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The Purported Pain of the Unborn

By Lynn M. Paltrow, Women's Media Center. Posted August 8, 2006.


Why the anti-choice movement's latest bill, the 'Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act,' is incomplete.

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Lurking in the anti-choice arsenal is a fascinating piece of legislation called the Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act. Like its predecessors--the Unborn Victims of Violence Act and the Partial Birth Abortion Ban--it does not, on its face pose a direct challenge to the right to choose abortion. Yet, the anti-choice movement deserves credit for creatively proposing bills that put the pro-choice movement on the defensive. With titles that use such terms as "victims" and "awareness," and framed in the context of the need to inform the pregnant women, they are hard to oppose without seeming incredibly stupid or grossly insensitive.

This new bill informs us that at 20 weeks after fertilization an unborn child has the capacity to experience pain and that the abortion methods most commonly used in the second trimester of pregnancy "cause substantial pain to an 'unborn child.'" The bill therefore mandates that women must be informed of this before they can have such abortions (1.5% of all abortions occur after 20 weeks).

Now, the science the bill's authors rely on may be a wee tad speculative--they refer to unspecified experts and evidence--but the truth is that women who need such abortions aren't having them to cause fetuses pain. In fact, if there is even a possibility that this science is correct, these women will want to do anything they can to ensure that the procedure causes as little pain as possible. The premise may lack all scientific or medical justification, but it is hard to imagine any constituency that is going to be for causing pain to a fetus.

The bill has other rather bizarre features that I suppose I should mention. It defines a woman as "a female human being who is capable of becoming pregnant"--something that will come as a surprise to post-menopausal and infertile female Americans thus rendered somehow less than real women.

The statute also informs us that the "unborn child may experience substantial pain even if the woman herself has received local analgesic or general anesthesia." The idea that powerful anesthetics administered in labor might not also reach the fetus will astonish pregnant women who have been told for years that everything from cocaine to caffeine to a single glass of wine go immediately, directly and dangerously to the fetus. And--in a departure from medical ethics and principles of informed consent--the bill requires the health care provider first to inform the woman of the pain the fetus experiences; as an afterthought it says that doctors "may" (are permitted to, but not required to) inform the woman of additional medical risks to her as a result of anesthetic administered directly to and solely for the benefit of the fetus.

It must be admitted that--in addition to violating ethical principles of informed consent and lacking scientific foundation--the bill is disappointingly incomplete. It states that "there is a valid Federal Government interest in reducing the number of events in which great pain is inflicted on sentient creatures," yet covers only "unborn children." It leaves unprotected millions of born Americans who suffer chronic pain--including those blocked by draconian drug laws from obtaining medication to alleviate unrelenting suffering.

Putting aside the rather narrow definition of "sentient creatures"--and such shock-jock language used to describe abortions procedures as "dismemberment," "poisoning" and "sucks [out] the child's brain"--I will nevertheless consider supporting the bill with one caveat. It must be full and fair. Why limit its protections to only "unborn children" of women seeking abortions? Imagine the pain a fetus experiences with a forceps delivery, suffering extensive bruising during and after! And what about the pain experienced with internal monitoring in which a sharp metal wire is forced through fetal skin into their delicate scalps?

Or the extraordinary pain the fetus suffers when labor is induced and the fetus is subjected to repeated, violent maternal uterine contraction and then forced through the unimaginably narrow vaginal canal? Shouldn't these fetuses also be entitled to their own painkillers? Shouldn't the pregnant woman be fully informed of the indescribable pain she could be causing her soon to be, but yet unborn child by bearing it?

That is my modest proposal. We need a Full Unborn Child Awareness Act, one that includes all of the ways pregnant women and health care providers and birth may inflict pain on the fetus. Those who oppose the necessary amendments will be supporting what can only be understood as the Unborn Child Partial Pain Awareness Act. In good conscience, how could anyone support that?

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Lynn M. Paltrow is executive director of National Advocates for Pregnant Women.

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Selfish neighbors
Posted by: LMNOP on Aug 8, 2006 2:34 AM   
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Obviously, alleged fetal pain has nothing to do with the motivation behind this legislation, so why even discuss it. This is about one group of people who haven't learned to share a world with others, people who are trying to compel the rest of them to gestate unwanted babies to birth and then raise them.

They do this because they believe in a nosy and vengeful uber-ghost known as "God" or "Jesus" to them, who allegedly watches everything that we do and will punish them for not using their police, courts and prisons to stop nonbelievers from following their own consciences.

Pretty friggin' selfish and self-centered these people are, not to mention dishonest for not admitting that this is what they really want.

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» RE: Selfish neighbors Posted by: Christisntaconspiracytheory
RE: Comparing effects of abortion to effects of a birth? Are you kidding me?
Posted by: underledge on Aug 8, 2006 3:38 AM   
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What did it feel like when it happened to you?

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"Pain?"
Posted by: Shehova on Aug 8, 2006 4:18 AM   
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The way I learnt it, nerve ending are not complete until a few weeks after birth, so at 20 weeks or less before birth, the pain argument fails.

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» RE: "Pain?" Posted by: alternetleslie
» RE: "Pain?" Posted by: Shehova
» RE: "Back peddaling?" Posted by: Christisntaconspiracytheory
» RE: "Pain?" Posted by: Ian MacLeod
» RE: "Pain?" Posted by: stoneinthestream
» RE: "Pain?" Posted by: Ian MacLeod
then circumcision must be killer pain
Posted by: okcamp on Aug 8, 2006 4:53 AM   
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why are not new parents cautioned that the male infant will feel pain when circumcised?

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» RE: then circumcision must be killer pain Posted by: Chickensh*tEagle
misgyny 101
Posted by: xenacat on Aug 8, 2006 7:47 AM   
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It has been painfully obvious for years that the anti-abortion fanatics out there are devotedly anti-female. As a matter of fact, there is no greater place to find misgyny enshrined than with these folks. Our mistake as progressives was to treat these destructive beliefs about women as only vessals for gestation as legitimate views that deserved respect. They don't, whining about the unborn notwithstanding. It is also a common observation that once a child is born, the people that care so much about "life" really don't give a good God damn. Hell, they'll even bomb clinics and shoot medical people because they love life so freakin' much. Insane. Our hard line should have been "don't believe in it, don't have one, so sit down and shut up about it." By even engaging them in debate, we lost. The truth of the matter is, women will continue to have abortions. Women will continue to see themselves as having value outside of childbearing no matter how much the religious right tries to convince us otherwise. Why are we still indulging pathetic anti-abortionists by not simply telling them to go straight to hell?

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» RE: misgyny 101 Posted by: alternetleslie
» RE: misogyny 101 Posted by: LMNOP
» RE: misogyny 101 Posted by: kit79
» RE: misogyny 101 Posted by: LMNOP
Responsibility
Posted by: alternetleslie on Aug 8, 2006 8:16 AM   
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Why don't we just make them sign a contract to take care of the mother and the fetus during gestation and adopt the baby (any divorce consequences for married women) as soon as they open their mouths or appear with a sign protesting abortion!!! That would get rid of hypocrites. They would soon realize they would not really want that baby either and by not taking responsibilty for that child's life are pro-active in that abortion of life.

Jews give the infant wine to relieve some of the pain of circumcison during the religious ceremony to fulfill this commandment of Abraham's God. Do sectarian, scientific doctors in hospitals easy the baby boys pain?

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» RE: esponsibility Posted by: canadalauren
» RE: esponsibility Posted by: pomes
» RE: esponsibility Posted by: jwg
» RE: esponsibility Posted by: pomes
sentient creatures
Posted by: bjerko on Aug 8, 2006 9:27 AM   
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It states that "there is a valid Federal Government interest in reducing the number of events in which great pain is inflicted on sentient creatures."

What?

That statement is a lie. What about non-human sentient creatures on Earth? Billions die violent deaths each year just so we can eat them. Visit a slaughterhouse in action and you will see what I mean. Hamburger, anyone?

Back to the abortion issue: that bill needs fixing, or a recycle bin.

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» RE: sentient creatures Posted by: Shehova
» RE: sentient creatures Posted by: pomes
RE: Comparing effects of abortion to effects of a birth? Are you kidding me?
Posted by: lamar on Aug 8, 2006 10:26 AM   
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You are fooled by livid language into thinking there is a distinction. Since you could not possibly have any clue what you are talking about, the only logical explanation is that, to you, being "scrambled alive" has a powerful effect, and the effect is enough for you to infringe on the lives of strangers. Posts like yours should have an idiot warning.

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You're missing the point
Posted by: lawstudent08 on Aug 8, 2006 10:34 AM   
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The author is saying that if the pain to a fetus during abortions is such a priority to politicians as to create legislation addressing that, then other actions a woman may choose to do that can cause pain to the fetus must be included. Can't pick and choose when to mandate doctors to tell women about possible pain the fetus will experience if the legislators' goal is to make women aware of fetal pain.

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Our valid federal interests
Posted by: lamar on Aug 8, 2006 10:37 AM   
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"...there is a valid Federal Government interest in reducing the number of events in which great pain is inflicted on sentient creatures."
In honor of this valid Federal interest, we will go to war in Iraq. In defense of life, "we will export death and violence to the four corners of the earth," and in erring on the side of life, we will encourage Israel to finish the job to establish a political basis for cease fire. Let's also do nothing about Darfur in the interest of life.

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unborn baby's pain is established
Posted by: sertelt on Aug 8, 2006 11:46 AM   
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This article fails to note the enormous evidence and studies showing
that babies feel pain before birth.

In April, a British study found premature babies experience pain and
don't merely exhibit reflexive actions in response to painful events.

The study, published in the Journal of Neuroscience by a team from
University College London, analyzed brain scans taken on premature
babies when blood was being drawn from them.

The results found that babies as young as 24 weeks after pregnancy
can feel pain and the researchers hope the study will prompt new pain
treatment methods.

Last November, Congress held hearings on the pain babies feel during
an abortion.

Neurologist Dr. Paul Ranalli of the University of Toronto says the
20-30 week child in the womb may even feel more pain than an adult.
He adds that the "pain impulse connections in the spinal cord link up
and reach the thalamus (the brain's reception center): at 7-20 weeks."

Dr. Kanwaljeet Anand of the University of Arkansas Medical Center
says he and other specialists in development of unborn children have
shown that babies feel pain before birth as early as 20 weeks into
the pregnancy.

Anand has said other medical studies conclude that unborn babies are
"very likely" to be "extremely sensitive to pain during the gestation
of 20 to 30 weeks."

Meanwhile, an April 2004 Zogby poll shows that 77% of Americans back
"laws requiring that women who are 20 weeks or more along in their
pregnancy be given information about fetal pain before having an
abortion."

Only 16 percent disagreed with such a proposal, according to the poll.

The fact of the matter is that abortion is painful for the baby and
causes medical and emotional problems for women. Abortion isn't safe
for anyone.

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» You are mistaken Posted by: doctorsquared
» It is fairly well established ... Posted by: Joshua Holland
Gotta have more babies
Posted by: rickcreswell@yahoo.com on Aug 8, 2006 1:56 PM   
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to grow up to be cannon fodder, cheap labor, and church growth statistics.

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The more unwanted pregnancies, the more
Posted by: maxpayne on Aug 8, 2006 4:13 PM   
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people can be forced into near-slavery labor and almost-drafted soldiers. THINK PEOPLE THINK !!! The neocons and the neolibs have been getting their fucking war and "free" trade gifts for ages but even more so since 9/11 !!! Of course Bush is a neocon and a neolib in one !!! In addition to the war in Iraq and others likely pending, how can you explain how all those "free" trade, bankruptcy, more insecurity laws are going to work? The answer: more unwanted and ignorant people to allow slavery and racism to give the elitists their bottomline at the expense of wrecking the planet !!!

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fetal Pain
Posted by: badmonkey on Aug 8, 2006 4:41 PM   
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War causes pain and loss of life too - but the religious extremists don't seem very concerned about that.

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Should be part of better education early in life
Posted by: aouie01 on Aug 8, 2006 5:00 PM   
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I personally think that before procreation capabilities are attained, people ought to get a good overview of the population situation (I think it is overpopulation), reproductive information, unbiased (or fairly thorough) information on human fetuses (including estimated amount of pain to fetuses and their carriers in case of abortion, drug poisoning, miscarriage, etc.), possible financial / emotional issues with reference to having children, etc. The information should be given to people periodically (unless the social norm becomes being aware of these things and discussing them when and where necessary). I personally would require similar education (or other awareness raising activities) to be required for people about the lives of non human animals including an unbiased (or fairly thorough) overview of their feelings, desires, lifestyles, sentience, etc.
Sincerely,
Aouie

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» A damn good start Posted by: HeroesAll
Purported pain of the unborn vs. the known pain of the born
Posted by: cthelyt on Aug 8, 2006 5:39 PM   
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That argument alone should suffice to give women the right to choose. What kind of life will unwanted children have, or doesn't emotional pain count?

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I would still have had my abortion
Posted by: sln70 on Aug 8, 2006 5:45 PM   
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even if they told me "the fetus will feel pain."

I NEEDED my abortion.

I'm sure I'm not alone. And I'm not ashamed.
I never will be.

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Why would women care about their baby's pain when they don't care about their baby's life?
Posted by: MTreich on Aug 8, 2006 7:40 PM   
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This just doesn't make sense. Why are these right wingers trying to appeal to a women's compassion? They hope maybe that they will care about their baby's pain when they don't care about their baby's life? *LOL*

"Oh, I was going to scramble my living baby's brains and suck up the scramble with a vacuum but then the doctor told me it would be painful for my baby, so I decided not to. Because I care." - This line of thought will NEVER occur! *LOL* again.

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» good point, in a way. Posted by: sln70
» RE: good point, in a way. Posted by: yellow
Anti-abortion Fanatics
Posted by: yellow on Aug 8, 2006 10:06 PM   
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Creative new angles at limiting, qualifying, and ultimately, abolishing the right to a perfectly safe and legal abortion will be a growth industry in the age of creeping clerico-fascism as long as they think there is a ghost of a chance success. This means that women's groups will have to fight that much harder. The hypocracy of these groups is enormous. I don't ever remember these reactionaries caring about the pain the millions of uninsured feel living with illnesses and injuries they can't afford to treat. The pain of the thousands of injured war vets in hospitals doesn't blunt in the slightest their support of war. They are hypocritical and stupid! Their true goal is sexist control of Womens' lives and the forcing of their rigid religious beliefs upon an unwilling society.

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So complicated...
Posted by: adeptlyabrasive on Aug 9, 2006 9:01 PM   
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What about the fetuses aborted BEFORE the determined point in pregnancy where they'll feel pain? I've always been pretty horrified by the idea of late term abortions, but I find the idea of someone telling me I can't have a simple growth of cells removed from my own body equally as repuslive. Don't we ususally call those tumors or parasites?

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» RE: So complicated... Posted by: yellow
» RE: So complicated... Posted by: adeptlyabrasive
I've touched on this issue ...
Posted by: Joshua Holland on Aug 9, 2006 11:58 PM   
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... here.

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Humans have their own logic
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Aug 10, 2006 11:37 AM   
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and it isn't always 1+1=2. One of the most cogent statements I've seen on this is: "All life is sacred - until it grows up and disagrees with you." The "fundamentalists" are great about screaming "Save the BAY Beez!", and killing the doctors, even beating the women at clinics to a pulp. That's an emotional logic, and it has to be peculiar to the individuals. These same people call dismembered children "collateral damage", say "oops" and move on. For that matter, why is a dismembered child so much worse than a dismembered innocent woman or just an adult? Emotional logic.

Anything with a complete, functioning nervous system feels pain. Fetuses have been seen to react to ultrasound; to make a newborn cry, tapping the bottom of the foot is sufficient. Yet, I've heard doctors say of term infants (regarding circumcision), "They don't really feel pain." Interpretation of what the senses report is something else entirely. When I was a kid it was believed that babies couldn't see yet. Wrong. They simply can't interpret what they see.

Bottom line: people tune out inconvenient facts depending on what they want, what they don't want, what they believe, what they fear. Where the Church (any church really) is concerned, control of people equals power, so the more people they control, the more power they have. "Christianity" might as easily have been called "Paulism", too. Paul WAS a misogynist. Women are (usually) physically weaker, so they can be more easily controlled in a culture where violence is the norm.

Where abortions are concerned, most would be done long before the embryo is more than a potential human, just a collection of cells with no functioning nervous system, but legal delays caused by so-called "pro-Lifers" delays the procedure until questions of pain and humanity DO arise. And "pro-Life" angst that insists life in poverty is better than no life at all a)won't adopt one of the "discard" embryos, especially if it would make THEM poor - that's already been shown. b) They're the first to yell for the death penalty or a long imprisonment when one of these poor, unwanted kids does something they don't like.

Mostly it all comes down to the few controllers, the ones who want/need POWER. They are good at making emotional appeals to ingorant people or those who just don't think who are kept so deliberately. Remember, power is how many people you can control. Note the destruction of the educational system by Bush et al. Ignorance is more easily controlled. With women, they have the tradition of not only Paulist religion but even older tradition that goes clear back to the jungle.

Again, human logic is mostly emotional. "Pro-lifers" are almost always pro war, pro death penalty, pro punitive versus treatment legislation. Most people do NOT naturally tend towards fairness - they tend towards self-interest and conditioning, into separation between an "us" and a "them".

Ladies, if you're serious about gaining back and retaining your rights to control of your own bodies and lives, you'd better get out there and start fighting again. All of us who believe in the human right of personal choice had better get to it. Water always takes the path of least resistance, and people are mostly water, as they prove time and again. It's easier to fall back to "the way things have 'always' been done." The radical Religious Right has tradition, human cowardice, laziness and greed all on it's side, and they're perfectly willing to lie, cheat, steal and kill as needed.

All the rest of us have is personal courage, but if we set aside minor differences - distractions the radical right can and will use - and work together, it will be enough, as it was before. It's hang together or hang separately time again, folks.

Ian

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