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Three Ways (Out of 100) That America's Screwing Up the World

By John Tirman, AlterNet. Posted August 15, 2006.


From the lack of body counts in Iraq, to drug wars to torture, the United States is making the world a worse place to live in.
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100 Ways America Is Screwing Up the World (Harper Perennial, 2006), by John Tirman.

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The following three subchapters are excerpted from John Tirman's 100 Ways America Is Screwing Up the World (Harper Perennial, 2006). Read another excerpt here.

Three ways America is screwing up the world:

1. "We Don't Do Body Counts"

When U.S. General Tommy Franks uttered those words in 2003, he was conveying the new sentiments of the American military and its civilian leadership, that counting the dead of "the enemy" was not necessary or useful. Franks, who may be remembered as the only general in the annals of American history to lose two wars, was simply repeating what his political handlers told him to say, as all active duty generals do. In this case, it was an attempt to deflect the moral consequences of a "war of choice," a lesson Frank's generation learned from Vietnam. But the "no body counts" policy reverberates around the Arab and Muslim world, to America's detriment.

The policy is an insult and a mistake for two reasons. First, it lends the impression -- or is it a fact? -- that the United States does not care about civilian casualties. In the autumn of 2005, in a fairly typical sequence, the military announced that a sweep of Anbar province in Iraq had resulted in the death of 120 "terrorists." No civilian casualties were reported by the U.S. government, or by the American press. Al Jazeera, the Arabic news organization, had firsthand accounts of dozens of casualties. And it is inconceivable that major military operations of that kind would not result in casualties of the innocent. This is an embittering legacy of the war: not merely the fact of large numbers of war dead, but the neglect of even acknowledging that this could be occurring or is important enough to investigate.

Second, it is bad for the war effort itself. The American people have a right to know what is going on in their name. Learning about things like Abu Ghraib and casualties from foreign news sources or NGOs makes the revelations all the more troubling, as they think they are being lied to by their government. (Which they are, of course.) And military planners themselves should understand what the effect of operations is on civilian populations. Family ties are strong in Iraq, with close extended kinship networks; killing of family members, especially innocent family members, is likely to produce more resistance -- and more terrorists. It is one of the seemingly inexplicable things in Iraq -- how could the insurgency grow when America is so clearly a liberator, where even Sunni Arabs will ultimately be better off if only they would lay down their weapons? The answer is not only that they are former Saddamites or jihadists. The far more probable answer is that the insurgents are driven in part by acts of defense, in effect, or vengeful honor.

A military officer told me around that same time that "rules of engagement" for U.S. troops were so broad that civilians even faintly suspected of being insurgents were routinely "blown away." Men talking on cell phones, for example, while a U.S. military convoy was passing were fair game for shooting. Many anecdotes of this kind circulate, but have stimulated little curiosity on the part of journalists.

Most take at face value the estimates of Iraq Body Count, a noble effort to count, via press reports, the total number of Iraqi civilians killed in the war. Their estimate by the end of 2005 was about thirty thousand, but their method was incomplete, as they readily acknowledge, since they count only those who are reported dead in two or more reputable news sources. That's like doing the census of the United States by counting everyone mentioned in the news media.

A more complete estimate was provided by a team of epidemiologists, led by American and Iraqi health professionals, and published in the British medical journal, The Lancet. Using a well-tested method of random cluster surveys, interviewing more than 7,000 people, their midrange estimate was 98,000 dead in the first eighteen months of the war, with 80 percent of those likely to have been killed by U.S. and U.K. forces.

That report was widely dismissed in the United States as politically motivated or flawed, though the secretary of state and many others used the same method to estimate casualties in other wars, such as the Congo. (The method, by the way, while widely misunderstood, is perfectly sound.) The violence, by most accounts, increased in the next eighteen months, and one can safely assume that the actual dead in Iraq now exceed 100,000 by perhaps tens of thousands more.


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Torture
Posted by: HeroesAll on Aug 15, 2006 1:03 AM   
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America has overall been quite free of torture as an official state policy or practice, so it is perhaps a little premature to claim that the recent reliance on torture prisons for the massive detentions of fighters from Afghanistan and Iraq and others has "screwed up the world."

The author seems to have gone through a decade or two without noticing the School of the Americas (now I think it's called Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Co-operation, or WHISC).

So while the US may not have used torture 'as official state policy or practice' within the US, it's been using it, and teaching its use, in South and Central America for at least a couple of decades.

Granted, this use of torture wasn't used for the extraction of information, but simply to terrify people and their friends and relatives (as were the numerous 'disappearances'). It's still torture, it's still part of US foreign policy, and it's still being taught.

I think, therefore, that US policy has thoroughly and bloodily screwed up that part of the world, for decades (the overthrow of the Arbenz government in Guatamala was what, 1954?). Nothing's new, nothing's changed.

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adds
Posted by: rsaxto on Aug 15, 2006 3:36 AM   
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This all adds up to a steep decline in American moral fiber with the steepest decline being in the Cheney/Bush gang. The decline and fall of America as a decent nation is accelerating and we will soon be known worldwide as the most immoral nation on Earth. Impeach all the top Bushies for destroying the moral fiber of America and the rest of the world and for their numerous other crimes and misdemeanors.

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DRUGS
Posted by: Kneel on Aug 15, 2006 4:12 AM   
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After 9/11, the White House, desperate to deflect the questions about why we're devoting so many resources to fighting drug use while practically ignoring more serious dangers, ran these laughable ads with kid who got high being blamed for blowing up a building. Drug money, they told us, funds terrorists.

Petroleum money seems to have done a lot more in that department, so many we should be fighting against the imported oil. A set of spoof ads mocked the drug ones with just that premise. (Drug money also funds a lot of Canadian hippies.)

If it's really such a clear and present danger, maybe we need, as a war measure, to legalize drugs so we can grow them at home. There's no real reason to import them - all of these things can be grown and manufactured within the borders of the US, often in backyards. The dangers, to the extent they actually exist (heroin, which tunnel-visioned marijuana advocates regularly point to as one the "hard drugs" cops would be freed up to go after if pot were legalized, is actually is actually harmless - surprising, but true) could be dealt with in straight forward, rational ways. (E.g., Switzerland just started prescribing the heroin to addicts - since it's harmless - and has seen heroin use plummet throughout the country. Go figure.)

After nearly a hundred years of drug prohibition, and decades of the Drug War being undertaken in earnest with vast amounts of manpower and materiel, the only concrete result anyone can point to is an enormous and often very brutal criminal enterprise. All the Drug War is doing is doing is subsidizing organized crime, to the extent that when they write the real history of our times (assuming we leave them any sort of world to live in), the illegal drug trade will be among the top few industries. And if terrorists are getting money from it, it's pretty easy to pull the rug out from under that source of their funding. (We'll work oil next.)

We might note, too, that both screw up the environment. In the case of drugs, it's because they're illegal and it's often impossible for a processing facility to properly dispose of byproducts that would be harmless if they weren't, say, dumped in a stream. (Of course, almost all drug problems, as noted by Ethan Nadelman, are the result of prohibition, not the drugs.)

Maybe it's time to kick the narcotic of superstitions, crawl out into enlightenment (here, these sunglasses will help), and start living, and letting others live, as free human beings. (And stop screwing up the world.)

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Does he know ANYTHING about the WoD?
Posted by: BJT on Aug 15, 2006 4:20 AM   
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"Free trade helps the drug trade."

What terrifying stupidity. This person wouldn't know free trade if it bit him in the face; America has had nothing of the sort for a lifetime or more. He blames the one thing that could save us from this madness when its abolition was the very cause.

The drug trade is so lucrative because the drugs were made illegal. The freedom of the trade was killed.

The war on drugs is a failed policy, but not because we are fighting it abroad. It is a failed policy only if you think of it as though it were meant to lessen and thwart drug use. If you think of it in terms of creating an easy source of cash for clandestine government operations (the CIA dealt in drugs and may still), preserve tinpot dictators who coincide with US interests of corporate protectionism, an excuse for government confiscation of property in police raids, and an excuse for increased government power in general, the war on drugs is a smashing success.

Legalization is the only answer if you want to curb all of this crime and death. It would cease to be such a disproportionately lucrative business because the market could compete out in the open. Gone would be the days of lethal bad batches, maliciously altered batches, and all the crime that goes along with smuggling and hiding. You wouldn't even have to tax and regulate it.

He also blames pharmaceuticals and alcohol for the illegal drug trade. Please. The rise of big pharma and substance abuse is only a parallel symptom of the tremendous loss of freedom in this country. An authoritarian welfare state like ours produces irresponsibility and dependence on a colossal scale.

His book has a nice shocking little title, and "America" is "screwing up the world" in the same 100 ways that every empire before it did. The USA is not some special evil that has never been encountered before. There are imperial evils that need to be stopped and grafting Anti-American memes onto that good cause is no more helpful than grafting anti-semitism onto the goal of peace in the Middle East.

LIBERTY is the answer. What's the question?

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Drug War ? What Drug War.
Posted by: itchyvet on Aug 15, 2006 4:34 AM   
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Excuse me for being pedantic, I realise there's many readers here who would not remember Nicaragua or Guatemala nor the Sandanistas ect, ect.
They'd probably deny too, the FACT that the great wonderful U.S.A. was/is it'self fully complicite and involved in the illegal drug maufacturing/distributing industry.
Check out OLIVER NORTH on any google site folks, and stand back or else you'll be deluged with the crucifying evidance that'll stare you in the face, to support my words.

The only WAR in drugs, is when someone wishes to infringe on the U.S.'s drug turf, that's when the bullets fly and people die as a result.

Sadly, the corruption of drug pedling goes right to the top of the U.S. Administration if anyone wishes to look, they evidance is right there in front of their noses.

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Torturer online registry
Posted by: PJT on Aug 15, 2006 4:40 AM   
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I think any American personnel involved in torture (including humiliation) of prisoners should be required to register with the police of the jurisdiction in which they live, in the same manner as sex offenders are required to now. A person who tortures is a sick person. I want to know if they are living in my community, just as I wish to know if individuals who have committed sex crimes are living in my community. PJT

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Getting High
Posted by: marklar on Aug 15, 2006 4:52 AM   
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It's a decent attempt in such a short space to highlight what you described as a complex topic. Maybe there's nor in the book? But to ignore the actual overall detriment of alchohol and cigarette abuse is to ignore the most costly and deadliest drugs of all.
Tobacco kills upwards of 400,000 Americans EACH YEAR. Tobacco kills very slowly over a long period of time and it is not a glamerous drug to expose but it is by far the deadliest and most costly. Think of healthcare costs and insurances alone and your talking about tens of billions of dollars. Booze is the same thing. It adds fuel (taxes) the healthcare industry, our legal system and prisons, insurance and added on taxation.
Plus, you left out Mexico. Mexico has become not only an a producer but also an importer/exporter of narcotics including Meth, coke and heroin. As soon as the corporations manufacturing centers went up along the border so did Mexicos drug trade. I have to wonder how many U.S. corporation are involved in the illegal drug trade. There must be at least a handful. Plus you left out Izrael and how 85% of the worlds ecstacy is made by Izraeli mobsters. Then there's Big pharma and drugs such as Ocycontin, there's so much going on it's a miracle not more people get high.
A book called The Underground Empire written by James Mills (about 1990) highlighted three cases of well know traffickers in the 1980's. It's dated, but it's information is not. At that time he estimated the drug trade profits at around $3 trillion per year. An old acquintance of mine, who knew Bobby Seal, and who had first hand knowledge of the Oliver North drug smuggling scheme to fund the Contras and more ops, and a variety of the DEA/CIA so-called stings in which they were responsbile for smuggling tons and tons of coke into America for their own agencies black ops and their own profits (you only heard about them when they were caught, then they called them reverse stings) told me that the U.S. government was making tens of billions of dollars to fund balck ops programs. That was a ling time ago, I shitter to think about what they are doing today. The whole thing took on a life of its own.
But you are correct. The amount of money involved is staggering and would shock even the most knowledgable person.

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A Nation of Screw-ups
Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 15, 2006 5:08 AM   
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It's important to remember that - as this article points out - It is not just the American leaders who are ruining this troubled planet, IT IS US! Weeda people, kiddies! This is our fault! We're as much to balme as the half-witted, hideous dirtbag currently sleeping tin the White House. WE did this to the planet. WE did this to our country. WE are culpable! WE are guilty of the obscenities being committed, at this very moment, with OUR tax dollars against the children of Iraq! Remember how Edward R. Murrow closed his famous McCarthey broadcast of March 1954?

"I suppose Cassius was right, '....the fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves'. Goodnight and good luck".

Good luck, indeed!

We have become a nation of morons. Twenty-six years ago, we sent a feeble-minded dingbat by the name of Ronald Reagan to the White House who waged an unholy war against the working and middle class of this nation. All these years later, the gippers very victims, a good deal of them anyway, proclaim him a secular saint. Honestly, how jaw-droppingly stupid are we?

Two decades later we did it again only this time we REALLY MESSED UP! Within weeks of taking the oath of office it was painfully obvious that the oaf of office, the First Fool, George W. Bush, was presiding over the most blatantly criminal administration in the history of human stupidity. So what did we do? In 2004 we sent the despicable bastard back for another four years!

How dumb! How jaw-droppingly, gut-bustingly, rib-ticklingly, mind-numbingly, eye-poppingly, stomache-churningly, heart-stoppingly, brain-fuckingly dumb!

Is it any wonder that we are the laughingstock of the planet?

Pray for peace.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

Pray for peace.

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Oh! And by the way.....
Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 15, 2006 5:16 AM   
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It has just been reported by Charles McCord on the Imus In The Morning program that more Americans can name the three members of the Three Stooges than they can the three branches of government. Does that include the later Culy Joes and Shemp?

Sigh.....

Tom Degan

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THE U.S. DID MUCH WORSE THAN MERELY CONSUME THE COCAINE
Posted by: ssegallmd on Aug 15, 2006 5:54 AM   
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"Cocaine ... a lot of countries are involved. [O]ne country is most involved, not as an exporter, but the consumer: the United States."

Much more than that. Consumption is the public's contribution to the problem. The government's was much worse.

The Reagan administration was an active and witting facilitator of cocaine importation into the US in the '80s as part of the Iran-Contra debacle. Under Reagan's watch and with the help of the CIA, the use of cocaine in the US more than quadrupled during that decade. Dealing is generally considered a more serious crime than merely buying, possessing or consuming.

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Numbers don't add up
Posted by: northerner on Aug 15, 2006 5:56 AM   
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Please check your math. 300 million metric tonnes of cocaine per year? An average of 1 tonne/year for every American??? Even if you assume 5 million heavy daily users at 3 g/day uncut cocaine - both numbers seem high to me, but I'm no expert - that would add up to 5500 tonnes/year. Journalism 101: errors like this do not add to credibility.

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It's not "getting high" that's the problem...
Posted by: jackl2400 on Aug 15, 2006 6:06 AM   
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...it's the War on Drugs.

I can understand this writer is trying to be neutral here, blaming both drug users and drug warriors for the huge problems here and abroad, but the problem is really drug prohibition policies.

Drug warriors attempt both supply reduction (crop eradication, interdiction, criminal enforcement, incarceration, SWAT raids, sting operations) and demand reduction (treatment of addicts, education, propaganda). Most efforts are in supply reduction. These policies have failed to make a dent and have exacerbated the problem because they fuel the black market, essentially acting as price and profit margin supports or subsidies to illegal drug producers.

The problem, quite simply, is freedom and the drug warriors' hatred of freedom. Drug prohibition, like alcohol prohibition before it, is uniquely American, but it is the attempt at prohibition, not the use of the intoxicating or mind-altering substances themselves, which is a uniquely American, utopian policy based on false notions of morality and practicality. The roots of drug prohibition politically, not surprisingly, lie in American findamentalist religions, particularly rural evangelicals....the same people who are anti-abortion and much the same reasoning. By the force of law, they are trying to prevent their neighbors from doing something which they believe is immoral and harmful.

In other words, while I would agree that the War on Drugs is causing terrible harm to Americans both home and abroad, the author's notion that American's penchant for getting high is the problem is wrong. That's blaming one of the victims. That would be like saying (as prohibitionists like to) that the abortion problem would go away if people just stopped having sex, which of course, would be an equally desireable outcome to most pro-life advocates whose underlying notions are based on religion (sex is bad, sex not to procreate is bad, sex outside of marriage is bad, etc).

Otherwise, I agree with the analysis that the three things cited are hurting America, and I'm sure the 97 others in the book are too. I'm hope doing away with the estate tax and social security privitization should be one of those things that also gets a mention as an insane, retrograde policy.

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Who wrote that book?
Posted by: HeroesAll on Aug 15, 2006 6:46 AM   
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It's called Drug Crazy, and it's exceptionally good. It's about the "War on Drugs", and various other options that have been tried (and some which worked, unlike the WoD).

A friend's borrowed my copy, dammit, and I think he ran off to Guatemala to avoid returning it.

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Messing up the World with no compensatory offset!
Posted by: yellow on Aug 15, 2006 7:35 AM   
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One of the things that cheerleaders for US imperialism and contempt for democracy will point out is our generosity particularly when it comes to foreign aid. The US, from the much vaunted Marshall Plan for European Reconstruction ($19 billion) to the present, has been quite stingy. In 2003, the year of the invasion of Iraq, the US gave less than a total of 17 billion in tradition foreign aid which was far less than one quarter of a percent of its GDP. This is typical. The US gleans far more in profit remittances from US foreign direct investment and debt repayments from abroad which suggests that much of our foreign aid is just so much public investment in foreign business environments for US transnational corporations rather than for genuine internal development. In addition, much of this aid creates a foreign dependency on US capital and food aid by destroying the local economies of foreign countries by flooding their markets with subsidized food and creating "needs" for dollars to import more food and capital goods for import dependant economies. The US should seek less hegemonic control of the world in order to secure better relations and far fewer social and political problems outside its own borders!

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Numbers Numbers Numbers
Posted by: Liberal1 on Aug 15, 2006 7:38 AM   
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"Americans consume more cocaine than any other country, 300 million metric tons annually."

Hmm, with the U.S. population slated to reach 300 million this year, average consumption must be around 1 metric ton per inhabitant, which I suspect is well into the lethal consumption range.

In the abstract, drugs are a fascinating topic: every culture seems to embrace some sort of crutch that allows its members to escape from their mundane existence. What this compulsion is to numb our minds (and/or bodies) with drugs, television, internet, or religion is fascinating. We prescibe one of these and another grows: kind of like squeezing a balloon.

Concretely, as the world's largest consumer nation of cocaine and opiates, we create and sustain the market for their production and distribution and bear significant responsibility for the wars, injustice, and corruption that they promote. For all of our chest beating and boisterous nationalism, there is a big empty place inside that we escape from through drugs.

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USA IS DRUGS!!!
Posted by: FauxPorteno on Aug 15, 2006 7:48 AM   
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Try to wrap your mind around this figure:

On an average weekend in NYC, it is estimated that approximately 1% of the population of that city (80,000) will spend at least $200 on illegal drugs, mostly cocaine, heroin, MDMA and grass. That adds up folks - it adds up to the tune of $16,000,000 each weekend and $832,000,000 annually! Now that isn't couch cushion money and quantities of money that large can only be laundered (remember we are only factoring in NYC) by some heavy hitters namely fortune 500 companies including the largest banks all the way up to the biggest bank in the land: the Fed.

It's hilarious that the USG expects us to believe that they, far from directing the global drug trade, actually "fight a war" on drugs. Another curious statistic for you:
As recently as 2000, the Taliban had actually reduced oriental poppy production to approximately 180 tons. After the US "capture" of Afghanistan and subsequent ouster of the Taliban leadership one would likely assume that production would level off around that figure or decrease further. Production as of 2005 was hovering around a record 4500 + tons (opium gum)! The US military ENCOURAGED farmers and warlords to get back to their plots after the invasion. Afghanistan had nothing to do with pipelines, gas fields or terrorism - it had everything to do with HEROIN!

The total net profits of the drug trade probably fall somewhere between 500 billion and 1 trillion dollars annually. That is the kind of $$$$ that can finance all kinds of dirty little black-ops and even regime change. That the USG and other governments maintain such a stuanchly anti-legalization posture (the most sensible approach of course is legalization) should come as no surprise. After all we can't actually have prices coming down now can we. That would also take the criminality out of it and who would weapons contractors sell all those spiffy MAC-10's to? Another nice perk for the USG is the fact that they get to imprison millions of mostly black men along the way, thereby eliminating their right to vote in future elections. Could there be a sweeter deal for politicians? Hardly!

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gathaiga
Posted by: gathaiga on Aug 15, 2006 8:04 AM   
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A worse place?? Gee, what was your first clue?

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You Forgot the Positive Aspects
Posted by: Liger on Aug 15, 2006 8:17 AM   
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The US is certainly not perfect but you can’t simply point out all of the bad things and say it’s harming the world without adding in the positive contributions. I am certain that our contribution to the world would be a positive one if it were possible to tally such a score. Just imagine how far better off through quality of life and living standard the world as a whole is as a result of our free market economy. Look at all of the technological advances in agriculture, science, health and safety we have provided. Look at the hope for freedom and a better tomorrow we give to people around the world. No nation of people is perfect and we should always strive to be better but given the track record of other nations and governments I think we have done pretty well.

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What if we wanted to know where the bomb is...?
Posted by: Crazy H on Aug 15, 2006 8:22 AM   
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"What if there was a nuke about to go off in New York, you'd be okay with torture THEN, wouldn't you...?"

When ever some neo-con jackass starts with that argument, I respond with "I'd ask Spiderman to find it." After all, if they're going to pose comic-book problems, then I'm going to respond with comic book answers...

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A Reputation Once Lost. . .
Posted by: monkeywrench on Aug 15, 2006 8:55 AM   
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From the article:
"The torture, the illegal detentions, the unnecessary killings, the grisly prisons -- not a single benefit has been shown from this tawdriness and moral depravity. It is likely to outlive its alleged purposes and brand the perpetrators forever."

And brand a nation forever: America was once considered (deservedly or not) a "shining light" of fairness, equality and freedom by the rest of the world. That reputation is gone now; and as everyone knows, a reputation lost is not easily regained. We have betrayed the world and the world will never forget. This may turn out to be the single most damaging legacy of the Bush years – and the ramifications will be visited upon the heads of our children and our children's children. It saddens me that I will not live to see America's reputation restored.

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OH YEAH, WE FORGOT! THE "POSITIVE" PROPAGANDA!
Posted by: krose on Aug 15, 2006 9:26 AM   
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ALL YOU RIGHT-WING PAID TROLL PROPAGANDISTS!

GO OUT AND UPDATE YOUR RESUMES.

YOUR JOBS ARE ALMOST FINISHED HERE.

YOU WILL SOON BE LOOKING FOR WORK.

ALL THE REST, LETS NOT "FEED" THE TROLLS!

MAY THEY "STARVE" THEMSELVES TO DEATH!

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» Out of a job!!! - Here's my Resume Posted by: Conservasaurus
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The World?? What about how we're screwing ourselves!
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 15, 2006 9:40 AM   
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There was a constitution and Great Law in force long before anyone with white skin got here. We started off kinda rocky because leaving Europe we had no other governing foundation except theirs. It was'nt that we wanted to be free of Euro-influence,we did'nt,we just wanted more land because we had trashed Europe and the eastern Hemisphere into a disease riddled pig pen. After Franklin picked up on the Iroqois and the Constitution he thought it would be great for us white folks too. Big mistake,on the part of the Indians to ever let us in. There had already been a genocidal bent to America since 1492,the white adaptation of the Constitution was merely a legal document that gave authority to the wealthy. That's why any refference to Indian's is 'Indian Savages' and there are no mentions of Blacks or indentured servents as having any God given freedoms and liberties.
It's always been about 'Who has the most money in his pockets'. When the Truly Greedy got together to expand their Greed by forming 'Corperations' there needed to be addressed the issue of whether the Corperation had to respect the rights of people as outlined by our 'sacred documents', and in 1879 it was deemed so. Fast forward to 1989 and the Corpie bastards get away with saying our 'documents' only pertain to the govt dealing with you. The writing is on the wall.Corpie control is death to Freedom and Liberty. Jefferson styling our system after Rome was equally stupid. Centralized Power,Wealth, and Control have always bred corruption and Tyranny. Like a deer in the headlights,we stared at the comming 'hell' and welcomed it like a lost relative. Believing our 'elected ones' were working for all of our good. We have allowed the Wealthy of this Nation to become Supreme Gluttons. Because they do it with 'style'
this model is crammed down our throats as if it was good to be Greedy. Soon enough people 'buy into' the bullshit that it becomes a dominate way of life,almost sub-consciencely so.
The next thing you know there's illegal wars,rigged elections,corrupt police and militaries,inhuman and unjust laws get passed.conditions are set up to keep 25% of the people so poor they can't see the next day much less the 'ends meeting'.
Back in the 60's a kid named Abbie Hoffman spoke out against the rich,and he was one of them. If a person who's raised in the presence of excess can see it's a failed way to live then it must be so. To recognize that everyone needed a belly full of food,a safe place to live,and a clean environment
isn't 'radical', it's Logical.
This way of life we call 'American' is out of balance with Nature, The People of this Nation and the World as a whole.
For us to continue in this direction means we no longer hold Freedom and Liberty in high regard. That we believe the rights of others are meaningless,unless they have lots of money or guns. It means we think the natural World is ours for the taking until all life is poisoned and dead. It means you probably voted for the lesser of two evils. Just imagine how fast things would change for the better if we had a 'NONE OF THE ABOVE' slot on the ballot. Now that's Freedom of Choice!

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jennherne
Posted by: jennherne on Aug 15, 2006 9:49 AM   
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OK so I'm 68 YO & a little crotchity. But your sub-head is another way we are screwing up the world. "...a place to live in". Shouldn't that be "...a place in which to live"?

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Tirman's Book - 100 ways - is great
Posted by: imagenuitybot on Aug 15, 2006 9:53 AM   
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Simply because of it's conciceness and clarity, Tirman's points will hopefully be read by a wider audience than AlterNet readers. It also provides remarkably accessible arguments that stay on the clean side of conspiracy and global hegemony.

Tirman explains America's faults like a 3rd grade teacher to a disruptive child's parent, in that cautious 'please don't be offended' manner. While exposing the issues, it also highlights the fact that spankings are outlawed and we're largely powerless except to bitch and moan. (Ineffectual Freedom of Speech - Effectual speech gets you locked up or targeted)

At least the masses won't be able to claim ignorance.

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Just wait
Posted by: Gregor on Aug 15, 2006 10:10 AM   
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Wait until the US "accidentally" releases germ warfare (Probably first on its own) and says its a terrorist attack. Of course in 1981 they said that is what the AIDS virus was, a germ warfare experimentally tried out in Africa. At the time there were supporting documents to that information.

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Totally exaggerated Drug use math
Posted by: common intelligence on Aug 15, 2006 10:14 AM   
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I'm sorry but the simple logic of numbers used in all statistical reports of drugs used and drug confiscated are always exaggerated. Like you say ..."300 million metric tons of