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Firing Squad Looms for the Dem Party Oligarchy
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Answer: Do I think they're important? Yes. Do I think the [bloggers] and Al Sharpton alone are the future of the Democratic Party? No! Welcome in, contribute, but it's about winning in November and moving the country forward, not about a firing squad in a circle. -- Q&A with U.S. representative Rahm Emmanuel, Aug. 28 issue of New York magazine
I badly want to move on to another topic in this column space -- there is very little in the world that is less interesting than the Democratic Leadership Council and their ilk -- but this stuff is fast becoming just too unbelievable to ignore.
What exactly does self-appointed congressional mega-celebrity and Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chair Rahm Emmanuel mean (says a friend of mine in congress of him: "He's an amoral, showboating cock") when he says, "Do I think [bloggers] and Al Sharpton are the future of the Democratic Party?"
That's actually not hard to figure out; it's political hack-ese for the human sentence bloggers = Al Sharpton. As for what he means by that: just think about the thought process that had to go into Emmanuel's adding of the phrase "and Al Sharpton," when Al Sharpton wasn't even part of the question. Ask yourself if you really believe Emmanuel isn't aware that he's addressing the mostly white, Upper West Side readers of New York magazine when he "offhandedly" ties bloggers to the legendary gold medallion-wearing icon from forty blocks north in Harlem.
These DLC types are amazing, they really are. Their pathology is unique; they all secretly worship the guilt-by-association tactics of Lee Atwater and Karl Rove, but unlike those two, not one of them has enough balls to take being thought of as the bad guy by the general public. So instead of telling big, bold whoppers right out in the open, they're forever coming out with backhanded little asides like this one, apparently in the hope that only your subconscious will notice. I won't be surprised if they respond to the next electoral loss by a DLC candidate by having Bruce Reed argue in the Wall Street Journal that "bloggers, Queer Eye, and Arabs with syphilis are not the future of the Democratic Party."
Then there is the phrase, "Welcome in, contribute, but..."
Welcome in? What is this, a political party, or a house in the fucking Hamptons? Who died and made these people gatekeepers to anything?
What Emmanuel appears to be saying here is that "bloggers" -- by which he really means "people who voted against Lieberman" -- are welcome to "contribute," but not welcome to actually decide elections. In other words, we'll take your votes, but we'll decide who you vote for. An admirable sentiment for an elected official. How is it that these people have avoided being pitchforked to death for this long?
Finally, the "firing squad in a circle" line has been a DLC favorite for years. DLC chief Al From has been pimping it at least since the last presidential race. It's time we officially retired this line, which is really just a sorry take on the lame old high-school guidance-counselor saw: "Now, Jimmy. When you shoot spitballs at Vice Principal Anderson, you're really shooting spitballs at yourself." And little Jimmy thinks: No, actually, I was shooting spitballs at Vice Principal Anderson...
What's amazing about the "firing squad in a circle" line is that it is inevitably used less than five seconds after the DLC speaker has just finished dumping on Michael Moore, peace activists, or whoever the party's talking-points-vermin of the day is (In this case, Sharpton and bloggers). He denounces Michael Moore as a disgrace to the party, then turns around and says that when we attack the party leadership, we're only hurting ourselves. These tactics are so transparent and condescending that one longs for some kind of cosmic referee to just drop down from the heavens and unilaterally disqualify their users on the grounds of their overwhelming general wrongness -- but the maddening thing about these DLC creatures is that that referee never arrives, and Al From is back on page one again the next day, shaking his head and grumbling piously about "unity" and "consensus" and "the lost art of bipartisanship."
The unspoken subtext of this increasingly bitter debate between the Democratic Party establishment and the supporters of people like Ned Lamont and Hillary Clinton's antiwar challenger, Jonathan Tasini, is a referendum ordinary people have unexpectedly decided to hold on the kingmaker's role of the holy trinity of the American political establishment - big business, the major political parties, and the commercial media. The irony is that it's the political establishment itself that has involuntarily raised the consciousness of its disenfranchised voters.
The surge in support for Lamont initially came from people motivated by two simple things -- a desire to protest the war in Iraq, and physical revulsion before the wrinkled, vengeful persona of Joe Lieberman. But the party, in fighting back, attacked not on the issues but on the means of protest -- blogs, grassroots activism, Lamont's independent wealth. In doing so it threw into relief the essential parameters of the problem, which is this; the Democratic Party has been operating for two decades without the active participation of its voters.
It raised money by appealing directly to companies in private fundraisers, and it used the commercial media to enforce its policy positions, in particular its desire to "clearly reject our antiwar wing," as Al From put it a few years back. It's a simple formula for running one-half of American politics; you decide on John Kerry two years before the presidential vote, raise him $200 million bucks, and let CNN and the New York Times take care of any Howard Deans who might happen to pop up in the meantime. The same greased track is being prepared for Hillary Clinton right now, and we can be quite sure that guns are already being aimed at Russell Feingold.
It's been an essentially oligarchic system of government, where all the important decision-makers have been institutions, with any attempts by ordinary people to circumvent the system coldly repressed. Remember 2000, when Ralph Nader was not only not allowed to debate with Al Gore and George Bush, but wasn't allowed in the building -- not even allowed in a second, adjoining hall in the building, not even when he had a ticket? Well, we have a replay of that proud moment in hour history going on now, with Hillary's Senate primary opponent Tasini being shut out of debates by New York's NY1 TV channel (owned by TimeWarner) which is insisting that qualified candidates not only reach five percent support in the polls (Tasini is at 13 percent and rising) but raise or spend $500,000. Said NY1 Vice President Steve Paulus: "All Tasini would need is for each [New York state registered voter] to send him a dollar. Right now, with the money he's raised, he does not represent the party he claims to represent."
So a war chest is now the standard for representation? In order to get on television, you need a dollar from every voter? (Are we electing a Senator or holding a Girl Scout raffle? What the fuck?) And this is decided by... an executive for a corporate television station? One that recently sent a reporter [Adam Balkin] to Japan to do features on high-tech toilets? In other words, NY1 will pay to put an exotic Japanese toilet on a few million or so New York television screens -- but insists on seeing a half-million dollar deposit before it will put a Democratic candidate with 13 percent support in a televised debate? Am I missing something?
This schism within the Democratic Party is the most interesting thing to happen in American politics in decades, because due to a system error, people have temporarily been allowed back into what had been a totally closed process. They're working round the clock to fix the loophole, though, because the Emmanuels of the world know what's coming if they don't. The firing squad. And this time it won't be in a circle.
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Posted by: arubyan on Aug 23, 2006 5:14 PM
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I did note, however, that the one passage in his screed that you left out was this:"...it's about winning in November and moving the country forward..."
I agree 100% with that.
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Posted by: rsaxto on Aug 24, 2006 3:54 AM
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Posted by: hbw on Aug 24, 2006 8:09 AM
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How can these so called Democratic "leaders" talk about the importance of winning when they run their campaigns so badly, almost as if they want to lose?
Billy Jeff Clinton, a primo campaigner, won in 1992 only because of the Giant Sucking Sound, when H. Ross Perot siphoned votes away from the incumbent in enough states to tip the game. The DLC was lucky that time, and in 1996 when the dot-com economy was in overdrive. But in the next two runs, Gore and Kerry were not allowed to talk like real Democrats, the Republicans tinkered with the voting apparatus, and you know the rest.
To those who would protest that Ralph Nader tipped Florida in 2000, there's a host of arguments against that. Plus, the primary reason Nader entered the race in the first place was Gore's complicity with the DLC hijackers over the years. After that performance, in the view of Nader and the Greens, Gore needed to earn his victory.
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Aug 24, 2006 8:24 AM
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One way around this cunning Catch 22 is for voters to make their campaign contributions directly to their preferred candidate, and cut out the middlemen. Who gave these assholes the power to limit our voting rights?
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» Vote for challengers of the status quo.
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Posted by: John Rice on Aug 24, 2006 8:55 AM
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Both Dems and Reps are bought and controlled by the same interests--all of which are counter-productive to the interests of the vast majority of US citizens--the voting Dems and Reps and those who consider themselves Neither, or have given up on our system and do not participate at all. Our present disastrous world “situation” is nothing if not bipartisan, as is the loss of our rights and freedoms. Don't think so? Just look at the votes.
I urge you to consider www.neitherparty.org for a real change of governance and the opportunity to clean house of all those who have defrauded/destroyed our nation for decades, no matter their party affiliations.
Insanity has been defined as doing the same things over and over while expecting different results. It is time to prove what we are to the rest of the world--that we are insane or that we are not. Only the NP movement offers relief from this ongoing (and getting worse daily) insanity.
I urge any who care about the future of our once-thought-of-great-nation (not to mention the future of the world) to get in the game and help to make the world a better place by doing as Gandhi suggested: "we must be the change we wish to see in the world." (He also observed that: "Non-cooperation with evil is as much a duty as is cooperation with good.")
And one last Gandhi quote: “Liberty and democracy become unholy when their hands are dyed red with innocent blood.”
I ask you--aren’t all of our hands dyed red enough already?
Regards,,,John
( john_rice@neitherparty.org )
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Posted by: larry278 on Aug 24, 2006 5:29 PM
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A blood purge of the power elite establishment is overdue.
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Posted by: talkville on Aug 26, 2006 12:25 AM
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Posted by: Urstrly on Aug 26, 2006 4:57 AM
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Aug 26, 2006 5:47 AM
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I'm not advocating that we vote Republican. I'm saying that we should give both parties the opportunity to win our votes. Each of us can tell both parties what issue we want in their platforms and then only vote for a party that supports us. If the Republicans don't want your vote don't give it to them. If the Democrats don't want your vote don't give it to them either.
How many times have you heard the idea that we should have a "none of the above" choice. The Lincoln Initiative provides this choice. If neither party represents you, use your vote to tell them so. Write in a protest vote for "Honest Abe". But first you have to tell both parties what you want
We all know that the corporate establishment controls both parties with campaign contributions, and lobbies. We all know that neither party will willingly change this system. We all know that a third party would be a good thing. We all know that for one reason or another most people won't vote for a third party. We all know that voting in the goodcop/badcop game is an alltime loser.
It's time to try a new strategy. One that's never been tried but that's based on the often successful tactics of the labor unions. That is tell them what you want and tell them what you'll do if they don't give it to you. Give them a clear choice and let them make the decision. We have to have the guts to stand up to both parties.
Bob Reichenbach
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.
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Posted by: vangogh69 on Aug 26, 2006 7:50 AM
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FUCK THE DEMOCRATS! These bastards vote against anything progressive, vote for war and war profiteering, and can't even get the minimum wage raised at a national level! Hillary Clinton, that dog, is a representative of the East Coast oligarchy and couldn't even bring it upon herself during the 2004 Republican Convention to say "well, 50% of New Yorkers think 9/11 was an inside job." She's scum.
We need to jettison both parties and start over. This is a revolutionary sentiment, one which speaks to what this country was founded on and what Americans do best when things aren't working: change the fucking paradigm. Get up, off your ass, get educated, and let both parties know that we see their shit and are doing something else now.
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Posted by: CajunCountry on Aug 26, 2006 8:25 AM
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" It [Democratic Party] isn’t an opposition party. I have been saying for the last thousand years that the United States has only one party—the property party. It’s the party of big corporations, the party of money. It has two right wings; one is Democrat and the other is Republican. - Gore Vidal
“Our form of democracy is bribery, on the highest scale.” - Gore Vidal
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» George Washington would be a criminal today...
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» GW and GV knew the score.
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Posted by: jennherne on Aug 26, 2006 9:40 AM
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Aug 26, 2006 4:21 PM
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What this country needs is not one party or the other making the same mistakes and collecting the same largesse in Washington; what this country needs is a change in ATTITUDE.
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Posted by: bobjbax on Aug 26, 2006 4:59 PM
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Posted by: Age of Reason on Aug 26, 2006 7:26 PM
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It is worse than disgusting that Hillary Clinton with her multi-megabucks warchest knows that her re-election has already been bought and paid for. It's worse because the party machinery will punish anyone who steps out of line.
WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?
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Posted by: vkobaya on Aug 27, 2006 11:51 AM
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Sounds very familiar, something that maybe, Bush said, "You're either with us or against us."
The DLC are nothing more than mirrors of the Republicans, like the same oppressive tactics, take our money and then ignore us ... even to the point of telling us to shut the f... up. Pelosi has told us not to bother her, she is too busy kissing the asses of her corporate masters.
Victory in 2006? Ha! Victory only for the other wing of the Demopublican Party. Not one Democratic leader has spoken up in support of impeachment despite the fact that almost all grassroots Democrats are clammering for impeachment. Victory in 2006, will not be a magic wand that instantaneously converts these arrogant assos into supporting impeachment. If they win, first thing they will do is send a delegation to the White House to negotiate terms, but essentially to reassure Bush that he won't be impeached.
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» the bill is there and waiting (at least for investigation into impeachment charges)
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» Impeachment imperative,
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Posted by: Snott on Aug 27, 2006 6:01 PM
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I've finally quit the duopoly and I am working with the Green Party, campaigning for our candidates and issues based upon those things we really value. You all could do the same. If people stopped believing the "scare you into voting Democrat" whining, we'd be a powerful force.
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Posted by: rfunk on Aug 27, 2006 8:54 PM
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A Progressive Patriot for Peace Movement is building around him.
Come on people. Rally 'round a true leader.
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Posted by: agitcam on Aug 28, 2006 11:32 AM
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Back in 1992 I was with Sen. Eugene McCarthy in New Hampshire when he made his last presidential race. I saw first hand how the Democratic party leadership shunned him and kept him from being heard. The DLC was just coming into their own back then with Bill Clinton as their frontman and I saw what they were about.
It is too bad that it has taken so long for the DLC to be exposed.
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Posted by: texshelters on Aug 28, 2006 3:26 PM
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If y'all start leaving the Democratic party or stop votin' for the Lieberman wing of the party, who else can the ruling elite call the "loyal opposition"? I can't he'p but think some of y'all think democracy is more important than security and you would rather vote in an election for a real choice then Republican light (Dems). The two party system is workin', stop whinin' you liberals terr'rist supporters!!
Vote Jeb Bush 2008!
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Posted by: Polenium on Aug 28, 2006 9:16 PM
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The point you make that they are too cowardly to do more than envy the GOP mafioso is right on.
They are far too cowardly to stand up to the spooks and thieves that have become the GOP. They won't even challenge a changeling like Lieberman.
They have plenty time and energy to pull the rug out from under popular Democratic candidates who challenge over-ripe incumbents but none to fight hard enough and smart enough to win elections.
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Posted by: arubyan on Aug 23, 2006 5:14 PM
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I did note, however, that the one passage in his screed that you left out was this:"...it's about winning in November and moving the country forward..."
I agree 100% with that.
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Posted by: bachelortimes on Aug 23, 2006 5:32 PM
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Posted by: rsaxto on Aug 24, 2006 3:54 AM
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Posted by: hbw on Aug 24, 2006 8:09 AM
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How can these so called Democratic "leaders" talk about the importance of winning when they run their campaigns so badly, almost as if they want to lose?
Billy Jeff Clinton, a primo campaigner, won in 1992 only because of the Giant Sucking Sound, when H. Ross Perot siphoned votes away from the incumbent in enough states to tip the game. The DLC was lucky that time, and in 1996 when the dot-com economy was in overdrive. But in the next two runs, Gore and Kerry were not allowed to talk like real Democrats, the Republicans tinkered with the voting apparatus, and you know the rest.
To those who would protest that Ralph Nader tipped Florida in 2000, there's a host of arguments against that. Plus, the primary reason Nader entered the race in the first place was Gore's complicity with the DLC hijackers over the years. After that performance, in the view of Nader and the Greens, Gore needed to earn his victory.
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» RE: Progressive Dems need to stop whining and bolt en masse
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» first things first
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Aug 24, 2006 8:24 AM
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One way around this cunning Catch 22 is for voters to make their campaign contributions directly to their preferred candidate, and cut out the middlemen. Who gave these assholes the power to limit our voting rights?
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» RE: Democratic Party Oligarchy
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» Vote for challengers of the status quo.
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» RE: Vote for challengers of the status quo.
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» RE: Democratic Party Oligarchy
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Posted by: John Rice on Aug 24, 2006 8:55 AM
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Both Dems and Reps are bought and controlled by the same interests--all of which are counter-productive to the interests of the vast majority of US citizens--the voting Dems and Reps and those who consider themselves Neither, or have given up on our system and do not participate at all. Our present disastrous world “situation” is nothing if not bipartisan, as is the loss of our rights and freedoms. Don't think so? Just look at the votes.
I urge you to consider www.neitherparty.org for a real change of governance and the opportunity to clean house of all those who have defrauded/destroyed our nation for decades, no matter their party affiliations.
Insanity has been defined as doing the same things over and over while expecting different results. It is time to prove what we are to the rest of the world--that we are insane or that we are not. Only the NP movement offers relief from this ongoing (and getting worse daily) insanity.
I urge any who care about the future of our once-thought-of-great-nation (not to mention the future of the world) to get in the game and help to make the world a better place by doing as Gandhi suggested: "we must be the change we wish to see in the world." (He also observed that: "Non-cooperation with evil is as much a duty as is cooperation with good.")
And one last Gandhi quote: “Liberty and democracy become unholy when their hands are dyed red with innocent blood.”
I ask you--aren’t all of our hands dyed red enough already?
Regards,,,John
( john_rice@neitherparty.org )
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» RE: Matt Taibbi has it almost right,,,
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» RE: We need to hold the Dems accountable as well as the Repubs.
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» RE: Matt Taibbi has it almost right,,,
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» You can say that again
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» RE: Matt Taibbi has it almost right,,,
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» RE: Matt Taibbi has it almost right,,,
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» RE: Matt Taibbi has it almost right,,,
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» RE: Matt Taibbi has it almost right,,,
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Posted by: larry278 on Aug 24, 2006 5:29 PM
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A blood purge of the power elite establishment is overdue.
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» RE: Up the wall, motherf@#kers
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» RE: Up the wall, motherf@#kers
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» RE: Up the wall, motherf@#kers
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» RE: Up the wall, motherf@#kers
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» Online threats you say???? Your IP address has just been recorded by NSA/FBI
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» RE: Online threats you say???? Your IP address has just been recorded by NSA/FBI
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Posted by: talkville on Aug 26, 2006 12:25 AM
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» RE: Move 'em out!
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Posted by: Urstrly on Aug 26, 2006 4:57 AM
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» RE: They'd be surprised
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Aug 26, 2006 5:47 AM
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I'm not advocating that we vote Republican. I'm saying that we should give both parties the opportunity to win our votes. Each of us can tell both parties what issue we want in their platforms and then only vote for a party that supports us. If the Republicans don't want your vote don't give it to them. If the Democrats don't want your vote don't give it to them either.
How many times have you heard the idea that we should have a "none of the above" choice. The Lincoln Initiative provides this choice. If neither party represents you, use your vote to tell them so. Write in a protest vote for "Honest Abe". But first you have to tell both parties what you want
We all know that the corporate establishment controls both parties with campaign contributions, and lobbies. We all know that neither party will willingly change this system. We all know that a third party would be a good thing. We all know that for one reason or another most people won't vote for a third party. We all know that voting in the goodcop/badcop game is an alltime loser.
It's time to try a new strategy. One that's never been tried but that's based on the often successful tactics of the labor unions. That is tell them what you want and tell them what you'll do if they don't give it to you. Give them a clear choice and let them make the decision. We have to have the guts to stand up to both parties.
Bob Reichenbach
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.
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» RE: Time for a new strategy
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» RE: Time for a new strategy
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» IT'S TIME FOR A NEW PARTY
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Posted by: vangogh69 on Aug 26, 2006 7:50 AM
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FUCK THE DEMOCRATS! These bastards vote against anything progressive, vote for war and war profiteering, and can't even get the minimum wage raised at a national level! Hillary Clinton, that dog, is a representative of the East Coast oligarchy and couldn't even bring it upon herself during the 2004 Republican Convention to say "well, 50% of New Yorkers think 9/11 was an inside job." She's scum.
We need to jettison both parties and start over. This is a revolutionary sentiment, one which speaks to what this country was founded on and what Americans do best when things aren't working: change the fucking paradigm. Get up, off your ass, get educated, and let both parties know that we see their shit and are doing something else now.
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» The Republicrats had their run
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» RE: The Dems, eh hem
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» RE: The Dems, eh hem
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» RE: The Dems, eh hem
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Posted by: CajunCountry on Aug 26, 2006 8:25 AM
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" It [Democratic Party] isn’t an opposition party. I have been saying for the last thousand years that the United States has only one party—the property party. It’s the party of big corporations, the party of money. It has two right wings; one is Democrat and the other is Republican. - Gore Vidal
“Our form of democracy is bribery, on the highest scale.” - Gore Vidal
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» George Washington would be a criminal today...
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» GW and GV knew the score.
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Posted by: jennherne on Aug 26, 2006 9:40 AM
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Aug 26, 2006 4:21 PM
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What this country needs is not one party or the other making the same mistakes and collecting the same largesse in Washington; what this country needs is a change in ATTITUDE.
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» what makes it any different
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Posted by: bobjbax on Aug 26, 2006 4:59 PM
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Posted by: Age of Reason on Aug 26, 2006 7:26 PM
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It is worse than disgusting that Hillary Clinton with her multi-megabucks warchest knows that her re-election has already been bought and paid for. It's worse because the party machinery will punish anyone who steps out of line.
WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?
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» RE: Demopublicans or Republicrats, pick one and lose-lose.
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» RE: Demopublicans or Republicrats, pick one and lose-lose.
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Posted by: mcartri on Aug 26, 2006 8:48 PM
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Posted by: op301 on Aug 27, 2006 6:06 AM
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Posted by: vkobaya on Aug 27, 2006 11:51 AM
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Sounds very familiar, something that maybe, Bush said, "You're either with us or against us."
The DLC are nothing more than mirrors of the Republicans, like the same oppressive tactics, take our money and then ignore us ... even to the point of telling us to shut the f... up. Pelosi has told us not to bother her, she is too busy kissing the asses of her corporate masters.
Victory in 2006? Ha! Victory only for the other wing of the Demopublican Party. Not one Democratic leader has spoken up in support of impeachment despite the fact that almost all grassroots Democrats are clammering for impeachment. Victory in 2006, will not be a magic wand that instantaneously converts these arrogant assos into supporting impeachment. If they win, first thing they will do is send a delegation to the White House to negotiate terms, but essentially to reassure Bush that he won't be impeached.
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» the bill is there and waiting (at least for investigation into impeachment charges)
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» Impeachment imperative,
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Posted by: Snott on Aug 27, 2006 6:01 PM
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I've finally quit the duopoly and I am working with the Green Party, campaigning for our candidates and issues based upon those things we really value. You all could do the same. If people stopped believing the "scare you into voting Democrat" whining, we'd be a powerful force.
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Posted by: rfunk on Aug 27, 2006 8:54 PM
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A Progressive Patriot for Peace Movement is building around him.
Come on people. Rally 'round a true leader.
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Posted by: agitcam on Aug 28, 2006 11:32 AM
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Back in 1992 I was with Sen. Eugene McCarthy in New Hampshire when he made his last presidential race. I saw first hand how the Democratic party leadership shunned him and kept him from being heard. The DLC was just coming into their own back then with Bill Clinton as their frontman and I saw what they were about.
It is too bad that it has taken so long for the DLC to be exposed.
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» RE: It may be too late
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Posted by: texshelters on Aug 28, 2006 3:26 PM
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If y'all start leaving the Democratic party or stop votin' for the Lieberman wing of the party, who else can the ruling elite call the "loyal opposition"? I can't he'p but think some of y'all think democracy is more important than security and you would rather vote in an election for a real choice then Republican light (Dems). The two party system is workin', stop whinin' you liberals terr'rist supporters!!
Vote Jeb Bush 2008!
Yours,
Tex Shelters
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» COME ON, NOBOODY'S THAT STUPID !
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Posted by: Polenium on Aug 28, 2006 9:16 PM
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The point you make that they are too cowardly to do more than envy the GOP mafioso is right on.
They are far too cowardly to stand up to the spooks and thieves that have become the GOP. They won't even challenge a changeling like Lieberman.
They have plenty time and energy to pull the rug out from under popular Democratic candidates who challenge over-ripe incumbents but none to fight hard enough and smart enough to win elections.
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Posted by: LDavistrueblue on Aug 29, 2006 12:17 PM
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