Democrat liberals and their sick allies in NAMBLA enticed a good Christian man -- Senator Foley -- to commit these abominations. Does the filth of the liberals know no depths? This is why all decent Americans MUST vote Republican in November."

Just wait and see.

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» NAMBLA? Posted by: 4sense
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REP. REYNOLDS LOOKED DRUNK AT HIS PRESS CONFERENCE
Posted by: dmstern on Oct 3, 2006 5:57 AM   
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Did anybody else see Reynold's press conference on C-SPAN last night? Admittedly, I've never watched Tom Reynolds speak before, so maybe it is just how he talks. But I swear he sounded like he had a few martinis before taking the podium to answer questions. Chugging water and slurry, if so, just more stellar behavior from the party of family values.

Who in god's name are these cretins!

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» so does the President Posted by: edith
Here is a copy of an email I just sent my Gov., Jeb Bush
Posted by: John Walters on Oct 3, 2006 5:58 AM   
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Dear Governor Bush,

There is no doubt that there is terrible fallout underway regarding former State Rep. Mark Foley. However, it should be very clear in both a professional and ethical sense that there is absolutely no excuse for any member of Congress to defend Mr. Foleys sending of overly-friendly email. Even to call it such is to overlook and misrepresent the true intentions of Mr. Foley messages.

This is what I find most appalling: White House Press Secretary Tony Snow referred to the sexual and graphic emails sent by former Rep. Mark Foley to several teenage pages as "simply naughty e-mails."

This is a totally callous remark on Mr. Snow’s behalf. Mr. Snow is in essence defending all pedophiles who pray on young children and teenagers by saying such. We deserve a much better explanation and Mr. Foley deserves much more than a slap on the wrist, as Mr. Snow’s “simply naughty” punishment would entail. A more appropriate statement for Mr. Snow to make would be to call this an egregious breech of public trust.

Governor Bush, where you aware of what was happening in your own State Department?

My deepest sympathies,

(I put my name here)

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Religious Right reaction
Posted by: genxerky on Oct 3, 2006 6:12 AM   
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this is from the Family Research Council this morning:

Pro-Homosexual Political Correctness Sowed Seeds for Foley Scandal

Democrats seeking to exploit the resignation of Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL) are right to criticize the slow response of Republican congressional leaders to his communications with male pages. But neither party seems likely to address the real issue, which is the link between homosexuality and child sexual abuse. Foley, an unmarried 52-year-old representative, had always refused to answer questions about his sexual orientation. Now that his emails and messages to teenage male pages have been revealed, it appears clear that Foley is a homosexual with a particular attraction to underage boys. While pro-homosexual activists like to claim that pedophilia is a completely distinct orientation from homosexuality, evidence shows a disproportionate overlap between the two. Although almost all child molesters are male and less than 3% of men are homosexual, about a third of all child sex abuse cases involve men molesting boys--and in one study, 86% of such men identified themselves as homosexual or bisexual. Ignoring this reality got the Catholic Church into trouble over abusive priests, and now it is doing the same to the House GOP leadership. They discounted or downplayed earlier reports concerning Foley's behavior--probably because they did not want to appear "homophobic." The Foley scandal shows what happens when political correctness is put ahead of protecting children.

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=WU06J01

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Your missing the big picture
Posted by: curious George on Oct 3, 2006 6:15 AM   
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Look, What happened here is discusting at the least. No matter what else happened Foley never got past "talk"
now he is outed and not in public service anymore.
So my main point is that it seems that we as a country have forgotten. We have active members of congress who have
had ties to a page Still in office?? Ran a Brothel out of his own home. Still in office?? "I didn't inhale" served 8 years.
"We as a country, rep & dem. need to clean our house
every time we identify these problems. they need to be removed, we need to insist that they be removed or next election there will be payback from the voters.
I know rep and dem have their differences but this should be one issue we come together on and stand firm. Zero tolerance from us and any leader in congress
will be too scared to cover for anyone.

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» stop it Posted by: Metesh-ah
I'll bet he finds Jesus while in rehab...
Posted by: brunowe on Oct 3, 2006 7:00 AM   
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...and then ends up doing some local evangelical show in Florida.

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» RE: Chuck Colson, yes Posted by: cold2touch
Just The Latest
Posted by: NoPCZone on Oct 3, 2006 7:15 AM   
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This is just one of the latest examples of a dysfunctional, out of control government comprised of cronies and crooks. If you wrote a book in 1999-Y2K as fiction that detailed all the NeoCons/Bush Crime Family has done, it would be laughed at as unrealistic and highly improbable. The sad thing is that it's all true.

These morons came to power spouting the arrogant phrase that 'now the grownups would be running things'. If this is government by grownups, I'll take one run by the kids any day. They have literally effed up every thing they have touched.

Lurking NeoCon wannabes, spare me the Rove & Luntz Talking Points of the Day. I cut my political teeth in the G.O.P. and if Dbya, Frist and Hastert are Conservatives, the sun ill be rising in the west tomorrow morning. These people are fascists- by definition, intent and action. Spare me the NeoCon Flying Monkey Echo Chamber.

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Don't ask, don't tell
Posted by: robchapman on Oct 3, 2006 7:26 AM   
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In explaining his ignorance of Florida Congressman Mark Foley's history as a sexual predator, Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert claims that he may have been distracted from a report on Foley's sexual predation by other priorities.

The GOP is running ads nationally ballyhooing their proposal for a national registry of sexual predators, yet the leadership was unable to prioritize investigation of sexual predator.

Mark Foley is prominent solely as the GOP spokesman on pedophilism. This role derives from his chairmanship of the Congressional Missing and Exploited Children's Caucus.

The GOP has nationalized and prioritized pedophilism as a national issue. It is fair to discuss their appointment of a sexual predator as their spokesman on the issue.

Allowing a sexual predator to operate in Congress is bad enough, but the GOP went beyond this and elevated him to its leadership role on pedophilia.

There must be consequences for the GOP leadership's inability to properly vet and screen its own spokesmen.

Robert Chapman
Lansing, NY

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» RE: Don't ask, don't tell Posted by: djisabella
» RE: Don't ask, don't tell..Boy..sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
focus on the family
Posted by: rickcreswell@yahoo.com on Oct 3, 2006 7:53 AM   
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Time for an email campain about this to Dobson and the old Moral Majority.

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let's not get carried away
Posted by: cold2touch on Oct 3, 2006 7:56 AM   
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This is may be the silver bullet that slays the GOP beast.
Unfortunately, Dem beast will take its place: Kerry, Clinton, Feinstein, Biden, Pelosi, ...
It is only slightly weaker, less bloated with corruption but probably intent to rectify that imbalance at the first opportunity.
Think of all the Dem vampires baying for Muslim blood, who accuse Bush of being "soft on terror", do you really want them wielding the power?
The time has come for Americans to reclaim their country, by insisting that their elected leaders owe no allegiance to coprporations, churches or foreign governments, that such alliances be expressly forbidden and punishable by severest of penalties.
The campaign financing must be overhauled, Patriot Act thrown out, citizens should have full and unfettered access to government documentation (the hell with National Security, 99% of all the damage to this nation was caused by insiders, not outsiders), every single act or ruling ever signed into force by GW Bush must be struck down, because he never made a single step that did not lead in the direction of evil empire.

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» RE: let's not get carried away Posted by: theracerace
» RE: let's not get carried away Posted by: grammasanity
CONSPIRACY OF SILENCE!!!
Posted by: lively56 on Oct 3, 2006 7:59 AM   
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Just within the last month I happened to come across a documentary called Conspiracy of Silence. It is about a man from Omaha, NE who was pimping out children that lived in a children's home there called Boystown. Here is the kicker, he

was pimping them out to members of Congress. The lead-in to the documentary says, on Tuesday May 3rd 1994 this program was scheduled to air on the Discovery Channel.
Influential members of Congress applied pressure to the cable industry to stop the airing of the program, and destroy all copies.
It was already listed nationwide in the Apr. 30th-May 5th edition of TV Guide and Newspaper Supplements.
The Discovery Channel and Yorkshire Television were reimbersed for 1/4 to 1/2 million dollars production costs.

The pimp's name is Lawrence King.

I knew there was some reason why I should latch on to that documentary. According to some of the children that were interviewed, there were some pretty sadistic things done to them. So I think it's safe to say that morality rings pretty hollow in the halls of Congress these days. All I can say is, it's a sad day in history for this country, when some of the most powerful men in this country are allowed to prey on the most vulnerable of our society. I think it's about time to destroy the snake pit that has been allowed to fester itself in Congress.

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» RE: CONSPIRACY OF SILENCE!!! Posted by: albrechtkrausse
» Google Videos has it Posted by: YinRising
re: gay does not equal pedophile
Posted by: sunnyday on Oct 3, 2006 7:59 AM   
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He quoted folks as mislabeling gays as pedophiles, but also said the GOP knew Foley was gay. Nowhere did he say that gays are pedophiles.

Unfortunately, this is how the conservative Christian Right views things. I was raised amidst their ranks, and gays were always the 'bogeymen, those dreadful child molesters'. Of course, they completely ignored the child molestation happening in their ranks by adult males on underage females.
The actual statistics say something like 98% of pedophiles are straight men who attack little girls, and even the men who go after boys tend to be straight in their adult encounters.

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Dimwits
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Oct 3, 2006 8:08 AM   
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I admit this is awfully funny coming from the party of the anti-gay movement... but still this is the kind of thing that destroys the public's faith in all politicians. It's how we lose in the long run.

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not so quick......
Posted by: Farmertim on Oct 3, 2006 8:09 AM   
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Anybody who has had close and personal relationship with an ultra-conservative christian person will have been told if not several times the cover ups that happen in the conservative churches they attend.
Cover ups of the very nature we are seeing played out in the House, and of insest and rape that have gone on for years that have become common place.
Its all about the "presentation' of the Christian Ideal..not so much in its application.
It wouldn't suprise me with the Democrates lack of direction this too will fade and become a forgotten incident.
Foley will repent, and all is well...for a few weeks anyway till knowone is looking.

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» RE: not so quick...... Posted by: outsidea
Who will the Christian Right vote for instead?
Posted by: davelwhite on Oct 3, 2006 8:45 AM   
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Saying that the Christian conservatives will back away from the Republicans over this, well, it would be nice if they would, of course, but it's sort of like saying that left-wing Democrats will stay home if all the Democratic candidates support the war.

In practice, all sorts of left-wing organizations that correctly note that the war is immoral murder on a vast scale, have traditionally ended up still working on the campaigns of people like Hillary Clinton-- although this year this attitude is finally starting to shift with people saying they won't vote for anybody who supports the war, regardless of party. The whole "lesser of two evils" thing has predominated for years though.

In the Christian Right I imagine it is similar-- they will be really angry, just like we were about Clinton's triangulation and the prowar contingent of Democratic candidates, but when push comes to shove, they're not suddenly going to change their votes, which would require having a conversion and understanding the difference between consensual gay relationships between adults and the sexual harrassment perpetrated by Foley. After all, voting democratic generally means voting FOR acceptance of gay people, which they equate incorrectly with acceptance of pedophiles! As long as they think that every gay person is really a pedophile, they will think of the Republicans as the lesser evil with Only A Few Bad Apples and the Democrats as worse.

MODERATES, on the other hand, who already question the Republicans on a number of issues (say, the war!), may make that distinction and be sufficiently interested in avoiding repressed sex-criminals to vote for us. So we could pick up some votes from them.

dave

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» Turnout Posted by: Joshua Holland
Who is the silence protecting?
Posted by: Gravitas on Oct 3, 2006 8:47 AM   
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As much as I love to see the Republicans get theirs, this is not just about partisanship. Creeps saturate high places. This scandal is nothing compared to all the secrets so many "respectable" people in authority and positions of trust are keeping. Especially in places like California. A society simply can not be healthy with the layers and layers of lies that exist now. When is ALL the truth going to come out??? Maybe the only hope for our children and planet is if everything is exposed. Really, who is the silence protecting????

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Christian Political Leadership, Hypocrisy, Duplicity, and Purposeful Evil
Posted by: SevenStarHand on Oct 3, 2006 8:59 AM   
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The current scandal involving Congressman Foley is merely the latest in an amazingly long list of blatant deception and duplicity by Republicans and the Christian right in recent years. While bedeviling us all with their holier-than-thou pretenses, they consistently support and/or perform blatant greed and abominable evil. Never forget the extent of their arrogance over the last two decades and especially the last 6 years. It is beyond amazing that Christians continue to blindly support such obviously blatant scoundrels, even as they are repeatedly exposed going against the most basic of human values. The level of hypocrisy and duplicity boggles the mind. There is no longer any doubt, whatsoever, that Christianity is little more than a purposeful deception used by political and religious leaders to dupe, manipulate, and coerce entire populations into giving them wealth and power, with which they always use for greed, injustice, and abominable evils.

The actions of Foley and those who covered up for him directly parallel the actions of scores of priests that have raped innocent children, preyed upon others for centuries, and had their actions hidden and abetted by the Vatican. Now, in eerie repetition of Vatican history, we have a power hungry Christian Emperor working closely with the Vatican and Judeo-Christian aristocrats to lead crusades in the so-called Holy Land. Furthermore, to leave little doubt about the reality of this assessment, the USA, as the new Holy Roman Empire, is about to legalize the torture it has perpetrated in recent years while steadily reversing many of the democratic and civil freedoms that people gained when the Vatican and royalty lost control of their European-empire at the turn of the nineteenth century. Now we see them following the same old path of evil as they strive to cement the status of the USA as the latest proxy Vatican empire. Make no mistake about, the new dark ages are looming on the horizon unless we do something proactive to prevent it.

Remember that those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

These scum and their ilk have consistently proven that gaining and maintaining power, at any cost, is much more important to them than anything they publicly pronounce. They have so little true concern for the well being of others that they will say or do anything to take advantage of millions upon millions just to line their own grubby pockets and maintain power. This proves, to anyone with eyes to see, that they couldn't care less about everyone else as long as they get their hands on wealth and power, even if it means pretending to serve the Creator. It is long past time that people stand up for truth and justice and give these scoundrels their due. This is a direct challenge to Christians to open your eyes and finally understand that you have been duped about the true purpose and nature of Christianity and the deceptive leaders you have blindly followed. How much evil must be done in your names before it finally dawns on you that you have been fooled by the very scoundrels you thought you were and/or would be opposing?

I know that many have chosen to write me off as some sort of a quack over the last three years. Now that this country and world have sunk to new lows and many of the things I've warned about have occurred, perhaps fewer will be so quick to scoff at things they don't understand. Neither religious followers nor secularists have been 100% correct and most have been dead wrong about much. Perhaps now more will seek true wisdom and cooperate for the good of all before the Bush-Cheney-Vatican cabal revives the dark ages and puts you all in theological torture camps.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good [people] do nothing."

Here is Wisdom...

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it's right in line...
Posted by: srwoods on Oct 3, 2006 9:06 AM   
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Let's see, oil companies dictating the energy policies, industry writing pollution laws, pharmaceutical companies getting Medicare overhauled, it seems to follow that a pedophile should be in charge of the committee that oversees missing and exploited children...
Isn't that the neocon logic? LMAO

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Sanity about sex
Posted by: Epicurienne on Oct 3, 2006 9:41 AM   
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If conservatism and religion allowed people to have a satisfying sex life with other consenting adults, then the right-wing wouldn't have so many sex scandals.

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» RE: Sanity about sex Posted by: GK
Sweet Justice
Posted by: texana on Oct 3, 2006 10:24 AM   
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Wouldn't it be nice if we could put Bush and his Staff, along with all the Capital Hill bunch oh the top floor of a tall building...and fly an airplane into it?

Sigh.

texana

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» RE: Sweet Justice..sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
War Dead vs. Foley Luridness
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Oct 3, 2006 10:31 AM   
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I am not condoning Foley's behavior with this post, but isn't it amazing that it takes a sex scandal to finally burst open this overripe party (eg, the Rethuglican Party)?

There are thousands of war dead in Iraq, thousands of maimed soldiers have come home, the debt is insanely huge, the economy is tanking due to the burst housing bubble (which was the ONLY thing keeping it going recently), and it takes an IM chat log to bring their house of cards down.

It's simply amazing that really really really important things like the lack of a moral center with respect to our place in the world didn't do it. Continuous lies out of the WH about what is happening in Iraq still hasn't done it. Obfuscation and secrecy, and spying on our own citizens hasn't done it. But an IM chat log did it. Prisoners in Gitmo and in secret prisons around the world didn't do it. Condi's lying about what she knew and when she knew it hasn't done it. The fact that Rumsfeld is clearly not cut out for his position, the fact that Colin Powell lied in front of the UN about anthrax didn't do it. But an IM chat log did it.

It's simply amazing what has happened to this country. We're totally broken. A sex scandal has split them apart. Sex. The world's most natural organic process did it. Not important things.

Good God, why did it have to be a gay Congressman. Since the vast majority of the perps in these types of cases are hets it should have been one of them. But no. It had to be a minority.

Still, why is it that important things go completely unnoticed by this country? How could it have been going on for so long?

I think I know the answer. The USA is no longer a 1st world country. We're on our way out the door. Into the dustbin of history. Just like England before us. Just like Spain, France, Portugal and the Netherlands before that. We're finished.

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» RE: War Dead vs. Foley Luridness Posted by: susankuhner
» RE: War Dead vs. Foley Luridness Posted by: Conservasaurus
The Saddest Part
Posted by: kk33deg on Oct 3, 2006 10:35 AM   
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The NeoCons' stranglehold on at the legislative branch of the Federal Government may well be broken by former Rep. Mark Foley's sexual indiscretions. Yet the War in Iraq, the Katrina tragedy, the gutting of the Bill of Rights, the shredding of the Geneva Conventions, the tortures committed at black sites across the globe, the irreparable damage to the environment, the attempt to dismantle the last vestiges New Deal and all the other transgressions committed by these same people didn't seem to hurt them much. That is tragic and pathetic on so many levels. It is brutal indictment of the opposition party, which has been too timid to fight back, the mainstream media, which is servile to the NeoCons, and, most of all, the citizenry, which is too brainwashed and apathetic to say enough is enough until a 52-year old creep in a position of power gets caught trying to seduce 16- and 17-year old boys by email and text messages. Pathetic on so very many levels.

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"Christians"
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Oct 3, 2006 10:47 AM   
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The so-called Christian 'community' has had approximately 1700 years (not 2000 as some claim - and they claim that because they're idiots) to get it right.

They slaughtered tens of thousands of people in Europe to Christianize that continent.

They slaughtered or caused the deaths of tens of thousands in the New World when they came here looking for gold to take back to Christian Europe.

They're the dominant religion in the US.

But they still can't get it right.

Why? Because they're liars. You see, if they had a god that was loving and good and just, they would be proving it by being loving and good and just. It simply follows that if they followed a loving and good and just god, they too would be like that - emulating such a loving and good and just god.

But they're not and they can't because their god doesn't exist.

It's simple simple simple. They are in the Halls of Power now. They could easily prove their good intentions. But they can't because they DON'T HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS. If they did, they would easily prove it.

Each and every religious spokesperson who has heard of the Foley scandal now is using it to perpetuate the myth that gay people are predators. Thus proving that they are liars. The facts remain that their religion is false and they prove it each and every day by spewing lies about sex, lies about their religion (eg, the origin and nature of it, for sure), and lies about how our culture is better off with their 'leadership'. Well, you're the leaders. Foley even wanted to be a priest. Christian leaders are proving their love of lies each and every day now by falsely equating things that don't even belong in the same sentence.

Indeed, Christians are overwhelmingly Republican, too. To prove how deeply Christian lies are I will now present the PERP LIST. This is a list of Christian Republicans who are in love with the exact opposite of what they preach and tell others.

This list is comprehensive, long and is getting longer by the day. This list proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Christians who sit in the Halls of Power are abject liars, are a cancer on our culture, and do not belong in a civilized world:

Family Values – Morality and Republicans


Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.

Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.

Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
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Oops, this list is 19 pages long. It won't fit into the comment box. But rest assured it contains HUNDREDS of names of recently arrested 'good' Christians who love little girls and little boys.

Sheesh.

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» RE: "Christians" Posted by: susankuhner
» RE: "Christians" Posted by: babs
» RE: "Christians" Posted by: incog99
Clinton slept with a woman, and look at what that got him.
Posted by: rollo on Oct 3, 2006 11:43 AM   
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GOP deserves to be ripped to shreds by the Christian weasels who supported them.

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Susan Kuhner, Ph. D.
Posted by: susankuhner on Oct 3, 2006 12:04 PM   
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I,too, am distressed to read pedophile=gay in this article. I thought that after the mess with pedophilia and the Catholic church, people were more well informed. Loving people of the same gender is just as normal a feeling for gay people as loving someone of the opposite gender is for straights. When it comes to sexual attractions to children, age trumps gender. People with such an inclination are best described as pedophiles, not as hetero or homosexual. We all have our morals. None of these three groups has chosen to be the way they are. Pedophilia is a tragic sexual deviation which is extremely difficult to change. Unfortunately, the advertising industry is preping straight males to have attractions to young females- like playing with Barbie dolls young. And the clothing industry wants little girls to dress like sexy models. Beware of the mainstream and its slippery slope. Minorities who suffer discrimination are our world's best watchdogs and know the differences between breeds.

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» Susan Kuhner, Ph.D. Posted by: fifthworld
» The commodification of youth Posted by: vangogh69
Gay is OK; sexual predation is not
Posted by: jmoore on Oct 3, 2006 12:05 PM   
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I don't care if Foley is gay. I don't care if any politician is gay as long as s/he is doing his/her job to represent his/her district fairly and uphold the Constitution.

I object to cronyist glossing-over and cover-ups of wrongdoing, especially sexual predation of children and teens. This applies to Republicans and Democrats alike. It's just sick and wrong.

Frankly, if Bush is committed to retaining gay people in high office, if they are competent, against the wishes of his base, that is a rare point in his favor. However, ignoring the misdeeds of elected officials because the party needs the majority is just criminal.

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Beware Of False Statistics From The Religious Right
Posted by: thirdmg on Oct 3, 2006 12:11 PM   
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In response to the Foley scandal, the Family Research Council today tried to link gay men with pedophiles by citing the following "statistics" on its web site:

"While pro-homosexual activists like to claim that pedophilia is a completely distinct orientation from homosexuality, evidence shows a disproportionate overlap between the two. Although almost all child molesters are male and less than 3% of men are homosexual, about a third of all child sex abuse cases involve men molesting boys--and in one study, 86% of such men identified themselves as homosexual or bisexual."

If these "statistics" sound suspect and contradictory to the findings of reputable studies, it's because they are. Here are two articles from the Southern Poverty Law Center exposing where the religious right gets its false statistics about gays:

The Fabulist "Anti-gay researcher Paul Cameron's falsehoods are well known. The incredible thing is the people who still cite them."

Garbage In, Garbage Out "As a scientist, Paul Cameron is a disgrace. Under his chairmanship, the Family Research Institute, a Colorado Springs, Colo., gay-bashing propaganda mill, has churned out reams of pseudo-scientific 'studies' purporting to prove that gays and lesbians are more prone than heterosexuals to commit murder, die young and molest children, among many other dubious findings."

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Tea party
Posted by: cinattra on Oct 3, 2006 1:09 PM   
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Does anyone know if there has been a formal apology to the page? I'm pretty sure there hasn't been because that would admit wrong doing on Foley's part. The spin-meisters are hard at work and an admittance of guilt would destabilize everything.

Have the parents of the page been interviewed or given a statement? Usually when something really bad happens they are on the Today show the next day.

The corruption is as deep as I imagined it to be (yeah it is probably worse). It is definitely time for a new tea party so we the people can take back our republic. I don't want to go the way of Rome. We have a good thing going and it is not too late yet.

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Nothing Will Happen to GOP
Posted by: mstenger on Oct 3, 2006 1:27 PM   
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Just like all the other scandals perpetrated by the repukes, nothing will come of this. The Krazy Kristian Kult will chalk it up to homosexuals and political correctness--like Tony Perkins did--and not blame a thing on repukes.

Watch the news--they will say this is a problem for Congress in general and not just the repukes because Barney Frank screwed a male page (although he was of legal age).

The only ones to lose will be us homos--as usual.

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» RE: Nothing Will Happen to GOP Posted by: morticia
Another Symptom of Absolute Corruption
Posted by: LeftWright on Oct 3, 2006 1:59 PM   
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The case of Mr. Foley is just another symptom of the absolute corruption now destroying our country.

Now, a few points on this specific matter:

1) The pages are post-puberty, so this is not pedophilia.

2) However, it does appear to be unwanted sexual harrassment.

3) Mr. Foley is a human being and thus, imperfect and irrational. (Put those stones down, folks)

4) Any truly caring Christian with knowledge of this would've assisted Mr. Foley in getting the help he clearly needed.

The plutocracy and the political elites who represent them, Democrat and Republican, are completely corrupt and need to be removed from power.

We must take back our country and restore our democracy. The national protests on October 5th (Thursday) are a good step in this direction.

Go to www.worldcantwait.net for details.

The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.

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What a wasted opportunity
Posted by: IanA on Oct 3, 2006 2:04 PM   
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Here you have young "pages" (love that title) interested in working and learning in the halls of power. And this important compromise-able big wig with 3 million $ campaign chest sending instant messages proposing fellatio.

These young people are supposed to be interested in politics and want to become tomorrows movers and shakers (excuse the illusion), and it seems that not one of them thought, if he played this right he could bring down the entire government or keep it in place. Now how much is that worth? That is power!

And you don't reckon that 15 and 16 year olds can figure that one out these days with a little help from their friends. Take it little bit further, perhaps a meeting, and a couple of good photos, or a hidden video, even better. Couldn’t that have been worth a major war or long term government contract at least!

What I really don't get is that you espouse so much sympathy for your fallen brave but you have not even thought that most of the 50,000 or more dead Iraqi children in the main killed by US bombs, would have submitted to various indiscrete acts by a bent senator or a perverted congressman rather than being killed by the bombs they authorized. But they were not given the choice. Think about those priorities. One kid and a video of a criminal act might have been enough to save 50,000 kids now dead. Now we’re talking heroes!

It does not really bother me if you find my imagination or this comment in bad taste, as long as it makes you think of how unbalanced the righteousness is of a country that will turn their establishment up-side-down for a provocative e-mail from a sick fart with power, but at the same time pass laws to suspend habeas corpus, condone torture and re-interpret the Geneva Convention, after having allowed the deaths of hundreds of thousands of children for years under illegal sanctions and then bomb the rest killing at least 50,000 thereafter in Iraq. And some can only think poor little page boys, and that this guy Foley is sick. Sorry but in my book if you don’t realise how pathetic this is, then something in your country is far sicker.

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» I Have Nothing to Counter This With! Posted by: Againstthewindwalking
» Assuming he is American... Posted by: Aussie Kim
» You're right Kim... Posted by: vangogh69
When You Are A Dictator You Can Do Anything Including Murder!
Posted by: hot_rad_man on Oct 3, 2006 2:21 PM   
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Nothing will happen. All the pundits are up in arms in the piggy press and think this is the straw that broke the camel's back, wrong! Bush and his scoundrels are so entrenched nothing can stop them. Think of all he has murdered to date beginning with 9/11 and now the Iraq war and he is free and everybody shivers in his shadow. He rules, admit it and nothing short of a violent revolution will unseat his ass! Won't happen in this nation of sheep, largest herd you know.

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Get Foley but remain focused
Posted by: Reader11722 on Oct 3, 2006 3:00 PM   
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Foley is a distraction. Investigate this sicko and take down everyone with him but let's keep focused. As the Foley event unraveled, everyone forgets that we just lost Habeas Corpus a mere 3 days ago. Anyone, I repeat ANYONE can be an 'unlawful enemy combatant', no right to attorney, judges or even a hearing. Add it to the list of curbed rights like caging protestors, conducting warrantless wire-taps, banning books like "America Deceived" from Amazon, stealing private lands and starting 2 illegal wars based on lies. Get the scumbags involved in this Foley mess (bet they ALL voted for Iraq war and Patriot Act), and let's get back to focusing on losing our Constitution.
Final link (before Google Books caves and drops the title):
America Deceived (Book)

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The Real Problem
Posted by: edith on Oct 3, 2006 4:23 PM   
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A huge government that requires a full time Congress with thousands of bureaucrats and staffers who make higher salaries than counterparts in the executive branch, opportunities to shchmooze w/lobbyists and make contacts to gain million dollar plus jobs after a few years on the Hill. Sex is rampant between members, staffers, and lobbyists and staffers. Most of what the Federal govt does was never contemplated by our Constitution. Thanks to Presidents like Lincoln (a great man with little use for the Constitution), Teddy Roosevelt, Wilson, FDR Truman, Johnson, Nixon, Reagan and George W. Bush, the federal govt has become a parasitic monster that invades everyone's paycheck and privacy while doling out welfare to a military/intelligence complex and the health care industry. Dismantle most of the Federal govt and make Congress an unpaid position, meeting for three or four months a year. Give these bozos vouchers for the Comfort Inn and a 30 dollar a day food allowance good at restaurants or at supermarkets.

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» RE: The Real Problem Posted by: LeslieGem
tony
Posted by: aclouse on Oct 3, 2006 5:47 PM   
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It is not that the GOP has a homosexual, but a homosexual pedophile predator!

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» That's good! Posted by: fifthworld
Forget Foley And Close Down K Street
Posted by: rtdrury on Oct 3, 2006 6:08 PM   
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I content that every left-wing protest is little more than self-indulgent theater until the left throws all the side issues in the garbage, organizes itself, and starts carrying out the people's policy, first by marching on and closing down K Street.

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» Yes, thank you... Posted by: fifthworld
Amazing, all this passion
Posted by: fifthworld on Oct 3, 2006 7:04 PM   
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Now let's amass it on a broader front and direct it to something lastingly important -- like overthrowing this Empire. THEN I'll believe we're committed to justice, that this moral virulence is something sincere in our natures.

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» Yes. Posted by: 4sense
Hastert-Shimkus ... Laesch-Stover
Posted by: akdude6016 on Oct 3, 2006 8:15 PM   
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When discussing "Foleygate" .... everyone should always equate Hastert (IL-14) and Shimkus (IL-19). Shimkus needs to go down with Hastert! We can gain 2 Democratic Representatives from Illinois that a week ago were extreme longshots, but are now well within reach.
John Laesch, Hastert's opponent and
Danny Stover, Shimkus' opponent both need to be mentioned as well. Visit their websites! Contribute to their campaigns!
Spread their names! They are both strong and qualified candidates.

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Religious leaders themselves choose silence
Posted by: christa77 on Oct 3, 2006 8:16 PM   
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At last 18 Southern Baptist leaders in four states and at national headquarters were all informed about a substantiated report of a prominent minister's sexual abuse of a teen girl...and the man remained in ministry. It was sexual contact, not emails, and another SB minister swore an affidavit attesting to knowledge of the man's sexual contact with a minor...and the man remained in ministry. Where is the outrage for this? Where is the committee that will investigate all those who knew and did nothing? Where is there any process for accountability among Southern Baptists? www.stopbaptistpredators.org

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It's about predators, not gays
Posted by: christa77 on Oct 3, 2006 8:33 PM   
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I'm tired of people spewing ignorant hatred for gays by equating them with pedophiles. Pedophiles are predators, not gays. Predators seek easy prey. Period. I was sexually abused as a teen girl by a Southern Baptist minister. According to the religious right's gay-bashing style of reasoning, if I was going to hate pedophile perpetrators, from my experience I guess I'd have to hate all heterosexual men. Doesn't make much sense, does it? See www.stopbaptistpredators.org.

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Don't take your Eyes off the Ball People
Posted by: tanstaafl28 on Oct 3, 2006 9:43 PM   
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First of all, the whole gay/pedophile misnomer will obviously get some unnecessary reinforcement from the fallout, and it is very likely that Hastert will have to step down, but amidst all the good news of power-mad GOP's in Congress, we must remember that far worse has gone on and it's barely made a ripple among the staunch loyalists, who will sell their own grandmothers to the devil in order to keep believing in the "righteousness" of their cause.

What it comes down to is whether or not your loyalties are to We The People of The United States of America, or to a political party based upon greed, lust for power, and money. The latter brings out the worst in people, just as Rep. Foley has clearly demonstrated. These people have gotten so used to having so much power for so long, that they have come to think of themselves as "untouchables." It is up to all of us as citizens of this nation, to set this right, and I harbor serious doubts as to whether or not we're up to the challenge.

This "distraction" comes at such an opportune moment, that it makes me question whether or not there is an ulterior motive involved (there are no coincidences in politics). This scandal may well be intended to give us a sense of false hope, or keep us from having a deeper debate on the really important issues affecting our nation that the GOP has neglected: the economy, jobs, the war in Iraq, "The War on Terror," the recently passed Torture Bill, and the continued willingness by our elected officials to overlook criminal behavior from within the White House. Dare I say that Rove probably loves this spectacle, because it keeps the focus away from the disastrous failures of our "Puppet-in-Chief," and those around him?

These guys are every bit as slick as they are smooth, if we're not careful, they'll find a way to "spin" this to their advantage. We must not allow ourselves to lose sight of this fact. We must be wary, we must be vigilant, or they could very easily steal yet another election out from under us.

Now is the time for us to put aside the petty single-issues and stand united against a common foe, a foe that has proven itself quite capable of changing the facts to fit their agenda, shuffling the issues to drive us apart, using fear to build support, and above all, suppressing the notion that there is an alternative to their point of view. Now is the time for us to act, before it is too late to save our great republic from the rising tide of right-wing fascism that threatens to engulf it.

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CIRCLE JERKO RAMA
Posted by: caru on Oct 4, 2006 1:07 AM   
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power pleasure power torture power

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Fuck this shit
Posted by: yoursfaithfully on Oct 4, 2006 6:53 AM   
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Where are the Alternet articles about GUN CONTROL? How many school shootings in one week does it take for liberals to GET OFF THEIR ASSES and strike out at the NRA?

Maybe it's just me, but I think dead kids are more problematic than 16 year old over-privileged young Republicans having mildly sexual conversations with former bosses. But hey, I also thought that a former Republican house leader lauding praise on a retiring colleague wasn't as *racist* as that same house leader's actual voting record, but look which caused him to step down.

Thanks Alternet for reminding us that what *really* matters is what people say, not what they do.

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» RE: Fuck this shit Posted by: Techubus
» RE: Fuck this shit Posted by: TheNamelessCity
» RE: Fuck this shit Posted by: tanstaafl28
» RE: Fuck this shit Posted by: yoursfaithfully
Foley and the rest of it...
Posted by: vangogh69 on Oct 4, 2006 10:32 AM   
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You know, there have been so many scandals coming out of the Bush Whitehouse, one can hardly keep up with all of them. From the stolen elections of 2000/2004 to 9/11 to Afghanistan/Iraq to NCLB to Marriage Amendments to a severe cutting of social services/infrastructure to Katrina to Plame/Etc. to Haiti/Venezuela to Lebanon to Foley, shit man, what's it gonna take to make people realize that Bush & Co. are not only crooks, but our government is in need of a fix.

Well, maybe it'll finally happen. Bombs couldn't do it. Hurricanes couldn't do it. Theiving couldn't do it. But SEX just might do it! It's indeed a sad testament to the degradation of politics in this country that some sex scandal is the thing which wakes people up, but such is the backward, puritanicalness of the US! Well, one can hope at least...this time the repiglicans may have stumbled into more shit than they can "shake off."

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AND!
Posted by: ccnygal13 on Oct 4, 2006 11:50 AM   
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Jeez, like it's not known that the church likes to touch boys too!

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Spin Doctors
Posted by: BooRadley222 on Oct 4, 2006 12:23 PM   
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I’ve been watching, with great interest, the Republican spin doctors work with the truth of the Mark Foley. Which is interesting because the IM’s speak for themselves. So, it’s obvious this was Bill Clinton’s fault. Actually, the only real response, from Foley himself, was that he was molested by a Priest, and we all know Catholic Priests are created like vampires. One suck leading to another. Of course the first question you need to ask in a situation like this is, ‘How long has Foley wanted to be a Catholic priest?’
In the end it doesn’t really matter how or why Foley did what he did. Watching the Republican party downplay a pedophile is worth the price of a Page Brothel. (Something I think should be included in next years budget.) The best the Republican spin doctors have been able to come up with is trying to make Foley analogous with whitewashing the Lewinsky dress. Although, there appears to be a flaw with this analogy. Clinton wasn’t gay while trying to take away civil liberties from homosexuals. Oh yeah, he also wasn’t getting 16 year old’s drunk and then sexing them down.
So I have a note for the Republican spin doctors: Go back to the “no child left behind,” slogan. (or was it ‘no child behind left”?) I know that doesn’t help, but I don’t much feel like helping you plaster over your morally superior high ground. Remember, God is a Republican, so the only way to put a positive spin on this if for you to all start fucking children. My mistake. Been there and done that. What is the national debt up to?
Through this entire debacle (for God sakes, no one call it “Foley-gate”) a very famous and very dirty joke comes to mind. So what does the Republican party call themselves now? The Aristocrats!

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» pedophile??? Posted by: CatDad
And I thought...
Posted by: Gma1 on Oct 4, 2006 3:05 PM   
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And I thought we had only one moron in this administration. Turns out we have a whole housefull! And...looks like they are ALL in denial!What a bunch! This isn't a government. What the h... would you call it!

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The Lone Ranger
Posted by: mikeshepherd@telus.net on Oct 4, 2006 4:30 PM   
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Please keep the info coming on the Republican liars, economic manipulators, oil thieves, machiavelian twisters, sexual predators, spin doctors, hucksters, and perverts who are the members of the Bush Hegemony. I am fighting a lone battle against the Right wing demagogues in my town in BC Canada. The extremists of the religious right are spewing forth their propagandist rhetoric and I need all the ammunition I can get. I do not decry religion as I am a practising believer, but the BS Brigade need attacking.

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Will it cost them the conservative Christian votes?-- NO
Posted by: chief of okeefe on Oct 4, 2006 5:39 PM   
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Because the "conservative Christians" that make up their base don't have enough real Christians to put in a bag. These people worship Power, not God.

Would someone who has truly surrendered his/her heart to Jesus knowingly support aggression and torture?

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from 1660 Dutch Book (Amish still read it)
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Oct 4, 2006 7:20 PM   
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Tyrants generally find a reason for their tyranny, in the orders which they have received from their superiors in authority; this is for them a wide cloak, which can cover much evil. In the meantime they vent their anger, yea, rejoice in their wickedness, while the unoffending and innocent have to suffer.

Now, if this would obtain only with the worldly, what would it matter, knowing that they are worldlyminded; but even the so-called ecclesiastics or clergy, who are credited with everything good, are guilty in this matter.

All this is briefly shown, in the beginning of the fifteenth book of the Chronijk van den Ondergang der Tyrannen, with these words, "In the year 1401 a decree was issued in England, against the confessors of the Gospel, or those who gave them assistance or showed them favor; in consequence of which much innocent blood was shed by the ecclesiastical prelates, priests, and monks of anti-

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Want Gossip, my friends, read "The Enquirer"
Posted by: NeoCogito on Oct 4, 2006 9:18 PM   
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We Can Prosecute Foley After! Elections
Keep focused my democratic brothers & sisters. We already forfeited a strong, majority! democratic party in the 90's and a radical republicanization of our whole democratic process while they kept us preoccupied with Monica. Anyone remember that? The democrats won't let up--they'd much rather do Foley. They need to knuckle-up and get our so-called candidates to face the ISSUES they've neglected since Bill Clinton. We won't get the democratic system back-- the one we used to have, until we overhaul the democratic party and, damn it!, get the chance to vote for a few DEMOCRATS

Clintonomics reduced our party to an adjunct Republican party and they still haven't quit misguiding the people with their faux "Unity" psy-op, the cynical betrayal that urges the public to relinquish any small options we MAY!! still have left. We need a TWO-PARTY system. One thing you gotta give Bill Clinton, he was a master strategist. Too bad he used his gifts against the people. We know the "booty" call he REALLY!! cares about.... it wasn't Monica.

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jas
Posted by: jas on Oct 5, 2006 9:40 AM   
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I think the most disgusting thing about this gay/pedophile/"internet sex" scandal is its pervasiveness across the Republican party. Not only are they the anti-gay party, they are the Christian, family values, morality, activist judges, God and Country and homeland security party! The hypocrisy is absolutely stunning! Worse, the leadership covers for their worst offenders and won't step up to the plate of responsibility. For the last 8 years, we've had to stand by and watch while Karl Rove, Grover Norquist, Ralph Reed, Tom Delay and Jack Abramoff seduce the Christian community (not to mention the Native American community) into actually believing that ONLY THEY can protect Christians' interests; not only have they failed to protect them but failed to pass legislation that they support (even while lobbying against them). I can't figure out why Richard Lamb, Jim Dobson, Robertson and Falwell aren't screaming blue-ass-murder after the absolute snubbing by their "moralist" brothers in Jesus. Tom Delay claims that "his followers will see Jesus in his mug shot." The guy needs analysis if he thinks for a moment that Jesus condones his behavior!!! Jesus loves the sinner, hates the sin. Let's keep reminding our Christian Conservative friends that the Republican party is not now, never has been, and never will be their friend. Peace.

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Not Surprised.
Posted by: Jnutter on Oct 5, 2006 10:54 AM   
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Is any of this really surprising?

We have already seen what Republicants are made of... none of this surprises me. Their past lies have cost the country trillions of dollars and thousands of lives... this whole foley affair is despicable but it ranks far behind so many other things these people have been up to as far as scandalousness goes.

Last week they undermined the entire basis of the legal system and pushed America right out of its first world status and into the dark ages as far as its legal system is concerned... I put absolutely nothing past these guys, they have no morals, they have no ethics, they care about nothing other than maintaining their stranglehold on power and using that power to fill their pockets with gold. Anything goes.

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Summary
Posted by: anothername on Oct 5, 2006 4:39 PM   
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It is interesting to see how the many different issues are spun, and even ignored.

1) The laws don't apply to me concept. (Foley)
2) The laws may apply to him, but I can prevent them from being applied. (Hastert)
3) I told them there was a problem, then thought my duty was done. (Aide)
4) There's a gay in the House! (Naive or self-serving public)
5) Save our children! (Emotional response; the outrage might be as great if it had been a 16 year old girl, but it would have been different people guest starring on talk shows and news interviews)
6) There is a movement to give 16 year olds the right to vote. Are we supposed to believe they are old enough to decide the needs of a nation but not old enough to balance their own future and immediate desires? (Unasked question)
7) A person of authority creates an unwelcoming work place (should be any person who is subject to such possible conditions in any workplace)

For me, the bottom line of this issue is abuse of power.

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nausea
Posted by: jane funk on Oct 5, 2006 11:36 PM   
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I weep for this country - that implementing a policy in support of inhumane treatment of prisoners, abandoning a 900 year precedent of habeas corpus, incompetently fighting an obscene and unnecessary war resulting in tens of thousands perhaps hundreds of thousands of deaths, and utter violation of the social contract in myriad other ways yields so little in the way of political consequence. Yet on the unsavory sexual pecadillos of one man, one pathetic alcoholic fraud, on this, finally, the witless media and the ovine electorate appears ready to take a strong, proud, moral stand, to express the strength of their "convictions". This is not cause for celebration. I find this utterly and profoundly revolting. I could just vomit.

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curious43
Posted by: curious43 on Oct 6, 2006 10:29 AM   
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Foley is a predator – Great, we had the church scandals – multiple predators, we had Reality TV 'To Catch a Predator' – multiple predators, so now we investigate Foley and those who knew and when but Where is the call to investigate the 'Hallowed Halls' and cloakrooms for other predators ? There are young women as well as young men at risk!

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moveon support
Posted by: mikmojo06 on Oct 6, 2006 10:31 AM   
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Joe Lieberman finds the attack on pages a partisan issue that needs spin control.

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off the subject...been cut off lately?
Posted by: grammasanity on Oct 6, 2006 10:56 AM   
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I've been cut off the internet three times this AM, after accessing and posting on Alternet. Anybody else having 'selective connection failure'?

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scott palmer
Posted by: p on Oct 8, 2006 12:01 AM   
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this young guyHastert's chief of staff, LIVES w/Hastert in DC & travels back & forth w/him. Is he gay? Is Hastert? hmmmm

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