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9/11 Conspiracy Fantasies

President Bush's policies of deception are breeding an increasing number of fringe theories about the 9/11 attacks.
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Conspiracy theorists are gearing up for a big blast on the fifth anniversary of the September 11 terror attacks. At a three day fest in New York they'll again claim that the attacks were part of a gigantic plot by President Bush, the GOP, the CIA, FBI and Justice Department to wipe out civil liberties protections, impose a national security state, create a pretext for the attack on Iraq, regiment the American people, and strengthen the hand of the pro Israeli lobby in U.S. politics. There's nothing new in any of this.

The instant the planes slammed into the World Trade Center, the conspiracy mill spun into high gear and it hasn't slowed since. Conspiracy theorists allege that explosives were planted at the WTC, Jewish and Israeli Tower workers and occupants were warned the day before to stay away, a missile slammed into the Pentagon, the government hid the wreckage of the United Airlines plane that terrorists crashed in Pennsylvania. The theories are groundless, and have been debunked by a legion of scientists, technicians and investigators.

So why do so many Americans believe them? And there are millions that do. A Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll found that more than a third of Americans believe that the government knows more than it's telling about 9/11 or had some hand in it. This should not surprise. Four decades ago, historian Richard Hofstadter in an essay coined the term the "paranoid style." That paranoia has long gripped many Americans. There are packs of groups that span a political spectrum of extreme rightists, Aryan Nation racists, Millennium Christian fundamentalists, leftist radicals, and fraternal lodges and societies. Their Internet sites bristle with purported official documents that detail and expose these alleged plots. These groups and thousands of individuals believe that government, corporate, or international Zionist groups busily hatch secret plots, and concoct hidden plans to wreak havoc on their lives.

Hollywood and the TV industry have also horned in on the conspiracy act. They churn out countless movies and TV shows in which shadowy, government groups topple foreign governments, assassinate government leaders, and brainwash operatives to do dirty deeds.

9/11 conspiracy theories have had enduring shelf life for two other troubling reasons, and neither is totally groundless. Government agencies, such as the FBI, CIA, Army intelligence, with the connivance of presidents, have often played fast and loose with the law and even the rules of democracy. They have spied on, harassed, and jailed thousands of Americans from Communists to anti-war activists. The FBI engaged in a ferocious and patently illegal decades long campaign against Dr. Martin Luther King the Nation of Islam, the Black Panther Party, the NAACP and other black groups.

The CIA has waged or funded secret wars in Laos, Nicaragua, and Angola, and Afghanistan. The Iran-Contra weapons trading scandals, the secret operations to topple radical or leftist governments in Iran, Lebanon and Chile have been well documented. Government agencies and officials have routinely lied, engaged in cover-ups, and omitted facts and information regarding illicit activities from Congressional investigating committees. Than there's Bush's admission that the CIA locked up suspected terrorists in secret jails in various countries.

The second reason is the fervent loathing that many Americans have of President Bush. The furor over the Florida vote debacle in 2000 raised deep suspicions among many Americans that Bush and the GOP hijacked the election and the White House. It was only a short step from that to the belief that if they were capable of that they were capable of any lie or deception to win and hold power.

Though the 9/11 Commission in its final report let Bush off the hook for any blame for the terror attacks, it still obliquely chided the administration for its lack of preparedness. And that stirred even more speculation that Bush knew more than he let on about the 9/11 attacks. There is no evidence of that. Yet Bush has profited mightily politically from the war on terrorism. At times he has made shameless hardball use of the war on terrorism to hammer the Democrats, and rev up Congressional and public support for his administration's war policies. In the 2004 presidential elections, the terrorism issue was Bush's main, indeed, only trump card to win back the White House. Polls consistently showed that voters believed that he'd do a better job than Democratic presidential challenger John Kerry in combating terrorism.

Bush, of course, is no different than other mediocre politicians whose foreign and domestic policies are in shambles. Politicians have long known that war fever, and national security jitters is a sure fire ticket to boost their poll ratings, secure public allegiance, and increase the political dominance of whichever party is in power. If a president is doing a really terrible job in handling domestic problems, and Bush has more often than not been such a president, it also deflects public attention from those failures.

The rub is that the conspiracy theorists don't need to spend three days spinning 9/11 conspiracy fantasies to make that case. If anything, they'll just give critics more ammunition to laugh them off as kooks, crazies, and loonies. Maybe that's part of the conspiracy too. 
Earl Ofari Hutchinson is a political analyst and social issues commentator, and the author of the forthcoming book The Emerging Black GOP Majority (Middle Passage Press, September 2006), a hard-hitting look at Bush and The GOP's court of black voters.
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Say What?
Posted by: ConnecttheDots on Sep 7, 2006 2:02 PM   
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Hutchinson seems to be saying that if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a goddam duck. Go figure!

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Look First
Posted by: rwa on Sep 7, 2006 2:23 PM   
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False Flag Operations: Declassified Military Documents Show How US Government Planned Terrorist Attacks Against its Own Citizens



New York, NY (PRWEB) September 7th, 2006 – As reported by ABC News, stunning military documents codenamed "Operation Northwoods" were declassified in recent years and show how in 1962, the top US military leaders planned an operation to create terror attacks against its own cities and kill US citizens. See: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1


The documents state that through the fabrication of false evidence, the US would blame Cuba and gain public support for an unpopular war against Castro. They included developing a fake Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, the use of airplanes, and much more.

For further details, the now declassified military documents are available at the National Security Archive of the George Washington University: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

In his newly published book "Towers of Deception – The Media Cover-Up of 9/11," Barrie Zwicker, writes about Operation Northwoods and many other such operations that the military and intelligence community refer to as "false flag operations." http://www.newsociety.com/bookid/3932

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Very sad Earl
Posted by: fifthworld on Sep 7, 2006 2:34 PM   
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Perhaps Senor Hutchinson should find another news-site to blog on, because this is a shameful display of denial and general hooey. It really is beneath AlterNet.

I'll just give you one amazing line from this piece that tells us where's he's coming from:

"The theories are groundless, and have been debunked by a legion of scientists, technicians and investigators." Which theories? Not the ones, for example, propounded on such many sites as Scholarsfor911truth.org. The opposite of what you say is the case, particularly with regard to the tower demolitions: the issue is who is willing to come forward; and fortunately every day another senior intelligence ex-official (Repub's I might add ) or politician or new candidate (Bob Boman, FL!) not to mention the legions of well-regarded scientists and engineers (incl. on-site, first-hand accounts as evidence) confirming the studies and refining them, comes on board and helps contribute to putting the big lies to the official accounts.

Not to mention the slips from the horses' mouths themselves, about "pulling" WTC -7, and all the endless rest, from Bush on out.

Look, "conspiracy theory" itself is a derrogatory, dismissive term, and extremely offensive to those of us who are serious about the issue and the cover-up, the many unanswered questions -- although more are being answered as we move. Using the term only shows ignorance, fear and an unwillingness to probe. Sure, there might be some bunk out there, but the central players in the scientific and other communities addressing the big scam deserve your full hearing.

I have to say that seeing a piece of rubbish like this on this site makes me really angry. Damn it, do your research Earl!

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Paul Craig Roberts
Posted by: rwa on Sep 7, 2006 2:48 PM   
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Five Years After and We Still Don’t Know

By Paul Craig Roberts

09/07/06 "Information Clearing House " -- -- In the five years since three World Trade Center buildings collapsed into their own footprints in virtually free fall time, the convincing power of the official explanation of that day’s events has evaporated. Polls show that 36% of Americans do not believe the official account. As Lev Grossman writes in Time magazine (September 3, 2006), “Thirty-six percent adds up to a lot of people. This is not a fringe phenomenon. It is a mainstream political reality.”

Grossman acknowledges that alternative explanations of 9/11 are more compelling than the official explanation. Grossman offers a psychological explanation for the success of alternative explanations: “a grand disaster like Sept. 11 needs a grand conspiracy behind it.”

However, Grossman’s psychological explanation fails on its own terms. Which is the grandest conspiracy theory? The interpretation of 9/11 as an orchestrated casus belli to justify US invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, or the interpretation that a handful of Muslims defeated US security multiple times in one short morning and successfully pulled off the most fantastic terrorist attack in history simply because they “hate our freedom and democracy”? Orchestrating events to justify wars is a stratagem so well worn as to be boring. Indeed, it is the fantastic conspiracy of the official explanation that makes it unbelievable.

The scientists, engineers, and professors who pose the tough questions about 9/11 are not people who spend their lives making sense of their experience by constructing conspiracy theories. Scientists and scholars look to facts and evidence. They are concerned with the paucity of evidence in behalf of the official explanation. They stress that the official explanation is inconsistent with known laws of physics, and that the numerous security failures, when combined together, are a statistical improbability.

The call by 9/11 skeptics for an independent investigation by an international panel of experts is not a conspiracy theory. In principle there is nothing wrong with such an investigation. In practice, it might be difficult to create a truly independent panel. How many physicists, for example, have careers independent of government grants, and how many engineering firms would risk being branded “unpatriotic” and lose business by coming down on the “wrong” side of the issue?

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Let the conspiarcy wingnuts agitate...
Posted by: pzzp on Sep 7, 2006 3:33 PM   
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...let them loose upon the wingnuts now in power. Maybe this clash of uncivilizations will cancel each other out.

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Deconstructing "Conspiracy Theorizing"
Posted by: kenadrian on Sep 7, 2006 3:43 PM   
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The terms "conspiracy theory" and "conspiracy theorist" are convenient labels used ridicule anyone who dares to question authority.

In a democracy we DO question our politicians' officially stories though, especially when they don't appear to make sense - when they are MANY loose ends.

Did the gov't lie about Pearl Harbour? Yes. Did they lie about Vietnam? Yes. Did they lie about Iraq? Yes. History reveals that the gov't is CAPABLE and WILLING to deceive it's own citizens for self-interested, political reasons.

In spite of this historical fact, those of us who want complete transparency, full disclosure, real accountability are "the crazy ones"... at least that's what people like Earl are saying.

Let's look at Earl's rhetoric:

"Conspiracy theorists are gearing up for a big blast on the fifth anniversary of the September 11 terror attacks... There's nothing new in any of this."

That's true, there IS nothing new in the fact that we're not buying 'the official story'. Why should we when it leaves out so many crucial details of evidence, ignores so many historical facts, defies the laws of physics, etc.?

Earl continues:

"The instant the planes slammed into the World Trade Center, the conspiracy mill spun into high gear..."

Notice how the conspiracy theorists (and their theories) are all bundled together as one great big bunch of 'wing-nuts'. This is another form of Ad Hominem which treats all theories as one and, again, ignores the facts.

"The theories are groundless, and have been debunked by a legion of scientists, technicians and investigators."

Not true. This is Earl's opinion, unsupported by references to credible and reliable scientific research.

"So why do so many Americans believe them? And there are millions that do."

Answer: Because Americans are not as stupid as their gov't has the arrogance to believe... and they're not willing to "take Earl's word for it" either. We prefer to weight ALL of the evidence for ourselves. Sorry Earl.

"Hollywood and the TV industry have also horned in on the conspiracy act..."

Hollywood produces works of fiction. They also produce non-fictional documentary works. This author wants to bundle them together; again Ad Hominem. Earl's basically saying that those Hollywood types are crazy too... oh, and they're profiteering from it all (not true as many of the docs are donating profits to charity).

The CIA, FBI, and other commentary. Well, since Osama Bin Laden was a CIA asset for many years during the original war in Afghanistan and his family are/were friends of the Budh family, and since they were the ONLY people allowed to leave the U.S.A. on the day of this tragedy, we still want some questions answered. Sorry Earl, we're curious that way.

"Though the 9/11 Commission in its final report let Bush off the hook for any blame for the terror attacks, it still obliquely chided the administration for its lack of preparedness. "

Imagine that! The Commission appointed by the President let him off the hook! Will wonders never cease?!

"The rub is that the conspiracy theorists don't need to spend three days spinning 9/11 conspiracy fantasies to make that case. If anything, they'll just give critics more ammunition to laugh them off as kooks, crazies, and loonies. Maybe that's part of the conspiracy too."

Right, so now the author switche language. Conspiracy FANTASIES now... and he punctuates this with his main assertion that anyone who dares to question things is crazy... and we should ridicule them.

Earl's not crazy. He believes whatever he's told even if that official story doesn't make sense or is incomplete.

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More questions than theories
Posted by: hezekiah on Sep 7, 2006 3:51 PM   
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"The theories are groundless, and have been debunked by a legion of scientists, technicians and investigators."
(You fail to mention, sir, that the legitimacy of the questions raised by so-called 'conspiracy theorists' have also been supported by legions of scientists, technicians, and investigators, as well as by eyewitnesses.)

The proliferating calls for truth concerning the events of 9/11, and the justifiable wish to bring to justice those who are responsible for, or have profited from, the tragedy are in no way based on some deep-seated wish for the more radical theories to be accurate. It would greatly ease my mind to have all these theories debunked, but that has not happened.

The 9-11 Commission Report was little better than the Warren Commission's conclusion that Oswald fired a 'magic' bullet. I am sorry, but magic is more loony than the 9/11 Truth Movement. History has proven time and again that our government is not the beneficent democracy of, by, and for the people it claims to be. Some examples of conspiratorial malevolence on the part of government (of both parties) and corporate interests are detailed, though by no means exhaustively, in this very article. And I applaud the author for re-iterating some of them. The eagerness and bravado with which he brands all doubters as "kooks, crazies, and loonies" is however, very disturbing. Calling a duck a duck is fair. But in this case, the author is resorting to name-calling in an ongoing debate in which the burden of proof has shifted to those supporting the official line.

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Simplistic interpretations...
Posted by: ahmlco on Sep 7, 2006 4:16 PM   
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Above someone states, "...or the interpretation that a handful of Muslims defeated US security multiple times in one short morning and successfully pulled off the most fantastic terrorist attack in history simply because they “hate our freedom and democracy.""

Baloney. It only makes sense if you frame the question in those terms.

First, they don't hate our "freedom and democracy". They do see many of our values as corrupt and opposed to their religous beliefs, quite a few hate our support of Israel and our often narrow, coporate self-interests, as well as our tendencies to support "stability" in the region by regime change and government overthrow in pursuit of those interests. In short, we meddle.

As to "defeating security", you make it sound like a major feat. Pre-9/11 I once forgot I had a 3" folding knife in a North Face jacket coat pocket. The airline security screener found it, opened it, measured it against his palm, grunted, put it back, and waved me through.

Do I think there's questions yet to be answered? Yes. But paranoia for the sake of paranoia is not the way we're going to get there.

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empty article
Posted by: spanky on Sep 7, 2006 5:11 PM   
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The author frames the issue as if it were black and white and one need only decide to believe the official story all the way, or believe none of it.

What if one accepts the entire official account, except for a single element, for example the fact that WTC7 collapsed on its own even though there is very little evidence available to support this? Does this constitute a conspiracy theory?

AlterNet blew it by allowing this excrement to be published.

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Ofari: Slouching Toward the "Mainstream"
Posted by: Nuuon on Sep 7, 2006 5:25 PM   
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I considered adding my won scientific critique of
Mr. Hutchinson's pathetic rant, but I believe the
responses provided so far handle Mr. Hutchinson's
foolishness adequately.

However, I would like to point out that what Mr.
Hutchinson is really railing against is the
911 MOVEMENT, not just a mere "theory." The
fact that this MOVEMENT won't go away is what really
bothers people like Mr. Hutchinson. Apparently this
911 MOVEMENT is also beginning to scare some aspects
of-- yes I'm going to say it --our Secret Government.
They have acknowledged the 911 MOVEMENT's growing
power and influence: based on the growing attacks
on same.

Mr. Hutchinson is either extremely lazy or extremely
opportunistic-- perhaps both. He is pandering for
some reason, maybe hoping he will get some invites
to CNN and MSNBC; proving that he is "safe" by his
baseless rant regarding the 911 MOVEMENT.


If Mr. Hutchinson really had something to say, one
would expect him to show some courage and debate
someone publicly on the subject. But based on the
vehemence of his rant, I bet he got burned on this
issue more than once already.

People like Mr. Hutchinson represent the New
McCarthyism
: He yells "conspiracist" in the
same way that Sen. Joseph McCarthy used to yell
"communist." And the use of the "conspiracist"
buzzword is designed to have the same oppressive
affects. The buzzword is designed to shut down
rational thinking, not promote it.

Shame on you, Earl. Lives are at stake and you have
proven that you can't be trusted in a crisis.

It's as simple as that.

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Gee, I guess al-Jazeera is in on the cover-up too
Posted by: brunowe on Sep 7, 2006 6:29 PM   
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Here's the story.

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Al Jazeera
Posted by: rwa on Sep 7, 2006 6:50 PM   
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is a government controlled media in an occupied country (puppet statelet). Created by and totally subserviant to imperial power.

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Never mind, you win.
Posted by: fifthworld on Sep 7, 2006 7:01 PM   
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Back to K street, you've got some phone messages.

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As a "leftist radical" I gotta say...
Posted by: peacechicken on Sep 7, 2006 9:30 PM   
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This is really disappointing to see on Alternet... if this were on Digg it'd be thumbs down ASAP.

I have to 2nd everything kenadrian said, especially:
"The terms "conspiracy theory" and "conspiracy theorist" are convenient labels used ridicule anyone who dares to question authority... In a democracy we DO question our politicians' officially stories though, especially when they don't appear to make sense - when they are MANY loose ends... History reveals that the gov't is CAPABLE and WILLING to deceive it's own citizens for self-interested, political reasons."

Earl says the theories are groundless? Really? Has he done any real investigation into this? Maybe some of the theories are a little kooky, but there are some that make too much sense to dismiss. Just because a person believes there's an alternate explanation doesn't mean they subscribe to every alternate explanation.

One of the 9/11 Scholars for Truth, a Vietnam combat veteran and Congressional candidate named Dr. Robert Bowman, sums it up the best:
“If the government has nothing to hide, then why are they hiding everything?”

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Interesting article.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Sep 7, 2006 10:05 PM   
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It places the emphasis on finding a way to best deal with a problem, rather than explaining physics and engineering to those who have (more or less) let their justified (more or less) anger at the administration take a front seat over their objectivity.

Conspiracy theorist aren't bad folks; they are just overly passionate about their faith-based belief structures. I've never called someone a bad name for going to church, and I'm certainly not about to call someone a bad name for believing in whatever didn't occur in NYC 5 years ago.

The wonkies do, however, tend to distract--albeit just a little--from solutions that must be reached in the real world.

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Wow
Posted by: angrylefty on Sep 8, 2006 5:11 AM   
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So I get this email yesterday asking me to donate some money to Alternet. "We're running out of money", they say. "Where else can you get this type of news coverage?", they implore. So I dutifully donate some of my hard-earned cash because, of course, I agree with them.

Cut to today. By way of thanks, Earl Ofari Hutchinson is now telling me to shut up, get in line, and buy into the "official" fable of 9/11? I am to believe the steaming pile of "facts" that are being shoveled down my throat by one of the most corrupt administrations in history? Well, I could have gotten this type of coverage at CNN.com, couldn't I? For Free.

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this poll bothers me
Posted by: mazel on Sep 8, 2006 5:14 AM   
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"A Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll found that more than a third of Americans believe that the government knows more than it's telling about 9/11 or had some hand in it."

There's a big difference between the government knowing more than they're telling and having a hand in it. I don't believe they had a hand in it, but I do believe they know more about it than they're telling, and I admit that belief is based more on the fact that they are a bunch of sneaky, underhanded pathological liars than anything else--there is no way in hell they are going to tell us everything they know about anything that happens.

I don't think this belief should lump me with conspiracy wackos. This poll should have been more precise.

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Theories and Praxis
Posted by: talkville on Sep 8, 2006 5:25 AM   
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Ah, theorizing. 9/11/2001 happened. Actual, flesh and blood people responded. How is this event being utilized? By whom?

Most books I read contain an Introduction, a Preface; a pre-text. Clever people are adept at transforming an event into a valuable and critical tool; individualism, competition, corporatism and ego do the rest.

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canipanic
Posted by: canipanic on Sep 8, 2006 8:20 AM   
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we now know,the reason for going to war in Iraq...oh wait a minute..weren't all the reasons given debunked?yet there we are.i don't want to add another "conspiricy theory"..we still haven't been told the truth,so all we are left with are "theories"..there seems to be one thing said that i haven't heard debunked yet,not a word...we were assured we were not going into Iraq for the oil.if all the other things said were found to be untruths,why would people still believe we did not go to iraq for the oil?heres my theory:greedy rich peole want the oil,and Bush thinks God is speaking to him...it's the only thing that makes sense to me...that is also why we will never get to the bottom of all these mideast distubances.the oil companies do whatever they want(record profits as gas prices rise) and Bush will never admit God is talking with him..

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Another sheeple...
Posted by: Xphilechef on Sep 8, 2006 10:10 AM   
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This is a very disappointing article to see on Alternet. Since 9/11 I have seen very little information in the mainstream media regarding the suspect events that occured that day and how our government may be involved, even though there is AMPLE evidence to suggest that is the case. The mere fact that suggestion is called a "conspiracy theory" by those in the media immediately implies to the general public that there is no credence in these beliefs. However, the fact remains that there is more than enough factual evidence to suggest that the official 9/11 myth espoused by the Bush administration is an outright lie. I am not going to go into the wealth of evidence here because it would take way too long, but I do encourage people to check out a few websites. I know that other people have mentioned www.scholarsfor911truth.com, and that is a fabulous site. Also, check out www.loosechange911.com and watch the free documentary which is a pretty good intruduction to researching the 9/11 myth. For those of you that discount this based on the notion that a bunch of left wing radicals got together to simply slander the government, please just take a look and challenge yourself. Try to ask yourself this question: who stands to gain from 9/11? Nothing is as black and white as the Bush administration would like sheeples to believe.

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basic facts
Posted by: spanky on Sep 8, 2006 11:14 AM   
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Let's get one thing straight. There is a difference between those that allege that a drone aircraft crashed into the Pentagon; or that flight 93 landed in Cleveland and the passengers were abducted by aliens; or whatever... and those that are simply pointing out that BASIC elements of the official story do not appear to make sense.

While I do not discount any of the various theories, what's more important is just looking at the basic evidence and asking if parts of it do not hold up to scrutiny.

1) Is it unusual that *all three* WTC buildings collapsed straight down like they did, when there is no precedent for this? Esp WTC7, which was not hit by a plane.
2) Why won't the govt won't release the confiscated footage of the Pentagon crash?
3) Why did it take so long for fighter jets to get up in the air?
4) Why did eyewtinesses in NYC report hearing explosions prior to the collapse of the WTC buildings?

I am advancing no theories. Just asking the questions. Since I have not seen answers to these and other questions, I think it's logical to ask for answers. What's the alternative???

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left gate keeping fantasies
Posted by: Micahyah on Sep 8, 2006 1:25 PM   
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The government's story is not consistent with how WTC 1, 2, and 7 fell.

Other problems with the government's story that have been proven is that there were multiple war games, at least 5, on 9/11, some of which involved hijacking. Also, Norman Mineta's testimony to the 9/11 commission of what went on between Cheney and the aide concerning an order about the plane approaching the pentagon. Cheney said he wasn't there, but then when he testified to the 9/11 commission, it was behind closed doors.

Also, the $100,000 sent to Atta from the same Pakistani ISI general that is having breakfast with Porter Goss, Powell, Bob Graham, on 9/11.

I say use Occam's Razor, and think about what is more likely, that Mineta just made up the conversation in his TESTIMONY to the 9/11 commission? Or did Cheney lie to the public about his actions related to the plane heading towards the Pentagon?

Is it more likely that Al queda "Lucked out" and had their attack on the same day of 5+ wargames going on, or is it more likely that officials who moved those war games to that date were complicit in the attack?

Is it more likely that PNAC just caught a 'lucky break' ? on 9/11, a year after saying they wanted to implement a foreign policy that would take a new pearl harbor to implement? Or was there complicity?

Look at all the 'coincidences' that have to be explained away by the government's account. If you look at the probability alone of all these things just being coincidences it is so miniscule it wouldn't be believed.

Think about who was executive director of the 9/11 Commission, Philip Zelikow. He's not only part of the Bush transition team from 2000, and a writer of the Bush doctrine of 2002, but also a co-author and colleague from Bush I of Condoleeza Rice, the National Security Advisor that 'failed' on 9/11. That is a ridiculous conflict of interest. And then you look at Zelikow's expertise - political myths. Read some of his writings prior to 9/11 about what the effect of a dramatic terror attack would do to the American people.

It's far more likely that there was complicity than there was no complicity. The physical evidence AND the circumstantial evidence goes against the government's explanation.

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Alternot rules the opposite world!
Posted by: dainin on Sep 8, 2006 1:49 PM   
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The official story is not only a conspiracy theory, but it is one that appeals to our most contemptible instincts.

The only thing more contemptible is a media ho calling anyone who questions this racist shite a “conspiracy theorist”.

Alternot rules this new opposite world.

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Are you a fool?
Posted by: Wish on Sep 8, 2006 3:01 PM   
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Mr. Earl Ofari Hutchinson, you are a fool if you belief your government won't do heinous acts just for their own selfish and megalomanic porposes. You don't have to be a what you call "conspiracy theorist" to see that. It's in every word and act.

So instead of ridiculing these socalled 'conspiracy theorists'. ridicule your government. Kick butt.
Expose your government any way possible. Your 'government' that made this world the dangerous place it is now. They are criminals.

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Summation: still the prevailing fear and innocence
Posted by: fifthworld on Sep 8, 2006 4:20 PM   
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It is so incredibly hard to fathom that we're living under a ruthless, monstrous homicidal/genocidal regime (fading into or fronting the 'shadow govt' behind it) that, shall we say gently, implemented 911. It's called cognitive dissonance. But it's true.

"Conspiracy theory" is a reflex response, like vomiting. When you can't handle and don't want to examine the realities of the whole scenario and its contexts, specifically the neocon fantasy of 'full-spectrum domination' - you just lump together all who simply ask questions. All who might simply want to question authority for gods' sakes! And that is a damned shame. It is a way of reacting, fight or flight, rather than responding.

With such massive evil afoot now in the US, the stakes are high, and sides do get polarized. But I think the best coming-together point has to be a large-scale insistence by the sober minds out there on a NEW INVESTIGATION. Not an original thought I know, but one that needs propounding. An INDEPENDENT people's commission, with senior scientists called on regardless of political afilliation. Perhaps it is some of the victims' families who should choose this commission, or be instrumental in that process at least. A local activist here, from NJ, makes note of the Jersey Girls, and warns they're set to kick some serious butt!

Remember too, this whole campaign for 911 truth is unfolding far faster, and at a higher level and with much greater clarity and focus, than the Kennedy assassination. An unfortunately incommensurate analogy, given the overwhelming scope of "that fateful day" and the unanswered q's, but so be it.

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Here's One Conspiracy That Should Not Be Overlooked
Posted by: pelle_in_goal on Sep 8, 2006 7:39 PM   
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Critics of the critics of the 9/11 Commission Report are mostly found on the Cable news channels. They are usually the pundits and political agendists -- like Mr. Hutchinson -- and not investigative journalists. They are paid a king's ransom to label EVERYTHING from the left as crazy, kooky, and lunatic. People on the left know that all too well.

That means that Earl can spare us the rest of the bullshit.

Mr. Hutchinson is neither an architect, structural engineer, physicist, physician, or demolitions expert. Nor does he have experience in counter-terrorism. He is simply not qualified to rebut alternative theories to the government's own conspiracy theory. Nor is he qualified to uphold the government's version of the 9/11 attacks. Ironically, in his one apparent area of "expertise" -- as an expert on the functions of government -- he doesn't seem to sense the ultimate need for all of them to cover up damaging evidence of incompetence, shift blame onto others, demonize a largely overblown enemy of the state, and ultimately cover their respective asses.

People whose lives have been irrevocably compromised are holding a rally that is not based on junk science, or half-baked and unsworn testimony given to an underfunded and strait-jacketed Federal Commission. It's based, rather, on the realities of their deteriorating health.

Thanks to another Hutchinson -- the one then at the EPA -- the public who worked, lived, or took part in rescue operations were ASSURED that the air they were breathing during rescue operations was safe enough not to wear respirators.

Seeking redress for being lied to is definitely not a conspiracy theory; there have been too many medical records and research studies done which place the human cost of exposure to 9/11 related toxins beyond the mere theory stage of scientific investigation.

Nor is a conspiracy theory necessary to understand the motive behind the false assurances given the public soon to be working and living again in lower Manhattan. The financial markets were to be opened as quickly as possible. Just ask Warren Buffet. He was the one who Bush met at Offutt AFB the day of the attacks.

I wonder what they ever could have been talking about.

Both the Warren Commission and the House Select Sub-Committee on Assassinations say a lot about the Feds' never-ending commitment to make evidence fit the desired conclusions. That there was a conspiracy involved in the JFK assassination is beyond question. Even the FBI admitted so. Evidence was overlooked or destroyed in order to avoid suggestions of Cuban or Soviet involvement leading to a possible nuclear confrontation. As we later learned, any ties exposed by the Warren Commission of Oswald to Castro and vice versa may also have exposed the Operation Mongoose plot against Castro and with it the involvement of the Chicago and New Orleans mob. By any definition, this is a conspiracy to obstruct justice -- involving the highest levels of government.

I will say one thing in his favor. Earl makes one hell of a lapdog.

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interesting bullshit as usual
Posted by: cosmicgold on Sep 9, 2006 4:25 AM   
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Has anyone taken notice of the recent news that Pakistan and the Taliban have reached a mutual peace accord?? Now the media is ready to whip up the frenzy of fear again.....saying that if the Taliban and all those other well groomed idiots of danger...can now do another spectacular demolition somewhere on this planet that represents western interests..Interesting how the Internal Revenue service can find any errant tax payer-anywhere in the world in 24 hours...yet it is sadly laughable that we cant seem to get a small group of ragtag men interested in destroying our country....my fear is that this is what the cabalists want us to do..be fearful of another eminent attack..and probably in perfect timing before the nov elections....as for conspiracy theories..thank the heavens for them..they are the only thing that can vindicate sound reasonable minds from the bullshit of mass hystaria, mayhem,paranoia, that prevents us from truly seeing the truth as it is....Thank you alternet..at least for another choice of information to debate

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The NTSB
Posted by: magistre on Sep 9, 2006 3:34 PM   
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Mr. Hutchinson, is the NTSB a "conspiracy theorist organization"? I ask because the NTSB showed in testing done prior to 9/11 that JETLINERS WILL NOT PENETRATE TO ANY APRRECIABLE DEPTH THE SURFACE OF THE MODERN SKYSCRAPER( with the possible exception of the engines). This does not say you can't fly jetliners into buildings but what it does say is that they will"splat" on the side like an over-ripe watermelon. Quite a different scenario.

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Sigh...
Posted by: mykal on Sep 10, 2006 2:33 AM   
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What really surprises me about people who believe in some sort of 9/11 cover-up is that they think the folks who gave us the Iraq fiasco, the Afghanistan debacle, and the tragically inept follow-up to Katrina are even capable of pulling off such a deception.

I give you props for trying, Earl, but some people apparently just can’t be reached.

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No Fantasy physics but a few facts remain
Posted by: freedem on Sep 10, 2006 6:07 AM   
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The weird science of bombs located ahead of crashing planes, and timed just right does indeed invite ridicule for any real discussion about what happened and why. And I have made that point in many places.

However there are some points known and many that suggest a very deep malice that would allow such an event to occur if they had had that chance, and at the very least jumped on it like a frog on a bug, to push the worst possible partisan advantage.

The first point well documented is the PNAC stated desire for a "Pearl Harbor" event as the lynch pin for their plans. What they did about bringing a "PH" is not documented but invites, even demands, many imaginings, from direct control (not likely, to kicking sand in Aribic faces (documented but blamed on stupidity), to turning a blind eye and hoping for an outcome they could use.

The next point well documented is the flurry of "puts" in the days before. It is totally unbelievable that those "puts" could be untracable. How could they expect to pay (or collect if the attack had been stopped or gone astray) but five years later there is no word about any of it.

There are many other points that come less easily to mind, and many are more question than answer, but it is hard to claim that Saddam's coverups and dodging implied he was hiding something, and that this admin. doing the same, is not.

A defence of utter fecklessness with no chance of strategic mind might work, but for the masterful attacks on Democrats at every turn, with plenty of examples of deep and long range planning, even the publication of large books with great detail of actions and talking points.

In the face of secrecy, the worst case will be assumed, but here, even the best case is damming enough.

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are you kidding?
Posted by: edith on Sep 10, 2006 3:28 PM   
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what's crazy about speculation that four years of war that were justified by 9/11 were caused by deliberate negligence or deliberate involvement in the tragedy? bush was in trouble i 9/01. He was especially in the spotlight for his anti-environment policies and the economy was already tanking. His tax cuts were exposed as subsidies to corporations already paying relatively light tax burdens. Voila. Instant karma! W's polls soar as the Towers collapse in record time. And no NORAD response. Oh please.

Earl. You are sweet. too sweet. it's a bad bad world out there old guy. I too hate to get up some days, things are so bleak.

but this "coincidence" is the foundation for everything this Administration has done and the foundation for prosperity for the thriving military industrial complex, the only thing that America "makes" any more.

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Ignorant and arrogant
Posted by: Senqi on Sep 11, 2006 4:41 AM   
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It kind of eats away my respect for Alternet to read
such misinformed articles here..

The official story of 9/11 is such bullshit, I would think
the critical thinkers of Alternet would see through it..

Apparently I'm wrong..

Enjoy the denial..

(or check Scholars for 9/11 Truth ..)

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I think your the one who is under this national psychosis
Posted by: marked for re-indoctrination on Sep 11, 2006 5:07 AM   
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Future generations will marvel at your ability to deny Newtonian Physics...That some 75 and 90 floors respectivly, that were not damaged..... and building #7, that wasen't even hit by a jet, and managed to collapse from the effects of two seperate fires, that weren't even hot enough to break the windows!!!!!! All three buildings completely disintegrated so as to drop at free-fall speed....You are the one who drank the cool-aid......But it was designed to be a Psy-Op from the start, so this is the predictable result..Your the one thats having a reaction to the cool-aid, my idiot friend.....The fact that there is an obvious mis-information campaign in feverish competition with the 9/11 truth movement, and by that I mean the site that says' holograms of jets were used, is one indication of the verascity of the movement and the fear we instill in the Shadow Government that actually pulled the crime off...Future generations will compare the reaction evinced by the fool who wrote this column to the salem witch trial psychosis....

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Questions need answers, not ridicule.
Posted by: Erik N on Sep 11, 2006 9:01 AM   
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An unfortunate article, providing nothing but a flow of slander against those who question the actions of the US government in relation to 9/11. Mr Hutchinson has very little knowledge of the subject if he believes that there are no legitimate questions that needs to be answered before the subject of 9/11 can be let slide into history as solely an act of foreign aggression by Muslim fundamentalists.

The first and perhaps most important unanswered question is:
Who was responsible for hijacking those planes?

As several of the hijackers has turned up alive, others shown to have too poor piloting skills and many seen behaving very unislamic (doing drugs and getting lap dances at the Pink Pony Nude Theater right before the attacks), the question is far from answered - though we can be quite certain that several of the 19 terror-accused Islamic fundamentalists were neither terrorists nor fundamentalists.

There is "no legal proof to prove the identities of the suicidal hijackers" as FBI director Mueller put it - though others later changed the official FBI stand and confirmed that the accused hijackers, despite being alive after the attacks, had in fact flown into the WTC. The solution to this conundrum of life and death is quite stunning and wholly unsatisfactory; FBI spokesman Bill Carter simply stated that the FBI got the names right and it doesn't matter whether the identities were stolen. One might argue that establishing the actual identities of the perpetrators ought to be one of the things that their investigation should focus on, but apparently it is not very important or even relevant.

This lack of knowledge about, and official interest in, who actually did fly into those buildings leaves quite a big hole to fill with various conspiracy theories. The 9/11 Commissions detailed descriptions of how these still living men descended from civil society and became fundamentalist suicidals (of the Pink Pony variety) might make some people believe that the whole official story is a fairy tale of terror, a poorly written conspiracy theory. And rightly so.

Meanwhile, the 9/11 suicide-terrorists continue their lives as flight attendants and taxi drivers in Saudi Arabia with complete disregard for the officially sanctioned fact that they died five years ago.

And so the question lingers, who did it?

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Looks like this author is the conspiracy theorist here
Posted by: colek on Sep 11, 2006 4:02 PM   
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So uhhh, alternet, have you noticed it appears that essentially ALL your readers disagree with this author and his crackpot theories about a dozen middle eastern madmen destroying America. When essentially all your commenters disagree with this absurd notion, why do you continue to publish this lunatic? Are you lecturing us and calling us stupid? How absurd! Maybe you ought to take a realistic poll among your readers to see just how many of us disagree with your party line. Aren't you concerned that perhaps you are insulting the intelligence of 90%+ of your readers? And you're running out of money? Boo hoo! Guess what? We're all spending it on Loose Change.

So let's see in Oafus Hutchinson can defend his own ridiculous theories. So if the gov't CAN'T be involved, who did it? Who did it Oafus? And why?

Was it 12 crazed fundamentalists who weren't afraid to die for their religious fanatacism?

Was it Mohamad Atta? HArdcore religious fundamentalist? Spending 100K he got wired from the ISI getting drunk in Ft Lauderdale strip clubs and blowing all the dough on the lap dancers? Some hardcore religious fanatic, huh? Last I heard alcohol and sexual decadence was in direct contradication to the Koran. Oh and who killed that stripper? And on top of all that his dad SWEARS his son called him on Sept 12 saying he is still alive.

What about the bozos up here in Boston? I watched local tv reports early on before the spin machine started saying the apartment in Brookline these guys rented out and that they were partying it up and having escorts over. More deeply religious jihadi?

And what about Bin Laden? How is it he masterminded this plot having never been to America? And why did this Proud Jihad Leader deny involvement rather than proudly stand up and take credit for it? And how come all these phony videos? And what about his known kidney problem? Have they pioneered some sort of geothermal powered dialysis machine the runs on some sort of magical dialysis water that bubbles up from a hot spring?

And how did a pilot who according to his own flight instructor "could not fly at all" take a 747 and do flight manuvers that made experienced flight controllers think they were watching a military jet?

And what about the so called hijackers that are still alive and wondering how in the world they could still be alive when the news clearly shows they attacked the WTC?

Here's what I think. Maybe some of those guys got on those planes, maybe not. But they definitely did not fly them. Those planes were controlled, and those Arab party animals were told they were going to hijack the planes and take the passengers hostage to demand freedom for some palestinian prisoners. Once completed, they'd get sanctuary in Pakistan, a couple million bucks and a house full of sex slaves. Unbeknownst to them, they were to be made victims too.

I think this theory is a lot more supported by evidence than the other. I mean really! Dialysis in a cave? Obvious phony videos? Drunk fundamentalists in the strip joint?

These are only SOME of the questions we have about the hijackers? If you are supposed to be a journalist, you should be incredibly curious and skeptical about what our govt is telling us and more importantly what they DON'T want to talk about. I mean how bout the fact that when the 911 Omission called Bush and Cheney, they:
1. Refused to testify publicly.
2. Refused to be under oath.
3. Would only testify together
4. Allowed no documentation of their testimony.

Isn't that curious, that in THE defining moment of our history no one even bothers to ask why they won't be under oath or what they might have to hide?

DUH!

We're not all idiots - you're an shill.

Alternet, if you go bankrupt soliciting your left side shill, too bad.

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This guy has got to be kidding
Posted by: constitution516 on Sep 11, 2006 8:08 PM   
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Yes I think this man is right. Its a plain coincidence that our goverment didn't scrabble planes to stop any of the perported hi jacked planes. Its also a coincidence how we were running war games on this day too. And it must have been a coincidence that we knew everyone on the planes within a day and had all their pictures and life stories. We also knew it was Bin Laden and we were going to War to get him. And again it must have been a coincidence that GW Bush didn't investigate immediately only took 410 days after September 11th and he kicked and screamed about this too? Then there is world trade center building 7 that just came down outta nowhere? And the Moltan Steel under all the buildings. And there was the supposed plane that hit the Pentagon? One of the securest buildings in the world if not the securest and all they produce is video footage from a parking field? There are camera's every 30 feet on that building where is the BOEING? Each time the polls tank on the Iraq War or Bush there are new terror alerts and doctored video footage of some obscure supposed man in charge or second in control of Al Quiada making threats or faked beheadings. Whats also odd is that during the London Bombings they were also doing Mock Terror games in London? Another coincidence 3 tube trains and a bus disintegrate and the English are practicing Terror games? Yes we are all sadly mistaken and pariniod. Read PNAC and see what they had in mind and why. No reason to feel pariniod. Mr Bush just declared himself a dictator. He is above the law. He no longer has to follow the llaw he is above it. Our consitutional RIGHTs are inalienable? Not with this guy. Yes we are at War with our consitution and the looting of AMERICA.

Why is this guy blogging on Alter Net anyway?
Is it time to find a new news site again?

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SMOKING earl
Posted by: ph-q-u-2 on Sep 14, 2006 6:39 PM   
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To all the Good people out there, excuse my potty mouth vernacular and just let me rant will ya? I’m going to call this “Message to earl”

OOPS --- I done fell through the floor, looks like I’m down on your level now earl, since I’m here think I’ll dance around awhile, care to join me Earl, Ya say Ya like to Bar-BQ? Then let’s have some

Well look at you go Earl, if you can’t blind ‘em with brilliance and you can’t, then baffle ‘em with bullshit, right, is that the best you guys can do, well your damage control isn’t working very good is it earl? Is this what makes you and your butt pucking slime buddies believe we’re somehow as stupid as you, now that’s fantasy earl, and a funny one at that, boy, do I have pity on you (no that’s a bare face lie - so I take that back) I seriously doubt you’ll care to see this, but look anyways you chicken shit, apparently you’ve made every last one of us in here feel that same degree of lets kill earl way down deep inside, well I almost flamed out on that petty hit piece of yours, now you won’t mind me trying to return some of that same lame flavored consideration back at you, now would you earl? Hey, stupid you opened the door, invited me in!!!

It’s easy to see that you don’t have much use or respect for either the truth or for that of reason Earl

But hey, that’s O.K.

Sure I can see where it’s too risky using truth and reason on you, Earl, it would only bring you dangerously close to the edge of reality, just think, after all you and your fascist puck buddies have done for all of us, then to have one of you to fall onto our side of the fence, man we’d eat you alive, so hell, why even waste my time on you, right? Well why don’t you tell me the answer to that (you don’t want to know the answer to that, now do you earl). There’s just no way around dealing with me is there? Here I am earl, at least for a while, just to see how long I can be entertained with your juvenile thinking in that you can pump more black smoke up my poopy chute than I can yours

Earl, hope you’re wearing your girlie panties you pussy, this little get together IS in your dishonor How about I cut you some slack and start out writing this real slow, because I know you don’t read very fast earl, how do I know that? well earl, you’re way behind the times and if for reasons other than that, I seriously doubt anyone with your level of diminished I.Q. and impaired sensibilities could possibly possess even a minimum of adequate skills that would be necessary to keep up with my granddaughter’s typing much less a GIANT KILLER like me (the David and Goliath thing earl, the very thing you vermin are afraid of) you know earl, I’ve been known to smash a piss ant or two and I do it with a big smile on my face, I’m talking to talking you earl. Oh, now I know you won’t bother yourself by thanking me for any courtesy while I treat you like the whiney baby you are, but shucks earl, I have patience and do this all the time for a two year old (but she’s not quite this slow amigo) but you know what, lets say you’re damn welcome just the same you stupid PH – Q (earl you pronounce it phonically)

TO BE CONTINUED

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CONTINUED Message to earl
Posted by: ph-q-u-2 on Sep 14, 2006 6:44 PM   
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With the way this Truth thing is starting to pick up steam and by forecasting your crippled credibility as an inevitable by-product hereof, it’s beginning to look like there won’t be much saving face, will there earl?, which will also mean your ass will probably be just as worthless, but hey, Good news ol’ buddy, lucky for you, you caught me in just the right mood, so let me tell you what I’m willing to do, I’ll give you .50 cents a piece for the face and the ass, because I’ve always dreamed of having a pair of identically matched mud flaps for my old tractor and you know on second thought that useless credibility of yours would probably come in extra handy as a good ass wipe out in the field, so if I’ll throw in an extra quarter for it think we can we make a deal?

Now, for the my, my, my, would you just look at the way old Earl here has done went and shamelessly insulted a far superior intelligence (that would be all of these fine folks in here) say why in the hell not, I’ll include myself in here with ‘em, that be O.K. with you Earl? And be a part of all of the whom who are just simply seeking truthful answers to the many, though greatly mysterious but yet equally valid concerns, earl, yet it seems there are those (like shit head you and others) who would like to keep those things their own little secret (just being stingy ain’t you earl?) Doesn’t matter, earl, we’re gonna git it anyways I’d also bet my hard earned money (ya hear that earl I’ve got an HONEST job, oh you don’t know what an honest job is, do you earl?) those genuine (you don’t know what genuine means either, do you earl?) attempts by the afore mentioned REAL human beings just wasted their good faith time trying to help you pull your head out where the sun can shine on it (oh I see, sensitive to light – uh huh)

I think right now would be a good time to take up a collection, lets see if we can get old earl here a TINTED (here that earl tinted) Plexi-Dectomy/20-20 operation (O.K. for those who never heard of such a thing, here goes, a little invention of mine where you sew a one foot square piece of optical Plexiglas (O.K. earl tinted) in the abdominal region, now you say, why would you do that right? So old earl here can see where he’s going while he has his head stuck up his ass and then he won’t run the risk of accidentally bumping into any of us anymore)

You know what earl? Any man (this goes for you too earl) insults my intelligence in person the way you have would need a Plexi-Dectomy to find his way to the hospital, that’s if he didn’t try to crawl on his belly to get there (catch my drift, that would be a hint earl)

Until then earl listen up boy, didn’t yore momma ever teach you no manners I guess not, I know she threw you out in the back yard with the chickens so you could learn how to walk and talk but she just didn’t drop kick your melon head often enough did she earl? Tell you what Earl seeing as how I don’t usually stand on the killing side of that abortion issue, however you know old buddy I would’ve made a special exception, one time just for you, even paid money out of my own pocket So be glad I’m not yore momma earl

TO BE CONTINUED

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CONTINUED Message to earl
Posted by: ph-q-u-2 on Sep 14, 2006 6:46 PM   
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Let’s see, can I be as brazen as you? (I got my head fully up my ass now, how am I looking Earl?) Truthfully I don’t think any of us in here (or anywhere for that matter) would even miss you, it won’t hurt my feelings a bit at all when you fuckers disappear, (that won't be long earl) hey I can play with my dog Frankly (no not my dog earl) Frankly if that’s the best you punks can do, your junk contributions to all of humanity will soon simply fade away or be burned with the rest of the trash the liars the thieves the murderers and the 911 smoke screen jokers like you as well as fox and cnn and msnbc and ect. and ect. and ect., you know who I’m talking about don’t you Earl? You worthless fucks are going down and you know it, look on the bright side earl you’ll have people like me to thank for it, would you like to take me up on that Earl? Don’t be thinking maybe then earl you could run for congress, because we won’t be putting Queers on the ballot (hear that loud and clear earl no queers on the ballot)

But I must say I rather enjoyed that otherwise tasteless and unremarkable scathing analysis you had for all of us in your little hit piece theory, I haven’t laughed that hard in years My eight year old grand daughter just in from Conspiracy School, read it and said “is he for real Poppie”? Hell, she’s still rolling around on the floor laughing Don’t let this shock you earl, but I think you’re going to be tomorrow’s show and tell And guess what, I never would have guessed this, so I bet you haven’t even noticed it yet, dude you obviously have your own pet Conspiracy Theories even ones about all of us Conspiracy theorist’s, now now why don’t you fess up Earl, yep, transparent as it can be, my how are we going to explain that to your puck buddies earl, better go check it out it’s really peeking And of coarse, since you had to bring this down to a personal level, not only with me but the ever growing better informed half of this country (that would be those with brains earl, you don’t know what brains are, do you earl?) Say you wouldn’t mind if I got a little personal back, huh Mr. Froid. I realize that I may only be a simple innocently appearing, dumber than dirt, destitute Conspiracy theorist and part time ninja welder in your eyes Mr. Roid, even so, still there’s only two thing’s on the face of this earth that can make a worthless smuck like you do the pucked up things you and your pucked up buddies do. Just TWO things, are you with me earl? From the looks of your unnourished photograph I’m ruling out one of those right, now so I’d have to say it’s definitely the money angle So what do they pay a jerk off like you for this kind (ref. your art.) of trash anyways? (boy are you fucking them earl because your flim flam just ain’t working no more) by the way since you went after the money Earl, and not the OTHER STUFF you dip stick, how much porn do you reckon you got on that old computer of yours, been going to those kiddie sights, haven’t you earl? I SAID, haven’t you earl?

Dammit man, to think you get paid all that money for sucking up, but now earl, don’t you go worrying or getting me wrong on this one, cause I wouldn’t even dream of removing 99.99% of my healthy brain just to be able to compete with the losing likes of you, although, I do believe I could delight myself by pissing on you then pissing you Futher Muckers’s off on a daily basis and would be happy to do it for half what you cost. (are we having fun yet earl?) But hey don’t let me stop you from enjoying that thirty pieces of silver ya here, except you best pray to your god if you got one that I don’t end up with the franchise rights for the concession stand in the next life, cause ol’ buddy, I’ll remember those like you

TO BE CONTINUED

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CONTINUED Message to earl
Posted by: ph-q-u-2 on Sep 14, 2006 6:49 PM   
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This getting you down earl. Perhaps this will cheer your stupid ass up a little

O.K. knock knock
Who’s there?
Conspiracy
Conspiracy who?
Conspiracy theory
Conspiracy theory who?

Aw come on Earl, you should know this one
Three seconds Earl – (GONG in back ground)
Time’s up earl (and I mean that literally)
Looks like you’re still a loser ol’ buddy buddy

It’s “Conspiracy Theory Earl” – you dumb PH – Q (remember earl phonically)

What a disappointment that was, Too Bad earl, I really thought you had this one By the way, that Qupie Doll prize, hell, I was going to give it to you just for spite anyways because I know as a matter of absolute irrefutable fact a dumb shit like you just couldn’t have any real friends (oh was that a supposition earl?) but alas, my scientifically trained Conspiracy Theory attack dogs (by the way are also active in the Truth Movement) must have thought it was a spineless illegal alien porno princess chicken dip highly over paid pseudo JOURNALIST from some other planet and ate it

But hold on don’t give up so fast O.K. earl, here’s an easy one for you, you start out slow then keep saying these words one after the other faster and faster and faster, do you understand that earl? Make me proud boy Are you ready? GO

EYE
YAM
SOFA
KING
WEE
TODD
DID

See there, cleared that denial of yours right up didn’t it earl, I feel better already don’t you? What’s that earl? the Qupie Doll prize, right, as soon as it makes it through the loop I promise I’ll send it to you

Hey Good people, you think maybe I shouldn’t be so hard on old Earl here, cause, if I piss him off too much, he might not show us anymore of those spectacular (look ma – no brains) death defying handicapped mental tricks of his. And I do mean death defying, don’t I earl?
Well earl, I didn’t hear a soul in here speak up in your behalf, so I guess that unanimous silence must mean you’re just DOOMED and not only in here pal Wait, maybe you could have the E.P.A. create a endangered species list for your kind, but then maybe not, I heard your little attraction is coming soon to a Grand Jury near you, ya, near you earl, like real soon. Judging by the combined arrogance of all of you clowns, you must think you’re still pretty safe, well, don’t be surprised when you find out you’re not. Take a look around Bozo, you’re down to hiding behind Hollywood, now ain’t THAT a shame

TO BE CONTINUED

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CONTINUED Message to earl
Posted by: ph-q-u-2 on Sep 14, 2006 6:51 PM   
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Another thing prick let me pick on your pride awhile

“The Emerging Black GOP Majority” –

Don’t think so pal, Mexicans got you beat, your “Majority” is still a minority and still no more than pawns to this (temporary at best) government administration, preparing to use them not unlike those to be used in the current immigration crisis “The Emerging Mexican GOP Majority” (we have a remedy for them too) – just mere expendable board pieces in this little chess game we have going They’ll be polishing the brass the same way you and your ancestors have for the other administrations in the past, ya those very ones that have used your unsuspecting paranoid race to promote the demented goals of their great unseen agenda, (haven't got a clue about that do you earl?) but never the less that means you’re in there somewhere too Einstein, one day all of your abundant ignorance will just melt away like the unwanted calories of your class of deserving starving non-artists, you’ll see. You ain’t kidding no one else, so why even kid yourself for one minute that we don’t know what it is you pricks are so afraid of, of coarse you can see it coming can’t you earl? If you don’t, why don’t you take you a real quick little look-see before the steam roller shows up?

Like the prophecy says earl “you worthless fucks are going down” (Message to earl; chap 1; verse 8)

So, you better watch out, you better not lie

Here me singing earl?

Putting you on trial and trying you twice

Ta – Da Da – Da Da – Ta – Da Da – Da Da
Ta – Da

Think I’m psycho earl, stick around you ain’t seen nothing yet

So how long you gonna beat on that drum of yours earl, I’ll tell you how long earl. Until someone like me rips it out of your hands and shove it up your stupid ass earl, that’s how long

You know what else earl? I just ain’t skeerd, but you better be with the Fifth of November right around the corner. V

Then it’s So Long earl

Look at it like this earl, with you and the rest of you morbid fucks intent on destroying this country just what the fuck could I possibly hurt if I started tearing up everything in sight, that would also include assholes like you, want to hear something really scary earl I don’t have anything to lose, take this is an express invitation to have a real serious sober thought about your impending doom in your next moment of clarity pal
(pal = personal ass licker)

One last thing earl, don’t flatter yourself thinking I would go to all this trouble just to thump on you, I wouldn’t (not in here anyways) this is for all the innocent people that were murdered on 911, our soldiers that will fight and lose their lives in this fabricated war, as well as the Good people still out there looking for nothing but the truth, that you just shit on, but who will read it and appreciate it for what it is, an epitaph

To them I say God Bless You Guys and don’t let the earls of this world knock you out of focus

Thank you, that was the conclusion of this evening’s presentation and Elvis has left the building

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Read the EPA Report.
Posted by: Ashington on Sep 16, 2006 7:59 PM   
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Lower Manhattan had safe enough air to breath, Not Ground Zero. Your just listening to Jingo, ..which comes from the style of Investagations known as Yellow Journalism..or just Journalism.

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Say What?
Posted by: ConnecttheDots on Sep 7, 2006 2:02 PM   
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Hutchinson seems to be saying that if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's a goddam duck. Go figure!

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Look First
Posted by: rwa on Sep 7, 2006 2:23 PM   
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False Flag Operations: Declassified Military Documents Show How US Government Planned Terrorist Attacks Against its Own Citizens



New York, NY (PRWEB) September 7th, 2006 – As reported by ABC News, stunning military documents codenamed "Operation Northwoods" were declassified in recent years and show how in 1962, the top US military leaders planned an operation to create terror attacks against its own cities and kill US citizens. See: http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1


The documents state that through the fabrication of false evidence, the US would blame Cuba and gain public support for an unpopular war against Castro. They included developing a fake Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, the use of airplanes, and much more.

For further details, the now declassified military documents are available at the National Security Archive of the George Washington University: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

In his newly published book "Towers of Deception – The Media Cover-Up of 9/11," Barrie Zwicker, writes about Operation Northwoods and many other such operations that the military and intelligence community refer to as "false flag operations." http://www.newsociety.com/bookid/3932

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Very sad Earl
Posted by: fifthworld on Sep 7, 2006 2:34 PM   
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Perhaps Senor Hutchinson should find another news-site to blog on, because this is a shameful display of denial and general hooey. It really is beneath AlterNet.

I'll just give you one amazing line from this piece that tells us where's he's coming from:

"The theories are groundless, and have been debunked by a legion of scientists, technicians and investigators." Which theories? Not the ones, for example, propounded on such many sites as Scholarsfor911truth.org. The opposite of what you say is the case, particularly with regard to the tower demolitions: the issue is who is willing to come forward; and fortunately every day another senior intelligence ex-official (Repub's I might add ) or politician or new candidate (Bob Boman, FL!) not to mention the legions of well-regarded scientists and engineers (incl. on-site, first-hand accounts as evidence) confirming the studies and refining them, comes on board and helps contribute to putting the big lies to the official accounts.

Not to mention the slips from the horses' mouths themselves, about "pulling" WTC -7, and all the endless rest, from Bush on out.

Look, "conspiracy theory" itself is a derrogatory, dismissive term, and extremely offensive to those of us who are serious about the issue and the cover-up, the many unanswered questions -- although more are being answered as we move. Using the term only shows ignorance, fear and an unwillingness to probe. Sure, there might be some bunk out there, but the central players in the scientific and other communities addressing the big scam deserve your full hearing.

I have to say that seeing a piece of rubbish like this on this site makes me really angry. Damn it, do your research Earl!

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Paul Craig Roberts
Posted by: rwa on Sep 7, 2006 2:48 PM   
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Five Years After and We Still Don’t Know

By Paul Craig Roberts

09/07/06 "Information Clearing House " -- -- In the five years since three World Trade Center buildings collapsed into their own footprints in virtually free fall time, the convincing power of the official explanation of that day’s events has evaporated. Polls show that 36% of Americans do not believe the official account. As Lev Grossman writes in Time magazine (September 3, 2006), “Thirty-six percent adds up to a lot of people. This is not a fringe phenomenon. It is a mainstream political reality.”

Grossman acknowledges that alternative explanations of 9/11 are more compelling than the official explanation. Grossman offers a psychological explanation for the success of alternative explanations: “a grand disaster like Sept. 11 needs a grand conspiracy behind it.”

However, Grossman’s psychological explanation fails on its own terms. Which is the grandest conspiracy theory? The interpretation of 9/11 as an orchestrated casus belli to justify US invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, or the interpretation that a handful of Muslims defeated US security multiple times in one short morning and successfully pulled off the most fantastic terrorist attack in history simply because they “hate our freedom and democracy”? Orchestrating events to justify wars is a stratagem so well worn as to be boring. Indeed, it is the fantastic conspiracy of the official explanation that makes it unbelievable.

The scientists, engineers, and professors who pose the tough questions about 9/11 are not people who spend their lives making sense of their experience by constructing conspiracy theories. Scientists and scholars look to facts and evidence. They are concerned with the paucity of evidence in behalf of the official explanation. They stress that the official explanation is inconsistent with known laws of physics, and that the numerous security failures, when combined together, are a statistical improbability.

The call by 9/11 skeptics for an independent investigation by an international panel of experts is not a conspiracy theory. In principle there is nothing wrong with such an investigation. In practice, it might be difficult to create a truly independent panel. How many physicists, for example, have careers independent of government grants, and how many engineering firms would risk being branded “unpatriotic” and lose business by coming down on the “wrong” side of the issue?

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Let the conspiarcy wingnuts agitate...
Posted by: pzzp on Sep 7, 2006 3:33 PM   
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...let them loose upon the wingnuts now in power. Maybe this clash of uncivilizations will cancel each other out.

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Deconstructing "Conspiracy Theorizing"
Posted by: kenadrian on Sep 7, 2006 3:43 PM   
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The terms "conspiracy theory" and "conspiracy theorist" are convenient labels used ridicule anyone who dares to question authority.

In a democracy we DO question our politicians' officially stories though, especially when they don't appear to make sense - when they are MANY loose ends.

Did the gov't lie about Pearl Harbour? Yes. Did they lie about Vietnam? Yes. Did they lie about Iraq? Yes. History reveals that the gov't is CAPABLE and WILLING to deceive it's own citizens for self-interested, political reasons.

In spite of this historical fact, those of us who want complete transparency, full disclosure, real accountability are "the crazy ones"... at least that's what people like Earl are saying.

Let's look at Earl's rhetoric:

"Conspiracy theorists are gearing up for a big blast on the fifth anniversary of the September 11 terror attacks... There's nothing new in any of this."

That's true, there IS nothing new in the fact that we're not buying 'the official story'. Why should we when it leaves out so many crucial details of evidence, ignores so many historical facts, defies the laws of physics, etc.?

Earl continues:

"The instant the planes slammed into the World Trade Center, the conspiracy mill spun into high gear..."

Notice how the conspiracy theorists (and their theories) are all bundled together as one great big bunch of 'wing-nuts'. This is another form of Ad Hominem which treats all theories as one and, again, ignores the facts.

"The theories are groundless, and have been debunked by a legion of scientists, technicians and investigators."

Not true. This is Earl's opinion, unsupported by references to credible and reliable scientific research.

"So why do so many Americans believe them? And there are millions that do."

Answer: Because Americans are not as stupid as their gov't has the arrogance to believe... and they're not willing to "take Earl's word for it" either. We prefer to weight ALL of the evidence for ourselves. Sorry Earl.

"Hollywood and the TV industry have also horned in on the conspiracy act..."

Hollywood produces works of fiction. They also produce non-fictional documentary works. This author wants to bundle them together; again Ad Hominem. Earl's basically saying that those Hollywood types are crazy too... oh, and they're profiteering from it all (not true as many of the docs are donating profits to charity).

The CIA, FBI, and other commentary. Well, since Osama Bin Laden was a CIA asset for many years during the original war in Afghanistan and his family are/were friends of the Budh family, and since they were the ONLY people allowed to leave the U.S.A. on the day of this tragedy, we still want some questions answered. Sorry Earl, we're curious that way.

"Though the 9/11 Commission in its final report let Bush off the hook for any blame for the terror attacks, it still obliquely chided the administration for its lack of preparedness. "

Imagine that! The Commission appointed by the President let him off the hook! Will wonders never cease?!

"The rub is that the conspiracy theorists don't need to spend three days spinning 9/11 conspiracy fantasies to make that case. If anything, they'll just give critics more ammunition to laugh them off as kooks, crazies, and loonies. Maybe that's part of the conspiracy too."

Right, so now the author switche language. Conspiracy FANTASIES now... and he punctuates this with his main assertion that anyone who dares to question things is crazy... and we should ridicule them.

Earl's not crazy. He believes whatever he's told even if that official story doesn't make sense or is incomplete.

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More questions than theories
Posted by: hezekiah on Sep 7, 2006 3:51 PM   
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"The theories are groundless, and have been debunked by a legion of scientists, technicians and investigators."
(You fail to mention, sir, that the legitimacy of the questions raised by so-called 'conspiracy theorists' have also been supported by legions of scientists, technicians, and investigators, as well as by eyewitnesses.)

The proliferating calls for truth concerning the events of 9/11, and the justifiable wish to bring to justice those who are responsible for, or have profited from, the tragedy are in no way based on some deep-seated wish for the more radical theories to be accurate. It would greatly ease my mind to have all these theories debunked, but that has not happened.

The 9-11 Commission Report was little better than the Warren Commission's conclusion that Oswald fired a 'magic' bullet. I am sorry, but magic is more loony than the 9/11 Truth Movement. History has proven time and again that our government is not the beneficent democracy of, by, and for the people it claims to be. Some examples of conspiratorial malevolence on the part of government (of both parties) and corporate interests are detailed, though by no means exhaustively, in this very article. And I applaud the author for re-iterating some of them. The eagerness and bravado with which he brands all doubters as "kooks, crazies, and loonies" is however, very disturbing. Calling a duck a duck is fair. But in this case, the author is resorting to name-calling in an ongoing debate in which the burden of proof has shifted to those supporting the official line.

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Simplistic interpretations...
Posted by: ahmlco on Sep 7, 2006 4:16 PM   
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Above someone states, "...or the interpretation that a handful of Muslims defeated US security multiple times in one short morning and successfully pulled off the most fantastic terrorist attack in history simply because they “hate our freedom and democracy.""

Baloney. It only makes sense if you frame the question in those terms.

First, they don't hate our "freedom and democracy". They do see many of our values as corrupt and opposed to their religous beliefs, quite a few hate our support of Israel and our often narrow, coporate self-interests, as well as our tendencies to support "stability" in the region by regime change and government overthrow in pursuit of those interests. In short, we meddle.

As to "defeating security", you make it sound like a major feat. Pre-9/11 I once forgot I had a 3" folding knife in a North Face jacket coat pocket. The airline security screener found it, opened it, measured it against his palm, grunted, put it back, and waved me through.

Do I think there's questions yet to be answered? Yes. But paranoia for the sake of paranoia is not the way we're going to get there.

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empty article
Posted by: spanky on Sep 7, 2006 5:11 PM   
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The author frames the issue as if it were black and white and one need only decide to believe the official story all the way, or believe none of it.

What if one accepts the entire official account, except for a single element, for example the fact that WTC7 collapsed on its own even though there is very little evidence available to support this? Does this constitute a conspiracy theory?

AlterNet blew it by allowing this excrement to be published.

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Ofari: Slouching Toward the "Mainstream"
Posted by: Nuuon on Sep 7, 2006 5:25 PM   
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I considered adding my won scientific critique of
Mr. Hutchinson's pathetic rant, but I believe the
responses provided so far handle Mr. Hutchinson's
foolishness adequately.

However, I would like to point out that what Mr.
Hutchinson is really railing against is the
911 MOVEMENT, not just a mere "theory." The
fact that this MOVEMENT won't go away is what really
bothers people like Mr. Hutchinson. Apparently this
911 MOVEMENT is also beginning to scare some aspects
of-- yes I'm going to say it --our Secret Government.
They have acknowledged the 911 MOVEMENT's growing
power and influence: based on the growing attacks
on same.

Mr. Hutchinson is either extremely lazy or extremely
opportunistic-- perhaps both. He is pandering for
some reason, maybe hoping he will get some invites
to CNN and MSNBC; proving that he is "safe" by his
baseless rant regarding the 911 MOVEMENT.


If Mr. Hutchinson really had something to say, one
would expect him to show some courage and debate
someone publicly on the subject. But based on the
vehemence of his rant, I bet he got burned on this
issue more than once already.

People like Mr. Hutchinson represent the New
McCarthyism
: He yells "conspiracist" in the
same way that Sen. Joseph McCarthy used to yell
"communist." And the use of the "conspiracist"
buzzword is designed to have the same oppressive
affects. The buzzword is designed to shut down
rational thinking, not promote it.

Shame on you, Earl. Lives are at stake and you have
proven that you can't be trusted in a crisis.

It's as simple as that.

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Gee, I guess al-Jazeera is in on the cover-up too
Posted by: brunowe on Sep 7, 2006 6:29 PM   
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Here's the story.

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Al Jazeera
Posted by: rwa on Sep 7, 2006 6:50 PM   
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is a government controlled media in an occupied country (puppet statelet). Created by and totally subserviant to imperial power.

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Never mind, you win.
Posted by: fifthworld on Sep 7, 2006 7:01 PM   
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Back to K street, you've got some phone messages.

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As a "leftist radical" I gotta say...
Posted by: peacechicken on Sep 7, 2006 9:30 PM   
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This is really disappointing to see on Alternet... if this were on Digg it'd be thumbs down ASAP.

I have to 2nd everything kenadrian said, especially:
"The terms "conspiracy theory" and "conspiracy theorist" are convenient labels used ridicule anyone who dares to question authority... In a democracy we DO question our politicians' officially stories though, especially when they don't appear to make sense - when they are MANY loose ends... History reveals that the gov't is CAPABLE and WILLING to deceive it's own citizens for self-interested, political reasons."

Earl says the theories are groundless? Really? Has he done any real investigation into this? Maybe some of the theories are a little kooky, but there are some that make too much sense to dismiss. Just because a person believes there's an alternate explanation doesn't mean they subscribe to every alternate explanation.

One of the 9/11 Scholars for Truth, a Vietnam combat veteran and Congressional candidate named Dr. Robert Bowman, sums it up the best:
“If the government has nothing to hide, then why are they hiding everything?”

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Interesting article.
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Sep 7, 2006 10:05 PM   
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It places the emphasis on finding a way to best deal with a problem, rather than explaining physics and engineering to those who have (more or less) let their justified (more or less) anger at the administration take a front seat over their objectivity.

Conspiracy theorist aren't bad folks; they are just overly passionate about their faith-based belief structures. I've never called someone a bad name for going to church, and I'm certainly not about to call someone a bad name for believing in whatever didn't occur in NYC 5 years ago.

The wonkies do, however, tend to distract--albeit just a little--from solutions that must be reached in the real world.

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Wow
Posted by: angrylefty on Sep 8, 2006 5:11 AM   
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So I get this email yesterday asking me to donate some money to Alternet. "We're running out of money", they say. "Where else can you get this type of news coverage?", they implore. So I dutifully donate some of my hard-earned cash because, of course, I agree with them.

Cut to today. By way of thanks, Earl Ofari Hutchinson is now telling me to shut up, get in line, and buy into the "official" fable of 9/11? I am to believe the steaming pile of "facts" that are being shoveled down my throat by one of the most corrupt administrations in history? Well, I could have gotten this type of coverage at CNN.com, couldn't I? For Free.

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this poll bothers me
Posted by: mazel on Sep 8, 2006 5:14 AM   
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"A Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll found that more than a third of Americans believe that the government knows more than it's telling about 9/11 or had some hand in it."

There's a big difference between the government knowing more than they're telling and having a hand in it. I don't believe they had a hand in it, but I do believe they know more about it than they're telling, and I admit that belief is based more on the fact that they are a bunch of sneaky, underhanded pathological liars than anything else--there is no way in hell they are going to tell us everything they know about anything that happens.

I don't think this belief should lump me with conspiracy wackos. This poll should have been more precise.

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Theories and Praxis
Posted by: talkville on Sep 8, 2006 5:25 AM   
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Ah, theorizing. 9/11/2001 happened. Actual, flesh and blood people responded. How is this event being utilized? By whom?

Most books I read contain an Introduction, a Preface; a pre-text. Clever people are adept at transforming an event into a valuable and critical tool; individualism, competition, corporatism and ego do the rest.

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canipanic
Posted by: canipanic on Sep 8, 2006 8:20 AM   
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we now know,the reason for going to war in Iraq...oh wait a minute..weren't all the reasons given debunked?yet there we are.i don't want to add another "conspiricy theory"..we still haven't been told the truth,so all we are left with are "theories"..there seems to be one thing said that i haven't heard debunked yet,not a word...we were assured we were not going into Iraq for the oil.if all the other things said were found to be untruths,why would people still believe we did not go to iraq for the oil?heres my theory:greedy rich peole want the oil,and Bush thinks God is speaking to him...it's the only thing that makes sense to me...that is also why we will never get to the bottom of all these mideast distubances.the oil companies do whatever they want(record profits as gas prices rise) and Bush will never admit God is talking with him..

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Another sheeple...
Posted by: Xphilechef on Sep 8, 2006 10:10 AM   
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This is a very disappointing article to see on Alternet. Since 9/11 I have seen very little information in the mainstream media regarding the suspect events that occured that day and how our government may be involved, even though there is AMPLE evidence to suggest that is the case. The mere fact that suggestion is called a "conspiracy theory" by those in the media immediately implies to the general public that there is no credence in these beliefs. However, the fact remains that there is more than enough factual evidence to suggest that the official 9/11 myth espoused by the Bush administration is an outright lie. I am not going to go into the wealth of evidence here because it would take way too long, but I do encourage people to check out a few websites. I know that other people have mentioned www.scholarsfor911truth.com, and that is a fabulous site. Also, check out www.loosechange911.com and watch the free documentary which is a pretty good intruduction to researching the 9/11 myth. For those of you that discount this based on the notion that a bunch of left wing radicals got together to simply slander the government, please just take a look and challenge yourself. Try to ask yourself this question: who stands to gain from 9/11? Nothing is as black and white as the Bush administration would like sheeples to believe.

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basic facts
Posted by: spanky on Sep 8, 2006 11:14 AM   
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Let's get one thing straight. There is a difference between those that allege that a drone aircraft crashed into the Pentagon; or that flight 93 landed in Cleveland and the passengers were abducted by aliens; or whatever... and those that are simply pointing out that BASIC elements of the official story do not appear to make sense.

While I do not discount any of the various theories, what's more important is just looking at the basic evidence and asking if parts of it do not hold up to scrutiny.

1) Is it unusual that *all three* WTC buildings collapsed straight down like they did, when there is no precedent for this? Esp WTC7, which was not hit by a plane.
2) Why won't the govt won't release the confiscated footage of the Pentagon crash?
3) Why did it take so long for fighter jets to get up in the air?
4) Why did eyewtinesses in NYC report hearing explosions prior to the collapse of the WTC buildings?

I am advancing no theories. Just asking the questions. Since I have not seen answers to these and other questions, I think it's logical to ask for answers. What's the alternative???

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left gate keeping fantasies
Posted by: Micahyah on Sep 8, 2006 1:25 PM   
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The government's story is not consistent with how WTC 1, 2, and 7 fell.

Other problems with the government's story that have been proven is that there were multiple war games, at least 5, on 9/11, some of which involved hijacking. Also, Norman Mineta's testimony to the 9/11 commission of what went on between Cheney and the aide concerning an order about the plane approaching the pentagon. Cheney said he wasn't there, but then when he testified to the 9/11 commission, it was behind closed doors.

Also, the $100,000 sent to Atta from the same Pakistani ISI general that is having breakfast with Porter Goss, Powell, Bob Graham, on 9/11.

I say use Occam's Razor, and think about what is more likely, that Mineta just made up the conversation in his TESTIMONY to the 9/11 commission? Or did Cheney lie to the public about his actions related to the plane heading towards the Pentagon?

Is it more likely that Al queda "Lucked out" and had their attack on the same day of 5+ wargames going on, or is it more likely that officials who moved those war games to that date were complicit in the attack?

Is it more likely that PNAC just caught a 'lucky break' ? on 9/11, a year after saying they wanted to implement a foreign policy that would take a new pearl harbor to implement? Or was there complicity?

Look at all the 'coincidences' that have to be explained away by the government's account. If you look at the probability alone of all these things just being coincidences it is so miniscule it wouldn't be believed.

Think about who was executive director of the 9/11 Commission, Philip Zelikow. He's not only part of the Bush transition team from 2000, and a writer of the Bush doctrine of 2002, but also a co-author and colleague from Bush I of Condoleeza Rice, the National Security Advisor that 'failed' on 9/11. That is a ridiculous conflict of interest. And then you look at Zelikow's expertise - political myths. Read some of his writings prior to 9/11 about what the effect of a dramatic terror attack would do to the American people.

It's far more likely that there was complicity than there was no complicity. The physical evidence AND the circumstantial evidence goes against the government's explanation.

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Alternot rules the opposite world!
Posted by: dainin on Sep 8, 2006 1:49 PM   
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The official story is not only a conspiracy theory, but it is one that appeals to our most contemptible instincts.

The only thing more contemptible is a media ho calling anyone who questions this racist shite a “conspiracy theorist”.

Alternot rules this new opposite world.

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Are you a fool?
Posted by: Wish on Sep 8, 2006 3:01 PM   
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Mr. Earl Ofari Hutchinson, you are a fool if you belief your government won't do heinous acts just for their own selfish and megalomanic porposes. You don't have to be a what you call "conspiracy theorist" to see that. It's in every word and act.

So instead of ridiculing these socalled 'conspiracy theorists'. ridicule your government. Kick butt.
Expose your government any way possible. Your 'government' that made this world the dangerous place it is now. They are criminals.

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Summation: still the prevailing fear and innocence
Posted by: fifthworld on Sep 8, 2006 4:20 PM   
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It is so incredibly hard to fathom that we're living under a ruthless, monstrous homicidal/genocidal regime (fading into or fronting the 'shadow govt' behind it) that, shall we say gently, implemented 911. It's called cognitive dissonance. But it's true.

"Conspiracy theory" is a reflex response, like vomiting. When you can't handle and don't want to examine the realities of the whole scenario and its contexts, specifically the neocon fantasy of 'full-spectrum domination' - you just lump together all who simply ask questions. All who might simply want to question authority for gods' sakes! And that is a damned shame. It is a way of reacting, fight or flight, rather than responding.

With such massive evil afoot now in the US, the stakes are high, and sides do get polarized. But I think the best coming-together point has to be a large-scale insistence by the sober minds out there on a NEW INVESTIGATION. Not an original thought I know, but one that needs propounding. An INDEPENDENT people's commission, with senior scientists called on regardless of political afilliation. Perhaps it is some of the victims' families who should choose this commission, or be instrumental in that process at least. A local activist here, from NJ, makes note of the Jersey Girls, and warns they're set to kick some serious butt!

Remember too, this whole campaign for 911 truth is unfolding far faster, and at a higher level and with much greater clarity and focus, than the Kennedy assassination. An unfortunately incommensurate analogy, given the overwhelming scope of "that fateful day" and the unanswered q's, but so be it.

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Here's One Conspiracy That Should Not Be Overlooked
Posted by: pelle_in_goal on Sep 8, 2006 7:39 PM   
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Critics of the critics of the 9/11 Commission Report are mostly found on the Cable news channels. They are usually the pundits and political agendists -- like Mr. Hutchinson -- and not investigative journalists. They are paid a king's ransom to label EVERYTHING from the left as crazy, kooky, and lunatic. People on the left know that all too well.

That means that Earl can spare us the rest of the bullshit.

Mr. Hutchinson is neither an architect, structural engineer, physicist, physician, or demolitions expert. Nor does he have experience in counter-terrorism. He is simply not qualified to rebut alternative theories to the government's own conspiracy theory. Nor is he qualified to uphold the government's version of the 9/11 attacks. Ironically, in his one apparent area of "expertise" -- as an expert on the functions of government -- he doesn't seem to sense the ultimate need for all of them to cover up damaging evidence of incompetence, shift blame onto others, demonize a largely overblown enemy of the state, and ultimately cover their respective asses.

People whose lives have been irrevocably compromised are holding a rally that is not based on junk science, or half-baked and unsworn testimony given to an underfunded and strait-jacketed Federal Commission. It's based, rather, on the realities of their deteriorating health.

Thanks to another Hutchinson -- the one then at the EPA -- the public who worked, lived, or took part in rescue operations were ASSURED that the air they were breathing during rescue operations was safe enough not to wear respirators.

Seeking redress for being lied to is definitely not a conspiracy theory; there have been too many medical records and research studies done which place the human cost of exposure to 9/11 related toxins beyond the mere theory stage of scientific investigation.

Nor is a conspiracy theory necessary to understand the motive behind the false assurances given the public soon to be working and living again in lower Manhattan. The financial markets were to be opened as quickly as possible. Just ask Warren Buffet. He was the one who Bush met at Offutt AFB the day of the attacks.

I wonder what they ever could have been talking about.

Both the Warren Commission and the House Select Sub-Committee on Assassinations say a lot about the Feds' never-ending commitment to make evidence fit the desired conclusions. That there was a conspiracy involved in the JFK assassination is beyond question. Even the FBI admitted so. Evidence was overlooked or destroyed in order to avoid suggestions of Cuban or Soviet involvement leading to a possible nuclear confrontation. As we later learned, any ties exposed by the Warren Commission of Oswald to Castro and vice versa may also have exposed the Operation Mongoose plot against Castro and with it the involvement of the Chicago and New Orleans mob. By any definition, this is a conspiracy to obstruct justice -- involving the highest levels of government.

I will say one thing in his favor. Earl makes one hell of a lapdog.

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interesting bullshit as usual
Posted by: cosmicgold on Sep 9, 2006 4:25 AM   
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Has anyone taken notice of the recent news that Pakistan and the Taliban have reached a mutual peace accord?? Now the media is ready to whip up the frenzy of fear again.....saying that if the Taliban and all those other well groomed idiots of danger...can now do another spectacular demolition somewhere on this planet that represents western interests..Interesting how the Internal Revenue service can find any errant tax payer-anywhere in the world in 24 hours...yet it is sadly laughable that we cant seem to get a small group of ragtag men interested in destroying our country....my fear is that this is what the cabalists want us to do..be fearful of another eminent attack..and probably in perfect timing before the nov elections....as for conspiracy theories..thank the heavens for them..they are the only thing that can vindicate sound reasonable minds from the bullshit of mass hystaria, mayhem,paranoia, that prevents us from truly seeing the truth as it is....Thank you alternet..at least for another choice of information to debate

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The NTSB
Posted by: magistre on Sep 9, 2006 3:34 PM   
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Mr. Hutchinson, is the NTSB a "conspiracy theorist organization"? I ask because the NTSB showed in testing done prior to 9/11 that JETLINERS WILL NOT PENETRATE TO ANY APRRECIABLE DEPTH THE SURFACE OF THE MODERN SKYSCRAPER( with the possible exception of the engines). This does not say you can't fly jetliners into buildings but what it does say is that they will"splat" on the side like an over-ripe watermelon. Quite a different scenario.

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Sigh...
Posted by: mykal on Sep 10, 2006 2:33 AM   
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What really surprises me about people who believe in some sort of 9/11 cover-up is that they think the folks who gave us the Iraq fiasco, the Afghanistan debacle, and the tragically inept follow-up to Katrina are even capable of pulling off such a deception.

I give you props for trying, Earl, but some people apparently just can’t be reached.

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No Fantasy physics but a few facts remain
Posted by: freedem on Sep 10, 2006 6:07 AM   
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The weird science of bombs located ahead of crashing planes, and timed just right does indeed invite ridicule for any real discussion about what happened and why. And I have made that point in many places.

However there are some points known and many that suggest a very deep malice that would allow such an event to occur if they had had that chance, and at the very least jumped on it like a frog on a bug, to push the worst possible partisan advantage.

The first point well documented is the PNAC stated desire for a "Pearl Harbor" event as the lynch pin for their plans. What they did about bringing a "PH" is not documented but invites, even demands, many imaginings, from direct control (not likely, to kicking sand in Aribic faces (documented but blamed on stupidity), to turning a blind eye and hoping for an outcome they could use.

The next point well documented is the flurry of "puts" in the days before. It is totally unbelievable that those "puts" could be untracable. How could they expect to pay (or collect if the attack had been stopped or gone astray) but five years later there is no word about any of it.

There are many other points that come less easily to mind, and many are more question than answer, but it is hard to claim that Saddam's coverups and dodging implied he was hiding something, and that this admin. doing the same, is not.

A defence of utter fecklessness with no chance of strategic mind might work, but for the masterful attacks on Democrats at every turn, with plenty of examples of deep and long range planning, even the publication of large books with great detail of actions and talking points.

In the face of secrecy, the worst case will be assumed, but here, even the best case is damming enough.

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are you kidding?
Posted by: edith on Sep 10, 2006 3:28 PM   
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what's crazy about speculation that four years of war that were justified by 9/11 were caused by deliberate negligence or deliberate involvement in the tragedy? bush was in trouble i 9/01. He was especially in the spotlight for his anti-environment policies and the economy was already tanking. His tax cuts were exposed as subsidies to corporations already paying relatively light tax burdens. Voila. Instant karma! W's polls soar as the Towers collapse in record time. And no NORAD response. Oh please.

Earl. You are sweet. too sweet. it's a bad bad world out there old guy. I too hate to get up some days, things are so bleak.

but this "coincidence" is the foundation for everything this Administration has done and the foundation for prosperity for the thriving military industrial complex, the only thing that America "makes" any more.

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Ignorant and arrogant
Posted by: Senqi on Sep 11, 2006 4:41 AM   
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It kind of eats away my respect for Alternet to read
such misinformed articles here..

The official story of 9/11 is such bullshit, I would think
the critical thinkers of Alternet would see through it..

Apparently I'm wrong..

Enjoy the denial..

(or check Scholars for 9/11 Truth ..)

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I think your the one who is under this national psychosis
Posted by: marked for re-indoctrination on Sep 11, 2006 5:07 AM   
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Future generations will marvel at your ability to deny Newtonian Physics...That some 75 and 90 floors respectivly, that were not damaged..... and building #7, that wasen't even hit by a jet, and managed to collapse from the effects of two seperate fires, that weren't even hot enough to break the windows!!!!!! All three buildings completely disintegrated so as to drop at free-fall speed....You are the one who drank the cool-aid......But it was designed to be a Psy-Op from the start, so this is the predictable result..Your the one thats having a reaction to the cool-aid, my idiot friend.....The fact that there is an obvious mis-information campaign in feverish competition with the 9/11 truth movement, and by that I mean the site that says' holograms of jets were used, is one indication of the verascity of the movement and the fear we instill in the Shadow Government that actually pulled the crime off...Future generations will compare the reaction evinced by the fool who wrote this column to the salem witch trial psychosis....

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Questions need answers, not ridicule.
Posted by: Erik N on Sep 11, 2006 9:01 AM   
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An unfortunate article, providing nothing but a flow of slander against those who question the actions of the US government in relation to 9/11. Mr Hutchinson has very little knowledge of the subject if he believes that there are no legitimate questions that needs to be answered before the subject of 9/11 can be let slide into history as solely an act of foreign aggression by Muslim fundamentalists.

The first and perhaps most important unanswered question is:
Who was responsible for hijacking those planes?

As several of the hijackers has turned up alive, others shown to have too poor piloting skills and many seen behaving very unislamic (doing drugs and getting lap dances at the Pink Pony Nude Theater right before the attacks), the question is far from answered - though we can be quite certain that several of the 19 terror-accused Islamic fundamentalists were neither terrorists nor fundamentalists.

There is "no legal proof to prove the identities of the suicidal hijackers" as FBI director Mueller put it - though others later changed the official FBI stand and confirmed that the accused hijackers, despite being alive after the attacks, had in fact flown into the WTC. The solution to this conundrum of life and death is quite stunning and wholly unsatisfactory; FBI spokesman Bill Carter simply stated that the FBI got the names right and it doesn't matter whether the identities were stolen. One might argue that establishing the actual identities of the perpetrators ought to be one of the things that their investigation should focus on, but apparently it is not very important or even relevant.

This lack of knowledge about, and official interest in, who actually did fly into those buildings leaves quite a big hole to fill with various conspiracy theories. The 9/11 Commissions detailed descriptions of how these still living men descended from civil society and became fundamentalist suicidals (of the Pink Pony variety) might make some people believe that the whole official story is a fairy tale of terror, a poorly written conspiracy theory. And rightly so.

Meanwhile, the 9/11 suicide-terrorists continue their lives as flight attendants and taxi drivers in Saudi Arabia with complete disregard for the officially sanctioned fact that they died five years ago.

And so the question lingers, who did it?

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Looks like this author is the conspiracy theorist here
Posted by: colek on Sep 11, 2006 4:02 PM   
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So uhhh, alternet, have you noticed it appears that essentially ALL your readers disagree with this author and his crackpot theories about a dozen middle eastern madmen destroying America. When essentially all your commenters disagree with this absurd notion, why do you continue to publish this lunatic? Are you lecturing us and calling us stupid? How absurd! Maybe you ought to take a realistic poll among your readers to see just how many of us disagree with your party line. Aren't you concerned that perhaps you are insulting the intelligence of 90%+ of your readers? And you're running out of money? Boo hoo! Guess what? We're all spending it on Loose Change.

So let's see in Oafus Hutchinson can defend his own ridiculous theories. So if the gov't CAN'T be involved, who did it? Who did it Oafus? And why?

Was it 12 crazed fundamentalists who weren't afraid to die for their religious fanatacism?

Was it Mohamad Atta? HArdcore religious fundamentalist? Spending 100K he got wired from the ISI getting drunk in Ft Lauderdale strip clubs and blowing all the dough on the lap dancers? Some hardcore religious fanatic, huh? Last I heard alcohol and sexual decadence was in direct contradication to the Koran. Oh and who killed that stripper? And on top of all that his dad SWEARS his son called him on Sept 12 saying he is still alive.

What about the bozos up here in Boston? I watched local tv reports early on before the spin machine started saying the apartment in Brookline these guys rented out and that they were partying it up and having escorts over. More deeply religious jihadi?

And what about Bin Laden? How is it he masterminded this plot having never been to America? And why did this Proud Jihad Leader deny involvement rather than proudly stand up and take credit for it? And how come all these phony videos? And what about his known kidney problem? Have they pioneered some sort of geothermal powered dialysis machine the runs on some sort of magical dialysis water that bubbles up from a hot spring?

And how did a pilot who according to his own flight instructor "could not fly at all" take a 747 and do flight manuvers that made experienced flight controllers think they were watching a military jet?

And what about the so called hijackers that are still alive and wondering how in the world they could still be alive when the news clearly shows they attacked the WTC?

Here's what I think. Maybe some of those guys got on those planes, maybe not. But they definitely did not fly them. Those planes were controlled, and those Arab party animals were told they were going to hijack the planes and take the passengers hostage to demand freedom for some palestinian prisoners. Once completed, they'd get sanctuary in Pakistan, a couple million bucks and a house full of sex slaves. Unbeknownst to them, they were to be made victims too.

I think this theory is a lot more supported by evidence than the other. I mean really! Dialysis in a cave? Obvious phony videos? Drunk fundamentalists in the strip joint?

These are only SOME of the questions we have about the hijackers? If you are supposed to be a journalist, you should be incredibly curious and skeptical about what our govt is telling us and more importantly what they DON'T want to talk about. I mean how bout the fact that when the 911 Omission called Bush and Cheney, they:
1. Refused to testify publicly.
2. Refused to be under oath.
3. Would only testify together
4. Allowed no documentation of their testimony.

Isn't that curious, that in THE defining moment of our history no one even bothers to ask why they won't be under oath or what they might have to hide?

DUH!

We're not all idiots - you're an shill.

Alternet, if you go bankrupt soliciting your left side shill, too bad.

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This guy has got to be kidding
Posted by: constitution516 on Sep 11, 2006 8:08 PM   
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Yes I think this man is right. Its a plain coincidence that our goverment didn't scrabble planes to stop any of the perported hi jacked planes. Its also a coincidence how we were running war games on this day too. And it must have been a coincidence that we knew everyone on the planes within a day and had all their pictures and life stories. We also knew it was Bin Laden and we were going to War to get him. And again it must have been a coincidence that GW Bush didn't investigate immediately only took 410 days after September 11th and he kicked and screamed about this too? Then there is world trade center building 7 that just came down outta nowhere? And the Moltan Steel under all the buildings. And there was the supposed plane that hit the Pentagon? One of the securest buildings in the world if not the securest and all they produce is video footage from a parking field? There are camera's every 30 feet on that building where is the BOEING? Each time the polls tank on the Iraq War or Bush there are new terror alerts and doctored video footage of some obscure supposed man in charge or second in control of Al Quiada making threats or faked beheadings. Whats also odd is that during the London Bombings they were also doing Mock Terror games in London? Another coincidence 3 tube trains and a bus disintegrate and the English are practicing Terror games? Yes we are all sadly mistaken and pariniod. Read PNAC and see what they had in mind and why. No reason to feel pariniod. Mr Bush just declared himself a dictator. He is above the law. He no longer has to follow the llaw he is above it. Our consitutional RIGHTs are inalienable? Not with this guy. Yes we are at War with our consitution and the looting of AMERICA.

Why is this guy blogging on Alter Net anyway?
Is it time to find a new news site again?

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SMOKING earl
Posted by: ph-q-u-2 on Sep 14, 2006 6:39 PM   
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To all the Good people out there, excuse my potty mouth vernacular and just let me rant will ya? I’m going to call this “Message to earl”

OOPS --- I done fell through the floor, looks like I’m down on your level now earl, since I’m here think I’ll dance around awhile, care to join me Earl, Ya say Ya like to Bar-BQ? Then let’s have some

Well look at you go Earl, if you can’t blind ‘em with brilliance and you can’t, then baffle ‘em with bullshit, right, is that the best you guys can do, well your damage control isn’t working very good is it earl? Is this what makes you and your butt pucking slime buddies believe we’re somehow as stupid as you, now that’s fantasy earl, and a funny one at that, boy, do I have pity on you (no that’s a bare face lie - so I take that back) I seriously doubt you’ll care to see this, but look anyways you chicken shit, apparently you’ve made every last one of us in here feel that same degree of lets kill earl way down deep inside, well I almost flamed out on that petty hit piece of yours, now you won’t mind me trying to return some of that same lame flavored consideration back at you, now would you earl? Hey, stupid you opened the door, invited me in!!!

It’s easy to see that you don’t have much use or respect for either the truth or for that of reason Earl

But hey, that’s O.K.

Sure I can see where it’s too risky using truth and reason on you, Earl, it would only bring you dangerously close to the edge of reality, just think, after all you and your fascist puck buddies have done for all of us, then to have one of you to fall onto our side of the fence, man we’d eat you alive, so hell, why even waste my time on you, right? Well why don’t you tell me the answer to that (you don’t want to know the answer to that, now do you earl). There’s just no way around dealing with me is there? Here I am earl, at least for a while, just to see how long I can be entertained with your juvenile thinking in that you can pump more black smoke up my poopy chute than I can yours

Earl, hope you’re wearing your girlie panties you pussy, this little get together IS in your dishonor How about I cut you some slack and start out writing this real slow, because I know you don’t read very fast earl, how do I know that? well earl, you’re way behind the times and if for reasons other than that, I seriously doubt anyone with your level of diminished I.Q. and impaired sensibilities could possibly possess even a minimum of adequate skills that would be necessary to keep up with my granddaughter’s typing much less a GIANT KILLER like me (the David and Goliath thing earl, the very thing you vermin are afraid of) you know earl, I’ve been known to smash a piss ant or two and I do it with a big smile on my face, I’m talking to talking you earl. Oh, now I know you won’t bother yourself by thanking me for any courtesy while I treat you like the whiney baby you are, but shucks earl, I have patience and do this all the time for a two year old (but she’s not quite this slow amigo) but you know what, lets say you’re damn welcome just the same you stupid PH – Q (earl you pronounce it phonically)

TO BE CONTINUED

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CONTINUED Message to earl
Posted by: ph-q-u-2 on Sep 14, 2006 6:44 PM   
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With the way this Truth thing is starting to pick up steam and by forecasting your crippled credibility as an inevitable by-product hereof, it’s beginning to look like there won’t be much saving face, will there earl?, which will also mean your ass will probably be just as worthless, but hey, Good news ol’ buddy, lucky for you, you caught me in just the right mood, so let me tell you what I’m willing to do, I’ll give you .50 cents a piece for the face and the ass, because I’ve always dreamed of having a pair of identically matched mud flaps for my old tractor and you know on second thought that useless credibility of yours would probably come in extra handy as a good ass wipe out in the field, so if I’ll throw in an extra quarter for it think we can we make a deal?

Now, for the my, my, my, would you just look at the way old Earl here has done went and shamelessly insulted a far superior intelligence (that would be all of these fine folks in here) say why in the hell not, I’ll include myself in here with ‘em, that be O.K. with you Earl? And be a part of all of the whom who are just simply seeking truthful answers to the many, though greatly mysterious but yet equally valid concerns, earl, yet it seems there are those (like shit head you and others) who would like to keep those things their own little secret (just being stingy ain’t you earl?) Doesn’t matter, earl, we’re gonna git it anyways I’d also bet my hard earned money (ya hear that earl I’ve got an HONEST job, oh you don’t know what an honest job is, do you earl?) those genuine (you don’t know what genuine means either, do you earl?) attempts by the afore mentioned REAL human beings just wasted their good faith time trying to help you pull your head out where the sun can shine on it (oh I see, sensitive to light – uh huh)

I think right now would be a good time to take up a collection, lets see if we can get old earl here a TINTED (here that earl tinted) Plexi-Dectomy/20-20 operation (O.K. for those who never heard of such a thing, here goes, a little invention of mine where you sew a one foot square piece of optical Plexiglas (O.K. earl tinted) in the abdominal region, now you say, why would you do that right? So old earl here can see where he’s going while he has his head stuck up his ass and then he won’t run the risk of accidentally bumping into any of us anymore)

You know what earl? Any man (this goes for you too earl) insults my intelligence in person the way you have would need a Plexi-Dectomy to find his way to the hospital, that’s if he didn’t try to crawl on his belly to get there (catch my drift, that would be a hint earl)

Until then earl listen up boy, didn’t yore momma ever teach you no manners I guess not, I know she threw you out in the back yard with the chickens so you could learn how to walk and talk but she just didn’t drop kick your melon head often enough did she earl? Tell you what Earl seeing as how I don’t usually stand on the killing side of that abortion issue, however you know old buddy I would’ve made a special exception, one time just for you, even paid money out of my own pocket So be glad I’m not yore momma earl

TO BE CONTINUED

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CONTINUED Message to earl
Posted by: ph-q-u-2 on Sep 14, 2006 6:46 PM   
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Let’s see, can I be as brazen as you? (I got my head fully up my ass now, how am I looking Earl?) Truthfully I don’t think any of us in here (or anywhere for that matter) would even miss you, it won’t hurt my feelings a bit at all when you fuckers disappear, (that won't be long earl) hey I can play with my dog Frankly (no not my dog earl) Frankly if that’s the best you punks can do, your junk contributions to all of humanity will soon simply fade away or be burned with the rest of the trash the liars the thieves the murderers and the 911 smoke screen jokers like you as well as fox and cnn and msnbc and ect. and ect. and ect., you know who I’m talking about don’t you Earl? You worthless fucks are going down and you know it, look on the bright side earl you’ll have people like me to thank for it, would you like to take me up on that Earl? Don’t be thinking maybe then earl you could run for congress, because we won’t be putting Queers on the ballot (hear that loud and clear earl no queers on the ballot)

But I must say I rather enjoyed that otherwise tasteless and unremarkable scathing analysis you had for all of us in your little hit piece theory, I haven’t laughed that hard in years My eight year old grand daughter just in from Conspiracy School, read it and said “is he for real Poppie”? Hell, she’s still rolling around on the floor laughing Don’t let this shock you earl, but I think you’re going to be tomorrow’s show and tell And guess what, I never would have guessed this, so I bet you haven’t even noticed it yet, dude you obviously have your own pet Conspiracy Theories even ones about all of us Conspiracy theorist’s, now now why don’t you fess up Earl, yep, transparent as it can be, my how are we going to explain that to your puck buddies earl, better go check it out it’s really peeking And of coarse, since you had to bring this down to a personal level, not only with me but the ever growing better informed half of this country (that would be those with brains earl, you don’t know what brains are, do you earl?) Say you wouldn’t mind if I got a little personal back, huh Mr. Froid. I realize that I may only be a simple innocently appearing, dumber than dirt, destitute Conspiracy theorist and part time ninja welder in your eyes Mr. Roid, even so, still there’s only two thing’s on the face of this earth that can make a worthless smuck like you do the pucked up things you and your pucked up buddies do. Just TWO things, are you with me earl? From the looks of your unnourished photograph I’m ruling out one of those right, now so I’d have to say it’s definitely the money angle So what do they pay a jerk off like you for this kind (ref. your art.) of trash anyways? (boy are you fucking them earl because your flim flam just ain’t working no more) by the way since you went after the money Earl, and not the OTHER STUFF you dip stick, how much porn do you reckon you got on that old computer of yours, been going to those kiddie sights, haven’t you earl? I SAID, haven’t you earl?

Dammit man, to think you get paid all that money for sucking up, but now earl, don’t you go worrying or getting me wrong on this one, cause I wouldn’t even dream of removing 99.99% of my healthy brain just to be able to compete with the losing likes of you, although, I do believe I could delight myself by pissing on you then pissing you Futher Muckers’s off on a daily basis and would be happy to do it for half what you cost. (are we having fun yet earl?) But hey don’t let me stop you from enjoying that thirty pieces of silver ya here, except you best pray to your god if you got one that I don’t end up with the franchise rights for the concession stand in the next life, cause ol’ buddy, I’ll remember those like you

TO BE CONTINUED

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CONTINUED Message to earl
Posted by: ph-q-u-2 on Sep 14, 2006 6:49 PM   
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This getting you down earl. Perhaps this will cheer your stupid ass up a little

O.K. knock knock
Who’s there?
Conspiracy
Conspiracy who?
Conspiracy theory
Conspiracy theory who?

Aw come on Earl, you should know this one
Three seconds Earl – (GONG in back ground)
Time’s up earl (and I mean that literally)
Looks like you’re still a loser ol’ buddy buddy

It’s “Conspiracy Theory Earl” – you dumb PH – Q (remember earl phonically)

What a disappointment that was, Too Bad earl, I really thought you had this one By the way, that Qupie Doll prize, hell, I was going to give it to you just for spite anyways because I know as a matter of absolute irrefutable fact a dumb shit like you just couldn’t have any real friends (oh was that a supposition earl?) but alas, my scientifically trained Conspiracy Theory attack dogs (by the way are also active in the Truth Movement) must have thought it was a spineless illegal alien porno princess chicken dip highly over paid pseudo JOURNALIST from some other planet and ate it

But hold on don’t give up so fast O.K. earl, here’s an easy one for you, you start out slow then keep saying these words one after the other faster and faster and faster, do you understand that earl? Make me proud boy Are you ready? GO

EYE
YAM
SOFA
KING
WEE
TODD
DID

See there, cleared that denial of yours right up didn’t it earl, I feel better already don’t you? What’s that earl? the Qupie Doll prize, right, as soon as it makes it through the loop I promise I’ll send it to you

Hey Good people, you think maybe I shouldn’t be so hard on old Earl here, cause, if I piss him off too much, he might not show us anymore of those spectacular (look ma – no brains) death defying handicapped mental tricks of his. And I do mean death defying, don’t I earl?
Well earl, I didn’t hear a soul in here speak up in your behalf, so I guess that unanimous silence must mean you’re just DOOMED and not only in here pal Wait, maybe you could have the E.P.A. create a endangered species list for your kind, but then maybe not, I heard your little attraction is coming soon to a Grand Jury near you, ya, near you earl, like real soon. Judging by the combined arrogance of all of you clowns, you must think you’re still pretty safe, well, don’t be surprised when you find out you’re not. Take a look around Bozo, you’re down to hiding behind Hollywood, now ain’t THAT a shame

TO BE CONTINUED

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CONTINUED Message to earl
Posted by: ph-q-u-2 on Sep 14, 2006 6:51 PM   
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Another thing prick let me pick on your pride awhile

“The Emerging Black GOP Majority” –

Don’t think so pal, Mexicans got you beat, your “Majority” is still a minority and still no more than pawns to this (temporary at best) government administration, preparing to use them not unlike those to be used in the current immigration crisis “The Emerging Mexican GOP Majority” (we have a remedy for them too) – just mere expendable board pieces in this little chess game we have going They’ll be polishing the brass the same way you and your ancestors have for the other administrations in the past, ya those very ones that have used your unsuspecting paranoid race to promote the demented goals of their great unseen agenda, (haven't got a clue about that do you earl?) but never the less that means you’re in there somewhere too Einstein, one day all of your abundant ignorance will just melt away like the unwanted calories of your class of deserving starving non-artists, you’ll see. You ain’t kidding no one else, so why even kid yourself for one minute that we don’t know what it is you pricks are so afraid of, of coarse you can see it coming can’t you earl? If you don’t, why don’t you take you a real quick little look-see before the steam roller shows up?

Like the prophecy says earl “you worthless fucks are going down” (Message to earl; chap 1; verse 8)

So, you better watch out, you better not lie

Here me singing earl?

Putting you on trial and trying you twice

Ta – Da Da – Da Da – Ta – Da Da – Da Da
Ta – Da

Think I’m psycho earl, stick around you ain’t seen nothing yet

So how long you gonna beat on that drum of yours earl, I’ll tell you how long earl. Until someone like me rips it out of your hands and shove it up your stupid ass earl, that’s how long

You know what else earl? I just ain’t skeerd, but you better be with the Fifth of November right around the corner. V

Then it’s So Long earl

Look at it like this earl, with you and the rest of you morbid fucks intent on destroying this country just what the fuck could I possibly hurt if I started tearing up everything in sight, that would also include assholes like you, want to hear something really scary earl I don’t have anything to lose, take this is an express invitation to have a real serious sober thought about your impending doom in your next moment of clarity pal
(pal = personal ass licker)

One last thing earl, don’t flatter yourself thinking I would go to all this trouble just to thump on you, I wouldn’t (not in here anyways) this is for all the innocent people that were murdered on 911, our soldiers that will fight and lose their lives in this fabricated war, as well as the Good people still out there looking for nothing but the truth, that you just shit on, but who will read it and appreciate it for what it is, an epitaph

To them I say God Bless You Guys and don’t let the earls of this world knock you out of focus

Thank you, that was the conclusion of this evening’s presentation and Elvis has left the building

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Read the EPA Report.
Posted by: Ashington on Sep 16, 2006 7:59 PM   
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Lower Manhattan had safe enough air to breath, Not Ground Zero. Your just listening to Jingo, ..which comes from the style of Investagations known as Yellow Journalism..or just Journalism.

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