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Imagine the Twin Towers Hadn't Fallen on 9/11

By Tom Engelhardt, The Nation and TomDispatch.com. Posted September 9, 2006.


What if there had been no giant cloud of destruction capable of bringing to mind the look of "the day after," no images of crumbling towers worthy of Independence Day?
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We knew it was coming. Not, as conspiracy theorists imagine, just a few top officials among us, but all of us -- and not for weeks or months, but for more than half a century before September 11, 2001.

That's why, for all the shock, it was, in a sense, so familiar. Americans were already imagining versions of September 11 soon after the dropping of the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima on August 6, 1945. That event set the American imagination boiling. Within weeks of the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, as scholar Paul Boyer has shown, all the familiar signs of nuclear fear were already in place -- newspapers were drawing concentric circles of atomic destruction outward from fantasy Ground Zeroes in American cities, and magazines were offering visions of our country as a vaporized wasteland, while imagining millions of American dead.

And then, suddenly, one clear morning it seemed to arrive -- by air, complete with images of the destruction of the mightiest monuments to our power, and (just as previously experienced) as an onscreen spectacle. At one point that day, it could be viewed on more than thirty channels, including some never previously involved with breaking news, and most of the country was watching.

Only relatively small numbers of New Yorkers actually experienced 9/11: those at the tip of Manhattan or close enough to watch the two planes smash into the World Trade Center towers, to watch (as some schoolchildren did) people leaping or falling from the upper floors of those buildings, to be enveloped in the vast cloud of smoke and ash, in the tens of thousands of pulverized computers and copying machines, the asbestos and flesh and plane, the shredded remains of millions of sheets of paper, of financial and office life as we know it. For most Americans, even those like me who were living in Manhattan, 9/11 arrived on the television screen. This is why what leapt to mind -- and instantaneously filled our papers and TV reporting -- was previous screen life, the movies.

In the immediate aftermath of the attacks, the news was peppered with comments about, thoughts about, and references to films. Reporters, as Caryn James wrote in the New York Times that first day, "compared the events to Hollywood action movies"; as did op-ed writers ("The scenes exceeded the worst of Hollywood's disaster movies"); columnists ("On TV, two national landmarksÖ look like the aftermath in the film Independence Day"); and eyewitnesses ("It was like one of them Godzilla movies"; "And then I saw an explosion straight out of The Towering Inferno"). Meanwhile, in an irony of the moment, Hollywood scrambled to excise from upcoming big- and small-screen life anything that might bring to mind thoughts of 9/11, including, in the case of Fox, promotion for the premiere episode of 24, in which "a terrorist blows up an airplane." (Talk about missing the point!)

In our guts, we had always known it was coming. Like any errant offspring, Little Boy and Fat Man, those two atomic packages with which we had paid them back for Pearl Harbor, were destined to return home someday. No wonder the single, omnipresent historical reference in the media in the wake of the attacks was Pearl Harbor or, as screaming headlines had it, INFAMY, or A NEW DAY OF INFAMY. We had just experienced "the Pearl Harbor of the 21st Century," or, as R. James Woolsey, former CIA director (and neocon), said in the Washington Post that first day, "It is clear now, as it was on December 7, 1941, that the United States is at war.Ö The question is: with whom?"

The Day After

No wonder that what came instantly to mind was a nuclear event. No wonder, according to a New York Times piece, Tom Brokaw, then chairing NBC's nonstop news coverage, "may have captured it best when he looked at videotape of people on a street, everything and everyone so covered with ashÖ [and said] it looked ëlike a nuclear winter in lower Manhattan.'" No wonder the Tennessean and the Topeka Capital-Journal both used the headline "The Day After," lifted from a famous 1983 TV movie about nuclear Armageddon.

No wonder the area where the two towers fell was quickly dubbed "Ground Zero," a term previously reserved for the spot where an atomic explosion had occurred. On September 12, for example, the Los Angeles Times published a full-page series of illustrations of the attacks on the towers headlined: "Ground Zero." By week's end, it had become the only name for "the collapse site," as in a September 18 New York Times headline, "Many Come to Bear Witness at Ground Zero."


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Tom Engelhardt, editor of Tomdispatch.com, is co-founder of the American Empire Project and author of The End of Victory Culture.

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3000 died on 9-11. Who cares? The real apocalypse is the 18000 who die every year from no healthcare
Posted by: rebel_pig on Sep 9, 2006 12:24 AM   
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See how the fakeleft and the Right collaborate to mold the political culture by using the 911 imagery to create political expectation, to mold the political debate?

Why don't they ever mention that the 3000 who died on 9-11 are small potatoes compared to the 18000 who die every year who would not have died had they lived in any other western nation? Those 18000 die every year for lack of basic healthcare. There is your real apocalypse.

But those who control our institutions do not want universal healthcare for Americans. Oh no, that would take power from the capital class and give it to the laboring class.

And it looks like FakeLeft outfits like Alternet are in on the ruling class game. Look how the FakeLeft will ALL OVER this WTC 911 thing this 5 year anniversary.

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» All true...but... :- Posted by: Golightly
what if
Posted by: rsaxto on Sep 9, 2006 12:44 AM   
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And the big what if is: what if the Bushies planned and created the whole thing including explosive charges to bring the buildings down for sure and for maximum video effect and for maximum propaganda value then and into the future? And what if whistleblower(s) corroberated this ugly scenario? The jig would be up and the Bushies would be in jail. That's both scary and righteous. Secrets do not last forever.

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» Secrets do not last forever Posted by: Lloyd Drako
» RE: Secrets do not last forever Posted by: leftylawyer
» I hardly know where to begin Posted by: Lloyd Drako
» Lloyd: I know where to begin Posted by: kogwonton
» RE: Lloyd: I know where to begin Posted by: ConnecttheDots
» RE: the inside job Posted by: Smiggsy
The Liberal Misinformation About 9-11
Posted by: johndoraemi on Sep 9, 2006 1:47 AM   
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It doesn't surprise me that The Nation Magazine (or Alternet) published this article so prominently (and long and boring, but that's not the main beef).

The Nation has a CIA man on its editorial board, by the name of Max Holland. Max Holland also writes for the CIA's own website, and he has a long and disreputable history of fabricating "KGB" links to the John F. Kennedy assassination.

But let's examine the disinformation or (misinformation, depending upon the motives/knowledge of the author) strategy of this article:

1) Discredit "conspiracy theories." As Gore Vidal has pointed out, we take it on faith that there just are no conspiracies in American life.

2) Reinforce the "new Pearl Harbor" myth repeatedly, comparing the 9-11 attacks to the Japanese attacks repeatedly, in almost every conceivable manner.

3) Ignore the real 9-11 evidence of government complicity (standard operating procedure) and redirect attention to the cold war, nuclear arms, Iraq, the 9-11 memorial, movies, anything that avoids looking at that day's events.

Now, this should all be obvious after 5 years of media spin that defends the unelected and criminal Bush regime automatically.

But sadly, across the "alternative" media there has been the same defense of Bush regarding 9-11, even as they attempt to bash Bush on other issues.

This legitimizes his most criminal and treasonous regime. We should not be talking about elections, but about impeachment, arrest, war crimes trials, the rescuing of our dying Republic from outright tyrants.

I like to keep the focus of 9-11 on conspiracy FACT, not fiction.

When the author above talks about, "the fact that the Bush administration was looking for nothing like such an attack," he's either lying, ignorant, or he believes the massive lies told by the Bushies themselves, known liars of Goebbel's proportions.

And I can prove it with -- not a "fact" that is really an opinion -- but with a hard core fact that personally affected the president.

I'm talking about the Genoa G-8 summit, July 20 of 2001. There is where Italian officials were informed of an alleged "Al Qaeda plot to assassinate Bush and other world leaders" (September 27, 2001, LA Times)

Bush was literally moved from a high rise hotel (target) to a low rise building with no unique signature to home in on. Anti-aircraft missile batteries were stationed around Genoa because the known method of attack was to be a hijacked commercial airliner. Bush did not stay with any other world leaders.

Are we all to pretend that this never happened?

Because the Secret Service did nothing at all to secure the president from assassination after not one, but two Manhattan skyscrapers were attacked by hijacked commercial jets.

They left Bush in a publicly announced photo op, at great risk, IF the 9-11 attacks were an unknown surprise, as claimed.

For 20 minutes, Bush sat reading about a Pet Goat instead of DEFENDING THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FROM WHAT THEY NOW CALL AN "ACT OF WAR."

All the while, the FACT of a July warning about a "known Al Qaeda plot to assassinate Bush" has been known to the secret service, the president and his entire entourage.

Does this pass the smell test?

Not in the least.

The ignorant read this stuff, and defensively reach for the first straw that pops into their head: What motive would they have for leaving Bush there?

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» To stall for time. Posted by: johndoraemi
» RE: To stall for time. Posted by: lively56
» Stop the BS! Posted by: Mycos
» RE: Stop the BS! Posted by: leftylawyer
» Never before? Posted by: Mycos
» RE: Stop the BS! Posted by: Lloyd Drako
» No problems here. Posted by: Mycos
» RE: Stop the BS! Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» Challenge? Posted by: Mycos
» You talkin' to me? Posted by: johndoraemi
» Mr Posted by: Mycos
» Smell this Posted by: Mycos
» There's a lot of love Posted by: fifthworld
need to know
Posted by: rsaxto on Sep 9, 2006 3:27 AM   
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We need to know the whole truth whatever it is. If we do not get the whole truth from at least one reliable source then we are headed straight toward genuine and ugly and immoral fascism.

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» RE: need to know Posted by: cuja1
» Consider the possibility Posted by: Lloyd Drako
» Sorry Kate Posted by: Lloyd Drako
» Period Posted by: Mycos
» not exactly Posted by: harris
» RE: Sorry Kate Posted by: harris
U.S.A is a nation crumbling like the WTC
Posted by: mat38 on Sep 9, 2006 4:29 AM   
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We are on fire from above. There is no way to escape. Global climate change will wreak havoc over the planet while our Pentagon and Military Industrial Complex - the real government - wage wars, arm the world, ignore the broken infrastructure hear at home, destroy others like our proxy military force Israel has done in Lebanon. We, us, the U.S.A. are the shame of the earths recorded history of people. We consume the vast majority of the world rescources and create the vast majority of the worlds pollution. Yet, we care almost not at all for the health of our own citizens so why would anyone expect better from us around the world. The world will one day turn agaisnt us out of need for survival and we desreve it for allowing "American" corporations to rape the earth and resources of the earth, including labor for your Walmart and Macy's t-shirts and everything you own. There's so much we have done wrong, we are evil, of there is such a thing.

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» Yehh! Posted by: fifthworld
WHAT IF THE TOWERS HAD NOT FALLEN !!!
Posted by: Christie on Sep 9, 2006 5:07 AM   
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Yes, imagine if the Twin Towers hadn't come down even though two airplanes flew into them causing balls of fire (large towers had never been brought down by fire before). Physicist Steven Jones has published an article (it’s online) based on one and one-half years of laboratory research in which he states that the chemical thermite was used in controlled demolition to cause the buildings to implode and collapse at free fall speed, not to pancake. According to a Zogby poll, 42 % of Americans (plus 10 % “not sure”) believe that the US government and its 9/11 Commission concealed or refused to investigate critical evidence that contradicts their official explanation of the September 11th attacks, saying there has been a cover-up.

What if Americans in overwhelming numbers demanded a new, impartial investigation by a panel of the best available experts who have no political agenda?

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» Just count them Posted by: Mycos
» RE: Just count them Posted by: Lloyd Drako
» Watch the video Posted by: Mycos
» I seem to recall from Anthro 101 Posted by: Lloyd Drako
» RE: I seem to recall from Anthro 101 Posted by: bansidh@citlink.net
» Brunowe, you are yet another Posted by: Lloyd Drako
» Or.... Posted by: Mycos
"If" is for children
Posted by: ISlamIslam on Sep 9, 2006 6:06 AM   
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The towers fell. Deal with it.

Also, since when is concern about horrible deaths or the inequities of life a zero-sum game? I can care about those who died on 9/11 AND care about those who die because of no health insurance. It's called being able to hold two thoughts in your head at once.

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» RE: "If" is for children Posted by: channing
» RE: "If" is for children Posted by: ISlamIslam
surprise?
Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming on Sep 9, 2006 6:34 AM   
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My first reaction to the attacks was "The shoe finally has dropped" because it was an eruption much presaged by rumbling and small quakes, not least the first attack on the WTC. My second was, "Now will the U.S. pay any attention to the way we're perceived in the world or at least try to understand why people might *think* their actions are justified?"

Silly me, I didn't realize that it was because we're free. I thought it might have been because we're arrogant, bullied other countries, and have long forgotten Teddy Roosevelt's "Speak softly and carry a big stick."

I didn't think we needed to apologize to anyone, just do a little quiet soul-searching and self-analysis.

Incidentally, a friend of mine said the most prescient thing I've ever heard at about 10 AM that morning: "There go our civil rights."

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» No unfortunately... Posted by: Mycos
» Apparently the best way Posted by: fifthworld
What if.....Indeed!
Posted by: janenj on Sep 9, 2006 7:05 AM   
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It has been interesting to read the comments to this piece by Tom E. As baby boomers we not only watched endless horror movies about radiation damage or alien attack we also were taught to duck under our desks in the case of an nuclear attack. Of course, the most powerful aspect of that strategy was that it put fear deeply inside our consciousness. Fear has been the primary tool for the Bush administration and I suspect without even knowing it ,we who despise his tactics have some old primal fears residing in our brains learned from long ago. However, because we were raised under the spectre of nuclear annihilation it has been hard for many of us to swallow the notion that we were invincible, that we could not be hit. Who really in their heart of hearts could harbor such infantile thoughts? Everything changed. Give me a break. Everything is always changing. Human history, if any one still pays any attention to it,is a pretty grim read, we're not the most warm and fuzzy critters on the planet, never have been probably never will be. What fantasy have Americans bought into and why?My what if about 9/11 is, what if Bush and his gang had actually insisted that Americans cut back their use of oil by at least half; maybe instituted some kind of national car pool plan or give up one day of driving a week commitment;keep those thermostats down and use ac sparingly. What if they had given us some goal to focus on to cut back our dependence on oil so significantly that new sources of energy would now be commonplace? Look at how quickly we mobilized after Pearl Harbor, that is still an entirely miraculous story, most Americans didn't really want to get involved until that moment and after PH the mobilization effort was simply extraordinary, Rosie the Riveter included. Imagine if we had been given that charge, to mobilize all our talent and imagination to remake our world, and to get out of the Middle East. We'd have started cleaning up the planet, we'd have created a new less materialistic center to our lives, we'd be energized and would deserve to be proud of our efforts. But no, Bush tells us to go shopping. Good Grief Charlie Brown, how stupid was that?

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» False Flag Operations and Fear Posted by: Christie
» RE: What if.....Indeed! Posted by: ConnecttheDots
» RE: What if.....Indeed! Posted by: Smiggsy
If the towers hadn't fallen ...
Posted by: Loopylafae on Sep 9, 2006 7:12 AM   
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..then Cheney et all would've gotten busted for the trillions they has misappropriated for aipac ( & for which the evidence could be found IN the towers ) and so the admin would've been boiled in a hot & public soup......If the towers hadn't fallen, there wouldn't have been a "need" for the un-Patriot act ...nor a very profitable ( for the elites in power ) war ...If the towers hadn't fallen, the sheeple might not have reduced their brain capacity to fear & reaction ...in short, if the towers hadn't fallen, those currently in power wouldn't be --which is precisely WHY they DID@!

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Targets
Posted by: DoctorAndy on Sep 9, 2006 7:25 AM   
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It would be well if our efforts were directed toward giving justice not billion$ to Larry Silverstein rather than persecution of 911 truthers like Stephen Jones. The American corporate media through its constant reinforcement of the 911 lie is creating a disfunctional, split-personality nation...half informed and half disinformed.

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» Truthseekers are Kooks Posted by: Mycos
» RE: Targets Posted by: Lloyd Drako
» More crap from Mycos Posted by: fifthworld
Is Englehardt saying
Posted by: daw13 on Sep 9, 2006 7:33 AM   
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(1) The Administration really really needed the towers to come down, not just be messed up.
(2) Maybe it was just good luck that the Administration got what it needed,
(3) And maybe it wasn't?

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IMAGINE
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Sep 9, 2006 7:39 AM   
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Everything all around the world suddenly stopped on 9/11. No one anywhere knew what to do. At long last, it was us they were all talking about. I found clippings I saved and there's one from PRAVDA (Russia 9/12/01.) "U.S. retribution acts are inevitible. Without them there will be no George Bush Jr. Admin.The retribution should fall on the concrete culprits"said Dmitry Rogozin. We can read today's paper and see what he meant. It never was Iraq. Thanks, ANNA

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» RE: IMAGINE Posted by: fifthworld
davidslesinger
Posted by: davidslesinger on Sep 9, 2006 8:26 AM   
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Praise for the mention of the anthrax attacks.

Please consider the implications of this: the only elected officials who received weaponized anthrax were Senators Daschle and Leahy at the moment they obstructed the first passage of the Patriot Act.(freefromterror.net) The AP(10/24/01) notes that the White House staff(especially the VP's office) took CIPRO on 9/11/01, a week before any anthrax was mailed. The NYT on 11/9/01 notes that 70 years worth of Ames Strain anthrax was destroyed with FBI approval(impetus?) in October of 2001. Is this obstruction of justice? Scooter Libby has a second nickname, "germ boy". It came from his championing of innoculation of the whole US public against bioterror.(Jeremy Scahill in the Nation)

Is there a reason the good people at Alternet wouldn't want to ask all the hard questions about the current regime?

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» So? Posted by: Mycos
» RE: So? Posted by: davidslesinger
» RE: So? Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: So? Posted by: davidslesinger
» RE: davidslesinger Posted by: janenj
» RE: davidslesinger Posted by: Mycos
» RE: davidslesinger Posted by: davidslesinger
» RE: davidslesinger Posted by: Mycos
» RE: davidslesinger Posted by: davidslesinger
You might as well ask, "What if our government wasn't crooked?"
Posted by: monkeywrench on Sep 9, 2006 9:32 AM   
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From the article:
"What if the two hijacked planes, American Flight 11 and United 175, had plunged into those north and south towers at 8:46 and 9:03, killing all aboard, causing extensive damage and significant death tolls, but neither tower had come down?"

How about asking,"What would have happened if 9/11 had not?" Answer: Bush would have faded away as the most ineffectual president in our history, a sort-of White House Chauncy Gardener, the Project For a New American Century would be gathering dust and the Patriot Act might not exist (by the way, practically NO one in Congress read it before voting.)

O.K. –– what if the buildings were hit but had not come down (you mean, like no other skyscraper in history ever has, before or since)? Bush and his band of neocon criminals would have continued with their plans, spawned long before 9/11 (Bush wanted to invade Iraq in 1999, before he became president), and mounted the same propaganda campaign. It might not have worked quite as well, but its implimentation would have been just a matter of time, because we americans are so easily frightened. Hell, Osama bin Laden has been left free to act as the "Boogy Man;" you cannot convince me that the most deadly military in the world, coupled to the largest intelligence gathering agency in the world, could not capture one man (news agencies held interviews with the guy!).

The coincidences surrounding 9/11 are too numerous and facile to have been chance. Does anyone really believe that the framers of the Project For a New American Century would go to all that trouble, gain control of both the presidency and Congress, and just let their plan lie there as an academic exercise? C'mon! Apply Occum's Razor to all of the "coincidences" and physical evidence of 9/11, and what emerges is a "terrorist attack" that was at least exploited from the inside (buildings asymetrically damaged do not fall straight down into neat piles, they topple; jet fuel cannot melt steel and heated steel does not lose strength in an instant – hell, other steel skyscrapers subjected to far worse fires burning for far longer have never...fallen...down!).

Cheney/Rumsfeld//Wolfawitz and the rest of the neocon wingnuts needed 9/11, and needed it BAD; without it, or something like it, their plan would have gone down in flames along with what was then a floundering boob of a president. Just look at the "coincidences" between setbacks in the administration's agenda and "terrorist warnings" (as Keith Olbermann has done) and you will see how we have been played as suckers, turned into Pavlovian lab dogs (every time they say "terror," we pant, whine, pee, and push the "save me" bar once again...).

We're being processed like so much baloney into a dictatorship, and it pains me to no end that the american people are too trusting, too gullible and too uninformed to realize it.

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trillion dollar perspective, please
Posted by: channing on Sep 9, 2006 10:19 AM   
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what most people can't seem to grip is the view from above, you know, the "borderless-billionaire" perspective...

if you owned those buildings, and knew as much about them as i do, you would want to replace them too, by the mere fact that the technology and engineering were, indeed, vulnerable, not to planes, but to age. the planes did not bring the buildings down, but what better solution was available to you, o' borderless-billionaire, then to wipe them off the map in one single swoop, (demolition + hijacker-cover), stick the insurance industry for a few billion, stick the american sytem for a couple trillion and a new lease on mass-control, a tidy war in oil and opium monopolies, topped off with protecting your middle-east based tyrant-friends from the rising masses?

the cost of this "black-op" was cheap leverage in an age of the out-of-control and beyond-reach borderless-billionaire class.

our hope, in fact, only hope, is for the american people to rise up and demand: 100% governmental transparency, information is "owned" by the public; tax excessive wealth, since no one is worth billions of times more than anyone else; remodel corporate law back into "public service"; restore absolute free-speech without which we are powerless... this is the same revolution of our constitution's founding, different chapter, different tyrant.

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» RE: trillion dollar perspective, please Posted by: ConnecttheDots
What if Americans could think for themselves?
Posted by: dainin on Sep 9, 2006 10:32 AM   
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The seven steps of NIST’s collapse initiation sequence that are common to both towers, clarified and summarized as fairly as possible, are as follows.

1. A number of columns were severed by aircraft impact
2. Loads were redistributed to the remaining columns
3. Fireproofing was “widely dislodged”
4. Columns and floor assemblies were softened by high temperatures
5. Softened floor assemblies began to sag
6. Sagging floors pulled the exterior columns inward, causing columns to buckle
7. Instability spread around the exterior of the building

The first two steps of this sequence are not surprising, although there are assumptions on NIST’s part. At step one, we can take their word for it that approximately 15% of the columns were severed in each building by aircraft impact. Note that this is quite low compared to original design claims reported in the mid-sixties by the Engineering News-Record that suggested the towers could lose more than 25% of their columns without having any problems. As for the second step, NIST says the loads actually decreased on some columns and increased slightly for others. Again, no problem here considering similar design claims that the exterior columns could withstand 2000% increases in live load.

With step three we quickly get to the core of NIST’s collapse initiation argument. Their report states that “The WTC towers likely would not have collapsed under the combined effects of aircraft impact damage and the extensive, multi-floor fires if the thermal insulation had not been widely dislodged or had been only minimally dislodged by aircraft impact.” Considering that NIST so clearly depends on extensive fireproofing loss, you would think they would have spent a great deal of their time and money investigating this effect and communicating the details.

But no, one had to be very patient and focused to find what evidence NIST provided for this crucial claim. Their test for fireproofing loss, never inserted in the draft reports, involved shooting a total of fifteen rounds from a shotgun at non-representative samples in a plywood box. Flat steel plates were used instead of column samples, and no floor deck samples were tested at all. In the end, they slid the results into a 12 page appendix to the final report.

Unfortunately, it’s not hard to see that these tests actually disproved their findings. One reason is that there is no evidence that a Boeing 767 could transform into any number of shotgun blasts. Nearly 100,000 blasts would be needed based on NIST’s own damage estimates, and these would have to be directed in a very symmetrical fashion to strip the columns and floors from all sides. However, it is much more likely that the aircraft debris was a distribution of sizes from very large chunks to a few smaller ones, and that it was directed asymmetrically. Also, there is no indication that fireproofing was stripped from beneath the aluminum cladding on the exterior columns, but in subsequent steps of their story, NIST depends on this.

To put NIST’s pivotal claim to rest, there was simply no energy available to cause fireproofing loss. Previous calculations by engineers at MIT had shown that all the kinetic energy from the aircraft was consumed in breaking columns, crushing the floors and destroying the aircraft itself. But NIST’s tests indicate that 1 MJ of energy was needed per square meter of surface area to shear the fireproofing off. For the areas in question, more than 6,000 square meters of column, floor deck and floor joist surface, the extra energy needed would be several times more than the entire amount of kinetic energy available to begin with.

We could stop there, and realize that NIST’s story is not plausible. But to emphasize just how implausible it is, let’s go on to step four (next message).

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» Wow! Two of them? Posted by: Mycos
» 24 hrs straight Posted by: fifthworld
What if American Journalism wasn't an oxtmoron?
Posted by: dainin on Sep 9, 2006 10:36 AM   
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On to step four, where high temperatures softened the columns and floors. NIST did tests for this as well. The first test, that examined paint deformation on steel samples chosen specifically from the fire zones, showed that less than 2% of the samples had seen temperatures above 250 C. Another test gave the one-sided result that no samples saw temperatures above 600 C. The obvious problem here is that steel does not soften or lose significant strength at the low temperatures indicated, yet NIST’s story depends on the softening or weakening of vast quantities of steel in both core and exterior columns, floor decks and floor joists. The less obvious problem is that structural steel components are chosen for use in buildings based in part on fire resistance tests. According to Underwriters Laboratories’ (UL’s) Chief Executive Officer, tests on steel components for the WTC buildings were performed by UL nearly forty years ago, and the results verified conformance to the New York City code requirements for multiple hours of fire resistance at much higher temperatures.

An important thing to realize here is the duration of the WTC fires. Many have noted that these fires were not very intense, because the black smoke indicated Oxygen starved fires that would have produced relatively little heat. But according to NIST, the fires in the failure zones did not last very long either. NIST points to the east wall of WTC 2 as the failure zone, and say that the fires reached this area within 10 to 20 minutes of aircraft impact. NIST goes on to say that it took 50 to 60 minutes for the fires to migrate around the core of the building in WTC 1. These official estimates indicate that the fires in the failure zones of the towers lasted for only about 45 minutes in each case, much less than the 3 or 4 hours of fire resistance required by the NYC code.

How about step five? As part of NIST’s investigation, Underwriters Laboratories performed additional tests to establish the fire resistance of models of the WTC floor assemblies. The results were that the floor assembly models not only didn’t collapse, invalidating the long-standing “Pancake Theory”, but the floors barely sagged – only about 3 inches, despite the use of double the known floor load and two hours of fire exposure (i.e. over twice the duration of fires known to have existed in the failure zones). NIST then added this 3 inch sag to their computer model, and by way of an unknown transformation, it suddenly became 42 inches of extreme sagging.

At this point it is difficult to continue, but since our own futures depend on this story, we must. Step six says that sagging floors pulled exterior columns inward. To support this, NIST plugged at least nine different scenarios into their computer, with just one of these showing inward bowing in their virtual reality. To do this, they had to take a computer mock-up of a nine story high by nine column wide wall section, remove it from it’s web of support by “disconnection”, strip off ALL the fireproofing, expose this section to twice the known fire time yet again (90 minutes), and then apply some unspecified, utterly miraculous inward pull. Without a doubt, one rarely finds more shameful and obvious examples of the distortion of science.

How about NIST’s last collapse initiation step (seven)? They don’t say much here except that “instability spread” around the entire building. Since the buildings came down uniformly into their own footprints, and did so in approximately 10 seconds, there was precious little time for instability spread. If we give them half a second to accomplish this, the instability would have had to move at nearly twice the speed of sound. That is, of course, not realistic.

After providing a clearly false collapse initiation sequence, NIST says “global collapse ensued”. Nice prediction.

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There are too many holes in the official story
Posted by: vangogh69 on Sep 9, 2006 3:19 PM   
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While I don't claim to know what happened 100% that day, I know the official version doesn't make sense. Some have said they can't fathom their government complicit in the death of Americans. To this, I might offer the sacrifice to Isreal of those navymen's lives some years back (sorry I don't recall the name of the actual ship, but that the US did nothing even though hundreds died in a preventable action); the US government refuses to institute universal healthcare, ensuring that millions will die simply for not being born a bush; WACO; it was only through grassroots actions that the government sat aside funds for people with HIV/AIDS, funds which by the way, have been cut year after year after year to fund the "war on [of] terror"; Regan refused to even acknowledge AIDS when it was in the stages of being controlled, effectively killing millions in the US; the CIA introducing cocaine into the states and crack in the ghettos (look this fact up if you think I'm bullshitting), yet again finding a way to kill black militancy and organization in the wake of that pesky civil rights movement; the CIA testing acid and LSD on college students and soldiers during the Vietnam War; Operation Northwoods; the Korean War (why were we there anyway interfering in their civil war?...oh wait, to sacrifice US lives on the altar geopolitical hedgemony); and on and on and on....

About 9/11

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Kurt Nimmo
Posted by: rwa on Sep 10, 2006 9:39 AM   
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"The reasons for the intense denial about the 9/11/01 attack inside the Left establishment appear to go much deeper than the fact that many of its institutions are funded by endowments like those of the Ford Foundation. The official myth appeals to political philosophies that condemn U.S. imperialism by providing the supreme example of 'blowback’—the proverbial chickens coming home to roost. Researcher August West speaks to this and other psychological underpinnings of the denial," notes the 9-11 Review website.

West writes:

Beneath unconscious motivations also lie some conscious agendas. Those on the Left who have embraced "critical support" for a "limited response" war will no doubt not wish to have their political bankruptcy exposed. But even most of those who oppose the War have nevertheless accepted the notion that the U.S. was attacked by a vicious enemy. For some, this represents an opportunity to promote their moralistic approach: let us respond in an appropriate, moral and non-military manner. Others, such as Chomsky, Michael Albert, Howard Zinn and Alex Cockburn, simply trot out the "blowback" explanation: this horrible attack happened because America has done bad things, has not listened to "us" (wag, wag the finger), and better start changing its policies (as if an empire can be run in a nice way!). Yet others who disagree with war boosters like Katrina van den Heuvel of The Nation nevertheless buy their thesis that the war promotes increasing state powers (e.g., making airport baggage inspectors federal employees), and this amounts to a move towards "socialism". If the events of 9/11 were not what they seemed to be, this takes away the chance to promote these political programs, perhaps to even advance certain careers.

Indeed, the careerist gatekeepers deny the physical nature of the universe itself—kerosene cannot melt steel, buildings do not collapse at free fall, as Isaac Newton would tell us, if he was around to witness the destruction of the WTC.

Of course, all of this runs smack into the immovable brick wall of the "progressive" ideology with its blue sky insistence nine eleven was in fact a noble blow struck by oppressed Arabs conniving in Afghan caves, never mind their leader was a former CIA asset hailing from a rich Saudi family with ties to the monarchy and the Bush crime family, as amply documented."

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