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The War for Israel's Survival
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But the war for survival is not really the struggle between the state of Israel, which possesses nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, hundreds of jet fighters and attack helicopters, and thousands of tanks and artillery pieces, on the one hand, and the 2,500 Hezbollah guerrillas, who possess some 10,000 rockets, on the other hand. The war for survival is not between a small and extremist organization that emerged as a result of the disastrous decision of Begin and Sharon to create a "new order" in Lebanon in 1982 and the state of Israel. The confrontation in Lebanon is a limited military engagement whose main victims are the civilian populations on both sides (Watch Rabbi Michael Lerner make a similar argument on Fox News in the video, right).
Israel's struggle for survival, the war for the Jewish homeland, and the continued struggle for national independence and self-determination is a war for the heart and soul of the Jewish state. It is a war without fire and -- so far -- without fatalities. It is waged within Israel's borders and within Jewish communities around the globe. This war will have more far-reaching implications than the military confrontation between Israel and the Hezbollah. It is a war about values, about moral standards, about courage to speak the truth even when it hurts and even when it is unpopular, and even when the guns are still releasing their deadly yield. It is a war about the future of Israel as a moral state that fights not whenever it gets the chance, but when it is absolutely necessary, and when it resorts to war, it fights against those who directly endanger it, not against civilians who are used as hostages and pawns in the military campaign.
The war for Israel's soul is a war between the few and the many. The few -- on the one side of the battlefield -- are those who dared call the war what it really is: a war of folly, of utter arrogance and stupidity. On the other side of this battlefield are deployed those who initiated the war, those who manage it and those who provide the warmongers with ideological justification for any folly and atrocity. This is a war in which the few try to demolish the holy consensus made up of people who dig out excuses for an all-out confrontation with the Hezbollah, those who advocate expansion of the war to include Syria (and perhaps Iran), and those who oppose its early termination.
The confrontation in Lebanon is a war in which political folly and blindness, military incompetence, and lack of morality and justice go hand in hand. It is a war in which Israel, the Hezbollah and the United States compete against each other on who excels in shooting itself in the foot.
The key question about this senseless struggle is how much more blood will be spilled before we return to the starting point. I believe that when we examine this absurd struggle from a historical perspective, we will realize that its military and political outcomes made little or no difference in the region. We will view this struggle as yet another chapter in the tragedies that are so abundant in the Middle East, most of which could have been averted through some creative diplomacy, political vision and foresight.
The war of values is much more crucial for Israel's image and self-respect than is the military confrontation in Lebanon. If it is decided in favor of the many who blindly rally around the flag that is carried by short-sighted people who turn policy and diplomacy into the slave of brutal militarism, then the physical destruction and the loss of human life caused to Israel by Hezbollah attacks will pale in comparison to the damage to Israel's soul.
But crises create opportunities alongside the risks and dangers that are an inherent feature of such episodes. In Israel and in Jewish communities abroad, there are people who go to the streets to demonstrate against this war of folly. There is still a free press that prints criticism of the government's policy, of the military, and of those intellectuals who kowtow folly, incompetence and immorality. There is still hope that some sane people in the Israeli government may wake up from their summer hibernation and say, "This was a terrible mistake." There is still hope that someone out there will realize that today's policy of naked force breeds Israel's enemies of tomorrow (just as our policies have been responsible for the formation of Hezbollah and Hamas).
These challenges to the holy consensus become stronger every day, and they provide a ray of hope that, despite the hugely unfavorable balance of forces in this war of values, would slowly tilt to the side of the opponents of this terrible conflict. If we have the courage to admit our mistakes and learn from them, not in order to repeat them but to fix our behavior, we may focus on devising positive and creative diplomatic solutions to this conflict instead of brute military coercion. This would be a far greater victory of the state of Israel against such enemies as Iran, the Hezbollah, Hamas and other extremists in the Arab world than anything the IDF can accomplish.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Aug 4, 2006 12:46 AM
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From reading this statement, however, I would be led to the conclusion that it is because Israel was doing nothing diplomatically with Lebanon. That is conceivable, but I find it hard to believe. I hope those who have followed the situation more closely can either provide confirmation of the contention in this piece or evidence to the contrary.
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Posted by: mokidugway on Aug 4, 2006 2:07 AM
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I read your article twice. I had to read it twice, because you use such vague and equivocating language that your point is not always clear. So allow me to summarize. You feel that the real war is the battle for Israel's moral soul, not the disproportionate battle between Israel and Lebanon.
Hogwash.
First of all, moral considerations are irrelevant. Israel simply needs to figure out how it can live with its neighbors. This is a strategic question, not a moral one. Bombing them into submission is probably not the best strategy, but it is a far better strategy than speaking in vague generalities about morality, since that kind of talk is cheap and meaningless and never motivates state action (though it is often cited as a pretext).
Second, this is not just a matter for Jews and Israelis to ponder. The whole region is affected, not to mention the United States. The state of Israel cannot--dare I say, in good conscience?--accept billions of dollars in military aid, then talk as though the whole thing is just an ethical connundrum that the few righteous Jews need to straighten out with their warmongering peers.
Wake up, will you? Try to think about someone who isn't Jewish or Israeli. Try to look things squarely in the face. People are DYING in Lebanon. Hundreds of thousands are refugees. The country's infrastructure lies in ruins. This is awful--for the Lebanese. For the Lebanese and the Palestinians THINGS ARE BLOODY FUCKING AWFUL.
And all you can talk about is the future of Israel's moral soul? I know you mean well, but it's actually kind of sad how insular your thinking is.
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» All Israel wants is peace, all Hamas and Hezbollah want is to destroy Israel.
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» RE: All Israel wants is peace, all Hamas and Hezbollah want is to destroy Israel.
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» Maybe should have said 'All Hamas and Hezbolah want is the destruction of Israel'
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» Peace with two groups that want you destroyed? Explain that one to me.
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» RE:What consequence of OCCUPATION don't you understand?
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» RE: What consequence of OCCUPATION don't you understand?
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» RE: What consequence of OCCUPATION don't you understand?
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» Hamas and Hezbollah have official policies of Israel's total destruction. What don't you understand
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» Lose the propaganda line, then we'll talk
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» Hey look snorom. Josh can't come up with a response.
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» RE: All Israel wants is peace, all Hamas and Hezbollah want is to destroy Israel.
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» RE:Bullshit
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» RE: All Israel wants is peace, all Hamas and Hezbollah want is to destroy Israel.
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» I am moving into your master bedroom
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» All Israel wants is Lebanese land and water, actually
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» RE: All Israel wants is Lebanese land and water, actually
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» RE: All Israel wants is peace, all Hamas and Hezbollah want is to destroy Israel.
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» The UN sanctioned Israel
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» RE: All Israel wants is peace, all Hamas and Hezbollah want is to destroy Israel.
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» What, specifically should Israel do?
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» Give them more land? Because withdrawing from Lebanon and Gaza worked out so great right?
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» RE: All Israel wants is PIECE! Piece of everything...........
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» All Israel wants is piece, all of Hamas' and Hezbollah's land.
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» RE: to the author
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» A view from Airstrip One
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» Nationalism and Zionism
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» Actually, not quite true
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» Semites, etc.
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Posted by: marklar on Aug 4, 2006 4:23 AM
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Well, at least my American Jewish friends aren't struggling so much with their concsience as Zeev Moaz is. In fact, I find it hard to call them friends as I am completley disgusted by their support for Israel apartheid and warmongering agression. The world is turning agianst Israel and their Israels paranoia will come to mean something soon.
Remember everyone, silence in the face of genocide and tyranny only means that you support what is happening, and one day, when they come for you, there will be no one to speak up in your defense, and you will have no reason to complain.
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» It is very good article.
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» RE: It is very good article.
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» RE: What a bunch of crap this article is.
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Posted by: rsaxto on Aug 4, 2006 4:23 AM
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Posted by: chuckville on Aug 4, 2006 5:16 AM
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What Munich totally failed to do was give even one word to the side of the Palestinians and their struggle, which was what caused Munich in the first place. Instead, the Arabs were portrayed as violent, sub-human animals, and the poor Israelis as hand-wringing, soulsick patriots.
HUMBUG!
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» RE: Once again, the MUNICH syndrome
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» more to ponder
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» RE: Once again, the MUNICH syndrome
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» How about the ending scene of Schindler's List?
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Posted by: jamoze on Aug 4, 2006 5:27 AM
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» RE: WHAT TOTAL BULLSHIT!!!
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» RE: I stand with Chuckville.
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» RE: WHAT TOTAL BULLSHIT!!!
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» RE: WHAT TOTAL BULLSHIT!!!
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» peace was achieved
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Posted by: wawa on Aug 4, 2006 5:30 AM
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1. Infancy: the soul is egotistical and selfish
2. Childhood: these souls adhere to the teachings of others, they do good works, may even desire to love and please God, but often maybe rigid fundamentally minded thinkers and judgemental of others who disagree with their concept of God.
3. Adolescents: include but are not limited to Cynics, Atheists, Agnostics, social justice reformers and activists who follow the voice within themselves and take ACTION for the good of others.
4. Adulthood: The Way of the Mystic, who is one who LOVES God and knows God is within ALL others. Mystics see and understand the connection, interdependence of ALL to the One.
The WAWA blog has been reporting on the rapidly growing number 3 souls who are Israeli secular peace activists.
Many Israelis have been standing up and speaking out for decades against the occupation and oppression of the Israeli government.
2,000 years ago the zealots stood up to the empire/occupiers: Rome, in defense for the oppressed and voiceless, and were routinely crucified for disturbing the status quo.
Every Friday afternoon in west Jerusalem for the last 18 years, mostly secular, but also some devout Jewish "Women in Black" gather in public protest against the Israeli Occupation of Palestine.
Anarchists Against the Wall are young mostly secular Jews who STAND UP in solidarity with Palestinian land owners and Internationals against the building of the ILLEGAL separation wall where ever it does not follow the Green Line. They take bullets, gassings, billy club beatings and prison time, for doing so, but they do NOT back down.
It has been said fundamentalism is holding up evolution but the good news is many number 3 souls have WOKEN UP and are leading the way out of the dark and demented cycle of violence.
The globally accepted definition of insanity is to persist in the same behavior believeing you will get a different result.
Violence can ONLY begat more violence: when will America WAKE UP?
Only in solidarity can we hope to confront the injustices of the empire:
"We have it in out power to begin the world again" [Tom Paine]
ALL things are possible for those who LOVE, and without love you have nothing at all to give.
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» RE: Stages of the soul
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Posted by: otto on Aug 4, 2006 5:46 AM
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» Canadian captialist racists shut up and go away: Vive Quebec Libre!
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» Canada is a better example of Corporate Imperialism than the US.
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Posted by: Julian on Aug 4, 2006 5:48 AM
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» RE: An obscene concept
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» RE: An obscene concept yet Hezbollah has a right to defend Lebanon
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» RE: An obscene concept
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Posted by: marxalot on Aug 4, 2006 6:11 AM
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I don't see much soul searching. They clearly want to see Hezbollah destroyed and the collateral damage - sorry, too bad.
But when you resort to passing around this 2003 rant by Bush administration comedian Dennis Miller to bolster you position, I believe it may be time for some introspection.
In his trademark manner, Miller creates the impression that only a complete idiot could take anything but a total pro-Israel position on the affairs of the Middle East. My Jewish friends, you make me wonder when you find consolation in this kind of agitprop.
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Posted by: catnapping on Aug 4, 2006 6:36 AM
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Ever since I was a little girl, I bought into the propaganda, that Israel was "only defending herself...she had that right."
Sorry. I no longer support Israel. She lost that right. She probably never had that right. she certainly lost it the first time she deliberately killed civilians.
I was just too blind to see.
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» RE: Israel no longer deserves to survive.
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» RE: Israel no longer deserves to survive.
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» RE: Israel no longer deserves to survive to commit more WAR CRIMES.
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» RE: Israel no longer deserves to survive.
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» RE: Israel no longer deserves to survive.
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» Your logic: Neither do any of the Arab states or organizations that killed Israeli civilians
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» and america?
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Posted by: daw13 on Aug 4, 2006 6:53 AM
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My point is simply that focusing on what may or may not be the intentions of pawns on the grand chessboard of the Middle East, without focusing on the movers of the pawns, consitutes what C Wright Mills called "crackpot reasoning" Those who stand to gain from what happens in Lebanon are the United States, Iran, and the Islamic Fundamentalist Movement. If Hezbollah is destroyed, which seems inevitable, Iran and the IFM draw closer. Syria will probably join the coalition. The ability of Iran to negotiate for a stronger role in the IFM will have been enhanced. Sympathy for Iran and the IFM will be enhanced throughout Europe and Asia.
The United States will achieve something it's wanted for a long time. Gaining a commitment from the Christian Lebanese to accept a U.S. military presence in Lebanon. In addition, the growth of pan-Arabic nationalism will once again have been seriously disrupted. The Neo-con world of Samuel Huntington's Clash of Civilizations will have been reinforced, strengthening the Neo-con position on the global stage. Only in a world of perpetual conflict do they remain a powerful force.
Israel loses. Whatever happens in Lebanon in the short run, Israel faces enemies no longer localized in a fashion that allows attacking their bases to diminish their attacks. Israelis have long been aware of their long-term desperate situation. The important debate within Israel hfor yearshas been, Which is more risky: Absorbing Palestinians, who will certainly constitute a fifth column to some degree? or alienating the CIA who have made it clear that such an choice would be unacceptable? The decision in Israel, of course, was the wrong one. But it had little to do with issues of morality, religion, or even nationalism.
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Posted by: jreinhart1 on Aug 4, 2006 7:04 AM
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Structure%20of%20the%20World%20Zionist%20Organization.htm
They rose to power in the last stages of WW I when British PM Balfour, a Christian Zionist himself, could not get the help of Russian Jews and turned to the World Zionist Organization in 1918. From this, the creation of a monster was born in the Irgun and Sturn terror organizations that used terrorism to drive out the British and Palistinians from Palistine (to this day, the zionist people celebrate the bombing of the King David Hotel which killed 92 innocent people on 7/22/46 which the Irgun zionist terrorist organization, dressed as Arabs, exploded a bomb at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem) see http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/
0,,173-2277717,00.html .
Israel was created by terrorists and is run by terrorists. A zionist terror timeline created by Ralphe Bunche, the UN commissioner for Palestine for the period from 1944-48 can be viewed at http://www.doublestandards.org/text/unbunche.html
The Lavon affair in 1954, Israeli agents working in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including a United States diplomatic facility, and left evidence behind implicating Arabs as the culprits. The ruse would have worked, had not one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to capture and identify one of the bombers, which in turn led to the round up of an Israeli spy ring.
The attack on the USS Liberty in which Zionists killed 34 Americans while trying to sink the ship.
The Death of Peace Activist Rachel Corrie where on 3/17/03 Israelis run over her with a bulldozer. According to Greg Schnabel of Chicago who was with her, "Rachel was alone in front of the house as we were trying to get them to stop. She waved for bulldozer to stop and waved. She fell down and the bulldozer kept going. We yelled 'stop, stop', and the bulldozer didn't stop at all. It had completely run over her and then it reversed and ran back over her."
AIPAC has been a connection for Israel spies for a long time and has given military secrets to enemies of the US for decades. The current AIPAC investigation is just another in a long line of Israeli espionage against the United States.
Today's attitude of Zionism can be seen in many publications such as the Jerusalem Post:
"Yesha rabbis call for 'extermination of the enemy'
By JPOST.COM STAFF
The Yesha Rabbinical Council blamed the attack on the north on Wednesday morning on a "weakening of our grip on the land of Israel."
The rabbis saw the attack as a "direct continuation of relinquishing [territory] and weakness."
The Council called on the IDF to ignore Christian morals and "exterminate the enemy in the north and the south." They advised that an emergency government be established to "fight the true enemy as is appropriate, and to rescind orders to destroy and evict Jews."
The OCCUPIED territories have been against international law but the Zionists have claimed the land and precious water for themselves, leaving little of the territory for Palistinians to live in and little water too. However, we know that Zionists such as Dershowitz consider the non-Jewish life to be worth less than g-d's choosen. Gentiles are nothing more than usefull idiots to be used for a purpose in regaining the territory of Greater Israel as stated in Genesis 15:18-21.
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» RE: Zionism is a concept, not a valid part of the Jewish faith.
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» So you want to be a cave man
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Aug 4, 2006 7:04 AM
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I think the major goal of the upper tier of Israel - their own military-industrial complex - simply want to seize the lower section of Lebanon for it's water. And what I see is an ethnic cleansing program in the South of Lebanon, and I just hope that the Lebanese get their land back. What Israel is doing has shifted the balance of opinion very far against that country - and the people who support them, regardless of religion, are either ignorant or bloodthristy - drive out the Arabs and take their land?
You won't hear this discussed in the US media, but see todays ATO - http://www.atimes.com/
On top of all this we have this ridiculous PR war that is being carried out in the media full tilt - and not only are the neocons in the White House salivating over a chance to start a war in Syria, not only are the oil majors pulling in more profits then ever before, but the other benefit is the removal of the domestic spying issue from the media - now, if it had been Monica, you know it still would be on the front page every day. Read the language in this article - it's calm, reasonable and says nothing at all about the death and destruction- that PR for you.
The US corporate media are betraying the American people - they are they real anti-Americans, along with the corrupt creeps in the Administration. This war could have been shut down weeks ago with one word from the Bush Admin - but he just loves to see the blood flow - that's right world, we've got a mad American dictator-tool running things, and he seems desperate to turn the MidEast into a total war zone. Sorry.
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» My question was whether Israel refused diplomacy with Lebanon. So far I've heard no evidence
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» search the information yourself on-line
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» Criticism of the Israeli elite is definitely NOT anti-Semitism
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» a US/UK foot-in-Iran's-backdoor
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» Thank you for your comments. I find as much misinformation as information online. I'm getting scared
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Posted by: rwa on Aug 4, 2006 9:00 AM
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By Kaveh L Afrasiabi
Officially, Israel's ground invasion of Lebanon is an act of self-defense against Hezbollah's threat, aimed at creating a security buffer zone until the arrival of a "multinational force with an enforcement capability". But increasingly, as the initial goal of a narrow strip of only a few kilometers has now been extended up to the Litani River deep in Lebanon, the real motives behind Israel's invasion are becoming crystal-clear.
It's about (de facto) annexation, stupid. This is a war to annex a major chunk of Lebanese territory without necessarily saying so, under the pretext of security buffer and deterrence against future attacks on Israel.
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» RE: It's about annexation
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» Robert Fisk, from Lebanon
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» Rubbish
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» The Independent Self Identifies as Pro-Israel
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Posted by: shyguy709 on Aug 4, 2006 9:01 AM
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I have come to realise that when anyone talks against Israel he is tagged as an antisemite...
it is so funny and sometimes disgusting to see the way the word anti-semitism is sabotaged
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» Analogies are a problem for you.
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» Send this genius to college on an Alternet Fellowship!
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Posted by: LegumeSam on Aug 4, 2006 12:26 PM
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I support his efforts.
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Posted by: sofla100 on Aug 4, 2006 2:18 PM
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What does this tell you anyhow?
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Posted by: Hal on Aug 4, 2006 2:44 PM
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At the top, this has zip to do with “heart and soul” and everything to do with petrodollars exploited thru religious psyop brainwash.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14233.htm
http://szamko.gnn.tv/blogs/17155/Pipeline_Time
One more time: significant wars are fought over public wealth (blood money) for private power. Wars that profit from religion as pretext for killing and land grabs are the most two-faced of all.
To put it bluntly, Israeli hijack and occupation of Arab lands is seen by many as a transparent ruse that amounts to retread colonialism masked by religion. This perception gets added traction from the fact well over 90% of all Jews worldwide and in Israel have little to no genetic connection to the Mid East and thus are not even “Semites” (European and Russian Jews are almost all descended from Kazaria where the population converted to Judaism over 1200 years ago as a way of uniting their country).
If you look at who really financed and foisted Zionism into the Mid East it was Gilded Age cartel robber barons such as Lionel Rothschild (see his forebear quotes) and others responsible for the Sikes-Picot land thefts. Some of this super-privileged class was “Jewish” but their only religion was and remains naked power at the lethal cost of fellow Jews and anyone else inconvenient to their plans.
The denial bubble is sweet for those that extort blood money from this serial travesty but it is a horror show for virtually everyone else.
“I DON’T CARE WHO THE GOVERNMENT IS. LET ME CONTROL THE MONEY AND I WILL CONTROL THE COUNTRY.”
MAYER AMSCHEL ROTHSCHILD (attributed to the German godfather of the Rothschild banking cartel and grandfather to his heir Lord Baron Nathaniel Mayer de Rothschild: the de facto owner of the Bank of England and a key promoter of the U.S. “Federal Reserve” Act. 1744-1812)
”I CARE NOT WHAT PUPPET IS PLACED ON THE THRONE OF ENGLAND TO RULE THE EMPIRE,…THE MAN THAT CONTROLS BRITAIN’S MONEY SUPPLY CONTROLS THE BRITISH EMPIRE. AND I CONTROL THE MONEY SUPPLY.”
LORD BARON NATHANIEL MAYER DE ROTHSCHILD (as English head of a world Rothschild banking cartel and a chief promoter of the U.S. “Federal Reserve” Act. 1840-1915)
“COMPETITION IS A SIN.”
JOHN D. ROCKEFELLER (cartel robber baron and promoter of the U.S. “Federal Reserve” Act in alliance with the Rothschild bloc. 1839-1937)
“WE WILL HAVE WORLD GOVERNMENT WHETHER OR NOT WE LIKE IT. THE ONLY QUESTION IS WHETHER WORLD GOVERNMENT WILL BE ACHIEVED BY CONQUEST OR CONSENT.”
JAMES PAUL WARBURG (in testimony before the US Senate. Warburg was an agent of the Rockefeller-Rothschild bloc and chief architect of the “Federal Reserve” Corporation, an unconstitutional private bank monopoly set up for cartel hegemony. James Paul Warburg was the son of Paul Moritz Warburg, nephew of Felix Warburg and of Jacob Schiff, both of the Rothschild front Kuhn, Loeb & Co that financed and setup Lenin and Trotsky’s “Bolshevik Communist Revolution” thru James' brother Max, banker to the German government. February 17, 1950.)
“BRITAIN IS THE SLAVE OF AN INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL BLOC.”
BRITISH PRIME MINISTER DAVID LLOYD GEORGE (on the money cartel June 20, 1934)
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How do we address the Palestinian issue? How do you pacify generations of anger wrought from a sense of having land "stolen" out from under them? How about being oppressed by a country which derives most of its military sophistication from the US? How can Palestinians govern themselves with a paternalistic antagonizer constantly looking over their shoulders?
On the other hand, what shall be done to assuage the valid concerns of Israelis? Does anyone here honestly believe that simply contracting the actual geophysical dimensions of the country or lands occupied theirin will cause Hezbollah, Iran and other Islamic extremists to simply recant and stop calling for the total destruction of the Israel state and its people? What do Muslim extremistst think - we're simply going to stand by while another 6 million Jews disappear? I have seen very light or non-existent criticism here of those who would call for the destruction of Israel. The whole "idea of Israel" may have been poorly designed and implemented but the state exists now and must be accepted. Otherwise what is to be done? Shall Jews be shuttled from Israel to Lower Manhattan to start over?
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All of them are wrong. The whole area needs secularization. At least over thirty five percent of Israelis are atheist. It's a good start. The whole area needs to be one big secularized state. Maybe even a democracy. In the end, it's the same old story. The haves oppress the have nots. And the USA because of its idiotic religiosities supports Israel. It would be interesting to see how things would change without that support...
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One of the reasons Israel is attacking Christian targets in Lebanon is to show its opposition to the tactical agreement between the FPM and Hezbollah. The attacks on Christian targets are a way to punish Israel's one-time allies. The FPM, as well as most other Lebanese political parties, are also acutely aware of Israeli and American involvement in a series of "false flag" assassinations of Lebanese politicians and journalists in order to stir up resentment against Syria. Israel and the United States can only rely on Geagea and Walid Jumblatt, the Lebanese Druze leader. One of the men arrested by Lebanese police for working with an Israeli assassination team involved in killing Lebanese politicians is a Lebanese Druze.
Aoun's MOU with Hezbollah is dangerous for Israel and the United States. Last November, Aoun was feted in Washington by neo-con members of the Bush administration and pro-Israel members of Congress for his leadership of the so-called "Cedar Revolution," the movement to chase Syria out of Lebanon after it was falsely accused of being behind the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. It was a tactical agreement between Hariri and Hezbollah, similar to that between Aoun and Hezbollah, that largely contributed to Jerusalem's and Washington's decision, and Saudi Arabia's acquiescence, to eliminate Hariri.
Aoun, as a one-time Israeli military ally, is well aware of Israel's tactics. Israeli military forces have discovered that entering Lebanon is not the cake walk it was during the Lebanese civil war. Aoun is also extremely knowledgeable about the pro-Israeli cells operating within the Bush administration and the neo-con think tanks and contrivances in Washington. These are the very same elements that supported the Cedar Revolution and include the American Enterprise Institute, where Michael Ledeen and Richard Perle nest; the neo-con supported US Committee for a Free Lebanon; Heritage Foundation; Foundation for the Defense of Democracies; Hudson Institute; Hoover Institution; Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP); and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA).
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By VIRGINIA TILLEY
Johannesburg, South Africa.
It is finally time. After years of internal arguments, confusion, and dithering, the time has come for a full-fledged international boycott of Israel. Good cause for a boycott has, of course, been in place for decades, as a raft of initiatives already attests. But Israel's war crimes are now so shocking, its extremism so clear, the suffering so great, the UN so helpless, and the international community's need to contain Israel's behavior so urgent and compelling, that the time for global action has matured. A coordinated movement of divestment, sanctions, and boycotts against Israel must convene to contain not only Israel's aggressive acts and crimes against humanitarian law but also, as in South Africa, its founding racist logics that inspired and still drive the entire Palestinian problem.
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» Excellent article by political scientist Virginia Tilley
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Posted by: ncg96773 on Aug 5, 2006 9:46 AM
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I was sexually abused as a child. I was small. Very small. The people who abused me were not. They were in charge of my life...I had to trust them, despite what they had done to me. I survived...yet remain broken.
That was way over 40 years ago. It happened in a country that had just committed the worst crimes against humanity in recorded history: Germany.
For over 40 years, I have tried to come to terms with what has happened to me. And today, I know, that I will carry the scars for the rest of my life.
Let's go back in time a bit further. It's the mid forties now. Millions of Jews have been exterminated. Their blood, their memories, the stories of their lives and families, their dreams and fears, are everywhere to be found, if you only listen and see. Their horror is so great that no abyss is deep enough to contain it. Nothing on this planet is made to contain such atrocity...nothing.
And still, life continues...goes on, as if nothing ever happened. The sun comes up, the seasons change, the rivers flow along their shores, as if blood had never been a part of them. And slowly the bullet holes in the facades of the building around me disappear. But the memories remain.
Today, we live in unjust times. The 'lie' shouts at us in big printed letters. Every day more violence. First here, then there...suddenly everywhere. It is memory time.
Sometimes, the trigger is subtle. I hardly notice it, at first. A certain kind of glance or touch...who knows what exactly sets it off. But there I go, tumble head first into the dark. The broken parts in me, the individual pieces that remember, carefully kept from each other to not overwhelm me by merging unexpectedly. The whole picture, the whole truth is such a frightening phenomena that parts within me belief that death would result instantly, if I would be made to see clearly. So, how do you heal from trauma? How do you grow up, unshattered, after having been combed with a blade, caressed with a baseball bat? How do you trust ever again, when you have watched the murder of your family and somehow, miraculously survived it?
To that, I have no answer. But I do understand the bottomless sense of powerlessness...the kind, that makes a brilliant mind create the atom bomb . And still, all the atomic weapons ignited simultaneously will not take away the rage I feel when pushed back into the place I was in when the trauma hit. And I know, that my rage exists to drown out the more vulnerable emotions of mine: my bottomless grief. Grief about the violations to my human birth rights. The right to dignity, love, trust, compassion, honesty and understanding. Utopia, I know.
What humans are capable of doing to each other is in direct proportion to what they have been exposed to. Dictators and mass murders are not born that way. They are bred and mutilated into it. And if enough members of a society have been disfigured in their humanity, a dictator can emerge as collective mirror, and will be carried by its members.
Rage is the result of repressed anger. If you never were allowed to express your justified anger about the violations to your human birth rights, the bomb becomes the icon, the way. And as the 'bomb' releases its rage, grief follows its murderous path, like dawn follows the night.
Why isn't it possible to see the relationship between the fragile human psyche, the rage of warfare and the necessity for humans to grief the losses they heap upon each other?
Projecting 'evil' into one another, across our borders or into our heavens is the fastest way to transform the entire planet into a holocaust. Let's not!
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..The postings of jreinhart1, catnaping, Hal...throughout
the Internet there are many of a like mind....citing the same
facts.... exposing the fraudulent racist genocidal scam that
the Israelis have managed to pull of since 1948.
Perhaps this is like that scene from the old Disney Fantasia..
The Sorcerer's Apprentice...first a trickle... a few drops..then
a deluge....
Several dozen farm workers...simple peasants...butchered
by some high tech bomb....these are the actions of war
criminals...
We Americans finance these swaggering arrogant psychos,
to the tune of Billions of our tax dollars....and American
'peasants' can't even get the Fucking minimum wage
raised from $5.15/hour.
Is there a minimum wage in Israel???
There is no difference between Israel 2006 and The Third
Reich circa 1936 or South Africa circa 1976....
and the inevitable outcome will be the same.
I am neither Arab nor Muslim...don't give too much of a
good goddamn about either group for that matter...But what
is being done in Lebanon and Gaza and so on .....
is an evil acceptable only to the truly 'untermensch'.
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I’m sure that’s right, if the simplified interpretation is correct.
Yet to refer to this moral neurosis and the need to harmonize it, in the middle of bloody war, is seriously confusing the two levels of moral thinking and physical acting. There are unacceptable physical acts of war happening in Lebanon. They must be stopped as such. Only then the morally faulty assumptions behind it may be addressed. To start with the morals, hoping a solution on the moral level will stop the physical killing, is turning the matter upside down in a manner that will not work.
On a parallell: a drunk who’s gotten into a fight over a paranoid reaction, attacking in perceived self-defence against a taunt misconceived as a serious attack, must first be stopped fighting and causing harm, before his misconception has any chance of being understood by him. This I know. Trying to stop the fight by informing the raging fighter that he misunderstood, is sheer folly. First things first.
This for ye all:
Blaséed (not to be pronounced 'blessed')
People are dying in beautiful colours
and well-composed pictures
on my tv
It's such a hot summer-day
It's such a hot channel
It's such a dilemma
to give it Ocar or Emmy
or what else
reaction should be...
Ole Ullern
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Kidnapped in Israel or Captured in Lebanon? Official justification for Israel's invasion on thin ice
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? context=viewArticle&code=FRA20060725&articleId=2813
- remover the space from the link.
If this is true, I hope the press does report this very salient fact. And if true, I swear to God I am going to start being an anti-Israeli. Further I think our governments should look into the role one religious group, with extremist tendencies has in mass media ownership.
I AM SIMPLY TIRED OF BEING LIED TO!
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In Muslim eyes, Israel is a colonial occupation of Arab land created by the former western colonial powers. Israel has to recognize the legitimacy of that grievance and deal with it directly.
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"In a state practicing apartheid, would Arab Muslim legislators wield veto power over anything? At only 20 percent of the population, would Arabs even be eligible for election if they squirmed under the thumb of apartheid? Would an apartheid state extend voting rights to women and the poor in local elections, which Israel did for the first time in the history of Palestinian Arabs? Would the vast majority of Arab Israeli citizens turn out to vote in national elections, as they've usually done? Would an apartheid state have several Arab political parties, as Israel does? Would the judiciary be free of political interference? In the 2003 Israeli elections, two Arab parties found themselves disqualified for expressly supporting terrorism against the Jewish state. Israel's supreme court overturned both diqualifications.
Would an apartheid state award its top literary prize to an Arab? Israel honored Emile Habibi in 1986, before any intifida might have made the choice politically shrewd. Would an apartheid state encourage Hebrew-speaking schoolchildren ot learn Arabic? Would road signs throughout the land appear in both languages? (Even the proudly bilingual Canada doesn't meet that standard.) Would an apartheid state be home to universities where Arabs and Jews mingle at will, or apartment blocks where they live side by side. Would an apartheid state bestow benefits and legal protections on Palestinians who live outside of Israel but work inside its borders? Would human rights organizatins operate openly in an apartheid state? They do in Israel. For that matter, even military officials go public with their criticisms of government policies?
... Even the late eminence grise of Palestinian nationalism, Edward Said stated flat out that 'Israel is not South Africa...' How could it be when an Israel publisher had translated Said's seminal work Orientalism, into Hebrew? I'll cap this point with a question that Said himself asked of Arabs: 'Why don't we fight harder for freedom of opinions in our own societies, a freedom, no one needs to be told, that scarcely exists?' "
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Everyone can get behind a foreign war. "Go get the bad guy! He threatens our freedom!" -- so we troop off to Afghanistan, to Viet Nam, to Iraq, to Cuba, to Grenada, to Lebanon, or wherever. Flags come out, patriotism blares over the radios, and we consider it a great victory when political objectives are achieved.
Yet the situation itself never changes. Soon a new war is needed.
Israel's policy has been for some years now to hold off its Arab nations with two powers: its submarine-delivered nuclear missiles and the military might of the United States. Jews and Muslims know their faiths are incompatible and that one alone can rule the Middle East.
An intelligent policy for Israel would be to admit that only ethnic Jews belong in Israel, and to exclude all others and cease trying to influence broader policy in the region. This contradicts the Western mandate of multiculturalism and would make Israel an obvious "bad guy" according to centuries of Judeo-Christian thought, so this cannot be publically admitted. A grotesque compromise results.
When Muslims look at the United States, they see a country that elects exclusively church-going leaders. They see a right wing dominated by radical Christian interests, and a left predominantly financed and driven by radical Jewish interests. They see AIPAC, the American-Israeli Political Action Committee, be accused of stealing state secrets and executing phone taps, and no vast action being taken.
It is no surprise that when Osama bin Laden refers to America as "the Crusaders" he is given rounds of applause. He predicted that combined Jewish and Christian forces would attack Islam, and with the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq he has been proven right. Furthermore, he is about to be proven right again, because there will be no resolution to the current Israel-Lebanon "crisis."
A world without either Jews or Muslims would be a form of poverty. Both groups have made immense contributions to culture and learning disproportionate to their numbers (for the record: so have Europeans, to a wider degree). Both have respectable traditions of learning and culture and religious discipline that are admirable on every continent. Both are incompatible with the other.
Islam is a religion of self-negation; Judaism is a religion of self-affirmation. Islam is a religion of struggle for the higher soul shared by all life, where Judaism is a religion for struggle of individual definition. While once ethnically similar, the two groups have diverged -- Jews have become increasingly European in character, where Muslims have become increasingly Asiatic. Compatibility is not an option.
Jewish populations have thrived in some Muslim countries, thanks to tolerant leaders and the tendency of those populations to keep to themselves and avoid offending local conventions (sensible behavior for any long-term guests). The same cannot be said of Israel, but this reflects the split between Jewish and Muslim populations: Israel has pursued modernity and technological wealth, where Muslims have pursued tradition and religion. Thus in Israel the role of Muslim is most commonly similar to that of Mexicans in the United States, as imported browner labor to which a pittance is paid.
This is a situation that, despite its popularity with voters, will not end well...
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From reading this statement, however, I would be led to the conclusion that it is because Israel was doing nothing diplomatically with Lebanon. That is conceivable, but I find it hard to believe. I hope those who have followed the situation more closely can either provide confirmation of the contention in this piece or evidence to the contrary.
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I read your article twice. I had to read it twice, because you use such vague and equivocating language that your point is not always clear. So allow me to summarize. You feel that the real war is the battle for Israel's moral soul, not the disproportionate battle between Israel and Lebanon.
Hogwash.
First of all, moral considerations are irrelevant. Israel simply needs to figure out how it can live with its neighbors. This is a strategic question, not a moral one. Bombing them into submission is probably not the best strategy, but it is a far better strategy than speaking in vague generalities about morality, since that kind of talk is cheap and meaningless and never motivates state action (though it is often cited as a pretext).
Second, this is not just a matter for Jews and Israelis to ponder. The whole region is affected, not to mention the United States. The state of Israel cannot--dare I say, in good conscience?--accept billions of dollars in military aid, then talk as though the whole thing is just an ethical connundrum that the few righteous Jews need to straighten out with their warmongering peers.
Wake up, will you? Try to think about someone who isn't Jewish or Israeli. Try to look things squarely in the face. People are DYING in Lebanon. Hundreds of thousands are refugees. The country's infrastructure lies in ruins. This is awful--for the Lebanese. For the Lebanese and the Palestinians THINGS ARE BLOODY FUCKING AWFUL.
And all you can talk about is the future of Israel's moral soul? I know you mean well, but it's actually kind of sad how insular your thinking is.
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» Maybe should have said 'All Hamas and Hezbolah want is the destruction of Israel'
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» Peace with two groups that want you destroyed? Explain that one to me.
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» Hamas and Hezbollah have official policies of Israel's total destruction. What don't you understand
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» Lose the propaganda line, then we'll talk
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» cont...
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» Hey look snorom. Josh can't come up with a response.
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» All Israel wants is Lebanese land and water, actually
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» The UN sanctioned Israel
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» RE: All Israel wants is peace, all Hamas and Hezbollah want is to destroy Israel.
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» What, specifically should Israel do?
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» Give them more land? Because withdrawing from Lebanon and Gaza worked out so great right?
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» RE: All Israel wants is PIECE! Piece of everything...........
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» All Israel wants is piece, all of Hamas' and Hezbollah's land.
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» A view from Airstrip One
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» Actually, not quite true
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» Semites, etc.
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Posted by: marklar on Aug 4, 2006 4:23 AM
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Well, at least my American Jewish friends aren't struggling so much with their concsience as Zeev Moaz is. In fact, I find it hard to call them friends as I am completley disgusted by their support for Israel apartheid and warmongering agression. The world is turning agianst Israel and their Israels paranoia will come to mean something soon.
Remember everyone, silence in the face of genocide and tyranny only means that you support what is happening, and one day, when they come for you, there will be no one to speak up in your defense, and you will have no reason to complain.
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» It is very good article.
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Posted by: chuckville on Aug 4, 2006 5:16 AM
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What Munich totally failed to do was give even one word to the side of the Palestinians and their struggle, which was what caused Munich in the first place. Instead, the Arabs were portrayed as violent, sub-human animals, and the poor Israelis as hand-wringing, soulsick patriots.
HUMBUG!
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» RE: Once again, the MUNICH syndrome
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» more to ponder
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» RE: Once again, the MUNICH syndrome
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» How about the ending scene of Schindler's List?
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» RE: WHAT TOTAL BULLSHIT!!!
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» RE: WHAT TOTAL BULLSHIT!!!
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» RE: WHAT TOTAL BULLSHIT!!!
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» peace was achieved
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Posted by: wawa on Aug 4, 2006 5:30 AM
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1. Infancy: the soul is egotistical and selfish
2. Childhood: these souls adhere to the teachings of others, they do good works, may even desire to love and please God, but often maybe rigid fundamentally minded thinkers and judgemental of others who disagree with their concept of God.
3. Adolescents: include but are not limited to Cynics, Atheists, Agnostics, social justice reformers and activists who follow the voice within themselves and take ACTION for the good of others.
4. Adulthood: The Way of the Mystic, who is one who LOVES God and knows God is within ALL others. Mystics see and understand the connection, interdependence of ALL to the One.
The WAWA blog has been reporting on the rapidly growing number 3 souls who are Israeli secular peace activists.
Many Israelis have been standing up and speaking out for decades against the occupation and oppression of the Israeli government.
2,000 years ago the zealots stood up to the empire/occupiers: Rome, in defense for the oppressed and voiceless, and were routinely crucified for disturbing the status quo.
Every Friday afternoon in west Jerusalem for the last 18 years, mostly secular, but also some devout Jewish "Women in Black" gather in public protest against the Israeli Occupation of Palestine.
Anarchists Against the Wall are young mostly secular Jews who STAND UP in solidarity with Palestinian land owners and Internationals against the building of the ILLEGAL separation wall where ever it does not follow the Green Line. They take bullets, gassings, billy club beatings and prison time, for doing so, but they do NOT back down.
It has been said fundamentalism is holding up evolution but the good news is many number 3 souls have WOKEN UP and are leading the way out of the dark and demented cycle of violence.
The globally accepted definition of insanity is to persist in the same behavior believeing you will get a different result.
Violence can ONLY begat more violence: when will America WAKE UP?
Only in solidarity can we hope to confront the injustices of the empire:
"We have it in out power to begin the world again" [Tom Paine]
ALL things are possible for those who LOVE, and without love you have nothing at all to give.
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» RE: Stages of the soul
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» Canadian captialist racists shut up and go away: Vive Quebec Libre!
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» Canada is a better example of Corporate Imperialism than the US.
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Posted by: Julian on Aug 4, 2006 5:48 AM
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» RE: An obscene concept
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» RE: An obscene concept
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Posted by: marxalot on Aug 4, 2006 6:11 AM
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I don't see much soul searching. They clearly want to see Hezbollah destroyed and the collateral damage - sorry, too bad.
But when you resort to passing around this 2003 rant by Bush administration comedian Dennis Miller to bolster you position, I believe it may be time for some introspection.
In his trademark manner, Miller creates the impression that only a complete idiot could take anything but a total pro-Israel position on the affairs of the Middle East. My Jewish friends, you make me wonder when you find consolation in this kind of agitprop.
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Posted by: catnapping on Aug 4, 2006 6:36 AM
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Ever since I was a little girl, I bought into the propaganda, that Israel was "only defending herself...she had that right."
Sorry. I no longer support Israel. She lost that right. She probably never had that right. she certainly lost it the first time she deliberately killed civilians.
I was just too blind to see.
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» RE: Israel no longer deserves to survive.
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» RE: Israel no longer deserves to survive.
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» RE: Israel no longer deserves to survive to commit more WAR CRIMES.
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» RE: Israel no longer deserves to survive.
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» RE: Israel no longer deserves to survive.
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» Your logic: Neither do any of the Arab states or organizations that killed Israeli civilians
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» and america?
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Posted by: daw13 on Aug 4, 2006 6:53 AM
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My point is simply that focusing on what may or may not be the intentions of pawns on the grand chessboard of the Middle East, without focusing on the movers of the pawns, consitutes what C Wright Mills called "crackpot reasoning" Those who stand to gain from what happens in Lebanon are the United States, Iran, and the Islamic Fundamentalist Movement. If Hezbollah is destroyed, which seems inevitable, Iran and the IFM draw closer. Syria will probably join the coalition. The ability of Iran to negotiate for a stronger role in the IFM will have been enhanced. Sympathy for Iran and the IFM will be enhanced throughout Europe and Asia.
The United States will achieve something it's wanted for a long time. Gaining a commitment from the Christian Lebanese to accept a U.S. military presence in Lebanon. In addition, the growth of pan-Arabic nationalism will once again have been seriously disrupted. The Neo-con world of Samuel Huntington's Clash of Civilizations will have been reinforced, strengthening the Neo-con position on the global stage. Only in a world of perpetual conflict do they remain a powerful force.
Israel loses. Whatever happens in Lebanon in the short run, Israel faces enemies no longer localized in a fashion that allows attacking their bases to diminish their attacks. Israelis have long been aware of their long-term desperate situation. The important debate within Israel hfor yearshas been, Which is more risky: Absorbing Palestinians, who will certainly constitute a fifth column to some degree? or alienating the CIA who have made it clear that such an choice would be unacceptable? The decision in Israel, of course, was the wrong one. But it had little to do with issues of morality, religion, or even nationalism.
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Structure%20of%20the%20World%20Zionist%20Organization.htm
They rose to power in the last stages of WW I when British PM Balfour, a Christian Zionist himself, could not get the help of Russian Jews and turned to the World Zionist Organization in 1918. From this, the creation of a monster was born in the Irgun and Sturn terror organizations that used terrorism to drive out the British and Palistinians from Palistine (to this day, the zionist people celebrate the bombing of the King David Hotel which killed 92 innocent people on 7/22/46 which the Irgun zionist terrorist organization, dressed as Arabs, exploded a bomb at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem) see http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/
0,,173-2277717,00.html .
Israel was created by terrorists and is run by terrorists. A zionist terror timeline created by Ralphe Bunche, the UN commissioner for Palestine for the period from 1944-48 can be viewed at http://www.doublestandards.org/text/unbunche.html
The Lavon affair in 1954, Israeli agents working in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including a United States diplomatic facility, and left evidence behind implicating Arabs as the culprits. The ruse would have worked, had not one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to capture and identify one of the bombers, which in turn led to the round up of an Israeli spy ring.
The attack on the USS Liberty in which Zionists killed 34 Americans while trying to sink the ship.
The Death of Peace Activist Rachel Corrie where on 3/17/03 Israelis run over her with a bulldozer. According to Greg Schnabel of Chicago who was with her, "Rachel was alone in front of the house as we were trying to get them to stop. She waved for bulldozer to stop and waved. She fell down and the bulldozer kept going. We yelled 'stop, stop', and the bulldozer didn't stop at all. It had completely run over her and then it reversed and ran back over her."
AIPAC has been a connection for Israel spies for a long time and has given military secrets to enemies of the US for decades. The current AIPAC investigation is just another in a long line of Israeli espionage against the United States.
Today's attitude of Zionism can be seen in many publications such as the Jerusalem Post:
"Yesha rabbis call for 'extermination of the enemy'
By JPOST.COM STAFF
The Yesha Rabbinical Council blamed the attack on the north on Wednesday morning on a "weakening of our grip on the land of Israel."
The rabbis saw the attack as a "direct continuation of relinquishing [territory] and weakness."
The Council called on the IDF to ignore Christian morals and "exterminate the enemy in the north and the south." They advised that an emergency government be established to "fight the true enemy as is appropriate, and to rescind orders to destroy and evict Jews."
The OCCUPIED territories have been against international law but the Zionists have claimed the land and precious water for themselves, leaving little of the territory for Palistinians to live in and little water too. However, we know that Zionists such as Dershowitz consider the non-Jewish life to be worth less than g-d's choosen. Gentiles are nothing more than usefull idiots to be used for a purpose in regaining the territory of Greater Israel as stated in Genesis 15:18-21.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Aug 4, 2006 7:04 AM
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I think the major goal of the upper tier of Israel - their own military-industrial complex - simply want to seize the lower section of Lebanon for it's water. And what I see is an ethnic cleansing program in the South of Lebanon, and I just hope that the Lebanese get their land back. What Israel is doing has shifted the balance of opinion very far against that country - and the people who support them, regardless of religion, are either ignorant or bloodthristy - drive out the Arabs and take their land?
You won't hear this discussed in the US media, but see todays ATO - http://www.atimes.com/
On top of all this we have this ridiculous PR war that is being carried out in the media full tilt - and not only are the neocons in the White House salivating over a chance to start a war in Syria, not only are the oil majors pulling in more profits then ever before, but the other benefit is the removal of the domestic spying issue from the media - now, if it had been Monica, you know it still would be on the front page every day. Read the language in this article - it's calm, reasonable and says nothing at all about the death and destruction- that PR for you.
The US corporate media are betraying the American people - they are they real anti-Americans, along with the corrupt creeps in the Administration. This war could have been shut down weeks ago with one word from the Bush Admin - but he just loves to see the blood flow - that's right world, we've got a mad American dictator-tool running things, and he seems desperate to turn the MidEast into a total war zone. Sorry.
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» My question was whether Israel refused diplomacy with Lebanon. So far I've heard no evidence
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» search the information yourself on-line
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» Criticism of the Israeli elite is definitely NOT anti-Semitism
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By Kaveh L Afrasiabi
Officially, Israel's ground invasion of Lebanon is an act of self-defense against Hezbollah's threat, aimed at creating a security buffer zone until the arrival of a "multinational force with an enforcement capability". But increasingly, as the initial goal of a narrow strip of only a few kilometers has now been extended up to the Litani River deep in Lebanon, the real motives behind Israel's invasion are becoming crystal-clear.
It's about (de facto) annexation, stupid. This is a war to annex a major chunk of Lebanese territory without necessarily saying so, under the pretext of security buffer and deterrence against future attacks on Israel.
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» The Independent Self Identifies as Pro-Israel
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Posted by: shyguy709 on Aug 4, 2006 9:01 AM
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I have come to realise that when anyone talks against Israel he is tagged as an antisemite...
it is so funny and sometimes disgusting to see the way the word anti-semitism is sabotaged
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» Analogies are a problem for you.
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» Send this genius to college on an Alternet Fellowship!
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I support his efforts.
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What does this tell you anyhow?
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Posted by: Hal on Aug 4, 2006 2:44 PM
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At the top, this has zip to do with “heart and soul” and everything to do with petrodollars exploited thru religious psyop brainwash.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14233.htm
http://szamko.gnn.tv/blogs/17155/Pipeline_Time
One more time: significant wars are fought over public wealth (blood money) for private power. Wars that profit from religion as pretext for killing and land grabs are the most two-faced of all.
To put it bluntly, Israeli hijack and occupation of Arab lands is seen by many as a transparent ruse that amounts to retread colonialism masked by religion. This perception gets added traction from the fact well over 90% of all Jews worldwide and in Israel have little to no genetic connection to the Mid East and thus are not even “Semites” (European and Russian Jews are almost all descended from Kazaria where the population converted to Judaism over 1200 years ago as a way of uniting their country).
If you look at who really financed and foisted Zionism into the Mid East it was Gilded Age cartel robber barons such as Lionel Rothschild (see his forebear quotes) and others responsible for the Sikes-Picot land thefts. Some of this super-privileged class was “Jewish” but their only religion was and remains naked power at the lethal cost of fellow Jews and anyone else inconvenient to their plans.
The denial bubble is sweet for those that extort blood money from this serial travesty but it is a horror show for virtually everyone else.
“I DON’T CARE WHO THE GOVERNMENT IS. LET ME CONTROL THE MONEY AND I WILL CONTROL THE COUNTRY.”
MAYER AMSCHEL ROTHSCHILD (attributed to the German godfather of the Rothschild banking cartel and grandfather to his heir Lord Baron Nathaniel Mayer de Rothschild: the de facto owner of the Bank of England and a key promoter of the U.S. “Federal Reserve” Act. 1744-1812)
”I CARE NOT WHAT PUPPET IS PLACED ON THE THRONE OF ENGLAND TO RULE THE EMPIRE,…THE MAN THAT CONTROLS BRITAIN’S MONEY SUPPLY CONTROLS THE BRITISH EMPIRE. AND I CONTROL THE MONEY SUPPLY.”
LORD BARON NATHANIEL MAYER DE ROTHSCHILD (as English head of a world Rothschild banking cartel and a chief promoter of the U.S. “Federal Reserve” Act. 1840-1915)
“COMPETITION IS A SIN.”
JOHN D. ROCKEFELLER (cartel robber baron and promoter of the U.S. “Federal Reserve” Act in alliance with the Rothschild bloc. 1839-1937)
“WE WILL HAVE WORLD GOVERNMENT WHETHER OR NOT WE LIKE IT. THE ONLY QUESTION IS WHETHER WORLD GOVERNMENT WILL BE ACHIEVED BY CONQUEST OR CONSENT.”
JAMES PAUL WARBURG (in testimony before the US Senate. Warburg was an agent of the Rockefeller-Rothschild bloc and chief architect of the “Federal Reserve” Corporation, an unconstitutional private bank monopoly set up for cartel hegemony. James Paul Warburg was the son of Paul Moritz Warburg, nephew of Felix Warburg and of Jacob Schiff, both of the Rothschild front Kuhn, Loeb & Co that financed and setup Lenin and Trotsky’s “Bolshevik Communist Revolution” thru James' brother Max, banker to the German government. February 17, 1950.)
“BRITAIN IS THE SLAVE OF AN INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL BLOC.”
BRITISH PRIME MINISTER DAVID LLOYD GEORGE (on the money cartel June 20, 1934)
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Posted by: FauxPorteno on Aug 4, 2006 4:28 PM
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How do we address the Palestinian issue? How do you pacify generations of anger wrought from a sense of having land "stolen" out from under them? How about being oppressed by a country which derives most of its military sophistication from the US? How can Palestinians govern themselves with a paternalistic antagonizer constantly looking over their shoulders?
On the other hand, what shall be done to assuage the valid concerns of Israelis? Does anyone here honestly believe that simply contracting the actual geophysical dimensions of the country or lands occupied theirin will cause Hezbollah, Iran and other Islamic extremists to simply recant and stop calling for the total destruction of the Israel state and its people? What do Muslim extremistst think - we're simply going to stand by while another 6 million Jews disappear? I have seen very light or non-existent criticism here of those who would call for the destruction of Israel. The whole "idea of Israel" may have been poorly designed and implemented but the state exists now and must be accepted. Otherwise what is to be done? Shall Jews be shuttled from Israel to Lower Manhattan to start over?
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» RE: SOLUTIONS??
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» RE: SOLUTIONS??....Jurusalem, an international city.....
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» RE: SOLUTIONS??
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» RE: SOLUTIONS??...many foresaw the injustice as intractable...
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All of them are wrong. The whole area needs secularization. At least over thirty five percent of Israelis are atheist. It's a good start. The whole area needs to be one big secularized state. Maybe even a democracy. In the end, it's the same old story. The haves oppress the have nots. And the USA because of its idiotic religiosities supports Israel. It would be interesting to see how things would change without that support...
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One of the reasons Israel is attacking Christian targets in Lebanon is to show its opposition to the tactical agreement between the FPM and Hezbollah. The attacks on Christian targets are a way to punish Israel's one-time allies. The FPM, as well as most other Lebanese political parties, are also acutely aware of Israeli and American involvement in a series of "false flag" assassinations of Lebanese politicians and journalists in order to stir up resentment against Syria. Israel and the United States can only rely on Geagea and Walid Jumblatt, the Lebanese Druze leader. One of the men arrested by Lebanese police for working with an Israeli assassination team involved in killing Lebanese politicians is a Lebanese Druze.
Aoun's MOU with Hezbollah is dangerous for Israel and the United States. Last November, Aoun was feted in Washington by neo-con members of the Bush administration and pro-Israel members of Congress for his leadership of the so-called "Cedar Revolution," the movement to chase Syria out of Lebanon after it was falsely accused of being behind the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. It was a tactical agreement between Hariri and Hezbollah, similar to that between Aoun and Hezbollah, that largely contributed to Jerusalem's and Washington's decision, and Saudi Arabia's acquiescence, to eliminate Hariri.
Aoun, as a one-time Israeli military ally, is well aware of Israel's tactics. Israeli military forces have discovered that entering Lebanon is not the cake walk it was during the Lebanese civil war. Aoun is also extremely knowledgeable about the pro-Israeli cells operating within the Bush administration and the neo-con think tanks and contrivances in Washington. These are the very same elements that supported the Cedar Revolution and include the American Enterprise Institute, where Michael Ledeen and Richard Perle nest; the neo-con supported US Committee for a Free Lebanon; Heritage Foundation; Foundation for the Defense of Democracies; Hudson Institute; Hoover Institution; Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP); and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA).
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By VIRGINIA TILLEY
Johannesburg, South Africa.
It is finally time. After years of internal arguments, confusion, and dithering, the time has come for a full-fledged international boycott of Israel. Good cause for a boycott has, of course, been in place for decades, as a raft of initiatives already attests. But Israel's war crimes are now so shocking, its extremism so clear, the suffering so great, the UN so helpless, and the international community's need to contain Israel's behavior so urgent and compelling, that the time for global action has matured. A coordinated movement of divestment, sanctions, and boycotts against Israel must convene to contain not only Israel's aggressive acts and crimes against humanitarian law but also, as in South Africa, its founding racist logics that inspired and still drive the entire Palestinian problem.
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» Excellent article by political scientist Virginia Tilley
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Posted by: ncg96773 on Aug 5, 2006 9:46 AM
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I was sexually abused as a child. I was small. Very small. The people who abused me were not. They were in charge of my life...I had to trust them, despite what they had done to me. I survived...yet remain broken.
That was way over 40 years ago. It happened in a country that had just committed the worst crimes against humanity in recorded history: Germany.
For over 40 years, I have tried to come to terms with what has happened to me. And today, I know, that I will carry the scars for the rest of my life.
Let's go back in time a bit further. It's the mid forties now. Millions of Jews have been exterminated. Their blood, their memories, the stories of their lives and families, their dreams and fears, are everywhere to be found, if you only listen and see. Their horror is so great that no abyss is deep enough to contain it. Nothing on this planet is made to contain such atrocity...nothing.
And still, life continues...goes on, as if nothing ever happened. The sun comes up, the seasons change, the rivers flow along their shores, as if blood had never been a part of them. And slowly the bullet holes in the facades of the building around me disappear. But the memories remain.
Today, we live in unjust times. The 'lie' shouts at us in big printed letters. Every day more violence. First here, then there...suddenly everywhere. It is memory time.
Sometimes, the trigger is subtle. I hardly notice it, at first. A certain kind of glance or touch...who knows what exactly sets it off. But there I go, tumble head first into the dark. The broken parts in me, the individual pieces that remember, carefully kept from each other to not overwhelm me by merging unexpectedly. The whole picture, the whole truth is such a frightening phenomena that parts within me belief that death would result instantly, if I would be made to see clearly. So, how do you heal from trauma? How do you grow up, unshattered, after having been combed with a blade, caressed with a baseball bat? How do you trust ever again, when you have watched the murder of your family and somehow, miraculously survived it?
To that, I have no answer. But I do understand the bottomless sense of powerlessness...the kind, that makes a brilliant mind create the atom bomb . And still, all the atomic weapons ignited simultaneously will not take away the rage I feel when pushed back into the place I was in when the trauma hit. And I know, that my rage exists to drown out the more vulnerable emotions of mine: my bottomless grief. Grief about the violations to my human birth rights. The right to dignity, love, trust, compassion, honesty and understanding. Utopia, I know.
What humans are capable of doing to each other is in direct proportion to what they have been exposed to. Dictators and mass murders are not born that way. They are bred and mutilated into it. And if enough members of a society have been disfigured in their humanity, a dictator can emerge as collective mirror, and will be carried by its members.
Rage is the result of repressed anger. If you never were allowed to express your justified anger about the violations to your human birth rights, the bomb becomes the icon, the way. And as the 'bomb' releases its rage, grief follows its murderous path, like dawn follows the night.
Why isn't it possible to see the relationship between the fragile human psyche, the rage of warfare and the necessity for humans to grief the losses they heap upon each other?
Projecting 'evil' into one another, across our borders or into our heavens is the fastest way to transform the entire planet into a holocaust. Let's not!
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..The postings of jreinhart1, catnaping, Hal...throughout
the Internet there are many of a like mind....citing the same
facts.... exposing the fraudulent racist genocidal scam that
the Israelis have managed to pull of since 1948.
Perhaps this is like that scene from the old Disney Fantasia..
The Sorcerer's Apprentice...first a trickle... a few drops..then
a deluge....
Several dozen farm workers...simple peasants...butchered
by some high tech bomb....these are the actions of war
criminals...
We Americans finance these swaggering arrogant psychos,
to the tune of Billions of our tax dollars....and American
'peasants' can't even get the Fucking minimum wage
raised from $5.15/hour.
Is there a minimum wage in Israel???
There is no difference between Israel 2006 and The Third
Reich circa 1936 or South Africa circa 1976....
and the inevitable outcome will be the same.
I am neither Arab nor Muslim...don't give too much of a
good goddamn about either group for that matter...But what
is being done in Lebanon and Gaza and so on .....
is an evil acceptable only to the truly 'untermensch'.
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I’m sure that’s right, if the simplified interpretation is correct.
Yet to refer to this moral neurosis and the need to harmonize it, in the middle of bloody war, is seriously confusing the two levels of moral thinking and physical acting. There are unacceptable physical acts of war happening in Lebanon. They must be stopped as such. Only then the morally faulty assumptions behind it may be addressed. To start with the morals, hoping a solution on the moral level will stop the physical killing, is turning the matter upside down in a manner that will not work.
On a parallell: a drunk who’s gotten into a fight over a paranoid reaction, attacking in perceived self-defence against a taunt misconceived as a serious attack, must first be stopped fighting and causing harm, before his misconception has any chance of being understood by him. This I know. Trying to stop the fight by informing the raging fighter that he misunderstood, is sheer folly. First things first.
This for ye all:
Blaséed (not to be pronounced 'blessed')
People are dying in beautiful colours
and well-composed pictures
on my tv
It's such a hot summer-day
It's such a hot channel
It's such a dilemma
to give it Ocar or Emmy
or what else
reaction should be...
Ole Ullern
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» .evidence of soul in Israeli pilots
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» RE: Unresolved Trauma
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Kidnapped in Israel or Captured in Lebanon? Official justification for Israel's invasion on thin ice
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? context=viewArticle&code=FRA20060725&articleId=2813
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If this is true, I hope the press does report this very salient fact. And if true, I swear to God I am going to start being an anti-Israeli. Further I think our governments should look into the role one religious group, with extremist tendencies has in mass media ownership.
I AM SIMPLY TIRED OF BEING LIED TO!
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» RE: It appears Israel has lied to us again, the captured IDF soldiers were in Lebanon!
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In Muslim eyes, Israel is a colonial occupation of Arab land created by the former western colonial powers. Israel has to recognize the legitimacy of that grievance and deal with it directly.
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» Israel is Not Pakistan(nor like any Arab nation or Muslim nation since they all lack civil rights
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» Can you spell Gold and Diamonds?
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» Read More About Israel Before You Generalize
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"In a state practicing apartheid, would Arab Muslim legislators wield veto power over anything? At only 20 percent of the population, would Arabs even be eligible for election if they squirmed under the thumb of apartheid? Would an apartheid state extend voting rights to women and the poor in local elections, which Israel did for the first time in the history of Palestinian Arabs? Would the vast majority of Arab Israeli citizens turn out to vote in national elections, as they've usually done? Would an apartheid state have several Arab political parties, as Israel does? Would the judiciary be free of political interference? In the 2003 Israeli elections, two Arab parties found themselves disqualified for expressly supporting terrorism against the Jewish state. Israel's supreme court overturned both diqualifications.
Would an apartheid state award its top literary prize to an Arab? Israel honored Emile Habibi in 1986, before any intifida might have made the choice politically shrewd. Would an apartheid state encourage Hebrew-speaking schoolchildren ot learn Arabic? Would road signs throughout the land appear in both languages? (Even the proudly bilingual Canada doesn't meet that standard.) Would an apartheid state be home to universities where Arabs and Jews mingle at will, or apartment blocks where they live side by side. Would an apartheid state bestow benefits and legal protections on Palestinians who live outside of Israel but work inside its borders? Would human rights organizatins operate openly in an apartheid state? They do in Israel. For that matter, even military officials go public with their criticisms of government policies?
... Even the late eminence grise of Palestinian nationalism, Edward Said stated flat out that 'Israel is not South Africa...' How could it be when an Israel publisher had translated Said's seminal work Orientalism, into Hebrew? I'll cap this point with a question that Said himself asked of Arabs: 'Why don't we fight harder for freedom of opinions in our own societies, a freedom, no one needs to be told, that scarcely exists?' "
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Everyone can get behind a foreign war. "Go get the bad guy! He threatens our freedom!" -- so we troop off to Afghanistan, to Viet Nam, to Iraq, to Cuba, to Grenada, to Lebanon, or wherever. Flags come out, patriotism blares over the radios, and we consider it a great victory when political objectives are achieved.
Yet the situation itself never changes. Soon a new war is needed.
Israel's policy has been for some years now to hold off its Arab nations with two powers: its submarine-delivered nuclear missiles and the military might of the United States. Jews and Muslims know their faiths are incompatible and that one alone can rule the Middle East.
An intelligent policy for Israel would be to admit that only ethnic Jews belong in Israel, and to exclude all others and cease trying to influence broader policy in the region. This contradicts the Western mandate of multiculturalism and would make Israel an obvious "bad guy" according to centuries of Judeo-Christian thought, so this cannot be publically admitted. A grotesque compromise results.
When Muslims look at the United States, they see a country that elects exclusively church-going leaders. They see a right wing dominated by radical Christian interests, and a left predominantly financed and driven by radical Jewish interests. They see AIPAC, the American-Israeli Political Action Committee, be accused of stealing state secrets and executing phone taps, and no vast action being taken.
It is no surprise that when Osama bin Laden refers to America as "the Crusaders" he is given rounds of applause. He predicted that combined Jewish and Christian forces would attack Islam, and with the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq he has been proven right. Furthermore, he is about to be proven right again, because there will be no resolution to the current Israel-Lebanon "crisis."
A world without either Jews or Muslims would be a form of poverty. Both groups have made immense contributions to culture and learning disproportionate to their numbers (for the record: so have Europeans, to a wider degree). Both have respectable traditions of learning and culture and religious discipline that are admirable on every continent. Both are incompatible with the other.
Islam is a religion of self-negation; Judaism is a religion of self-affirmation. Islam is a religion of struggle for the higher soul shared by all life, where Judaism is a religion for struggle of individual definition. While once ethnically similar, the two groups have diverged -- Jews have become increasingly European in character, where Muslims have become increasingly Asiatic. Compatibility is not an option.
Jewish populations have thrived in some Muslim countries, thanks to tolerant leaders and the tendency of those populations to keep to themselves and avoid offending local conventions (sensible behavior for any long-term guests). The same cannot be said of Israel, but this reflects the split between Jewish and Muslim populations: Israel has pursued modernity and technological wealth, where Muslims have pursued tradition and religion. Thus in Israel the role of Muslim is most commonly similar to that of Mexicans in the United States, as imported browner labor to which a pittance is paid.
This is a situation that, despite its popularity with voters, will not end well...
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