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The Grave Consequences of Supporting War in Lebanon

By Scott Ritter, AlterNet. Posted August 9, 2006.


The longer we underwrite the ongoing Israeli slaughter of the Lebanese people, the more the United States becomes a legitimate military target.

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With Israel waging an all-out war against the forces of Hezbollah, and the death toll in terms of civilian casualties mounting on a daily basis, the question of a diplomatic resolution to the crisis takes on an urgency that is being felt around the world. Everywhere, it seems, except in Israel and the United States. One should not be fooled by the "false" diplomacy being waged by the United States, fronted by Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice and the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, John Bolton.

The draft Security Council resolution co-sponsored between the United States and France is but a tragic farce, a smoke screen designed to unilaterally protect Israeli interests at the expense of all others that is so transparent no Arab nation takes it seriously (it has been rejected outright by Lebanon, Syria and Hezbollah).

There are several reasons for this apparent lack of concern on the part of the primary belligerent (Israel) and its No. 1 underwriter (the United States). First and foremost is the fact that the ongoing violence being waged against Hezbollah is not, contrary to popular opinion, a knee-jerk reaction to the attack against Israel by Hezbollah that resulted in several dead Israeli soldiers and two taken prisoner. It is rather part and parcel of a long-planned strike designed not only to neutralize Hezbollah, but also its largest international supporters, namely Syria and Iran. As such, Israel (and by extension, the United States) has certain predesignated goals and objectives that need to be reached, and no cease-fire will be willingly undertaken until they are. These include the military destruction of Hezbollah and its political isolation, along with its major supporter Iran.

But as the global hue and cry over the indiscriminate death and destruction being inflicted on the innocent civilians of Lebanon by the Israeli Defense Force continues to mount, drowning out any legitimate counter Israel may have by citing similar indiscriminate loss of life and property caused by Hezbollah rockets, Israel and its supporters in Washington, D.C., recognize that there is a limit to what the world will be willing to tolerate.

Already Israel and the United States are feeling the brunt of a diplomatic backlash resulting from the horrific devastation rained down on the people of Lebanon as a result of Israel's blind rage and America's misguided support of everything that is done in the name of Israel.

This does not mean that America's support of Israel's legitimate security concerns is bad policy; just the opposite. Supporting Israel's right to exist, and its right to defend itself against those who wish to do it harm, is the soundest possible policy a democracy such as America could embrace. But as a nation built on the belief that all humans are created equal, and that oppression of one party by another represents a tyranny that must be opposed, it is high time that the United States learn to differentiate between what constitutes legitimate Israeli security concerns, and what constitutes regional hegemony, tyranny and oppression.

Knee-jerk reactions aside, there is really no foundation upon which Americans can morally continue to support the Israeli actions in Lebanon. Indeed, many Americans, joined by like-minded people around the world, are increasingly taking a position that opposes the Israeli military assault on Lebanon.

There is a difference between being opposed to Israeli action, and having a viable plan on what to do instead. One of the main problems is the fact that Israel (and its supporters here in the United States) have sagely exploited the lexicon of terror, a politically savvy move in post 9/11 America that makes the formulation of any viable opposition to what the Israelis claim to be a legitimate response in the face of terror virtually impossible.

When evaluating the Israeli position on Hezbollah, we should never forget that it was Hezbollah, alone among the forces in the Arab world, that defeated Israel, compelling the Israeli Defense Force to withdraw from southern Lebanon in May 2000 after a disastrous 18-year occupation. National pride, combined with hegemonic hubris born of out-of-control Zionism, prevents Israel from ever accepting this result or forgiving Hasan Nasrullah or his followers for this "crime."

Israel claims the moral high ground in this current round of conflict, citing the July 12 attack by Hezbollah on an Israeli Army patrol that left eight IDF soldiers dead and two captured. The disproportionality of response aside (Hezbollah fires hundreds of rockets into Israel, and gets thousands of artillery shells and aerial bombs in return; Israel's civilian casualties run in the scores, Lebanon's in the hundreds), Israel's claim as the aggrieved party simply does not withstand the test of history and fact.

Hezbollah is a direct byproduct of the 1982 Israeli invasion and subsequent occupation of Lebanon. In the chaos and anarchy that followed, Israel helped facilitate disunity and dysfunction within Lebanon by promoting the interests of the Lebanese Christian minority over Lebanese Muslims, Sunni and Shi'a alike. Hezbollah as an organization grew from this political morass, representing the legitimate aspirations of the Shi'a Lebanese of southern and eastern Lebanon. Albeit largely funded and supplied by Iran and Syria, Hezbollah is not an international organization, but one distinctly Lebanese. Its function has been to liberate Lebanon from Israeli aggression. To call Hezbollah a terrorist organization is not only a misuse of terminology, but also symptomatic of the larger problem that plagues both Israel and the United States when it comes to dealing with the Middle East as a whole.


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Scott Ritter served as chief U.N. weapons inspector in Iraq from 1991 until his resignation in 1998. He is the author of, most recently, "Iraq Confidential: The Untold Story of the Intelligence Conspiracy to Undermine the U.N. and Overthrow Saddam Hussein" (Nation Books, 2005).

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Posted by: zara on Aug 9, 2006 1:00 AM   
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This is an excellent article. It is very incisive and gets to the heart of the real issues in this terrible and unecessary war. It deserves to be circulated widely, particularly in the US. The media coverage in the US has been appallingly biased and skewed in favour of Israel. Ritter has been proved right time and time again on the Iraq war and he is right here too.

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The Hezbollah terrorists will be defeated like all others who tried to destroy Israel. Accept it.
Posted by: MTreich on Aug 9, 2006 2:03 AM   
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‘Hezbollah’s function has been to liberate Lebanon from Israeli aggression.’
Next time the author should check with the terrorist organization Hezbollah. Their stated reason for existence, just like the terrorist organization Hamas is to DESTROY Israel. What part of DESTROY don’t people get?


Anyways look, the basic issue here is simple. Hezbollah exists to destroy Israel, not to push Israel back to some green line. Only ignorant fools who ignore Hezbollah’s own charter believe this. Now most of the Lebanese people don’t care about Israel but they would rather their country not be used as a target range for Israeli bombers which is the reason why Lebanon has tried to settle the issue. But their military is so weak it can’t stop Israel or Hezbollah, so the poor people of Lebanon are entirely irrelevant.

So, logic concludes there are only a limited number of ways the conflict can be resolved. If Hezbollah gets what it wants (according to it’s official charter) and destroys Israel or if Israel destroys Hezbollah, if an international force disarms Hezbollah or if Hezbollah accepts Israel as it’s neighbor.

But a terrorist organization will not be allowed to sit on Israel’s border. We have seen what happened to those who have tried to destroy Israel. Recall when every one of Israel’s neighbors launched a war to destroy her completely unprovoked (and were beat back) and then again years later when three of Israel’s Arab neighbors again tried to destroy her completely unprovoked (and were again beat back into humiliation).

Israel has a right to exist according to the nations of the world via UN sanction and Israel has exercised that right before. Hamas and Hezbollah should take note of what happened to those who tried to destroy Israel before them. For it is also their future to be beat back into humiliation.

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» Double Plus Ungood Posted by: srqwolf
just wondering
Posted by: mokidugway on Aug 9, 2006 2:14 AM   
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Ritter makes some strikingly accurate statements about the conditions that lead us to the brink of global war, and his conclusions are both reasonable and chilling.

I do take issue with his discussion of why Hezbollah took the soldiers captive, though. Timing is a big part of what has happened here, so I think Ritter is a bit disingenuous when he links Hezbollah's action to a precept handed down in 2000 and doesn't examine motives behind this particular raid. First the capture of Shalit in Gaza, then the capture of these (not nameless, I had to check on that) two soldiers in Lebanon. Both organizations demanded a prisoner exchange, which is normal when you look at similar conflicts in the past, but there are even more coincidences: military wings of resistance party represented with seats in Parliment; strictly military targets.

In other words, if you accuse Israel of having planned this engagement well in advance, which I have no problem believing, how to you account for the mirroring captures in Gaza and Lebanon?

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A pre-emptive strike
Posted by: HeroesAll on Aug 9, 2006 2:40 AM   
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One last attempt at rationality, in the face of the posters who continue to post the same shrill accusations, repeated parrot-fashion in the face of any and all coherent argument. I'll try to keep it brief, although it'll be hard.

1) The Hezbollah charter: in the midst of a sea of people claiming things about the charter, I found what seems to be the document which has come to be referred to as the charter. Check it out here. Here's an extract:

Our Objectives
Let us put it truthfully: the sons of Hizhallah know who are their major enemies in the Middle East - the Phalanges, Israel, France and the US. The sons of our umma are now in a state of growing confrontation with them, and will remain so until the realization of the following three objectives:

(a) to expel the Americans. the French and their allies definitely from Lebanon, putting an end to any colonialist entity on our land;
(b) to submit the Phalanges to a just power and bring them all to justice for the crimes they have perpetrated against Muslims and Christians;
(c) to permit all the sons of our people to determine their future and to choose in all the liberty the form of government they desire. We call upon all of them to pick the option of Islamic government which, alone, is capable of guaranteeing justice and liberty for all. Only an Islamic regime can stop any further tentative attempts of imperialistic infiltration into our country.


Seems to me that what's most important to them is self-determination. And just in case you think I'm cherry-picking, it also says this in the last section:

Our primary assumption in our fight against Israel states that the Zionist entity is aggressive from its inception, and built on lands wrested from their owners, at the expense of the rights of the Muslim people. Therefore our struggle will end only when this entity is obliterated. We recognize no treaty with it, no cease fire, and no peace agreements, whether separate or consolidated.

Now, a thoughtful reading of the whole text paints a somewhat different picture from the foaming-at-the-mouth, bearded, wild-eyed crazy men intent on nothing other than the destruction of Israel. I do urge people to read it, and think about it. It's clear that Hezbollah's main goal, like that of Hamas, is to drive the invading Israelis out of the occupied areas.

So I'm reasonably confident that, should Israel decide to actually withdraw, completely and in good faith, then Hezbollah and Hamas would continue down the path of moving from violence to politics. This has been demonstrated to some extent by the fact that, when the Israeli attacks drop, the Hezbollah and Hamas attacks drop also.

It's also clear to anyone with a brain that Israel has never really withdrawn from anywhere. Gaza, you say? They may have moved a few settlers out, but they kept the inhabitants penned, and made frequent incursions. It wasn't sovereign territory.

Please note, before you accuse me of all sorts of deviltry, that I don't support anyone bombing anyone. I think innocent people everywhere should be able to live their lives without being killed by someone else's fight. I also think that innocent people should be able to live their lives without being driven out of their homes, or penned in ghettos, or kidnapped and imprisoned arbitrarily, in the cause of someone else's fight. I deplore the bombing of innocents on any side, so don't shriek that I'm supporting terrorists.

CONTINUED...

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» A pre-emptive strike part deux Posted by: HeroesAll
» A pre-emptive strike part trois Posted by: HeroesAll
» Okay, one more brief comment Posted by: HeroesAll
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» Well stated, HeroesAll, but... Posted by: Wesley69
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Israel the Terrorist State, USA the supporter
Posted by: IanA on Aug 9, 2006 3:25 AM   
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We are told by American and Israeli governments and their obedient media that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization, which it is not, and that Israel cannot negotiate a future solution with the elected government of the Palestinian territories' people because Hammas is a "terrorist" organization.

Although I posted this before, I would like all those who have appreciated the excellent article above, and those who will decry it as another misrepresentation in what they see as, "Israel’s fight for survival against terrorist organizations and their state sponsors who's aim is irradiation of the state of Israel..." or something like that. Before anyone uses the word "terrorism" again. I would like so much for them to carefully read and understand the definitions and the meaning in terms of the on-going horrors meted out over the past 40 years in Gaza and the West Bank and the repeated destruction, violation and interference with Lebanon over 30 or more years.

“Terrorism” : Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of Law, © 1996 Merriam-Webster, Inc.
n : the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear.

"State terrorism": Wikipedia definition : violence against civilians perpetrated by a national government or proxy state. ……… State terrorism, where applicable, may be directed toward the population or infrastructure of the state in question or towards the population of other states. Although attacks on non-combatant civilians may occur during a time of war, they are usually considered terrorism, especially if these are not attacks on the enemy's war fighting capacity (for example an industrial port).

What we appear to have in terms of Hezbollah and Hammas are organizations accepting the inevitable need for a political solution while the state of Israel with the sponsorship and support of the USA remains in denial preferring to use “terrorism”.

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» That's why they call it Orwellian Posted by: mokidugway
exactly
Posted by: rsaxto on Aug 9, 2006 3:59 AM   
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Ritter has it exactly right: the excessive violence of the Bushies and the Israelis foretells the decline and fall of USA/Israel hegemony as most of the world is becoming increasingly concerned over the excessive violence, brutality and suffering the excess bombing campaigns are causing. The Bushies are causing the collapse of the American Empire.

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» RE: exactly Posted by: peridot
Unraveling the game...
Posted by: Captainmagic on Aug 9, 2006 4:10 AM   
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Is a priority. Isreal is to draw them in and in will come the big US guns.......Smokescreens and lies...Ok we will do it but remember we must neutralise the Muslims or we will be pushed back into the sea from where we came.....We will come to your aid after all the trophy will be the oil and dominance of the ME....a small force of some 100+ thousand to Iraq...may, be overrun and then that will present us with the rationale for a tactical release of radiation, it's a broken arrow situation and they WILL use the mini nuke...I had said to some of my collegues after the withdrawal of Syria from Lebanon that something was up...I guess I am looking for straws and camels at the moment to see when and which way it will fall...One thing is for sure though the Arabs and Shiite are awake to it all....that is perhaps one reason why Shiites have not attacked the marines etc as aggressivley as they might otherwise choose to do. They are obviously very aware of the Idiot with the nukes..So it's just a big balancing act....one that slaughters innocents of any race.....it could be you or me couldn't it....they really don't care...Herosall you sound like one tuff lady...but I raise my glass to you. If when in the field with the green machine, you spoke with such clarity, you where said to be speaking gospel.

Regards Captain

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» the game Posted by: LDavistrueblue
U.S. supplies warring nations
Posted by: Moonray on Aug 9, 2006 4:47 AM   
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The Israel-Lebanon bloodbath underscores the need to stop the world's chief arms makers -- the U.S., Russia, China and a few others -- from supplying weapons to nations around the globe.

We agonize about the spread of nuclear weapons -- and rightly so -- but often forget that it's conventional weapons that are slaughtering thousands every year.

We need to turn off that spigot. The U.S. should lead the way with a new worldwide arms treaty to stop this trading in death-dealing technology.

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Hezbollah, Hamas, Syria, Iran & Lebanon have a right to defend themselves
Posted by: marklar on Aug 9, 2006 5:02 AM   
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Every word Scott Ritter spoke prior to the folly if invading Iraq has been proven true. There's no reason to think that anything he says today is innacurate. In fact he' right on the money ech and every time he speaks or write.
He tells the truth, no flair, no bullshit. I've been in the room when he's appeared here several times and each time he is convincing and sincere. He bats away accusations and attacks leveid at him with the truth like it is. This is why you won't find him on TV very much - too much truth is bad for fascistic governance and America is currently a fascist state. Without the U.S. Izrael would be forced to make peace with its neighbors and that would be bad for Zionism. Excellent stuff yet agian by Ritter.

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august 9, 2006 WAWA blog
Posted by: wawa on Aug 9, 2006 5:02 AM   
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August 9, 2006
I began writing about Paul Larudee on the WAWA blog in June.

Paul is an American citizen who spent two weeks in a Ben Gurion detention cell in June, had a 'trial' and was still deported without being able to enter Israel because he is a NONVIOLENT resister against the occupation in Palestine.

Paul is also a co-founder of ISM/International Solidarity Movement: grass roots that is spreading like a wild fire through the world and is now converging in Lebanon.

ISM co-founders (and husband and wife) Adam Shapiro and Huwaida Arraf, Paul Larudee, other internationals and Lebanese nonviolent resisters will be taking a caravan of 50-100 cars south from Beirut to southern Lebanon on Saturday to bring supplies to that devastated region.


To sign the petition of support of
NONVIOLENT Resistance please visit:

http://www.lebanonsolidarity.org/


Call for Action
August 7th, 2006
‘Lebanon: An Open Country for Civil Resistance’

We, the people of Lebanon, call upon the local and international community to join a campaign of civil resistance to Israel’s war against our country and our people. We declare Lebanon an open country for civil resistance.

In the face of Israel’s systematic killing of our people, the indiscriminate bombing of our towns, the scorching of our villages, and the attempted destruction of our civil infrastructure, we say NO!

In the face of the forced expulsion of a quarter of our population from their homes throughout Lebanon, and the complicity of governments and international bodies, we re-affirm the acts of civil resistance that began from the first day of the Israeli assault, and we stress and add the urgent need TO ACT!

We urge you to join us in defying Israel’s aggression against our country and in defending the rights of the inhabitants throughout Lebanon, and particularly in the South, to live on their land. When the United Nations, created to preserve peace and security in the world, is paralyzed; when governments become complicit in war crimes, then people must show their strength and rise up. When justice and human rights are scorned, those who care must unite in their defense.

Building on our belief in our country, the efforts of the civil resistance, and on the arrival of the internationals coming to Lebanon for solidarity, we declare that Lebanon is an open country for civil resistance, starting from August 12.

On August 12 at 7 am, we will gather in Martyrs’ Square to form a civilian convoy to the south of Lebanon. Hundreds of Lebanese and international civilians will carry relief as an expression of solidarity for the inhabitants of the heavily destroyed south who have been bravely withstanding the assault of the Israeli military.

After August 12th, the campaign will continue with a series of civil actions for which your presence and participation is needed. Working together in solidarity we will overcome the complacency, inaction, and complicity of the international community and we will deny Israel its goal of removing Lebanese from their land and destroying the fabric of our country.


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America at high risk, maybe worse than before 9/11
Posted by: Bobsays on Aug 9, 2006 5:28 AM   
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Israel likes to say they won't tolerate a terrorist organisation on its border, but will not take responsibility for the consequences of their policies. The US is the same. There seems to be a disconnect between the rise of these groups and their grievances, and the foreign policy of the US and Israel.

As we can see in Iraq and Afghanistan, handing over the whole approach to this problem to right-wing militarists, rather than delivering victory and peace, have embroiled the whole west in horrible guerilla wars.

If this strategy and tactics worked, then we would have been victorious within four years (like WWII). But instead, it has been five years, and we seem to be just getting through the first phase (the second phase being things getting really bad, before we reach the third phase, peace?).

Israel is pursuing this same failed approach. The are making the same strident right wing noises, but are now finding on the battlefield that victory is harder than they thought.

Bush's 'long war' is the equivalent of a student saying the long-delayed essay they are working on is the 'long essay'. Without a deadline and timescale, we are facing war without end, like something out of George Orwell's 1984.

If we know what we want, then lets mobilise on a mass scale to get it done. Rumsfeld's 'war lite' is not working. This means we need to know what it is we are fighting over. What is the legitimacy? Is it about peace and freedom, or oil and economic security?

Here is my ten point plan to a better world:

1) Mass mobilsation in all western countries. This doesn't mean just for the military, but also for building the peace (NGOs, business, culture etc.)
2) Scrap the current structure and staff of the UN agencies. We need new international bodies reflecting the challenges of our times, and we need new people free from today's corruption
3) Mass council of the learned. We need to develop coherant networks of intellectuals and cultural thinkers who are focused on the fight for freedom of expression and democracy. They should strategise the arguments to defeat the islamist fascists
4) We need to look at our societies with a clear head. In WWII, governments recognised that soldiers were fighting for countries fit for victory. It became obvious that there was much wrong with life in the western world, and that we couldn't defeat fascism without recognising our own societies had many failings. We are now in an age of rampant greed, social dislocation, lost identities, atomised populations, crumbling cities, bosses pitching workers against each other. We need to address these problems if we are to ask of this generation of people to make the sacrfices necessary to defeat islamic fascism.
5) Immigration: this issue must be discussed and we need to acknowledge its corrosive effects on social cohesion.
6) Environmental collapse: we can already see that wars for resources are happening
7) Global legal rights and responsibilities: we saw with the rise of the UN, the rise of global rights. But without responsibilities, these rights have become a farce, as governments kill and abuse their citizens without consequences
8) Technology: it is changing everything and giving rise to a new world. What does this mean for morality?
9) Space: while we are busing killing terrorists, the Chinese are making plans to dominate space.
10) All countries need to be equal. We need to end the unipolar, or multipolar world. The US clearly can't act as the hegemon without warping its values. The idea of US supremacy advocated by Bush, will just bring lots of wars. The US needs to forget its 'exceptionalism' and march hand in hand with other countries.

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Right (and write) on, Ritter
Posted by: Rod in 83706 on Aug 9, 2006 5:43 AM   
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Ritter is right in most everything he says, and he writes very well. I only disagree when he says our support for Israel should be nuanced (as in we should oppose Israel's destruction of Lebanon, but in general support Israel). No, we should be neutral, it is none of our business.

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Who's the 'real' targets.
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 9, 2006 6:45 AM   
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Not that I watch a lot of News Programming or anything,you can't get away from it. There is one thing I do notice,besides all the death and killing and burnt bodiesand buildings. That is simply this...most of the damages,on both sides, is in areas that house the poor, low income, elderly and a lot of 'Mom and Pop' style entreprizes. This begs the question,'Just who the hell is the enemy?'. Before you get you feathers all bunched up,look at this thing objectivly. This is going on on BOTH sides of the issue.
If it's the low-income and poor districts that are getting bombed,shot up, and reduced to rubble, will they be taken in by their middle class nieghbors? Have'nt heard or seen it yet.
Why are'nt the houses and businesses of the well to do being destroyed? How come these places are left alone when war and death are reigning down all around? Co-conspiritors? Maybe. More likely it's the fact that it takes a ton of capital to rebuild districts and if they kill off the rich there won't be anyone left to be the new 'Overlords'.
All the news that's comming out of the Mid-East and else- where,really is'nt that different than what's going on in the inner cities of America. I used to live on 6th st in Philly. Turn of the century Brownstone in an old neighborhood,suffering from neglect. I was stationed at the Navy base. It was outside my front window I 'heard' my first shooting in the head. Not in combat, in the city. They were arguing over a bottle. They were drinking because the area they used to live in had been torn down to make way for a shopping center that neither of them had the money to shop at.
We are not fighting a hienous enemy that uses dreadful practices to get it's ends. The Very Rich are merely removing the Very Poor who are standing in the way of their special vision of progress. It has been so throughout time and is no different now. Who runs the Govt? Millionaires, Multi- millionaires,and billionaires. Some elected,most not. They see themsleves as the new kings and potentaits of our civilization.
Would you like to see wars ended? Start bombing rich districts. Blockade the entrances to their places of business, stop voting. Why stop voting? Simple, the only folks that can run a campaign are the rich,they buy all the media time,control the press and the electoral system. That's why your vote never really counts. Now answer me this, 'Who really needs a Govt. The poor person that's fishing in a poisoned stream for a meal,or the folks ordering a four course meal at a five star restruant?'.

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» the darkness Posted by: ark
Until we learn history, nothing will change.
Posted by: jreinhart1 on Aug 9, 2006 7:07 AM   
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The history of both the US and Israel are fabricated pieces of fantasy. The US has been an Empire in search of ever greater imperial power since 1893 and Israel was founded by a group of terrorists that came out of the World Zionist Organisation in 1890. There are two books that I would recommend as a start to understanding where both countries have been and where they appear to be going and choices that have to be made. Kinser's "Overthrow" and Perkin's "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" are a start. To bette understand the history of Zionism as apposed to Judaism, True Torah against Zionism has excellent history of Zionism at the http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ website. Jews not Zionists at http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/ identifies the differences of the faith of Judaism and concept of Zionism. The Islamic jihad (mujahadeen) has gone far beyond the reason in Q'ran as well. However, when it comes to the raping of countries for resources, money and using other country's people for sweatshop and even slave labor, the US is without equal around the world and is now working inward against its own. We either face the facts or we will face the consequences.

If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.

Thomas Jefferson

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comment about t.v. news
Posted by: scott balogh on Aug 9, 2006 7:30 AM   
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I do not recall seeing any of the graphic results of the violence in Iraq/U.S. war on t.v. news the way they are showing the results of the Israel/Lebanon war. Also, the up to the minute score keeping regarding the casualties of the Iraquis has been missing. Odd how I get the feeling that the enemy of "the people" include our own government and the businesses that support it.

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Are we too afraid to look for alternatives to violence or do we crave it?
Posted by: scribbler on Aug 9, 2006 7:35 AM   
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Are we too afraid to look for alternatives to violence by supporting a world court/un commission that listens to the grievances of groups of people not just nations and negotiates resolutions? Or is that too tough for humans addicted to violent ways of resolving conflict?

In the media news - I hear a lot of Israel's reasons for feeling afraid, justifiably provoked into violence, victimized and unfairly treated... but I also hear snippets of why Hezbollah and its supporters, Palestinian groups and certainly ordinary Lebanese feel also feel afraid, justifiably provoked into violence, victimized and unfairly treated. That's when I thought most civilized people go to court rather than think they can right their wrongs by killing the most people.

If your reaction is, but terrorists just want to destroy Western civilization, have the courage to read "Enemy Combatant" by M. Beggs, a UK citizen and former prisoner of Guantanamo. You'll get to know the hearts and minds of the types of people rushing now to help bombed Lebanese and, as a result, increasing Hezbollah's support.

And, while we're listening to people our government labels terrorists, we can also check out the blog of an Iraqi women's tour of America at www.WomenSayNoToWar.org to listen to 6 Iraqi women - a doctor, pharmacy director, professor, journalist, pharmacist and civil engineer - who came to America in March 06, brought by CodePink, to tell us what life under the US occupation is like for families.

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My greatest fear: a total oil embargo by all oil exporting nations
Posted by: jreinhart1 on Aug 9, 2006 7:43 AM   
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With the continuation of hostilities and overwhelming agression by Israel on the occupied Palastinian territories and Lebanon, the people of all Islamic nations are becoming hostile to any leader that does nothing (i.e. Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, all of North Africa, Kuwait, UAE, Iran...). The history of US economic hijacking of country's wealth in Nigeria, Venezuela, Equador and non-Islamic countries have the same attitudes to the US as Islamic nations. It is feasible that all of these countries could embargo the west, especially the US. In the 1970s, the America imported 25% of it's oil and no natural gas. We now import 65% of our oil and 40% of our natural gas.

This administration would likely try to strike any or many of these nations with all forms of weaponry as most people would believe that this is a "terrorist" act. This could easily escalate into a world wide nuclear war as Iran is part of the Shanghi Cooperation Organization (China, Russia, many of the -stans, and part of southeast Asia). China has oil interests in the same places as the US. We may be looking at the next dark ages.

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THE GOOD OIL DAYS
Posted by: cognitorex on Aug 9, 2006 8:28 AM   
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(President Bush softly sings.)

I miss Arafat in the Springtime,
I miss Saddam in the fall,
Lebanon‘s a mess, it‘s in splinters,
I had no idea at all.

Our only pal, Saudi’s being squeezed cuz of Palestine,
And Hugo’s kissing sheiks, what gall,
Rummy says they fight less in the winter,
I had no idea at all.

Condi says this mess is a great opportunity,
Some laugh, but what constitutes reality, is my call,
Every planetary wide entity hates us, look Mom, I really am a ‘Uniter’,
Bombs Away, bombs away, you’all.

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A Target On Our Back
Posted by: NoPCZone on Aug 9, 2006 9:44 AM   
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We (the US, via our Government) give more aid to Israel than any other country in the world.. It figures out to about $500 per Israeli citizen every year. It also is overwhelmingly used for the Israeli military, which is a very good customer of US arms manufacturers.

The society we support is nothing more than another form of Apartheid. For a moment forget all of the who shot who, who blew up what and all of the rest and consider what underlies the long and multi-faceted history of violence and strife in that area. You have a modern & prosperous population living among a repressed and largely disadvantaged one and largely at their personal expense. Aside from all other arguments this is fundamentally wrong by any standard.

The fact that we support such a society and government so openly and aggressively is no secret in the Middle East and we are resented/hated for it. Now that Israel has decided to systemically destroy the fragile democracy in Lebanon a whole new generation can grow up hating and wanting to strike back at what has caused so much pain and misery in their lives. Just like throwing a match in gasoline.

I'm not trying to justify anything. Wrong is wrong regardless of the source or ideology. But when-- not if-- Americans or our nation is targeted by people from this part of the world, remember:

US tax dollars bought and paid for it.
US weapons enabled it.
US intelligence informed and guided it.
US foreign policy supported it.
US military aircraft resupplied it.
US media supported it.
and
The majority of US citizens said nothing against it.

If you are an American, George W. Bush & Co has just painted a huge neon target on your back.

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Thank you
Posted by: badkitty on Aug 9, 2006 10:06 AM   
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Thank you, Scott, for your usual informed common sense. What we do without you and Ray McGovern?

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Earth To Scottie
Posted by: malcolmartin on Aug 9, 2006 10:17 AM   
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Scott I'm afraid capitalism has begun wheezing and sputtering under the influence of its fatal contradictions. One of the more graphic illustrations of the system’s growing irrationality is being vividly painted now by one of its forward outposts—Israel. The state that Zionism created has begun sensing its mortality and is thrashing around accordingly. The guardians of the state are clearly in the grip of fear and uncertainty. The indiscriminate bombing in Lebanon and Gaza and the resultant killing of civilians and destruction of infrastructure, the kidnapping of Hamas legislators, the targeting of a U.N. observer post and now the outrage on Qana are desperate acts increasingly outside the bounds of common sense.

Completely out of the blue on several recent occasions and in leaflets dropped on the Lebanese, Israeli leaders have felt compelled to mention their power to erase Lebanon from the planet. The Israelis are blustering past the graveyard and their bully’s trepidation is bound to grow now that their adventure has gone badly. Prime Minister Olmert and his security cabinet are moving in fits and starts. When the Israeli military’s nose was bloodied at Bint Jbail, they gave up on the idea of driving to the Litani River to establish their so-called buffer zone. When the security cabinet realized the electrifying effect of this turn on the Arab people, they poured troops across the border and returned to their original plan but deep down they know that militarily speaking, only a Pyrrhic victory is available against Hizbollah.

One thing the Israeli assault on the Gaza and Lebanon has made clearer is the alignment of forces in the Arab and Muslim world. Ironically, in different fashions both Hamas and Hizbollah were creations of Israel. Hamas was supposed to act as a counterweight to the Palestine Liberation Organization when Israel considered the PLO the most immediate threat to their domination of the Arab majority. Hizbollah filled the gapping chasm Israel created with the 1982 invasion and years long occupation of southern Lebanon. Both Hamas and Hizbollah have, through years of disciplined work and organizing, woven themselves into the lives of the respective peoples they seek to liberate. What a stark contrast with the rich Arab boys who have created the cult they call al-Qaeda. See the clownish Ayman al-Zawahiri rush to his camcorder after Hizbollah faces down the Israeli military to spout some silly rhetoric about a caliphate from Spain to Iraq in front of a poster that screams, “Please remember us, we did 9/11!”

Under normal circumstances the impending death of a form of racism like Zionism (see the picture of young Israeli girls writing messages and drawing on missile warheads soon to rain down on Lebanon) and the establishment of a secular state on the territory Israel now occupies where Palestinian Arabs of various religious persuasions and Jews could peacefully co-exist as equals would be cause for human celebration. Unfortunately, the insanity that clearly grips Israel means they will likely resort to attacks on Damascus and Tehran and then to use of their nuclear arsenal when all else fails. And that, on a larger scale, is the dilemma that the whole world faces as the capitalist system spearheaded by the United States passes into history.

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Sanitized embedded propaganda in the US media
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Aug 9, 2006 12:04 PM   
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Scott Ritter's comments are worth repeating:

"Take, in closing, the manner in which Israel and the United States have painted Hezbollah's military underwriters in Iran and Syria. If Hezbollah resistance continues (as it seems likely to do), the United States and Israel have stated that Syria and Iran become, by extension, legitimate military targets.

This discussion is offered without any thought or recognition of the "other side of the coin," namely the mindset in much of the Arab and Muslim world that if Iran and Syria are targeted for providing military support for Hezbollah, then the No. 1 underwriter for the ongoing Israeli slaughter of Lebanese, the United States, likewise becomes a legitimate military target."

A central problem here is US media's lack of honest independent reporting on the Middle East; they've become willing participants in vast. orchestrated public perception manipulation programs. On the ground video from Lebanon? Forget about it. Interviews with people on the street in Mideast countries? Not a chance. The results of this sanitized embedded propaganda are very disturbing.

I just saw a group of young girls running down the street here in the US - must have been 10-14 years old, wearing heavy makeup, laughing and waving Israeli flags, happy as could be... and I thought, they must not have seen any pictures of the dead bodies in Lebanon - they've been shielded from reality to a shocking extent. I think that was the most disturbing thing I've seen with my own eyes for quite some time - echos of "Lord of the Flies" and the Khmer Rouge "Killing Fields", the Sierra Leone child soldiers, and so on. Brainwashing children to accept war and terrorism? I wonder where this insanity will end.

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