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Public Stoning: Not Just for the Taliban Anymore

By John Sugg, Creative Loafing (Atlanta). Posted August 15, 2006.


Christian reconstructionists believe democracy is heresy and public school is satanic -- and they've got more influence than you think.
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Two really devilish guys materialized in Toccoa, Ga., last month to harangue 600 true believers on the gospel of a thoroughly theocratic America. Along with lesser lights of the religious far right who spoke at American Vision's "Worldview Super Conference 2006," Herb Titus and Gary North called for nothing short of the overthrow of the United States of America.

Titus and North aren't household names. But Titus, former dean of TV preacher Pat Robertson's Regent University law school, has led the legal battle to plant the Ten Commandants in county courthouses across the nation. North, an apostle of the creed called Christian Reconstructionism, is one of the most influential elders of American fundamentalism.

"I don't want to capture their (mainstream Americans') system. I want to replace it," fumed North to a cheering audience. North has called for the stoning of gays and nonbelievers (rocks are cheap and plentiful, he has observed). Both friends and foes label him "Scary Gary."

Are we in danger of an American Taliban? Probably not today. But Alabama's "Ten Commandments Judge" Roy Moore is aligned with this congregation, and one-third of Alabama Republicans who voted in the June primary supported him. When you see the South Dakota legislature outlaw abortions, the Reconstructionist agenda is at work. The movement's greatest success is in Christian home schooling, where many, if not most, of the textbooks are Reconstructionist-authored tomes.

Moreover, the Reconstructionists are the folks behind attacks on science and public education. They're allied with proselytizers who have tried to convert Air Force cadets -- future pilots with fingers on nuclear triggers -- into religious zealots. Like the communists of the 1930s, they exert tremendous stealth political gravity, drawing many sympathizers in their wake, and their friends now dominate the Republican Party in many states.

Titus' and North's speeches, laced with conspiracy theories about the Rockefellers and the Trilateral Commission, were more Leninist than Christian in the tactics proposed -- as in their vision to use freedom to destroy the freedom of others. That's not surprising -- the founder of Christian Reconstruction, the late fringe Calvinist theologian Rousas J. Rushdoony, railed against the "heresy" of democracy.

A Harvard-bred lawyer whose most famous client is Alabama's Judge Moore, Titus told the Toccoa gathering that the Second Amendment envisions the assassination of "tyrants;" that's why we have guns. Tyranny, of course, is subjective to these folks. Their imposition of a theocratic state would not, by their standards, be tyranny. Public schools, on the other hand, to them are tyrannical.

North is best known to Internet users for his prolific auguring that a Y2K computer bug would cause the calamitous end of civilization. In the days prior to the advent of this millennium, North urged subscribers to his delusional economic newsletters to go survivalist and prepare for the end. Many did so, dumping investments and life savings, a big oops.

"I lost a million and a half dollars when I sold off real estate," one of North's fans, a home-schooling advocate from Florida, told me during a lunch break between lectures touting creationism and damning secular humanism. But my lunch companion still anted more than pocket change to hear North make more prophesies in Toccoa. "I believe Gary North on Bible issues," he explained. I suggested that false prophets often pocket big profits, but I was talking to deaf ears.

Hosting the "Creation to Revelation... Connecting the Dots" event was a Powder Springs, Ga., publishing house, American Vision, whose pontiff is Gary DeMar. The outfit touts the antebellum South as a righteous society and favors the reintroduction of some forms of slavery (it's sanctioned in the Bible, Reconstructionists say) -- which may explain the blindingly monochrome audience at the gathering.


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John Sugg is senior editor of Creative Loafing Newspapers. He was the recipient of the 2005 Society of Professional Journalists "Green Eyeshade" award for serious commentary, and he has won more than 30 other significant awards.

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Posted by: Aussie Kim on Aug 15, 2006 1:10 AM   
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""I lost a million and a half dollars when I sold off real estate," one of North's fans, a home-schooling advocate from Florida, told me during a lunch break between lectures touting creationism and damning secular humanism"

GOOD!

The Chronically Stupid should not be allowed to have money.

As a wise person once said "you can tell what God thinks of money by the people He gives it to".

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worry more about
Posted by: rsaxto on Aug 15, 2006 3:46 AM   
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We need to worry more about the religious extreme nuts in our own country than about the Talibanic extreme nuts elsewhere in the world. If American democracy is overthrown it is much more likely to be overthrown by Bushie-loved American nuts than it is to be overthrown by foreign nuts.

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Who Needs Enemies When You Have "Christians"
Posted by: ChristopherLL on Aug 15, 2006 3:49 AM   
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I lived with people discussed in this article for many years in Alabama. I have lived throughout this country and as a group they were the most unethical and immoral human beings (behind closed doors) that I have ever experienced. They are utterably miserable inside and their cowardly behavior is to compensate by gaining power over others by subversion, defamation and condemnation. But as for being "Christians" it is so only by their self label and not by actions, deeds or attitudes. They are devoid of compassion, forgiveness or basic human understanding. They will never be anything but impotent in the real world and only need to be given a confined area to vent their resentments about life on this planet. That is all they can do. Should they venture out of the South to other parts of this country my belief is they will wither and self destruct. The sooner the better.

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Public Stoning should be fun for the whole family
Posted by: pitty on Aug 15, 2006 3:52 AM   
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North has called for the stoning of gays and nonbelievers (rocks are cheap and plentiful, he has observed).

Now this is just insanity. Who made this guy god and when people fled England to escape relgious tyranny and these guys want to bring it back---with them at the helm playing God's surrogates of course.

How convenient and touching---

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FUN da MENTAL List - You too can enjoy being in a religious whacko cult
Posted by: marklar on Aug 15, 2006 4:10 AM   
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Life as we know it is endangered by the unwillingness of politicians and the corporate media to have any expose or discussion of two subjects.

1) Evangelical Christian Fundamentalist
CNN (Christian News Network) panders to the "faithful" all day long. / Howard Dean once made a reference to the Extremist Fundamentalist Preachers and was attacked into submission for fear of alienizing the cults mindless followers.
(As if they'd ever vote for a Vermont Democrat.) Evangelicals are a violent terrorist cult that wants to take over the nation, destroy the Constitution and repace it with the bible. No one has the huevos to stand up to them.

2)Izrael Lobby & Izraels OCCUPATION/apartheid of Palestine.
Shhhh. Don't want to upset the Jewish angst, do we? Who needs to talk about Izraels ongoing slow handed ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Shhh.

These are the two most serious threats to our democracy today.

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I know it's fun to think about but,
Posted by: Dobby on Aug 15, 2006 5:30 AM   
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there is a difference between crazy religious, yet very sincere, rhetoric and actually throwing stones at a person untill they die. comparing these people to the taliban is fuckin' ridiculous, no? help me out.

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re "Titus' and North's speeches"
Posted by: concerned Canadian on Aug 15, 2006 5:32 AM   
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Of course, who but a fellow Reconstructionist would even remotely agree with their take that they have God in their hip pocket, but fortunately for those who would argue from a democracy perspective we are able to deconstruct their arguments and find them lacking in logic. However, it diminishes your own logic if you continue to claim that their "speeches are laced with conspiracy theories about the Rockerfellers and the Trilateral Commission. " You fall into the same trap as those we warn ourselves to watch out for. Is this a subtle , or not so subtle, plant article meant to equate conspiracy theorists with the likes of Titus and North, obvious self righteous wannabes? Can we please, Alter Net, at least edit these kinds of postings?

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OIY!
Posted by: wawa on Aug 15, 2006 5:43 AM   
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"Soon after I had published the pamphlet "Common Sense" [on Feb. 14, 1776] in America, I saw the exceeding probability that a revolution in the system of government would be followed by a revolution in the system of religion... The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion."-Tom Paine

It has been said that evolution is being held up by fundamentalism and the surge of fundamentalism throughout all faith paths sends shivers through cynical atheists and mystics alike. The bumper sticker actually did get it right: "We are spiritual beings having a human experience."

Fundamentalism thrives on FEAR and FEAR is how totalitarian regimes control the massess.

The problem is NOT with Christianity, the problem is that so very FEW have actually done it!"-GK Chesterton


"Christainity is a great religion. THEY should all try it!"-Gandhi

We who are wide awake are doing something about confronting the hijacking of The Prince of Peace AKA: Jesus Christ, by the right wing neo-con, neo-christian's who have so misunderstood and corrupted the Philosophy of Christ which is ALL about love, forgiveness, compassion, and NOT judging the non-believer, but to see The Divine in everyone and all of creation.

The following quote is from Rev. Jim Wallis
Chapter 2: The Revolution has started now...
http://www.wearewideawake.org Homepage:

"The good news is that there are millions more who are not represented by the Falwells and the Dobsons, and they are raising their voices and doing something about confronting the hijacking of the Bible to further political gain. All faith traditions battle with fundamentalism. Religion is meant to be a bridge, not a wedge. The seduction of the religious right by politicians is being challenged by our rapidly spreading grassroots sojourners community that stands up with a firm moral center and echoes Lincoln’s refrain: what is needed today is reflection, penitence, humility, accountability, and that we should all seek to be on God’s side.

"There are over three thousand verses in the Bible referring to the poor; this is the moral issue of our time. There are also the moral issues of poverty, ecology, and war; it is the church’s job to address these moral issues, too. Separation of church and state does not mean the segregation of religion from the human dialogue….

"Our deepest choices are between hope and compassion. Hope is not a feeling or a state of mind, but an abiding choice you make because you have faith. Faith is supposed to change things that look impossible to be changed. Cynicism sees the world as it is and gives up trying to change it. Cynicism is a buffer against commitment….

"History testifies to the fact that all great changes came about by social justice movements that were based on faith and religious values. America has a proud history of progressive spiritual activism. We are the ones we have been waiting for. We can change the nation when we change the wind, and people of faith are called to be wind changers.”





"If enough Christians followed the gospel, they could bring any state to its knees." - Father Philip Francis Berrigan

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The bull has two horns that we must grab - today.
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Aug 15, 2006 5:49 AM   
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We have two groups with aims that don't conflict sharing power that will destroy our country. The sincere religious right has no concern for wealth when weighed against religiious issues and the corporate establishment has no concern for religious issues when weighed against wealth. A perfect recipe for a coalition against those of us who care about our freedom to pursue both.

Until we the people rise up and get both these groups out of our government we are on the path to destruction. We need "government of the people, by the people, and for the people". We need the separation of the corporatocracy and state as well as the separation of church and state.

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Paranoid and Intolerant Progressives!!
Posted by: Poe on Aug 15, 2006 6:00 AM   
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There is no radical Christian fringe movement that can take over this country.

It’s not happening now, and it won’t in the future. We have enough checks and balances in this country to keep it on an even keel.

The same people that fear and hate the religious right in this country are the same people who feel that the small percentage of Islamist extremist....sorry.....I mean....confused young men and women who like to blow themselves up.......have a just cause for their bloody tactics..

I don’t agree with Bush and the religious right’s stance on gay marriage, stem cell research and abortion....but I would hardly call those views extreme.

Progressive’s proclaim how open minded they are about other cultures. Tolerant of someone else’s lifestyle. But when it comes to religious poor folks, particularly from the South, I hear terms like,yahoo’s, bubba’s, hicks, hags.rednecks and my favorite, stupid toothless rednecks.

Call them anything you want....that’s ok....they’re from the southern bible belt, but when we talk about plots to blow planes out of the sky......we have to be delicate with our words so we don’t offend anyone.

What a fucking joke!!





Poe

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Not So Rich
Posted by: not- so Rich on Aug 15, 2006 6:04 AM   
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I say give them the South. Who needs it? I don't like grits anyway.

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You want a real scare
Posted by: sausage on Aug 15, 2006 6:17 AM   
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The above mentioned Gary North not only was an associate of the late R.J. Rushdoony, but his son-in-law. North is a regular columnist for the libertarian web site LewRockwell.com.

But even scarier that North, who seems more interested in making a killing from investments than saving souls, is Rushdoony's The Chalcedon Foundation.
"We believe that the whole Word of God must be applied to all of life. It is not only our duty as individuals, families and churches to be Christian, but it is also the duty of the state, the school, the arts and sciences, law, economics, and every other sphere to be under Christ the King. Nothing is exempt from His dominion. We must live by His Word, not our own.

"Chalcedon's activities include foundational and leadership roles in Christian reconstruction. Our emphasis on the Cultural or Dominion Mandate (Genesis 1:28) and the necessity of a return to Biblical Law has been a crucial factor in the challenge to Humanism by Christians in this country and elsewhere. Chalcedon's involvement in and commitment to Christian education began with its inception when founder Rousas John Rushdoony pinpointed the Christian and home schools as the most important institutions in reversing the influence of secular Humanism."

Chalcedon Ministry statement

"A guiding principle of Chalcedon, in fact, is its devotion to maximum individual freedom under God's law. Chalcedon derives its name from the great ecclesiastical council of Chalcedon (A.D. 451), which produced the crucial Christological definition of Jesus Christ as God of very God and Man of very man, a formula directly challenging every false claim of divinity by any human institution: state, church, cult, schools, or human assembly. Christ alone is both God and man, the unique link between heaven and earth. All human power is therefore derivative; only Christ may announce that "All power [authority] is given unto me in heaven and earth" (Matthew 28:18). Historically, therefore, the Chalcedonian creed is the foundation of Western liberty, setting limits on all authoritarian human institutions by acknowledging the validity of the claims of the One who is the source of all human freedom (Galatians 5:1). Consequently, we oppose top-heavy, authoritarian systems of government which are, by definition, non-Christian. We advocate instead a series of independent but cooperative institutions and a highly decentralized social order.
Chalcedon Vision statement

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DOMINIONISM REDUX
Posted by: LMNOP on Aug 15, 2006 6:30 AM   
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Christianity is antithetical to (a) democracy - the concept of majority rule and self-governance, (b) egalitarianism - the concept of all people being equal, (c) humanism - the idea that man is capable of making valuable contributions in human knowledge and well being, and (d) environmentalism - the idea that the earth is rare and valuable and needs to be protected.

These are from a couple of previous posts:

"[D]emocracy and theocracy are antithetical. Democracy requires that people write the laws and are the ultimate source of political power, a bottom-up approach to government. Theocracy requires the opposite, a top-down approach in which all power is in the hands of those who claim to speak for God, and all laws are already written and non-negotiable. Both systems cannot coexist simultaneously."

... and these three, the first and last of which are most relevant to the discussion at hand:

"Christianity teaches three pernicious “facts” that have profound implications for our ability to survive our transition from the age of religion through the ages of technological discovery and implementation and into the spiritual age:

1. The earth and the entire physical universe are unimportant. They are a stage through which we pass for the blink of an eye compared to the eternity that follows. They are disposable. The universe is made of an inferior substance, matter, the inferior form that God had to assume to pay your way into the vastly superior world of immateriality: heaven. They will all be destroyed very soon in war and fire, so there is nothing there that can be protected or that needs protecting.

2. All life below human is soulless and is the property of man to exploit as he sees fit without concern for suffering.

3. Man has no good ideas and can contribute nothing of value to the fund of human knowledge all of which comes only from scripture. All valuable knowledge is in the Bible and is timeless. All other thinking is vanity. Government that is not authoritarian and God-centered is invalid. Man has no right, just gifts from God. Humanity is worthless and, like all other flesh and matter, is unfit to be in the presence of God.

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Dominionist activity listed at theocracywatch.org
Posted by: jreinhart1 on Aug 15, 2006 6:47 AM   
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This website is a MUST READ and identifies the history, people and activities to convert the US into a theocracy. It also has up to date information on recent activities.

The organizations such as the Religious Roundtable are highly connected with Senators. Then there are the usual groups that believe that all other Christian faiths are made up of non-believers. The groups can get militant and are very agressive to turning this country back to the dark ages. Diseases and disorders are God's punishment. I used to be one of them and the brainwashing they perform made me think that Satan was everywhere and that God's chosen were above the law such as killing John Lennon for making the song "Imagine" to death to all leaders that don't follow America and their form of Christianity.

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Who needs Al Qaeda?
Posted by: Ellen Remore on Aug 15, 2006 7:23 AM   
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So another gang of devout Christians is heard from. This time, they want to stone "unbelievers" and assassinate "tyrants?" Maybe somebody can explain to me why freedom-loving Bush doesn't consider these psychopaths terrorists and/or potential evildoers. Oh, wait, that's right--just like him, they have Jesus on speed-dial.

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LeeAnnG
Posted by: LeeAnnG on Aug 15, 2006 7:42 AM   
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Has anyone else out there read Shirley Jackson's short story "The Lottery"? This lends a whole new creepiness to that little horror tale.

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CHRISTIANS
Posted by: Roverton on Aug 15, 2006 8:07 AM   
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CHRISTIANS:

IF WE ARE TRUE TO CHRIST'S WORDS, WE WILL DENOUNCE THE HATRED BEING SPREAD TO OTHER GROUPS. WE WILL APPROACH IN LOVE AND SEEK TO MAKE AMMENDS.

IF OUR PASTOR HAS TOLD US TO SHUN AND HATE ANOTHER - HE IS SATANICALLY POSSESSED AND WE IN TURN SHALL FOLLOW FOR OBEY HIS WORDS.

IF WE TAKE ARMS AGAINST ANOTHER MAN IN OUR OWN LAND, MUCH LESS THEIR OWN - WE ARE FOLLOWING THE ORDRERS OF THE DEVIL. HE HAS TRICKED US. WE WILL THEN HAVE FOUND OUT TOO LATE.

IF WE ARE VIOLENT TOWARDS THE UNARMED, WE WILL BE DEMONIC.

GOD HELP US BE STRONG. WE WILL BE TESTED.

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