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The Long Dive of a Woman's Sex Drive

By Liz Langley, AlterNet. Posted August 26, 2006.


A German study reports that women's sexual desire for their partners dwindles with time. What's a monogamous gal to do?
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Imagine, if you will, a slide whistle -- it starts out high and then declines. That's also the soundtrack to a woman's sex drive in the same relationship over a course of years, according to a German study.

Now imagine a test of the Emergency Broadcast System, that consistent hum that stays steadfast in its signal and doesn't seem like it will ever end. That's the soundtrack for the men.

A BBC news story reports that researchers at Hamburg-Eppendorf University studied 530 men and women found that men's interest in sex stays the same, like that EBS test, no matter how long they've been in a relationship. Between 60 percent and 80 percent still wanted it regularly over time. As for the ladies, 60 percent of 30-year-old women started out hot in relationships, but "within four years of the relationship this figure fell to under 50 percent," and in 20 years only 20 percent remain focused horndogs.

That would seem to upend the stereotypes of the romantic, ring-happy woman and the skirt-chasing commitment-phobic man. But psychologist and lead author of the study Dr. Dietrich Klusmann points to evolutionary reasons for both male attention and female distraction.

"For men, a good reason their sexual motivation to remain constant would be to guard against being cuckolded by another male," Klusmann says. It sounds simple enough: Keep paying attention so she doesn't seek attention elsewhere.

This constancy doesn't square with the idea a lot of us have -- OK, I have -- of the promiscuous male, biologically driven to throw his DNA around like mardi gras beads to any chick who'll accept.

In looking for an explanation on how a wandering eye and a constant heart could jibe, I found this essay by David P. Barash, professor of psychology at the University of Washington. In "Deflating the Myth of Monogamy," Barash quotes sociobiologist Robert Trivers, saying males have a "mixed reproductive strategy."

Males, Barash says "establish a mateship with a designated female ... while also making themselves available for E.P.C.'s (extra-pair copulations) with other females, whom they will not assist." He also brings up the cuckolding theory.

That men are capable of keeping a lot of balls in the air for a long time comes as no surprise to me.

But what about women? Are we really more fickle than we imagine ourselves to be? Most of us seem to want secure, mature love, but once we've opened that gift do we really start yawning and wondering what else is under the tree?

The fading interest some women exhibit sounds less revolutionary than evolutionary. The BBC says "He (Dr. Klusmann) said animal behavior studies suggest this could be because females may be diverting their sexual interest towards other men, in order to secure the best combinations of genetic material for their offspring.

"Or, he said, this could be because limiting sex may boost their partner's interest in it."

Dr. Helen Fisher wrote a bit about those genetic combos in her 2004 book "Why We Love: The Nature and Chemistry of Romantic Love." Looking at partner switching from an anthropological viewpoint, Fisher writes that "primitive divorce" among our early ancestors "had genetic payoffs: Men and women who "remarried" could bear young with a different partner, creating beneficial variety in their lineage."

So, as one of my friends suggested, it might sometimes be more than the fact that he won't take the garbage out.

The more of this kind of stuff I read (and I read a fair amount of it), the more I wonder if anyone in Vegas has calculated the odds of the average person making it to "happily ever after." Not whatever-after, where you're cutting all kinds of emotional corners, but the whole package -- warm, fuzzy love and hot monkey love, with the same person, true blue, until somebody is dead.

Surely it happens, but it seems rare -- and yet most of us aspire, even expect to attain it. On one hand, it seems like a tribute to human idealism. On the other hand, no wonder antidepressants are such a big business.

Whether our relationships are shaped by culture, upbringing, biology, choice or dumb luck (my bet: it's a mix), it's always fascinating to watch researchers try to figure them out. I know this is just a study of 530 people, but honestly, I've had fits of fickleness in relationships that have changed my life and made my own heart more puzzling to me than an airplane console. I'm happy to have someone even try to explain me to myself.

Maybe the heart is too random to pin down, but the attempts are certainly gratifying. Woody Allen famously said "The heart has its reasons." Blaise Pascal said, "The heart has reasons that reason cannot know." But I like it best when someone in a lab coat pops up with "I gotcher reasons right here."

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Liz Langley is a freelance writer in Orlando, Fla.

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Posted by: rsaxto on Aug 26, 2006 1:16 AM   
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Is a horndog a woman who likes men that have bigger breasts than her own?

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» RE: horndog Posted by: Iconoclast421
The PseudoLeft is only for women (and metrosexuals)
Posted by: rebel_pig on Aug 26, 2006 3:15 AM   
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THAT's the way to divide and rule, sez the ruling class

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Communication
Posted by: HeadsUp on Aug 26, 2006 3:36 AM   
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I am a happily married woman of 25 years. I was married twice before during the PRIME of my life and had a more than disappointing sex life with those partners. I really feel that an enjoyable sex life is about communication and anticipation. Women are too tired at night and are more likely to desire sex in the middle of the afternoon, so you call up you husband and say just that. Did the good Dr. analyze the energy levels of women that coincide with her sex drive? Wanting sex and having the energy for it are two different things and usually happen at different times of the day. Women also prefer quality to quantity. A Saturday night with a bottle of champagne as apposed to 3 or 4 sessions of jump and run. Men are less complex, jump and run plus that champagne Saturday night. This Dr. is stereotyping older women and doesn’t this somehow send the signal that men can go after younger woman because older women just can’t cut it any more?

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sex and more confusing stuff
Posted by: logicaldog on Aug 26, 2006 3:50 AM   
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As a couples therapist i am getting more and more cynical about monogamy working (especially for women). Is it my imagination but are men morons? I guess I am jaded but I dont see much in the way of men who are good at multitasking-(father, husband, human being). Women always seem to get holding every bag there is (work, chores, kids, sex...) Men take responsibility for? moodiness.

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sex and more confusing stuff
Posted by: logicaldog on Aug 26, 2006 3:50 AM   
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As a couples therapist i am getting more and more cynical about monogamy working (especially for women). Is it my imagination but are men morons? I guess I am jaded but I dont see much in the way of men who are good at multitasking-(father, husband, human being). Women always seem to get holding every bag there is (work, chores, kids, sex...) Men take responsibility for? moodiness.

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» RE: sex and more confusing stuff Posted by: Logic's Edge
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» Thanks for reminding me! Posted by: LDavistrueblue
evo-psych studies tend to be nothing but guesswork
Posted by: Samantha Vimes on Aug 26, 2006 3:55 AM   
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Don't trust the man in the lab-coat. Who did they interview? Women of the Kalihari? I think not. They interviewed women of modern western civilization, and are now trying to extrapolate some kind of idea of 'natural' behavior from there.
What were the differences between individuals?
What reason do you or they have to think "declining sex drive" means declining for spouse and hot for everyone else-- if they truly have diminished sex drive, they aren't having affairs, they just don't have the energy or attention for it with all the other work they are doing.
And THAT is the more likely thing. The women are physically, mentally and emotionally overburdened. A little help from the men would do wonders.

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In my marriages (hahahaaha), I have had no desire for another man!
Posted by: Prophit on Aug 26, 2006 4:49 AM   
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However, the timing of sex is one that has always been a problem. Men seem to want it in the early morning when bad breath, no shower, and conditions are the least romantic. In the evening I find from working a full 10 hour day, making dinner and doing other chores, l am left with no energy and am very tired.

I prefer it when things are easy and nice and conducive to gooooood foreplay. If my husband begins in the morning with touching and warmth and continues through the day, then early evening maybe before dinner, I am ready.

Remember, we are much different than men in getting ready to copulate. It takes more foreplay to get us into a receptive condition, while men, its just a "thought" and they are ready to go. Maybe someone in that study should have looked at those variables and situations to determine the REAL reason women lose sexual drive. Given my schedule, I wouldn't have time for anew man either. LOL

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Kids?
Posted by: Annarisse on Aug 26, 2006 5:15 AM   
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I wonder how many of those women four years into the relationship were chasing small children all day and half the night?

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antidepressants
Posted by: mazel on Aug 26, 2006 5:36 AM   
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As anybody who has been prescribed antidepressants knows, these drugs can have a very powerful negative effect on the libido. Perhaps they are a cause rather than an effect? It would be interesting to know how many in the test group are taking them.

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» RE: antidepressants Posted by: Khopirrou
Naughty by Nature
Posted by: davidl.cooper on Aug 26, 2006 6:32 AM   
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Humans can choose to be monogamous, but I don't think we are monogamous by nature. Monogamy is necessary for our offspring which require 18-21 years of rearing. The sexual attraction and sex drive is hard-wired into us to propagate the species; however, both men and women can lose sexual interest in their mate. It is unrealistic to think that just because one marries he or she will never be attracted to another person. Some people's values prevent them from acting on the attraction. Another complication is the longer lifespan today unlike the 19th Century when one's spouse often died relatively young. Maybe, we need a new paradigm for relationships in the 21st Century.

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Why Do We Study Such?
Posted by: douglashoyt on Aug 26, 2006 6:33 AM   
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Six billion people and counting, and humankind wonders about why women or men loose their sex drive.

I would like to see studies on how the sex drive can be suspressed or eliminated. And how to sterilize billions of people without their knowledge.

Humunkind are supposed to be thinking animals. We are supposed to control our lives and evironment. But, as a species, we are ruining literally everything.

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I know why women loose their sex drive.
Posted by: douglashoyt on Aug 26, 2006 6:39 AM   
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It is called a wedding cake.

As soon as they are married, it starts to decline.

Yes, I am a Male Chauvinist Pig.

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» I agree!! Posted by: kjc
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Behavioral Science is PROGRESSIVE, folks
Posted by: socialpsych on Aug 26, 2006 6:48 AM   
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The article's author displays a pathetic level of science illiteracy, as do some of the above comments.

Trust your own "experience" more than the findings of carefully conducted, peer-reviewed scientific research? You're in good company with the Christians who punished Galileo for advancing the shocking idea that the Earth revolves around the sun.

Don't believe evolutionary science has anything to say about YOUR behavior? You're right there with the Christofascists who are destroying American education and the American republic.

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logicaldog Is Right
Posted by: Mar on Aug 26, 2006 7:06 AM   
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There is no such thing as a frigid woman, there are only stupid men.

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Passionate Ape
Posted by: bw on Aug 26, 2006 7:06 AM   
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The biggest mistake in understanding our sexual/emotional evolution is in thinking that we are the product of linear selection - that what we do now has always had a payoff, and we have been selected for it over a long period.

I suggest we are the product of wrong turns in evolution, much like the whale (which descended from a terrestrial) or the penguin (which descended from a flyer). At stages long past, we had instincts and physiology that were selected for, and as we left the corresponding need behind, the instincts and physiology are forced to cope with new conditions. Men and women don't have some optimal reproductive strategy that they've continually moved toward. Men and women have bargains they make with fate, in a tumultuous and bloody battle of the sexes. This is a battle fought in the trenches, with no overhead view to see the battlefield. It is not (I swear) what you have been told.

I apologize if this sounds like a plug, but this is the only way I can say it. If you'd like to take your brain where it's never been before, read The Passionate Ape. You can find some good reviews on Amazon, and a synopsis on my website www.PassionateApe.com.

As a thumbnail sketch: Women lost reliable orgasms when we converted to predominantly frontal sex. This caused selection for personal-preference bonds, which evolved to a level of obsession that we now call "love". This in turn selected for male faithfulness, in a species that had always been highly promiscuous. The most effective path to monogamy is to strip down scent-awareness and subtle perception in males, leaving males somewhat stupid but more or less faithful. Male intellectual decline makes courting awkward, and leads toward males targeting naive females. The fringe of this trend gives child abuse - male sexual targeting of female children.

The last fifth of the book shows the payoff, which is substantial (well, here we are).

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If it is true for German Fraus....
Posted by: xenacat on Aug 26, 2006 7:15 AM   
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These kinds of studies are always pretty laughable. Human behavior is extremely varied and hard to predict on an individual basis. Building a case for all older women losing interest in their partners over time based on the experience of 530 German Ladies is silly, silly and sillier. I know plenty of older women who have one hell of an interest in sex and plenty of older men who just want "companionship". Hey, but what the hell, stereotyping is always good for a rousing and fun discussion about idiot sexual behaviors. Let the insults roll - beats thinking about how Dubya is trashing the world at this very moment....

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The more we study ourselves the less we really know
Posted by: tanstaafl28 on Aug 26, 2006 7:41 AM   
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Someone should tell my wife about this one because her sex drive shows no sign of slowing down!

Seriously, if this study is even true for a majority of women in the world, I suspect that the only thing slowing a woman's sex drive is juggling their careers, children, a mate, and everything else in-between. I believe most of them are probably just too damn tired to think about having sex!

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» Wives of a Feather Posted by: WildCherrySkittles
Older & Wiser
Posted by: vincen13 on Aug 26, 2006 8:01 AM   
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Blah, blah, blah! Research away. Human beings are sexually interested in variety, but make committments for legal and financial reasons and make their primary relationship work, if they value themselves and their partner. Modern society seems to believe that every sexual encounter should be Cosmo-wonderful, Sex in the City Marvelous. I, for one, wish that we could advance to some level of maturity where we can act on our higher values, and recognize our attractions, our passions, our infatuations are as fleeting as a firefly's light.

Newsflash! Both men and women get bored with monogamy, lust after others, occasionally sample a few others but want to come home to the comfort and security of someone who they can make love with, raise kids with, and count on to come out on a rainy night and help if the car breaks down.

Not very "fascinating" but very real!

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THANK GOD ... RELIEF AT LAST!
Posted by: michaelo on Aug 26, 2006 9:17 AM   
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Its about time. Every since the overthrow of matriarchy by the worn out hunter-killler barbarian patriarchs, we average guys have had to UP the old flag pole, no matter how hard we work:

Get up before dawn, eat gruel, dress in ridiculous outfits, match ties with shirts, find a means to commute to a alienating exploitive job, get yelled at grueling hour after hour, eat a pathetic lunch (ham and cheese - peanut butter and marmalade,) turn in our work, smoke endless cigarettes to help repress our overthetop emotions, commute home.

THEN we have to water the lawn, take out the trash, fix the sink, walk the dog, kick the kids, listen to an endless stream of bs-over-the-fence gossip, not to mention the neverending regurgitation of intra-family warmongering and the ensconced drivel of mother and fathers-in-law. (Whew!)

Then practice our golf swing, or play pitch and hit with Little shit head Jimmy. Clean the gutters before the rainy season, clip the hedges, gather fire wood or organize the weekend bbq crap. Wash the dog, take the wife's car to some jerk mechanic who points out that even an idiotic could have fixed what's wrong with it ... and he didnt mean her.

Trim our toenails because we are tired of hearing the under the cover bitching, get out clothes for the next day of wage slave labor. Polish our shoes and do the report for the idiot who is married to either the boss's or manager's daughter. Help quiet down the kids and assure them there were no monsters under the bed. Put the dog out. Turn out the lights and finally rest our tired worn out overworked underexercised bodies on a bed in front of Carson or Leno or some other half witted jerk SHE thinks is cute and then when she decides, run up a flagpole of an erection so she can ride it to death.

Then get up the next morning before dawn and shower off the sweat she thinks is romantic ...

Finally there is an end in site. Whew. Thanks.

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» RE: THANK GOD ... RELIEF AT LAST! Posted by: paul_revere
Well, this sure explains "lesbian bed death"
Posted by: BlueStateBitch on Aug 26, 2006 9:55 AM   
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I'm a lesbian with (naturally) lots of lesbian friends. Many of the couples report that their sex lives dwindle away to nothing until they're just "best friends" who share a bed. If they're really in love with each other and want a monogamous relationship, this basically condemns them to life without sex.

And now I understand why. It's a girl thing.

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This story is nonsense
Posted by: jim_the_owl on Aug 26, 2006 10:03 AM   
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This story is complete nonsense. My wife and I have been married for over 20 years, and we have been together longer than that and her sexual attraction for me, and mine for her, has done nothing but gotten stronger over the years. This is yet another example of the Liberal's attempt to make cheating okay. Cheating is NOT okay, in fact is destroys relationships because the trust is lost between couples. Don't believe any of this drivel you read in this story, because it is not true. My parents have been married for over 50 years and they are still "at it" with each other, even more so now that they are retired. Forget this stupid article and you will be better off.

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Funny my friend and I came up with this explanation last night
Posted by: Blueweed on Aug 26, 2006 10:05 AM   
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Funny, my good single male friend (just split with his fiance - they were not doing well in the sex dept after 5 years) and I were discussing this problem last night. I'm 45 and surrounded by failed or stalled marriages (about 50% say they never have sex and some for over the last 5 to 7 years).

I never married, have had many lovers, a number of 2 and 1/2 year monogamous relationships, no children (no desire for them either) and am flumoxed by how all of us are floundering in the death do us part department. I used to envy my married friends and lately not so at all. Neither being single nor married seems all it's cracked up to be.

This article echoed much of what we came up last night with on why monogamy & women's sex drives result in not much nooky. I think perhaps human idealism is to blame (along with jealousy and possesiveness) in setting ourselves up for failure in sustaining sex in long-term heterosexual partnerships. Yet, trying to sustaing open-relationships is fraught with it's own perils (stds, jealous rage, loneliness, economic/social risk & 2nd class citizenship for women are some). Basically, seems we're screwed in both arenas.

Can't wait to pass this on to the many folks I know unable to get it on after they say "I do".

Pondering the Human Predicament in Seattle ~
Betka

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Suggestion for another study
Posted by: Logic's Edge on Aug 26, 2006 10:15 AM   
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Has anyone tried looking into the female sex drive in households where she's provided with maids, nannies, servants and inexhaustible credit cards?

You know, I bet they'd find exactly the same thing.

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» RE: Suggestion for another study Posted by: BlueStateBitch
Where have all the horndogs gone?
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