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Three Ways (Out of 100) That America's Screwing Up the World

By John Tirman, AlterNet. Posted August 15, 2006.


From the lack of body counts in Iraq, to drug wars to torture, the United States is making the world a worse place to live in.
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The following three subchapters are excerpted from John Tirman's 100 Ways America Is Screwing Up the World (Harper Perennial, 2006). Read another excerpt here.

Three ways America is screwing up the world:

1. "We Don't Do Body Counts"

When U.S. General Tommy Franks uttered those words in 2003, he was conveying the new sentiments of the American military and its civilian leadership, that counting the dead of "the enemy" was not necessary or useful. Franks, who may be remembered as the only general in the annals of American history to lose two wars, was simply repeating what his political handlers told him to say, as all active duty generals do. In this case, it was an attempt to deflect the moral consequences of a "war of choice," a lesson Frank's generation learned from Vietnam. But the "no body counts" policy reverberates around the Arab and Muslim world, to America's detriment.

The policy is an insult and a mistake for two reasons. First, it lends the impression -- or is it a fact? -- that the United States does not care about civilian casualties. In the autumn of 2005, in a fairly typical sequence, the military announced that a sweep of Anbar province in Iraq had resulted in the death of 120 "terrorists." No civilian casualties were reported by the U.S. government, or by the American press. Al Jazeera, the Arabic news organization, had firsthand accounts of dozens of casualties. And it is inconceivable that major military operations of that kind would not result in casualties of the innocent. This is an embittering legacy of the war: not merely the fact of large numbers of war dead, but the neglect of even acknowledging that this could be occurring or is important enough to investigate.

Second, it is bad for the war effort itself. The American people have a right to know what is going on in their name. Learning about things like Abu Ghraib and casualties from foreign news sources or NGOs makes the revelations all the more troubling, as they think they are being lied to by their government. (Which they are, of course.) And military planners themselves should understand what the effect of operations is on civilian populations. Family ties are strong in Iraq, with close extended kinship networks; killing of family members, especially innocent family members, is likely to produce more resistance -- and more terrorists. It is one of the seemingly inexplicable things in Iraq -- how could the insurgency grow when America is so clearly a liberator, where even Sunni Arabs will ultimately be better off if only they would lay down their weapons? The answer is not only that they are former Saddamites or jihadists. The far more probable answer is that the insurgents are driven in part by acts of defense, in effect, or vengeful honor.

A military officer told me around that same time that "rules of engagement" for U.S. troops were so broad that civilians even faintly suspected of being insurgents were routinely "blown away." Men talking on cell phones, for example, while a U.S. military convoy was passing were fair game for shooting. Many anecdotes of this kind circulate, but have stimulated little curiosity on the part of journalists.

Most take at face value the estimates of Iraq Body Count, a noble effort to count, via press reports, the total number of Iraqi civilians killed in the war. Their estimate by the end of 2005 was about thirty thousand, but their method was incomplete, as they readily acknowledge, since they count only those who are reported dead in two or more reputable news sources. That's like doing the census of the United States by counting everyone mentioned in the news media.

A more complete estimate was provided by a team of epidemiologists, led by American and Iraqi health professionals, and published in the British medical journal, The Lancet. Using a well-tested method of random cluster surveys, interviewing more than 7,000 people, their midrange estimate was 98,000 dead in the first eighteen months of the war, with 80 percent of those likely to have been killed by U.S. and U.K. forces.

That report was widely dismissed in the United States as politically motivated or flawed, though the secretary of state and many others used the same method to estimate casualties in other wars, such as the Congo. (The method, by the way, while widely misunderstood, is perfectly sound.) The violence, by most accounts, increased in the next eighteen months, and one can safely assume that the actual dead in Iraq now exceed 100,000 by perhaps tens of thousands more.

The real reason why The Lancet study is ignored, and the whole topic of civilian deaths downplayed, is because that scale of mayhem is just too sickening to accept in a news media that largely supported the invasion, and by politicians who would pay a price for even indirectly criticizing the conduct of U.S. troops who, after all, do the killing.

The moral consequences of war are always inconvenient. They are especially troubling when a war has a veneer of righteousness. This attitude afflicts the media elite as much as the political leadership. "We don't do body counts" could have been uttered by the editor of the Washington Post as easily as the general in charge. That they are both morally bankrupt on this issue is obvious for all the world to see.

2. Getting High

Much of my professional time is spent studying armed conflicts around the world.

One can't help noticing that wars today are often mixed up with crime, and that crime is often about drugs -- heroin and cocaine, in particular. The production of opiates is connected to the wars and instability in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Burma. Cocaine is produced in the Andean countries of South America, particularly Colombia, Peru, and Bolivia, and all three have suffered from ongoing civil wars --Colombia's is almost forty years old -- and social unrest. Then there are the transit countries, like most of Central America. You add it up and a lot of countries are involved. Of course, one country is most involved, not as an exporter, but the consumer: the United States.

Getting high is an American tradition. Alcohol and tobacco consumption is as old as the Republic. The use of legal pharmaceuticals for depression, anxiety, sleeplessness, and the like increased markedly after the Second World War. The legal drug market set the stage for illegal drug consumption. Even now, after all the public service campaigns about these issues, the consumption of alcohol by American teens and pre-teens is astounding in scale: 20 percent of the alcohol imbibed nationwide goes down the gullets of kids between twelve and twenty years old, and in that age group, half of them drink. They account for $22 billion in booze.

So the stage is set for illicit drug consumption. Americans consume more cocaine than any other country, 300 million metric tons annually. In the 1990s, about $70 billion was spent in America on coke by 3 to 4 million "hard-core" users and some 6 million occasional users. Up to a million Americans were hooked on heroin, and that cost about $20 billion a year. Trends suggest that use of cocaine may actually be declining, but statistics in general are a little dodgy when it comes to these practices. It's still a very big business.

The industry that supplies the habits of Americans gives new meaning to the word globalization. West African couriers go to Bangkok to purchase Burmese-made heroin and run it through no-hassle airports in Africa and take their chances at border crossings in Mexico and Canada. Cocaine shippers, we know, have their own air fleet. The transit points for all this stuff reads like a who's who of failed states (or venues of the Reagan Doctrine): Angola, Cambodia, Guatemala, Nigeria, Honduras, Mozambique.

The drug money -- a little goes a long way in some of these countries -- feeds the corrupt and brutal, rogue cops and dirty politicians, ready to take the graft in one hand and U.S. "war on drugs" money in the other. They are often involved with the other contraband that fuels war and crime: gunrunning, diamonds, or even higher-end goods like nuclear technology. They sometimes have connections to the likes of al Qaeda. It all seems to go hand in hand. And drugs are at the center of it.

The war on drugs is generally considered to be a failed policy, and an expensive one, though it has its defenders. Our federal and state governments spend something like $50 billion annually, both at home and abroad, in the drug war. A million are arrested, many of them incarcerated, bringing on more billions in costs. In places like Colombia, the war on drugs is mixed up with the civil war itself. Local police and military elites use the drug war for other purposes -- not only old-fashioned graft, but as a way to settle scores and dispatch enemies. Eradication of crops only works if the local people want it and there are alternatives, which are rarely in the mix. Very few independent analysts regard the war on drugs as a success, mainly because it is being fought in the wrong places -- the problem is not abroad, but in ourselves.

Free trade helps the drug trade. The war on terrorism may hinder it in some places, but help it in others. In Afghanistan, the overthrow of the Taliban opened the door to new cultivators and exporters of heroin.

It's a very confusing picture. The one remedy that has not been tried, of course, is legalization. There is a ferocious debate about the harmful effects of drugs, and what legalization (controlled, taxed, etc.) might bring. But one thing is certain: the hunger for illegal drugs in the United States reverberates around the world. It is violent, corrupting, and enormously costly to millions of people on every continent.

3. Torture

I will keep this one short, because it is so obvious and hardly any rational and moral individual would disagree with me. In fact, there is so much unanimity on this matter among knowledgeable people worldwide that I thought perhaps this should not be one of the 100 Ways. But then I saw Condi Rice in Europe defending the "renditions" of "suspects," spirited off to secret prisons where no doubt they would come in for some serious hands-on interrogations, claiming these contemptible practices saved European lives -- almost certainly a complete falsehood -- and I thought, well, yes, torture deserves a few words.

America has overall been quite free of torture as an official state policy or practice, so it is perhaps a little premature to claim that the recent reliance on torture prisons for the massive detentions of fighters from Afghanistan and Iraq and others has "screwed up the world." Too soon, but not too far fetched. The revelations about the U.S. torture techniques and the persistence of Bush administration in defending and using them are a colossal national shame that has muddied whatever conceivable moral clarity guided the new crusades in the Middle East.

Apart from it being morally repugnant, a slap at the ideals the country tends to uphold, and a violation of international law -- often flimsy reasons in the minds of torturers -- the practice of maximizing pain doesn't work. People who actually know something valuable (unlike the thousands of low-level prisoners at Guantánamo and other prisons) are the least likely to talk. And some will talk and say anything to stop the beatings, burnings, poisonings and other methods in the torturer's quiver. Hence, the many false alarms and "orange alerts" since 9/11 (which, conveniently, also have political value). "No one has yet offered any validated evidence that torture produces reliable intelligence," notes General David Irvine, a specialist on interrogations. "While torture apologists frequently make the claim that torture saves lives, that assertion is directly contradicted by many Army, FBI, and CIA professionals who have actually interrogated al Qaeda captives."

In its Eight Lessons of Torture, the Center for the Victims of Torture, an experienced, Minneapolis-based NGO, notes in lesson number one (that torture does not yield reliable information) that "nearly every client at the Center for Victims of Torture, when subjected to torture, confessed to a crime they did not commit, gave up extraneous information, or supplied names of innocent friends or colleagues to their torturers." And as many people have argued, including former interrogators, torture has a corrupting influence on the torturers.

The big "what-if" in the debate is "what if a captured terrorist knew of a plan to detonate a nuclear weapon in Manhattan, should we use all means to stop that?" Such what-ifs depend on many implausible scenarios converging. The simple fact is that suicide bombing has shown that the most politically violent people will die for their cause; this is not exactly news. So if in the unlikely case (getting a nuclear device is an extremely low-probability event) someone did know of such a thing about to happen, and we're pulling out their fingernails, we can rest assured they won't talk, because they would have committed to dying anyway. People who argue otherwise are not only morally corrupt but naïve. We could, however, pose a more likely what-if: What if a would-be terrorist becomes a deadly fighter because America is torturing his compatriots? That"what-if is already under way. Some people -- American torturers -- have blood on their hands as a result.

Case closed. The torture, the illegal detentions, the unnecessary killings, the grisly prisons -- not a single benefit has been shown from this tawdriness and moral depravity. It is likely to outlive its alleged purposes and brand the perpetrators forever.

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John Tirman is executive director of MIT's Center for International Studies.

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Posted by: HeroesAll on Aug 15, 2006 1:03 AM   
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America has overall been quite free of torture as an official state policy or practice, so it is perhaps a little premature to claim that the recent reliance on torture prisons for the massive detentions of fighters from Afghanistan and Iraq and others has "screwed up the world."

The author seems to have gone through a decade or two without noticing the School of the Americas (now I think it's called Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Co-operation, or WHISC).

So while the US may not have used torture 'as official state policy or practice' within the US, it's been using it, and teaching its use, in South and Central America for at least a couple of decades.

Granted, this use of torture wasn't used for the extraction of information, but simply to terrify people and their friends and relatives (as were the numerous 'disappearances'). It's still torture, it's still part of US foreign policy, and it's still being taught.

I think, therefore, that US policy has thoroughly and bloodily screwed up that part of the world, for decades (the overthrow of the Arbenz government in Guatamala was what, 1954?). Nothing's new, nothing's changed.

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adds
Posted by: rsaxto on Aug 15, 2006 3:36 AM   
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This all adds up to a steep decline in American moral fiber with the steepest decline being in the Cheney/Bush gang. The decline and fall of America as a decent nation is accelerating and we will soon be known worldwide as the most immoral nation on Earth. Impeach all the top Bushies for destroying the moral fiber of America and the rest of the world and for their numerous other crimes and misdemeanors.

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DRUGS
Posted by: Kneel on Aug 15, 2006 4:12 AM   
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After 9/11, the White House, desperate to deflect the questions about why we're devoting so many resources to fighting drug use while practically ignoring more serious dangers, ran these laughable ads with kid who got high being blamed for blowing up a building. Drug money, they told us, funds terrorists.

Petroleum money seems to have done a lot more in that department, so many we should be fighting against the imported oil. A set of spoof ads mocked the drug ones with just that premise. (Drug money also funds a lot of Canadian hippies.)

If it's really such a clear and present danger, maybe we need, as a war measure, to legalize drugs so we can grow them at home. There's no real reason to import them - all of these things can be grown and manufactured within the borders of the US, often in backyards. The dangers, to the extent they actually exist (heroin, which tunnel-visioned marijuana advocates regularly point to as one the "hard drugs" cops would be freed up to go after if pot were legalized, is actually is actually harmless - surprising, but true) could be dealt with in straight forward, rational ways. (E.g., Switzerland just started prescribing the heroin to addicts - since it's harmless - and has seen heroin use plummet throughout the country. Go figure.)

After nearly a hundred years of drug prohibition, and decades of the Drug War being undertaken in earnest with vast amounts of manpower and materiel, the only concrete result anyone can point to is an enormous and often very brutal criminal enterprise. All the Drug War is doing is doing is subsidizing organized crime, to the extent that when they write the real history of our times (assuming we leave them any sort of world to live in), the illegal drug trade will be among the top few industries. And if terrorists are getting money from it, it's pretty easy to pull the rug out from under that source of their funding. (We'll work oil next.)

We might note, too, that both screw up the environment. In the case of drugs, it's because they're illegal and it's often impossible for a processing facility to properly dispose of byproducts that would be harmless if they weren't, say, dumped in a stream. (Of course, almost all drug problems, as noted by Ethan Nadelman, are the result of prohibition, not the drugs.)

Maybe it's time to kick the narcotic of superstitions, crawl out into enlightenment (here, these sunglasses will help), and start living, and letting others live, as free human beings. (And stop screwing up the world.)

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Does he know ANYTHING about the WoD?
Posted by: BJT on Aug 15, 2006 4:20 AM   
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"Free trade helps the drug trade."

What terrifying stupidity. This person wouldn't know free trade if it bit him in the face; America has had nothing of the sort for a lifetime or more. He blames the one thing that could save us from this madness when its abolition was the very cause.

The drug trade is so lucrative because the drugs were made illegal. The freedom of the trade was killed.

The war on drugs is a failed policy, but not because we are fighting it abroad. It is a failed policy only if you think of it as though it were meant to lessen and thwart drug use. If you think of it in terms of creating an easy source of cash for clandestine government operations (the CIA dealt in drugs and may still), preserve tinpot dictators who coincide with US interests of corporate protectionism, an excuse for government confiscation of property in police raids, and an excuse for increased government power in general, the war on drugs is a smashing success.

Legalization is the only answer if you want to curb all of this crime and death. It would cease to be such a disproportionately lucrative business because the market could compete out in the open. Gone would be the days of lethal bad batches, maliciously altered batches, and all the crime that goes along with smuggling and hiding. You wouldn't even have to tax and regulate it.

He also blames pharmaceuticals and alcohol for the illegal drug trade. Please. The rise of big pharma and substance abuse is only a parallel symptom of the tremendous loss of freedom in this country. An authoritarian welfare state like ours produces irresponsibility and dependence on a colossal scale.

His book has a nice shocking little title, and "America" is "screwing up the world" in the same 100 ways that every empire before it did. The USA is not some special evil that has never been encountered before. There are imperial evils that need to be stopped and grafting Anti-American memes onto that good cause is no more helpful than grafting anti-semitism onto the goal of peace in the Middle East.

LIBERTY is the answer. What's the question?

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Drug War ? What Drug War.
Posted by: itchyvet on Aug 15, 2006 4:34 AM   
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Excuse me for being pedantic, I realise there's many readers here who would not remember Nicaragua or Guatemala nor the Sandanistas ect, ect.
They'd probably deny too, the FACT that the great wonderful U.S.A. was/is it'self fully complicite and involved in the illegal drug maufacturing/distributing industry.
Check out OLIVER NORTH on any google site folks, and stand back or else you'll be deluged with the crucifying evidance that'll stare you in the face, to support my words.

The only WAR in drugs, is when someone wishes to infringe on the U.S.'s drug turf, that's when the bullets fly and people die as a result.

Sadly, the corruption of drug pedling goes right to the top of the U.S. Administration if anyone wishes to look, they evidance is right there in front of their noses.

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Torturer online registry
Posted by: PJT on Aug 15, 2006 4:40 AM   
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I think any American personnel involved in torture (including humiliation) of prisoners should be required to register with the police of the jurisdiction in which they live, in the same manner as sex offenders are required to now. A person who tortures is a sick person. I want to know if they are living in my community, just as I wish to know if individuals who have committed sex crimes are living in my community. PJT

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Getting High
Posted by: marklar on Aug 15, 2006 4:52 AM   
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It's a decent attempt in such a short space to highlight what you described as a complex topic. Maybe there's nor in the book? But to ignore the actual overall detriment of alchohol and cigarette abuse is to ignore the most costly and deadliest drugs of all.
Tobacco kills upwards of 400,000 Americans EACH YEAR. Tobacco kills very slowly over a long period of time and it is not a glamerous drug to expose but it is by far the deadliest and most costly. Think of healthcare costs and insurances alone and your talking about tens of billions of dollars. Booze is the same thing. It adds fuel (taxes) the healthcare industry, our legal system and prisons, insurance and added on taxation.
Plus, you left out Mexico. Mexico has become not only an a producer but also an importer/exporter of narcotics including Meth, coke and heroin. As soon as the corporations manufacturing centers went up along the border so did Mexicos drug trade. I have to wonder how many U.S. corporation are involved in the illegal drug trade. There must be at least a handful. Plus you left out Izrael and how 85% of the worlds ecstacy is made by Izraeli mobsters. Then there's Big pharma and drugs such as Ocycontin, there's so much going on it's a miracle not more people get high.
A book called The Underground Empire written by James Mills (about 1990) highlighted three cases of well know traffickers in the 1980's. It's dated, but it's information is not. At that time he estimated the drug trade profits at around $3 trillion per year. An old acquintance of mine, who knew Bobby Seal, and who had first hand knowledge of the Oliver North drug smuggling scheme to fund the Contras and more ops, and a variety of the DEA/CIA so-called stings in which they were responsbile for smuggling tons and tons of coke into America for their own agencies black ops and their own profits (you only heard about them when they were caught, then they called them reverse stings) told me that the U.S. government was making tens of billions of dollars to fund balck ops programs. That was a ling time ago, I shitter to think about what they are doing today. The whole thing took on a life of its own.
But you are correct. The amount of money involved is staggering and would shock even the most knowledgable person.

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A Nation of Screw-ups
Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 15, 2006 5:08 AM   
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It's important to remember that - as this article points out - It is not just the American leaders who are ruining this troubled planet, IT IS US! Weeda people, kiddies! This is our fault! We're as much to balme as the half-witted, hideous dirtbag currently sleeping tin the White House. WE did this to the planet. WE did this to our country. WE are culpable! WE are guilty of the obscenities being committed, at this very moment, with OUR tax dollars against the children of Iraq! Remember how Edward R. Murrow closed his famous McCarthey broadcast of March 1954?

"I suppose Cassius was right, '....the fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves'. Goodnight and good luck".

Good luck, indeed!

We have become a nation of morons. Twenty-six years ago, we sent a feeble-minded dingbat by the name of Ronald Reagan to the White House who waged an unholy war against the working and middle class of this nation. All these years later, the gippers very victims, a good deal of them anyway, proclaim him a secular saint. Honestly, how jaw-droppingly stupid are we?

Two decades later we did it again only this time we REALLY MESSED UP! Within weeks of taking the oath of office it was painfully obvious that the oaf of office, the First Fool, George W. Bush, was presiding over the most blatantly criminal administration in the history of human stupidity. So what did we do? In 2004 we sent the despicable bastard back for another four years!

How dumb! How jaw-droppingly, gut-bustingly, rib-ticklingly, mind-numbingly, eye-poppingly, stomache-churningly, heart-stoppingly, brain-fuckingly dumb!

Is it any wonder that we are the laughingstock of the planet?

Pray for peace.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

Pray for peace.

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Oh! And by the way.....
Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 15, 2006 5:16 AM   
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It has just been reported by Charles McCord on the Imus In The Morning program that more Americans can name the three members of the Three Stooges than they can the three branches of government. Does that include the later Culy Joes and Shemp?

Sigh.....

Tom Degan

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THE U.S. DID MUCH WORSE THAN MERELY CONSUME THE COCAINE
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"Cocaine ... a lot of countries are involved. [O]ne country is most involved, not as an exporter, but the consumer: the United States."

Much more than that. Consumption is the public's contribution to the problem. The government's was much worse.

The Reagan administration was an active and witting facilitator of cocaine importation into the US in the '80s as part of the Iran-Contra debacle. Under Reagan's watch and with the help of the CIA, the use of cocaine in the US more than quadrupled during that decade. Dealing is generally considered a more serious crime than merely buying, possessing or consuming.

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Numbers don't add up
Posted by: northerner on Aug 15, 2006 5:56 AM   
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Please check your math. 300 million metric tonnes of cocaine per year? An average of 1 tonne/year for every American??? Even if you assume 5 million heavy daily users at 3 g/day uncut cocaine - both numbers seem high to me, but I'm no expert - that would add up to 5500 tonnes/year. Journalism 101: errors like this do not add to credibility.

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It's not "getting high" that's the problem...
Posted by: jackl2400 on Aug 15, 2006 6:06 AM   
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...it's the War on Drugs.

I can understand this writer is trying to be neutral here, blaming both drug users and drug warriors for the huge problems here and abroad, but the problem is really drug prohibition policies.

Drug warriors attempt both supply reduction (crop eradication, interdiction, criminal enforcement, incarceration, SWAT raids, sting operations) and demand reduction (treatment of addicts, education, propaganda). Most efforts are in supply reduction. These policies have failed to make a dent and have exacerbated the problem because they fuel the black market, essentially acting as price and profit margin supports or subsidies to illegal drug producers.

The problem, quite simply, is freedom and the drug warriors' hatred of freedom. Drug prohibition, like alcohol prohibition before it, is uniquely American, but it is the attempt at prohibition, not the use of the intoxicating or mind-altering substances themselves, which is a uniquely American, utopian policy based on false notions of morality and practicality. The roots of drug prohibition politically, not surprisingly, lie in American findamentalist religions, particularly rural evangelicals....the same people who are anti-abortion and much the same reasoning. By the force of law, they are trying to prevent their neighbors from doing something which they believe is immoral and harmful.

In other words, while I would agree that the War on Drugs is causing terrible harm to Americans both home and abroad, the author's notion that American's penchant for getting high is the problem is wrong. That's blaming one of the victims. That would be like saying (as prohibitionists like to) that the abortion problem would go away if people just stopped having sex, which of course, would be an equally desireable outcome to most pro-life advocates whose underlying notions are based on religion (sex is bad, sex not to procreate is bad, sex outside of marriage is bad, etc).

Otherwise, I agree with the analysis that the three things cited are hurting America, and I'm sure the 97 others in the book are too. I'm hope doing away with the estate tax and social security privitization should be one of those things that also gets a mention as an insane, retrograde policy.

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Who wrote that book?
Posted by: HeroesAll on Aug 15, 2006 6:46 AM   
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It's called Drug Crazy, and it's exceptionally good. It's about the "War on Drugs", and various other options that have been tried (and some which worked, unlike the WoD).

A friend's borrowed my copy, dammit, and I think he ran off to Guatemala to avoid returning it.

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Messing up the World with no compensatory offset!
Posted by: yellow on Aug 15, 2006 7:35 AM   
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One of the things that cheerleaders for US imperialism and contempt for democracy will point out is our generosity particularly when it comes to foreign aid. The US, from the much vaunted Marshall Plan for European Reconstruction ($19 billion) to the present, has been quite stingy. In 2003, the year of the invasion of Iraq, the US gave less than a total of 17 billion in tradition foreign aid which was far less than one quarter of a percent of its GDP. This is typical. The US gleans far more in profit remittances from US foreign direct investment and debt repayments from abroad which suggests that much of our foreign aid is just so much public investment in foreign business environments for US transnational corporations rather than for genuine internal development. In addition, much of this aid creates a foreign dependency on US capital and food aid by destroying the local economies of foreign countries by flooding their markets with subsidized food and creating "needs" for dollars to import more food and capital goods for import dependant economies. The US should seek less hegemonic control of the world in order to secure better relations and far fewer social and political problems outside its own borders!

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Numbers Numbers Numbers
Posted by: Liberal1 on Aug 15, 2006 7:38 AM   
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"Americans consume more cocaine than any other country, 300 million metric tons annually."

Hmm, with the U.S. population slated to reach 300 million this year, average consumption must be around 1 metric ton per inhabitant, which I suspect is well into the lethal consumption range.

In the abstract, drugs are a fascinating topic: every culture seems to embrace some sort of crutch that allows its members to escape from their mundane existence. What this compulsion is to numb our minds (and/or bodies) with drugs, television, internet, or religion is fascinating. We prescibe one of these and another grows: kind of like squeezing a balloon.

Concretely, as the world's largest consumer nation of cocaine and opiates, we create and sustain the market for their production and distribution and bear significant responsibility for the wars, injustice, and corruption that they promote. For all of our chest beating and boisterous nationalism, there is a big empty place inside that we escape from through drugs.

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USA IS DRUGS!!!
Posted by: FauxPorteno on Aug 15, 2006 7:48 AM   
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Try to wrap your mind around this figure:

On an average weekend in NYC, it is estimated that approximately 1% of the population of that city (80,000) will spend at least $200 on illegal drugs, mostly cocaine, heroin, MDMA and grass. That adds up folks - it adds up to the tune of $16,000,000 each weekend and $832,000,000 annually! Now that isn't couch cushion money and quantities of money that large can only be laundered (remember we are only factoring in NYC) by some heavy hitters namely fortune 500 companies including the largest banks all the way up to the biggest bank in the land: the Fed.

It's hilarious that the USG expects us to believe that they, far from directing the global drug trade, actually "fight a war" on drugs. Another curious statistic for you:
As recently as 2000, the Taliban had actually reduced oriental poppy production to approximately 180 tons. After the US "capture" of Afghanistan and subsequent ouster of the Taliban leadership one would likely assume that production would level off around that figure or decrease further. Production as of 2005 was hovering around a record 4500 + tons (opium gum)! The US military ENCOURAGED farmers and warlords to get back to their plots after the invasion. Afghanistan had nothing to do with pipelines, gas fields or terrorism - it had everything to do with HEROIN!

The total net profits of the drug trade probably fall somewhere between 500 billion and 1 trillion dollars annually. That is the kind of $$$$ that can finance all kinds of dirty little black-ops and even regime change. That the USG and other governments maintain such a stuanchly anti-legalization posture (the most sensible approach of course is legalization) should come as no surprise. After all we can't actually have prices coming down now can we. That would also take the criminality out of it and who would weapons contractors sell all those spiffy MAC-10's to? Another nice perk for the USG is the fact that they get to imprison millions of mostly black men along the way, thereby eliminating their right to vote in future elections. Could there be a sweeter deal for politicians? Hardly!

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gathaiga
Posted by: gathaiga on Aug 15, 2006 8:04 AM   
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A worse place?? Gee, what was your first clue?

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You Forgot the Positive Aspects
Posted by: Liger on Aug 15, 2006 8:17 AM   
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The US is certainly not perfect but you can’t simply point out all of the bad things and say it’s harming the world without adding in the positive contributions. I am certain that our contribution to the world would be a positive one if it were possible to tally such a score. Just imagine how far better off through quality of life and living standard the world as a whole is as a result of our free market economy. Look at all of the technological advances in agriculture, science, health and safety we have provided. Look at the hope for freedom and a better tomorrow we give to people around the world. No nation of people is perfect and we should always strive to be better but given the track record of other nations and governments I think we have done pretty well.

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What if we wanted to know where the bomb is...?
Posted by: Crazy H on Aug 15, 2006 8:22 AM   
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"What if there was a nuke about to go off in New York, you'd be okay with torture THEN, wouldn't you...?"

When ever some neo-con jackass starts with that argument, I respond with "I'd ask Spiderman to find it." After all, if they're going to pose comic-book problems, then I'm going to respond with comic book answers...

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A Reputation Once Lost. . .
Posted by: monkeywrench on Aug 15, 2006 8:55 AM   
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From the article:
"The torture, the illegal detentions, the unnecessary killings, the grisly prisons -- not a single benefit has been shown from this tawdriness and moral depravity. It is likely to outlive its alleged purposes and brand the perpetrators forever."

And brand a nation forever: America was once considered (deservedly or not) a "shining light" of fairness, equality and freedom by the rest of the world. That reputation is gone now; and as everyone knows, a reputation lost is not easily regained. We have betrayed the world and the world will never forget. This may turn out to be the single most damaging legacy of the Bush years – and the ramifications will be visited upon the heads of our children and our children's children. It saddens me that I will not live to see America's reputation restored.

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OH YEAH, WE FORGOT! THE "POSITIVE" PROPAGANDA!
Posted by: krose on Aug 15, 2006 9:26 AM   
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ALL YOU RIGHT-WING PAID TROLL PROPAGANDISTS!

GO OUT AND UPDATE YOUR RESUMES.

YOUR JOBS ARE ALMOST FINISHED HERE.

YOU WILL SOON BE LOOKING FOR WORK.

ALL THE REST, LETS NOT "FEED" THE TROLLS!

MAY THEY "STARVE" THEMSELVES TO DEATH!

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» Out of a job!!! - Here's my Resume Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Out of a job!!! - Here's my Resume Posted by: Conservasaurus
The World?? What about how we're screwing ourselves!
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 15, 2006 9:40 AM   
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There was a constitution and Great Law in force long before anyone with white skin got here. We started off kinda rocky because leaving Europe we had no other governing foundation except theirs. It was'nt that we wanted to be free of Euro-influence,we did'nt,we just wanted more land because we had trashed Europe and the eastern Hemisphere into a disease riddled pig pen. After Franklin picked up on the Iroqois and the Constitution he thought it would be great for us white folks too. Big mistake,on the part of the Indians to ever let us in. There had already been a genocidal bent to America since 1492,the white adaptation of the Constitution was merely a legal document that gave authority to the wealthy. That's why any refference to Indian's is 'Indian Savages' and there are no mentions of Blacks or indentured servents as having any God given freedoms and liberties.
It's always been about 'Who has the most money in his pockets'. When the Truly Greedy got together to expand their Greed by forming 'Corperations' there needed to be addressed the issue of whether the Corperation had to respect the rights of people as outlined by our 'sacred documents', and in 1879 it was deemed so. Fast forward to 1989 and the Corpie bastards get away with saying our 'documents' only pertain to the govt dealing with you. The writing is on the wall.Corpie control is death to Freedom and Liberty. Jefferson styling our system after Rome was equally stupid. Centralized Power,Wealth, and Control have always bred corruption and Tyranny. Like a deer in the headlights,we stared at the comming 'hell' and welcomed it like a lost relative. Believing our 'elected ones' were working for all of our good. We have allowed the Wealthy of this Nation to become Supreme Gluttons. Because they do it with 'style'
this model is crammed down our throats as if it was good to be Greedy. Soon enough people 'buy into' the bullshit that it becomes a dominate way of life,almost sub-consciencely so.
The next thing you know there's illegal wars,rigged elections,corrupt police and militaries,inhuman and unjust laws get passed.conditions are set up to keep 25% of the people so poor they can't see the next day much less the 'ends meeting'.
Back in the 60's a kid named Abbie Hoffman spoke out against the rich,and he was one of them. If a person who's raised in the presence of excess can see it's a failed way to live then it must be so. To recognize that everyone needed a belly full of food,a safe place to live,and a clean environment
isn't 'radical', it's Logical.
This way of life we call 'American' is out of balance with Nature, The People of this Nation and the World as a whole.
For us to continue in this direction means we no longer hold Freedom and Liberty in high regard. That we believe the rights of others are meaningless,unless they have lots of money or guns. It means we think the natural World is ours for the taking until all life is poisoned and dead. It means you probably voted for the lesser of two evils. Just imagine how fast things would change for the better if we had a 'NONE OF THE ABOVE' slot on the ballot. Now that's Freedom of Choice!

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jennherne
Posted by: jennherne on Aug 15, 2006 9:49 AM   
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OK so I'm 68 YO & a little crotchity. But your sub-head is another way we are screwing up the world. "...a place to live in". Shouldn't that be "...a place in which to live"?

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Tirman's Book - 100 ways - is great
Posted by: imagenuitybot on Aug 15, 2006 9:53 AM   
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Simply because of it's conciceness and clarity, Tirman's points will hopefully be read by a wider audience than AlterNet readers. It also provides remarkably accessible arguments that stay on the clean side of conspiracy and global hegemony.

Tirman explains America's faults like a 3rd grade teacher to a disruptive child's parent, in that cautious 'please don't be offended' manner. While exposing the issues, it also highlights the fact that spankings are outlawed and we're largely powerless except to bitch and moan. (Ineffectual Freedom of Speech - Effectual speech gets you locked up or targeted)

At least the masses won't be able to claim ignorance.

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Just wait
Posted by: Gregor on Aug 15, 2006 10:10 AM   
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Wait until the US "accidentally" releases germ warfare (Probably first on its own) and says its a terrorist attack. Of course in 1981 they said that is what the AIDS virus was, a germ warfare experimentally tried out in Africa. At the time there were supporting documents to that information.

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Totally exaggerated Drug use math
Posted by: common intelligence on Aug 15, 2006 10:14 AM   
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I'm sorry but the simple logic of numbers used in all statistical reports of drugs used and drug confiscated are always exaggerated. Like you say ..."300 million metric tons of cocaine are used annually in the US. That's beyond stupid. That would mean a ton of coke up every single citizens nose a year. For those that read these numbers stop and think. It's not that it's unbelievable, it's completely impossible.

The same is true every time the media reports things like "drug enforcement has just confiscated 60,000 Marijuana plants....". How stupid do you have to be to even think of creating such a farm. The smell alone would over whelm the whole local environment.

The point here isn't saying America isn't self obsorbed in getting stoned or drunk or what ever, but about not letting readers of reports and claims of statistics cloud clear thinking and logical conclusions of what the truth might possibly be.

Such as like thinking that Americas pin point bunker buster bombs are only killing the bad guys. American military kills everyone without regard. Americans without admitting it, conciders even those that die here at home by automobile accidents an acceptable consequence to keep the debt driven economy going. How much wild life dies in America from road kills to wind generators to pesticides and high speed driving and drunk drivers and just plan violent actions? who really cares?

The problem in America is no one really cares except for special interst groups. this is a land of denial, ignorance and ungratefulness (except for fallen soldiers that give there lifes to make America safe for their families).

Listen, GOD has nothing to do with this dismal unconscious
country. Oh you holier than thou Christian are the most selfish. And those that say,"Support the troops". Hog wash.
I've seen veterans, crippled destitute and maimed from wars past. all ages standing on street corners begging for a job , food, some assistance at all. Then watch these snow blind drivers flaunting their yellow, red, white and blue decal bumper stickers simply ignore them.

Enough is enough. American is lost in denial.

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prairdog
Posted by: prairdog on Aug 15, 2006 10:25 AM   
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I especially appreciate Tirman's bringing up the fact that the US doesn't do "body counts." He's absolutely right that it proclaims to the world that the US cares nothing about the 100,000+ Iraqis or 1000+ Lebanese killed by US bombs. I am surprised, however, that Tirman didn't also note that there's been no free press covering US actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. Embedded reporters don't get to see or report the dead children or villages turned to rubble that might cause Americans at home to deeply question these vicious wars. The contrast with the reporting in Lebanon is instructive: We heard, we saw and we were horrofied. World opinion called for an immediate ceasefire and to stop the killing. If the press were similiarly free to report on the civilian losses in Iraq and Afghanistan, I think the American people would turn off the spigot of funds for the defense and contractor industries who the only ones who benefit from perpetual war.

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gentlewoman
Posted by: lokicat on Aug 15, 2006 10:33 AM   
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read: Moral Courage: Taking Action When Your Values are put to The Test by Rushworth Kidder.
also: www.moral-courage.org and www.globalethics.org

GAR

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Obviously false numbers
Posted by: thedaniel on Aug 15, 2006 11:10 AM   
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Americans consume more cocaine than any other country, 300 million metric tons annually.

So, the average american consumes approximately one metric ton of cocaine per year? This has to be a typo, especially considering the fact that a majority of americans don't use cocaine. If we assuming we are a nation of 50% cokeheads (probably an overestimation by an order of magnitude), that's 2 metric tons per year, or 5.5 kilos of coke up the nose every day. Where did this statistic come from?

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To BJT above re: the WOD
Posted by: rkewen on Aug 15, 2006 11:16 AM   
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think you misunderstood what the writer meant by "free trade."

He didn't mean that the trade in drugs was legal and thus free. He was
referring to the "Free Trade" agenda that gives us gifts like NAFTA. These type trade policies encourage outsourcing manufacturing and aquisition of raw materials, thus creating borders with more stuff crossing hourly, and more containers etc. to conceal drugs for smuggling.

Actually the US doesn't import many raw materials anymore since the only thing they manufacture is hamburgers.

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Blogging Alone = Passivity
Posted by: haystack1317 on Aug 15, 2006 12:58 PM   
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If every single American that is now perched in front of a computer contributing to sites like this would take direct instead of indirect action we might be able to make a difference in the world. Make no mistake. The web can be a great incubator, but it is only an incubator. If the ideas expressed don't cross over into living, physical reality they are worthless. In fact, the web can serve as a giant valve by which pressure that otherwise might have fomented an actual movement is released . One can see this in the "polls" on sites like AOL or CNN. They ask your opinion and then list numbers. Big deal. You may feel as if you've contributed, but in reality you’ve traded a meaningless expression for what might have become meaningful had it been allowed to develop. A constant release of opinion in easy anonymous forums like this one deflates what might amount to real power if the pressure were allowed to build.

Here's my idea. FOR EVERY HOUR YOU SPEND BLOGGING, SPEND AN HOUR TAKING DIRECT ACTION IN THE PHYSICAL WORLD. You choose what this means. You consider for yourself what action might make the most difference and do it, yourself, regardless of what others may or may not be doing.

The power of advertising over the media is stronger than ever. At the same time, the web offers a vastly more open alternative. If you are someone who does participate in the exchange of information on the web, you need to do more than defend it. You need to attack those who would make information a slave to advertising by TERMINATING CABLE AND SATELLITE TV in your home. It’s not enough to participate on the web. You must attack the other side by withdrawing your support. If you feel a need to tune in to the “mainstream,” you can always find it on the web too.

Tom Paine said, “Action and care will in time wear down the strongest frame, but guilt and melancholy are poisons of quick dispatch.”

How much time do we spend sitting at computers, to be frank, feeling depressed about the world and guilty for not doing more to change it, caught up in a cycle, wondering why the left can’t seem to unite or why we don't seem to make a difference? Take example from Paine.

C. Wright Mills said, “The world of pamphleteering offered to Tom Paine a direct channel to readers that the world of mass circulations supported by advertising cannot usually afford to one who does not say already popular things.”

With the web we have a chance to be a new generation of pamphleteers. But we can't all be pamphleteers. Some of us must receive the message and act. If all anyone did after reading Common Sense was to write a reply, the Revolution would not have happened. We must not let the ability to share our thoughts so easily weaken the action that would be inspired by those thoughts. Do not delude yourself while those in power watch potential rebellion deflated time and again. You must act in the REAL WORLD.

Thomas Jefferson, who remained a friend of Paine’s even after he was slandered mercilessly by the Federalists, said, “I hold that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.”

TAKE ACTION.

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Mom'z the word
Posted by: mom'z the word on Aug 15, 2006 1:02 PM   
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"The real reason why The Lancet study is ignored, and the whole topic of civilian deaths downplayed, is because that scale of mayhem is just too sickening to accept in a news media that largely supported the invasion, and by politicians who would pay a price for even indirectly criticizing the conduct of U.S. troops who, after all, do the killing."

I would like to expound on the "real reason why" we do the things we do. Does anyone recall the memo Congress passed some years back that put a price tag on a person’s worth? I think it was during the Pentagon papers era but I cannot recall exactly. The price, I remember. It was $100,000. The purpose of this memo was to simplify the decision making process for Congress. If people were worth a set monetary amount it was easy to track their worth. The idea was that after a certain point a person becomes a liability and financial burden and is no longer a viable asset to the system. That point for Congress was $100,000.

Once deemed a liability, $100,000 spent with no return on their investment, that person was written off and ceased to exist. For Congress, barraged with requests to provide funding to the financially disabled who through no fault of there own where unable to provide the necessities of life, this became a simple and easy solution.

This would also explain why the people with the most money get the most attention. Their worth equates out as assets and therefore deserves more because they are worth more.

Knowing that a price has been set on every man, women and child’s head as a matter of public policy, for me explains the real reason why we do what we do in America. I am profoundly ashamed of this horrid and inhumane attitude set by our Congress and our government. I am committed as a human being to doing what is proper and necessary to affect a change that can restore my sense of dignity and pride as an American. I believe our most powerful weapon against injustice and tyranny is voting. We can change the world with every single ballot cast.

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International Image Cost
Posted by: Rod from Canada on Aug 15, 2006 1:32 PM   
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In addition to miscalculating the astronomical costs of misadventures in Iraq and elsewhere (never mind for a moment the ethical and moral outrages of so many actions around the world) the other thing which the current American administration seems to have totally overlooked is the financial cost to the bottom line of American corporations, and to the U.S. financial position, of conveying to the rest of the world (read external customers) such a disastrous image.

In an age of instant and abundant communication, this is much more damaging than in the past. How many countless millions around the world now keep these various reports of questionable (to use a mild adjective) U.S. activities in mind when it comes to deciding whether or not to buy an American product in a store?

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Torture unneccesary
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Aug 15, 2006 2:02 PM   
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The intelligent way to interrogate prisoners would be to give them whatever they want for 30 days and then threaten to kick them out if they won't talk. We need a little creative thinking.

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» RE: Torture unneccesary Posted by: MT512
Arms, drugs and the police-prison state - you left out the oil factor
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Aug 15, 2006 3:26 PM   
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Well, that's okay because this was such a good article - but the geopolitical entanglements of Big Oil, Big Pharma, Big Weapons and Big Finance are what allowed the lunatics to take over the US government and impliment the sadistic practices outlined above.

Yes, these same policies were carried out in secret all over the world for decades, and many people have been protesting the prison system and the SOA torturers - but now it is official US policy - meaning that the worst elements of the establishment are taking over, have taken over, and they want even more power.

The tendrils extend into every local city council, every school board, every branch of the military service, the Congress, the courts, the police, the prisons - and the source is the Bush Adminstration and their wealthy backers. Knowing the enemy is the first step in defeating the enemy - and we, the American people, have our work cut out for us.

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Corporations own us.
Posted by: HeadsUp on Aug 15, 2006 4:00 PM   
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It is not the United States Government. It’s corporations like The Carlyle group, Halliburton and Bechtel. They own and run the World Bank. They ARE the Federal Reserve.

http://www.carlylegroup.net

The Carlyle group IS the military industrial complex. Halliburton IS oil. And Bechtel IS infrastructure. Carlyle blows up oil rich countries, paid for with our tax dollars. Halliburton swoops in and takes the oil, paid for with our tax dollars and Bechtel is awarded billions to go in and rebuild what the Carlyle group blew up. Again, paid for with our tax dollars.

Add about 10 or 15 more corporations like these and then maybe you would have the whole picture. They are not picky about who or what they blow up. Innocent Iraqis, Trains in Spain, busses in London, even a few tall buildings in New York City.

All they had to do to get away with it was buy up a few media corporations.

There are NO governments, only these corporations.

Are you scared yet?

Are you madder than hell and you’re not going to take it any more!

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» RE: Corporations own us. Posted by: albrechtkrausse
Misunderstood Authour
Posted by: albrechtkrausse on Aug 15, 2006 4:09 PM   
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1) I'm not sure what wars had complete 'body counts' but I do know that for most of human history if they did have official 'body counts' they were used for cheerleading purposes only and to rally the troops. The purpose of war is to kill the enemy. Only in the very modern, highly organised States of Europe (and only for a short period of time) did war mean an almost set plan of battles and manoevers on a fixed battle-fields whilst civlians and upper-management remained free from death or inconvenience. Most of the history of warfare is characterisation of the enemy, killing them, rape, torture, pillage, seige, and, once everyone is dead, then salting the fields so nothing will grow for generations. Man is bloodthirsty and clannish. This is why war should be avoided at all costs. To be imagine that war can be civilised and clean is a mistake that too many Western powers believe (including the war-mongering neo-cons and the "let's all just get along" bleeding hearts). Both are sadly misguided as are you.
2) I don't know if this is a purely American phenomena. I think its a very human characteristic to seek out "getting high" or other altered states of conciousness. American and Western Europe certainly have corporatised this practice but I think its a basic human trait whether its from herbs, plants, alcohol, meditation, fasting, sex, or whatever. I also wonder the 'per capita' drug-usage in the USA versus other countries. Yeah, US probably leads in gross figures but, taking into account population, there are probably countries in Europe that exceed us. As for all the wars related to 'drugs'. They are a commodity like everything else and due to scarcity it is no surprise that there would be conflict over them.

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It's time to fight to legalize hemp no matter how far our
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 15, 2006 4:32 PM   
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corrupt government and the corporate interests fight against legalization. We don't need a really bloody French Revolution now do we?

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Chomsky's Butt Boy
Posted by: coldeye on Aug 15, 2006 5:00 PM   
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MIT bureaucrat Tirman audaciously claims that no moral person would condone the alleged and much exaggerated "torture" the coddled prisoners of Guantanamo and Abu Graid "suffer". Tirman, most Americans don't give a crap if such Islamist nut is deprived of a good's night's sleep. They get 3 squares and their comic Book Koran. They socialize with one another and throw shit at the guards. Most people wouldn't care if they were hosed down in pork grease. The American people know what kind of homicidal monsters the Isalmiists are and what they do to Western prisoners.

The Geneva Conventions might as well be toilet paper. The islamists have total contempt for Geneva as we should. In a war for survival, there are no "gentlemen".

People are unhappy with Iraq because we have not beat the living crap out of savages in Iraq. We have coddled the civilian population there to indulge moron Bush's fantasies about "democracy". We need to give the Shia the weapons and communications equipment to do the job. The Sunni "resistance" will cease when the next generation of Sunnis ceases to exist. We can then cut a deal with Iran and screw the fag French and Gross Russians as well as the Chinks.

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sickofsleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Aug 15, 2006 6:59 PM   
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Say what you will, you have to admit torture has increased a hundredfold under the Bush regime, much worse than any Democratic presidency

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Execute the whole fucking bunch....
Posted by: tap17x on Aug 15, 2006 7:18 PM   
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...of Bushies and associated stooges, such as Cheney, Rove, Rice, and the other psuedo-human trash. First, hang 'em for war crimes. Then shoot the corpses for crimes against humanity. Then electrocute what's left for treason. Then throw the bodies into a big vat of acid to make burial impossible. After all, they're in favor of capital punishment! Show the whole thing on Fox "News" to give the yahoos something to think about. (But what I'd really like to do would be too sadistic.)

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"Getting high" on numbers there, Tirman
Posted by: Ullern on Aug 15, 2006 8:34 PM   
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Americans screw in up many ways, sure. Here's one way John Tirman screwed up: "Americans consume ... cocaine ..., 300 million metric tons annually".

Ahem. That's about 1 metric ton per American annually.

His points may be right, but his numbers are a little... "high".

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SOON(?) to be known worldwide....
Posted by: Smiff on Aug 15, 2006 11:34 PM   
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'...soon be known worldwide as the most immoral nation on Earth'.

SOON? Hello!!

We know that there are many, many people in the US that don't support the actions that have led to this growing opinion. (Just like here in Australia, there are those of us that don't support our government's involvement).

The big question for me is, how do we get the views of the many, many around the world, that don't want it, to prevail?

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PNAC
Posted by: rock on Aug 15, 2006 11:47 PM   
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It all has to do with what the Project for the New American Century newamericancentury.org want. they want to take over the world. Just like Hitler did. That's why they get so testy when you mention Hitler and Bush in the same sentence. It strikes true like an arrow and it hurts. Hitler invaded a country that hadn't attacked them (Poland) just like the U.S. has now with the "war" in Iraq. IMHO

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American Mythology
Posted by: gonzoskismet on Aug 16, 2006 2:30 PM   
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1) 'They hate us because we're free.' Right. They hate you because your government can't mind it's own fucking business
and has over thrown their elected leaders just because who you elected, they didn't like.

2) 'They hate us because we are Christians.' Maybe if you kept your missionaries to yourselves this would stop. As they said about the American Indians 'We'll make them Christians if we have to kill them.' That's sure to win friends.

3) 'Everybody wants to be us.' This is so Paris Hilton, I can't even comment on it. But it's amazing how many Americans believe it. Vladimir Putin bitch slapped Bush over that one before the worldwide media.

And as far as Reagan is concerned, that Howdy Doody looking bastard proved one thing: A woman CAN be President of the United States. Because Nancy was the President for 8 years, not Ronny Raygun. Ask her astrologer.

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No body counts by the Govt
Posted by: Ripcord on Aug 16, 2006 4:17 PM   
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John,

2. Drugs: I agree: Case closed.

3. Torture: Again, I agree: And the psychological impact on our "torturers" will be immense and lasting. (to wit: the psychological damage to the Nazi SS who tortured and exterminated so many human beings--they still deny it.)
Case closed (for us, but not the damaged)

1. Body counts: I disagree--although your points are valid.
But to me, counting bodies as a reference point for success is morally bankrupt. Each death individualy is a travesty.
I think body counts by the military and the government demeans the losses, and it leads to grade inflation (Vietnam: we killed 300 suspected guerillas in this epic sweep of the Mekong Delta; ergo, we're winning the war.)
I like leaving the reporting to the media (PBS has done a respctful job of listing the fallen in silence. And the epidemiologists reliably apply statistic analysis to their findings.

Ripcord

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big numbers
Posted by: WRS on Aug 16, 2006 9:17 PM   
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Pardon my skepticism but 300 million metric tons of cocaine annually? An average of a ton for every man, woman and child in the country? Seems a stretch.

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It's been talked about for years and books written
Posted by: Geni on Aug 16, 2006 10:55 PM   
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I presume the Republicans didn't want to formally bring up any of the more serious charges against Clinton because too many of *them* would have been implicated too. They had to set him up instead for a trivial offense involving his private sex life.

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gramps
Posted by: gramps on Aug 17, 2006 11:58 AM   
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Why Terrorism?


What is the reason for terrorism, and what is terrorism anyway? There must be more to it than fanatics randomly killing the civilians of another country because they dislike freedom, or behavior that does not fit their own religious convictions. There has to be a better reason than that. Why would anyone strap a bomb to their waist and blow themselves up? An elderly Palestinian when asked this question on TV responded: “ What else can we do when we are faced with planes and tanks and bombs? All that we have to resist with is our own bodies.” The modern killing machines of the Israeli's and the Americans have been used against civilians. They not only drop bombs and strafe civilian non-combatants but use land mines, cluster bombs, and even have chemical and biological weapons in their arsenals. The modern warfare against non-combatants can only be answered with “You kill our civilians and we will kill yours.”

Al Quada, Hezballah, Hamas and other resistance forces are waging a war of human desperation against the might of a mechanized colossus that in the name of “national defense” saps the money of its own taxpayers to fatten the bottom line of corporations. Islam has been in the religion business for ages and has never tried to use force to impose its ideology on anyone. This can not be said for the Christian crusaders. Why would Islam decide to wage war on us in this generation?

The corporations public relations machine that has been honed by billions of dollars spent on advertising are using their brainwashing techniques to convince us that we are in danger from religious fanatics. This is just another exercise of using war as economic policy. Scare the shit out of the American people and they will quietly accept their tax money being stolen and the loss of their liberties as the Constitution is trashed. They have over twenty think tanks like Heritage and The American Enterprise Institute that provide talking heads for TV. Their lobbyists even use congressional offices to fabricate bills that they desire. The appropriations committees have just given the Pentagon another 450 billion dollars and Israel another 4 billion. What is truly frightening is that the only available liberals running for office insist that they are for an even stronger US defense budget. This is insanity—mass insanity. We already have more modern weapons than all of the countries in the world together. Even ex-president and peace nobelist Jimmy Carter proudly helped launch a nuclear submarine called—The Jimmy Carter.

We have been convinced that the billions of dollars they have taken from us are necessary in “the war against terrorism”but in a war of the Spiritual against the Material the spiritual will always win. The war mongers know this and their greatest fear is that the peoples of the world will find this out. Every attrocity committed by them has its blowback. Mel Gibson is not the only closet anti-semite that has come out of the closet in reaction to the slaughter of children at Qamas. It is no accident that Joe Leiberman lost to Ned Lamont in the primaries in spite of support from Senators Boxer and Feinstein.. In the November mid term elections the Republicans face the loss of both houses of Congress and there is a national demand for the impeachment of the Bush administration. We might not have to wait for 1998 to impeach the idiot King George. The only way to defeat terrorism is to stop giving Boeing, Northrup, General Dynamics and Halliburton our tax money and shut off the pipe line of our tax money going to Israel. Zionism has joined with the military industrial complex and every new atrocity is steering the Jewish community towards another holocaust. The Jews who are supporting Zionism in their desire for a national home are not different from the Jews who lined up at Auschwitz in the expectation of taking a shower.

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