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Republican Torture Laws Will Live in History

By Larisa Alexandrovna, AlterNet. Posted October 2, 2006.


The recent terror detainee laws passed by the Republican Congress will define the Bush era for centuries to come.

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If we learned anything from the Nuremberg trials it is that citizens are responsible for what their government does in their name. The right wing of Congress, which has shed any last vestige of being anything remotely conservative in substance or American in spirit, has, like a deranged peacock, proudly shown the world that it can and did "happen here." The passing of the pro-torture bill is a full handover of everything democratic into the arms of fascism.

Before Bush has even signed his pro-torture, anti-humanity bill into law, his legal framer and torture apologist Alberto Gonzales is already cautioning the judiciary:

"Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, who is defending President Bush's anti-terrorism tactics in multiple court battles, said Friday that federal judges should not substitute their personal views for the president's judgments in wartime."

Instead of continuing with this farce called checks and balances, why not simply declare the "It has happened here" amendment for the Congress to rubber stamp and the president to tack on to the Constitution as a preemptive measure against dictatorial power?

Something along the lines of:

Congress shall, immediately upon our inauguration, initiate amendments to the Constitution providing (a), that the President shall have the authority to institute and execute all necessary measures for the conduct of the government during this critical epoch; (b), that Congress shall serve only in an advisory capacity, calling to the attention of the President and his aides and Cabinet any needed legislation, but not acting upon same until authorized by the President so to act; and (c), that the Supreme Court shall immediately have removed from its jurisdiction the power to negate, by ruling them to be unconstitutional or by any other judicial action, any or all acts of the President, his duly appointed aides, or Congress.

Our founding fathers are spinning in their graves at the thought of how Bush -- the deranged man-child; Cheney -- the most criminally corrupt government official to have ever been put into office; and Rummy -- a war criminal even before the war in Iraq have together burned the Constitution while the nation watched "Survivor."

Quite simply put, if there were a moment's doubt that this nation was heading for a fascist takeover, then watching the United States Congress make legal that which in WWII the United States heroically fought to make immoral should be the final proof.

The expediency with which the fascists have taken apart democracy in America can only be ascribed to years of practice; from Nixon to Iran Contra, these madmen should have been imprisoned, not pardoned. But as they attacked and abused the nation anew and pushed the envelope further, they were always pardoned. Now what is there to stop this madness, after no one is left standing in the way of the criminal gang running the country like the Mafia?

So, while rushing to give unprecedented power to a man who has already abused the limited power that he had, the latest indignity is an international incident; and its victims are not only Iraqis, but every citizen of every nation being held or who will be held in detainment facilities across the globe, tortured, raped, and even murdered at the pleasure of a criminally insane executive and his henchmen, whom he bought or threatened into selling their souls.

The Last Nail by the Numbers:

Speaking in abstractions and using politically loaded terms like "terrorist" does this country little service and shields the truth from the hard facts of actual bodies.

I reported last November that since the start of U.S. aggressions in Afghanistan and Iraq, roughly 70 thousand men, women, and children had been detained and in many cases tortured. Of the 35,000 detained in Iraq, only 638, or roughly 2 percent, were ever tried for any crime. The rest were either quietly let go or died in custody.

A document leaked to me a year ago from sources with a conscience at U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) indicated that this total of 35,000 does not even represent the full count of people detained, nor does it address every single U.S. facility around the world or the additional extraordinary renditions we have engaged in.

Does anyone actually think that any Republican who voted for the pro-torture, pro-rape, pro-mutilation bill has actually looked at the numbers, or better still, talked to the living victims? Somehow I think that the closest these dilettantes got to the horror of it all was the lemon chicken lunch they sat down to while visiting the "public" area of Gitmo.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist said recently, "Well, Alan, I think it really does reflect that we are in an age and an era post-9/11, where we're talking about a new sort of opponent, a new sort of the war criminal, somebody who right now we call then enemy combatants, but the sort of people like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who's down in Guantanamo Bay now, who allegedly and likely did mastermind the plot that killed 3,000 Americans."


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deranged
Posted by: rsaxto on Oct 2, 2006 1:16 AM   
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IMPEACH THE DERANGED PEACOCKS CHENEY/BUSH.

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How The Hell...
Posted by: aussidawg on Oct 2, 2006 1:27 AM   
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can our legislators pass UNCONSTITUTIONAL laws? Anyone with a third grade education and a Black's Law Dictionary, a pocket Constitution, or a library, that will take five frigging minutes to read Article I of the U.S. Constitution can see for themselves that the Military Commission Act is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. So why is there so little noise being generated by the American public (aka sheep) in opposition of this illegal trash bill? So... the bill might someday be challenged huh. Dammit, there should be a line of people waiting to file challenges to this law!

I realize this may sound really petty, given the seriousness of our elected representatives and senators actually voting for this act, but these people have pissed on us one too many times, and need to be held accountable. They should have so much mail, so many nasygrams waiting for them as they return home from what they call work, that when they open their office doors, it takes an avalanche beacon to locate them under the mass of mail that inundates them.

Find out how your representatives and senators voted, and as is likely the case that they voted in favor of this act, put their name in the newspaper, followed by a detailed explanation of what they voted for (this is to educate the majority of the American people that have no hint of what this bill stands for.) We must do as must political damage as is possible to these traitors prior to November 7 elections. Then, send them to the unemployment line or file criminal charges for aiding and abetting multiple violations of the Federal War Crimes Act, Artice Three of the Geneva Conventions, and treason.

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» RE: How The Hell... Posted by: Magginkat
» RE: How The Hell...More like..sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
TORTURE, YOU SAY??? I'm All For It!!!
Posted by: Tom Degan on Oct 2, 2006 1:55 AM   
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Let's not get too upset about this, folks! Yes, I know! I know it's a disgusting a law as anything to ever come out of the whore house of representitives but look on the bright side of it: The day of reckoning is near for George W. Bush and Dick Cheney! One of these days, both of these dispicable pieces of shit are going to be questioned by the feds. Call it a hunch, but I have a sneaking suspicion that both of these assholes are one day going to regret ever going down this road:

"So ya won't talk, huh, George"?
"This might refresh your memory, Dick"!

Fuck it! It's now legal for them to torture anybody! And that includes EVERYBODY!!! Ah yes! How I'd love to be in the room when that happens! Can you just imagine? Hopefully, when the democrats take back the House and Senate in January, they'll have the wisdom and the forsight to strike down this horrendous and disgusting law. But, please, not before we have the opportunity to ask Georgie and Dickie some "questions". Very soon, the trillion dollar shithammer is goint to hit the fan. Alot of people are going to pay an extremely high price for their crimes. George W. Bush and Dick Cheney will die in federal prison. I promise you that.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant by Tom Degan

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In centureis to come, the human race probably won't be here.
Posted by: akai ringo on Oct 2, 2006 4:01 AM   
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Re tye tpic linke that the torture laws "will define the Bush administration for centuries to come", if the U.S. government persists in its virtual total denial of global warming, the human race probably won't be around in centuries to come. Of course, global warming is not just the fault of the U.S., but with America's tremendous power and influence in the world, there is a great deal it could do to improve matters if the political will was there.

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» Uh, Hugh,............ Posted by: tap17x
Wake Up
Posted by: wawa on Oct 2, 2006 5:07 AM   
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We the People are up against Empire builders.

Bush gave up drinking when 'found' God-but all he did was exchange that addiction for an other when he became addicted to the wine that Wolfowitz poured out in his Doctrine of domination and hegemony coupled with the delusional fantasies of Cheney and Rummy that the USA could be viewed as liberators-when the truth is we are occupiers.



“The methods and photos from Abu Grahib and Guantanamo were no shock to any Palestinian who had been in prison between 1967 and the ‘80’s. All the methods used in Abu Grahib were normal procedures against Palestinians. In 1999 Internationals, Palestinians and Israelis for human rights threatened a boycott against Israel and that is what forced the Supreme Court to address the torture issue. They did not ban torture and the General Prosecutor can choose not to prosecute those who still use it."-Ala Jaradat of the organization WWW.ADDAMEER.ORG

Quote is excerpt from WAWA BLOG January 5, 2006 from my interview in Ramallah Headquarters of ADAMEER, which is Arabic for conscience.

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midwestblue
Posted by: midwestblue on Oct 2, 2006 6:26 AM   
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Yesterday (October 1st) Juan Cole, on his Informed Comment blog, wrote about a new book (not yet available in the U.S.) written by Craig Murray entitled "Murder in Samarkand." Craig Murray was the UK ambassador to Uzbekistan. His book examines torture and the establishment of military bases on or near oil supplies. Basically, the Bush and Blair administrations torture to get false confessions from so-called Al Qaeda supporters in order to further their "global war on terror" and thus establish bases near oil reserves. It's worth reading Juan Cole's column--there aren't nearly as many Al Qaeda terrorists as we've been led to believe. The Bush and Blair governments use torture for oil exploration.

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How much is enough.
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Oct 2, 2006 6:31 AM   
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Every person who is against torture should know that it's not enought to say, "I didn't vote for him". It's not enough to blame our fellow citizens who watch Survivor. The people who are most to blame are we who know that torture is immoral, unAmerican, and inhuman and do nothing to stop it.
Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.

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torture me once
Posted by: mikmojo06 on Oct 2, 2006 7:29 AM   
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The writer, producer, and director of abu ghraib never had to show his trailers of torture during this award ceremony. Thanks go out to the academy of gutless Democrats. Please take a bow

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AIDS VIRUS & Department of Defense and Senate Library 1970
Posted by: mite on Oct 2, 2006 7:35 AM   
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RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT, TEST, and EVALUATION- H.B.15090 1970...
In 1969 (3 years before the World Health Organization's request) the U.S. Dept. of Defense requested and got $10 million to make the AIDS virus in labs as a political/ethnic weapon to be used mainly against Blacks. (Behold A Pale Horse, p.446) Milton William Cooper, 1991 ISBN 0-929385-22-5 by Light Technology Publishing
TERRORISM- The goal of terrorism is to create terror and fear.
Terrorism is not an expression of RAGE. Terrorism is a POLITICAL weapon.

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It's called the Fuhrer Principle...
Posted by: BeeGee on Oct 2, 2006 7:36 AM   
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The quote from Gonzales above is expressing the Fuhrer Principle, the notion that the leader is above the law and makes the law. You can check it out in Wikipedia or any site with transcripts of the Nuremberg trials. It wasn't accepted as legitimate in post-WWII war crime tribunals and it shouldn't be accepted now either. Now, how the US Congress, including my Democratic Senator Ken Salazar, can vote for a law that is clearly unconstitutional is anyone's guess. And challenging it should be interesting because of a built in Catch-22 conundrum -- if the law is applicable to you, you're denied due process (civilian trial by a jury of peers). So, it appears challenges must somehow be made by those who are not declared enemy combatants by the Fuhrer/Decider. I'm eager to learn how this can be done and will be badgering ACLU frequently until they tell me.

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Whatchagonnado
Posted by: NoPCZone on Oct 2, 2006 8:03 AM   
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When this bunch steals another election what are you prepared to do about it? Unless the turnout is so obviously overwhelming that a GOP victory would be obvious vote theft, they will steal this congressional election in the critical seats they need to hold. What are you going to do about it? Post, blog and rant and rave?

A massive protest like what just happened in Mexico City would probably provoke BushCo into invoking powers under the Insurrection Act. Do a little reading, our 'unitary executive' would like nothing better.

Be prepared. The NeoCon crazies are swiftboating John Murtha and it's getting little attention or outrage. If they will frontally assault a real live veteran that is also a senior member of the House, where will they draw the line?

Standing up could mean getting beat down when the votes are counted. Not a prediction, just an admonishment to be ready.

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the administration that will...sickofsleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Oct 2, 2006 9:18 AM   
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live in imfamy. Franklin Delano Roosevelt called December 7 1941 "the day that will live in infamy". The Bush-Cheney regime will be known as "the regime that will live in infamy"

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Hold on.............
Posted by: Elmowilcox on Oct 2, 2006 9:35 AM   
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It's time we stop letting the other perpetrators of this evil off the hook. Why does the title of this article exclude the Dems? They are culpable in all this, and retroactively all the way back to the beginning of this "war" due to their pacifist "I gotta get reelected" nonaction. This isn't a one-sided problem anymore, our entire government is involved and should be held liable as such.

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» RE: Hold on............. Posted by: willymack
Righteous Anger
Posted by: edith on Oct 2, 2006 10:04 AM   
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What a sermon!

Just a couple quibbles: there seems to be a myth out there that the Nazis were Christians. They were not. They were a neo-Pagan cult. So the crack about Nazis enjoying their "Christian" pomp was a cheap shot. And unnecessary to the main argument by the author.

Also, while voting for torture itself can be failry characterized as a crime, sin, pick your poison, the real crime will come when some President, and it could be a Republican or Democrat, uses this legislation together with the Patriot and other thought control laws to torture and deny habeus to political opponents who have nothing to do with the Al Queda organization that this alleged war on "terror" supposedly is about.

One of the readers here pointed out the absurdity of Bush's war on a "noun". It was a great analogy. However he may not be the last to torture if he and his successors figure out you and the terror noun are one and the same.

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» Your quibble is wrong Posted by: tap17x
WHAT IS A FREE COUNTRY? - technically speaking
Posted by: LMNOP on Oct 2, 2006 11:00 AM   
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Here's a hypothetical question for you political science scholars:

What is a free country? How does one decide whether to include a nation as a part of the free world? I would think that it relates to guaranteed rights and the absence of need for permission to make choices.

If the head of state of some hypothetical country was legally free to abscond with its citizens and do with them as he pleases without any charges or trial - including torture them to their deaths - hypothetically, now, of course, if such citizens and their families also had no rights or legal recourse were they or their loved one spirited off in the night, could you classify such a country and its people as free?

What is the sine qua non of political freedom and how do you know if you have that or not?

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Long live Magna Carta
Posted by: Ray S on Oct 2, 2006 12:14 PM   
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Right wing Christians who voted for and enabled this Republican administration are praying that God is a just and forgiving God.

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» RE: Long live Magna Carta Posted by: willymack
rethug torture laws
Posted by: willymack on Oct 2, 2006 2:18 PM   
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We now know beyond any doubt what we've suspected for some time, that "congress" is a collection of gutless asslickers. We'll soon see if the Supreme Court is in the same category. I hope not.

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» RE: rethug torture laws..sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
» The Supremes,.......... Posted by: tap17x
Wallace993
Posted by: Wallace9 on Oct 2, 2006 2:33 PM   
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THIS IS A VERY SAD DAY FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Congress has just passed the Military Commissions Act of 2006 [.pdf] This act in essence suspends the writ of Habeas Corpus which gives U.S. citizens the right to face their accusers and hear the charges against them. It also puts U.S. citizens who protest the actions of the Government under the cloud of possible prosecution for aiding the enemy as an “Enemy Combatant.” The prosecution timetable is in doubt because they can keep you without counsel for as long as they want to. Coupled with another act on torture that defines the means of torture and abrogates the United States from following the Geneva Conventions Treaty of 1949 they can also torture you at will.

This is virtually a cancellation of the Constitution. It sets up a totalitarian government here in the United States. It takes away all of our rights under the Bill of Rights in The Constitution. America is no longer a Republic but now is a dictatorship under our Fűhrer Bush.

SURPRISE = I have a theory about what Bush and his cadre of idiots will do next. It involves the ’06 or ’08 elections. I believe that they will stage some kind of an emergency such as a bombing, a mass arrest or another plane crash into a building before one of the elections. Using that incident as an excuse they will declare martial law. Then because of that supposed emergency they will accomplish a coup de tat by cancelling the elections because of the emergency. This will then put this country under a permanent dictatorship.

I have been depressed for the last three days since Friday when I learned of the passage of this bill. When I came home on Thursday my partner was in tears over it. I just cannot realize what has happened to us or how it happened. What happened to our Congress? Have they finally lost their collective mind? It reminds me of the parallel to what happened in Germany in 1934 or 1935 when Hitler had the Reicshstag bombed by his minions and declared a national emergency. He then had the Reichstag declare him a dictator with plenary, sole, powers to rule the nation. It is only a short step for that to happen in this country. Why didn’t our legislators stop it? What the hell happened to the vaunted American penchant for independent thinking? Are we so very frightened of the possibility of another attack that we are willing to give up our very fundamental rights to protect us? Are we willing to become caged inhabitants in order to be safe? I know of a place where the inhabitants are completely safe; they call it a zoo. I also know of places where there is law and order; Cuba, China, Russia, Zimbabwe.

On my car I have a bumper sticker of my own design. It is a paraphrase of Patrick Henry’s saying “Give me liberty or give me death.” Mine reads, “The worst day free is better then the best day safe.” We are now about to enter the “Twilight Zone.”

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Countrymen we must act now
Posted by: Premalata H de Matesanz on Oct 2, 2006 3:12 PM   
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The law is unconstitucional, evil, and by international law illegal. We my fellow countrymen are responsible, as responsible as any German who watched the jews being led away or as any polish lady who shook the ashes of their bodies out of her laundry was responsible for the "final solution". What did you do today to stop this warmongering traitor? Or years from now will we wring our hands and say "I didn't know, it isn't my fault. I couldn't do anything about it".
I demand his impeachment.
I demand he go on trial for treason.
I demand that the war crimes tribunal put him on trial.

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» I second the motions. Posted by: YinRising
» RE: Countrymen we must act now Posted by: Lincoln fan
The Poison Infiltrating Society
Posted by: sofla100 on Oct 2, 2006 3:28 PM   
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It is not just so-called "terrorists" my friend who can receive "special treatment." Just take a look at some of the latest demonstrations in America. Perticularly, those marching against "free trade." Many were beat up, punched and kicked by the police here in Miami. in fact, it is no called the "Miami Model." Stifling all dissent. The police and local officals know this is all now sanctioned behavior. Torture and oppression are no longer off limits per the federal government.

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The Torture Laws Complete the "Sovietization" of America
Posted by: Douglas on Oct 2, 2006 5:28 PM   
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Tempting as it is to compare Bush and Cheney to Mussolini and Hitler and call them fascists for what they and their Republican (and Democratic) enablers have done in turning this country into an authoritarian police state, the comparison is probably anaccurate and incorrect. Although their values may resemble those of the German and Italian fascists, their totalitarian methods are more akin to those of Joseph Stalin, a man they all once loved to hate but whose methods they now seem to emulate. History will remember Dubya as the president who "sovietized" America. Welcome to the USSR!!

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The Lesson of Nuremberg
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Oct 2, 2006 8:46 PM   
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The Congress and President Bush can pass laws that cover their asses from criminal law domestically just like the Nazi Party did in Germany of the 30s. Their Laws legalized the persecution of Jews, Gypsies, Mentally Retarded, and political prisoners which resulted in the Holocaust. The lesson of Nuremberg was that regardless of German Law and their "Just following Orders" defenses, they were still guilty of committing war crimes. The day will come for the Bush Administration when just like the Nazis will be declared war criminals and be made to stand before the world and receive their just rewards for their actions. The Nazis has a run of a little over 12 years and the clock started ticking on the Bush gang back in 2001. Justice will win out even if it has to come from the World Court.

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» RE: The Lesson of Nuremberg Posted by: albrechtkrausse
KARMA FOR NEO NAZIS and all associates
Posted by: Burtonger on Oct 4, 2006 12:20 AM   
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These f*cking new nazi war criminals are also traitors,profiteers and guilty of many other crimes and if america or the world does nothing it would be another crime against humanity.
SO the one thought that has kept me from taking law into my own hands was the UNIVERSAL LAW OF KARMA.
And this universal law is un-corruptible by ANYONE or anything.
SO these guilty MONSTERS will be paid in full as we all will be,eventually , because karma has time on it's side,humans do not.

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Karma??
Posted by: robmikejas on Oct 4, 2006 6:57 AM   
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Karma, shmarma! There will be no supernatural justice meeted out to the Bush crime family. The only justice will be of and from the citizens of the world in the form of capture and interogation of these men and women w2ho pass these oppressive laws and violate the human rights of anyone they choose. IT's a long shot, but Bush faces a future of his own evil making.

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Do-It-Yourself Impeachment Due this Thursday!!! (Oct 12)
Posted by: Jodin on Oct 6, 2006 10:57 PM   
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The day the nation demands impeachment is almost upon us. This coming Thursday (Oct 12), sacks and sacks of mail will arrive in congress demanding impeachment via the House of Representatives own rules. This legal document is as binding as if a State or if the House itself passed the impeachment resolution (H.R. 635).

There's a little known and rarely used clause of the "Jefferson Manual" in the rules for the House of Representatives which sets forth the various ways in which a president can be impeached. Only the House Judiciary Committee puts together the Articles of Impeachment, but before that happens, someone has to initiate the process.

That's where we come in. In addition to the State-by-State method, one of the ways to get impeachment going is for individual citizens like you and me to submit a memorial. ImpeachforPeace.org, part of the movement to impeach the president, has created a new memorial based on one which was successful in impeaching a federal official in the past. You can find it on their website as a PDF.

STOP WAITING FOR YOUR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TO ACT FOR YOU.

You can initiate the impeachment process yourself by downloading the memorial, filling in the relevant information in the blanks (your name, state, etc.), and sending it in.

http://ImpeachForPeace.org/ImpeachNow.html

More information on the precedent for submitting an impeachment
memorial, and the House Rules on this procedure, can also be found at
the above address.

If you have any doubts that Bush has committed crimes warranting
impeachment, read this page: http://ImpeachForPeace.org/evidence/

If you're concerned that impeachment might not be the best strategy
at this point, read the bottom of this page: http://ImpeachForPeace.org

"I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace."
Bush, June 18, 2002

"War is Peace."
Big Brother in George Orwell's 1984

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DIE, AMERICA
Posted by: jjs on Oct 19, 2006 4:23 PM   
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Personally, I suspect that the world's great powers, leading the not-so-powerful, will not tolerate a dictatorship in the world's greatest power. Way too dangerous.

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