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Lieberman's Loss Makes Cheney Talk Terror
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Chutzpah doesn't even begin to describe the Vice President of the United States suggesting that the outcome of the Connecticut primary might embolden "al Qaeda types". Sure, and the final tally on So You Think You Can Dance will really give them the greenlight: "Travis beat Benji? The infidels must die!"
The argument is as phony as Joe Lieberman's claim that he's running as an independent for the sake of his party and his country.
The GOP message machine knows how ludicrous it is to keep tying the war in Iraq to the war on terror, but they also know how effective it has been. So there they go again, with Cheney claiming that Lieberman was "pushed aside because of his willingness to support an aggressive posture in terms of our national security."
Cheney knows damn well that, far from making us safer, "an aggressive posture" on Iraq has had the exact opposite effect. In a survey of 100 top foreign-policy experts (both Republicans and Democrats), 84 believed that we're losing the war on terror and 87 thought Iraq has had a negative impact on our efforts to defeat terrorists.
Here's the bottom line: Ned Lamont ran against the war in Iraq, a war that Joe Lieberman vehemently supported -- and still supports. A war that 60 percent of Americans are against. A war that is the defining foreign policy initiative of the Bush administration -- an initiative that has been an abject failure on every level. A war that has put the GOP's back against the electoral wall. So it's firing back with it's favorite weapon -- fear -- trying to make the case that being against the war somehow makes Lamont soft on national security or, as RNC chair Ken Mehlman put it, "a leading proponent of the isolationist, defeatist, blame-America-first philosophy."
Talk about desperate. So do Cheney/Rove/Mehlman really believe that 60 percent of the public are blame-America-firsters? Or that because 60 percent of us agree that Iraq is a disaster, we somehow don't have "the will" to, in Cheney's words, "stay in the fight and complete the task" of taking on the terrorists -- and thus are encouraging al Qaeda types?
Of course not. They know being against the war in Iraq doesn't mean you are against fighting the war on terror. It means you are against a failed policy that has created more terrorists than it has killed, that has cost America 2,591 lives and $305 billion dollars, that has thrown Iraq into a bloody sectarian civil war, and that has so lessened our standing abroad that we are unable to be a real power broker in an exploding Middle East.
You want to know what really emboldens our enemies? It's not Ned Lamont beating Joe Lieberman; it's the idea of an impotent United States so over-extended and bogged down in Iraq that it has been pushed to the diplomatic sidelines.
What Lamont's victory should really do is embolden Democrats to aggressively counterattack the Republicans' scare tactics nonsense. (It would help if the MSM reacted to the GOP drivel by treating it with the contempt it deserves instead of dutifully reporting it as if it contained even an ounce of logic or sanity.)
John Kerry effectively counterattacked the Republican's scare tactics nonsense today -- and every Democratic leader should do the same every day, without fail, until the message finally breaks through the static. The thwarted London attacks, said Kerry, "expose the misleading myth that we are fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here. In fact, the war in Iraq has become a dangerous distraction... Nearly five years after the attacks of 9/11, we are not as safe as we can and must be... The 9/11 Commission's recommendations to secure our most vulnerable infrastructure remain virtually ignored. And homeland security funding has been cut for cities like Boston and New York."
One of the main reasons this has happened is that Congressional Democrats have failed to hold the Bush administration accountable for taking its eye off the national security ball in order to pursue its imperial adventure in Iraq. It's worth noting that the ranking Democrat on the Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee is none other than Joe Lieberman, whose belief in bipartisan comity has kept him from holding the White House's feet to the fire. No wonder Karl Rove wanted to help him out, and Dick Cheney feels so concerned by his defeat.
Cheney and Rove know that this battle is for all the marbles. If Democrats can't effectively repudiate the GOP's fear-mongering strategy of linking Iraq to national security, they can kiss 2006 -- and 2008 -- good-bye.
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Posted by: dadzilla on Aug 12, 2006 1:26 AM
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Osama Bin Laden must be laughing at the sight of it all, and these screwups have the gall to claim the Democrats are soft of terrorism... the only thing soft is Cheney’s head.
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Posted by: michaeltwatson on Aug 12, 2006 5:16 AM
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Why is it the Republicans blame the Democrats for politicizing the debate about the war on terror? They know that the biggest criticism is the Iraq war, which 60% of the country believes we are wrongly in. NO Democrat has said that we should stop any other part of the war on terror. They only say that we should start doing more. That is, take the manpower, machinery, technology, intuition, emotion and money from Iraq and use it where it matters. It clearly no longer matters in Iraq.
Criticizing Democrats for “waving the white flag” is like claiming Muhammed Ali should have stayed in front of Joe Frazier and taken a pounding, rather than “float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.” We claim to have the greatest intelligence capabilities in the world. Intelligence is what stopped the London airplane terrorists, not brute force and torture techniques. Congress (including Democrats) is willing to give the President, with only the need for a search warrant retroactively issued by a court, any intelligence necessary to go after the terrorists. All the Republican war on terror has done in Iraq is to make more terrorists and make the job more difficult. Let’s start to float and sting, like the British. How many troops is it that they have in Iraq?
Michael Townes Watson, author of America's Tunnel Vision--How Insurance Companies' Propaganda Is Corrupting Medicine and Law. www.AmericasTunnelVision.com
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Posted by: Prophit on Aug 12, 2006 5:36 AM
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So, here we are talking about terrorism, name calling between the parties who have voted lock step through most of the past 5 years except just before election when they play at being an opposition party.
KICK OUT ALL INCUMBANTS REGARDLESS OF PARTY and give them an even bigger message than we gave on Lieberman, which is "THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE TAKING THEIR COUNTRY BACK"! Best get on board.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 12, 2006 5:47 AM
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Franklin D Roosevelt
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My! My! How the old plantation sho has changed! Look at where we've gone on seventy three years. From FDR to Goerge W. Bush. As Mort Sahl once observed, "Darwin was wrong"! The next presidenial election will have to be a landslide. They'll be able to steal it again if it's as close as it was in 2000 and 2004. The fact that so huge (although, I emphasize, not most of the American electorate were so mind numbingly ill informed that they actually believed that sending this fucking idiot to the White House twice was a good idea has made us the laughingstock of this entre, troubled planet. Are we goiing to be stupid enough to do it again in 2008, or even 2006 for that matter?
The writing is on the wall, folks! If we don't take our government back from these corrupt, fear mongering bastards, you might as well kiss your republic bye bye. The damage that they've done to out country, as it is, will be with us for the rest of our natural lives. Let us not compound the problem by giving them another four and six years. Think of your children! What kind of country do you want them to live in? Damn all of you if you ever vote for the GOP again.
Whenever you send a representitive to Washington (the First Fool, for instance) who is obviously dumber than dog shit, your going to have serious problems. This isn't rocket science, kiddies. This is called "civics 101". As they say in AA, "Get with the program"!
Pray for peace.
Tom Degan
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Posted by: marklar on Aug 12, 2006 6:06 AM
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Rep. Murtha stood up and remains standing, telling it like it is - the DLC democrats stand down.
Ned Lamont stood up - DLC democrats stood down.
The DLC is the problem with the Democrat Politicians, get rid of the influence of the DLC and we'll have our party back.
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Posted by: justaperson on Aug 12, 2006 6:49 AM
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Today the Democrats really are saying what Americans think. Just look at the polls, go to your backyard fence and talk to your neighbors, few Americans support Bush's war tactics and almost all resent the way he lied about Iraq.
It's time Democrats started embracing the word liberal again with pride. They should start pointing out that the whole country has now begun to see the wisdom of more liberal thinking. The whole country except for a few die hard cnservatives who have become celebrities because of their support Bush books and tv appearances, now really gets it. The Iraq war is a scam and a fiasco embarked upon by a series of totally unforgiveable lies.
For Bush to take any credit for keeping our nation safe during this last airline threat is ludicrous. It was the Pakastanis and the Brits that did all the legwork. Bush is trying to tie the Patriot Act and all his other rights-removing tactics with this bomb plot. Instead of really feeling afraid and implementing all the suggestions by the 9-11 commission, he is gleefully using this moment for pure propaganda.
The Democrats need to stop apologizing for being liberals. They need to be jovial and open about how ridiculous Bush is because he is a laughing stock in so many voter's minds.
Trying to defend themselves while holding some kind of secret shame about their values will only make them seem weak.
It's time now for the Democrats to become Democrats again, to unpologetically proclaim themselves as the party who understands just how ripped off this nation feels by Bush's immoral degradation of our most highly held values and for his getting our troops involved in this civil war.
Joe Lieberman has proved he is an opportunist. I feel especially sad about this because I voted for the Gore-Lieberman ticket.
I would still vote for Gore. I think he's the most likely candidate the party can present in order to win.
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I'm 54 and an Old School Republican and if any of you think that I'm buying the bullshit from either party, think again... I know where we're headed and it's not pretty, but it's just fine by me, I wouldn't have it any other way. LOOK OUT BELOW!
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Posted by: d_minor9 on Aug 12, 2006 3:02 PM
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The "calculated use of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or intimidate governments or societies in pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological."
Calculated use of unlawful violence.
Does that include threats of unlawful violence? Dick Cheney is definitely talking about violence. But it will only happen if we do one thing: listen to those (like Ned Lamont supporters) that would rather 'cut & run' from Iraq and therby embolden "Al-Qaeda types".
If you agree that political gain could come to the White House from Cheney's talking about terror, then Cheney is using the threat of unlawful violence (terrorist attacks) to inculcate fear, in order to coerce & intimidate society in pursuit of political & ideological goals. Which, according to our own DOD definition, constitutes terrorism.
Are we afraid to use this word in application to our own government? We have been waking up, but we still have more consciousness to gain.
Ariana called Cheney's language as "illogical, over-the-top, fear-mongering rhetoric"; can we call it "domestic psychological terror?"
Does it hurt to use that language? Or is it too harsh, and not applicable to us?
Thank you for your comments,
Matt
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Posted by: phindrup on Aug 12, 2006 3:40 PM
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Look at what is happeng in the world --- 9/11 was barely a scratch!
I live in australia and Australians were dumb enough to reelect the troll --- Howard that is.
Many did so because they thought he would 'keep interest rates low'. Too stupid to look at interest rates aainst rates elswhere in the world!
Interest rates have just risen, and expected to rise again. Me, I'm hoping interest rates go to 50%!!!!!!
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Posted by: justaguy on Aug 12, 2006 5:27 PM
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What does "unconditional support" for Israel achieve for America? Let us not pretend that this is not a core issue. Please.
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Posted by: SJR505 on Aug 13, 2006 5:57 AM
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WHAT ALARMS MANY OF US IS THAT THE LAY-BACK AMERICANS THAT SEEM TO ALLY THEMSELVES WITH THE IDEA THAT AMERICAN CAN BUY ANYTHING, INCLUDING SAFETY...AND, APPEARS TO ME THAT THEY LIKE MANY AMERICANS ACT LIKE PEOPLE LOOKING FOR A "HANDOUT"...
REGARDLESS OF WHICH SIDE OF THE POLITICAL PERSUASION ONE LEANS, THERE IS , REPEAT , NO LEADERSHIP IN THE ADMINISTRATION, CONGRESS OR ANY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT...THEY ARE ACTING LIKE BUREACRACIES - " ITS EVERYONES RESPONSILBILTY, THEREFORE IT IS NO ONE'S RESPONSIBILITY..." IT BREEDS NO ACCOUNTABILITY...MOST OF THEIR APPROACHES BEGIN WITH CHAOS, FEAR, AND CONTINUED SUPPORT BY SELECTING INCOMPETENT POLITICAL APPOINTEES WHO CAN FOLLOW THE ADMINISTRATION "TURD BLOSSOM " LEAD ;AND WHO ARE GIVEN EVERY CHANCE TO FAIL...AND, IF THEY DO, THEN THE ADMINISTRATION HAS A "FALL GUY/GIRL " TO BLAME FOR THE FAILURE , ALA "FEMA AND "YOUR DOING A GOOD JOB BROWNIE..."
DO WE AS A NATION DO NOT GET IT...???
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 13, 2006 8:01 AM
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They represent the kind of oppression we alledgedly threw off in 1776. They are the king of Officials that if the Founders were alive,would revolt on. If Jesus were around,he punch their lights out for bastardizing his name for profit.
Truth is the Democrat and the Republicans are so 'indebted' to Corperate Comtributers they can do nothing except heel when they call. The Republican Party when it got started,was vehematly anti-corperation. It did'nt take them long to sell out. They were the third party of their day. They flim flammed their way into the circle the democrats and the wigs
had control of.until they absorbed the wigs.
We already have a rulership. It's a Rulership By The People. We just forgot how it works. It's simple really, WE TELL THEM WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO DO IT!!!! If they don't.
Shit-canned,sacked,adios,outta here!!! No term limits.no waiting till the next election, NO FREE RIDE FOR BAD POLITICIANS. There's only one way this country is going to straighten out,that's if BOTH Parties GET OUT!!! If you're a REAL AMWERICAN,you'll be casting you're vote with TAR AND FEATHERS.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Aug 13, 2006 2:05 PM
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Cheney's betting on the Euro
What this shows is that Cheney doesn't give a damn about American taxpayers and citizens - he considers himself part of a 'new global elite' and if this country goes belly up, he's adjusted his investments to make sure he'll come out OK. Here is a man who sends US soldiers to their deaths in order to keep his oil investments producing at record levels, while banking the money in offshore tax havens so that he doesn't have to pay the soldier's salaries.
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Posted by: gramps on Aug 19, 2006 5:36 AM
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What is the reason for terrorism, and what is terrorism anyway? There must be more to it than fanatics randomly killing the civilians of another country because they dislike freedom, or behavior that does not fit their own religious convictions. There has to be a better reason than that. Why would anyone strap a bomb to their waist and blow themselves up? An elderly Palestinian when asked this question on TV responded: “ What else can we do when we are faced with planes and tanks and bombs? All that we have to resist with is our own bodies.” The modern killing machines of the Israeli's and the Americans have been used against civilians. They not only drop bombs and strafe civilian non-combatants but use land mines, cluster bombs, and even have chemical and biological weapons in their arsenals. The modern warfare against non-combatants can only be answered with “You kill our civilians and we will kill yours.”
Al Quada, Hezballah, Hamas and other resistance forces are waging a war of human desperation against the might of a mechanized colossus that in the name of “national defense” saps the money of its own taxpayers to fatten the bottom line of corporations. Islam has been in the religion business for ages and has never tried to use force to impose its ideology on anyone. This can not be said for the Christian crusaders. Why would Islam decide to wage war on us in this generation?
The corporations public relations machine that has been honed by billions of dollars spent on advertising are using their brainwashing techniques to convince us that we are in danger from religious fanatics. This is just another exercise of using war as economic policy. Scare the shit out of the American people and they will quietly accept their tax money being stolen and the loss of their liberties as the Constitution is trashed. They have over twenty think tanks like Heritage and The American Enterprise Institute that provide talking heads for TV. Their lobbyists even use congressional offices to fabricate bills that they desire. The appropriations committees have just given the Pentagon another 450 billion dollars and Israel another 4 billion. What is truly frightening is that the only available liberals running for office insist that they are for an even stronger US defense budget. This is insanity—mass insanity. We already have more modern weapons than all of the countries in the world together. Even ex-president and peace nobelist Jimmy Carter proudly helped launch a nuclear submarine called—The Jimmy Carter.
We have been convinced that the billions of dollars they have taken from us are necessary in “the war against terrorism”but in a war of the Spiritual against the Material the spiritual will always win. The war mongers know this and their greatest fear is that the peoples of the world will find this out. Every attrocity committed by them has its blowback. Mel Gibson is not the only closet anti-semite that has come out of the closet in reaction to the slaughter of children at Qamas. It is no accident that Joe Leiberman lost to Ned Lamont in the primaries in spite of support from Senators Boxer and Feinstein.. In the November mid term elections the Republicans face the loss of both houses of Congress and there is a national demand for the impeachment of the Bush administration. We might not have to wait for 1998 to impeach the idiot King George. The only way to defeat terrorism is to stop giving Boeing, Northrup, General Dynamics and Halliburton our tax money and shut off the pipe line of our tax money going to Israel. Zionism has joined with the military industrial complex and every new atrocity is steering the Jewish community towards another holocaust. The Jews who are supporting Zionism in their desire for a national home are not different from the Jews who lined up at Auschwitz in the expectation of taking a shower.
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Osama Bin Laden must be laughing at the sight of it all, and these screwups have the gall to claim the Democrats are soft of terrorism... the only thing soft is Cheney’s head.
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Why is it the Republicans blame the Democrats for politicizing the debate about the war on terror? They know that the biggest criticism is the Iraq war, which 60% of the country believes we are wrongly in. NO Democrat has said that we should stop any other part of the war on terror. They only say that we should start doing more. That is, take the manpower, machinery, technology, intuition, emotion and money from Iraq and use it where it matters. It clearly no longer matters in Iraq.
Criticizing Democrats for “waving the white flag” is like claiming Muhammed Ali should have stayed in front of Joe Frazier and taken a pounding, rather than “float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.” We claim to have the greatest intelligence capabilities in the world. Intelligence is what stopped the London airplane terrorists, not brute force and torture techniques. Congress (including Democrats) is willing to give the President, with only the need for a search warrant retroactively issued by a court, any intelligence necessary to go after the terrorists. All the Republican war on terror has done in Iraq is to make more terrorists and make the job more difficult. Let’s start to float and sting, like the British. How many troops is it that they have in Iraq?
Michael Townes Watson, author of America's Tunnel Vision--How Insurance Companies' Propaganda Is Corrupting Medicine and Law. www.AmericasTunnelVision.com
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So, here we are talking about terrorism, name calling between the parties who have voted lock step through most of the past 5 years except just before election when they play at being an opposition party.
KICK OUT ALL INCUMBANTS REGARDLESS OF PARTY and give them an even bigger message than we gave on Lieberman, which is "THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE TAKING THEIR COUNTRY BACK"! Best get on board.
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Franklin D Roosevelt
March 4, 1933
My! My! How the old plantation sho has changed! Look at where we've gone on seventy three years. From FDR to Goerge W. Bush. As Mort Sahl once observed, "Darwin was wrong"! The next presidenial election will have to be a landslide. They'll be able to steal it again if it's as close as it was in 2000 and 2004. The fact that so huge (although, I emphasize, not most of the American electorate were so mind numbingly ill informed that they actually believed that sending this fucking idiot to the White House twice was a good idea has made us the laughingstock of this entre, troubled planet. Are we goiing to be stupid enough to do it again in 2008, or even 2006 for that matter?
The writing is on the wall, folks! If we don't take our government back from these corrupt, fear mongering bastards, you might as well kiss your republic bye bye. The damage that they've done to out country, as it is, will be with us for the rest of our natural lives. Let us not compound the problem by giving them another four and six years. Think of your children! What kind of country do you want them to live in? Damn all of you if you ever vote for the GOP again.
Whenever you send a representitive to Washington (the First Fool, for instance) who is obviously dumber than dog shit, your going to have serious problems. This isn't rocket science, kiddies. This is called "civics 101". As they say in AA, "Get with the program"!
Pray for peace.
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"the Rant" by Tom Degan
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Posted by: marklar on Aug 12, 2006 6:06 AM
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Rep. Murtha stood up and remains standing, telling it like it is - the DLC democrats stand down.
Ned Lamont stood up - DLC democrats stood down.
The DLC is the problem with the Democrat Politicians, get rid of the influence of the DLC and we'll have our party back.
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Posted by: justaperson on Aug 12, 2006 6:49 AM
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Today the Democrats really are saying what Americans think. Just look at the polls, go to your backyard fence and talk to your neighbors, few Americans support Bush's war tactics and almost all resent the way he lied about Iraq.
It's time Democrats started embracing the word liberal again with pride. They should start pointing out that the whole country has now begun to see the wisdom of more liberal thinking. The whole country except for a few die hard cnservatives who have become celebrities because of their support Bush books and tv appearances, now really gets it. The Iraq war is a scam and a fiasco embarked upon by a series of totally unforgiveable lies.
For Bush to take any credit for keeping our nation safe during this last airline threat is ludicrous. It was the Pakastanis and the Brits that did all the legwork. Bush is trying to tie the Patriot Act and all his other rights-removing tactics with this bomb plot. Instead of really feeling afraid and implementing all the suggestions by the 9-11 commission, he is gleefully using this moment for pure propaganda.
The Democrats need to stop apologizing for being liberals. They need to be jovial and open about how ridiculous Bush is because he is a laughing stock in so many voter's minds.
Trying to defend themselves while holding some kind of secret shame about their values will only make them seem weak.
It's time now for the Democrats to become Democrats again, to unpologetically proclaim themselves as the party who understands just how ripped off this nation feels by Bush's immoral degradation of our most highly held values and for his getting our troops involved in this civil war.
Joe Lieberman has proved he is an opportunist. I feel especially sad about this because I voted for the Gore-Lieberman ticket.
I would still vote for Gore. I think he's the most likely candidate the party can present in order to win.
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I'm 54 and an Old School Republican and if any of you think that I'm buying the bullshit from either party, think again... I know where we're headed and it's not pretty, but it's just fine by me, I wouldn't have it any other way. LOOK OUT BELOW!
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Posted by: d_minor9 on Aug 12, 2006 3:02 PM
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The "calculated use of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or intimidate governments or societies in pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological."
Calculated use of unlawful violence.
Does that include threats of unlawful violence? Dick Cheney is definitely talking about violence. But it will only happen if we do one thing: listen to those (like Ned Lamont supporters) that would rather 'cut & run' from Iraq and therby embolden "Al-Qaeda types".
If you agree that political gain could come to the White House from Cheney's talking about terror, then Cheney is using the threat of unlawful violence (terrorist attacks) to inculcate fear, in order to coerce & intimidate society in pursuit of political & ideological goals. Which, according to our own DOD definition, constitutes terrorism.
Are we afraid to use this word in application to our own government? We have been waking up, but we still have more consciousness to gain.
Ariana called Cheney's language as "illogical, over-the-top, fear-mongering rhetoric"; can we call it "domestic psychological terror?"
Does it hurt to use that language? Or is it too harsh, and not applicable to us?
Thank you for your comments,
Matt
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Posted by: phindrup on Aug 12, 2006 3:40 PM
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Look at what is happeng in the world --- 9/11 was barely a scratch!
I live in australia and Australians were dumb enough to reelect the troll --- Howard that is.
Many did so because they thought he would 'keep interest rates low'. Too stupid to look at interest rates aainst rates elswhere in the world!
Interest rates have just risen, and expected to rise again. Me, I'm hoping interest rates go to 50%!!!!!!
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Posted by: justaguy on Aug 12, 2006 5:27 PM
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What does "unconditional support" for Israel achieve for America? Let us not pretend that this is not a core issue. Please.
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Posted by: SJR505 on Aug 13, 2006 5:57 AM
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WHAT ALARMS MANY OF US IS THAT THE LAY-BACK AMERICANS THAT SEEM TO ALLY THEMSELVES WITH THE IDEA THAT AMERICAN CAN BUY ANYTHING, INCLUDING SAFETY...AND, APPEARS TO ME THAT THEY LIKE MANY AMERICANS ACT LIKE PEOPLE LOOKING FOR A "HANDOUT"...
REGARDLESS OF WHICH SIDE OF THE POLITICAL PERSUASION ONE LEANS, THERE IS , REPEAT , NO LEADERSHIP IN THE ADMINISTRATION, CONGRESS OR ANY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT...THEY ARE ACTING LIKE BUREACRACIES - " ITS EVERYONES RESPONSILBILTY, THEREFORE IT IS NO ONE'S RESPONSIBILITY..." IT BREEDS NO ACCOUNTABILITY...MOST OF THEIR APPROACHES BEGIN WITH CHAOS, FEAR, AND CONTINUED SUPPORT BY SELECTING INCOMPETENT POLITICAL APPOINTEES WHO CAN FOLLOW THE ADMINISTRATION "TURD BLOSSOM " LEAD ;AND WHO ARE GIVEN EVERY CHANCE TO FAIL...AND, IF THEY DO, THEN THE ADMINISTRATION HAS A "FALL GUY/GIRL " TO BLAME FOR THE FAILURE , ALA "FEMA AND "YOUR DOING A GOOD JOB BROWNIE..."
DO WE AS A NATION DO NOT GET IT...???
S=JIM+RODRIGUEZ+++ECLECTICIST SEEKER+++
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They represent the kind of oppression we alledgedly threw off in 1776. They are the king of Officials that if the Founders were alive,would revolt on. If Jesus were around,he punch their lights out for bastardizing his name for profit.
Truth is the Democrat and the Republicans are so 'indebted' to Corperate Comtributers they can do nothing except heel when they call. The Republican Party when it got started,was vehematly anti-corperation. It did'nt take them long to sell out. They were the third party of their day. They flim flammed their way into the circle the democrats and the wigs
had control of.until they absorbed the wigs.
We already have a rulership. It's a Rulership By The People. We just forgot how it works. It's simple really, WE TELL THEM WHAT TO DO AND HOW TO DO IT!!!! If they don't.
Shit-canned,sacked,adios,outta here!!! No term limits.no waiting till the next election, NO FREE RIDE FOR BAD POLITICIANS. There's only one way this country is going to straighten out,that's if BOTH Parties GET OUT!!! If you're a REAL AMWERICAN,you'll be casting you're vote with TAR AND FEATHERS.
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Cheney's betting on the Euro
What this shows is that Cheney doesn't give a damn about American taxpayers and citizens - he considers himself part of a 'new global elite' and if this country goes belly up, he's adjusted his investments to make sure he'll come out OK. Here is a man who sends US soldiers to their deaths in order to keep his oil investments producing at record levels, while banking the money in offshore tax havens so that he doesn't have to pay the soldier's salaries.
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Corpirate Stooge
Stinking Fascist
Greedy
Drool
Fat ass Chainey
Disinformation Tool
Heartless Hunchback
Bass-turd
Stool
Media Madame
Prostitute Who?
Broken
Bobbin Head!
What about you?
Georgie Porgy
Inbred
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Posted by: gramps on Aug 19, 2006 5:36 AM
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What is the reason for terrorism, and what is terrorism anyway? There must be more to it than fanatics randomly killing the civilians of another country because they dislike freedom, or behavior that does not fit their own religious convictions. There has to be a better reason than that. Why would anyone strap a bomb to their waist and blow themselves up? An elderly Palestinian when asked this question on TV responded: “ What else can we do when we are faced with planes and tanks and bombs? All that we have to resist with is our own bodies.” The modern killing machines of the Israeli's and the Americans have been used against civilians. They not only drop bombs and strafe civilian non-combatants but use land mines, cluster bombs, and even have chemical and biological weapons in their arsenals. The modern warfare against non-combatants can only be answered with “You kill our civilians and we will kill yours.”
Al Quada, Hezballah, Hamas and other resistance forces are waging a war of human desperation against the might of a mechanized colossus that in the name of “national defense” saps the money of its own taxpayers to fatten the bottom line of corporations. Islam has been in the religion business for ages and has never tried to use force to impose its ideology on anyone. This can not be said for the Christian crusaders. Why would Islam decide to wage war on us in this generation?
The corporations public relations machine that has been honed by billions of dollars spent on advertising are using their brainwashing techniques to convince us that we are in danger from religious fanatics. This is just another exercise of using war as economic policy. Scare the shit out of the American people and they will quietly accept their tax money being stolen and the loss of their liberties as the Constitution is trashed. They have over twenty think tanks like Heritage and The American Enterprise Institute that provide talking heads for TV. Their lobbyists even use congressional offices to fabricate bills that they desire. The appropriations committees have just given the Pentagon another 450 billion dollars and Israel another 4 billion. What is truly frightening is that the only available liberals running for office insist that they are for an even stronger US defense budget. This is insanity—mass insanity. We already have more modern weapons than all of the countries in the world together. Even ex-president and peace nobelist Jimmy Carter proudly helped launch a nuclear submarine called—The Jimmy Carter.
We have been convinced that the billions of dollars they have taken from us are necessary in “the war against terrorism”but in a war of the Spiritual against the Material the spiritual will always win. The war mongers know this and their greatest fear is that the peoples of the world will find this out. Every attrocity committed by them has its blowback. Mel Gibson is not the only closet anti-semite that has come out of the closet in reaction to the slaughter of children at Qamas. It is no accident that Joe Leiberman lost to Ned Lamont in the primaries in spite of support from Senators Boxer and Feinstein.. In the November mid term elections the Republicans face the loss of both houses of Congress and there is a national demand for the impeachment of the Bush administration. We might not have to wait for 1998 to impeach the idiot King George. The only way to defeat terrorism is to stop giving Boeing, Northrup, General Dynamics and Halliburton our tax money and shut off the pipe line of our tax money going to Israel. Zionism has joined with the military industrial complex and every new atrocity is steering the Jewish community towards another holocaust. The Jews who are supporting Zionism in their desire for a national home are not different from the Jews who lined up at Auschwitz in the expectation of taking a shower.
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