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Evidence of Election Fraud Grows in México
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That hasn't kept a consensus from emerging in the commercial media that Calderón won by a small margin in a squeaky-clean election. In a hyperbolic editorial on July 30 -- one that bordered on the ridiculous -- the Washington Post accused López Obrador, known as AMLO to his supporters, of taking "a lesson from Joseph Stalin" and launching an "anti-democracy campaign" by demanding a manual recount and urging his supporters to take to the streets in peaceful protests. Calling the vote "a success story and a model for other nations," the editors concluded that it's "difficult to overstate the irresponsibility of Mr. López Obrador's actions."
Days after the election, the New York Times irresponsibly declared candidate Calderón the winner, even though no victor had been declared under Mexican law, and just this week, in an article about López Obrador's protests, the Times reported that López Obrador had "escalated his campaign to undo official results."
But there are no "official" results and probably won't be until after Sept. 1. Under Mexican law, the Federal Electoral Institute (IFE) is charged with running the elections and counting the vote. But only the country's Election Tribunal, known by its Mexican nickname as the "TRIFE," has the power to declare a victor (See here for background on the TRIFE). They have until Sept. 6 to rule on the election.
It appears that the U.S. media has become so enamored with the construct of the "anti-democratic" left in Latin America -- the ubiquitous "fiery populists" (a term that has described everyone from the centrist Lula da Silva to Hugo Chávez) -- that they are incapable of fulfilling their basic mandate to inform their readers when it comes to the political landscape south of the border. It's nothing short of journalistic malpractice.
But back in the real world, a growing body of credible evidence from mainstream Mexican journalists, independent election observers and respected scholars indicates that an attempt was made to deliver the presidency to Calderón. It includes a pattern of irregularities at the polls, interference by the ruling party and some very suspicious statistical patterns in the "official" results.
The TRIFE is now sifting through 900 pages of formal complaints lodged by López Obrador. Their ruling on those challenges will indicate how well México's electoral process holds up in a closely fought and highly polarized race.
Growing evidence of irregularities and fraud
México has a history of the party in power's using its clout to tip the election in its favor, and strict laws prohibiting ruling party interference were enacted in the 1990s. Election law prevented Vicente Fox, the outgoing PAN president, from making public statements of a partisan or political nature. But he overstepped this line many times in the 2006 campaign, including dozens of speeches reinforcing candidate Felipe Calderón's basic message that López Obrador was a "danger to México." In a well-publicized speech, candidate López Obrador responded, "With all respect, Mr. President, shut up. You sound like a chattering bird." Fox continued with these speeches until election authorities and public commentators warned Fox he was violating election laws.
The Fox administration also ran public service announcements touting government programs and services and promoting the vote. PAN saturated the television airwaves with "swift-boat" style attack ads against López Obrador, comparing him to Venezuela's Hugo Chávez and calling him a "danger to México." Election authorities eventually ordered these commercials off the air on the grounds that they were untrue and maligned the candidate's character, but critics believe they moved too slowly.
Under Mexican law, ruling party interference is a serious charge and grounds for annulling an election. In the last ten years, the same Electoral Tribunal judges that are reviewing AMLO's complaints annulled governors' races in Tabasco and Colima, based on ruling party interference. The Institutional Revolution Party (PRI), which ruled México for seven decades before the system was reformed in the 1990s, made vote buying and voter coercion into a high art form, and there is strong evidence that they were up to their old tricks in the 2006 election. With PRI governors in 17 of México's 31 states, election observers documented a significant number of examples of voters being offered money or receiving food or building materials in exchange for their PRI vote. In a country where half the citizens live in poverty and rely on different forms of government assistance, voters are often told that their public assistance is dependent on voting for the party in power. There are examples of PAN using similar practices, especially a well-documented case of funds diverted from a San Luis Potosi building program into PAN electoral races.
The Mexican electoral system has come a long way in two decades in implementing anti-fraud systems. But there are still several ways that results can be tampered with on election day. López Obrador's campaign and hundreds of independent election observers documented several hundred cases of "old fashioned" election-day fraud in making their case for a recount.
Here's how the system was supposed to work. On July 2, Mexicans voted at over 130,000 different polling stations, casting separate ballots for president, senator and federal deputy. Each political party was encouraged to have registered poll watchers at every polling station to observe the voting process and count at the end of the day. As international and Mexican election observers noted, however, problems emerged when there weren't enough independent and party observers to go around. In regions where one party was dominant, this created opportunities for vote shaving, ballot stuffing, lost ballots and other forms of fraud.
The PRD's strongest case for a recount comes from the fact that ballots in almost one-third of the country were not counted in the presence of independent observers. One analysis of IFE results found that there were 2,366 polling places where only a PAN observer was present. In these districts, Calderón beat López Obrador by a whopping 71-21 margin.
Other elements of PRD's legal challenge include documentation of several ballot boxes found in dumps in the PRD stronghold of México City. They also point to evidence such as the nonpartisan Civic Alliance's report documenting 17 polling sites in PAN-dominated Nuevo León, Michoacan and Querétaro, where the number of votes cast vastly exceeded the number of registered voters at a site.
Reports by international and domestic election observers affiliated with the Civic Alliance and Global Exchange stop short of claiming fraud in the elections. They laud the dedication of most poll workers they monitored and the preparations for the vote in most of the polling places, as well as the orderly and peaceful process overall. But the cumulative evidence is damning in such a closely contested race.
In the weeks after the election, PRD observers again sounded the alarm as sealed ballot packets were being illegally opened at IFE district offices in several PAN-dominated regions. PRD officials accused IFE officials of possibly tampering with ballots or attempting to cover up fraud in the event of a recount. The TRIFE ordered these offices to stop opening vote packets.
While the López Obrador campaign has not made major charges of "cyber fraud," there is an emerging controversy over the IFE's role in reporting who was ahead in the vote count. For the 2006 election, the IFE had developed a sophisticated system to provide preliminary results called the PREP. Relying on results being phoned in from a sample of precincts, the IFE could compile a credible picture of the vote. If the PREP showed one candidate with a clear majority, the system would have allowed Mexicans to go to sleep on election night knowing who their next president would be. But because of the razor close results, the PREP proved to be an inadequate measure.
Now research is emerging to suggest that the PREP results were cooked to create the appearance of a Calderón victory. Physicist Jorge López at the University of Texas, El Paso, conducted a statistical analysis of the PREP results and found that, as the results came in, the differential between the candidates' totals remained almost constant. One would expect that, as results from each party's geographic strongholds were counted, the gap between their totals would rise and would fall. In such a tight election, one would even expect the lead to change back and forth as the count progressed. None of that happened. The results of a third candidate, Roberto Madrazo of the Institutional Revolutionary Party (PRI), fluctuated as expected.
He also noted that there was very little deviation between the actual results as they came in and the average results; in a normal, natural distribution, one would expect significant differences between the two (it should look something like a squashed bell-shaped curve). Dr. López concluded the pattern was "a clear indication that the data was manufactured by an algorithm and does not stand a chance at passing as data originated at the actual voting."
Luis Mochan, a physicist at the Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, did similar work. He noted that the PREP data was posted after the first 10,000 reports had been processed, and looked at whether those first 10,000 reports were consistent with the statistical trends for the rest of the day. When he plotted the data backwards, Calderón's vote total originated at zero, as is normal, but López Obrador began the day 126,000 votes in the hole.
Mochan and López both point out that the Calderón began the day building a large percentage lead -- seven points -- that decreased steadily throughout the day. The large early lead would have been handy from a psychological and political perspective, allowing Calderón to claim that he led all day long, but the results had to end in a close result given that polls conducted a week before the tally showed a statistical dead heat.
Mochan also notes gross discrepancies in the number of votes processed late in the evening: "At the end of the plot, we find intervals with more than 1,200 votes per [voting] booth. I understand that no booth was to receive more than 750 votes. Even more worrisome, some data points indicate a negative number of votes per booth."
Mochan notes that these statistical anomalies aren't definitive proof of anything. But economist James Galbraith, reviewing Mochan's data, speculated about a likely scenario that would fit the discrepancies seen that night:
Felipe Calderón started the night with an advantage in total votes, a gift from the authorities.
As the count progressed, this advantage was maintained by misreporting of the actual results. This enabled Calderón to claim that he had led through the entire process -- an argument greatly repeated but spurious in any case because it is only the final count that matters.
Toward the end of the count, further adjustments were made to support the appearance of a victory by Calderón.Critics suggest that the IFE may have aggressively pushed to swiftly declare Calderón a victor, obviating the need for a poll-by-poll vote recount.
The U.S. media was also confused on the Wednesday after the vote when the IFE ordered all 300 district offices to review the tally sheets. It was widely reported as a "recount," when in fact very few ballots were actually counted. In some cases, such as when a tally sheet was illegible, the sealed ballot packets where opened and recounted. Almost every time that occurred, observers encountered significant errors in the vote count. In the state of México, one tally sheet recorded 88 votes for López Obrador when the recount of ballots found 188 votes. Whether it was human error or intentional vote shaving, in a tight election race, these examples gain heightened significance.
None of these reports in and of themselves constitute a smoking gun. But the questions they raise need to be answered. There is far more evidence pointing to fraud in the Mexican elections in 2006 than was made publicly available about Ukraine's contested vote in 2004. Comparing the media and political establishment's reactions to the two reveals the transparent dishonesty in backing Calderón's claim of victory; in 2004 many of the same voices that are now calling López Obrador "undemocratic" were screaming that the Ukrainian tally had to be annulled and only a new election would assure democracy in the former Soviet satellite. In both instances, the candidate who declared victory was friendly towards a powerful neighboring state; in 2004 that state was Russia, and two years later it's the United States. Forget about threatening México's fragile democratic institutions -- that makes all the difference to the editorial boards of the New York Times and the Washington Post.
According to the Mexican daily La Jornada, over two million supporters of López Obrador gathered in México City on Sunday, July 30, the largest public demonstration in México's history. Millions of voices chanted "vote by vote, poll by poll," calling on the Electoral Tribunal to order a recount. A poll released this week found that Mexicans, by a 20-point margin (48-28), want a vote-by-vote count. López Obrador has said he will call off protests when the Tribunal agrees to a recount and will honor its final decision.
As for the charge in the U.S. media that López Obrador is undermining democracy and the rule of law by calling on his supporters to protest, we believe that the rights of peaceful assembly and free speech are important democratic tenets. Public protests have played a historic part in México's three decade-long transition to democracy.
President and PAN leader Vicente Fox called for direct action when he believed he was victimized by electoral fraud in his race for the governorship of Guanajuato in 1991. Fox called on thousands of supporters to take to the streets and block highways, and the results were eventually overturned. Asked before the 2000 presidential election if he would do the same thing if he suspected fraud, he didn't hesitate to say "we will be very alert to any irregularities, and we will submit the appropriate legal accusations that are necessary. If there is any instability [as a result of those accusations], it will be due to whatever they have done fraudulently to avoid recognizing our victory."
While Calderón has opposed a ballot-by-ballot recount, even some of his staunchest supporters have argued that the process would assure Mexicans' faith in their electoral authorities and strengthen the country's young democracy. In a race where over 64 percent of Mexicans voted against him, Calderón, if he should prove victorious, will need all the legitimacy he can muster.
As México awaits the rulings of the electoral tribunal, tensions are high. The campaign -- often dirty -- and the close results have polarized the country. Given the context, the U.S. media's water-carrying for Calderón's campaign is anything but helpful. The fact that there have been no "official" results is not open to dispute, and until AMLO's allegations have been investigated, there is no way that anyone can say who will come out ahead.
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Posted by: HeroesAll on Aug 2, 2006 2:32 AM
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Because it's well known that Stalin's most feared tactic was the street protest. And a manual recount of votes, as we all know, is contrary to all democratic principles, and will undoubtedly destroy Civilisation As We Know It (hereinafter referred to as CAWKI).
Ptchah. WaPo is such a handmaiden of the right (and I'm using the very genteel term here, not the one that springs to mind). I'm just waiting for one of the doofus posters here to do the usual whining about the 'left wing media'.
Very nice work again, Josh and Chuck. Looking forward to more in this saga. It's going to be a long-running one, I can tell. Like Days of Our Lives.
Actually, on further thought, a recount probably would destroy CAWKI. Remember 2000? Who did, and who didn't, want a recount? Can't let that sort of thing catch on, you know.
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Aug 2, 2006 4:06 AM
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Strange how the plutocracy in the U.S. always supports the plutocracy in other countries. Both the Washington Post and New York Times are owned by multimillionaires which I think includes them in our plutocracy.
Even after all the Republican tax cuts they’ve received, our billionaires are reportedly still cheating on the taxes. How much money do they need to satisfy them? I have a theory that goes like this: Some rich people act as if they think they can bribe death if they have enough money. It works with politicians, so maybe it will work with the Grim Reaper.
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Posted by: rsaxto on Aug 2, 2006 4:21 AM
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Posted by: jules_siegel on Aug 2, 2006 4:32 AM
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The argument about the higher vote count in the voting stations without PRD observers raises the question why the PRD would expect a lot of votes in areas in which it couldn't even come up with poll watchers.
The statistical arguments are highly speculative, at best. Using the PREP is considered poor statistical practice. That's why López Obrador got off the cyberfraud charges right away and, in fact, explicitly denied any claims of cyberfraud. He then reversed himself a day later. I checked with R. Mansilla, who did the Benford's Law study on the PREP results and he admitted that he could not say if the variations he saw were statitistically significant -- a minor point, I'm sure.
Vote buying or providing social services?
Vote buying is an old story that has never been proven to have any effect on how people actually vote. It was raised during the 2000 election, but an opinion study at the time clearly demonstrated that even if true (dubious in most cases) it was not in any way a significant factor.
A survey carried out in May, 2000, by the nonprofit watchdog group Alianza Cívica (reported by Mexico Solidarity Network, Weekly News Summary May 22-31 2000) suggested that of the 24% of the Mexican population which receives federal welfare aid of some sort, 11% feel obligated to vote for a particular party (in most cases, the PRI) in return for their aid. In the countryside the figure rises to 14%, and is 18% among those Mexicans living in extreme poverty. The story also reported that the opposition in Guerrero (if I remember correctly), then a PRI stronghold, admitted it was unable to come up with any concrete examples of vote-buying.
Assuming that the survey is properly constructed (a very big assumption) what it is really saying is that 89% don't feel obligated. Of those who do feel obligated, not all will vote for the PRI. Then there is the semantic question of what "obligated" means. How would this change if the question were phrased differently? Gratitude? Loyalty? Finally, how many votes does this all add up to? At the most, a part of 11% of those receiving the benefits?
This is an area in which you should be especially wary. Vote buying is usually a neo-Liberal code word for providing desperately needed public assistance and social services. Hugo Chávez is routinely accused of vote buying, isn't he? That would include setting up free medical clinics all over Venezuela, I guess, staffed by Cuban doctors.
Criminal fraud
The area you should look into is criminal fraud, which would be handled by the Fedape, the Federal District Attorney for Election Crime. Is the PRD pressing any charges of criminal voter fraud? If so, what are they?
Their web page is at http://www.pgr.gob.mx/fepade/fepade/ANTECEDENTES.htm
Email: fepadenet@pgr.gob.mx and fiscalenlinea@pgr.gob.net
At http://www.pgr.gob.mx/fepade/directorio/mapa.asp you will find a directory of contacts with telephone and fax numbers.
The top person is María de los Ángeles Fromow Rangel. Her phone number is (0155) 5346-3101 in Mexico.
I'll be very interested to learn what you find out. I am in the middle of a huge and very demanding project on a very tight deadline. Otherwise, I'd do this myself. Good luck to you.
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Posted by: Liberalandproudofit on Aug 2, 2006 4:49 AM
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ALL the certification and testing in the world is useless if a person managed to get physical access to the machine. And cities and counties are asking for "voluteers" to move the machines.
Sounds like herr Bush and company are already planning to rig the election
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Posted by: Sojourner on Aug 2, 2006 6:45 AM
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Yes, I expect that computer voting needs more safeguards. But sometimes tea leaf readers do a better job than number technicians.
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Posted by: aemulus on Aug 2, 2006 10:31 AM
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Which one would you believe most?
a)A candidate able to speak to bankers, middle class, CEO´s, but not identified with low-income mexicans ; or
b) a candidate that speaks directly to the people ("el pueblo"), and likes to send malicious messages to bankers, commerce and industrial associations and even the president.
And seeing this in a different perspective, a peer told me, "if there is a fraud, involving IFE, international observers, civilians, media, and some organizations (almost a million and a half people)...and if there is a person leading it , that is the person we need to lead the country"
It is all about beliefs and credibility...
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Posted by: Patrick_Ross on Aug 2, 2006 10:35 AM
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This tends to go hand-in-hand with a government that, in many respects, follows the populist tendency to listen to the people. It's considered that people marching in the streets are a breath away from a civilian coup d'etat.
The recount will happen. Whether or not any of the candidates in this election are fit to lead is another question entirely.
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Posted by: starvinmarvy on Aug 2, 2006 11:26 AM
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they`re still gonna die.Fact is....they`ll see after their last breath how they`ve done so many wrong!!Fact is...after that last breath and they review that life that they once thought of
as "brillant maneuvers and HARD WORK"...as now a "pathetic,
rueful,...SAD waste of a lifetime. Until these so called "human beings" that hold the wealth of this planet in their hands.......
finally realize that its so much more important to help your fellow man ....than to build personal wealth and power....we will all continue to do ....and die....whatever and whenever they want. And that includes the so called leaders of this country!
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Posted by: krose on Aug 2, 2006 6:43 PM
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WE MUST TAKE TO THE STREETS, LIKE THEY DID IN THE UKRAINE, AND IN MEXICO!
IT IS THE ONLY ANSWER TO TAKING OUR COUNTRY BACK FROM THE CROOKS, LIARS, AND THIEVES WHO HAVE IT NOW!
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Posted by: Mex on Aug 2, 2006 6:53 PM
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There is only one important newspaper (La Jornada, not "La Journada") who claims that there was a fraud and this newspaper is very well know to be very attached to the PRD party and his candidate.
About the international observers, non of them found any evidence or indication of fraud before or during the election and Chuck Collins' article doesn't give any sustainable evidence of a "fraud", he even write that non of the reports that he has quoted "constitute a smoking gun".
Is very valid to demand a recount, but that decision doesn't belong to the candidates, belongs to the electoral court, 'El TRIFE', according to the electoral law (approved even by the PRD).
Comparing this election with the fraud of 1988, or with the USA election of 2000, is a BIG disproportion. The electoral system right now is much better than the one in 1988 and even better than the USA. By the way, one of the Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) supporters, Manuel Barlett (from the PRI party) among others, were one of the arquitecs of the 1988 election fraud against Cuauhtémoc Cárdenas linked text
Now, does AMLO represent the real left in México, I don't think so. He represente the old PRI with a democrat custom or, if you want, that "exotic populism" that some progressive people in the USA love, but damage the economy and the institutions of a country.
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Posted by: xbj on Aug 2, 2006 9:02 PM
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Perhaps there is hope after all, without China and Russia having to nuke the US off the face of the planet.
Time WILL tell.
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Posted by: AnaB on Aug 2, 2006 9:48 PM
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One can only interpret Fox naming him interim president as another effort to bribe a powerful figure withing the PRD party. And, its a well known fact that Cardenas is open for business.
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In a paper prepared for 23rd Annual Summer Meeting of the Society for Political Methodology, July 20-22, 2006 (available as a PDF for download HERE) he studies election results from Florida in 2004 and from Mexico in 2006.
He employs a statistical analysis based on Benford's law, which has to do with the observation that in looking to large samples (such as voting or census data), there is actually a predictable distribution of how often the digits (i.e., 0-9) should appear in a certain position (in Mebane's analysis, the 2nd digit from the left), and that if the digits appear to skew very far from the expected distribution, then there may be a problem, such as errors or some type of fraud ('fraud' may include cases in which data is made up or manipulated for other reasons than aiming at a desired result, i.e., no one ever originally gathered the data and they're making it up).
In this paper I study a statistical method intended to help detect election fraud. Other methods, using regression- based techniques for outlier detection, have previously been proposed to help detect election anomalies... The method described here is distinctive in that it does not require that we have covariates to which we may reasonably assume the votes are related across political jurisdictions. The method is based on tests of the distribution of the digits in reported vote counts, so all that is needed are the vote counts themselves. Being based on so little information, the method cannot in itself diagnose whether an anomaly it may flag is a consequence of fraud or of some other kind of irregularity. But, as I show, some patterns of fraud will cause the method to trigger. So the method is best understood as an indicator for places where investigations that use other kinds of information -- for instance, audits of election administration records and manual ballot recounts -- might best be targeted.
He concludes that there is enough departure from the expected model at his level of analysis to warrant a manual recount, whether of a sample or, of course, a complete recount.
The 2BL {2nd digit Benford's Law} test results for secciones certainly suggest there are problems with the 2006 presidential vote counts in many Mexican states, although probably not in most of them. More refined analysis is needed to reach sharper conclusions, but the general impression is that more intensive investigation of the election results is in order. That might include doing a manual recount of many -- perhaps all -- of the individual ballots. A cost efficient method may be to begin by recounting a random sample of the ballots -- all the ballots in a sample of secciones -- where the probability that a seccion is selected for recounting is greater in places where the 2BL test results are worse. For such an exercise it may be reasonable to conduct 2BL tests for secciones collected into sets that correspond to the legislative districts they are part of, with sampling for purposes of initial recounting done at the level of districts. Perhaps a two-stage sampling plan could be used, with districts selected at the first stage (weighted by the 2BL test results) and secciones within each district selected at the second stage. If such an initial sampling did identify problems with the vote tabulations, then the case for a comprehensive manual recount would become extremely strong.
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He also told me that Obrador was too far to the left and he did not vote for him.
See the propaganda machine works just fine in Mexico too. He voted aginst his own best intrest. Somehow(the media), he had been convinced that Obrador was just like the commie Chaves. I explained to him that all the BS about Chavez was just that. I told him about what I know about Chavez that he did not know. He thought that Chavez was a commie and bad for his country(the usual BS). I told him how Chavez had done many good things for his country and the Republican press has painted him a bad picture. Obrador is a man of the people and I hope he prevales. I hope that Mexico can have the democracy they should have and not one like here in the EEUU(Estadoe Unidos-USA.
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Posted by: JDMB on Aug 3, 2006 5:29 PM
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In a hyperbolic editorial on July 30 … the Washington Post accused López Obrador, … of taking "a lesson from Joseph Stalin": Actually, it was AMLO (or at least his party, PRD) that quoted Stalin (and Wikipedia, curiously) in its 800-plus page complaint lodged before TRIFE, where, incidentally, they never ask for a full recount: that has been handled exclusively in the media, never in the formal petition before TRIFE (although they did present arguments for the annulment of the election, which they have publicly stated they do not seek: then why present arguments for something you don’t want?).
The Fox administration also ran public service announcements touting government programs and services and promoting the vote. In the interests of fairness and balance ( :D ) you should have pointed out that all governments do the same in Mexico: indeed, some of the allegations in this regard concern not only the federal government but state governments as well ((PAN & PRI, of course, never PRD). The Mexico City (PRD) government did the same, and continues to this date, with huge banners hanging from government buildings in support of AMLO during the election and now during the recount effort. And when AMLO “suggested” (“What do you say, shall we stay here until we get the recount? All those in favor raise your hands. Those opposed raise your hands. Motion carried.” I wouldn’t raise my hand in objection in that crowd) taking over the Zócalo and blocking the main thoroughfares of the city (which is something he said he would not do, and is in direct violation of an edict AMLO personally put into place while mayor of Mexico City: look up Bando 13 forbidding setting up camps on city thoroughfares), the city’s PRD government refuses to enforce the law citing the protesters’ right to assembly and free speech. Isn’t the government supposed to enforce the laws for everyone, not just those with whom it agrees? But I digress…
López Obrador's campaign and hundreds of independent election observers documented several hundred cases of "old fashioned" election-day fraud in making their case for a recount. Actually, they haven’t presented any such proof: the lower courts in the TRIFE system are rejecting virtually all such claims because the proof just isn’t there. For instance, a video of “ballot-box stuffing” turned out to be the precinct president placing ballots for a different race (senator, congressman) that were incorrectly deposited in the presidential ballot-box – as required under law and with the consent of the party reps, including PRD’s. This incident led to said rep’s public disavowal of AMLO’s charges, which in turn led him to say that “some party reps sold out.” Talk about being loyal to your troops…
… there weren't enough independent and party observers to go around. In regions where one party was dominant, this created opportunities for vote shaving, ballot stuffing, lost ballots and other forms of fraud. Again: not documented at all. I believe a famous Greek philosopher summed it up nicely: “Woulda, coulda, shoulda.”
To be continued...
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Other elements of PRD's legal challenge include documentation of several ballot boxes found in dumps in the PRD stronghold of México City. This was investigated and turned out to be a red herring (or is it a Macguffin?), just like the ballot-box-stuffing video. They also point to evidence such as the nonpartisan Civic Alliance's report documenting 17 polling sites in PAN-dominated Nuevo León, Michoacán and Querétaro, where the number of votes cast vastly exceeded the number of registered voters at a site. This is more serious, and is one of the (few) legitimate questions raised being dealt with by TRIFE.
… But the cumulative evidence is damning in such a closely contested race. Again: What evidence? I’m not a lawyer (thank God), but it seems to me that there has to be an intention, a will to do something wrong for it to be fraud, otherwise it can be something as simple as human error due to lack of education, lack of training, unintentional transposition of numbers, writing the number in the wrong box, not pressing down hard enough on the carbon copy, etc.
In the weeks after the election, PRD observers again sounded the alarm as sealed ballot packets were being illegally opened at IFE district offices in several PAN-dominated regions. You might have mentioned that these packets were being opened at the request of PRD reps (PRD sure didn’t mention it; I wonder why?); and in any event, the ballots themselves were not touched (they’re sealed in a separate bag within the packet), only the tally sheets and other documentation was being withdrawn – at the request of PRD in most cases. The TRIFE ordered these offices to stop opening vote packets: to avoid malicious allegations of wrongdoing, because the procedures were legal and done with the knowledge of party officials.
To be continued again...
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Posted by: JDMB on Aug 3, 2006 5:34 PM
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I’m not a statistician, so I can’t comment on the work of López and Mochan. However, other statisticians have taken issue with their conclusions. And Mochan states that “…I understand that no booth was to receive more than 750 votes.” This is a mistake: special polling booths were set up all over the country for people who were traveling or otherwise out of their immediate city of residence, to vote for president only; all the parties unanimously agreed to have only 750 ballots available at these special booths, and it is well documented that they were grossly insufficient for the demand (and surely had some impact on the level of non-voting registered).
Whether it was human error or intentional vote shaving, in a tight election race, these examples gain heightened significance. Completely agree: but to imply by inference that there was fraud no matter what, you do a disservice to your readers.
None of these reports in and of themselves constitute a smoking gun. Again: the inference is that there was a smoking gun, it just hasn’t been found.
A poll released this week found that Mexicans, by a 20-point margin (48-28), want a vote-by-vote count. What about the other polls that show Mexicans believe by an even larger margin that the elections were clean and transparent? And that IFE did a good job despite the criticisms? And that AMLO’s support is dropping steadily? López Obrador has said he will call off protests when the Tribunal agrees to a recount and will honor its final decision. Actually, he has said he will honor the decision – provided it isn’t that Calderón won. Repeatedly.
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While Calderón has opposed a ballot-by-ballot recount, he has stated that he will abide by whatever the TRIFE decides, including recognizing AMLO as the winner if that is what the recount shows. AMLO has said just the opposite. And indeed, Calderón’s opposition is a political mistake: rather than insist that the votes have been counted and that he is the winner, he should just keep quiet and go along with whatever TRIFE decides. But AMLO is imploding: even La Jornada is starting to criticize his stance and actions. But in the end, you’re right: everybody must wait for TRIFE’s decision and abide by it. And when AMLO doesn’t, I’ll be back to say “I told you so.”
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Posted by: bettyn on Aug 3, 2006 6:01 PM
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Another thorn in Dumbya's side.
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Posted by: Juan2 on Aug 3, 2006 7:03 PM
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The real fraud started by people connected with the Brother in Law of a third class politician named Felipe Calderon back when he was one obscure Minister of Foxilandia. that Mr Zorry had filled that position because he had to have some one there. Something or some one gave that Brother in Law the Idea tht by stealing the documents of the IFE. (Institute of Federal Electors) which could have been sold to the USA Government and other takers at a fairly good price mainly to know who is in those Lists, that could have been of good use to the Secretary of State of the USA or other companies interested in knowing names and addresses of most mexican people.
In order to understand why a Third Class Politician has made it to be a contender in a presidential race you need to have a real method to pick a winner for it and since the favorite to succed Mr Zorro in keeping in Mexico the most perfect Dictatorship in the World.
Which was started back almost 8, decades ago, which started when a bunch of so called Revolurionaries they named a Political Party the PRI (Party Revolutionary Institutional) and within a few more years was eventually coming to be known as the PRIAN, under those names the dupped the poor people of Mexico for soo many years.
So knowing that the opossition was going to be strong from the PRD Mr. Zorro asked his wife to join efforts with another Dark Person in the mexican political arena, Elba Ester Gordillo a Former PRI Secretary and head of the Teaches Association one of the strongest groups that any politician would love to lead or to have in their side.
Maybe th efforts of Mr Zorro to have an strong succesor made him dump his former Peon and accept the named Candidate by the Governor of Jalisco a strong party hold for the PAN or maybe PRIAN so Calderon won the acceptance of the bunch of the potential larggest Fraudulent bunch of polititians in any voting poll in the World.
Having the List of all the people that could vote in the country and having the President of Instituto Federal Electoral which is a close friend of the Calderon Bunch they started to nominate Directors of the Voting Polls that were either personnel of the PAN, PRI or PRIAN and the new PANAL that Elba was the main person in charge.
Having also in their side most of the Governors of the PRI and PAN which also had chances to make good their usual customs of having Fraudulent Polls for soo many years that winning the 2006 Elections which hardly any body really has made any notice of how one soo powerfull document can make wonders and the document is the List of the Instituto Federal Electoral that The Director of the IFE Knew that is was stolen and sold in the uSA and never dis any thing about it or went after any one because he knew of its future use?.
But to put the Cherry on the cake the reazon for the alliance of those two named Ladies martita and Elbita was to brake the one time strong party the PRIAN and to end usinf its 5 letters that standed for Partido Republicano Institucional Accion Nacional and now because their involvement on both of their former Parties they will use a name for each ans since the PAN with Mr. Zorro was in Power the new name of their Party was going to brak Off of the PRI nd wwill be known exclusivly as the PAN. and since Elbita was trouwn out of the Bank Account that with the name of the Former party name those Ladies were going to rename the other Party and usung the Sixth letter for the Party they changed the firts letter of the party and putting it on the last to be known henceforth as the RIP Party.
What ever s going to happen with the Presidential election Some one should have thought of this obscure piece of widly known information the Stealing of the List of the IFE by Hildebrando????
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Posted by: vescalant on Aug 4, 2006 5:17 PM
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Alternet coverage of the Mexican election has been tainted with inaccuracies, and more importantly, with a total lack of understanding of how the political and economic system works in modern day capitalism. Inaccuracies in reporting are common in the main stream media, but the lack of understanding seems a unique trait of the left these days. At least of the new left.
To mention a few inaccuracies, the PREP did not relied a sample of results as Chuck Collins "reports". The IFE was supposed to give a statistical projection of results on election night, Sunday July 2, from a sample of polling stations as had been done in the past. Exit polls were conducted, but IFE was supposed to report a projection of results from the actual tally sheets of selected stations. This time, however, IFE chose not to report the results because the difference between the leading candidates was too small. The PREP was a second attempt to announce the results to the public. The PREP was supposed to give a near-total tally during the next day after the election by using a computer network connected to main servers at the National University of Mexico. It did so and those results were supposed to be highly reliable because the data came from almost all the tally sheets. The right wind candidate came some 400,000 votes ahead of AMLO in the PREP. Doubts arose when it was know that many tally sheets had not been counted because of "inconsistencies" in them. When they were counted the difference in votes became 200,000 plus votes. The actual count of the tally sheets began on Wednesday at IFE district offices around the country. TV stations had continuous coverage and reported the results as IFE officers read and counted the tally sheets. The law does not allow to recount the ballots except in a few cases. The final tally reproduced the PREP results to a great extend and Calderón celebrated victory at 4 AM on Thursday when the tally sheet count was nearing completion. In his victory speech on TV Calderón said that the count had been purposedly devised in such a way that tally sheets from the state of Guanajuato, were he had won by a large margin, were to be counted last. That way he had lagged behind López Obrador all day, but came ahead of him in the early morning and stayed ahead until the end of the count on Thursday afternoon.
After all this it is clear that a well mounted charade has taken place. To find a fraud, if there was one, is going to be next to impossible. It is obvious that the whole system is against a victory of the left in Mexico. Past reports of annulled governor's elections in Tabasco and Colima don't mean much because those elections were won by the right in the end. In Colima in 2003 the Federal Tribunal annulled an election that had been won by PRI candidate Vázquez Montes because of interference of the governor in office. What nobody says, and that includes Altenert, is that the Tribunal called for a new election that was won again by Vázquez Montes . Simlar story for Tabasco. We have yet to see a ruling by the Tribunal that actually leads to a victory by the left. What Alternet editorialists don't want to understand is that the system is designed to keep the left out of real power in Mexico. Whether the fraud was in the PREP computer system or in the manual count of the votes (there are no voting machines in Mexico, thank God), not to say of the dirty smear campaign by the right against López Obrador, is irrelevant here, and my guess is whatever the outcome, recount or not, the left won't be allowed to rule Mexico, least a revolution takes place.
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This will happen at 10:00am Central Time. It will be televised in the judicial channel in cable.
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http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/366854.html
With an average of often 200+ votes per polling stations, this could represent over 2.5 million votes out of a total vote of 42 million.
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"it is not who votes that matters, it is he who counts the votes"
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On the same date and place where the military parade (1) of September the 16th must take place, AMLO (2) will head a "National Democratic Convention". He will attempt to prevent the designation of the presidential election winner.
And on "la noche del grito" (3) at the Zocalo he will, right there, host a popular celebration. Sheer defiance. What a shame: he has proved us right all along.
1- The 16th of september marks the anniversary of Mexico's Independence (1810), contrary to popular belief in the U.S.'s celebration of 5 de Mayo.
2- AMLO (Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, for the uninitiated) the losing candidate.
3- "La noche del grito" "The night of the cry (of freedom)". A popular celebration held on the night of September the 15th to conmemorate the onset of the war of independence, hosted by the President in turn at Mexico City's central square "El Zocalo". The President opens the ceremonies by ringing the historic liberty bell that Father Hidalgo once rang to rouse the people. Then he gives the "El Grito," shouting, "Viva Mexico!" The crowd echoes back.
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Posted by: JDMB on Aug 14, 2006 10:43 AM
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Precisely. I find it somewhat distressing that so many take him on face value without looking deeper into his character, his past actions... No one is perfect, but there are some who are less imperfect than others. Still, Alternet is to be commended for bringing these issues to the attention of its readers, focusing on Latin America (like today's article by J. Holland on Hugo Chavez for instance) when the rest of the media don't even care.
(And thank you for your kind words in your other post!)
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Posted by: HeroesAll on Aug 2, 2006 2:32 AM
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Because it's well known that Stalin's most feared tactic was the street protest. And a manual recount of votes, as we all know, is contrary to all democratic principles, and will undoubtedly destroy Civilisation As We Know It (hereinafter referred to as CAWKI).
Ptchah. WaPo is such a handmaiden of the right (and I'm using the very genteel term here, not the one that springs to mind). I'm just waiting for one of the doofus posters here to do the usual whining about the 'left wing media'.
Very nice work again, Josh and Chuck. Looking forward to more in this saga. It's going to be a long-running one, I can tell. Like Days of Our Lives.
Actually, on further thought, a recount probably would destroy CAWKI. Remember 2000? Who did, and who didn't, want a recount? Can't let that sort of thing catch on, you know.
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Posted by: shangrilalad on Aug 2, 2006 4:06 AM
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Strange how the plutocracy in the U.S. always supports the plutocracy in other countries. Both the Washington Post and New York Times are owned by multimillionaires which I think includes them in our plutocracy.
Even after all the Republican tax cuts they’ve received, our billionaires are reportedly still cheating on the taxes. How much money do they need to satisfy them? I have a theory that goes like this: Some rich people act as if they think they can bribe death if they have enough money. It works with politicians, so maybe it will work with the Grim Reaper.
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Posted by: jules_siegel on Aug 2, 2006 4:32 AM
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The argument about the higher vote count in the voting stations without PRD observers raises the question why the PRD would expect a lot of votes in areas in which it couldn't even come up with poll watchers.
The statistical arguments are highly speculative, at best. Using the PREP is considered poor statistical practice. That's why López Obrador got off the cyberfraud charges right away and, in fact, explicitly denied any claims of cyberfraud. He then reversed himself a day later. I checked with R. Mansilla, who did the Benford's Law study on the PREP results and he admitted that he could not say if the variations he saw were statitistically significant -- a minor point, I'm sure.
Vote buying or providing social services?
Vote buying is an old story that has never been proven to have any effect on how people actually vote. It was raised during the 2000 election, but an opinion study at the time clearly demonstrated that even if true (dubious in most cases) it was not in any way a significant factor.
A survey carried out in May, 2000, by the nonprofit watchdog group Alianza Cívica (reported by Mexico Solidarity Network, Weekly News Summary May 22-31 2000) suggested that of the 24% of the Mexican population which receives federal welfare aid of some sort, 11% feel obligated to vote for a particular party (in most cases, the PRI) in return for their aid. In the countryside the figure rises to 14%, and is 18% among those Mexicans living in extreme poverty. The story also reported that the opposition in Guerrero (if I remember correctly), then a PRI stronghold, admitted it was unable to come up with any concrete examples of vote-buying.
Assuming that the survey is properly constructed (a very big assumption) what it is really saying is that 89% don't feel obligated. Of those who do feel obligated, not all will vote for the PRI. Then there is the semantic question of what "obligated" means. How would this change if the question were phrased differently? Gratitude? Loyalty? Finally, how many votes does this all add up to? At the most, a part of 11% of those receiving the benefits?
This is an area in which you should be especially wary. Vote buying is usually a neo-Liberal code word for providing desperately needed public assistance and social services. Hugo Chávez is routinely accused of vote buying, isn't he? That would include setting up free medical clinics all over Venezuela, I guess, staffed by Cuban doctors.
Criminal fraud
The area you should look into is criminal fraud, which would be handled by the Fedape, the Federal District Attorney for Election Crime. Is the PRD pressing any charges of criminal voter fraud? If so, what are they?
Their web page is at http://www.pgr.gob.mx/fepade/fepade/ANTECEDENTES.htm
Email: fepadenet@pgr.gob.mx and fiscalenlinea@pgr.gob.net
At http://www.pgr.gob.mx/fepade/directorio/mapa.asp you will find a directory of contacts with telephone and fax numbers.
The top person is María de los Ángeles Fromow Rangel. Her phone number is (0155) 5346-3101 in Mexico.
I'll be very interested to learn what you find out. I am in the middle of a huge and very demanding project on a very tight deadline. Otherwise, I'd do this myself. Good luck to you.
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Posted by: Liberalandproudofit on Aug 2, 2006 4:49 AM
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ALL the certification and testing in the world is useless if a person managed to get physical access to the machine. And cities and counties are asking for "voluteers" to move the machines.
Sounds like herr Bush and company are already planning to rig the election
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Yes, I expect that computer voting needs more safeguards. But sometimes tea leaf readers do a better job than number technicians.
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Posted by: aemulus on Aug 2, 2006 10:31 AM
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Which one would you believe most?
a)A candidate able to speak to bankers, middle class, CEO´s, but not identified with low-income mexicans ; or
b) a candidate that speaks directly to the people ("el pueblo"), and likes to send malicious messages to bankers, commerce and industrial associations and even the president.
And seeing this in a different perspective, a peer told me, "if there is a fraud, involving IFE, international observers, civilians, media, and some organizations (almost a million and a half people)...and if there is a person leading it , that is the person we need to lead the country"
It is all about beliefs and credibility...
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Posted by: Patrick_Ross on Aug 2, 2006 10:35 AM
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This tends to go hand-in-hand with a government that, in many respects, follows the populist tendency to listen to the people. It's considered that people marching in the streets are a breath away from a civilian coup d'etat.
The recount will happen. Whether or not any of the candidates in this election are fit to lead is another question entirely.
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Posted by: starvinmarvy on Aug 2, 2006 11:26 AM
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they`re still gonna die.Fact is....they`ll see after their last breath how they`ve done so many wrong!!Fact is...after that last breath and they review that life that they once thought of
as "brillant maneuvers and HARD WORK"...as now a "pathetic,
rueful,...SAD waste of a lifetime. Until these so called "human beings" that hold the wealth of this planet in their hands.......
finally realize that its so much more important to help your fellow man ....than to build personal wealth and power....we will all continue to do ....and die....whatever and whenever they want. And that includes the so called leaders of this country!
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Posted by: jreinhart1 on Aug 2, 2006 11:30 AM
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Posted by: krose on Aug 2, 2006 6:43 PM
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WE MUST TAKE TO THE STREETS, LIKE THEY DID IN THE UKRAINE, AND IN MEXICO!
IT IS THE ONLY ANSWER TO TAKING OUR COUNTRY BACK FROM THE CROOKS, LIARS, AND THIEVES WHO HAVE IT NOW!
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Posted by: Mex on Aug 2, 2006 6:53 PM
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There is only one important newspaper (La Jornada, not "La Journada") who claims that there was a fraud and this newspaper is very well know to be very attached to the PRD party and his candidate.
About the international observers, non of them found any evidence or indication of fraud before or during the election and Chuck Collins' article doesn't give any sustainable evidence of a "fraud", he even write that non of the reports that he has quoted "constitute a smoking gun".
Is very valid to demand a recount, but that decision doesn't belong to the candidates, belongs to the electoral court, 'El TRIFE', according to the electoral law (approved even by the PRD).
Comparing this election with the fraud of 1988, or with the USA election of 2000, is a BIG disproportion. The electoral system right now is much better than the one in 1988 and even better than the USA. By the way, one of the Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) supporters, Manuel Barlett (from the PRI party) among others, were one of the arquitecs of the 1988 election fraud against Cuauhtémoc Cárdenas linked text
Now, does AMLO represent the real left in México, I don't think so. He represente the old PRI with a democrat custom or, if you want, that "exotic populism" that some progressive people in the USA love, but damage the economy and the institutions of a country.
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Posted by: xbj on Aug 2, 2006 9:02 PM
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Perhaps there is hope after all, without China and Russia having to nuke the US off the face of the planet.
Time WILL tell.
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Posted by: AnaB on Aug 2, 2006 9:48 PM
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One can only interpret Fox naming him interim president as another effort to bribe a powerful figure withing the PRD party. And, its a well known fact that Cardenas is open for business.
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Posted by: El_Cid on Aug 3, 2006 5:35 AM
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In a paper prepared for 23rd Annual Summer Meeting of the Society for Political Methodology, July 20-22, 2006 (available as a PDF for download HERE) he studies election results from Florida in 2004 and from Mexico in 2006.
He employs a statistical analysis based on Benford's law, which has to do with the observation that in looking to large samples (such as voting or census data), there is actually a predictable distribution of how often the digits (i.e., 0-9) should appear in a certain position (in Mebane's analysis, the 2nd digit from the left), and that if the digits appear to skew very far from the expected distribution, then there may be a problem, such as errors or some type of fraud ('fraud' may include cases in which data is made up or manipulated for other reasons than aiming at a desired result, i.e., no one ever originally gathered the data and they're making it up).
In this paper I study a statistical method intended to help detect election fraud. Other methods, using regression- based techniques for outlier detection, have previously been proposed to help detect election anomalies... The method described here is distinctive in that it does not require that we have covariates to which we may reasonably assume the votes are related across political jurisdictions. The method is based on tests of the distribution of the digits in reported vote counts, so all that is needed are the vote counts themselves. Being based on so little information, the method cannot in itself diagnose whether an anomaly it may flag is a consequence of fraud or of some other kind of irregularity. But, as I show, some patterns of fraud will cause the method to trigger. So the method is best understood as an indicator for places where investigations that use other kinds of information -- for instance, audits of election administration records and manual ballot recounts -- might best be targeted.
He concludes that there is enough departure from the expected model at his level of analysis to warrant a manual recount, whether of a sample or, of course, a complete recount.
The 2BL {2nd digit Benford's Law} test results for secciones certainly suggest there are problems with the 2006 presidential vote counts in many Mexican states, although probably not in most of them. More refined analysis is needed to reach sharper conclusions, but the general impression is that more intensive investigation of the election results is in order. That might include doing a manual recount of many -- perhaps all -- of the individual ballots. A cost efficient method may be to begin by recounting a random sample of the ballots -- all the ballots in a sample of secciones -- where the probability that a seccion is selected for recounting is greater in places where the 2BL test results are worse. For such an exercise it may be reasonable to conduct 2BL tests for secciones collected into sets that correspond to the legislative districts they are part of, with sampling for purposes of initial recounting done at the level of districts. Perhaps a two-stage sampling plan could be used, with districts selected at the first stage (weighted by the 2BL test results) and secciones within each district selected at the second stage. If such an initial sampling did identify problems with the vote tabulations, then the case for a comprehensive manual recount would become extremely strong.
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Posted by: harvsss on Aug 3, 2006 11:19 AM
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He also told me that Obrador was too far to the left and he did not vote for him.
See the propaganda machine works just fine in Mexico too. He voted aginst his own best intrest. Somehow(the media), he had been convinced that Obrador was just like the commie Chaves. I explained to him that all the BS about Chavez was just that. I told him about what I know about Chavez that he did not know. He thought that Chavez was a commie and bad for his country(the usual BS). I told him how Chavez had done many good things for his country and the Republican press has painted him a bad picture. Obrador is a man of the people and I hope he prevales. I hope that Mexico can have the democracy they should have and not one like here in the EEUU(Estadoe Unidos-USA.
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Posted by: JDMB on Aug 3, 2006 5:29 PM
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In a hyperbolic editorial on July 30 … the Washington Post accused López Obrador, … of taking "a lesson from Joseph Stalin": Actually, it was AMLO (or at least his party, PRD) that quoted Stalin (and Wikipedia, curiously) in its 800-plus page complaint lodged before TRIFE, where, incidentally, they never ask for a full recount: that has been handled exclusively in the media, never in the formal petition before TRIFE (although they did present arguments for the annulment of the election, which they have publicly stated they do not seek: then why present arguments for something you don’t want?).
The Fox administration also ran public service announcements touting government programs and services and promoting the vote. In the interests of fairness and balance ( :D ) you should have pointed out that all governments do the same in Mexico: indeed, some of the allegations in this regard concern not only the federal government but state governments as well ((PAN & PRI, of course, never PRD). The Mexico City (PRD) government did the same, and continues to this date, with huge banners hanging from government buildings in support of AMLO during the election and now during the recount effort. And when AMLO “suggested” (“What do you say, shall we stay here until we get the recount? All those in favor raise your hands. Those opposed raise your hands. Motion carried.” I wouldn’t raise my hand in objection in that crowd) taking over the Zócalo and blocking the main thoroughfares of the city (which is something he said he would not do, and is in direct violation of an edict AMLO personally put into place while mayor of Mexico City: look up Bando 13 forbidding setting up camps on city thoroughfares), the city’s PRD government refuses to enforce the law citing the protesters’ right to assembly and free speech. Isn’t the government supposed to enforce the laws for everyone, not just those with whom it agrees? But I digress…
López Obrador's campaign and hundreds of independent election observers documented several hundred cases of "old fashioned" election-day fraud in making their case for a recount. Actually, they haven’t presented any such proof: the lower courts in the TRIFE system are rejecting virtually all such claims because the proof just isn’t there. For instance, a video of “ballot-box stuffing” turned out to be the precinct president placing ballots for a different race (senator, congressman) that were incorrectly deposited in the presidential ballot-box – as required under law and with the consent of the party reps, including PRD’s. This incident led to said rep’s public disavowal of AMLO’s charges, which in turn led him to say that “some party reps sold out.” Talk about being loyal to your troops…
… there weren't enough independent and party observers to go around. In regions where one party was dominant, this created opportunities for vote shaving, ballot stuffing, lost ballots and other forms of fraud. Again: not documented at all. I believe a famous Greek philosopher summed it up nicely: “Woulda, coulda, shoulda.”
To be continued...
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Other elements of PRD's legal challenge include documentation of several ballot boxes found in dumps in the PRD stronghold of México City. This was investigated and turned out to be a red herring (or is it a Macguffin?), just like the ballot-box-stuffing video. They also point to evidence such as the nonpartisan Civic Alliance's report documenting 17 polling sites in PAN-dominated Nuevo León, Michoacán and Querétaro, where the number of votes cast vastly exceeded the number of registered voters at a site. This is more serious, and is one of the (few) legitimate questions raised being dealt with by TRIFE.
… But the cumulative evidence is damning in such a closely contested race. Again: What evidence? I’m not a lawyer (thank God), but it seems to me that there has to be an intention, a will to do something wrong for it to be fraud, otherwise it can be something as simple as human error due to lack of education, lack of training, unintentional transposition of numbers, writing the number in the wrong box, not pressing down hard enough on the carbon copy, etc.
In the weeks after the election, PRD observers again sounded the alarm as sealed ballot packets were being illegally opened at IFE district offices in several PAN-dominated regions. You might have mentioned that these packets were being opened at the request of PRD reps (PRD sure didn’t mention it; I wonder why?); and in any event, the ballots themselves were not touched (they’re sealed in a separate bag within the packet), only the tally sheets and other documentation was being withdrawn – at the request of PRD in most cases. The TRIFE ordered these offices to stop opening vote packets: to avoid malicious allegations of wrongdoing, because the procedures were legal and done with the knowledge of party officials.
To be continued again...
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I’m not a statistician, so I can’t comment on the work of López and Mochan. However, other statisticians have taken issue with their conclusions. And Mochan states that “…I understand that no booth was to receive more than 750 votes.” This is a mistake: special polling booths were set up all over the country for people who were traveling or otherwise out of their immediate city of residence, to vote for president only; all the parties unanimously agreed to have only 750 ballots available at these special booths, and it is well documented that they were grossly insufficient for the demand (and surely had some impact on the level of non-voting registered).
Whether it was human error or intentional vote shaving, in a tight election race, these examples gain heightened significance. Completely agree: but to imply by inference that there was fraud no matter what, you do a disservice to your readers.
None of these reports in and of themselves constitute a smoking gun. Again: the inference is that there was a smoking gun, it just hasn’t been found.
A poll released this week found that Mexicans, by a 20-point margin (48-28), want a vote-by-vote count. What about the other polls that show Mexicans believe by an even larger margin that the elections were clean and transparent? And that IFE did a good job despite the criticisms? And that AMLO’s support is dropping steadily? López Obrador has said he will call off protests when the Tribunal agrees to a recount and will honor its final decision. Actually, he has said he will honor the decision – provided it isn’t that Calderón won. Repeatedly.
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While Calderón has opposed a ballot-by-ballot recount, he has stated that he will abide by whatever the TRIFE decides, including recognizing AMLO as the winner if that is what the recount shows. AMLO has said just the opposite. And indeed, Calderón’s opposition is a political mistake: rather than insist that the votes have been counted and that he is the winner, he should just keep quiet and go along with whatever TRIFE decides. But AMLO is imploding: even La Jornada is starting to criticize his stance and actions. But in the end, you’re right: everybody must wait for TRIFE’s decision and abide by it. And when AMLO doesn’t, I’ll be back to say “I told you so.”
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Posted by: bettyn on Aug 3, 2006 6:01 PM
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Another thorn in Dumbya's side.
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Posted by: Juan2 on Aug 3, 2006 7:03 PM
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The real fraud started by people connected with the Brother in Law of a third class politician named Felipe Calderon back when he was one obscure Minister of Foxilandia. that Mr Zorry had filled that position because he had to have some one there. Something or some one gave that Brother in Law the Idea tht by stealing the documents of the IFE. (Institute of Federal Electors) which could have been sold to the USA Government and other takers at a fairly good price mainly to know who is in those Lists, that could have been of good use to the Secretary of State of the USA or other companies interested in knowing names and addresses of most mexican people.
In order to understand why a Third Class Politician has made it to be a contender in a presidential race you need to have a real method to pick a winner for it and since the favorite to succed Mr Zorro in keeping in Mexico the most perfect Dictatorship in the World.
Which was started back almost 8, decades ago, which started when a bunch of so called Revolurionaries they named a Political Party the PRI (Party Revolutionary Institutional) and within a few more years was eventually coming to be known as the PRIAN, under those names the dupped the poor people of Mexico for soo many years.
So knowing that the opossition was going to be strong from the PRD Mr. Zorro asked his wife to join efforts with another Dark Person in the mexican political arena, Elba Ester Gordillo a Former PRI Secretary and head of the Teaches Association one of the strongest groups that any politician would love to lead or to have in their side.
Maybe th efforts of Mr Zorro to have an strong succesor made him dump his former Peon and accept the named Candidate by the Governor of Jalisco a strong party hold for the PAN or maybe PRIAN so Calderon won the acceptance of the bunch of the potential larggest Fraudulent bunch of polititians in any voting poll in the World.
Having the List of all the people that could vote in the country and having the President of Instituto Federal Electoral which is a close friend of the Calderon Bunch they started to nominate Directors of the Voting Polls that were either personnel of the PAN, PRI or PRIAN and the new PANAL that Elba was the main person in charge.
Having also in their side most of the Governors of the PRI and PAN which also had chances to make good their usual customs of having Fraudulent Polls for soo many years that winning the 2006 Elections which hardly any body really has made any notice of how one soo powerfull document can make wonders and the document is the List of the Instituto Federal Electoral that The Director of the IFE Knew that is was stolen and sold in the uSA and never dis any thing about it or went after any one because he knew of its future use?.
But to put the Cherry on the cake the reazon for the alliance of those two named Ladies martita and Elbita was to brake the one time strong party the PRIAN and to end usinf its 5 letters that standed for Partido Republicano Institucional Accion Nacional and now because their involvement on both of their former Parties they will use a name for each ans since the PAN with Mr. Zorro was in Power the new name of their Party was going to brak Off of the PRI nd wwill be known exclusivly as the PAN. and since Elbita was trouwn out of the Bank Account that with the name of the Former party name those Ladies were going to rename the other Party and usung the Sixth letter for the Party they changed the firts letter of the party and putting it on the last to be known henceforth as the RIP Party.
What ever s going to happen with the Presidential election Some one should have thought of this obscure piece of widly known information the Stealing of the List of the IFE by Hildebrando????
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Posted by: vescalant on Aug 4, 2006 5:17 PM
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Alternet coverage of the Mexican election has been tainted with inaccuracies, and more importantly, with a total lack of understanding of how the political and economic system works in modern day capitalism. Inaccuracies in reporting are common in the main stream media, but the lack of understanding seems a unique trait of the left these days. At least of the new left.
To mention a few inaccuracies, the PREP did not relied a sample of results as Chuck Collins "reports". The IFE was supposed to give a statistical projection of results on election night, Sunday July 2, from a sample of polling stations as had been done in the past. Exit polls were conducted, but IFE was supposed to report a projection of results from the actual tally sheets of selected stations. This time, however, IFE chose not to report the results because the difference between the leading candidates was too small. The PREP was a second attempt to announce the results to the public. The PREP was supposed to give a near-total tally during the next day after the election by using a computer network connected to main servers at the National University of Mexico. It did so and those results were supposed to be highly reliable because the data came from almost all the tally sheets. The right wind candidate came some 400,000 votes ahead of AMLO in the PREP. Doubts arose when it was know that many tally sheets had not been counted because of "inconsistencies" in them. When they were counted the difference in votes became 200,000 plus votes. The actual count of the tally sheets began on Wednesday at IFE district offices around the country. TV stations had continuous coverage and reported the results as IFE officers read and counted the tally sheets. The law does not allow to recount the ballots except in a few cases. The final tally reproduced the PREP results to a great extend and Calderón celebrated victory at 4 AM on Thursday when the tally sheet count was nearing completion. In his victory speech on TV Calderón said that the count had been purposedly devised in such a way that tally sheets from the state of Guanajuato, were he had won by a large margin, were to be counted last. That way he had lagged behind López Obrador all day, but came ahead of him in the early morning and stayed ahead until the end of the count on Thursday afternoon.
After all this it is clear that a well mounted charade has taken place. To find a fraud, if there was one, is going to be next to impossible. It is obvious that the whole system is against a victory of the left in Mexico. Past reports of annulled governor's elections in Tabasco and Colima don't mean much because those elections were won by the right in the end. In Colima in 2003 the Federal Tribunal annulled an election that had been won by PRI candidate Vázquez Montes because of interference of the governor in office. What nobody says, and that includes Altenert, is that the Tribunal called for a new election that was won again by Vázquez Montes . Simlar story for Tabasco. We have yet to see a ruling by the Tribunal that actually leads to a victory by the left. What Alternet editorialists don't want to understand is that the system is designed to keep the left out of real power in Mexico. Whether the fraud was in the PREP computer system or in the manual count of the votes (there are no voting machines in Mexico, thank God), not to say of the dirty smear campaign by the right against López Obrador, is irrelevant here, and my guess is whatever the outcome, recount or not, the left won't be allowed to rule Mexico, least a revolution takes place.
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Posted by: ivansg on Aug 4, 2006 8:41 PM
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This will happen at 10:00am Central Time. It will be televised in the judicial channel in cable.
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http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/366854.html
With an average of often 200+ votes per polling stations, this could represent over 2.5 million votes out of a total vote of 42 million.
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Posted by: sofla100 on Aug 5, 2006 9:22 PM
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"it is not who votes that matters, it is he who counts the votes"
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Posted by: Ray S on Aug 7, 2006 8:08 PM
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» RE: Ballots, We Don't Need No Stinkin' Ballots!
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Posted by: Jane Doe on Aug 14, 2006 12:11 AM
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On the same date and place where the military parade (1) of September the 16th must take place, AMLO (2) will head a "National Democratic Convention". He will attempt to prevent the designation of the presidential election winner.
And on "la noche del grito" (3) at the Zocalo he will, right there, host a popular celebration. Sheer defiance. What a shame: he has proved us right all along.
1- The 16th of september marks the anniversary of Mexico's Independence (1810), contrary to popular belief in the U.S.'s celebration of 5 de Mayo.
2- AMLO (Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, for the uninitiated) the losing candidate.
3- "La noche del grito" "The night of the cry (of freedom)". A popular celebration held on the night of September the 15th to conmemorate the onset of the war of independence, hosted by the President in turn at Mexico City's central square "El Zocalo". The President opens the ceremonies by ringing the historic liberty bell that Father Hidalgo once rang to rouse the people. Then he gives the "El Grito," shouting, "Viva Mexico!" The crowd echoes back.
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Posted by: JDMB on Aug 14, 2006 10:43 AM
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Precisely. I find it somewhat distressing that so many take him on face value without looking deeper into his character, his past actions... No one is perfect, but there are some who are less imperfect than others. Still, Alternet is to be commended for bringing these issues to the attention of its readers, focusing on Latin America (like today's article by J. Holland on Hugo Chavez for instance) when the rest of the media don't even care.
(And thank you for your kind words in your other post!)
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