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The Baby Boomer Border Invasion

By Mike Davis, Tomdispatch.com. Posted September 26, 2006.


American retirees are taking over Mexico's most beautiful places, driving up proprety prices, and wreaking ecological havoc. Is this modern-day manifest destiny?
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The visitor crossing from Tijuana to San Diego these days is immediately slapped in the face by a huge billboard screaming, "Stop the Border Invasion!" Sponsored by the rabidly anti-immigrant vigilante group, the Minutemen, the same truculent slogan reportedly insults the public at other border crossings in Arizona and Texas.

The Minutemen, once caricatured in the press as gun-toting clowns, are now haughty celebrities of grassroots conservatism, dominating AM hate radio as well as the even more hysterical ether of the right-wing blogosphere. In heartland as well as in border states, Republican candidates vie desperately for their endorsement. With the electorate alienated by the dual catastrophes of Baghdad and New Orleans, the Brown Peril has suddenly become the Republican deus ex machina for retaining control of Congress in the November elections.

A faltering GOP hegemony, too long sustained by the scraps of 9/11 and the imaginary weaponry of Saddam Hussein, now has a new urgency in its appeal to the suburbs. Not since Kofi Annan conspired to send his black helicopters to terrorize Wyoming, has such a clear-and-present danger threatened the Republic as the sinister armies of would-be busboys and gardeners gathered at the Rio Grande.

To listen to some of these demagogues, one would assume that the Twin Towers had been blown up by followers of the Virgin of Guadalupe or that Spanish had recently been decreed the official language of Connecticut. Having failed to scourge the world of evil by invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, Republicans, supported by some Democrats, now propose that we invade ourselves: sending the Marines and Green Berets, along with the National Guard, into the hostile deserts of California and New Mexico where national sovereignty is supposedly under siege.

As in the past, nativism today is bigotry as surreal caricature, reality stood on its head. The ultimate irony, however, is that there really is something that might be called a "border invasion," but the Minutemen's billboards are on the wrong side of the freeway.

The Baby Boomers Head South

What few people -- at least, outside of Mexico -- have bothered to notice is that while all the nannies, cooks, and maids have been heading north to tend the luxury lifestyles of irate Republicans, the Gringo hordes have been rushing south to enjoy glorious budget retirements and affordable second homes under the Mexican sun.

Yes, in former California Governor Pete Wilson's immortal words, "They just keep coming." Over the last decade, the U.S. State Department estimates that the number of Americans living in Mexico has soared from 200,000 to 1 million (or one-quarter of all U.S. expatriates). Remittances from the United States to Mexico have risen dramatically from $9 billion to $14.5 billion in just two years. Though initially interpreted as representing a huge spike in illegal workers (who send parts of their salaries across the border to family), it turns out to be mainly money sent by Americans to themselves in order to finance Mexican homes and retirements.

Although some of them are certainly naturalized U.S. citizens returning to towns and villages of their birth after lifetimes of toil al otro lado, the director-general of FONATUR, the official agency for tourism development in Mexico, recently characterized the typical investors in that country's real estate as American "baby boomers who have paid off in good part their initial mortgage and are coming into inheritance money."

Indeed, according to the Wall Street Journal, "The land rush is occurring at the beginning of a demographic tidal wave. With more than 70 million American baby boomers expected to retire in the next two decades... some experts predict a vast migration to warmer -- and cheaper -- climates. Often such buyers purchase a property 10 to 15 years before retirement, use it as a vacation home, and then eventually move there for most of the year. Developers increasingly are taking advantage of the trend, building gated communities, condominiums, and golf courses."

The extraordinary rise in U.S. Sunbelt property values gives gringos immense economic leverage. Shrewd baby-boomers are not simply feathering nests for eventual retirement, but also increasingly speculating in Mexican resort property, sending up property values to the detriment of locals whose children are consequently driven into slums or forced to emigrate north, only increasing the "invasion" charges. As in Galway, Corsica, or, for that matter, Montana, the global second-home boom is making life in beautiful, natural settings unaffordable for their traditional residents.

Some expatriates are experimenting with exotic places such as the Riviera Maya or Tulum in Quintana Roo, but more prefer such well-established havens as San Miguel de Allende and Puerto Vallarta. Here the norteamericanos make themselves at home in more ways than one.

An English-language paper in Puerto Vallarta, for instance, recently applauded the imminent arrival of a new shopping mall that will include Hooters, Burger King, Subway, Chili's and Starbucks. Only Dunkin' Donuts (con salsa?), the paper complained, was still missing.


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Mike Davis is the author, most recently, of Planet of Slums (Verso 2006), and, with Justin Chacon Akers, No One is Illegal (Haymarket 2006). His history of the car bomb, Buda Wagons, will be published by Verso early next year.

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Posted by: Aussie Kim on Sep 26, 2006 12:13 AM   
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If the Mexicans can't move north, then the Americans should be stopped from moving south.

Or, at the very least, no Americans without millions of dollars and without private health care and without the money that makes then _properly_ American should be allowed to move south. Poor people from the south are not allowed to try to better themselves, therefore poor people from the north should not be allowed to, either.

Although...rich people from the North should not be able to move south either, else who will employ the dirt-cheap maids and gardeners who _do _ make it out of Mexico?

No - better if no one be allowed to move South.

Else they might have to learn another language (quelle horror!) and we know how demeaning THAT would be...

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Posted by: rsaxto on Sep 26, 2006 12:25 AM   
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This is just the most blatant nearby example of the USA ruining the rest of the world: they are being invaded by ugly Americans galore. At least we don't kill them like in Iraq.

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This is new?
Posted by: edith on Sep 26, 2006 1:07 AM   
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American tourism and second homes have permeated Mexico since World War II. Acapulco, Guadalajara and Guanajata are examples. The entire area around Cancun is a tourist conclave. Mexico City is an environmental disaster but not because of Americans but because of stupid Mexican planning policies that encourage tens of millions of people to live in a Valley that must import food to survive and that exports pollution from the manmade lung the Valley of Mexico has become.

Baja's natural preservation is a worthy cause, as is the entire Pacific coast of Mexico. But tourism and real estate for second homes is a major industry for Mexico, employing millions. The US is not forcing Mexico to develop baja, and its developement is really a supplement to the development or overdevelopment of California.

Mike Davis has written well and passionately about the destruction of California's environment over the years and this is a natural extention. But Mexico is a sovereign nation and it is up to Mexico to choose between development of coastal areas and environmental protection.

There are economic advantages to Mexico to develpment, particularly relatively clean development like resorts and second homes. Mexico's awful pollution is not caused by American retirees.

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» Mexico Won't Stay Poor, Alas Posted by: Sparks56
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» Mexico is not a US colony Posted by: edith
Hasta lumbago, King George
Posted by: LMNOP on Sep 26, 2006 5:05 AM   
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This is an email from an American couple that is planning to leave the US in a few years after they have sold off their American assets and put away some more money.

They chose Mexico and built a home there last year even though they weren't ready to move into it yet because prices were rising in their chosen village, a Canadian-American enclave of expatriates. So, they were there just recently to furnish the home in anticipation of renting it out until they are ready to leave for good:

"We're back. The townhouse is furnished and ready for occupancy, and we've had a couple of bites already. We also had an offer to sell (which we refused) for 40% more than we paid for it eighteen months ago. We were right to buy when we did in our little artist?s colony.

I am so glad to have missed the 911 masturbatory exercises. I don?t think I could have stood to see that chimp chattering about partisan politics and lying through his simian teeth on that day.

Mexico was a breath of fresh air compared to home. No partisan bickering even though while we were there, they had just named the winner of the last presidential election after two months of recounting. Patriotism and religion are sincere and not used as weapons. They have a major patriotic holiday coming up this weekend on the 16th, and the streets are festooned with red, white and green as well as shrines to the Virgin of Guadalupe. It?s a pleasure to see people with flags and religious icons that are not conservative ?in your face? assholes. The government appears to actually have an allegiance to its people - you should see it.

My first experience back in the US was a rude bully of a customs agent sitting in front of a sign which told me what a professional and world class police force he was part of. The intimidation and spin had already begun. Welcome home."

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» A good point Posted by: cold2touch
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The reason there are poor people in Mexico is because of the .......
Posted by: Prophit on Sep 26, 2006 5:09 AM   
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..... ruling elite of spanish decent. GO STUDY UP ON IT. Even when progress is made, money is brought into the country and could easily support an increase in the standard of living of Mexico, the elite there (similar to what is beginning here) take , keep it and won't pay a living wage, so don't go blaming those who come with dollars to spend when the problem is the elite who run the damn country into the ground and then send the illegals and their incarcerated criminals to the US along with their mentally ill.

I am getting tired of pandering to those who have no clue what is going on in Mexico and care so little for the people that they don't make a stink down there to try to change the whole countries poverty condition, yet will come up here and make all kinds of noises about how much they hate us, and yet want to live here. Go home if you hate us so much. I, frankly, am tired of it.

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Leave Cancun out of this
Posted by: jules_siegel on Sep 26, 2006 5:10 AM   
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The entire area around Cancun is not a tourist enclave. Nor is Cancun a tourist enclave. It's a tourism resort with more than 600,000 Mexican residents. The hotels occupy a narrow strip of sand. The rest of the Cancun area is occupied by residences and businesses of people who came from all over Mexico seeking a better life.

American liberal cultural imperialists have a truly bizarre and highly offensive way of criticizing Mexico no matter what it does. On the one hand, they wring their hands about poverty. On the other, they deride any development that might bring jobs to areas where people used to die of hungry -- if there were any people at all. They are especially contemptous of tourism development, for some reason.

I guess they feel that the lost cities of Mexico City -- without any public services -- are a better destination for Mexicans seeking employment. It's better for them to go pick fruit in the United States under slave labor conditions -- especially organic fruit, which requires extensive hand labor -- than to work in the hotel industry. When was the last time you heard about environmentalists boycotting organic food because of the conditions under which it is cultivated and harvested?

No, no, go dump on Cancun. It's so much easier and more fashionable. No one ever challenges this except me, possibly because I've lived here since 1983 and actually know the resort's history and its culture and its people. I also know that in 1969, when Banco de México first proposed building planned tourist resorts as a way of bringing in foreign exchange without the disgusting side effects of assembly and manufacturing, Mexico was facing a population crisis. Where were they supposed to put all those new people? How were they supposed to feed them and employ them?

Tourism development financed the creation of whole new areas of prosperity, of which Cancun is perhaps the most successful. It did so with a minimum of environmental damage, especially when compared with the border areas in the north, where toxic discharges from the factories have poisoned the Rio Bravo (which you call the Rio Grande) and the surrounding countryside.

Mexico did have to sacrifice some of its vast wilderness areas in order to take care of its people. Since many environmentalists are essentially anti-human, this seems to them to have been the wrong choice.

Mexicans don't happen to feel the same way. Approximately a third -- about a million a year -- of Cancun's visitors are Mexicans. They are proud of Cancun as an example of modern Mexico. People here are concerned about the environment. There is damage, of course, but this is still one of the cleanest developed areas in the world. Immense areas of the state of Quintana Roo have been set aside as ecological reserves, including Si'an Kaan, the world's second largest biosphere. The waters off Cancun are crystal clear. You can see the bottom in a satellite photo. Contrast this with American resorts such as Key West where human fecal matter commonly floats in the swimming areas.

I could go on at great length about this, but I am going to stop here. If you'd like to read more about this, please go to Cancun Bashing Is in Season. I doubt that I will change anyone's mind, but you never know, some of you might learn something. Mainly, don't impose your values on a culture that is perfectly capable of making its own choices and decisions. Tourism in Mexico is a 100% home-grown solution to 100% local conditions. Consider the viewpoints of Mexico and its people before you jump to conclusions.

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I see that others agree with me.
Posted by: jules_siegel on Sep 26, 2006 5:14 AM   
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It took me some time to write my comment. While I was doing it, other people made some very cogent points along the same lines.

I'm glad to see that I'm not alone on this.

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» Me Too! Posted by: Sparks56
A paradise fading...
Posted by: macariosm on Sep 26, 2006 6:23 AM   
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I'm from Tijuana, México, and every year we drive down the Baja peninsula (sometimes more than once) to our favourite spots in Loreto, Mulege and Santispac, stoping in Ensenada, Bahia de Los Angeles, Guerrero Negro, San Ignacio and Santa Rosalia.

We also stop at some of the more accesible "pinturas rupestres" caves on the way down, we also like to stop in the middle of "nowhere" to listen to the wind, watch the cactus and sirios disolve in the horizon, climb the rock mountains, or just to do nothing but contemplate in silence.

For people who haven't been there, It's dificult to explain how beautifull it is to spend a night in any beach on the gulf side of the peninsula with a new moon and no light or sound contamination getting in the way between you and the stary sky, listenting to the tiny waves crash into the shore, it's a spiritual experience that fuels our souls and a part of our lives as bajacalifornians, and it's there for everybody!!...

But just the thought of all that going away "FOREVER" and replaced by condos, shopping malls, yacht piers, golf courses, etc, it brings tears to my eyes.

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Seems like a fair trade to me...
Posted by: MonkeyBoy on Sep 26, 2006 7:54 AM   
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Let the populations shift wherever they want.

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Once again, the problem is us.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Sep 26, 2006 9:23 AM   
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The the loss of our forests, environmental degradation everywhere, decreasing stocks of potable water worldwide, global warming, and now the "Malling" of Baja; all of this was being discussed 30 years ago by The Club of Rome, Paul Erlich ("The Population Bomb"), and other scientists. Yet for 30 years there has been absolutely no effort to curb runaway population or to reign in our spendthrift, destructive, lifestyle. Indeed, religious fundamentalism threatens efforts at birth control even today. Granted, this won't help the geriatric tidal wave enveloping Baja, Mexico (California del Sur?); but what of the future? If we deny reality and keep going like we have, 30 years from now, today will seem like "the good old days" – if we, or our children, are still around by then on our pressure-cooker planet. Pray that science fiction films like "Soylent Green" and "Blade Runner" are not prophesy.

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isn't it funny...
Posted by: erinj on Sep 26, 2006 9:53 AM   
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that all along the righthand side of this article are advertisments for condos and other properties in los cabos and other picturesque mexican sites???

... just an observation...

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Leaving the USA in broad daylight: The real reason.
Posted by: bettyn on Sep 26, 2006 10:40 AM   
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Am not surprised that there is a mass exodus of boomers to other lands. My husband and I are presently living in Jebby's Florida, but we've been considering selling our home here and moving elsewhere, either to a non-U.S. owned Caribbean island or the nation of Belize for the following reasons:

1. No health care, no way to buy affordable insurance in our old age. We have "too many" prescriptions and too many "pre-existing conditions". Our prescriptions cost a fortune, and Bush and Co, just seized my husband's shipment of blood pressure pills from Canada.

2. Our Repug-dominated local government is charging each and everyone of us $20,000 for a new (and unneeded) sewer system. (I smell corporate boondoggle, too, Jim Hightower).

3. Our tax dollars go straight into the pocket of the same corporate cronies of the Bushies (Bechtel) who forced my husband to take early retirement and thus cut off all access to healthcare.

4. I'm tired of being HATED and unable to travel where I want to go because everyone else thinks we actually LIKE the crooks and liars we have running this country. THEY think WE actually VOTED this bunch in. Thanks a million (er--billion), Diebold!

5. I just can't stand any more "bushwhacking", but how do you actually vote to get these pigs away from the trough? Maybe I'm getting senile, but I haven't been able to solve that problem yet, after three straight elections where I've tried absentee, early, and on day of election voting.

6. I absolutely HATE "fundies"! These religious whackos are EVERYWHERE! I cannot stand the "dumbing down" of our education system, I hate the fact that we cannot do stem-cell research to give people with serious illnesses a chance of survival and a decent life, I hate the fact that women can't control their own reproductive choices, and I hate seeing Bible-thumping preachers screaming and yelling on every street corner while they rake in the dough for their political masters.

Sorry, but this is NOT my USA anymore...and I want OUT! If the revolution comes...then maybe we'll be back...but I ain't holding my breath on that!

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bigredaries
Posted by: bigredaries on Sep 26, 2006 11:18 AM   
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Although you have valid points to make in the article, I doubt you have been to Loreto at all. The development you site is in Nopolo about eight miles out of town and the developer is doing quite a bit with their foundation to give back and to realize an ecologically friendly project. It is actually the Mexican government who wouldl like to see the poulation rise to over 100,000 ...it is the locals and ex-pats who do not due to the constraints on water supplies in a desert. All in Loreto would like the small fishing village and home to the first Mission in the Californias to remain much the same and retain its local color and charm. We bought our home and have a restaurant in town. We pay good wages and take care of our employees especially after this past hurricane. After reading "Sorrows of Empire" Mexico was going to be our exit strategy....not exactly give me liberty or give me a passport! There is no Bush...Mexico has not invaded another neighbor and until recently, hope for honest elections. I do take exception to your suggestion of a double standard with respect to the minutemen...I do not know anyone in our community who is not outraged by their actions of racism. My home is now ground zero in Laguna Beach, Ca to be made an example of by the minutemen and now a fresh threat of a lawsuit by the notorious Judicial Watch. It just goes on...so if you want to get it right come for a visit to Loreto and the Margaritas are on me.

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» it is about the minutemen Posted by: bigredaries
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White-Hating Identity Politics of the FakeLeft strikes again
Posted by: rebel_pig on Sep 26, 2006 2:13 PM   
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quotes from the article, with telling words in bold:

American retirees are taking over Mexico's most beautiful places, driving up proprety prices, and wreaking ecological havoc.
...

The visitor crossing from Tijuana to San Diego these days is immediately slapped in the face by a huge billboard screaming, "Stop the Border Invasion!" Sponsored by the rabidly anti-immigrant vigilante group, the Minutemen, the same truculent slogan reportedly insults the public at other border crossings in Arizona and Texas.
....
The Minutemen, once caricatured in the press as gun-toting clowns, are now haughty celebrities of grassroots conservatism,
...
To listen to some of these demagogues, one

As in the past, nativism today is bigotry as surreal caricature, reality stood on its head.

the Gringo hordes ...

gives gringos immense economic leverage. Shrewd baby-boomers are not simply feathering nests for eventual retirement, but also increasingly speculating in Mexican resort property, sending up property values to the detriment of locals whose children are consequently driven into slums or forced to emigrate north,

The gringo footprint
Indeed, Baja real-estate websites ooze almost as much hyperbole as those devoted to stalking the phantom menace of illegal immigrants


tens of thousands of gringo retirees

a gilded gringo enclave


Can you see how this article is just dripping with hate for the ordinary americans who just want to stop working and enjoy life and their hard earned savings? And do you see how this article glorifies the millions of mexican immigrants who take advantage of the elite ideological hegemony that dominates America?

The hordes of immigrants drive down wages, and the GOP and the democrats are colluding with the business lobbies and the rich to enforce the ideological hegemony that allows this travesty. The so called "gringo" invasion the author speaks of is simply working Americans who want to STOP working and enjoy life.
Do you see how the author promotes a mindset that encourages one to HATE white Americans? Once the elite have planted that idea in your head, they OWN your ideological ass. Remember, they want to divide and rule the lower classes.

Has this author-- Davis -- taken money from nonprofits in order to promote these elite-friendly ideas? The rich and the corporations fund these nonprofits in order to fund activists and writers who write pro-immigration, pro-globalization, pro-laissez faire propaganda. THIS is how the ideological hegemony is maintained--through ideas.

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"They Just Keep Coming"
Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Sep 26, 2006 2:49 PM   
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If anyone (chiefly Americans) have traveled to Baja California and seen all the nice homes and condos, who are the inhabitants? Surely not the locals. Those seaside McMansions cost a pretty penny and it is a bet they are inhabited by Americans.
The trend started back in the early eighties as retirees sought sanctuary from California's expensive real estate prices; and, western Mexico's climate is ideal for the elderly to live comfortably away from Los Angeles' smog, crime and other unpleasant by-products of "affluenza".
Mexicans who happen to live on the peninsula can't buy these pricey enclaves and are denied access to its lovely beaches. (Sounds familiar, eh Malibu?) They're treated like orphans in their own country. How would we feel if Mexicans or any other nationality were to buy beachfront property in L.A.'s Palos Verdes Estates, Newport Beach or in Manhattan Beach? Didn't think so. You get the idea.
To the Mexicans, we keep coming. With dollars and mortgage papers in tow.

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Who are those people?
Posted by: patria on Sep 26, 2006 5:53 PM   
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Your stock photo (I assume that's what it is) is very interesting.... Are these people--who appear old enough to be the parents, or even grandparents, of "boomers"--looking wistfully across the border to where their children have escaped to luxury condos? Is this careless illustration also indicative of careless writing? Hacking out a provocative premise (however valid) without much regard for its veracity?

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The American plan or refied beans??
Posted by: Melvin on Sep 26, 2006 7:04 PM   
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Interesting comments by USA citizens. Here I am in Canada readying myself for retirement, in five years time, to Mexico.
After making some remedial inquiries into where to go for a few warmer winter months I was advised to spend time in the Baha where I would be "only" 45 mins away from the nearest Costco, McDonalds & other USA companies. My answer; Fuck Off; I like Mexico with Mexicans.

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» RE: The American plan or refied beans?? Posted by: countingdaisies
Disturbing trend in Panama too
Posted by: flairndip on Sep 26, 2006 7:33 PM   
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I observed a similiarly disturbing trend last month in Panama. Up in the beautiful hills of Chiriqui, you can't turn around without bumping into some American shieking in glee about how much cheaper the prices are than in Florida! Even Costa Rica! We're going to check out Nicaragua next! I encountered at least eight Americans who have lived in Panama for several years and still don't speak Spanish. Nor do they plan to learn. Panamanians told us about Americans sneering at the "dumb" Panamanians in stores who don't speak English.

Driving up housing and land prices is damaging to locals who can't compete. Not to mention the egological -- oops I mean ecologocal -- destruction. Entire hillsides gouged out for gringo housing, water sources polluted, and golf courses!!!! Country Clubs!! Meanwhile, the indigenous people scrape a living out of nothing. It's heartbreaking. I can't understand how this is possible.

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This is a good article...but retirees aren't the only problem
Posted by: vangogh69 on Sep 26, 2006 7:43 PM   
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American immigration to foreign lands on the surface seems beneficial but has many unseen costs. It's ironic that there's this wish to go to Mexico for many, undoubtedly people with little connection to Mexico, Mexicans, and Mexican history then or now. I'm sure some people really do find Mexico/Mexicans beautiful and their desire to move there is entirely benevolent. However, this is the minority. These people (no offense to retirees) want to move to Mexico but you can be sure they wanna move there with all the US aminities (sp?). They want "little US" in Mexico, just like everywhere. Meanwhile, local culture is subtly erased, locals are gentrified and forced into ghettos/slums, locals have to now work 10+ hours a day just to earn a living wage because the bourgeoisie have driven the costs of living up so much, and, local government get even more detached from the voice of the people because its patronizing US citizens for their dollars (which, sorry Reaganites, never "trickles down" to the people who need it!). Here's an idea for retirees: instead of colonizing new lands (this is, if we can get past its gentle facade, neo-colonialism) why not improve life here in the US so future generations can enjoy the good life on their native soil when they retire?

Retirees moving to Mexico should not be seen in a vacuum: Mexico has many problems the majority of which have been brought by euro-american imperialism from the 16th century on. Mexico has many issues and while the coast might be pleasant, the reality of Mexico is much more complex and unlikely to attract much attention. If retirees are interested in Mexico, they should read up on the issues of Mexico, see their own (and their government's) responsiblity in the problem, then decide if their presence is an added bonus or detriment.

Just my two cents.

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Alternative Perspective on Americans in Mexico
Posted by: nbloom3@yahoo.com on Sep 26, 2006 7:57 PM   
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I am the editor of a recently published collection on Americans in Mexico since 1945 that offers a nuanced, historical approach to the nature of American life in Mexico. There are chapters on San Miguel de Allende and the Lake Chapala Riviera that would be of particular interest to this discussion group, but the collection also considers subjects such as American folk art dealers, Cancun, and the old Mexico City College.

The title is _Adventures into Mexico: American Tourism Beyond the Border_ published by Rowman and Littlefield and the Editor is Nicholas Dagen Bloom

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Rabid MAD
Posted by: The Butcher on Sep 27, 2006 12:04 AM   
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Spends his time lashing out as though chained!
Clearly has a job!
Writes clicheed English which passes off as racy. Nothing original ,just collocations pasted to insult people.
Pretends he knows Portuguese!
Ben vraiment t'es le con des cons mad.
Pas capable de decortiquer un argument!
Poor lamentable Brit hating mostly drunken keyboard onanist!
Ya viene la madrugada! Y los gallos estan cantando!
Beer Swilling Australian here!

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Not too broad a brush, now
Posted by: talkville on Sep 27, 2006 1:35 AM   
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I was born approximately 6 years after the application of highly sophisticated advances in physics, when atomic theory was applied in practice to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Therefore, I am what might be called a 'boomer'.

Not all boomers wish to live 'like kings' or rule 'estates' on the cheap or otherwise, and there are many of the younger sets well represented in southern countries settled into the importation of this great life-style of ours - the Arches, the Starbucks, the Disco, the Mall. All these trends are bound up with social, economic and political tendencies, woefully decadent, that assail us from all sides, wherever we are living and whatever our age.

This member of the 'boomer' culture prefers to stay and struggle along with the 'pop' culture for justice and equality and liberty for all right here and everywhere. Someday perhaps the booms and the pops might stop. Perhaps.

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Aren't there Americans who move overseas and live like the locals?
Posted by: JimTheAnarchist on Sep 27, 2006 5:30 AM   
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I'd hate to live in a gated community. A small house or apartment is enough. I have sworn never to buy another car; I'm fine with a bicycle. The only modern conveniences I really want are indoor plumbing and electricity.

Does anybody know what happens to people like me when they move overseas?

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bigredaries
Posted by: bigredaries on Sep 27, 2006 7:48 AM   
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they are...already spent too much time with this group....you are uninformed...

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US Corporate Takeover is the Problem, and real estate portion of this takeover is only the tip
Posted by: logansafi on Sep 27, 2006 4:13 PM   
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Walmart is Number One company in Mexico. Everywhere you go you see Carls, McDs, HEBs (a South Texas grocery chain with Bush buddy owner), and other US ops running things and taking the profits back home. I'm sure that the US condos are quite trashy in many places, but the penetration of America's corporations goes much beyond tasteless gringos retiring there.

Of course, everybody is following the flows of the dollar. Folk from Michoacan and Oaxaca go North, and Americans with and without much social security money head South. If Mexico had power and independence from DC they could and would pass Spanish-only laws, and have citizens like the Minutemen finking out old folk who didn't speak Spanish properly in public. They would round them up like dogs and complain about their overall criminality as they threw them back across the militarized, by Mexican army, Border! Chihuahua, that would be fun to see!

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Costa Rico - Live Like a King on $300.00 Per Month
Posted by: YANIRA06_66 on Sep 28, 2006 6:43 PM   
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That was the headlines in magazine advertisements in the early 1960s. I know because that was my plan. Retire from the military and head South to the land of milk and honey. I didn't plan on the White Man getting there first!

Yep, another invasion from the NorteAmericanos from the North and their special brand of destroying every economy they touch. Reminds me when I lived in Milton under Wychwood, England. As an American I enjoyed the village life and especially those juicy bar-b-que ribs from my butcher. He even threw in pig feet for nothing. Afterall, he was tossing them. The ribs cost next to nothing and I was enjoying the rib parties. That is until the White people moved in.

The first thing out of the fool's mouth was "those are cheap ribs. We can't get those in the States so meaty. How can you make money?" Well, the butcher said nothing but his ears were up. Immediately, the price of ribs went up, and all of a sudden pig feet were 3 cents each. White people have big mouths!

So I have found it funny that Mexicans are given NorteAmericanos a taste of their own medicine. They are simply swamping the U.S. and taking over the economy. Isn't that what the Northerners have done for years?

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» It is a no win for illegals Posted by: cinattra
manifest destiny
Posted by: brownie on Sep 28, 2006 8:20 PM   
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my comment is on the story about the baby boomer invasion into mexico. it was a very good story. i think the reverse can be said about the illegals coming to the north. the five states that border mexico once belonged to them. i think god knew what he was doing when he put these states as part of mexico. he knew that their population would grow and needed alot of room. now the mexicans have come back to take the land back even though it is illegal. now manifest destiny has come full circle.

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» RE: manifest destiny Posted by: cinattra
Interesting dichotomy
Posted by: jules_siegel on Sep 29, 2006 6:28 AM   
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People who actually live in Mexico seem to be posting an entirely different (respectful, mostly positive) view from those who have never been here or visit occasionally as tourists (demeaning, condescending).

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Tickled me to death, almost
Posted by: MDickson on Sep 30, 2006 6:01 AM   
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I almost fell off my chair laughing when I read this silly piece.

I am one of those Gringos who have retired to Mexico (seven years ago), and I have to wonder if the author ever has been in Mexico. He knows nothing of the Mexican culture, that is for sure.

Oh, where shall I begin?

Let me start up top with that sub-headline, or whatever it is called, in the gray box. American retirees are "taking over Mexico´s most beautiful places." No, they are not because there are far more beautiful places here than the relatively few retirees could "take over."

Which brings me to the number of us here. Certainly nothing like the 1 million the author mentions. The fact is nobody knows for sure how many of us are here, least of all the American government which toyed with the idea of trying to "census" us a couple of years ago via the U.S. Embassy. The attempt fell flat.

The Mexican government is the only entity that actually has records on this, and they estimate about 200,000, and that is a long way from a million.

Well, let us get back to the beginning of the column. Driving up real estate prices? Well, sure, that is happening in the few areas where Gringos congregate, and they do congregate because they can dodge learning Spanish that way. But the rise in real estate prices in the few popular areas is more of a problem for other Gringos than for Mexicans. You know why?

Mexicans are not mobile. They tend to stay where they were born, totally unlike Americans in this regard. So, you will find few Mexicans trying to move to Baja or San Miguel de Allende, for instance.

Okay, moving on now. We are still way up at the top of this silly column. Gringos are wreaking "ecological havoc." This is the best screamer so far. It is plain silly. When you build a housing development, land is altered, sure. Same thing happens with developments in Florida, Arizona, Montana, wherever.

There is ecological degradation in Mexico, but it is Mexicans who are doing 99 percent of it. Not Americans. Your average Mexican spends nary a nanosecond worrying about the environment. He is worrying about where his next tortilla is coming from, or where he will get the money for his child to be taken to the doctor.

Well, let us head on down into the column now.

Our author starts out ranting against the Minutemen. That lets us know the true color of this column. It is very political.

The first few paragraphs of this column about Gringos moving to Mexico is devoted to Minutemen, hate radio, Iraq, George Bush, Saddam, 9/11, etc.

Okay, okay, the sixth paragraph finally gets on topic but, alas, wrongheadedly.

"Gringo hordes," he says. Trickle is more like it, though more will surely come in the future. Many will head right back, however, because Mexico ain't what you think it is, amigos.

Here the author mentions the arrival of American chains like Burger King, Starbucks, Chilis, and Hooters. Hooters??

Yes, those and many more are spreading south. No doubt about it, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the American retirees. I live near Morelia, the capital of the state of Michoacan in the middle of Mexico. Morelia has WalMart, CostCo, Subway, Sam's Club, Burger King, and a good number of other American franchises.

But there is just a handful of Gringo retirees in Morelia, probably less than 100 in the city of about 1 million, so those Gringo chains were not sucked here by retirees.

Who frequents those Gringo chains? Well, Mexicans! WalMart and pals are chockful of Mexican customers every day, with smiles on their faces. And the employees are all Mexicans too, earning more than most Mexicans here.

Well, I am being told I have run out of space, but you get the idea.

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Don't make my values your values
Posted by: cinattra on Sep 30, 2006 11:25 PM   
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The problem with most of you posting on this topic is that you want to impose your values on a group of people that have their own values. As long as their is no violation of the law then what is the problem?

They have to live this way they have to live that way because they no longer live in the U.S. If a country's government says it is okay to be there then what is the problem?

If I move to Mexcio or wherever and refuse to learn the local language and I miss out on a better quality of life then that is my concern. Why do you have to make it your concern?

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