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In Love With Ourselves

By Silja J.A. Talvi, In These Times. Posted August 15, 2006.


American culture is full of narcissists of all shapes and stripes -- George W. Bush, Rush Limbaugh, Paris Hilton and any number of other public figures leap to mind.
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"It seems like just yesterday I was at the White House staying in the Lincoln bedroom, and everything was wonderful."

These were the words of former Connecticut Gov. John Rowland to a group of teenagers in early July. Rowland was trying to explain his downward trajectory from one of the Republican Party's favored political "stars" to standing in line for toilet paper in a federal prison.

He described his "sense of entitlement" as a political persona. "Before you know it, you're doing things you never thought you'd do in the past. ... Then you send that message to others."

The former governor no doubt got the message from those who influenced him in his rise to power, including the president himself. "I can't tell you how important it is to have people who hold office who deliver," President Bush glowed about Rowland during the Connecticut Republican Committee Lunch in April 2002. "[O]ne of the jobs of a governor is to help restore faith in the political process of a particular state. And the best way to defeat cynicism is to accomplish things on behalf of everybody ... to rise above the traditional noise that tends to dominate the political scene and perform."

"Performing" indeed. The governor put on a great act as a public servant -- that is, until he had to resign from office in 2004 amid an embarrassing investigation into rampant corruption and influence peddling.

Rowland's myopic perception of endless omnipotence could be described as wholly narcissistic. But he is not alone. Building a public persona in America often amounts to a narcissistic exercise on the grandest of scales.

Narcissism is clinically defined in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-IV) as a "pervasive pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and lack of empathy." Although just about any person can possess certain narcissistic tendencies, the disorder can't technically be diagnosed until five out of nine criteria are met:

  • A grandiose sense of self-importance unsupported by reality;
  • A belief that s/he is special and unique and can only be understood by other 'special' people;
  • A preoccupation with fantasies of extraordinary success, wealth, power, brilliance, beauty or ideal love;
  • An intense, excessive need for admiration;
  • A sense of entitlement;
  • A frequent tendency to exploit interpersonal relationships without guilt or remorse, including advantageous behavior to satisfy his/her own end goals;
  • A lack of empathy;
  • An envy of others, or the perception that s/he is the object of others' envy;
  • Regular displays of arrogant behavior or attitude.

The likes of Donald Trump, George W. Bush, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rudy Giuliani, Donald Rumsfeld, Rush Limbaugh, Paris Hilton and any number of other public figures leap to mind. But narcissists come in all shapes and stripes -- you may even be living or working with a few or have one as a parent.

Addressing an audience of people desperate to understand the narcissists in their midst, a subgenre of self-help books have been written to help non-narcissists identify and extricate themselves from this kind of interpersonal "toxicity."

Some of these authors are beginning to insist that the preponderance of narcissists in our society did not develop in a vacuum. In an April 2005 interview in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Julia Sokol (co-author of Help! I'm in Love With a Narcissist) observed: "I think society places a value on narcissism and narcissistic values. We put an emphasis on the superficial. We put an emphasis on the people who sound as though they know what they're talking about, even when they don't. ... Narcissism forgives an awful lot that in an earlier time would have been considered obnoxious."

Sociologist Christopher Lasch's The Culture of Narcissism: American Life in An Age of Diminishing Expectations, first published in 1979, was the furthest thing from a self-help book. Written in a dense, unemotional style more suited to the classroom than to armchair psychology, the work was nonetheless groundbreaking. Lasch grasped an emergent sociopolitical trend: a societal push toward self-satisfaction and self-aggrandizement, to the near exclusion of a sense of collective responsibility and accountability. One of Lasch's greatest feats was to pinpoint the narcissistic by-products of our American culture of "competitive individualism." Our society, he argued, had carried the "logic of individualism to the extreme of war of all against all, the pursuit of happiness to the dead end of narcissistic preoccupation with the self."

Lasch's book is both illuminating and prescient, particularly as the author predicted what we would later come to know as the "cult of celebrity." In The Culture of Narcissism, Lasch alternated between clinical and casual observations of people who wanted not to be esteemed for their real accomplishments so much as they wanted to be admired and adored for their fortune, beauty, or social standing -- and politicians were not exempt from his scathing analysis. "Success in our society has to be ratified by publicity," Lasch writes. "[A]ll politics becomes a form of spectacle."


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Doesn't everybody's gotta have somebody to love?
Posted by: Sojourner on Aug 15, 2006 1:16 AM   
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Lasch’s book appeared at about the same time that “Us” and “People” and all the other celebrity zines promoted the extension of the normal adolescent interest in self-development beyond those bounds. Growing up, becoming adult, lost its way amid popularity for perpetual adolescence.

“Emotional maturity” sounds great, except that it requires no longer using other people for personal satisfactions (yes, children only survive by using other people) one must also stop letting oneself be used. That is contrary to the whole idea of “I’ll scratch your back if you’ll scratch mine.”

In truth, rugged individualism cannot withstand in a culture where ganging up and rat packing (again, essentially normal adolescent behavior) becomes the standard for economic and political success.

Narcissism is ambition for popularity. “How to make friends and influence people,” not to promote self- and mutual-development but to stymie it at the point where one achieves power over others.

Narcissism is control achieved by looking good. And it is a waste of the one opportunity we get to find out who we are.

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This is illustrated by the contrasts
Posted by: willie.horton on Aug 15, 2006 3:57 AM   
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There are several celebrities (or almost-celebrities) who illustrate this by their lack of narcissism.
"Regular guy" comics like Artie Lange (of Mad TV and The Howard Stern Show) are genuinely surprised by their celebrity, as if they expect to wake up any day and find out it was only a dream. Fans of Stern know that Lange grew up as a Stern fan, and is still -- after four years -- almost shocked to be a regular on the show. When asked what he would say to his late father if he had one chance to communicate with him, he replied without hesitation, "I would tell him that I'm on the Howard Stern show... but he probably wouldn't believe it."
He shares this with Stern. While those who have only heard of Stern, or seen his TV show on the E! network, think of him as the ultimate narcissist, we who listen to his show -- hearing his five-hour stream of consciousness every morning -- know that he thinks of himself as an ugly duckling who grew up to be an uglier swan. One reason, for example, that he remained faithful to his first wife throughout his marriage was that he couldn't imagine anyone except his wife (and now his girlfriend, who has her own successful career before she met him) wanting him for anything but his fame and power. Stern is one of the most insecure, non-egotistical celebrities in the world, despite his reputation; his ever-increasing fame is because of his ability to reveal and revel in his insecurities.
It feels good to be a fan of regular guys like Artie Lange and Howard Stern... guys who remember where they came from, and that they would still be there if not for the grace of God and the twists of fate.

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» Thank YOU Posted by: NowYogi
"The Age of Narcissism"
Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 15, 2006 4:14 AM   
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With the exception of "The age of stupidity" I can't think of better description of the times we are now living in. I got a tad nervious reading the criteria as to what makes a full-blown narcissist. I met three of them which is hardly a comforting thought. Fortunately, it didn't go ant further and I think I'm not part of the problem - but there's room for improvement - no question about it!

No question about it. As this excellent article makes abundantly clear, we are, indeed, a sick and vulgar society. Few thing are more syptomatic of our national sickness than the quality of people who we consistantly send to Washington DC. I'm, not just picking on republicans here. I'm from New York State. Hillary Clinton is my senator and I voted for her! Am I proud of that fact? Hell no! But she was the best they had to offer! Do you see what I'm saying? We wouldn't dare nominate someone who's not "movie star handsome". That's why someone like Ralph Nader, who really is the most "Lincolnesque" candidate to come along since...well...Lincoln would never have stood a chance even if he had been nominated by a major political party.

Be honest: Who was the last US president with even an ounce of substance? Jack Kennedy! And he's been dead for almost forty-three years! Sure Bill Clinton had his moments but, all in all, Bubbah was a serious letdown. And JFK, for all his virtues, was the Elvis Presley of American politics - vastly overrated. No fault of his, though. Considering the fact that he in office for less than three years, I guess it is fairly impressive that, decades later, his ghost looms large over the American political night.

It's amazing, isn't it? From Jack Kennedy to George W. Bush. From the New Deal to the Raw Deal. Did you ever, in your wildest dreams, think the American experiment would come to this? Did you ever think you'd live to see the day the former president of the United States would be a convicted criminal, serving out a very long prison term? Oh, yeah, I know that hasn't happened yet but it will, dearest reader. It will.

You can take that to the bank.

Pray for peace.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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» RE: "The Age of Narcissism" Posted by: marklar
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"Was Sally Field a Narcissist? You Love me, you really really love me!"
Posted by: marklar on Aug 15, 2006 4:15 AM   
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If only America was 24 hour non-stop Victoria Secret Angels on parade and buff guys with rippling abs playing sand volley ball in the news, on tv, and in my dreams, ahh. What a life it would be indeed.

Name tow people who have fallen off a Segway in public.
George W. Bush & Paris Hilton.

This article is great.

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the powerful
Posted by: rsaxto on Aug 15, 2006 4:16 AM   
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The powerful tend to be narcissistic, greedy and violent. The current Bushie bunch are all of these things magnified into warmongering terrorism which is worse in scope than all of the other terrorists in the world combined.

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» RE: the powerful Posted by: Tom Degan
Narcisissm Is Not New
Posted by: ChristopherLL on Aug 15, 2006 4:23 AM   
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The concept and description of narcisissm is not new, it began with Freud although to bring this into the discussion I risk immediate denial and castigation. But this fact remains and subsequent researchers have solidified and augmented this personality characteristic. On the other hand Joseph Conrad expanded and illumiated the typical Western male "pathologic narcissist" in his book Lord Jim, and that was before Freud. He just did not give a label and unfortunately scholars still consider Lord Jim a hero. Narcisissm begins between age 2-4 according to Attachment Theory when the child has not attained satisfactory and secure bonding with mother/father. They then learn to live with their self as "valued object" unable to effectively share with others.

Males express their narcisissm through phallic/symbolic methods and manners such as power, technology and militarism. Women are more likely to be narcissistic regarding object/beauty and pursue appearance, body and sexual attraction. Marketing figured this out long ago and it is what sells products, keeps consumerism alive and promotes continued economic growth. But it thwarts genuine social relationships, impairs true personal insight and growth plus creates barriers with nature, mortality and self awareness.

To leave the future of this narcisisstic moras to the government, society or any other institution is, in my view, fruitless. It is a matter for individuals to become change by looking inwards, finding their own contribution to current affairs and understand their own narcisissm. There is a healthy narcisissm but it will not be found on the outside. Thsoe that do this can then understand, guide and support those who desire and ask for help. Those who do not will never be forced to. But in time their predictable suffering and emptiness might compel them to question the larger meanings of life beyond immediate gratification, materialistic striving and self aggrandizement. But in my experience to do so will necessitate rejection of much of what this country promotes for human health and happiness. And there is "the rub."

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Narcissim is love of self without love of others
Posted by: wawa on Aug 15, 2006 5:59 AM   
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"Einstein wrote, ‘Human beings are limited in time and space. We experience ourselves in an optical delusion. We see ourselves as separate from others. Our task must be to free ourselves from our prison of self. Only through compassion can we begin to embrace all of Creation.’” -Prof Nagler

“What has happened to Christianity? The Bible has been used to justify slavery, segregation, to deny woman equality, and to promote war. A lot of evil happens when the Bible is misunderstood and misused. In the name of God, men have become murderers. We live in a world where people in power get to define those without power. The prophets spoke the word of God in concrete circumstances and throughout history...Micah confronted Israel with their behavior, and God again told the people what is required: ‘Do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with your Lord.’”- Bishop John Shelby Spong


"There is no such thing as the American religion, for we are a country of over seventy-five faith traditions. The proper role of religion is to link core values, to cooperate, to respect all people, to promote peace, justice, and compassion, and to protect the weak, poor, and the environment. Today, politics have become a form of religion. We need freedom for and from that kind of religion. Religion should command, inspire hope, and build bridges between other faiths and to those with no faith at all. ” -Father Mike. Rev. Dr. Welton Gaddy, leader of the Interfaith Alliance Foundation

“To change the world we must become receptacles of God’s love, understanding and goodwill. We must have faith, not merely of the mind, but of the heart that surrenders the whole man to the divine inflow…moral action links personal salvation directly to social responsibility...This country was built by spiritual progressives. Spiritual progressives are the center and we are not a mushy middle. The new bottom line is not new at all; it was already articulated by the Puritans. The Puritans were about charity, not power, and that is the true American tradition. We radical spiritual activists are the heart of the American tradition.”- Robert Inchausti


“There are two Christianities in our midst. One worships a punitive father and seeks obedience at all costs. It is patriarchal, demonizes woman, the earth, science, gays, lesbians, and deep thought. It builds on fear and it supports empire-builders. Its theology includes a punitive father in the sky and teaches original sin. The other Christianity recognizes the original blessing that all beings derive from. We recognize awe, not sin, not guilt, as the starting point of true religion. We recognize a divinity who is source of all things and is as much mother as father, as much female as male. We honor creation and diversity. When God created everything, He pronounced it all good.

"We are here to make love to life. Yes, we are here to make love to life. Delight in creation and take your dreams into our politics and institutions. We live in the midst of a suicidal economy, motivated by love of money. We have reached a dead end. What we need to turn it around are hearts in love with life. How do we do it? We first must move from domination to partnership, and we begin by educating our young in awe and wonder, not how to take tests. Awe leads to reverence, which leads to gratitude, which will reinvent our species. This is the task of our generation: to regain awe. The three Rs need to be balanced by the ten Cs: contemplation, creativity, chaos, compassion, courage, critical consciousness, community, celebration, ceremony, and character."-Matthew Fox


-excerpted from Chapter 2: The Revolution has started now...
http://www.wearewideawake.org/

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More precience from that most excellent scold C. Lasch
Posted by: CajunCountry on Aug 15, 2006 6:25 AM   
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Had to go dig out my own heavily marked up and annotated copy of 'The Culture of Narcissism' which I've been carrying around for so long, through at least 6 moves...the cover price is $2.95, if that suffices to date it for ya'll.

"To the performing self, the only reality is the indentity he can construct out of materials furnished by advertising and mass culture, themes of popular film and fiction, and the fragments torn from a vast range of cutural traditions, all of them equally contemporaneous to the contemporary mind." Chistopher Lasch

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You hit the nail on the head...
Posted by: JohnnyM on Aug 15, 2006 6:27 AM   
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With this article, you have summed up America (& the entire Western world) today and why it has so many problems...

Your public figures, whether politicians, movie "stars," atheletes, et al are all narcissitic and yet the public feeds this sickness by buying "People" and other trash. Our heroes are egomaniacs who are out of control. It's a one-way street; they don't give a shit if you die, get cancer, etc but if it their life is affected it's a public tragedy. Their "PR" people milk it to the bone.

But as you point out, it's not just public figures who are narcissistic. So are my neighbours, my peers, former boss, former employees. To "make it" today means stepping on others. The justifications for this behaviour are child-like. The VP's and President in my former (well-known) company set the example, and they're still on the playground. So in order to make it in this company you had to act like them. Extremely aggressive (not assertive) and don't let anything get in your way. This is why the best salespeople in the industry, in this case the software industry, are all liars. They say what needs to be said, whether it resembles the truth or not. They are the modern-day used-car salespeople (only they dress nice). They'll do anything for that external gratification because it really doesn't exist inside them. They know, deep down, that what they do is wrong, but where they spend the majority of their time (at work) - they are surrounded by people who say they're great and "keep up the good work."

So the problem is systemic and therefore, I regret, hopeless. Your entire culture, and mine, is based on "isolating the winner," no matter how they win, at the expense of the ten "losers." Just participating anymore means nothing, and this starts very early in life (about the time most westerners hit their maturity-peak).

For a whole country to go through a paradigm shift in thinking is impossible, unless they are shook to the ground at home. Like Germany was in 1945.

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» Good grief. Take a trip. Posted by: ABetterFuture
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» Not so. Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: You hit the nail on the head... Posted by: albrechtkrausse
Indeed
Posted by: CajunCountry on Aug 15, 2006 7:52 AM   
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But for 'egomaniacs', which lacks a certain precision, I'd substitute 'sociopaths'.

How to think about a society in which a strikingly ignorant underwear model now commands a net worth of over half a billion dollars? And we shamelessly export the glorification of a loud, empty, destructive and criminal 'thug culture' as our most 'valuable' commodity.

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Narcissism
Posted by: Lizmv on Aug 15, 2006 8:14 AM   
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Having a mother who is clinically narcissistic, I am all too familiar with the patterns. The first time I heard Bush talk, I recognized it.

I am in the middle of reading The Great Turning by David Korten. One paragraph that stood out for me:
" It is for good reason that history provides few examples of wise and benevolent Kings. Only the most ruthlessly ambitious are capable of the violence and treachery required to reach the highest levels of power in an imperial system. Those of sound mind and mature ethical sensibility are prone to withdraw voluntarily, and those of less mature sensibilities are likely to eliminate those of more mature sensibility who attempt to stay the course without sacrificing their principles. It is not simply that power corrupts. more to the point, it is the corrupt who are the most highly motivated to seek absolute power."

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PET TRAINING
Posted by: Roverton on Aug 15, 2006 8:18 AM   
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Celebs train us to worship another human being. To glorify someone who is identical to us, short of their hearty dose of financial backing.

98 cents worth of water and minerals.

We are only better people by how well we tend to others, not ourselves.

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» With proper marketing... Posted by: MatthewSavage
THIS ARTICLE IS TOO SUPERFICIAL!
Posted by: krose on Aug 15, 2006 8:31 AM   
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NARCISSISM IS DEEPLY ROOTED, & HIDES A POOR SELF-ESTEEM! One would never know it, but that is its "purpose," to hide it. It is created by an overly-indulgent (or very depriving) parent, and is EXTREMELY difficult to live with, for the adult spouse of that person. (How many wives did Guiliani and Newtie have? How many girlfriends did Bill and Arnold have? etc. etc. etc.) These people need to be "ADORED," over, and over, and over, again! They need that positive reinforcement, (in some way), as if it were a drug! THEY ARE, IN FACT, "DRUGGED" BY THEIR OWN SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT, THEIR OWN SENSE OF ARROGANCE! THINK G.W. BUSH ("I AM THE DECIDER!") No matter how many of our servicemen die in Iraq, no matter how many are wounded and permanently maimed (I heard yesterday the number to be well over 20,000), Bush will NOT change course! This is not because of principle, but because of NARCISSISTIC ARROGANCE! To do otherwise, would SHAME HIM, & this would prove extremely embarrassing. Narcissists CANNOT ADMIT FAULT, CANNOT APOLOGIZE, CANNOT SAY THEY ARE SORRY, & CANNOT ADMIT WHEN THEY HAVE MADE A MISTAKE! And so the war rages on. Our young sons and daughters continue to die, and to be maimed, both physically and psychologically. Our resources continue to be depleted in a country that hates us, and where we are not wanted. We are making more and more enemies all over the world. All this, because "Georgie" cannot say he made a mistake, and because he and his minions need a LOT of PSYCHOLOGICAL HELP! ALTHOUGH, TO BE QUITE FRANK, THE PSYCHOTHERAPUTIC TREATMENT OF PATHOLOGICAL NARCISSISM DOES NOT HAVE A GOOD OUTCOME! THE ONLY GOOD TREATMENT FOR THESE GUYS IS FOR A REAL UPRISING OF "WE THE PEOPLE!" I'M READY. (ARE YOU?)

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Nuts with Guns and Advertising
Posted by: particle on Aug 15, 2006 9:02 AM   
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From Overconfidence is a disadvantage in war, finds study at NewScientist:

"Those who launched unprovoked attacks also exhibited more narcissism, scoring 13 out of 15 on a standard psychological test. More peaceful types scored 11 on average on the same test. The trend applied to both men and women. “So it's not maleness per se but narcissism that makes some people overly optimistic and aggressive,” suggests Bertram Malle at the University of Oregon in Eugene, US. "

You know things are FUBAR when people so obviously, so obnoxiously flawed and undeserving can remain in charge of the world's most powerful democracy. What is this, one big village of idiots?

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A nation of narcissists
Posted by: sweetlou on Aug 15, 2006 9:09 AM   
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We are becoming a nation of idle narcissists, worshipping at altars to the self via facebook and MySpace. It's a chicken/egg thing. Are we slowly becoming more like our "leaders," or are our leaders simply becoming more like us?

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Narcissists vs. sociopaths
Posted by: psstmom on Aug 15, 2006 9:12 AM   
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I highly recommend an interview with Martha Stout, PhD, the author of The Sociopath Next Door: The Ruthless Versus The Rest of Us (Broadway Books, 2005)

Be sure to read the section titled: "13 Rules for Dealing with Sociopaths in Everyday Life" -- unfortunately, I hadn't seen this list at the time I really needed it a couple of years ago.

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This afflicts our whole society
Posted by: SufiLizard on Aug 15, 2006 11:59 AM   
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Though this article just scratches the surface, I think it's a great place to start in assessing many of the world's problems today.

I have actually said to a few people that today's generation puts the traditional "Me Generation" to shame.

I think this trend explains why Religion is so completely off track (particularly Christianity and Islam), as well as the political environment of the world today.

Sadly, I think the left is just as susceptible to this disease though it manifests slightly differently. I think Dems like Hillary, Joe Lieberman, Evan Bayh, etc. demonstrate a bit of the narcissism as well as some of the more radical liberals and some of the so-called "limousine liberals."

Even Michael Moore, of whom I am a fan, seems to succumb too much to his ego - though I would argue the consequences of this flaw is not nearly as severe with Mr. Moore as it is with Bush Inc.

I think the obsession with self is a pervasive problem and to one degree or another I think most of us could find symptoms of it in our own lives - if we're being completely honest.

Overcoming addiction to self is something I think religion SHOULD be used for, but unfortunately this seems to be getting rarer.

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This Reminds of "Psychopaths In Suits"
Posted by: kwfryatl on Aug 15, 2006 1:47 PM   
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A must read interview:
Psychopaths In Suits

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Pathological self-aggrandizement vs. Holy/holistic community health
Posted by: vand on Aug 15, 2006 2:23 PM   
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This is the "human dilemma"-what Pogo meant when he said "We have met the enemy... and it is Us." Our survival reflexes impel us to gain access to resources "selfishly"/competitively ("old" brain), while our "newer brain" processes information more "consciously" from an expanded perspective which can involve more foresight, empathy, cooperation, etc. Enculturation can emphasize one or the other through socialization, education, language, etc. Ethical/philosophical/spiritual/scientific traditions have attempted to encourage the latter for millenia, obviously with limited success. Perhaps with the current catastrophic climate(s) and an unprecedented (though fledgling) honest and benevolent communication network(s) we can work our way through fearful, narcissistic, empire building warfare to an
"enlightened" global mutualism/equitable resource sharing. I am sure of this, though: an inclusive language of selfless, reverent peace and cooperation must evolve to dispel/displace the contemporary exclusivist language of "terror"/empire/power/security/ignorance. Do you suppose the "People of the Book" can ever be on "the same page" of genuine mutual respect and cooperation? When it must come from a powerful, profound sense of non-egotistical wonder, joy and love that is shared in theory and Practice? "Cultural creatives", where are we? And what on earth are we going to do with all those weapons and their manufacturers? And all the nuclear waste?

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Ripcord
Posted by: Ripcord on Aug 15, 2006 2:26 PM   
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A fool sees himself as another,
a wise man sees others as himself.
Dogen (1200-1253) in Uchiyama, "Refining your Life."

I distinguish between common narcissism and pathological narcissism.

The pathological narcissist is sociopathic, almost beyond healing. Before entering the pyschiatrist's office he pees on the bush (no pun intended) by the entryway. And then gleefully tells the shrink what he just did. No way to pierce this armor.

For the rest of us, some mind training might help.
See Chogyam Trungpa, "Training the Mind."

"tonglen" in Tibetan means to Give and Take.
"tong" -- giving;
"len" -- taking.

Take in the bad from your enemy.
Give him all your good.

1. Grandiosity.
Take Bush's Magical Thinking.
Give him your meekness.

2. Specialness.
Take Bush's propaganda.
Give him your pureness of heart, "nothing special," see Shunryu Suzuki, "Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind."

3. Fantasies.
Take Bush's fantasy of Democracy for Iraq.
Give him your poorness, your bankrupt spirit.

4. Need for Admiration.
Take Bush's envy of power.
Give him your peacefulness.

5. Sense of Entitlement.
Take Bush's worry of terrorism.
Given him your thirst for truth.

6. Exploitation.
Take Bush's scapegoats: Powell, Brownie, Tenant, Valarie Plame.
Give him your last pawn ticket (redemption.)

7. Lack of Empathy.
Take Bush's Shamelessness.
Give him your mindfulness.

8. Envy.
Take all the lost young heroes for Bush.
Give them agape, unconditional love.

9. Arrogance.
Take Cheney's and Rumsfeld's spin.
Give them your humility.

It may seem completely impractical to take in the poison from the ivy bush,
and give back what little goodness you have.

But training your mind in this way becomes balanced in the long run. We begin to see that taking-giving/bad-good are interdependent.

We begin to take on the suffering of others and see those others as ourselves.
If there is some hope for us common narcissists,
there may be hope for the pathological narcissist.

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» RE: ipcord Posted by: talkville
» RE: ipcord Posted by: krose
Ever see the movie "The Corporation"?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Aug 15, 2006 3:08 PM   
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I just watched it for the first time, and the list of behaviors that the film includes are quite similar to those listed above. See the movie website, http://www.thecorporation.com/ for more details. The centerpiece is the use of the personality diagnostic checklist of the World Health Organization's Manual of Mental Disorders to analyze the typical corporate personality.

The diagnosis is similar to that of narcissism; it is that of a criminal psychopath. The people who work within the corporate environment must adopt narcissism as a coping mechanism, since they probably don't want to view themselves as criminal psychopaths. They've got their blinders on - a classic example of the effects of cognitive dissonance and framing on the human mind. Point out that a narcissist is a criminal, and they look all hurt, "Who, me? But I'm a good person - everyone says so!"

Here is the definition of antisocial pyschopathic personality disorder (note the similarities to narcissism):

"The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, a widely used manual for diagnosing mental and behavioral disorders, defines antisocial personality disorder as a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:

*Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest

*Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure

*Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead

*Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults

*Reckless disregard for safety of self or others

*Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain steady work or honor financial obligations

*Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another"

This could all be more succinctly stated as "Corporate Culture Is Really Horrible". The solution? Repeal of the legal fiction of corporate personhood; making shareholders personally liable for the actions of their business (just like every small businessperson in the US is); and a new law stating that one corporation cannot own another (i.e. putting an end to the 'holding company' shell game that Enron loved so much). Oh yes - and kick the corporations out of the nation's university system - repeal Bayh-Dole.

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The Truth is Not Out There
Posted by: sofla100 on Aug 15, 2006 3:10 PM   
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Too many people are looking for the truth or the answer outside of themselves so they turn to celebreties or whatever. There is no "objective truth" out there, there are no answers out there. If you think there are, you have just given away some of yourself and your own power and authority.

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» RE: The Truth is Not Out There Posted by: talkville
Whew! Glad only republicans are self-loving egomaniacs!
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Aug 15, 2006 4:32 PM   
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Donald Trump, George W. Bush, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rudy Giuliani, Donald Rumsfeld, Rush Limbaugh, Paris Hilton and any number of other public figures leap to mind.

(Paris Hilton doesn't count politically because she always calls in her "vote" during the commercial break.)

But what a relief! I'm glad that the dems are so pious, so beautiful, so worthy, so high among us that they never spring to the minds of the unwashed masses as being prideful, selfish, arrogant and petty. Why, until just this moment, I thought that the Capital dirty schmuck club was a bi-partisan working group, with the caveat that republicans do hold control of the meetings.

Increasingly, the nation's idea of collective welfare is defined by measures of individual attainment...

As an aside, I loved the idea that somehow--some way--if we can make individuals less well off, we'll make "The Collective" somehow better. My only question is what is the author's society/collective made up of? Lug nuts? Peanuts? Plain nuts?

Or...could it be...made up of...individuals? Who want to eat? Who want a roof? Who want to be proud of a job they've accomplished? Who want to be compensated for said job?

But, if the author would really like to improve this fictional creature known as The Collective, I'll draw her one! (with an adequate description, of course). She can send me a check, care of said The Collective. And there you go! She is worse off as an individual, accomplishing her primary goal, and The Collective is better off, as a close second to making happy people less so! And, after I shred The Collective (it's just a fictional creature on a piece paper, people, c'mon), I (as the primary beneficiary) can use the proceeds to buy a bus pass! And get to work! And buy some food! And save so that I can own a place to live! And my society will be better off! Because I paid bus fare! And I bought new sheetrock at the hardware store! And accomplished a small bit of scientific research at work! And my bus driver can buy a house too! As can the hardware clerk!

Actually, I'm pretty far along on those goals anyway, but she's still more than welcome to send The Collective a donation. Isn't it great to look for ways to make everyone happy, especially writers who professionally loathe a society that gives them voice? But hey--you've got to pay the bills somehow, and I guess as long as she betters herself as an individual through her writing, no one should criticize her for persuing her self-interests.

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» Elaborate, please. Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: laborate, please. Posted by: talkville
Narcissism
Posted by: dblck on Aug 15, 2006 5:54 PM   
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unh...narcissism...I think in most cultures of people of color it's referred to as "white-man's" disease...seems to exist in pandemic proportions through out the "west"...hmmm...wonder why?

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» RE: Narcissism Posted by: talkville
The New Individualism
Posted by: talkville on Aug 15, 2006 5:58 PM   
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The new ideal and socially constructed "individual" is the solipsist. Go Thatcher! Go Reagan! et al........

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What individual 'self'?
Posted by: NowYogi on Aug 15, 2006 6:35 PM   
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This essay, and the responses, are based on the basic human delusion that an individual separate 'self' exists...

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» Har. Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: What individual 'self'? Posted by: talkville
» Is this another "nothing" joke? Posted by: Sojourner
Generation Me
Posted by: TerryS on Aug 16, 2006 12:57 AM   
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Another excellent article.

A very good book on the subject is
"Generation Me", extremely well researched,
but also very entertaining to read. The author,
Jean Twenge has a very breezy style and gives
lots of examples from pop culture.

Ms. Twenge argues that the self-esteem movement
is to blame for this change in our culture.
Personally I think she has it wrong, the
self-esteem movement is a symptom, not the cause.

What's changed over the last 30 years?
Americans are now spending an average of over
4 hours per day in front of the TV.

It used to be that if you wanted stimulation
or entertainment you had to go to other people.
(There aren't very few people who can read for
4 hours per day, every day.) And being entertained
by a real person, meant that you had to make an
effort. As in walking over to that person's house,
being personable, holding up your end of the
conversation. It also meant being tolerant of that
person's imperfections. If the conversation lagged,
or their joke fell flat, you can't just point the
clicker at them and change the channel.

It used to be that most people could sing (and
knew many songs), quote poetry (from doggerel
to Shakespeare), dance folk dances, engage in
the art of conversation. Now all these skills
have been corporatized, and we pay artists to
entertain us while we sit back and watch.

Obviously there have been many narcissists, and
even narcissistic societies before TV. But TV
is a unique technology for training large numbers
of people to be extremely self-centered.

Children are spending huge amounts of time watching
TV instead of playing, and play (with adults and
other children) is how kids develop their minds,
develop their empathy, and joy in spending time
with other people.

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End war by embracing narcissism
Posted by: Torgo on Aug 16, 2006 8:37 AM   
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To End All Wars

"We must learn to love our children and grandchildren more than we do the state."


This article on my favorite site lewrockwell.com encourages us to develop more narrow ego boundaries. It seems to me that lots of collectivist Alternet posters would condemn this as selfishness, narcissism, etc. But as the author states, "it is the essence of responsible behavior for individuals to experience all the costs of undertakings of which they approve."

The flip side of this is that it is the essence of justice for individuals to experience all the benefits of undertakings in which they participate. For this reason, I don't begrudge the narcissism of the successful, as long as neither force nor fraud is the basis for their success. Unfortunately, nearly every Alternet article (or at least several comments by posters) carries the stench of envy.

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» RE: but read again "Ripcord" Posted by: Ripcord
The opposite of narcissism is compassion
Posted by: audleman on Aug 16, 2006 10:30 AM   
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Almost every comment so far has been a very negative attack on narcissism. That's too bad, because hatred has no power to help narcissists. I suffer from narcissism (though it's very hard to admit it), and it's so hurtful to label myself that. I can't stand it. I've been so hurt in my life I can't take even one more blow to my self esteem.

So why is everybody raging and yelling at the narcissists? What they need is compassion and understanding. Admittedly, narcissism is one of the hardest things to cure as the narcissist can block everyone else out. I hate to admit it but it's probably too late to help those who are already grown up and able to support themselves (or even worse, command power). So let's turn around and focus on the next generation. If those kids get real, genuine understanding from another human being at an early enough age, within a generation or two we could watch narcissism disappear.

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» A word on compassionate acts... Posted by: ABetterFuture