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A Mother Adopts, and Discovers Her Own Racism
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The first photo I received of Vaishali showed her with fair skin. I was surprised, because from what my adoption agency told me, the child assigned to me would be much darker. After I got over that surprise, I had another: I felt relief. Suddenly -- guiltily -- it was a comfort to know that she would not look so different from me, and even more important, that her light skin would save her from a lifetime of prejudice.
But ah, the magic of flashbulbs. A few months later I received several more photos and gaped at them in shock. The baby was much, much darker. Worried that the child to whom I had grown unbelievably attached had been given to some other family, I sent a bewildered email to my adoption agency in Maine which then made a bewildered phone call to their trusted social worker in India, who assured us that she had seen the child on many occasions and all the photos were of the same girl. Phew, I thought, as long as this little girl is the same one I have held in my heart for three months, she is my daughter and I am going to bring her home.
I flew to Bombay and became a mother. For the first week, my new daughter Vaishali clung to me, terrified, and I sacrificed eating, sleeping and bathing in the service of comforting her. Over and over, I told her: Mama is here. You are my baby.
Back home, after a couple weeks had passed, I stared at Vaishali's naked bottom -- her darkest part -- and tried to ignore the insistent whispers of fear. Instead of brimming with pride, I felt like a trespasser, performing ablutions on this private flesh with color so foreign from my own. It was one thing to swoon over her photographs for months, but now she was in my home; she was my family. How could this be my daughter? I looked at her and tried to find similarities between us, relieved that her hair was straight, her lips not too full. Just thinking these thoughts made me feel horribly ashamed. I tried to sort emotion from fact: was it the dark color of her skin that was making me uncomfortable, or just that she did not look like me? I ached to talk to someone about it, but I was too afraid people would disapprove, would doubt my ability to be a loving mother.
Worse, what if (since I had only been awarded guardianship and the adoption would not be final for another six months) some Indian official found out how I was feeling and took her back?
Finally, I got up the nerve to confide in a friend who has two biological children, both white, as well as an adopted Indian toddler with skin the same shade as Vaishali's. "After a while," she said, "you don't really see what your children look like. But every so often it's like returning to your home after a long vacation, and you can see it again for the very first time." Surprisingly, she confessed that one day she'd realized how dark her adopted daughter is and started comparing her to others: Is she lighter than that Black man mowing his lawn? Darker than that Indian woman at the mall? Once she'd said it aloud, I admitted that I had done the same thing, and it had shocked me. I adored this little girl, and every single day my heart pounded stronger with love. What was I so worried about?
I thought hard. What had I done, taking this helpless child from her native land halfway across the world? I chose to adopt from India because I felt a familial pull toward its people and its culture (there is actually a community of Indian Jews!), and because I learned that the babies were usually healthy and birthed by poor, unwed village girls who were not prone to ingesting any unhealthy substances. I wanted to give an infant girl all the human rights she deserved and every possible opportunity to find gladness at being alive. I wanted to make a family with a child who had none; I wanted her to feel wanted. But had I simply upset the balance of the world?
Very soon, my daughter will have a lot to process. She's adopted, she's the child of a single mother, she's an Indian Jew by conversion. We spent the summer with my father in upstate New York, and she was nearly always the darkest child in music class, gymnastics and day care. In New York City, even Blacks and Indians in Vaishali's and my social circle are lighter than she. Over and over I see how light skin equals privilege. Now that I have become Vaishali's mother, I realize: We need darker friends.
I can't help but worry -- I'm a Jewish mother! -- and yet so far, our non-traditional family has been met with a surfeit of loving acceptance. My fears about disapproval from the Black community for adopting a dark-skin child seem laughable now. Before, riding the subway, I received no special response, but now, Black men and women offer me and Vaishali warm smiles; they give up their seats. Do people just, as a friend hypothesized, love babies? Maybe, but this never happened to me when I toted around my equally adorable niece, nephew and godson, all of them white as snow.
It might just be Vaishali's vibe. Certainly her tiny size, enormous charm and extroverted nature would draw in anyone with a beating heart. As her mother, I am constantly on my knees before her, big-eyed with happiness at her intelligence, dead-on comic timing and fearlessness. She is so curious and ecstatic, so engaged with the world in ways I never was as a child, and rarely can be as an adult. Still, I wonder if her same spirit were encased in a lighter shell -- who would her admirers be? In the six months we have been together, my fears for my daughter have not disappeared, but I'm betting that in the battles ahead, my own good sense will prevail. Note the matter of sunscreen: two specialists, one in infectious pediatric diseases and himself half Black, the other a famous, white dermatologist, both assured me that Vaishali's dark pigment is enough of a natural sunscreen.
Vaishali's current pediatrician, a mocha-brown Indian, counter-advised me to put it on her. In the park, I approached the Black parents of a toddler the same color as Vaishali, and apologetically asked them for counsel.
"We put it on our baby and ourselves," said the mother. "Black people wear sunscreen to prevent skin cancer. We worry about our baby's skin the same as any one else." And more, I wanted to add, but I just thanked her. It became suddenly, ridiculously simple. I am my baby's protector, and I'm not taking any chances. I whipped out the SPF 45.
Reprinted with permission from ColorLines magazine.
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Posted by: aleef on Aug 21, 2006 12:54 AM
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Finally, I found it odd that Ms Lerner's infant daughter has a faith. Babies cannot be capitalists, marxists or Democrats, and neither can they be Hindus, Muslims or Jews. Ms Lerner should let her daughter find her own beliefs as all children should be able to.
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Posted by: Colin on Aug 21, 2006 1:24 AM
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The fact that you have realised you have a slight 'problem', as it were, and then worked through it rationally and with the help of others, to my mind, makes you something of a role model. If only other people were so forthcoming about realising and dealing with their own uncomfortable secrets.
I'm no astrologer but if I were to make my predictions for the future I would say that the question of skin colour will become less and less relevant by the day until eventually you will not give a stuff. (And you will love the little one throughout.)
The important thing is that whilst you were in that in-between stage, you shared your input with others allowing them to see what you are learning. That's a big thing! Generally we are left to see nothing but the 'final product' as people work through their issues privately.
No-one is born perfect, we all have to work for it. The fact that you are writing down and submitting that learning process for the scrutiny of others should not be reprimanded. Hats off!
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Posted by: rbohan on Aug 21, 2006 4:10 AM
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Give it a rest, guys.
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Posted by: maiaoming on Aug 21, 2006 5:48 AM
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The fact that this author dared to bare herself as she has to a liberal audience - who are indeed tremendously self-righteous - is wonderful and deserving.
As a mother of a ten-month-old, I've noticed that so much of our family's talk about our child has to do with what she looks like - who she resembles more, what traits she's inherited, how her face is changing, will her hair straighten, etc. With an adopted child, whatever the similarity to the parents, the ability to indulge in that "she looks like me!" thrill is gone. The love that binds an adopted child to a parent must therefore be generated from the bonding relationship, not the genetic one.
Good luck with your beautiful daughter!!!
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Posted by: Sojourner on Aug 21, 2006 6:44 AM
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Nothing is more stupid than judging someone for something over which they have no control. We think, say, and do lots of stupid things--being human and all--such as assuming that you can tell anything just by looking.
I was complimented by an older woman once for the brogans I was wearing. "My husband always said, you can trust a man who wears shoes like that." I couldn't contradict her, because that's one reason I was wearning them. But what a pile of horsepucky fashions are, yet "being fashionable" is intended as a compliment.
"Until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes, we shall not know peace." -- Haile Selassie.
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Posted by: Ouelle on Aug 21, 2006 7:03 AM
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Apparently the feeling wasn't very deep. This dumb-!#$ thinks she feels a "pull" because she admires bindis. Get a life.
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Posted by: VannaLaRoche on Aug 21, 2006 7:08 AM
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The only honest thing for me to say is that I'm a racist, an ageist, a religionist, a sexist toward my own and the opposite sex, a demographicist (in my area it's all about what high school you went to), a somaticist (skinny or tubby? flabby or faux muscles? Real tits or not?), and also a hair-colorist and a fashionist. I'm a linguistic bigot: if you aren't well-spoken I'll deem you stupid. I'm also a vehiculist: I love that joke about cactuses and Porsches. I could be called a cell-phone bigot, too. I'm likely to think you're a downright murderous criminal type if I see your fat arm slabbed against the driver's-side window, propping up your latest banal conversation.
Bigotry is so easy, so natural!
No one ever gets any traction claiming they're free from prejudice and bigotry. That's why I support a nation of laws: human judgment and human character is flawed and always will be.
There will always be some hypocrites--and plenty of self-identified liberals among them--claiming a higher moral ground, implying that they themselves are completely clean-souled. Anyone who criticizes the author falls into this category. The soft bigotry of having only the "highest standards."
I would recommend the author meet more white American mothers of African-American children. They know better than anyone else how Americans treat them and their children, and how to counter and protect themselves and their children.
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Posted by: chaoslegs on Aug 21, 2006 7:14 AM
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The North American Council on Adoptable Children has recently written a comparsion of family preperation regarding multicultural adoption between rules to comply with Hague Convention (international convention) by the State Department and the lack of any guidance by the Department of Health and Human Services regarding the Interethnic Adoption Provisions and Multi-ethnic Placement Act. Once Hague is fully implemented, the family prep may be such that the author would have been better prepared to handle the thoughts she has.
Finally, the article was very parent-centric orientated. Her daughter will grow up and have needs, including those related to searching and claiming her identity. This journey will likely include understanding and hopefully accepting the culture of her birth. The resources above by NYSCCC are great for examining many sides of this issue, including many from the adoptees point of view.
For full disclosure my sister was adopted as an infant from South Korea, is now 30, and I have heard her stories, including struggles she has faced with racism that my parents (white) could never hope to properly prepare her for.
If you have questions for me directly off the comments page, you can e-mail me at chaoslegs@gmail.com.
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Welcome to the world of "conspicuous families!" Those of us in families with transracial adoptions, or interracial marriages, or same sex couples will probably always get funny looks (and worse) from some people, but please don't forget that your family is just as legitimate as anyone else's.
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Aug 21, 2006 7:58 AM
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Babies have gone blind from it! NEVER use a waterproof one...it can get it her eyes and you can't wash it out!
I learned this the hard way...and ended up in a hospital!
You need to ask a good skin doctor about this.
I would use a MUCH less strong one...very expensive... use a 15 or less ..if at all....and keep it away from her eyes. Keep her out of the days strongest sun, and have her wear a sunhat.
In Hawaii, where I and my children are from...children are all colors, even within the same family. I would suggest a vacation there, and when you come home, find other single mothers by you who have adopted Indian children.
As she grows older, she will have a lot of questions about her birth country, and it would be helpful for her and you to have friends with the same experiences and concerns.
What about her birth mother? This is going to be a concern of hers when she becomes a teenager. Any contact or information you get now, would be a help to her later.
And remember, as the Velveteen Rabbit says...love makes you real.
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Posted by: caru on Aug 21, 2006 8:08 AM
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but as we kill the planet and continue to hate each other ... we are the lost and the loosing ... by hating one of another color you hate yourself and loose yourself ... you loose your mother and loose your history, your love and your very life ... by being at odds with the reality of life on this planet ... we go missing from ourselves, others and creation.
i propose we go looking for each other and every little nuanced beauty and difference ... and we celebrate joyfully together and enjoy this beautiful life we are given. we can include all ... this is wisdom.
love to all, let all our wounds of exculsion be healed, now.
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Posted by: mmeetoilenoir on Aug 21, 2006 9:12 AM
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It's not liberal self-righteousness here, I think...it's Ouelle-righteousness. We none of us are flawless, and I'll be that you're not, either. So get off your high horse.
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Posted by: sirossisofliver on Aug 21, 2006 9:26 AM
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There are thousands of children here in the US who need to be adopted....and are part of the same culture as Ms. Lerner.
Moreover, if she's seems to have "guilt" over her child's religion, why didn't she contact one of the many Jewish adoption societies?
Sounds like it's more of a "fashion statement" to adopt a child of colour from the third world (Brad and Angelena, etc..) Bling Bling.
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Posted by: mobile68 on Aug 21, 2006 12:10 PM
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This author's confession of having race issues infuriated me because of how she prioritized the child's skin color above the child's health and emotional well being.
It seems like she picked the child based on how light she looked in the photos as if the author was shopping for a particular brown for a car.
She went into this adoption what seems like for selfish reasons. What was her motivation for doing this? She knows how her "peeps" (meaning the white race) are and what kind of society we live in.
It seems like she didn't bother to talk to other parents who are in similar situations, pschycologists, social workers, etc. BEFORE going thru with the adoption. Maybe she was ashamed of her thoughts. Which is more reason she should have sought out advice before proceeding with th adoption.
What she should be asking herself is:
1. Why does the color of one's skin matter?
2. How can I help my child deal with racism when presented to her?
3. Should we live in a community that reflects multicultural families? If not, how will I deal with people in a community that are not so accepting of my situation?
4. How do I answer the question why am I different from you mommy (and daddy?)?
5. How to balance how much of my culture to influence upon her without neglecting to mention any of her original culture? Will I be offended if she choose not be jewish? If I am offended, how would I work thru that?
6. Are there any genetic diseases or conditions that she may have that I should be concerned about?
I hope by her confessing to this, this will cleanse her soul and that she seek the help she so desperately need to raise a health happy girl before she gets too old.
Can somebody, anybody please explain to me what is with white people's obsession with the color of ones's skin?
Also, would someone please answer for me how is it that jewish people, who have been persecuted for their religious beliefs for thousands of years, can be so racist?
I can't tell the difference from a white atheist to a white christian to a white jew. That's why I can't understand how jews call anti-semitsm racism.
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Posted by: ezilla on Aug 21, 2006 12:17 PM
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It is courageous for her to face, and voice, her discomfort with the indian child she has adopted. I think the situation may sometimes be the same for parents of disabled or mentally handicapped children. Expressing discomfort, or societally induced shame in no way means the parent does not love their child, or is incapable of raising them well, but it does speak to the way people have been conditioned. I think getting it out there and recognizing prejudices is a huge step towards dealing with them. It seems to be a natural human attribute to feel uncomfortable about differences, and conversely, to feel more comfortable with those who most resemble us (physically or otherwise). We have to learn not to be afraid of anything different.
I have an adopted brother, who is white like me, and grew up with an adopted friend (black, by a white family), and have often been amazed by what a non-issue it is to me. At the same time, my friend has had a much harder time with the situation than my brother. Just one, personal story, but it allows me to sympathize with both sides of the story. It would be very interesting to hear from others who were adopted or have dealt with this situation.
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Posted by: Michelle on Aug 21, 2006 12:21 PM
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To balance this white-parent-centric focus, here are some resources in which people who have been adopted in these circumstances speak for themselves
Two sites about a new book from South End Press:
http://www.southendpress.org/2005/items/87646
http://www.outsiderswithin.com/about.htm
And, the Transracial Abductees Website: http://www.transracialabductees.org/
Instead of giving so much attention only to the inner struggles and subjectivities of the white parents, let's listen to what the other people involved in these situations have to say (because contrary to the delusions of whiteness, those other people are not objects for the white liberal imagination, they are real 100% human beings!)
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Posted by: karigar on Aug 21, 2006 12:26 PM
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The skin color fixation that most people in the West suffer from is "Color-ism" & not "Race-ism". Especially in the US, the emphasis is on climbing to the top of the "Color Pyramid" by "whitening" oneself. Race is a discredited 19th century pseudo-science which survives mostly thru words like "racism".
Remember, there was a time not long ago (even Early 20th century) when Italian-Americans were not considered White. They worked at it, & "Whitened" themselves. Then it was the turn of Irish-Americans, & Jewish Americans. Now the Newer immigrants are also in the same game/struggle of getting at least "honorary white" status. Sounds ridiculous to me, but it is true.
My comments on the writer's "dilemma" is- Look at the baby's land of origin, it will give you the right clues to handle this. As many others have written, it is not difficult to find in India, in the same family, people of varying shades of skin tone. Color of skin is still a factor, but no one in their right mind would pass important judgements (prejudices?) based on skin color alone. People grow up with far too much diversity in India to be that ignorant.
The more in touch your daughter is, from an early age, to the positive aspects of her own Indian heritage, the better off she will be. [Does not preclude her from being Jewish, like her mom, but can surely answer her question "momma, why am I not like the other Jewish children around me?"]
With the number of successful Indian Americans & Indian Cultural Organizations all around...this shouldn't be too difficult.
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Part of loving my sons is understanding the role race plays in our world and preparing them for it. Right now they are young and it's easy for them. I fear it will get more complicated as they get older.
I read a great book called Inside Transracial Adoption that really helped sort out these issues. It was sort of a guide book for helping your child be comfortable in both his family of adoption and his family of origin.
We made a commitment that our sons are a minority in our families but no where else in their lives. That means school, doctor, dentist, sports teams, activities, camps, he is part of the majority. We strive for diversity in friendships but it is harder across color lines. It takes a lot more effort, but we are trying.
My sister just adopted two African-American boys as well so there is more diversity in our family, which is wonderful that my boys now have cousins that share the same race. They are having a great time together and I hope will be a source of support to each other as they get older.
We recently went on vacation to the south and my husband and I got so tired of the stares, stares, stares. Not the curious and friendly stares we get here (I live in the Midwest) but mean, feel it in your back stares. My kids had no idea fortunately. But I need to find a more diverse and open place for vacation next year!
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My neice and nephew are biracial. My love for them forces me to confront my own racism and call it out for what it is: fear.
Would I put up with someone else thinking about them what I just thought about that black person on the subway?
My best wishes to your family.
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Since you've clearly recieved an avalanche of very critical unsolicited advice, I'll just share an experience I had recently with my two lovely dark skinned daughters adopted from Cambodia, that might lend a bit of perspective on the subject of dark skinned children.
We were sweltering in a long line for a roller coaster ride at Six Flags, when I noticed a beautiful but painfully overdressed Indian woman shoving her perhaps 10 year old daughter through the line, trying in vain to shield her from the sun with a ruffled umbrella. The child, also foolishly clothed in a frilly dress, was clearly humiliated as her mother tried to push in front of us, insisting that they needed to stand in the shade. I let them cut through, much to my own daughters' protests. How could I explain to them that many Asians are ashamed of their dark skin, and even try to bleach their skin with strange concoctions because skin color prejudices exist in Asia too?
You are so wise to honestly examine your feelings about your daughter's differences and deal with them as they arise, because someday she will need to honestly discuss them with you as well!
Good luck, and by the way, dark skinned kids are at risk for skin cancer too, and of course they do make SPF 50 sunscreen specifically for kids---any grocery store carries several brands!
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I am hard of hearing and was mainstreamed into the hearing world at a young age. So I am too "deaf" to be hearing and too "hearing" to be deaf, so to speak. Thus the fun begins.
I feel like the author is self-absorbed, out of touch and creepy, just like the celebrity moms who "buy" their children from other countries to bolster their own egos for being so "loving." I really believe that these mothers will be paid back for their "kindness" when these overprivileged kids reach their teens, but perhaps that's just wishful thinking.
In any case, racist politics and identity confusion will prevail.
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"We wanted a baby, but the adoption requirements for white babies was much more stringent than for darker skinned babies."
It also fails to come to terms with certain things that the baby will have to face growing up, "Why am I a different color than mommy and daddy?"
The child will not be welcomed into the black community, and will not be welcomed into the white community. What a terrible burden to place on a child! A child who will be an outsider in their own family.
Granted, this might be better for the child than for he/she to have been left in an orphanage's care, but it is still irresponsible parenting.
Another issue not addressed, why not adopt a darker skinned child here in America?
I think it all boils down to a selfish desire on the part of the adoptive parent, who doubtlessly fancy themselves as "color-blind".
I hope nobody misconstrues anything I've said here as racist, I've never once been accused or thought of being in any way racist. In fact, back in my twenties I had plans to adopt a girl baby from India "when I grew up" (something that, at 42, I'm still waiting to happen). The reason at that time was the awful situation women faced in that country, and my own admiration for the inherent beauty of the darker skinned races.
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The point is that the baby's skin tone matters to the author for VALID reasons. Simply because all interpersonal relationships here in the US of A are colored by our culturally inherited assumptions.
Still, for me (as a non-caucasian), it's hard not to be cynical about goodwill to the impoverished brown-skinned peoples of the world. Raped, pillaged, dominated for hundreds of years only to be handed a bible and and a banana or taken home to a new mama.
I hope the child grows up to learn Hindi or whatever dialect her native town speaks and can see the world as a whole. It's possible that we'll have 2 more enlightened people in the world.
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"You've got to be carefully taught...before you are six, or seven, or eight" from the famous Rogers and Hammerstein musical "South Pacific." We were all 'carefully' taught....
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As a warm-up, we're told this chick has a "diverse group of friends" (i.e. "I have black/gay/whatever friends so I'm not XXXXX," and so on) so then we should refrain from analyzing her comments and take them at face value. Okay. Go. For starters, why does she, a (white) single American woman feel the need to go to the other side of the world to adopt a child? Are there not qualified children in the US? Surely there must be some "healthy ones who don't take all those substances" [sic]. This is neo-liberal imperialism on a personalized scale. How convient that India had a child waiting for her (nevermind about the conditions of Indians in India cause they're only there to satisfy the desires for babies, chai tea, and telemarketing of westerners.) Secondly, the author openly admits a disgust for brown skin and (ethnic/non-european-like) hair. (Last I saw/heard, some jews have naps rockin harder or fros kissin the sun more than my own.) Then there's that comment where she can barely contain her glee that with the help of her "token brown baby," blacks on the train "smile and give up their seats on the train" (thank you very much Mrs. Parks, "see they still give up their seats"). Disgusting! She'll make a terrible parent, one who was so interested in having a new "kid" ("kid" because I'm sure it's just another accessory for her on "the Upper Eastside of New York" as she so smugly writes) that she didn't bother to research the particulars of her situation before involving herself in it.
The best thing, however, is how eager posters are here to defend her "courage" and "honesty" in writing such racist drivel. Typical, really, after all it's easier to dismiss or applaude a comment than consider its substance. Though I can't speak for all non-whites posting her, I might say that people of color reading this article aren't so easily awed by Miss America's altruism and sharing. Perhaps before she jets off to Dafur to "rescue" a child there she should (check at a FEMA camp to see if they've any "healthy babies" to donate to the "Upper Eastside", or) ask one of her African American sistas what that's gonna look like to her pals at the country club. I'm sure she'll get the answer she doesn't want. (And I look forward to the day when her daughter gets in her face about writing this terrible article and demands an explanation.)
"The only proud American is an ignorant American."
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What IS it with us white people and "discovering" what other people already know is there?
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The other point is that racism and classism are not just American values. In South America and many parts of the world the darker the skin pretty much equates to the poorer you are. Fair skin is a highly desirable trait in India. Slave (or indentured servant) classes are mostly made up of darker people. African women (at least some of the ones I know) often discuss how light so and so's child's complexion is in an envious way. The difference between other culture's racism and our racism is that we have a long history of gaining from the oppression of other races and continue to do so. We see racism as either something to be completely appalled at (liberal guilt) or something to completely embrace (kkk types), whereas other cultures simply see racism for what it is.
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It's been a long list of comments you must've read so I'll try to keep this simple.
One, congratulations on the new member of your family! I hope the child is a source of as much pleasure, pride and pain to you as all children are, to their happy parents.
Two, you need to educate yourself a lot, lot more. Being a parent means learning, teaching yourself stuff you haven't known before - and this is not just stuff on diaper-changing, but also about the big wide world. You've just shown in this article how completely mixed up you are about nationality, race and color - for that is what the 'issue at hand' is. These are three different issues. First, you don't 'need darker friends', you need Desi friends, people from India/Pakistan/Sri Lanka, etc. Them you need as role models for your daughter when she starts growing up and asking questions, as well as for you to find out whether to put sunscreen on her face. Second, your kid doesn't have hair that is kinky (!) or full, large lips because those are African features, not those of Asian Indians - exactly like many Mongloids are as fair as most Caucasians, but they have different features (smaller eyes, narrow frame, etc.). You need to know this for maybe medical reasons (e.g. to correctly diagnose her risk factors for skin cancer or even geographically occurring endemic diseases e.g. sickle-cell anaemia, tuberculosis, etc.), as well as for social reasons - your child is NOT African-American. Finally, as so many other posters say, you should seriously sit down and write 'Color does not matter' 500 times. Because if you think your little princess is a flower girl, then flower girl she will become.
And last, do read Amartya Sen's excellent Identity and Violence: The Illusion of Destiny - that should explain the concept of multiple identities. Rest assured your child is not going to be the only confused dealing-with-multiple-identities teenager around, esp in NY :-)
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I'll repeat what I said above: "Transracial Adoption is also somewhat like having gay children: It may not be what you expected and you often worry, and although on the surface this worry may initially be directed at the thing that is different (skin color, sexuality), it is not what your TRUE worries (Will he/she fit in?, Is it going to be harder for him/her to get through life because of his/her difference?, Is he/she going to be hurt emotionally, psychologically, physically because of what is different?) are directed. So surface worries may be "racist/homophobic" but deeper worries are really out of concern for what might to happen to your child and his/her safety and equality."
As for Cosmic Fluke: It is completely not irresponsible or cruel to adopt a colored baby. Being different made me who I am. I have lots of friends of both races regardless of how "white" or Hispanic I am. My parents did it way back in 1985 (before Angelina made it "vogue"). As for those who say "Well just adopt in America, plenty of those here!" Legal complications arise more often from US adoptions (look at what happened to poor Baby Richard. That gave me nightmares for weeks.) The orphanage I was placed at would have kicked me out at 10 years old to live on the streets. So to say "stick to your own country" is ignorant and nationalistic.
And what Cosmic Fluke said about foreign children being cheaper, that's bullshit b/c they aren't. (You think all those unwanted little girls from China come cheap than think again.) You have to fly out of the country and then deal with the problems associated with that country. Colombia had just begun of a massive civil war and there were minors on the rooftops with machine guns pointed at the street everywhere. Sorry, Walmart it ain't.
I asked my mom why Colombia instead of America a few times. She said she read an article called "He's finally ours!" and she thought it was a good idea and thought Colombian babies were cute. She didn't think about color although she grew up in an all-white racist town so I'm sure worries about color were present for at least a few moments and I don't blame her. She obviously didn't think about the problems of growing up brown in an all-white town but she came to understand them through me. Watching someone be racist to your child is definitely hard but understanding/learning it through your child has to be one of the hardest things to go through as a parent.
Although I think this woman was slightly naive, I think she broadcasted thoughts that most only think for a minute or two. I think she is brave for doing so. To have love for a child you never gave birth to or saw until you picked him/her up is the deepest sort of love anyone can give. To criticize her is to criticize something you know nothing about. (Read my messages above for more.)
P.S. Also I just reread it and must've missed the sunscreen part. Hilarious! My sister would come back pink (sometimes red) after getting a layer every half hour and I would run out with no sunscreen and be just fine (this was before the big skin cancer scare).
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Ms. Lerner took a great risk in exposing her ugly underside (and it is ugly) this way, and if anything we should give her a little credit for that. After all, she could have remained totally oblivious to her feelings until it was too late. Her feelings may have (and I'm certain they *would* have) affected her relationship with her child. Also, Ms. Lerner is not to be made a convenient scapegoat for her feelings - after all, no one grows up racist or having racist feelings. What she knew or felt, she LEARNED. Our society (in fact many societies) place a greater emphasis on fair skin and a negative value on dark skin. I know Indians (from India) who become quite offended if you mistake them for being black, though in many cases their skin is as dark as someone who is of African descent. My significant other's mother (who is Latino) says that some of her brothers are dark-skinned and have faced a great deal of intra-racism from their own, and I need not get too in depth with my own black folks' endless preoccupation with light skin and 'good' hair.
On the other hand, neither Ms. Lerner nor those here who are her supporters should think she (or they) are allowed a free pass. Ouelle and others here who are the detractors have a valid cause for their anger. How long must we go on as a society teaching intolerance simply because of the color of one's skin and that lighter (or close to white) is far more desirable? How much are those of us who are dark-skinned expected to take when we're told time and again that we're somehow 'unworthy'? Moreover, why is the life of this child subject to someone else's ignorance?
I also ask, why should people of color not be allowed to feel angry about this confession? After all, we live in an increasingly multi-racial society and there's no excuse that stupid color prejudices should still exist. According to Ms. Lerner, she works around and are friends with people of varying ethnicities, which more than likely means she's around black and brown people of ALL SHADES. Which means that she knows them to be good, upstanding, caring, loving, hardworking, etc., so there's really no good reason for her discomfort.
The difficult truth is that giving up racist thoughts and feelings is going to take a whole lot more than just saying "I'm not racist". It's going to take giving up the power of believing in the inherent *rightness* of one skin tone over the other.
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WE SUPPORT HER STRUGGLE AGAINST IT.
Try to get that through your skulls, else you are as intolerant and hateful as you accuse us and her of being.
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Posted by: SandraR on Aug 26, 2006 10:06 PM
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Like Lerner, we did not know our daughter's skin color until we arrived at the orphanage to take her into our family. In the photos taken in her infancy, she looked much like the orphanage's description of her skin color, "wheatish." But, like Lerner, we did not "pick" our daughter based on skin color. (In fact, like everyone who adopts a child from India, we did not "pick" at all; the orphanage assigns a child to the family.)
When we first met, I saw only her fear and felt only my need to comfort her. With time, I came to see her each part of her, including her color. There is no doubt about it -- she is far darker than anyone else in the family, including her Panamanian, Guatamalen, and Costa Rican cousins. Far darker.
I had spent years preparing to became my daughter's mother, reading about adoption, about adopting a toddler, about trans-racial adoption, about India, about Hinduism, about anything and everything that I thought would make me the right mother for her. The education helped me -- but didn't replace -- my own authentic experience. I had a one-and-a-half-year old on my hands! One who had never seen a man and certainly not a bald guy with a red beard! One who had never seen anyone with my pale skin. One who had never been outside of the room in which she lived with twenty-odd other children her own age. She was more than a bit startled to be snatched away from her orphanage home (dreary to be sure, but still home). And, after making an extraordinary and lengthy effort to become her mother, I was more than a bit startled to have her. She was so unfamiliar. She wasn't a tiny baby straight from my body. She walked. She talked, but not a language I understood. She was wafer thin at 16 pounds.
And she was dark. Did I notice her darkness? Of course! I noticed every ounce of her. I studied her. I inspected the pale soles of her feet, her black bottom, the darkness of her wrists and ankles, all of it new and foreign, so strange to me. Not like any child I'd had before.
With time, the otherness faded and my daughter became my own. (Which, by the way, is another unmentionable; we are supposed to pretend that we deeply love our adopted children from the instant we lay eyes on them.) I came to admire and swoon over every bit of my daughter. Still do. I do the same with her pale brother and sister. I look at their toes, their hair lines, their spots, their tummies, their arm pits. I caress them as much as they will permit and wonder how I could have been so blessed. I look at the crease of my Indian daughter's arms and her knees, and marvel at her smooth and lovely blackness. My love for her is not blind, nor should it be.
Being my daughter's mother has caused me to think and feel differently about skin color. I "notice" skin tones more than I ever did, but in a pleasant way; the way you might notice variations in flowers. I did not know that I would have feelings about my daughter's skin color nor that those feelings would change, but there is is, and for good reason. My baby, my deepest love, has dark dark skin. At first so foreign, so "other", she -- and everything about her -- is now part of me, part of her father, her brother and her sister. Like Lisa Lerner's daughter, my daughter has changed the complexion of our family forever. She is of us and we are of her.
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Posted by: ulla on Aug 26, 2006 10:33 PM
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First some factual information to your confusion about the necessity of having to use sunfactor cream. Your doctor is right, your daughter´s dark complexion serves as a natural shield. But you will have to give a vitamin D supply untill she is at least 3 years old, maybe even longer depending on how much sun and daylight she gets.
Those of us who 30.000 years or so remained in tropical or subtropical areas, kept or devellopped a pigmentation as a protection against the sun. The part of human race who migrated further north to colder and darker areas of the planet were able to survive with less pigmentation, but were also quite vulnerable to exposure of sun and thus more prone to skincancer. They ( we from the northern parts) also devellopped an ability to absorb vitamin D in food more efficiently, so we would´nt be so dependant on sunlight for as a vitamin Dsource.
People of darker pigmentations though do not have the ability to absorb vitamon D in food so well and need more sunlight to achieve the amount needed. This means that when living in colder climates they need extra vitamin D epecially small children of colour and sometimes also adults depending on how much sunlight they are exposed to. If not it can cause rachitis (fragile bones) in babies and muscle and bone pains in adults. So the family you consulted in the park, did not give you the right advice.
Next thing I would like to comment in your letter (although I do admire you being open and honest) is that I think you have been terribly naive. Adopting a child is a very important step especially if the cild is from another culture. It seems to me that you have nor been properly informed nor prepared. It also depressed me a lot to realize how far behind in these issues the US is. All this talk about race and colour and is it better to be darkskinned Caucasian or lightskinned Afro-American, is truly pitiful. It always uproared me that you people still have to register your "race" in order to vote. Does it give any meaning to-day at all?and why is it so terribly important. Come on move forward!
My Brazilian friend says of her country: We are a mixed people.
When did you ever hear a US citizen say a similar thing. You certainly have a long way to go. I hope for the best for you and your daughter and for the rest of the people of the US in order to make progress. Alternet sometimes makes me feel a little more optimistic about the future.
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Posted by: jvwh3b on Aug 27, 2006 7:14 AM
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We need to concentrate our efforts on survival in this society rather than race.
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Oh, the fun you'll have, Little Green!
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Posted by: ulla on Aug 30, 2006 8:57 PM
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First: Dear black women. (whom I feel I almost got to know under your different chat names) Thank you so very much for sharing your thoughts and experiences. I can see all the efforts you used to bring over your message, your patience, your irony, your anger. You did´nt get the answers you deserved. Either there were no answers or some which were mostly about themselves or their intellectual attitudes about Asian eye surgery or African women bleaching their skin. (I never heard about that before.), but nobody really "met" you.
One person also left the debate literally smacking the door behind her. I feel the roaring silence and I don´t want to leave you there. I want you to know that I heard you and I can understand what you are up against. Your letters have not been a waste of time, believe me.
And: Dear white "progressive" liberal women (if you still are hanging on here). I know you mean well, I know your intentions are good, but in order to move on, you ´ll have to drop your defences and your guilt-feeling. Slavery was´nt your fault, racism is´nt your fault, but you contribute to it by running away every time you hear something unpleasant or painful.
Recognizing that every person is an expert on their own situation is showing respect. The worst thing to me is when I´m not being taken serious or "met", you certainly must have experinced that one time or other in your personal life. Try to read the letters again, push your ego aside, forget about yourself and open your mind and heart and learn. That´s all you have to do and it is all you are asked to do. You can´t solve all the colour and race problems in your county, but this you can do. It is a little step, but like the Chinese proverb goes: All travels start with the first step.
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I find the idea that an adoptive mother shouldn't have the right to convert the child to Judaism ridiculous. She's the mother. She happens to be Jewish. Why on earth should she attempt to raise her as a Hindu when she doesn't believe in that religion and wouldn't be able to give her a truly authentic experience in that religion?
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Then anyone from the family can show up for up to 6 months and take your child away based on blood ties.
It is no longer socially acceptable to put your baby up for adoption, regardless of your ability to care for your child.
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Finally, I found it odd that Ms Lerner's infant daughter has a faith. Babies cannot be capitalists, marxists or Democrats, and neither can they be Hindus, Muslims or Jews. Ms Lerner should let her daughter find her own beliefs as all children should be able to.
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Posted by: Colin on Aug 21, 2006 1:24 AM
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The fact that you have realised you have a slight 'problem', as it were, and then worked through it rationally and with the help of others, to my mind, makes you something of a role model. If only other people were so forthcoming about realising and dealing with their own uncomfortable secrets.
I'm no astrologer but if I were to make my predictions for the future I would say that the question of skin colour will become less and less relevant by the day until eventually you will not give a stuff. (And you will love the little one throughout.)
The important thing is that whilst you were in that in-between stage, you shared your input with others allowing them to see what you are learning. That's a big thing! Generally we are left to see nothing but the 'final product' as people work through their issues privately.
No-one is born perfect, we all have to work for it. The fact that you are writing down and submitting that learning process for the scrutiny of others should not be reprimanded. Hats off!
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Give it a rest, guys.
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Posted by: maiaoming on Aug 21, 2006 5:48 AM
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The fact that this author dared to bare herself as she has to a liberal audience - who are indeed tremendously self-righteous - is wonderful and deserving.
As a mother of a ten-month-old, I've noticed that so much of our family's talk about our child has to do with what she looks like - who she resembles more, what traits she's inherited, how her face is changing, will her hair straighten, etc. With an adopted child, whatever the similarity to the parents, the ability to indulge in that "she looks like me!" thrill is gone. The love that binds an adopted child to a parent must therefore be generated from the bonding relationship, not the genetic one.
Good luck with your beautiful daughter!!!
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Posted by: Sojourner on Aug 21, 2006 6:44 AM
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Nothing is more stupid than judging someone for something over which they have no control. We think, say, and do lots of stupid things--being human and all--such as assuming that you can tell anything just by looking.
I was complimented by an older woman once for the brogans I was wearing. "My husband always said, you can trust a man who wears shoes like that." I couldn't contradict her, because that's one reason I was wearning them. But what a pile of horsepucky fashions are, yet "being fashionable" is intended as a compliment.
"Until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes, we shall not know peace." -- Haile Selassie.
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Posted by: Ouelle on Aug 21, 2006 7:03 AM
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Apparently the feeling wasn't very deep. This dumb-!#$ thinks she feels a "pull" because she admires bindis. Get a life.
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Posted by: VannaLaRoche on Aug 21, 2006 7:08 AM
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The only honest thing for me to say is that I'm a racist, an ageist, a religionist, a sexist toward my own and the opposite sex, a demographicist (in my area it's all about what high school you went to), a somaticist (skinny or tubby? flabby or faux muscles? Real tits or not?), and also a hair-colorist and a fashionist. I'm a linguistic bigot: if you aren't well-spoken I'll deem you stupid. I'm also a vehiculist: I love that joke about cactuses and Porsches. I could be called a cell-phone bigot, too. I'm likely to think you're a downright murderous criminal type if I see your fat arm slabbed against the driver's-side window, propping up your latest banal conversation.
Bigotry is so easy, so natural!
No one ever gets any traction claiming they're free from prejudice and bigotry. That's why I support a nation of laws: human judgment and human character is flawed and always will be.
There will always be some hypocrites--and plenty of self-identified liberals among them--claiming a higher moral ground, implying that they themselves are completely clean-souled. Anyone who criticizes the author falls into this category. The soft bigotry of having only the "highest standards."
I would recommend the author meet more white American mothers of African-American children. They know better than anyone else how Americans treat them and their children, and how to counter and protect themselves and their children.
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Posted by: chaoslegs on Aug 21, 2006 7:14 AM
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The North American Council on Adoptable Children has recently written a comparsion of family preperation regarding multicultural adoption between rules to comply with Hague Convention (international convention) by the State Department and the lack of any guidance by the Department of Health and Human Services regarding the Interethnic Adoption Provisions and Multi-ethnic Placement Act. Once Hague is fully implemented, the family prep may be such that the author would have been better prepared to handle the thoughts she has.
Finally, the article was very parent-centric orientated. Her daughter will grow up and have needs, including those related to searching and claiming her identity. This journey will likely include understanding and hopefully accepting the culture of her birth. The resources above by NYSCCC are great for examining many sides of this issue, including many from the adoptees point of view.
For full disclosure my sister was adopted as an infant from South Korea, is now 30, and I have heard her stories, including struggles she has faced with racism that my parents (white) could never hope to properly prepare her for.
If you have questions for me directly off the comments page, you can e-mail me at chaoslegs@gmail.com.
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Welcome to the world of "conspicuous families!" Those of us in families with transracial adoptions, or interracial marriages, or same sex couples will probably always get funny looks (and worse) from some people, but please don't forget that your family is just as legitimate as anyone else's.
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Aug 21, 2006 7:58 AM
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Babies have gone blind from it! NEVER use a waterproof one...it can get it her eyes and you can't wash it out!
I learned this the hard way...and ended up in a hospital!
You need to ask a good skin doctor about this.
I would use a MUCH less strong one...very expensive... use a 15 or less ..if at all....and keep it away from her eyes. Keep her out of the days strongest sun, and have her wear a sunhat.
In Hawaii, where I and my children are from...children are all colors, even within the same family. I would suggest a vacation there, and when you come home, find other single mothers by you who have adopted Indian children.
As she grows older, she will have a lot of questions about her birth country, and it would be helpful for her and you to have friends with the same experiences and concerns.
What about her birth mother? This is going to be a concern of hers when she becomes a teenager. Any contact or information you get now, would be a help to her later.
And remember, as the Velveteen Rabbit says...love makes you real.
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Posted by: caru on Aug 21, 2006 8:08 AM
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but as we kill the planet and continue to hate each other ... we are the lost and the loosing ... by hating one of another color you hate yourself and loose yourself ... you loose your mother and loose your history, your love and your very life ... by being at odds with the reality of life on this planet ... we go missing from ourselves, others and creation.
i propose we go looking for each other and every little nuanced beauty and difference ... and we celebrate joyfully together and enjoy this beautiful life we are given. we can include all ... this is wisdom.
love to all, let all our wounds of exculsion be healed, now.
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Posted by: mmeetoilenoir on Aug 21, 2006 9:12 AM
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It's not liberal self-righteousness here, I think...it's Ouelle-righteousness. We none of us are flawless, and I'll be that you're not, either. So get off your high horse.
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There are thousands of children here in the US who need to be adopted....and are part of the same culture as Ms. Lerner.
Moreover, if she's seems to have "guilt" over her child's religion, why didn't she contact one of the many Jewish adoption societies?
Sounds like it's more of a "fashion statement" to adopt a child of colour from the third world (Brad and Angelena, etc..) Bling Bling.
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This author's confession of having race issues infuriated me because of how she prioritized the child's skin color above the child's health and emotional well being.
It seems like she picked the child based on how light she looked in the photos as if the author was shopping for a particular brown for a car.
She went into this adoption what seems like for selfish reasons. What was her motivation for doing this? She knows how her "peeps" (meaning the white race) are and what kind of society we live in.
It seems like she didn't bother to talk to other parents who are in similar situations, pschycologists, social workers, etc. BEFORE going thru with the adoption. Maybe she was ashamed of her thoughts. Which is more reason she should have sought out advice before proceeding with th adoption.
What she should be asking herself is:
1. Why does the color of one's skin matter?
2. How can I help my child deal with racism when presented to her?
3. Should we live in a community that reflects multicultural families? If not, how will I deal with people in a community that are not so accepting of my situation?
4. How do I answer the question why am I different from you mommy (and daddy?)?
5. How to balance how much of my culture to influence upon her without neglecting to mention any of her original culture? Will I be offended if she choose not be jewish? If I am offended, how would I work thru that?
6. Are there any genetic diseases or conditions that she may have that I should be concerned about?
I hope by her confessing to this, this will cleanse her soul and that she seek the help she so desperately need to raise a health happy girl before she gets too old.
Can somebody, anybody please explain to me what is with white people's obsession with the color of ones's skin?
Also, would someone please answer for me how is it that jewish people, who have been persecuted for their religious beliefs for thousands of years, can be so racist?
I can't tell the difference from a white atheist to a white christian to a white jew. That's why I can't understand how jews call anti-semitsm racism.
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It is courageous for her to face, and voice, her discomfort with the indian child she has adopted. I think the situation may sometimes be the same for parents of disabled or mentally handicapped children. Expressing discomfort, or societally induced shame in no way means the parent does not love their child, or is incapable of raising them well, but it does speak to the way people have been conditioned. I think getting it out there and recognizing prejudices is a huge step towards dealing with them. It seems to be a natural human attribute to feel uncomfortable about differences, and conversely, to feel more comfortable with those who most resemble us (physically or otherwise). We have to learn not to be afraid of anything different.
I have an adopted brother, who is white like me, and grew up with an adopted friend (black, by a white family), and have often been amazed by what a non-issue it is to me. At the same time, my friend has had a much harder time with the situation than my brother. Just one, personal story, but it allows me to sympathize with both sides of the story. It would be very interesting to hear from others who were adopted or have dealt with this situation.
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To balance this white-parent-centric focus, here are some resources in which people who have been adopted in these circumstances speak for themselves
Two sites about a new book from South End Press:
http://www.southendpress.org/2005/items/87646
http://www.outsiderswithin.com/about.htm
And, the Transracial Abductees Website: http://www.transracialabductees.org/
Instead of giving so much attention only to the inner struggles and subjectivities of the white parents, let's listen to what the other people involved in these situations have to say (because contrary to the delusions of whiteness, those other people are not objects for the white liberal imagination, they are real 100% human beings!)
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The skin color fixation that most people in the West suffer from is "Color-ism" & not "Race-ism". Especially in the US, the emphasis is on climbing to the top of the "Color Pyramid" by "whitening" oneself. Race is a discredited 19th century pseudo-science which survives mostly thru words like "racism".
Remember, there was a time not long ago (even Early 20th century) when Italian-Americans were not considered White. They worked at it, & "Whitened" themselves. Then it was the turn of Irish-Americans, & Jewish Americans. Now the Newer immigrants are also in the same game/struggle of getting at least "honorary white" status. Sounds ridiculous to me, but it is true.
My comments on the writer's "dilemma" is- Look at the baby's land of origin, it will give you the right clues to handle this. As many others have written, it is not difficult to find in India, in the same family, people of varying shades of skin tone. Color of skin is still a factor, but no one in their right mind would pass important judgements (prejudices?) based on skin color alone. People grow up with far too much diversity in India to be that ignorant.
The more in touch your daughter is, from an early age, to the positive aspects of her own Indian heritage, the better off she will be. [Does not preclude her from being Jewish, like her mom, but can surely answer her question "momma, why am I not like the other Jewish children around me?"]
With the number of successful Indian Americans & Indian Cultural Organizations all around...this shouldn't be too difficult.
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Part of loving my sons is understanding the role race plays in our world and preparing them for it. Right now they are young and it's easy for them. I fear it will get more complicated as they get older.
I read a great book called Inside Transracial Adoption that really helped sort out these issues. It was sort of a guide book for helping your child be comfortable in both his family of adoption and his family of origin.
We made a commitment that our sons are a minority in our families but no where else in their lives. That means school, doctor, dentist, sports teams, activities, camps, he is part of the majority. We strive for diversity in friendships but it is harder across color lines. It takes a lot more effort, but we are trying.
My sister just adopted two African-American boys as well so there is more diversity in our family, which is wonderful that my boys now have cousins that share the same race. They are having a great time together and I hope will be a source of support to each other as they get older.
We recently went on vacation to the south and my husband and I got so tired of the stares, stares, stares. Not the curious and friendly stares we get here (I live in the Midwest) but mean, feel it in your back stares. My kids had no idea fortunately. But I need to find a more diverse and open place for vacation next year!
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I hope you find some peace, Ouelle.
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My neice and nephew are biracial. My love for them forces me to confront my own racism and call it out for what it is: fear.
Would I put up with someone else thinking about them what I just thought about that black person on the subway?
My best wishes to your family.
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Since you've clearly recieved an avalanche of very critical unsolicited advice, I'll just share an experience I had recently with my two lovely dark skinned daughters adopted from Cambodia, that might lend a bit of perspective on the subject of dark skinned children.
We were sweltering in a long line for a roller coaster ride at Six Flags, when I noticed a beautiful but painfully overdressed Indian woman shoving her perhaps 10 year old daughter through the line, trying in vain to shield her from the sun with a ruffled umbrella. The child, also foolishly clothed in a frilly dress, was clearly humiliated as her mother tried to push in front of us, insisting that they needed to stand in the shade. I let them cut through, much to my own daughters' protests. How could I explain to them that many Asians are ashamed of their dark skin, and even try to bleach their skin with strange concoctions because skin color prejudices exist in Asia too?
You are so wise to honestly examine your feelings about your daughter's differences and deal with them as they arise, because someday she will need to honestly discuss them with you as well!
Good luck, and by the way, dark skinned kids are at risk for skin cancer too, and of course they do make SPF 50 sunscreen specifically for kids---any grocery store carries several brands!
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I am hard of hearing and was mainstreamed into the hearing world at a young age. So I am too "deaf" to be hearing and too "hearing" to be deaf, so to speak. Thus the fun begins.
I feel like the author is self-absorbed, out of touch and creepy, just like the celebrity moms who "buy" their children from other countries to bolster their own egos for being so "loving." I really believe that these mothers will be paid back for their "kindness" when these overprivileged kids reach their teens, but perhaps that's just wishful thinking.
In any case, racist politics and identity confusion will prevail.
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"We wanted a baby, but the adoption requirements for white babies was much more stringent than for darker skinned babies."
It also fails to come to terms with certain things that the baby will have to face growing up, "Why am I a different color than mommy and daddy?"
The child will not be welcomed into the black community, and will not be welcomed into the white community. What a terrible burden to place on a child! A child who will be an outsider in their own family.
Granted, this might be better for the child than for he/she to have been left in an orphanage's care, but it is still irresponsible parenting.
Another issue not addressed, why not adopt a darker skinned child here in America?
I think it all boils down to a selfish desire on the part of the adoptive parent, who doubtlessly fancy themselves as "color-blind".
I hope nobody misconstrues anything I've said here as racist, I've never once been accused or thought of being in any way racist. In fact, back in my twenties I had plans to adopt a girl baby from India "when I grew up" (something that, at 42, I'm still waiting to happen). The reason at that time was the awful situation women faced in that country, and my own admiration for the inherent beauty of the darker skinned races.
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The point is that the baby's skin tone matters to the author for VALID reasons. Simply because all interpersonal relationships here in the US of A are colored by our culturally inherited assumptions.
Still, for me (as a non-caucasian), it's hard not to be cynical about goodwill to the impoverished brown-skinned peoples of the world. Raped, pillaged, dominated for hundreds of years only to be handed a bible and and a banana or taken home to a new mama.
I hope the child grows up to learn Hindi or whatever dialect her native town speaks and can see the world as a whole. It's possible that we'll have 2 more enlightened people in the world.
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"You've got to be carefully taught...before you are six, or seven, or eight" from the famous Rogers and Hammerstein musical "South Pacific." We were all 'carefully' taught....
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As a warm-up, we're told this chick has a "diverse group of friends" (i.e. "I have black/gay/whatever friends so I'm not XXXXX," and so on) so then we should refrain from analyzing her comments and take them at face value. Okay. Go. For starters, why does she, a (white) single American woman feel the need to go to the other side of the world to adopt a child? Are there not qualified children in the US? Surely there must be some "healthy ones who don't take all those substances" [sic]. This is neo-liberal imperialism on a personalized scale. How convient that India had a child waiting for her (nevermind about the conditions of Indians in India cause they're only there to satisfy the desires for babies, chai tea, and telemarketing of westerners.) Secondly, the author openly admits a disgust for brown skin and (ethnic/non-european-like) hair. (Last I saw/heard, some jews have naps rockin harder or fros kissin the sun more than my own.) Then there's that comment where she can barely contain her glee that with the help of her "token brown baby," blacks on the train "smile and give up their seats on the train" (thank you very much Mrs. Parks, "see they still give up their seats"). Disgusting! She'll make a terrible parent, one who was so interested in having a new "kid" ("kid" because I'm sure it's just another accessory for her on "the Upper Eastside of New York" as she so smugly writes) that she didn't bother to research the particulars of her situation before involving herself in it.
The best thing, however, is how eager posters are here to defend her "courage" and "honesty" in writing such racist drivel. Typical, really, after all it's easier to dismiss or applaude a comment than consider its substance. Though I can't speak for all non-whites posting her, I might say that people of color reading this article aren't so easily awed by Miss America's altruism and sharing. Perhaps before she jets off to Dafur to "rescue" a child there she should (check at a FEMA camp to see if they've any "healthy babies" to donate to the "Upper Eastside", or) ask one of her African American sistas what that's gonna look like to her pals at the country club. I'm sure she'll get the answer she doesn't want. (And I look forward to the day when her daughter gets in her face about writing this terrible article and demands an explanation.)
"The only proud American is an ignorant American."
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What IS it with us white people and "discovering" what other people already know is there?
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The other point is that racism and classism are not just American values. In South America and many parts of the world the darker the skin pretty much equates to the poorer you are. Fair skin is a highly desirable trait in India. Slave (or indentured servant) classes are mostly made up of darker people. African women (at least some of the ones I know) often discuss how light so and so's child's complexion is in an envious way. The difference between other culture's racism and our racism is that we have a long history of gaining from the oppression of other races and continue to do so. We see racism as either something to be completely appalled at (liberal guilt) or something to completely embrace (kkk types), whereas other cultures simply see racism for what it is.
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It's been a long list of comments you must've read so I'll try to keep this simple.
One, congratulations on the new member of your family! I hope the child is a source of as much pleasure, pride and pain to you as all children are, to their happy parents.
Two, you need to educate yourself a lot, lot more. Being a parent means learning, teaching yourself stuff you haven't known before - and this is not just stuff on diaper-changing, but also about the big wide world. You've just shown in this article how completely mixed up you are about nationality, race and color - for that is what the 'issue at hand' is. These are three different issues. First, you don't 'need darker friends', you need Desi friends, people from India/Pakistan/Sri Lanka, etc. Them you need as role models for your daughter when she starts growing up and asking questions, as well as for you to find out whether to put sunscreen on her face. Second, your kid doesn't have hair that is kinky (!) or full, large lips because those are African features, not those of Asian Indians - exactly like many Mongloids are as fair as most Caucasians, but they have different features (smaller eyes, narrow frame, etc.). You need to know this for maybe medical reasons (e.g. to correctly diagnose her risk factors for skin cancer or even geographically occurring endemic diseases e.g. sickle-cell anaemia, tuberculosis, etc.), as well as for social reasons - your child is NOT African-American. Finally, as so many other posters say, you should seriously sit down and write 'Color does not matter' 500 times. Because if you think your little princess is a flower girl, then flower girl she will become.
And last, do read Amartya Sen's excellent Identity and Violence: The Illusion of Destiny - that should explain the concept of multiple identities. Rest assured your child is not going to be the only confused dealing-with-multiple-identities teenager around, esp in NY :-)
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I'll repeat what I said above: "Transracial Adoption is also somewhat like having gay children: It may not be what you expected and you often worry, and although on the surface this worry may initially be directed at the thing that is different (skin color, sexuality), it is not what your TRUE worries (Will he/she fit in?, Is it going to be harder for him/her to get through life because of his/her difference?, Is he/she going to be hurt emotionally, psychologically, physically because of what is different?) are directed. So surface worries may be "racist/homophobic" but deeper worries are really out of concern for what might to happen to your child and his/her safety and equality."
As for Cosmic Fluke: It is completely not irresponsible or cruel to adopt a colored baby. Being different made me who I am. I have lots of friends of both races regardless of how "white" or Hispanic I am. My parents did it way back in 1985 (before Angelina made it "vogue"). As for those who say "Well just adopt in America, plenty of those here!" Legal complications arise more often from US adoptions (look at what happened to poor Baby Richard. That gave me nightmares for weeks.) The orphanage I was placed at would have kicked me out at 10 years old to live on the streets. So to say "stick to your own country" is ignorant and nationalistic.
And what Cosmic Fluke said about foreign children being cheaper, that's bullshit b/c they aren't. (You think all those unwanted little girls from China come cheap than think again.) You have to fly out of the country and then deal with the problems associated with that country. Colombia had just begun of a massive civil war and there were minors on the rooftops with machine guns pointed at the street everywhere. Sorry, Walmart it ain't.
I asked my mom why Colombia instead of America a few times. She said she read an article called "He's finally ours!" and she thought it was a good idea and thought Colombian babies were cute. She didn't think about color although she grew up in an all-white racist town so I'm sure worries about color were present for at least a few moments and I don't blame her. She obviously didn't think about the problems of growing up brown in an all-white town but she came to understand them through me. Watching someone be racist to your child is definitely hard but understanding/learning it through your child has to be one of the hardest things to go through as a parent.
Although I think this woman was slightly naive, I think she broadcasted thoughts that most only think for a minute or two. I think she is brave for doing so. To have love for a child you never gave birth to or saw until you picked him/her up is the deepest sort of love anyone can give. To criticize her is to criticize something you know nothing about. (Read my messages above for more.)
P.S. Also I just reread it and must've missed the sunscreen part. Hilarious! My sister would come back pink (sometimes red) after getting a layer every half hour and I would run out with no sunscreen and be just fine (this was before the big skin cancer scare).
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Ms. Lerner took a great risk in exposing her ugly underside (and it is ugly) this way, and if anything we should give her a little credit for that. After all, she could have remained totally oblivious to her feelings until it was too late. Her feelings may have (and I'm certain they *would* have) affected her relationship with her child. Also, Ms. Lerner is not to be made a convenient scapegoat for her feelings - after all, no one grows up racist or having racist feelings. What she knew or felt, she LEARNED. Our society (in fact many societies) place a greater emphasis on fair skin and a negative value on dark skin. I know Indians (from India) who become quite offended if you mistake them for being black, though in many cases their skin is as dark as someone who is of African descent. My significant other's mother (who is Latino) says that some of her brothers are dark-skinned and have faced a great deal of intra-racism from their own, and I need not get too in depth with my own black folks' endless preoccupation with light skin and 'good' hair.
On the other hand, neither Ms. Lerner nor those here who are her supporters should think she (or they) are allowed a free pass. Ouelle and others here who are the detractors have a valid cause for their anger. How long must we go on as a society teaching intolerance simply because of the color of one's skin and that lighter (or close to white) is far more desirable? How much are those of us who are dark-skinned expected to take when we're told time and again that we're somehow 'unworthy'? Moreover, why is the life of this child subject to someone else's ignorance?
I also ask, why should people of color not be allowed to feel angry about this confession? After all, we live in an increasingly multi-racial society and there's no excuse that stupid color prejudices should still exist. According to Ms. Lerner, she works around and are friends with people of varying ethnicities, which more than likely means she's around black and brown people of ALL SHADES. Which means that she knows them to be good, upstanding, caring, loving, hardworking, etc., so there's really no good reason for her discomfort.
The difficult truth is that giving up racist thoughts and feelings is going to take a whole lot more than just saying "I'm not racist". It's going to take giving up the power of believing in the inherent *rightness* of one skin tone over the other.
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Posted by: Aussie Kim on Aug 24, 2006 4:05 PM
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WE SUPPORT HER STRUGGLE AGAINST IT.
Try to get that through your skulls, else you are as intolerant and hateful as you accuse us and her of being.
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Posted by: SandraR on Aug 26, 2006 10:06 PM
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Like Lerner, we did not know our daughter's skin color until we arrived at the orphanage to take her into our family. In the photos taken in her infancy, she looked much like the orphanage's description of her skin color, "wheatish." But, like Lerner, we did not "pick" our daughter based on skin color. (In fact, like everyone who adopts a child from India, we did not "pick" at all; the orphanage assigns a child to the family.)
When we first met, I saw only her fear and felt only my need to comfort her. With time, I came to see her each part of her, including her color. There is no doubt about it -- she is far darker than anyone else in the family, including her Panamanian, Guatamalen, and Costa Rican cousins. Far darker.
I had spent years preparing to became my daughter's mother, reading about adoption, about adopting a toddler, about trans-racial adoption, about India, about Hinduism, about anything and everything that I thought would make me the right mother for her. The education helped me -- but didn't replace -- my own authentic experience. I had a one-and-a-half-year old on my hands! One who had never seen a man and certainly not a bald guy with a red beard! One who had never seen anyone with my pale skin. One who had never been outside of the room in which she lived with twenty-odd other children her own age. She was more than a bit startled to be snatched away from her orphanage home (dreary to be sure, but still home). And, after making an extraordinary and lengthy effort to become her mother, I was more than a bit startled to have her. She was so unfamiliar. She wasn't a tiny baby straight from my body. She walked. She talked, but not a language I understood. She was wafer thin at 16 pounds.
And she was dark. Did I notice her darkness? Of course! I noticed every ounce of her. I studied her. I inspected the pale soles of her feet, her black bottom, the darkness of her wrists and ankles, all of it new and foreign, so strange to me. Not like any child I'd had before.
With time, the otherness faded and my daughter became my own. (Which, by the way, is another unmentionable; we are supposed to pretend that we deeply love our adopted children from the instant we lay eyes on them.) I came to admire and swoon over every bit of my daughter. Still do. I do the same with her pale brother and sister. I look at their toes, their hair lines, their spots, their tummies, their arm pits. I caress them as much as they will permit and wonder how I could have been so blessed. I look at the crease of my Indian daughter's arms and her knees, and marvel at her smooth and lovely blackness. My love for her is not blind, nor should it be.
Being my daughter's mother has caused me to think and feel differently about skin color. I "notice" skin tones more than I ever did, but in a pleasant way; the way you might notice variations in flowers. I did not know that I would have feelings about my daughter's skin color nor that those feelings would change, but there is is, and for good reason. My baby, my deepest love, has dark dark skin. At first so foreign, so "other", she -- and everything about her -- is now part of me, part of her father, her brother and her sister. Like Lisa Lerner's daughter, my daughter has changed the complexion of our family forever. She is of us and we are of her.
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Posted by: ulla on Aug 26, 2006 10:33 PM
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First some factual information to your confusion about the necessity of having to use sunfactor cream. Your doctor is right, your daughter´s dark complexion serves as a natural shield. But you will have to give a vitamin D supply untill she is at least 3 years old, maybe even longer depending on how much sun and daylight she gets.
Those of us who 30.000 years or so remained in tropical or subtropical areas, kept or devellopped a pigmentation as a protection against the sun. The part of human race who migrated further north to colder and darker areas of the planet were able to survive with less pigmentation, but were also quite vulnerable to exposure of sun and thus more prone to skincancer. They ( we from the northern parts) also devellopped an ability to absorb vitamin D in food more efficiently, so we would´nt be so dependant on sunlight for as a vitamin Dsource.
People of darker pigmentations though do not have the ability to absorb vitamon D in food so well and need more sunlight to achieve the amount needed. This means that when living in colder climates they need extra vitamin D epecially small children of colour and sometimes also adults depending on how much sunlight they are exposed to. If not it can cause rachitis (fragile bones) in babies and muscle and bone pains in adults. So the family you consulted in the park, did not give you the right advice.
Next thing I would like to comment in your letter (although I do admire you being open and honest) is that I think you have been terribly naive. Adopting a child is a very important step especially if the cild is from another culture. It seems to me that you have nor been properly informed nor prepared. It also depressed me a lot to realize how far behind in these issues the US is. All this talk about race and colour and is it better to be darkskinned Caucasian or lightskinned Afro-American, is truly pitiful. It always uproared me that you people still have to register your "race" in order to vote. Does it give any meaning to-day at all?and why is it so terribly important. Come on move forward!
My Brazilian friend says of her country: We are a mixed people.
When did you ever hear a US citizen say a similar thing. You certainly have a long way to go. I hope for the best for you and your daughter and for the rest of the people of the US in order to make progress. Alternet sometimes makes me feel a little more optimistic about the future.
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Posted by: jvwh3b on Aug 27, 2006 7:14 AM
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We need to concentrate our efforts on survival in this society rather than race.
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Oh, the fun you'll have, Little Green!
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Posted by: ulla on Aug 30, 2006 8:57 PM
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First: Dear black women. (whom I feel I almost got to know under your different chat names) Thank you so very much for sharing your thoughts and experiences. I can see all the efforts you used to bring over your message, your patience, your irony, your anger. You did´nt get the answers you deserved. Either there were no answers or some which were mostly about themselves or their intellectual attitudes about Asian eye surgery or African women bleaching their skin. (I never heard about that before.), but nobody really "met" you.
One person also left the debate literally smacking the door behind her. I feel the roaring silence and I don´t want to leave you there. I want you to know that I heard you and I can understand what you are up against. Your letters have not been a waste of time, believe me.
And: Dear white "progressive" liberal women (if you still are hanging on here). I know you mean well, I know your intentions are good, but in order to move on, you ´ll have to drop your defences and your guilt-feeling. Slavery was´nt your fault, racism is´nt your fault, but you contribute to it by running away every time you hear something unpleasant or painful.
Recognizing that every person is an expert on their own situation is showing respect. The worst thing to me is when I´m not being taken serious or "met", you certainly must have experinced that one time or other in your personal life. Try to read the letters again, push your ego aside, forget about yourself and open your mind and heart and learn. That´s all you have to do and it is all you are asked to do. You can´t solve all the colour and race problems in your county, but this you can do. It is a little step, but like the Chinese proverb goes: All travels start with the first step.
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Posted by: bookworm8571 on Sep 27, 2006 4:34 PM
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I find the idea that an adoptive mother shouldn't have the right to convert the child to Judaism ridiculous. She's the mother. She happens to be Jewish. Why on earth should she attempt to raise her as a Hindu when she doesn't believe in that religion and wouldn't be able to give her a truly authentic experience in that religion?
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Posted by: emilybluegrass on Jan 20, 2007 3:10 PM
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Then anyone from the family can show up for up to 6 months and take your child away based on blood ties.
It is no longer socially acceptable to put your baby up for adoption, regardless of your ability to care for your child.
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