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Hijacking 9/11
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This is not the first time that Hollywood has used 9/11 as a pretext to air pro-Bush propaganda in the guise of a docudrama. On the second anniversary of the terrorist attack, the Showtime cable network broadcast "DC 9/11: Time of Crisis," written by conservative Republican Lionel Chetwynd. Dubbed "a reelection campaign movie" by Washington Post TV critic Tom Shales, the film starred actor Timothy Bottoms in the role of George W. Bush, depicting him as a leader of Churchillian stature who takes personal charge in the 9/11 aftermath while brushing off worries about his own safety with declarations such as, "If some tinhorn terrorist wants me, tell him to come on over and get me. I'll be home!" In reality, as opposed to the bizarro world of docudrama, Bush's safety on 9/11 was guaranteed by hustling him off to an undisclosed location, while Cheney went into hiding for months.
What makes "The Path to 9/11" somewhat different is its claim to be based on the report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the 9/11 Commission). Thomas Kean, the Republican co-chairman of the 9/11 commission, served as an advisor to the film, although Lee Hamilton, the commission's Democratic co-chair, did not. ABC Entertainment president Steve McPherson is claiming that its miniseries is a public service that goes beyond mere entertainment. "Some things you do for commerce and some things because they are the right thing to do," he told Variety magazine.
If the goal were simply to inform the public, however, ABC would have produced an actual documentary rather than a docudrama, which gives the producers license to distort facts whenever and however they wish, while also pretending that their work is somehow a reenactment of reality.
The show's political slant is evident from the fact that Rush Limbaugh is talking up the movie, noting that its screenwriter, Cyrus Nowrasteh, is a personal friend. Several weeks prior to the broadcast, publicists sent out advance DVDs of the film to conservative bloggers, and screenings have been held for conservative pundits like U.S. News & World Report writer Michael Barone. Even relatively obscure right-wing blogs such as Patterico's Pontifications, written by Los Angeles County attorney Justin Levine, have been favored with advance screenings. Levine reciprocated by declaring that the film is "free of political spin, politically correct whitewashing and partisan wrangling" and "one of the best made-for-televison movies seen in decades. The Clinton administration will likely go ballistic over this film." In its politically spin-free way, Patterico pontificates, the film also "lays out viscerally powerful arguments in favor of the Patriot Act and airport profiling."
When challenged to explain why the right-wing blogosphere is abuzz with praise for the film, director David Cunningham responded that "we are also being accused of being a left-wing movie that bashes Bush" -- a claim for which there is absolutely no evidence. I searched Technorati for mentions of the film and found 260 references, mostly from conservative websites, every single one of which had nothing but praise for the film. And although I found numerous examples of conservative pundits and bloggers who reported seeing prebroadcast screenings, no leftist pundits or bloggers had been given a chance to see it (unless you count Salon.com's roundup of several 9/11-themed movies).
As further evidence of the filmmakers' fundamental dishonesty, "Path to 9/11" had its own blog until recently, where screenwriter Nowrasteh attempted to explain away the right-wing blogobuzz about the film by saying, "We can't control who writes what." It's clear, however, that they did carefully control who could see the film prior to broadcast. And in response to criticisms and questions posted in the comments section of their own blog, they airbrushed it out of existence Sunday afternoon, which is why my links above to the apologetics by Cunningham and Nowrasteh no longer work, although the Google cache to the original blog still exists.
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So what is it that conservatives love so much about this film? According to Barone, one "gripping scene" shows "CIA agents surrounding bin Laden's encampments and then being called back when National Security Adviser Sandy Berger refuses to give a go-ahead for the operation." Conservative filmmaker Govindini Murty was also impressed by the same scene, writing a glowing review that was published both on her own blog and on Human Events, the "national conservative weekly." She writes:
One astonishing sequence in "The Path to 9/11" shows the CIA and the Northern Alliance surrounding Bin Laden's house in Afghanistan. They're on the verge of capturing Bin Laden, but they need final approval from the Clinton administration in order to go ahead. They phone Clinton, but he and his senior staff refuse to give authorization for the capture of Bin Laden, for fear of political fall-out if the mission should go wrong and civilians are harmed. National Security Adviser Sandy Berger in essence tells the team in Afghanistan that if they want to capture Bin Laden, they'll have to go ahead and do it on their own without any official authorization. The episode is a perfect example of Clinton-era irresponsibility and incompetence.
The only problem with this "perfect example," which Murty praises because it "honestly depicts how the Clinton administration repeatedly bungled the capture of Osama Bin Laden," is that it didn't happen. In reality, it was CIA director George Tenet, not Berger, who called off the operation, which never got anywhere near "surrounding Bin Laden's house in Afghanistan." According to the 9/11 commision report on which the movie is supposedly based, Tenet told us that, given the recommendation of his chief operations officers, he alone had decided to "turn off" the operation. He had simply informed Berger, who had not pushed back. Berger's recollection was similar. He said the plan was never presented to the White House for a decision.
The CIA's senior management clearly did not think the plan would work. Tenet's deputy director of operations wrote to Berger a few weeks later that the CIA assessed the tribals' ability to capture Bin Ladin and deliver him to U.S. officials as low.
In an interview with the far-right Front Page Magazine, "Path to 9/11" screenwriter Nowrasteh said that the 9/11 report "details the Clinton's administration's response -- or lack of response -- to Al Qaeda and how this emboldened Bin Laden to keep attacking American interests. The worst example is the response to the October 2000 attack on the U.S.S. Cole in Yemen, where 17 American sailors were killed. There simply was no response. Nothing."
Again, the actual commission report described thing differently:
As evidence of Al Qaeda's responsibility for the Cole attack came in during November 2000, National Security Advisor Samuel Berger asked the Pentagon to develop a plan for a sustained air campaign against the Taliban. Clarke developed a paper laying out a formal, specific ultimatum. But Clarke's plan apparently did not advance to formal consideration by the Small Group of principals. We have found no indication that the idea was briefed to the new administration or that Clarke passed his paper to them, although the same team of career officials spanned both administrations.
The commission's executive summary explains that by the time Al Qaeda was definitely identified as the party responsible for attacking the Cole, Clinton had left office, and it was Bush who declined to take action:
After the October 2000 attack on the USS Cole, evidence accumulated that it had been launched by Al Qaeda operatives, but without confirmation that Bin Ladin had given the order. The Taliban had earlier been warned that it would be held responsible for another Bin Ladin attack on the United States. The CIA described its findings as a "preliminary judgment"; President Clinton and his chief advisers told us they were waiting for a conclusion before deciding whether to take military action. The military alternatives remained unappealing to them.
The transition to the new Bush administration in late 2000 and early 2001 took place with the Cole issue still pending. President George W. Bush and his chief advisers accepted that Al Qaeda was responsible for the attack on the Cole but did not like the options available for a response.
Bin Ladin's inference may well have been that attacks, at least at the level of the Cole, were risk-free.
There is another political wrinkle to this that should be noted. The attack on the Cole occurred in October 2000, near the end of Clinton's presidency and at the peak of the election campaign between George W. Bush and Al Gore. A military strike under those circumstances, in the absence of clear evidence linking Al Qaeda to the Cole attack, would have been instantly denounced by Republicans as an election-season publicity stunt designed to benefit Gore. And it was the FBI and CIA that failed to provide the clear rationale that Clinton would have needed to justify such action. In Richard Clarke's book, "Against All Enemies," he describes the handling of the Cole attack as follows:
The Yemeni government also dragged its feet in the investigation, leading to President Clinton's becoming personally involved. The U.S. government left the Yemenis in no doubt about the two alternative paths that Yemeni-American relations could take.
Meanwhile in Washington neither CIA nor FBI would state the obvious: Al Qaeda did it. It was difficult to gain support for a retaliatory strike when neither FBI nor CIA would say that Al Qaeda did it.
Clinton left office with bin Laden alive, but having authorized action to eliminate him and to step up the attacks on Al Qaeda. He had defeated Al Qaeda when it attempted to take over Bosnia by having its fighters dominate the defense of the breakaway state from Serbian attacks. He had seen earlier than anyone that terrorism would be the major new threat facing America, and therefore had greatly increased funding for counterterrorism and initiated homeland protection programs. He had put an end to Iraqi and Iranian terrorism against the United States by quickly acting against the intelligence services of each nation.
Because of the intensity of the political opposition that Clinton encountered, he had been heavily criticized for bombing Al Qaeda camps in Afghanistan, for engaging in "Wag the Dog" tactics to divert attention from a scandal about his personal life. For similar reasons, he could not fire the recalcitrant FBI director who had failed to fix the Bureau or to uncover terrorists in the United States.
When Clinton left office many people, including the incoming Bush administration, thought that he and his administration were overly obsessed with Al Qaeda. Why was Clinton so worked up about Al Qaeda, and why did he talk to President-elect Bush about it and have Sandy Berger raise it with his successor as National Security Advisor, Condi Rice? In January 2001, the new administration really thought Clinton's recommendation that eliminating Al Qaeda be one of its highest priorities to be rather odd, like so many of the Clinton administration's actions.
William Rivers Pitt has written a detailed account of the initiatives initiated under Clinton to deal with Al Qaeda and the threat of terrorism. PBS has produced a documentary (not a docudrama) that offers fascinating insights into the life and career of John O'Neill, the counterterrorism expert who presciently warned about Al Qaeda prior to 9/11 and who is portrayed in "The Path to 9/11" by actor Harvey Keitel. The New Yorker has also written a nuanced, detailed profile of O'Neill that avoids political spin.
If people want to understand the failures that led to 9/11, they should turn to these and other examples of actual journalism rather than the mix of fact, fantasy and deliberate distortion that ABC/Disney plans to broadcast on the fifth anniversary of America's deadliest terrorist attack.
For ABC counterterrorism analyst Richard Clarke's debunking of the movie go HERE.
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Posted by: Asterix on Sep 5, 2006 4:42 AM
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I have just heard that The Path to 9/11 is going to be aired on BBC! A major blow to the credibility of that institution as far as I am concerned,
ABC took down the discussion info website on this program last night because of the controversy. If only they would cancel the program.
Perhaps we can cancel ABC! I've written emails and letters and I just emailed BBC about this. What other alternatives do we have? Is there any organized protest over this blatant attempt ot rewrite history. Lots of Americans don't know how to find out about the real facts and believe what the media spoon feeds them!
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» Alternatives..
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Posted by: rebel_pig on Sep 5, 2006 5:38 AM
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Once you have alienated them from Leftism with your FakeLeft, white-hating identity politics, the GOP can do almost any damn thing it pleases. They have nowhere else to go, nowhere else to turn but to the GOP and the Right. And you fakeLefters with your race-and-gender Identity Politics divisiveness made damn sure of that!
How does ya like them stinkin' apples, ya traitors? Hoist by your farkin' petard....
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Sep 5, 2006 6:08 AM
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In the US media, all arguements are partizan ones. Truth depends on what party you're representing.
Americans are the real losers, but as long as Washington oppresses whole nations abroad to keep thier oil flowing, thier burgers a nickle cheaper, and the war machine going, they don't give a shit. Never have. No, the 60s don't count, the Vietnam Conflict wasn't stopped by protests and hippies, that's just a yuppie fantasy. There is little difference, in US Foreign Policy, between today and 1966.
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Posted by: wawa on Sep 5, 2006 6:13 AM
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THEY READ BOOKS,
NOT watch the drivel on TV...
excerpted from a NEW release
Chapter 10 THAT DAY
...Jack thrived on curiosity and spoke as he reached for the remote, "Mo, you know I never watch TV in the daytime, what's up?"
"Well, isn't Julianne visiting her sister in the City?"
"Yeah, in fact today's plan was to meet her sister's co-workers on Floor 101 of the North Twin Tower."
"Jack, turn the TV on."
"Oh Mo, I just did, my God, is it the end of the world?" He spoke as he hung up the phone and never heard Mo say, "I don't know."
Jack knew in his bones that Julianne had been vaporized and then he recalled a song he had first heard in 1981:
"See the massacre of the innocent...City's on fire... phones out of order... I see the turning of the page. Curtain's rising on a new age. See the Groom* still waiting at the altar." [Bob Dylan, Shot of Love, Columbia Records, Inc. 1981]
And then, II Chronicles 6:1 welled up within:
"The Lord has said that he would dwell in thick darkness."
Dr. Jake Hunter heard the news that stopped the world for a day from his third patient of the morning. Terese didn't know until Jake called her before his next patient.
Kat had been dancing in her loft studio in Panacea Florida all morning, ignoring neurological symptoms. She did not turn her cell phone on until 12:45 PM then gasped, "Christ, who died? The entire Hunter clan has called me. I'll phone mom," she said just as "Let it Be" chimed from her cell.
"Hi Kat, I have been trying to reach you."
"Mom, what's the deal, what's going on?"
"Turn the TV on."
Kat did and gasped, "Oh my God, is it the end of the world?"
"Nobody knows."
"Mom, I am coming home. I'll bring Bob; I think I'll stay awhile."
"Okay, okay, drive carefully."
Kat packed three weeks worth of clothes and put Bob, her blue eyed cat in his kennel and wrote a sign for the front door that read: KATZ STUDIO CLOSED UNTIL ???
...The Sunday after that day the world stood still the Hunter's seven children and eighteen grandchildren had gathered together. Everyone was down at the lake except for Jake, Terese and Kat who were in the family room.
Jake contemplated upon Kat's chances of having ALS or a bad neck and brooded.
Terese said, "There's an interfaith gathering today in Shea Stadium and I want to view it."
She turned the TV on just as the shofar sounded in New York City and hundreds of priests, rabbi's, sheiks and clerics of all kinds filed onto the stadium in front of a sorrowful nation. Kat became luminous...
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Posted by: Prophit on Sep 5, 2006 6:26 AM
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Now was this picked up by the US press? No, but it was by the French reporters of Figaro, a major french newspaper and a subsequent book written about it by both reporters. Even after the article was distributed world wide and the book was released, our press still did not publish that information.
I wrote an email to ABC news about their program and threatened to boycott their program/stations and their advertisers. Here is my email to them, I was soooooo mad.
"I just read you (abc news) are doing a neocon biased version of the path to 9-11. I am here to say that I will boycott ABC if they do not do a balanced and factual presentation of what occurred. I am anxious to see how you present the fact that the Pentagon officials lied outright to the 9-11 commission who then turned them over to an independant agency for investigation.
I am also anxious to see how you explain away the video take on the NJ side of the river during the entire time the buildings were burning and the explosions were heard across the river that brought those buildings down. We could hear the whole thing.
We also heard the entire CNN radio broadcast of the entire live reporting where the reporters clearly state that there were explosions and they say it appears that bombs went off in the building before the buildings began to collapse and mention the huge smoke coming up from the bottom of the building from the bombs that went off.
What about Rodriquez who was interviewed by NBC who is the head of maintenance and the bombs he heard and saw go off below ground level. Will you be covering that??? I DIDN'T THINK SO. Remember Nuremberg and all those who aided and abetted the nazis including the press and what happened to them as well. The time will come, I can assure you of that. "
PLEASE, EVERYONE, EMAIL THEM AND SAY YOU WILL BOYCOTT THEM AND THEIR PRODUCTS AND NEVER DARKEN THEIR DOOR AGAIN AS A VIABLE PUBLIC STATION OR EVER TRUST THEIR NEWS PROGRAMMING AGAIN.
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Posted by: NonnyO on Sep 5, 2006 6:27 AM
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As far as this particular fictional docudrama... I plan to be busy those evenings... listening to silence while reading a good book, or maybe listening to good music, or if I bother having the TV on at all, it will be most definitely any other network. The reality is recent history, and I know what the reality is/was. Fictionalized accounts of reality don't qualify as 'docudramas.'
To get nonsense like this to stop?
Boycott the advertisers. Just. Do. Not. Buy. Their. Products. Period.
Whether the product being sold is worth a few dollars or a few thousand dollars, just don't buy the products advertised. It's that simple.
Before the '04 election an organized boycott of Sinclair was organized when they planned to show the Swiftboat liars' version of Kerry's military service.
But for a boycott to work, it doesn't really need to be "organzied." It just takes common sense and a refusal to buy products advertised on those shows. When profit margins of those corporations go down, that might get the message across that people don't want to watch such drivel. The only way to fight back is to refuse to be parted from your own hard-earned money....
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Posted by: NonnyO on Sep 5, 2006 7:58 AM
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I hate ads of all kinds so badly that the few shows I do watch (six or fewer) I tape so I can fast forward through the commercials, but I always see car commercials and drug commercials while fast forwarding.
If you can bear taking that much time out of your life, how about taping the show, then (while keeping the sound mute), make a list of the advertisers you plan to boycott as you see the names of the companies on the commercials...?
I've been boycotting practically everything since the '04 election. If it's not necessary for daily living (food, etc.), I just don't buy it (many products containing stinky chemicals I can't buy anyway because of multiple chemical allergies). Heckuva practical way to save money, actually; just buy what's necessary to live, and refuse to buy anything else. Period.
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Posted by: rwa on Sep 5, 2006 9:08 AM
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The politics of fear is bi-partisan. ABC, Michael Moore, it's all about creating hatred of Arabs using phony evidence.
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"Senator Kennedy uttered this same line of argument in a speech at George Washington University a month before. By shifting attention from Osama bin Laden to Iraq, Kennedy said, President Bush had increased the danger of a nuclear 9/11. "The war in Iraq has made the mushroom cloud more likely, not less likely," he said. Other WMD experts echoed this view, unconsciously confirming the wisdom and necessity of the administration's fight."
"Yes, much more has to be done to rid the world of the WMD menace. I'm not completely confident that some nuclear-armed countries--specifically the United States, China, Russia, Israel, Pakistan, or India--won't use them in our lifetime. From the perspective of an Iran or North Korea, the 1990's erosion of absolute sovereignty and the post-9/11 presumption of preemption, together with the abandonment of meaningful disarmament by the permanent five, makes WMD seem both necessary and justified."
"A more accurate picture of the state of WMD five years after 9/11 is that the threat has indeed diminished. A truer intelligence assessment is that the danger has steadily declined despite the continued existence of eight nuclear nations and two serious rogues. To argue in favor of a new perspective on WMD is not cockeyed optimism or naiveté. But to get there will require breaking the near-unanimous stranglehold of the Cheney and Kennedy camps. Theirs is the real nuclear terror."
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Posted by: vangogh69 on Sep 5, 2006 10:38 AM
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A few odd 9/11 things:
-Why did CIA contact with Osama continue until the summer of 2001 (if they believed him responsible for the USS Cole, why was he still on the payroll)?
-What is the connection between UNOCAL and PM Karzai?
-Why was the Carlye group meeting on 9/11? What is the Carlyle group?
-Who ordered the flight mock-ups on 9/11? Why were no planes scrambled to intercept the one that hit the Pentagon (the most heavily secured building in the world, one would suspect)?
-Why so little damage at the Pentagon? Where's the plane? Why hasn't multiple video footage surfaced from that crash (as it has with the WTC towers)?
-Why did the second tower fall first though it was hit second and most of the fuel spent outside of the tower (hence the massive fireball)? Why did the towers collapse at all (they were built to take the hit, as all major structures legally must be)?
-Why did WTC7 collapse? ("The best thing would be to pull it," Silverstein is on record as having said.)
-What arrangement did Larry Silverstein have worked out with the City of New York on the property housing the WTCs?
-Why didn't the EPA order an evacuation of lower Manhattan when it knew it was being covered by a blanket of abestos (which was used as fireproofing on the towers in 80% of their construction), only later to have it come out that toxicity levels were in fact higher than they reported?
-And on, and on, and on...
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Posted by: Guy on Sep 5, 2006 12:06 PM
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"The truth is not important, rather what people believe to be the truth."
- Barbara Tuchman
Sad, but true...er...rather, truthy.
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Please consider going there and telling them that you're contacting your school board to complain.
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Posted by: bullwhip7 on Sep 5, 2006 8:36 PM
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Good work ABC, its time somebody called a spade a spade. Everyone is quick to blame the Bush adminiistration, but the facts are that the whole thing was planned, hatched, and 90% carried out under Clinton.
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Posted by: itsallmyfault on Sep 6, 2006 5:39 PM
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All of this is so much fingerpointing and it seems to me that Republicans and Democrats need to grow up, move beyond the incendiary and focus on things we can DO something about. All of the energy used to flog ABC, Michael Moore, and The Rat could really could be used more productively.
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The fact is, Bush may have froze for 7 minutes after hearing about the twin towers, but Clinton froze for 8 years on terrorism. 9/11 was a direct result of the Clinton administrations policy of trying to make everyone happy and run from conflict. Even giving money/oil/food to enemies (North Korea) so they wouldn't stir the pot an possibly have a negative affect the economy or his image. Clinton made it illegal for the CIA and FBI to share information, so the NAACP would be happy.
More light should be shed on the failures of the Clinton administration. If we don’t learn from past mistakes, we are doomed to repeat them.
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» By the way, fiction isn't reality.
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» By all means only show Clinton's mistakes...
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Posted by: gonzoskismet on Sep 7, 2006 11:39 AM
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Wake up, ladies and gentlemen, and take a good, hard look at America. It's the Last Hour on the Titanic. The band is playing 'Nearer My God to Thee' and there aren't enough life boats. And your playing the 'Blame Game.' God help this nation.
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Posted by: roadcyclist on Sep 8, 2006 6:55 AM
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Geesch with all the liberal biased media out there, you would think you would have to expect that one or two media outlets would eventually have to publish something more to the truth that what the liberal media would have us all believe,...
I hope ABC runs it just like they plan so you all will get a dose of what the liberal media has been pushing down our throats for years,...you at least deserve that much,...
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Posted by: Thucy on Sep 8, 2006 12:17 PM
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If ABC insists on airing this, perhaps we should insist on the network airing opposing views. And since this is an attack on Clinton, how about urging that Clinton himself be allowed an hour of prime time to give his version of events. He could run down all the steps he took to forestall Bin Ladin, and might even recount how, when he did order a strike on Bin Ladin's HQ in Afghanistan, this was denounced by Republicans as a "distraction" from the "real issue" of whether or not he'd lied about his sex life. Seems to me I recall all sorts of Republicans of the time casting his action as an example of "wag the dog."
If nothing else, seeing Clinton on prime time is sure to infuriate the Neocons, and remind folks of what it was like to have a president who knew how to pronounce "eclectic."
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I have just heard that The Path to 9/11 is going to be aired on BBC! A major blow to the credibility of that institution as far as I am concerned,
ABC took down the discussion info website on this program last night because of the controversy. If only they would cancel the program.
Perhaps we can cancel ABC! I've written emails and letters and I just emailed BBC about this. What other alternatives do we have? Is there any organized protest over this blatant attempt ot rewrite history. Lots of Americans don't know how to find out about the real facts and believe what the media spoon feeds them!
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Posted by: rebel_pig on Sep 5, 2006 5:38 AM
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Once you have alienated them from Leftism with your FakeLeft, white-hating identity politics, the GOP can do almost any damn thing it pleases. They have nowhere else to go, nowhere else to turn but to the GOP and the Right. And you fakeLefters with your race-and-gender Identity Politics divisiveness made damn sure of that!
How does ya like them stinkin' apples, ya traitors? Hoist by your farkin' petard....
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Sep 5, 2006 6:08 AM
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In the US media, all arguements are partizan ones. Truth depends on what party you're representing.
Americans are the real losers, but as long as Washington oppresses whole nations abroad to keep thier oil flowing, thier burgers a nickle cheaper, and the war machine going, they don't give a shit. Never have. No, the 60s don't count, the Vietnam Conflict wasn't stopped by protests and hippies, that's just a yuppie fantasy. There is little difference, in US Foreign Policy, between today and 1966.
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THEY READ BOOKS,
NOT watch the drivel on TV...
excerpted from a NEW release
Chapter 10 THAT DAY
...Jack thrived on curiosity and spoke as he reached for the remote, "Mo, you know I never watch TV in the daytime, what's up?"
"Well, isn't Julianne visiting her sister in the City?"
"Yeah, in fact today's plan was to meet her sister's co-workers on Floor 101 of the North Twin Tower."
"Jack, turn the TV on."
"Oh Mo, I just did, my God, is it the end of the world?" He spoke as he hung up the phone and never heard Mo say, "I don't know."
Jack knew in his bones that Julianne had been vaporized and then he recalled a song he had first heard in 1981:
"See the massacre of the innocent...City's on fire... phones out of order... I see the turning of the page. Curtain's rising on a new age. See the Groom* still waiting at the altar." [Bob Dylan, Shot of Love, Columbia Records, Inc. 1981]
And then, II Chronicles 6:1 welled up within:
"The Lord has said that he would dwell in thick darkness."
Dr. Jake Hunter heard the news that stopped the world for a day from his third patient of the morning. Terese didn't know until Jake called her before his next patient.
Kat had been dancing in her loft studio in Panacea Florida all morning, ignoring neurological symptoms. She did not turn her cell phone on until 12:45 PM then gasped, "Christ, who died? The entire Hunter clan has called me. I'll phone mom," she said just as "Let it Be" chimed from her cell.
"Hi Kat, I have been trying to reach you."
"Mom, what's the deal, what's going on?"
"Turn the TV on."
Kat did and gasped, "Oh my God, is it the end of the world?"
"Nobody knows."
"Mom, I am coming home. I'll bring Bob; I think I'll stay awhile."
"Okay, okay, drive carefully."
Kat packed three weeks worth of clothes and put Bob, her blue eyed cat in his kennel and wrote a sign for the front door that read: KATZ STUDIO CLOSED UNTIL ???
...The Sunday after that day the world stood still the Hunter's seven children and eighteen grandchildren had gathered together. Everyone was down at the lake except for Jake, Terese and Kat who were in the family room.
Jake contemplated upon Kat's chances of having ALS or a bad neck and brooded.
Terese said, "There's an interfaith gathering today in Shea Stadium and I want to view it."
She turned the TV on just as the shofar sounded in New York City and hundreds of priests, rabbi's, sheiks and clerics of all kinds filed onto the stadium in front of a sorrowful nation. Kat became luminous...
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Posted by: Prophit on Sep 5, 2006 6:26 AM
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Now was this picked up by the US press? No, but it was by the French reporters of Figaro, a major french newspaper and a subsequent book written about it by both reporters. Even after the article was distributed world wide and the book was released, our press still did not publish that information.
I wrote an email to ABC news about their program and threatened to boycott their program/stations and their advertisers. Here is my email to them, I was soooooo mad.
"I just read you (abc news) are doing a neocon biased version of the path to 9-11. I am here to say that I will boycott ABC if they do not do a balanced and factual presentation of what occurred. I am anxious to see how you present the fact that the Pentagon officials lied outright to the 9-11 commission who then turned them over to an independant agency for investigation.
I am also anxious to see how you explain away the video take on the NJ side of the river during the entire time the buildings were burning and the explosions were heard across the river that brought those buildings down. We could hear the whole thing.
We also heard the entire CNN radio broadcast of the entire live reporting where the reporters clearly state that there were explosions and they say it appears that bombs went off in the building before the buildings began to collapse and mention the huge smoke coming up from the bottom of the building from the bombs that went off.
What about Rodriquez who was interviewed by NBC who is the head of maintenance and the bombs he heard and saw go off below ground level. Will you be covering that??? I DIDN'T THINK SO. Remember Nuremberg and all those who aided and abetted the nazis including the press and what happened to them as well. The time will come, I can assure you of that. "
PLEASE, EVERYONE, EMAIL THEM AND SAY YOU WILL BOYCOTT THEM AND THEIR PRODUCTS AND NEVER DARKEN THEIR DOOR AGAIN AS A VIABLE PUBLIC STATION OR EVER TRUST THEIR NEWS PROGRAMMING AGAIN.
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Posted by: NonnyO on Sep 5, 2006 6:27 AM
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As far as this particular fictional docudrama... I plan to be busy those evenings... listening to silence while reading a good book, or maybe listening to good music, or if I bother having the TV on at all, it will be most definitely any other network. The reality is recent history, and I know what the reality is/was. Fictionalized accounts of reality don't qualify as 'docudramas.'
To get nonsense like this to stop?
Boycott the advertisers. Just. Do. Not. Buy. Their. Products. Period.
Whether the product being sold is worth a few dollars or a few thousand dollars, just don't buy the products advertised. It's that simple.
Before the '04 election an organized boycott of Sinclair was organized when they planned to show the Swiftboat liars' version of Kerry's military service.
But for a boycott to work, it doesn't really need to be "organzied." It just takes common sense and a refusal to buy products advertised on those shows. When profit margins of those corporations go down, that might get the message across that people don't want to watch such drivel. The only way to fight back is to refuse to be parted from your own hard-earned money....
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I hate ads of all kinds so badly that the few shows I do watch (six or fewer) I tape so I can fast forward through the commercials, but I always see car commercials and drug commercials while fast forwarding.
If you can bear taking that much time out of your life, how about taping the show, then (while keeping the sound mute), make a list of the advertisers you plan to boycott as you see the names of the companies on the commercials...?
I've been boycotting practically everything since the '04 election. If it's not necessary for daily living (food, etc.), I just don't buy it (many products containing stinky chemicals I can't buy anyway because of multiple chemical allergies). Heckuva practical way to save money, actually; just buy what's necessary to live, and refuse to buy anything else. Period.
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The politics of fear is bi-partisan. ABC, Michael Moore, it's all about creating hatred of Arabs using phony evidence.
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"Senator Kennedy uttered this same line of argument in a speech at George Washington University a month before. By shifting attention from Osama bin Laden to Iraq, Kennedy said, President Bush had increased the danger of a nuclear 9/11. "The war in Iraq has made the mushroom cloud more likely, not less likely," he said. Other WMD experts echoed this view, unconsciously confirming the wisdom and necessity of the administration's fight."
"Yes, much more has to be done to rid the world of the WMD menace. I'm not completely confident that some nuclear-armed countries--specifically the United States, China, Russia, Israel, Pakistan, or India--won't use them in our lifetime. From the perspective of an Iran or North Korea, the 1990's erosion of absolute sovereignty and the post-9/11 presumption of preemption, together with the abandonment of meaningful disarmament by the permanent five, makes WMD seem both necessary and justified."
"A more accurate picture of the state of WMD five years after 9/11 is that the threat has indeed diminished. A truer intelligence assessment is that the danger has steadily declined despite the continued existence of eight nuclear nations and two serious rogues. To argue in favor of a new perspective on WMD is not cockeyed optimism or naiveté. But to get there will require breaking the near-unanimous stranglehold of the Cheney and Kennedy camps. Theirs is the real nuclear terror."
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A few odd 9/11 things:
-Why did CIA contact with Osama continue until the summer of 2001 (if they believed him responsible for the USS Cole, why was he still on the payroll)?
-What is the connection between UNOCAL and PM Karzai?
-Why was the Carlye group meeting on 9/11? What is the Carlyle group?
-Who ordered the flight mock-ups on 9/11? Why were no planes scrambled to intercept the one that hit the Pentagon (the most heavily secured building in the world, one would suspect)?
-Why so little damage at the Pentagon? Where's the plane? Why hasn't multiple video footage surfaced from that crash (as it has with the WTC towers)?
-Why did the second tower fall first though it was hit second and most of the fuel spent outside of the tower (hence the massive fireball)? Why did the towers collapse at all (they were built to take the hit, as all major structures legally must be)?
-Why did WTC7 collapse? ("The best thing would be to pull it," Silverstein is on record as having said.)
-What arrangement did Larry Silverstein have worked out with the City of New York on the property housing the WTCs?
-Why didn't the EPA order an evacuation of lower Manhattan when it knew it was being covered by a blanket of abestos (which was used as fireproofing on the towers in 80% of their construction), only later to have it come out that toxicity levels were in fact higher than they reported?
-And on, and on, and on...
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"The truth is not important, rather what people believe to be the truth."
- Barbara Tuchman
Sad, but true...er...rather, truthy.
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The page no longer loads, but their customer service page does: http://scholastic.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ scholastic.cfg/php/enduser/ask.php.
Please consider going there and telling them that you're contacting your school board to complain.
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Posted by: bullwhip7 on Sep 5, 2006 8:36 PM
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Good work ABC, its time somebody called a spade a spade. Everyone is quick to blame the Bush adminiistration, but the facts are that the whole thing was planned, hatched, and 90% carried out under Clinton.
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All of this is so much fingerpointing and it seems to me that Republicans and Democrats need to grow up, move beyond the incendiary and focus on things we can DO something about. All of the energy used to flog ABC, Michael Moore, and The Rat could really could be used more productively.
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Posted by: franknbeans on Sep 7, 2006 11:05 AM
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The fact is, Bush may have froze for 7 minutes after hearing about the twin towers, but Clinton froze for 8 years on terrorism. 9/11 was a direct result of the Clinton administrations policy of trying to make everyone happy and run from conflict. Even giving money/oil/food to enemies (North Korea) so they wouldn't stir the pot an possibly have a negative affect the economy or his image. Clinton made it illegal for the CIA and FBI to share information, so the NAACP would be happy.
More light should be shed on the failures of the Clinton administration. If we don’t learn from past mistakes, we are doomed to repeat them.
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Posted by: gonzoskismet on Sep 7, 2006 11:39 AM
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Wake up, ladies and gentlemen, and take a good, hard look at America. It's the Last Hour on the Titanic. The band is playing 'Nearer My God to Thee' and there aren't enough life boats. And your playing the 'Blame Game.' God help this nation.
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Posted by: roadcyclist on Sep 8, 2006 6:55 AM
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Geesch with all the liberal biased media out there, you would think you would have to expect that one or two media outlets would eventually have to publish something more to the truth that what the liberal media would have us all believe,...
I hope ABC runs it just like they plan so you all will get a dose of what the liberal media has been pushing down our throats for years,...you at least deserve that much,...
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If ABC insists on airing this, perhaps we should insist on the network airing opposing views. And since this is an attack on Clinton, how about urging that Clinton himself be allowed an hour of prime time to give his version of events. He could run down all the steps he took to forestall Bin Ladin, and might even recount how, when he did order a strike on Bin Ladin's HQ in Afghanistan, this was denounced by Republicans as a "distraction" from the "real issue" of whether or not he'd lied about his sex life. Seems to me I recall all sorts of Republicans of the time casting his action as an example of "wag the dog."
If nothing else, seeing Clinton on prime time is sure to infuriate the Neocons, and remind folks of what it was like to have a president who knew how to pronounce "eclectic."
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