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The Last Defenders of Marriage

By Allison Hantschel, Sirens Magazine. Posted September 7, 2006.


The institution of marriage isn't under attack by gay couples -- despite what conservatives would have you believe.

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When photos of the same-sex weddings being performed in San Francisco started popping up online, I called my husband. Photos of happy couples, both sexes, all ages, in all kinds of outfits: I'll never forget the one newlywed pair who carried a stuffed monkey with them. Nor the image of the two young men in kilts, one heavy, the other slim, holding up their marriage certificate with mouths open in a joyous yawp of victory.

I called my husband because those pictures of other people happily and publicly pledging their lives to one another, made me glad he and I had done the same.

Much of the rhetoric opponents of gay marriage use depicts marriage as "under attack" from gay couples. They talk about the destabilization of society, about the dangers inherent in changing the way we see the word "spouse." Republican Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania famously warned that if gay marriage were permitted, "man on dog" would not be far behind. So to speak.

In the years since, more than a dozen states have passed laws restricting marriage to a couple consisting of a man and a woman. Even more states have ongoing court cases in which gay couples, most pleading for the simplest things we straights take for granted: the right to be at our beloved's side if he is ill, the right to adopt a child with her if she wants a baby.

Gay union opponents can grandstand all they want about the "defense of the family." That doesn't change the fact that these loving couples fighting desperately for this right are actually reminding us, at a time when some heteros slip easily in and out of marriage and divorce at will, how precious this institution actually is. They're making it damn near impossible for even cynical sworn bachelors and bachelorettes to deny how desirable a state betrothal can be.

The political battle, however, seems to play out more nastily in every election. During the 2004 campaign in Virginia, Republican organizations posted flyers saying Democrats (many of whom themselves opposed gay marriage) wanted to legalize same-sex wedlock while banning the Bible. This fall, the topic is sure to come up again in conservative-leaning states like Ohio and Wisconsin, where voters are considering whether to amend the state constitution to keep boys from legally bumping.

Even some advocates of gay rights sometimes urge a pullback on the marriage front, saying "civil unions" will be a halfway point that does not offend too many voters squeamish about gays (you know, the type who say, "I don't mind them being gay, but why do they have to shove it down my throat by demanding health insurance?"). Domestic partnerships are often viewed as a way to give homosexual couples some protections like health insurance and hospital visitation.

But domestic partnerships at the state level, even those reinforced by extensive power-of-attorney and custody arrangements made by couples themselves, don't address the hundreds of federal benefits granted automatically to those who meet the specific legal definition of "married" or "spouse."

Everything from Social Security survivor benefits to discounts for fishing on federal land is affected by marital status. In total, more than 1,049 separate statutes mention marriage, covering issues from tax breaks to timber licenses.

So it doesn't really matter if Becky Everymatron from Ittybittyville, Nebraska, doesn't like the thought of girls getting it on (though I'm sure Mr. Everymatron doesn't mind it). Our society rewards two people who have chosen to make a public commitment to one another, and it rewards them with financial security in the form of money owned by all of us through paying our taxes.

And once we've made the choice to do that, we either extend it to all our citizens, or we fail to live up to our constitutional obligations in the most fundamental way.

The gay marriage debate isn't about what we like and don't like to see, as though we can only sanction things in America that everybody agrees with. If we outlawed everything I found icky, we'd have precious little reality television, even less war, and wearing those sparkly tank-tops Old Navy sells to 'tweens and grandmas alike would be punishable by death.

On a more personal note, not a single one of San Francisco's or Massachusetts' weddings marred my wedded bliss one bit. I was more upset by those using my marriage as an excuse to deny others their right to equal protection under the law.

San Francisco's weddings made me remember my own wedding day, and the wedding days of some dear friends: thrown petals, good wishes, sufficient champagne, a bridesmaid snogging one of the groomsmen. They made me happier to be married, the joy of those couples reflected onto the rest of us, showing us how lucky we were to witness that kind of love.

And though those marriages were later invalidated by the state of California in a mean and small-minded court decision declaring San Fran mayor Gavin Newsom had overstepped his authority in granting them, the images of hope, of courage, of determination to live in love whatever the consequences, those images inspired me and many others. Those images were our conscience, saying, Look, how can you not approve?

But Sen. Santorum can breathe easy: My husband and I recently celebrated our eighth wedding anniversary, and there was nary a dog in sight.

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Allison Hantschel is Sirens Magazine's political editor and a 10-year veteran of the newspaper business. She publishes First Draft, a writing and politics blog, and edited the anthology Special Plans: The Blogs on Douglas Feith and the Faulty Intelligence That Led to War.

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always good
Posted by: rsaxto on Sep 7, 2006 1:44 AM   
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Love is always good no matter who loves who or how they cousumate their consentual love. That's the only test of legality needed.

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Addressing the beastiality slippery slope
Posted by: Fang-Face Dreamweaver on Sep 7, 2006 2:31 AM   
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I'm under the impression that for a marriage to be recognized legally, it is necessary for the prospective patners to sign certain legal documents. How are you going to get your pet to sign in the space provided for it?

And why aren't homosexuals offended at being equated with beastialists? One could make the argument that beastiality is a form of rape in as much as one "partner" in the act is incapable of informed consent. This is not the case in same-sex pairing.

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» Of course I am! Posted by: Domokun
» consent Posted by: stompintom
Already Exists
Posted by: vkobaya on Sep 7, 2006 6:05 AM   
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If man marrying dog is so bad, his wife shouldn't have married him since Santorum is a pure breed, AKC certified, 100% Beagle if I ever saw one.

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» RE: Already Exists Posted by: kww355
» RE: Already Exists Posted by: morticia
» RE: Already Exists Posted by: Bbear41
what's legal about marriage
Posted by: cdtomei on Sep 7, 2006 6:15 AM   
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If you look carefully back at a couple thousand years of marriage laws, not just the current thousand or so, you'll see that marriage was supported as a kind of state-overseen power structure. Men dominated their families, women were chattel and were even equired to have children once upon a time in order to become legally mature (Roman law, which is at the basis of our present laws of marriage, required 3 children for a freewoman, four for a slave).
If you read the situation where gay people who will never beget children of their own wish to be married, you can understand where the conflict arises -- this is not marriage in the historical sense, this is a lifestyle -- very modern concept.
Of course, straight women's marriage and lifestyle rights, like being able to choose their own husbands, save their own children (no, it wasn't so long ago that children were the men's chattel, also) and earn a living outside the home, are not traditional values, either, since all of them developed in the last century or so, with new marriage and property laws. These choices are, like gay union, also a source of a lot of modern resentment, as power structures try to conserve their "traditional" basis.
If gays of either sex want the same rights that heterosexual men have to "pay for," by providing for children, etc., straight men feel hurt, the system is abandoning them, and all their great work is not rewarded, as all those laws were intended to do.
In my opinion, it would make more sense to give up the married property laws entirely, and start over, with everyone on equal footing. I guess it's a dream.....

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» Equal footing is the key Posted by: leftisright
Everyone should have the right to marry
Posted by: kww355 on Sep 7, 2006 6:20 AM   
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The LGBT community should have the right to marry and adopt.Period. It's unconscionable to treat anybody in our society as a second-class citizen.

What really frightens me is when will these people start trying to make divorce illegal?

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» A simple 14th Amendment issue ... Posted by: AdamSelene40
gay marriage instead of progressive taxation or universal healthcare? Typical FakeLeft!
Posted by: rebel_pig on Sep 7, 2006 6:36 AM   
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gays comprise about 1.5% of American, and a small percentage of them might want to get married.

On the other hand, loss of our progressive tax base affects all working class America, as does our lack of universal healthcare.

So over the next few months see how many stories are devoted to gay issues and how many are devoted to progressive taxation and universal healthcare.

I have been watching Alternet for a couple of years, and I can tell you that gay rights issues and similar identity politics issues, and I can tell you that gay issues predominate over populist economics issues such as taxation by a ratio of perhaps 20 to 1 or even more. And Alternet is perfectly well in line with other Liberal-Left media outlets in this regard. THIS is a major reason why America is not like Europe--why they have progressive taxation and universal healthcare while we do not.

Alternet, The Nation, and other American Liberal media outlets are funded by the upper class and in particular large nonprofit foundations. These funding sources have certain common interests that oppose those of the working class. Therefore they focus on identity politics issues and avoid populist economics issues. The America Left is actually a FakeLeft, one that is a proxy for the upper class, one that diverts Leftist political thought to Identity politics issues and away from populist economics issues. The Fakeleft teaches upcoming future leftist activists what Leftism and Liberalism should be about. Unfortunately, the FakeLeft represents the upper class's idea of what Leftism should be about. Their ideal Leftism is a Leftism that cannot reach their fat wallets. Hence gay rights issues instead of universal healthcare or progressive taxation.

Alternet and its ilk gets money from nonprofit foundations because it focuses more on Identity Politics issues and partisan electoral politics trivia. Do you think those nonprofits would fund Alternet if Alternet focused on universal healthcare and progressive taxation instead of gay rights, race and gender issues, etc? Of course not. The people who run Alternet and similar FakeLeft outlets know which side of the bread is buttered. Also, they never would have been funded at all if they had expressed an interest in populist economics issues instead of Identity politics. The upper class funded nonprofits act as an ideological filter for Leftist activism in that a certain type of elite-friendly activist is never even funded at all.

Know who your enemy is. Yes, the GOP is right out there and is your enemy. But the same people that control the GOP also control American Liberal ideology. It is all about strategy and ideology. Electoral politics is not even real politics. Real politics is about ideology and expectations. Electoral politics is just the aftermath of real politics. The American Fake Left needs to be exposed. You can start doing that right here and now.

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» cryOfan LIVES! Posted by: WhuThe?!?
» dont do it Posted by: Iconoclast421
» Disguised Cowardice Posted by: WhuThe?!?
» RE: cryOfan LIVES! Posted by: kittynboi
» Wrong again cry0fan! Posted by: Iconoclast421
But...but...but...they've got nowhere else to go! (credit: Richard Gere)
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Sep 7, 2006 6:46 AM   
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If one can't apply a $2,200,000,000,000 budget conservatively without actually spending $2,400,000,000,000;

If one can't be conservative in one's trampling of the Constitution without the gentle reprimand of a federal court order;

If one can't conserve social security after one's predecessor liberally talked up the problems;

And if one can't be conservative with the lives of our nation's uniformed men and women...

Then one might as well adopt a firm stance on the important conservative tenet of dudes not getting hitched. Together. After all, you'll recall it was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve that kicked off the human species a bright May Saturday morning exactly 6533 years ago?

And it's better you don't ask who married them so as to prevent them from living in sin, or who the wife of the firstborn son was...

...etc.

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» More exact! Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: More exact! Posted by: yellow
» This is cute. Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: This is cute. Posted by: yellow
» But surely... Posted by: ABetterFuture
» Some people.... Posted by: morticia
Separation of Church and State
Posted by: WhuThe?!? on Sep 7, 2006 9:27 AM   
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Those who think we should legislate against gay couples and not allow them to marry and pursue their happiness do not believe in the lessons of history and are against the separation of church and state. The ONLY reason to oppose gay marriage is because of religious reasons, you know, hatred in the name of their kind and loving god. Strange considering Christ's main message was to not judge others. These people need to respect our democracy and keep their religion out of our government.

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Minor grammatical detail...
Posted by: Xynyx on Sep 7, 2006 9:31 AM   
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Paragraph 4, sentence 2: we need a verb

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Protect the *Sanctity* of Marriage - Outlaw Divorce
Posted by: Sapphite on Sep 7, 2006 9:51 AM   
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Isn't it really that simple?

Basic math tells me that a whole lot of *Christians* get divorced in this country... inspite of taking vows in front of god and everyone. Not sure where it says in the Bible, that divorce and remarriage is A-Ok.

I just think that the solution is simple.
I know, too simple.

Kinda like my idea about abortion... how to stop it...
legislate condom use except when *trying* to have a baby.
Simple - all children wanted children.

(Go Steelers!)

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jennherne
Posted by: jennherne on Sep 7, 2006 10:48 AM   
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All marriage laws are antiquated. If two people want to commit to each other, it should be sanctioned and celebrated. We don't discriminate against two clowns being married if they meet the sexual criteria, as witness the large preponderance of such unions. Why not extend the courtesy to all?
Also, marriage does not always confer benefits to all unions as witness the large number of senior couples who end up having to divorce in order to qualify for benefits when they nearly inevitably, end their lives trying to survive on meagre programs for seniors.
Oh, sorry! We're not supposed to address reality in this society.

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Don't worry
Posted by: deeannef on Sep 7, 2006 11:09 AM   
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Our good xtians would never let that happen, since that verse is really not that important. The verses about homosexuality are really the only important verses.

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Condoning and promoting societally worthless behavior
Posted by: Kuber on Sep 7, 2006 12:16 PM   
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While we are at it, why don't we just go ahead and condone and promote other societally worthless behaviors such as rape, robbery, assault, etc?

Marriage, the solemnizing of the of male-female mating bond in every human society throughout the long corridor of time, is under attack from ignorance.

It is only ignorance and delusion/mental confusion that would cause members of a society to condone and promote behaviors that are totally worthless to that society, and which also threatens its health and existence.

It is intersting to note that durign the long history of mankind, the Law Givers of societies have always been males. No doubt there are good reasons for such a natural choice.

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» Stir the filth!!!! Posted by: morticia
» RE: Stir the filth!!!! Posted by: Kuber
» RE: Stir the filth!!!! Posted by: morticia
» He reminds me of Jack D. Ripper... Posted by: doctorsquared
The truely worthless behavior being condoned and promoted
Posted by: Fojie on Sep 7, 2006 12:43 PM   
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Is prejudice. Bigots who revile and denigrate homosexuals by comparing our relationships to murder, are demanding that society instead condone and promote their worthless and destructive behavior - prejudice and malice.

Prejudice has robbed humanity at every opportunity, from destroying the lives and works of artists and musicians and composers, to limitting the contributions of women, people of color, gays and lesbians, people of the 'wrong' faith.

In the end, such claims about 'worthless' people and their worthless lives - which is what the above post was truly about - declaring millions of people worthless - is an expression of the one evil that has had the most extensive and destructive influence on society, that one that has hindered and harmed humanity the most.

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Get rid of rights tied to marriage
Posted by: drmeow on Sep 7, 2006 1:25 PM   
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"... the hundreds of federal benefits granted automatically to those who meet the specific legal definition of "married" or "spouse."

Everything from Social Security survivor benefits to discounts for fishing on federal land is affected by marital status. In total, more than 1,049 separate statutes mention marriage, covering issues from tax breaks to timber licenses."

Stupid discrimination against single people! With the exception of Social Security (which perhaps could be linked to an "interpersonal contract" other than the marriage contract), the benefits someone receives from the government should not be dependent on marital status. (PS, I'm married.)

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an open letter to rebel-pig
Posted by: yellow on Sep 7, 2006 1:56 PM   
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You have to be the biggest moron ever on this blog site. You keep playing the same stupid one note tune about the "fake left" and never explain what the hell you mean. How do you stand sounding like a dumbass broken record?! You are probably a stupid redneck troll from some little shithole community with no education whatsoever and you just want to taunt people. You are also a dumbass bigot! What do gay marriage, racial equality, immigration, and respect for differences have to do with universal health care and progressive taxation? Most Alternet readers believe in all these things and rightly so! Stop bothering us and go back to the Freepers where the hell ya belong, idiot! You really don't have a damn thing of value to say. I know I speak for the majority when I say you're not welcome here!!! You can tell that to your GOP paymasters, ya jerk!

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Let's give them what they want....
Posted by: jem on Sep 7, 2006 2:42 PM   
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....how about this: after we win back the House, Senate, and White House.....let's give those #*@!% who repeatedly claim there is no Separation of Church and State the windfall of their lives....we can start legislating things they HAVE to do in church. Like marry LGBT's because we say so, or....what else? anybody? Suggestions? Let's have fun and list some things.......then they can all go clamoring about how we're trampling on their separation rights.

Because really and truly, the Separation does "protect" (and I use this word very loosely) the Church from doing things we say they have to (like marry ANYONE they don't want to for whatever reason), however, plain and simple the basic Civil Union should be legal for everyone. This has NOTHING to do with any Church. In fact, most Churches refuse to recognize a Civil Union as a marraige in the first place, so why are they getting their panties all in a bundle? Come to think of it, I'm really pissed off that as a Single, my tax dollars afford breaks for married people that I'm not getting based on the fact that I'm not married. This is discrimnation too! If I'm not allowed to marry the person of my choosing, then I shouldn't have to pay that portion of taxes.

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» Taxation Posted by: BlueTigress
Fake Left ... privot right ... pass ... shoot ... score ..
Posted by: AdamSelene40 on Sep 7, 2006 3:21 PM   
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Which is the only successful basketball maneuver I remember from High School Gym class ...

Tried it again. Got dumped on my butt.

(Oh dear ... feed the Troll ... stroll in Troll Poo - when will I learn:

I boycott Lettuce and Grapes for years, and I can't hold the line against the most obvious Underbridge Dweller around for more than a couple of weeks. We think we're going to take back the Congress and Defeat the Rethugs ... we can't even unite around a Troll Shunning.

I hope he's doing it for pay ... cuz if he's doing it for love -- he's even dumber than we are.)

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» If not "Dumb" ... then "TROLL" Posted by: AdamSelene40
Thank you so much . . .
Posted by: yesman on Sep 7, 2006 9:14 PM   
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. . . for your humane, well-written and witty essay. It gives me some (slight) hope to know that there are heteros who are not entirely self-centered and who actually understand what's at stake in this issue.

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» RE: Thank you so much . . . Posted by: Phenix
» RE: Thank you so much . . . Posted by: Domokun
LOL
Posted by: Fojie on Sep 7, 2006 10:01 PM   
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What is "homosexual misbehavior" - paying each other's bills? Buying groceries together, sharing a mortage and insurance? That is what the marriage issue is about - the day to day, outside of bed, practical nuts and bolts of two people being responsible for each other.

Oh, you want to talk about butt-sex. It is funny how homophobic hets talk about butt-sex so much more than gay men do. Some has an unhealthy obsession. ;)

Unfortunately, the information you have - that it is dirtier than het sex, sick, etc - is false. Perhaps you should attempt some first hand experience with what comes out of vagina's for a little perspective.

Takes a truly wicked moral code to harm millions of people by denying them basic civil rights - real tangible harm, just because they do something in bed that you find irresistably interesting and icky at the same time.

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» RE: LOL Posted by: fork
» RE: LOL Posted by: morticia
» RE: LOL Posted by: Fojie
» RE: LOL Posted by: morticia
» RE: LOL Posted by: cynsue
Regarding Banning Behaviors that are worthless to society
Posted by: Fojie on Sep 9, 2006 8:50 PM   
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It is an inane claim - if something appears to someone to be worthless to society as a whole, ban it. Never mind it's value to individuals - only that which directly and demonstrably benefits society, to everyone's agreement, is to be allowed.

Stupid.

What is the benefit to society of pro football? A waste of resources, grown men who should be laboring to feed starving children, cure disease, educate the illiterate - instead toss a ball around and get paid millions of dollars each, and fans waste millions of dollars to watch.

Ban pro football, right?

What is the benefit to society of NASCAR - a waste of gasoline and oil, producing tons of noxious waste, so let's ban NASCAR too.

Can we all agree that religion benefits society? Not if you allow atheists to vote. How about computers and the internet? Probably no shortgage of naysayers there as well. I don't doubt the current U.S. administration would argue that a free press does not benefit society, and there are still racists who argue that slavery does benefit society. Child labor laws - do they benefit society, or inhibit production of necessary material goods?

What a stupid test by which to justify harming millions of people by denying them basic legal recognition.

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cynsue
Posted by: cynsue on Sep 11, 2006 6:41 AM   
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always thought and taught that this country has a separate church and state. this situation worries me, due to the fact that my marriage is bi-racial. are they going to deny my marriage next? i am a christian, but believe that god should judge people not "christians". gay couples due have a right under our constitution to pursue happiness, if marriage makes them happy more power to them

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Prevalence of faggots and the western/christianized societies
Posted by: Kuber on Sep 11, 2006 9:06 AM   
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It takes no more than a modicum of intellectual candle power to rightly conclude that this deviant misbehavior of homosexuality is so prevalent in the western/christianized societies (more so than other societies) because little faggots are created in the christian churches of Child Sodomy.
And then those little ones are ‘released’ in the wider western/christianized societies to contaminate them with the societally worthless homosexual misbehavior.

While the christians are rightly persecuting the deviant homosexual behavior that is destroying the social fabric by promoting sickness as health, those christian hypocrites should know that they are the ones most responsible for the spread of this deviant misbehavior in western/christian societies.

The catholic and anglican churches, primarily, are dens of homosexual iniquities that have been abusing, traumatizing and sodomizing our children.

Vile members of those edifices of Christian Child Sodomy should be put out of business posthaste, due to the great harm they have caused individuals and societies around the planet over the generations.

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Here's a solution
Posted by: PaktikaTL on Sep 12, 2006 1:55 AM   
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Get rid of marriage as a state-sanctioned institution. Let people call themselves and their relationships whatever they choose - marriage, partnership, union, pairing, whatever. Let them solemnize their commitments however they choose - in a church, in front of friends, or through someone with an internet-purchased ministerial dipoma.

Laws already exist requiring parents to support their children, and anyone who chooses can enter into a contract detailing their rights and obligations in regards to support or the disposition of property if the relationship falls apart.

Wouldn't this be easier, treat everyone the same, and get rid of what smacks of an intermingling of church and state? It's not as if the institution of marriage as we know it does anything to keep people together "for the sake of the children," anyway.

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This should not be an issue
Posted by: InSaNeFooL on Sep 13, 2006 1:12 AM   
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Homosexual, heterosexual - who gives a fuck?
First off, calling marriage a "sacred institution" is laughable at best, especially given divorse rates in America and all of the [i]Hollywood Marriage[/i] coverage that I see vomited by media constantly.
Secondly, it's none of our business. If two men, two women, a man and a women, three men and two women (ok, that one might get way too tricky for the tax laws ;), whatever, want to commit themselves before their peers and promise to spend their lives together it's their own decision (or mistake, hah).
Finally, as a few users noted below, this is nothing but yet another diversionary tactic to draw the public eye off of the horrors of war and the constant rape of the working class. If we're going to start choosing who can and can not get married how about we drop the whole thing and really on common-law rules for any household residents. Make it easier for the three men and two women I mentioned earlier to all be recognized as a legal union.

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WOW, just another political forum run amuck...
Posted by: pjpatten on Sep 14, 2006 8:01 PM   
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Incredible.

Gay rights for marriage.

And we get assaulted with crap from Eden, Adam and Steve, the FakeLeft, monkeys coming from people, or vice-versa (ever notice with all this crap fanning out, that no one that was "There" has ever come forward to enlighten us?). Some very heavy political manuevering going on here, and I thought that most of this was so we could accuse AlterNet of hypocracy?

Pseudo-Intellectual pandering aside, the issue was gay marriage. Specifically, if this act, in fact, is destroying the "sacred" institution of marriage.

Well, one would have to consider exactly, what a ligitimate marriage is. It was founded on the premise of "two becoming as one". "As" being the key here folks. Marriage is only significant, in that it is recognized by the majority of a community as "a done deal" That is is supposedly only accomplished by a recognized sectarian, is as old as the concept of marriage itself, but not essential to the recognition of a union of two. The institution was... well... instituted, with the event of discontent and divorce. The long arm of the politburo reached across and said, "we shall unite until death, or, seperate now, should the need arise."

The greatest cruelity to the institution of marriage, is nothing greater then marriage itself, period. More than 52% of those taking their vows today, will be leaving the other individual in a ritual of hate and discontent in a court room, within the next two years. Over the next several years, another 13% will end with the event of an accusation of sexual misconduct at home. Use your imagination here, the courts cover it all. And, believe it or not, some will actually end, because one of the partners passes away. Yes, it happens. But it is not interesting enough to track it for stats. We only want the garbage here. Having made the institution a matter of triviality and ritual, we now want people to believe that there are "other" causes for the joke, while giveing the impression that we believe in the "sanctity" of the institution. Pharisees unit, for it becomes obvious that AlterNet is not the only hypocrite in these woods.

I suppose I would be much happier, if the idea of marriage itself, was much more real and endearing. Our attitudes of it being just another "Adult Obligation" for control and sexuality, has brought the institution to a meaningless end for too many.

That is, to sum it up, a real shame. But a greater shame that I just can not, for the life of me, understand, is why another whole group of alternate "lifers" would ever want to get involved in such an embarrassing and meaningless trap. Could it be that they, like their heterosexual counterparts, are too caught up in their own opinions and rants, to see the extent of the real problem? Or, is it easier to just expound on how and why we got to this point, instead of the realization that we are at this point NOW, and need to get off the selfrighteous bandwagon and do something constructive about the institution itself?

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johngary66
Posted by: johngary66 on Sep 14, 2006 10:04 PM   
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Im certainly not a cheese head lover being from Minnesota, but I have never heard Wisconsin referred to as a conservative leaning state. Has anybody heard of the next president of the United States, Russ Feingold? Madison, Wisconsin is almost as liberal as Minneapolis, Minnesota where we have the nations first Muslim candidate for Congress running this fall. Sure there are small minded people there, as everywhere, but I bet the law won't pass.

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Why do people care
Posted by: LtL on Oct 7, 2006 7:23 PM   
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...who you marry or sleep with? I blame homophobia mostly on the 2 biggest cult leader terrorists of all time jesus and mohammad.


I like signing my posts 1LT L U.S.Army because it pisses you commies off but the right is just as stupid with their trying to control peoples lives.

Both partys need to get out off peoples lives. Marry how you want, (legaly) own all the guns you want. Spend your money how you want. Why is it so hard for people to understand? Every one get out of every one elses life.

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