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If America's So Great, Where's Our Health Care?

By Sarah Ruth van Gelder and Doug Pibel, YES! Magazine. Posted September 23, 2006.


The rest of the industrialized world gets universal health care. The U.S. gets limited access at a far higher cost. It's time for Americans to get the health care system they want, and the savings that go with it.
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For Joel Segal, it was the day he was kicked out of George Washington Hospital, still on an IV after knee surgery, without insurance, and with $100,000 in medical debt. For Kiki Peppard, it was having to postpone needed surgery until she could find a job with insurance -- it took her two years. People all over the United States are waking up to the fact that our system of providing health care is a disaster.

An estimated 50 million Americans lack medical insurance, and a similar and rapidly growing number are underinsured. The uninsured are excluded from services, charged more for services, and die when medical care could save them -- an estimated 18,000 die each year because they lack medical coverage.

But it's not only the uninsured who suffer. Of the more than 1.5 million bankruptcies filed in the U.S. each year, about half are a result of medical bills; of those, three-quarters of filers had health insurance.

Businesses are suffering too. Insurance premiums increased 73 percent between 2000 and 2005, and per capita costs are expected to keep rising. The National Coalition on Health Care (NCHC) estimates that, without reform, national health care spending will double over the next 10 years. The NCHC is not some fringe advocacy group -- its co-chairs are Congressmen Robert D. Ray (R-IA) and Paul G. Rogers (D-FL), and it counts General Electric and Verizon among its members.

Employers who want to offer employee health care benefits can't compete with low-road employers who offer none. Nor can they compete with companies located in countries that offer national health insurance.

The shocking facts about health care in the United States are well known. There's little argument that the system is broken. What's not well known is that the dialogue about fixing the health care system is just as broken.

Among politicians and pundits, a universal, publicly funded system is off the table. But Americans in increasing numbers know what their leaders seem not to -- that the United States is the only industrialized nation where such stories as Joel's and Kiki's can happen.

And most Americans know why: the United States leaves the health of its citizens at the mercy of an expensive, patchwork system where some get great care while others get none at all.

The overwhelming majority -- 75 percent, according to an October 2005 Harris Poll -- want what people in other wealthy countries have: the peace of mind of universal health insurance.

A wild experiment?

Which makes the discussion all the stranger. The public debate around universal health care proceeds as if it were a wild, untested experiment -- as if the United States would be doing something never done before.

Yet universal health care is in place throughout the industrialized world. In most cases, doctors and hospitals operate as private businesses. But government pays the bills, which reduces paperwork costs to a fraction of the American level. It also cuts out expensive insurance corporations and HMO's, with their multimillion-dollar CEO compensation packages, and billions in profit. Small wonder "single payer" systems can cover their entire populations at half the per capita cost. In the United States, people without insurance may live with debilitating disease or pain, with conditions that prevent them from getting jobs or decent pay, putting many on a permanent poverty track. They have more difficulty managing chronic conditions -- only two in five have a regular doctor -- leading to poorer health and greater cost. The uninsured are far more likely to wait to seek treatment for acute problems until they become severe.

Even those who have insurance may not find out until it's too late that exclusions, deductibles, co-payments, and annual limits leave them bankrupt when a family member gets seriously ill.

In 2005, more than a quarter of insured Americans didn't fill prescriptions, skipped recommended treatment, or didn't see a doctor when sick, according to the Commonwealth Fund's 2005 Biennial Health Insurance Survey.

People stay in jobs they hate -- for the insurance. Small business owners are unable to offer insurance coverage for employees or themselves. Large businesses avoid setting up shops in the United States -- Toyota just chose to build a plant in Canada to escape the skyrocketing costs of U.S. health care.

All of this adds up to a less healthy society, more families suffering the double whammy of financial and health crises, and more people forced to go on disability. But the public dialogue proceeds as if little can be done beyond a bit of tinkering around the edges. More involvement by government would create an unwieldy bureaucracy, they say, and surely bankrupt us all. The evidence points to the opposite conclusion.


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Sarah van Gelder is Executive Editor of YES! Magazine. Doug Pibel is Managing Editor of YES!

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Posted by: rsaxto on Sep 23, 2006 12:28 AM   
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Our health care is up Cheney's ass and up the asses of all the CEOs who support him. The money wasted in our so-called health care plan is sitting in the bank accounts of the numerous economic criminals who bribe the politicians galore who suck on the tit of corruption galore. Only vote for politicians who favor single payer.

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» An explanation to Douglas Posted by: Lincoln fan
There.
Posted by: kittynboi on Sep 23, 2006 1:04 AM   
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Now, its a damn HEADLINE article. Maybe this will cause Rebel Pig to stop whining for a while.

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» RE: There. Posted by: MatthewSavage
Impossible for Serfs to pay bills
Posted by: agfusa on Sep 23, 2006 1:47 AM   
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Unfortunately, I am one of those Americans with a few thousand dollars in medical bills. It would certainly be possible to pay them off if I got a second job. However, every part-time job (we're talking sometimes $7/hour stocking jobs here) I have applied for has required a check of my credit report! However, my credit is bad because of all of my bills that I'm behind on. So, I can't get a second job because of bad credit and I can't improve my credit without getting a second job. Evidently, I'm a high risk for thievery because of my bad credit score, even though I've been in my current job for 13 years and I can pass a criminal background check and a drug test with no problem. Bankrupcy may be my only option, even though it's not the one I would prefer.

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» RE: Join the club Posted by: Gregor
The Party of Irrelevancy
Posted by: longlivecheney on Sep 23, 2006 1:56 AM   
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Its always great to see that socialism is alive and well still. You guys are still putting up a tough fight, and you deserve credit for it.

Even the Holy Grail of modern-day socialism, Sweden, is choosing to leave behind socialism. Here. Vindication.

The title says enough about the intellectual challenge Alternet and its point of view bring to the table. Todays liberals are almost completely irrelevant, and this proves it.

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» RE: The Party of Irrelevancy Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» ooh - paperwork - how scary Posted by: graylegend
» RE: Please, find me even one American Posted by: longlivecheney
» RE: Please, find me even one American Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» You're half right. Posted by: Lincoln fan
» Socialism vs. Free Enterprise Posted by: cny39316
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GE and Verizon - Save Us!
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Sep 23, 2006 3:36 AM   
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The overwhelming majority -- 75 percent, according to an October 2005 Harris Poll -- want what people in other wealthy countries have: the peace of mind of universal health insurance

When 75% of the people in a democracy want universal health care and don't get it, do you wonder why?
When one reason that we might get health care is because it'll save some industries money, doesn't that seem odd?
Does it make you think that our government might be run by and for the corporate establishment? Hmmm. Could it be?

Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative

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» RE: GE and Verizon - Save Us! Posted by: Lincoln fan
Embracing ignorance as public policy
Posted by: Moonray on Sep 23, 2006 3:47 AM   
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As evidenced by the dickcheney admirer above, our stupid "free-enterprise" approach to health care and other public needs is a product of the good ol' boy mentality that prevails in our two main political parties.

Increasingly, our society reflects the ignorance, intolerance and self-obsession of the politically active white middle class rather than our society as a whole. Oddly, thanks to expert media skills by Republicans (Fox News, etc.) our most oppressed and exploited people often vote against their own interests!

They do so because, like the dickcheney lover above, they swallow the myths and distortions pumped out by conservative politicians and media. It's sad, but I don't see the situation improving any time soon. America will continue to decline, both as a society and a superpower. Europe and China will simply leave us behind to wallow in our conservative trough.

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A form of genocide for the poor?
Posted by: justaperson on Sep 23, 2006 3:54 AM   
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Hey who really cares if there are uninsured people here at home? Who cares if they are going bankrupt from medical bills or dying for lack of care? Most of the people who are uninsured or underinsured are poor, not dirt poor mind you, but the working poor. Who needs them anyway? Businesses can get workers from other countries cheaper. Most of these people are rabble rousers anyway. All decent Americans have good joibs that give them ample coverage. These people are whiners and our country would be btter off without them. All they want is a handout from Washington. Some are probably illegals anyway. I say let the damn wretched things die. The fewer minorities we have the better anyway.

P.S. I'M ONLY KIDDING FOLKS . IF YOU THINK THIS WAY YOU ARE NOT A PATRIOT AMERICAN. CHANCES ARE YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN OR AN IGNORANT REDNECK.

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Born in another country.
Posted by: heid on Sep 23, 2006 4:37 AM   
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I was born in another country, and though I lived virtually my entire life in the U.S. (well over 50 years) and was born with U.S. citizenship, I count my blessings for being born elsewhere. I got sick in the U.S. - an iatrogenic illness with horrific pain, no treatment of any sort. I held good insurance and was financially well off (not rich, but in good shape). But after being unable to work and getting nothing from the country I'd worked in and voted in (liberally, I must add) my entire life, I realized that there was no choice but to take advantage of my foreign birth.

In spite of good insurance and many thousands of dollars, I was nearly wiped out. The health system wanted nothing to do with me. After all, they'd caused my illness and refused to even do research on it. My insurance cost me a huge amount every month and paid for only a portion of my hospital and doctor costs, and none of my medication costs, which amounted to $1,000-2,000 per month.

I count my blessings at being able to say that I no longer live in the United States.

But for one of me, there are thousands of others who do not have the insurance I did, who do not have the financial resources I had (though mine are now gone as a result of the illness), and who do not have the out that I did. My heart goes out to them.

So, I continue to keep in touch with what's going on and help fight this battle. It is pure greed, greed untouched by any hint of humanity, that allows this situation to continue in the United States. At this point, I think that nothing short of revolution is going to change things.

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» RE: Ya Posted by: Gregor
More than just an insurance crisis
Posted by: ilsewdm on Sep 23, 2006 5:38 AM   
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Not only do many Americans lack insurance coverage, we are also lied to about what makes us ill (or what would keep us healthy). I strongly recommend reading T. Colin Campbell's book "The China Study". Start by reading the readers' comments on Amazon.com.
I have excellent insurance as I am a retired civil servant. I had cancer 4 years ago, but have not even paid my $100 deductibe so far this year. Just got one $82.50 blood test to make sure my liver is doing alright. Prevention is the key to good health.

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Common Cause
Posted by: constantreader on Sep 23, 2006 5:57 AM   
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Single-payer healthcare would make our nation more economically competative in two ways: first, we, too, can offer other countries a base in a major market without high insurance costs (I've heard others comment that we lose many foreign plants to Canada for that reason); second, there are many middle-aged professionals with lots of knowledge and experience and a yen to open their own companies stuck working for someone else for the health insuance. These people could open a whole new avenue of jobs and markets if they could escape.

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» RE: Common Cause Posted by: constantreader
» RE: Common Cause Posted by: constantreader
I know a woman....
Posted by: ellie on Sep 23, 2006 6:04 AM   
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who became ill from side effects of medication prescribed after life saving surgery
she lost her job due to diagnosis of a new, fatal if not treated disease from the medication

her employer offered her COBRA, but the premimum was more then all of her savings or othere assets combined so she was not able to pay for the coverage

her life became a patchwork of charity donations for meds to stay alive and unpaid ER bills

no one would hire her because of bad credit from medical bills including 'would you like fries with that ma'm?'

she was able to start a small business from home fron the help of friends but barely was able to pay for food and rent, but it was better then nothing

she had a college degree that had provided her with a decent but plain life before the surgery and medical insurance. she did not go for cars, homes, stuff but lived simply debt free.

the best offer she had from insurers as an individual was with the pre-existing condition clause, she would pay her premimum for 12 months and have to be treatment and symptom free during that time for coverage to kick in, at the end of 12 months. she will never be symptom free again in her life

she applied for SSI disability and was found to be able to work "...in a non public setting without customer or other employee contact that requires no physical activity such as walking or verbal communication such as telephone contact with customers" she appealed 3 times and lost

she had no children under 18 so she didn't qualify for medicaid

she had a relapse, from no fault of her own and wound up in the ER again, and discharged

the cops found her dead at home, a rented room in another person's home 5 hours later

this is america! and this is no joke or urban legend, but a woman I knew personally!

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» RE:email Michael Moore Posted by: Gregor
» RE: I know a woman.... Posted by: Linda50
» You could be me Posted by: Lizmv
Been there done that
Posted by: peppercorn on Sep 23, 2006 6:03 AM   
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I've worked 40 yrs in the health care industry, the last 7 of which I did not have access to it. I haven't had insurance now for 12 yrs. I now face thyroid cancer and no way to treat it other than bankrupting my 84 y/o mother. I choose to die. Oh, wait a minute. That's not a choice. I just don't have any others available. Gee, I used to wonder why so many poor people made such poor choices. Now I get it.

The whole downward spiral started in 1973 with DRG's implemented by Medicare. Since I was so young and politically naive at the time, I didn't get what was happening at the time. Besides it didn't affect the way I lived. I was young and healthy then. (DRG is diagnosis related groups) The politicians under advice from the bureaucrats decided how much they would pay for ea diagnosis, never mind that the elderly usually have more than one thing wrong that gets knocked for a loop when something else went wrong. It didn't take long before the insurance cos followed suit, Blue Cross being the first to jump on the band wagon.

DRGs led to "managed care" and HMOs. Now we have suits practicing medicine w/o a license, dictating to real drs who they can treat and w/ what!

I have a cousin who has lived in Canada for decades now. She too has had to move home to care for aging parents. She can't wait to get back "home" to get good health care again. You'll never hear that from corporate media in this country. According to national media, we have it better than anyone else in the world. BS!

Does anyone remember how afraid politicians were to go after the tobacco industry? Just think of all those tobacco farmers who would lose their livelyhood, all those cig factory workers who would lose their jobs. The impact on the economy would just be to great. Where are we now?

Look at all the hurricane victims. The insurance cos are covering their profits nitpicking about wind v water damage. Insurance and the administration of it is what's keeping health care costs too damned high for everyone.

You want to reform health care in this country? Try going nekked for a while. Don't buy insurance. Cancel all your policies. File banckruptcy when you suffer catastrophic health care costs. Revolt! We poor folks can't. We're just . . . .

Born to die.

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» This is really sick. Posted by: medstudgeek
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» RE: This is really sick. Posted by: Colton
Health Care and Quality of Life in US
Posted by: Dianka on Sep 23, 2006 6:14 AM   
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One should note, too, that since the repeal of welfare, the US now has the WORST levels of poverty out of all industrialized nations. This does, indeed, reflect the values of our government.
The quality of life has dramatically declined in the US over the past decade, to levels well below that of other industrialized nations.
Just a reminder: As a result of shredding our social safety net, from welfare to affordable health care to affordable housing, the US is in direct violation of the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights---that international document that we celebrated a few years ago but that, in fact, the US refused to ratify.

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» Its called FASCISM! Posted by: Cathyc
» RE:2: Its called FASCISM! Posted by: Cathyc
I know a guy...
Posted by: suegei on Sep 23, 2006 6:17 AM   
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who worked in the constuction industry, self-employed. he used to complain about his hemorrhoids. finally he presented himself at a local ER for help, and was told he had rectal cancer. he is waiting for the end in a rented house (without paying rent, thanks to the compassion of the property owner.) I understand his sister is caring for him. he is over 6' tall and now weighs less than 100 pounds.

they tell us the secret of surviving cancer is 'early detection'. no one tells us how the 'working poor' can afford the medical care that make early detection possible.

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I WOULD LIKE TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE YES MAGAZINE WEBSITE
Posted by: rebel_pig on Sep 23, 2006 6:32 AM   
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Well, now this is perhaps the THIRD universal healthcare story I have seen at the top of the Alternet site. The third story in an ENTIRE YEAR. And not one story on progressive taxation.

Why do I care? Because I would like to live in a leftist nation. Leftism is a political culture that bases its operation on the axiom that the nation is the property of the working people, and that therefore those people should come first. That doesn't necessarily mean socialism, but whatevermix of capitalism and socialism works best.

In order to make America more leftist, you need to change its culture. Its present culture is one that was forged in the mean pit of indentured and chattel slavery of the 17th century. THe fruit don't fall too far from the tree, and our present meanspirited culture is one that was born of the exploitation of European indentured slaves and african indentured and chattel slaves in the mid atlantic colonies during the 1600s and 1700s.

In order to get America to where Sweden, France, et al., now are, we need to show the bulk of America what Leftism really is, and what its benefits are. Progressive taxation and universal healthcare are the basis of leftism and those ideas are what will start America on its journey left. The "lifestyle leftism" (aka FakeLeftism) that you posters here at Alternet hold so dear is not something that can change America. It is something that is a twisted product of the nonprofits that the rich set up and fund. Your lifestyle leftism, your fakeLeftism, is something that was evolved over decades by elite money so that the bulk of America, the whites that now mainly vote for the GOP, would be alienated from populist economics Leftism, aka TrueLeftism. TrueLeftism starts with universal healthcare and progressive taxation. You fakeLefties point to the antiwar, progressive attitudes of Sweden, et al., and you ask why white American GOP voters cannot be more like them. Well, you can't get there until you set the stage with universal healthcare and progressive taxation. Growing a Leftist culture is not something that you can FORCE onto people. That is what you all are trying to do with fakeleftism. But you have to GROW it. Growing a culture takes time and effort, and money. And the fertilizer is trueleftist populist economics that start with universal healthcare and progressive taxation.

That is why everyday on sites like Alternet, there should be multiple stories on universal healthcare and progressive taxation. But I see maybe a five stories a year out of more than 1000 stories at the top of Alternet. 5 out of more than 1000. Do the math.

Now I would like to turn your attention to the magazine that originally wrote the story that constitutes this article at the top. As quoted from that website, Yes magazine is published by Positive Futures Network, "an independent, nonprofit organization supporting people’s active engagement in creating a just, sustainable, and compassionate world."

This nonprofit organization was almost certainly bootstrapped by a grant from another nonprofit that was ultimately funded by the rich or by corporations. You want to know how I know that? I can tell by looking that photos at the top of that website I like to above. Look at those photos again at top of the Yes magazine website. What sort of people are depicted there? I see mostly women and racial minorities. And every other fakeLeft website funded by nonprofits is the same. This is one of the ways how the ruling class alienates whites and white males from economics Leftism. The articles on the sites are QUITE economic Leftism. Lots of stuff about universal healthcare, and there are also articles on lifestyle leftism.
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» Beat them down with Diebold tools Posted by: eddie torres
Nursing is at a crisis along with the health care system
Posted by: Ed of Dayton on Sep 23, 2006 7:37 AM   
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My girlfriend is an RN and she tells me over and over how here in Dayton, Ohio the nursing shortage hasn't hit us yet, but the overall treatment of health is crappy. She gets overworked having to look over four or five patients while doing paperwork and expected to meet every patient. Some nights she can reach every patient with the basics; there are some where she cannot and it is a struggle to even get the paperwork together. The hospital she works in boast of being a leader, but truthfully it is a glorified hotel where the stay is either a day and out or more. And let's not even get started with the ER situation.

As for me, I haven't seen my doctor in five years or so simply because I can't even afford the benefits. The cost of healthcare is off the chain and what kills me more than anything else is if you don't have the money you are screwed. My girlfriend had a burn on her chest during a barbacue and had to go in for some emergency help. I found out last night it cost her $7,000 for all the treatment--ER visit and tools plus the overnight stay in the burn unit (she's much better by the way). Thank God she's a nurse and can pay for "some" of it. The cost is out of control.

We keep conversing over and over about moving our family to Canada for the healthcare (among other things) because we've simply don't think our leaders in either federal or state positions don't have our best interest in mind. I love this country, we all do, but it breaks my heart to know we have to be "positioned" to get any type of healthcare. I'm in my early 40s and even trying to get basic check up like colon and prostate care along with other issues is off the table because I can't afford a doctor who could give me a basic check up.

Ed
Dayton, Ohio

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Healthcare as a business.
Posted by: Jersey Devil on Sep 23, 2006 8:32 AM   
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The problem with healthcare goes beyond the insurance companies financially feasting on our desire to be healthy. Let's face it, the less insurance companies pay out in claims the fatter their profits which should explain the constant upward trending in profits with fewer people having coverage. Then there are the not for profit healthcare providers that keep patient fees high to enjoy inflated high dollar executive rich bureaucracies. Here in New Jersey the average Hospital CEO makes well over $1,000,000 annually. Meanwhile hands-on care providers make less than people making hamburgers at McDonalds. The real money in healthcare goes to the top executives. The plan of spend increasingly more on US healthcare and receive less and less will not work forever. When the bird flu finally makes it to the USA, the death toll will be in the millions due to the current healthcare system's inability to deal with disaster. The first to go will come from the 45 million men, women, and children without health insurance. So much for compassionate conservatisim and the Republican Torture Party.

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75% is not enough
Posted by: CJC on Sep 23, 2006 8:43 AM   
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The fact that 75% of Americans think our health insurance system is broken doesn't seem to be enough yet. We need a majority enraged enough to get active and engaged.

I assume 'graylegend' has good health insurance and good health. Nothing wakes people up better than having a health insurance disaster in their face - some disaster of their own or of someone they love and care about.

A few years ago my husband and I were in Paris. Just before we left the US he had a small cyst on his back removed. It wasn't healing right and we were concerned. On the advice of American friends living in France we went to a pharmacy near our hotel. The pharmacist looked at my husband's lesion, pronounced it "pas jolie" (not pretty) and advised us to go to a little hospital in the next block. We walked in at my husband explained his problem at the reception desk. They sent us upstairs to a clinic. He explained his problem again, they asked for 20 euros, less than $25, and told him to sit and wait. In less than 45 minutes a doctor examined him and prescribed an antiobiotic and soaking treatments. This is what single payer health can get you.

Where in the US can you get such fast service - even from your own MD? The whole process took not 2 hours start to finish.
Paul Krugman addressed much of this in his column in the NYTimes yesterday, Sept 22.
http://select.nytimes.com/2006/09/22/opinion/22krugman.html

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USA IS AN UNHEALTHY STATE!!!
Posted by: Cathyc on Sep 23, 2006 9:16 AM   
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America is a totally unhealthy SICK country. Thats why MOST Americans believe in the myth that they can't live without health insurance. "Gotta have two boring jobs just to pay for my health insurance" How dumb is that!

The American health-insurance business is nothing but a racket, but the vast majority of Americans can't see that because they're sooooo stupid!

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Show our crooked system for what it is.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Sep 23, 2006 9:21 AM   
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It is time to kick anybody out of elected office who refuses to back universal healthcare. It is time to embarrass them publicly with ads that tell the truth about who these legislators (and our president and VICE president) are beholding to in the private healthcare sector.

It is as simple as that. Nothing will change as long as these self-serving politicians are paid off by healthcare corporations while the public is kept in the dark about just how badly it has been betrayed by its "leaders."

A little television and radio advertising can go a long way – and can be the electronic equivalent of being pilloried in the public square. It's time to give our legislators' what they deserve, and make their failures and criminality a very visible public record.

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The single most important domestic issue of our time
Posted by: mac macgillicuddy on Sep 23, 2006 9:39 AM   
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The war and disastrous foreign policy remain critical issues, and I suppose immigration has some importance, as do certain other issues in current social and political debates -- but this one must be viewed as the single most important issue of the upcoming election.

Keep asking your local candidates -- not just where they stand on the issue, but HOW they are going to act to change the status quo when they get elected. Any candidate who doesn't have a plan is out of touch. I dare say, he or she should also be out of the race.

And, I'll add, that responses like the one I got from my Senator, Joe Lieberman, about how he supported health care portability or some other slothfully evolutionary change, which only addresses people who already HAVE a way to pay, are not plans. We need disruptive change to the system on a macro level. Ask the question of every candidate. This is not necessarily a national issue; it's a state and a local issue, as well. In a civilized, advanced society, it is not a political but a moral issue.

Incidentally, I am self employed and can afford insurance, but I still don't have it because I have a "pre-existing condition"--I take blood pressue medicine! That's all it took for the corporate insurers to decide I am too big of a risk. Another example of why the current system of how medical costs are addressed and paid is broken. We can't expect corporations who have to answer to stock holders to take on the unmitigated risk of agreeing to pay for people who are sure to need it. Why should they? The system needs to be completely rethought and revamped by people capable of thinking differently.

So ask, demand answers, and challenge any lazy thought that isn't a new approach. Remember, this is the single most important domestic issue of our time.

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If Socialized Medical Care is So Bad, Why Does Everyone Have It?
Posted by: sofla100 on Sep 23, 2006 10:27 AM   
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Look, I have seen the articles about Sweden and some of the Western European countries that are heavily socialized. Perhaps they want to modify some things, but NONE of them wants to repeal socialized medical care. At the most, they ALL want the state to provide protections to the worker. Let's be honest now, America is EXACTLY the opposite. We have little or no worker protections, no socialized medical care, virtually no welfare. And, all of our state spending goes to the military and national secruity establishments. Saying the Europeans are not satisifed with socialism therefore is saying somebody with a Lamborgini believes they could get by with a BMW. In America, all we have now are broken down Fords.

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No Matter The Problem:We Are The Blame
Posted by: D-of-G on Sep 23, 2006 10:33 AM   
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In the American body politic, we like to think of ourselves as being part of a great political system, which is true. However, a political system is only as great as the body politic itself. For in a democracy, the fundamental element that makes it work for everyone is that we all aspire to benefit ourselves, but not at the expense of the "general welfare" of the people. This understated code of conduct is relevant whether it's between individuals, corporations, the government and any other micro-cultures. In other words, what is good for one, in terms of basic necessities and prosperity, is good for all, thus good for the state- e.g. a good education, an opportunity to a beneficial vocation and a good health care system etc.

Unfortunately, liberty, as practiced by so many within this nation means "do whatever you want to do." And for some, it means "do what you want, for your own self interest, no matter the harm, as long as it's "legal." This is why we need a million laws and a million lawyers to "orchestrate" them, in order to protect ourselves...from each other! So we can speak, in glowing terms, about the superiority of our political system and how "free" we are, but we are not free from the Law of "cause and effect."

For "WE THE PEOPLE" are the cause. The government and the corporations are a reflection of how WE think. If we want to change the status quo, all we have to do is change our thinking. That means educating ourselves beyond our diplomas. It means to stop seeing our interest, and the interest of others, in a biased and disconnected way. That means to stop having this "love affair" with politicians who merely package slogans, sympathetic to our prejudices and fears, in order to have us, unknowingly, vote against our own welfare.

It's really simple. "We are the government!" But our representatives won't get it together, because WE WON'T GET IT TOGETHER! We are the United States of America. But we won't ever reach our full potential and benefit until we become the United "STATE" of America!

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Who has the best health care plan in the World?
Posted by: mom'z the word on Sep 23, 2006 11:02 AM   
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Members of Congress the President of the United States. They want for nothing. They have health, dental, optic, the whole ball of wax. Who pays for that? Are they covered if they have pre-existing conditions? Yes of course they are. Are they ever refused access or treatment for any reason? No, of course they aren't. I want that plan. If they have it then it must already exist. Premuims don't seem to be a problem. Access to the best care America has to offer is available to them no questions asked. That sounds like the best plan to me. I don't hear any Congress people or the President complaining about their coverage or rising premuim cost or care facility. So, whatever plan they have, it is good enough for me. Sign me up. How do I get on the plan? I suggest that Congress sign seal and deliver their health care plan, the one they have, to the America people before the upcoming election. I know this seems rather sudden but I am sure if they want to keep their jobs it will happen. I have decided that this is what I am going to base my vote on. It is simply for me. No bill, no signature, no vote. And the wording does not have to be 100 pages long. All it has to say is Congress's health care plan is now available to every citizen in the United States. Funding? Easy who pays for Congress's health care?

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Opinion of America has drastically changed