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Lobbying for Armageddon

By Sarah Posner, AlterNet. Posted August 3, 2006.


Some influential evangelical leaders are lobbying for an attack on Iran. But it's not about geopolitics -- it's about bringing about the End Times.
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In a perfect world, a reporter at last week's press conference with George Bush and Tony Blair would have asked Bush, in the presence of his principal European ally, if he believes the European Union is the Antichrist.

Although it sounds like the kind of Pat Robertson lunacy that makes even the wingnuts run for the nearest exit, it's a question Bush should be forced to answer. Bush and other leading Republicans have lined up behind a growing movement of Christian Zionists for whom a European Antichrist figures prominently in an end-times scenario. So they should be forced to explain to the rest of us why they're courting the votes of people who believe our allies are evil incarnate. Could it be that the central requirement for their breathlessly anticipated Armageddon -- that the United States confront Iran -- happens to dovetail so nicely with the neoconservative war agenda?

At the center of it all is Pastor John Hagee, a popular televangelist who leads the 18,000-member Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas. While Hagee has long prophesized about the end times, he ratcheted up his rhetoric this year with the publication of his book, "Jerusalem Countdown," in which he argues that a confrontation with Iran is a necessary precondition for Armageddon and the Second Coming of Christ. In the best-selling book, Hagee insists that the United States must join Israel in a preemptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God's plan for both Israel and the West. Shortly after the book's publication, he launched Christians United for Israel (CUFI), which, as the Christian version of the powerful American Israel Public Affairs Committee, he said would cause "a political earthquake."

At CUFI's kick-off banquet at the Washington Hilton, attended by over 3,500 members, Republican support for both Hagee's effort and his drumbeat for war with Iran were on full view. Republican National Committee Chair Ken Mehlman told the group that "no regime is more central to the global jihad" than Iran. Just two days before, Newt Gingrich and John McCain made the rounds of the Sunday talk shows to sound the same message, leading Benny Elon, a member of the Israeli Knesset, to comment to the Jerusalem Post that their remarks originated with Hagee. Rick Santorum and Sam Brownback also addressed the group, and Bush sent words of support to the gathering. Republicans, and even some Democrats, spoke at CUFI events to show their "support for Israel." But while public and media attention was on the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah, Hagee's focus continued to be on Iran.

While the crisis at the Israel-Lebanon border drew more mainstream media attention to CUFI's activities, Hagee's supporters have long known that leading Republicans are listening. Rabbi Daniel Lapin, a prominent Jewish ally of the evangelical right (and friend of Jack Abramoff) has said that Hagee "without question, yes, absolutely" has the ear of the White House. Hagee's annual Night to Honor Israel at his church has drawn prominent Republicans, including Tom DeLay, who was the keynote speaker in 2002.

Although Republicans would never admit it -- they claim their support for Christian Zionists like Hagee is based on their own support for Israel -- it is clear that they know they need the votes of this constituency to win. In the same way that Karl Rove courted conservative evangelicals in 2004 by appealing to their homophobia, Republican campaign rhetoric for 2006 and 2008 has already shown signs of playing to voters who have been hearing hype for a war with Iran for months -- at church.

While Washington insiders wonder what it means when Republicans like Mehlman and presidential aspirants Gingrich and McCain finger Iran as the central player in an epic clash of civilizations, Hagee already has spent months mobilizing the shock troops in support of another war. As diplomats, experts and pundits debate how many years Iran will need to develop a viable nuclear weapon, Hagee says the mullahs already possess the means to destroy Israel and America. And although Bush insists that diplomatic options are still on the table, Hagee has dismissed pussyfooting diplomacy and primed his followers for a conflagration.

Hagee wields "a very large megaphone" that reaches "a very large group of people," said Rabbi James Rudin of the American Jewish Committee, who has studied the Christian right for 30 years. With CUFI, the pastor has exponentially expanded the reach of his megaphone beyond his television audience. Thanks to the viral marketing made possible by the hundreds of evangelical leaders who have signed on to his new organization, his warmongering has rippled through megachurches across America for months. Hagee calls pastors "the spiritual generals of America," an appropriate phrase given his reliance on them to rally their troops behind his message.

The CUFI board of directors includes the Rev. Jerry Falwell, former Republican presidential candidate and religious right activist Gary Bauer, and George Morrison, pastor of the 8,000-member Faith Bible Chapel in Arvada, Colo., and chairman of the board of Promise Keepers. Rod Parsley, the Ohio televangelist who is rapidly becoming a major political player in the Christian right, signed on to be a regional director.


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Sarah Posner has covered the religious right for The American Prospect, The Gadflyer, and AlterNet. This article is adapted from "Pastor Strangelove," which appeared in the June 2006 issue of The American Prospect.

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They're businessmen, not religious believers
Posted by: nbrown on Aug 3, 2006 12:21 AM   
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Pat Robertson is a millionaire. He's a businessman, not a relgious follower.

He has a tangible incentive in supporting violence against Iranians. The more hatred Christians feel against Iranians and Muslims in general, the more power Robertson gains as a figure in the Christian biz. Apart from his diamond mines and other ventures, his Christian-related stuff is worth a lot of money.

» WEALTH IS GOD'S GIFT TO PROPHETS Posted by: Jesse Cristo
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» RE: GOD'S GIFT OF WEALTH Posted by: DCostello
» RE: GOD'S GIFT OF WEALTH Posted by: sethmo
» RE: GOD'S GIFT OF WEALTH Posted by: paulaH
» RE: WEALTH IS GOD'S GIFT TO PROPHETS Posted by: Jesse Cristo
» RE: WEALTH IS GOD'S GIFT TO PROPHETS Posted by: famouspipeliner
» Stop feeding the trolls {nt} Posted by: axolotl_helix
Power of belief
Posted by: wrongone on Aug 3, 2006 12:41 AM   
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is a dangerous thing. Each one of us as humans surround ourselves with people and situations that fulfill our belief structures. If you are a religous person, your friends and peers tend to be just as religous. If you are a drunk, your friends and peers will be at the bars you frequent. The same can be said for all walks of life.
We need to decide as a species whether or not we want to allow those in charge to push us down the road towards armegeddon.
The book of Revelations points out the intricacies that our world unravels in order to allow the believers of it's faith everlasting salvation.
As such, people whom line up behind this belief structure yearn for the day that Armegeddon commences. If for no other reason than to validate there belief system.
Is validation in a belief system worth world destruction???
Reality is nothing more than a common agreement among all of us.
We can choose to kill ourselves for the benefit of a few, or we can agree on a different path.
I think it is a decision we all face right now.
I made my choice, and I hope enough of us do.
I refuse to allow our future to be dictated by the powerful few and their antiquated scripts of morality and salvation.
An eternity in hell is a fair price to pay, as long as this planet and it's inhabitants are spared the indignity of one faith's belief
in self destruction.

» RE: Power of belief Posted by: jreinhart1
» RE: Power of belief Posted by: Lauren
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» Danilys Posted by: wrongone
Left Turn
Posted by: ltobs on Aug 3, 2006 12:52 AM   
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Interesting on how this compares to pre WWI in England. Church leaders were huge advoacates of going to war based in part on thier own end times scenarios. Wh know how WWI ended.

» RE: Left Turn Posted by: Nigelthebriton
» my thoughts exactly Posted by: owleyes
» RE: Left Turn Posted by: Lauren
Self-fulfilling prophecy
Posted by: Moonray on Aug 3, 2006 1:43 AM   
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Ironically, the wingnuts lobbying for war against Iran could bring about the very holocaust they believe has been preordained.

It seems unlikely that a war against Iran can prevent that country from obtaining or developing a nuclear weapon. (The neocon war planners probably harbor fantasies about effecting a regime change, but to this layman that seems most unlikely.)

And a trumped-up war on Iran -- as dangerous and repulsive as that regime is -- would provide ample excuse for Muslim hard-liners everywhere to concentrate their nuclear ambitions on the U.S. and Israel. (Oddly, the neocons and Christian nutjobs seem unconcerned with the fact that Pakistan, another hard-line Islamic nation, has about 200 nukes and reportedly plans to build many more. Go figure.)

All this is yet another reason for the United Nations to begin a global campaign to limit the effects of religion on governments and societies. A good first step: Banning the indoctrination of children under 18 into any supernatural belief system.

» RE: Self-fulfilling prophecy Posted by: Snorom Larebil
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» RE: Self-fulfilling prophecy Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Self-fulfilling prophecy Posted by: cmaukonen
» "limiting" religion.... Posted by: ChrisBieber
» RE: "limiting" religion.... Posted by: cmaukonen
» RE: "limiting" religion.... Posted by: brunowe
» RE: "limiting" religion.... Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Self-fulfilling prophecy Posted by: pjpatten
» RE: Self-fulfilling prophecy Posted by: rinpochet
» RE: Self-fulfilling prophecy Posted by: pjpatten
» UNbelievable Posted by: Lloyd Drako
Christian crazies and Iranian's President actually agree on someting (kinda)
Posted by: Snorom Larebil on Aug 3, 2006 2:33 AM   
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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad thinks the end time is near, of course he subscribes to the Islamic version, which is actually similar.

He has even taken steps to prepare for the "promised one" who will "fill this world with justice and peace."

Great read!

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48225

» Are any facts in error? Posted by: Snorom Larebil
» Ahmadinejad Posted by: Lloyd Drako
» I don't hate anyone! Posted by: ignition
» Ahmedinejad is loony because Posted by: Lloyd Drako
What we have here is a recipe for disaster
Posted by: Lizmv on Aug 3, 2006 3:11 AM   
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A dry drunk of a president being advised by religious nutbars and supported by a codependant Congress. Throw in the Earth's largest stockpile of Weapons Of Mass Destruction and hand the button to the dry drunk president. Add to the blend a population suffering Post Tramatic Stress that has been numbed to the true threat of nuclear war. Whip until frenzied.

Hagee and the Jerusalem Post
Posted by: NoNut on Aug 3, 2006 3:35 AM   
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First, Hagee's opinion on the end times is a small minority amongst Protestant Christians, and the fringe of evangelical Protestant Christians.

Second, Hagee has numerous other theological problems. His weird theology bears its distorted fruit in his eschatology. His teaching is bearly Christian.

Third, didn't the Jerusalem Post recently put words in Robertson's mouth (no mean feat since Robertson's foot has taken up regular residence there of late) and then have to retract their statement? As a matter of fact, I believe Hagee was involved in that somehow also. They attributed to Robertson something Hagee said. Robertson denied it and Hagee backpeddled a bit. Perhaps not the most reliable rag when it comes to what evangelcials say.

Finally, the comment "who believe our allies are evil incarnate" is a misrepresentation of an incorrect doctrine. Hagee and others do not believe that Europe is the antichrist, rather that the Antichrist will rise from Europe, a reconstituted Roman Empire. They believe he will rise as a political leader and then assert himself as a false god. Given their own wrong doctrine, I don't understand how they believe they can trigger the end times through political means. Just weird.

» RE: Is Hagee REALLY fringe? Posted by: Jasonix
It'll never happen...
Posted by: adp3d on Aug 3, 2006 3:37 AM   
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...because only they will have the will to engage. The US military has been weaken beyond belief with the current conflict. The majority of the country and the world is war weary at best. Now, if these guys want to marshall themselves into a 700,000 strong army, I say more power to 'em, It will bring about the "End Times" for some of them at least.

» RE: It'll never happen... Posted by: Lizmv
easy it is
Posted by: rsaxto on Aug 3, 2006 3:44 AM   
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This piece shows how easy it is for some religious leaders to become insane and to lead their followers into insane activities. It also illuminates how close to insanity our Bushie leaders have become with their massive war crimes already commited and with their projected massive increases in war crimes. Maybe it's God's way of reducing our overpopulation which is leading us toward environmental armageddon.

» RE: easy it is Posted by: rhinojos
» Damn! Posted by: famouspipeliner
no better than
Posted by: fruitcrow on Aug 3, 2006 3:52 AM   
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the most extreme ayatollas who encourage desperate youth to sacrifice their lives in suicide bombings so they can attain paradise!! This is actually more dangerous and extreme as it is on a mass scale!!

Funny they should pull a page from Jeremiah for this
Posted by: BJT on Aug 3, 2006 4:19 AM   
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Jeremiah is filled with indictments against the bureaucrats of the time who ignored justice, ignored God, and exploited the poor.

None of us can do a thing about this though...
Posted by: riffraff2001 on Aug 3, 2006 4:42 AM   
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because some very influential people in this country believe these things are supposed to happen, thus it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. The motivation behind it is simple. Conservative Christians want to be right about religion so much that they will in fact make the prophecies happen just so they can say they were right. They're going to be very disappointed when there is no return of Christ after their great war. But sane people can't stop it because these people have power and influence. It's reports like this one that really make me want to go build a log cabin out in the wilderness somewhere and just forget the rest of the world is even out there. There's just too many crazy people in this world to deal with.

We Who Are Wide Awake
Posted by: wawa on Aug 3, 2006 5:19 AM   
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Have been reporting for over a year about neo-con, neo-christian zionist fundamentalists who first infiltrated the White House during the Regan years.

What these fundamentalists leave behind is the true message of Christ: love, forgiveness, do not judge the non-believer, and remain NONVIOLENT even to the point of one's own death.

"KEEP HOPE ALIVE" not ONLY exposes and blows apart the heretical 200 year old theology of these fundamentalists who believe they can bring Christ back through a nuclear war,

"KEEP HOPE ALIVE" is also a basic education regarding the Israeli Palestinian conflict, my eye witness report from the other side of The Wall,

"KEEP HOPE ALIVE" also picks up where Dan Brown's DaVinci Code left you off...

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Hagee the Righteous
Posted by: robmikejas on Aug 3, 2006 5:30 AM   
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I have a friend, whom I cherish, who belongs to the Cornerstone Church under the leadership of John Hagee. She believes every word her minister says. This is a dangerous man, no doubt. I have seen her go from a moderate, tolerant human being to a rabid, religiously addicted follower in a few short years. The in depth theological discussions we once held are no more. There is no room for disagreement or rational give and take in our conversations. Hagee has her so deeply indoctrinated that I barely know her now. His church is nothing more than a cult and a rather large one at that. How do you respond to such perverted brainwashing? I love this person and am horrified to see her slip into such moral decline.

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just a thought
Posted by: tocarr on Aug 3, 2006 5:38 AM   
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Where, exactly, does God come into their plan?
I was always taught that it was He who decided when the
end would come.
I think all of these "evangelicals" have taken too much away
from God and the scriptures.
They are the ones to watch out for. Not Saddam, Iran, or
any foreign power.
They are mostly liars and theives.

» RE: just a thought Posted by: NoNut
» RE: just a thought Posted by: ekwhite
Christianists that lust after death and destruction will get their wish
Posted by: xbj on Aug 3, 2006 5:39 AM   
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Christianists who lust after death and destruction and work earnestly for Armageddon will get their wishes fulfilled, beyond their wildest dreams.

But not only will they not like it when it finally occurs, involving not just the Mideast but the utter destruction of their own beloved USA as well, they will be woefully amazed when they are cast after their real god Lucifer into the molten lake of fire interior of Venus.

They won't be coming out either.

This may well be their last warning.

Fundamentalist evangelicals are dangerous
Posted by: greentime on Aug 3, 2006 5:40 AM   
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They are as unhinged as any other extreme religious radical zealots.

They are not peaceful, they are war mongers.

They are truly dangerous because they deeply believe they have a god-given right to destroy, or aid in the destruction of the earth!!!

If they weren't from inside of America, we would consider them terrorists.

They pray and shout and long for the destruction of the rest of us who don't fall in line with their dangerous beliefs.

Their beliefs are vicious and unsound.

We shouldn't be surprised that the non-Christian majority of the world and also Christians who are not apocalyptic, WILL see them that way and begin to treat them accordingly. They seek to destroy, they hate, they threaten the planet and ALL cultures on it.

Are we harboring world terrorists by remaining silent in the face of this death wish for all of us born of the hypocricy of the radical evangelical Christians?

Those of us who don't see WWIII as an option would do well to stand up to this very real threat. Rapture is not an option for us.

I love this planet and accept my dependency on the fragile web of life it supports. We have no right - any of us - to monopolize or destroy this most precious gift - our home and home to all life.

» RE: Sorry SamFox, I disagree Posted by: greentime
sickofsleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Aug 3, 2006 5:53 AM   
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I don't know why they are so eager for Armageddon, they will be the first on the train to hell. Personally I believe the Bush regime is the Antichrist. My religious counselor tells me the Antichrist is not necessarily one person.

» RE: sickofsleaze Posted by: channing
Birds of a feather.
Posted by: Krotos on Aug 3, 2006 6:00 AM   
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You want the UN to outlaw religion? Pity you weren't born in the Soviet Union under Stalin; you would have been right at home.

The fundamental problem behind this mess is that there are people who feel entitled to force their beliefs about religion on others.

And in that sense, I consider militant atheists like you to be no better than the Islamists and the Christofascists.

-K.Ai.-

» Ooops Posted by: Krotos
» RE: Birds of a feather. Posted by: 1984NOW!!!
how many years
Posted by: karyse on Aug 3, 2006 6:07 AM   
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I always ask Christians how many years would have to pass before they no longer believe the "prophesy" of Jesus' return.
5000, 10,000, 20,000 years?

Afterall, the original time span was stated as "This generation shall not pass..." A whole hell of a lot of generations have passed since that promise was supposedly uttered.

Their answer is that no amount of years passed would alter their belief in the "immanent return." Doesn't their answer tell you everything that you need to know about people who believe based on faith? Doesn't the answer prove that faith is a kind of psychological illness that is so irrational that anyone claiming to believe anything at all based on faith should be prevented from holding any office that requires decision making?

The rapture is a win-win situation. Personally, I would be ecstatic if all the faithful everywhere simply vanished one morning.

» Paradox of faith. Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: Paradox of faith. Posted by: Jimbo
» "This Generation ..." Posted by: AdamSelene40
» RE: how many years Posted by: Lauren
Dangerous times
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Aug 3, 2006 6:16 AM   
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Any American who wants to stand to prevent the coming debacle must first realize that there are three groups using each other to force our government into war. Their motives are different but their goal is the same, war in the Middle East. These groups are the militant Jews, the militant Christians, and the corporate establishment.

The most dangerous of these is the corporatocracy which already controls our government to a great extent through campaign financing and lobbying. With the support of the Jews and the Christian Right this minority will gain the legitimacy of numbers.

Anyone who wants to avoid war must stand up now, before the election. We must tell both parties that we won't vote for a party which doesn't have a plan for peace. Join The Lincoln Initiative, not an organization but a strategy to make "government of the people, by the people, and for the people" a reality. We have less than 100 days.
Bob Reichenbach
lincoln0212@msn.com

» Four Posted by: Joshua Holland
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» RE: Dangerous times Posted by: Jesse Cristo
A veiled polemic
Posted by: ekwhite on Aug 3, 2006 6:21 AM   
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It is amazing that so many people try to bring about 'prophecies' in a book that was a veiled polemic against the Roman empire. It is no accident that Nero's name adds up to 666 in the Gamatria system, and that his nickname was 'The Beast.'

» A veiled polemic???????????? Posted by: Jesse Cristo
» RE: A veiled polemic Posted by: ignition
» yes, quite so. Posted by: Ghoulman
An evil triumvirate?
Posted by: redstarwraith on Aug 3, 2006 6:52 AM   
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We've seen this reported in various guises elsewhere on Alternet although Sarah sheds some new light on "Rev." Hagee. Yes, it is interesting to ask the question at what point do Neocon dreams and extreme right-wing Xn fundamentalism intersect. It becomes difficult to see just who is leading whom around. The neocon vision (as such) has nothing to do with religion and the (so-called) religious view of Hagee et al does not really originate from a secular idea, yet both sides use the other to legitimate their own interests. Added to these strange bedfellows we have to add certain Israeli factions to the mix. I have a difficult time believing that most Israelis (even those in the knesset) actually believe any of this perverted Xn form of the apocalypse mythology; Judaism certainly doesn't teach anything like it. I suspect Israeli "support" for this mythology stems from the fact that all of this really translates into continued financial support for Israel. Sarah is certainly correct that Russia would never stand idly by and watch the U.S. invade Iran, and rightly so, Iran and Russia have cultivated a nice diplomatic relationship with each other (a talent that is sorely lacking within our American administration wherein "statesman" is another way of saying, "retired military guy with a hard-on for war"). Yet, I predict that, sooner or later this whole dicked-up triumvirate of madness will destroy itself internally. There are too many inherent contradictions in mixing up secular Israel with right wing Xn fundamentalism plus secular neocon tomfoolery.
For a very insightful read on all this, pick up Gershom Gorenberg's excellent book "The End of Days: Fundamentalism and the Struggle for the Temple Mount"

Everything in perspective
Posted by: redstarwraith on Aug 3, 2006 7:02 AM   
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Oh, the religious aspect of this whole fiction is a shambles! One need only look at the story of how the Bible was put together and suddenly all this apocalypse mumbo-jumbo seems very different. Everything in its historical context people! The books of the Bible WERE NOT "divinely ordained." They were decided on by a group of men who were the elite of their day. If commoners would have had a say in the construction and editing of the Bible, The Gospel of James would have probably been front and center! Hagee, et al are tapping into the most primal and awful level of a religion (that of the ancient Hebrews) that had not really transcended its own barbarity and tribalism. Read the Bible. See if the early forms of Judaism do not look, sound and behave as a tribal religion. Judaism became humane only when the rabbis defanged it.

» RE: verything in perspective Posted by: aussidawg
» It's a big problem for these folks. Posted by: MatthewSavage
I don't think it counts...
Posted by: Farmertim on Aug 3, 2006 7:14 AM   
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if the believers per say, bring about Armagedon...if they do I think they may be in for one "Hell" of a suprise.......
And just what part of "thou shall not kill thy neighbor" don't they understand???
FarmerTim

Church and Hate
Posted by: Pippi on Aug 3, 2006 7:23 AM   
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These are the people who don't want humans messing with life in the womb. But they can mess with hundreds of thousands of lives outside the US? They live in Old Testament times and have no business calling themselves religious much less Christian. "I'm for the separation of Church and Hate." (from a bumpersticker by www.northernsun.com)

» RE: Church and Hate Posted by: AlienSlave
thinking on the premise of this article...
Posted by: ellie on Aug 3, 2006 7:39 AM   
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This article is quite clear about the state of religion in this country right now. It scares the hell out of me that people are willing to tinker with the concept of end times. For the sake of what? Why are people willing to destroy and kill the folks next door who don’t go to the same church? Simplistic I know, but sometimes reductionism has it’s place. The part that freaks me out is that tinkering with time always ends in disaster. Things happen when they are supposed to happen and not a second sooner. Personal thoughts.

Now onto the topic at hand. The issue doesn’t really seem to be forcing Christianity down the throat of people and let’s remove the point of mega churches making their leaders incredibly wealthy with greed. Let’s look at social change. Humans do not evolve as fast as technology and we always have a culture lag going on. When the disconnect happens between people and technology (the gap becomes too wide to understand), people will turn over every rock they can find for some sort of explanation and to hide in a false sense of security. In western society, the favorite panacea is religion. In this case, religion in all of it's flavors can be called power for the powerless in the hands of globalization, corporatization and limiting resources to people to help them make independent decisions.

For me, the irony of this article is that as I sit at my little desk stalling on writing a lecture for fall semester, the lecture topic is social control.

Not the end of the world, only the end of the Church - thank God
Posted by: DCostello on Aug 3, 2006 7:42 AM   
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This latest experiment in monotheism, Christianity, has shown, once again, it doesn't work. It's been tried before, twice, both were miserable failures ending very simialarly to how this one will end but much nastier for the rest of us.

Monotheism, one people one God, is the most corruptable and contempable forms of religion. It is the root cause of the black and white world we're presented with today - if you're not with us, you're against us. One people, one God, one Ceasar, the Divine Right of Kings, the "shining city on the hill" USA.

It's all just a power play. A way for the few to control the many. I'm not sure who first made the statement but, religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich and powerful.

When you crazy Christians finally get your Armageddon and kill each other off, then the rest of us, what's left, will experience your "heaven on earth".

So, please hurry, genocide yourselves so the world can be a safer and more Christian place.

» Which church? Posted by: MatthewSavage
Lobbying for Armageddon
Posted by: D-of-G on Aug 3, 2006 7:45 AM   
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It is so amazing, given the passage of so much time and history, that as a collective, human beings cannot grasp that the (uni)-verse- one song, has one soul, with one "destiny!" It is a destiny that is without time, space and DISTINCTIONS. These are the illusory perceptions of Man! But unfortunately, at the present time, the world is being dangerously held together, myopically, by those who believe in perpetuating perverse competition, homicide to vindicate homicide, ignorance and fear.
All that needs to be understood about the relevant topic is that if God, according their own bible, is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, "HE" does not need an agent!

» RE: Lobbying for Armageddon Posted by: harris
let's start a fund
Posted by: aislinnluv on Aug 3, 2006 7:52 AM   
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to give these wackos (DANGEROUS wackos) all a pair of black sneakers and a blanket to hide under while they wait for the end times... preferably after a little poison cocktail. i can't believe that we allow these freaks to walk the streets. IF there were a god and IF he were planning an armageddon, why would he require the assistance of some jerk-off religious psychopath to light the match? will no one rid (us) of this meddlesome priest?

It's clear
Posted by: JeffKleist on Aug 3, 2006 7:54 AM   
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Religion is the only mental illness that gets the unquestioning bye

It must be banned, and it's adherents given the mental help they need for their delusions.

At the very least, televangelism and megachurches must be banned, and all churches assessed an 85% fraud tax in addition to all other taxes

God must be proven in a court of law, and must appear to testify. until then, if you are religious you are a danger to yourself and others as you are commanded to murder and pillage in his name. You are REQURED to murder all nonbelievers, and if you're not doing it, you're going to hell

ANd remember Matthew 14:15, even Jesus approves. "I have not come to undo the old laws, b ut to fufill them"

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Spock
Posted by: Spock on Aug 3, 2006 7:54 AM   
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The trouble is that Hezbollah and Iran are planning a nuclear attack on the U.S. right now. They'll do it with "backpack" SADMs they already have, massing them in a big city - St. Louis or Omaha, I expect - until the 1.9 kiloton yield of the SADM (Small Atomic Demolition Munition) is that of the Hiroshima bomb or bigger.

The terrorists will use small aircraft (like those I wrote about in my novel, "Jonatha's Truth'), and skydive with the bombs. That's why Hezbollah and al Qa'ida have been seen in parachute training recently.

If they're smart (as opposed to theatrical as the Arab always must be), they'll attack the IRS Headquarters at Martinsburg, WVA. That would cripple the economy. It could be even worse, should terrorism become really tactical instead of just maniacal and suicidal.

I've noticed in watching the media and perusing the many website forums that most people, even those with a great deal of information and learning, don't think very well when it comes to tactics. That's another very real problem in a democracy during times like these.

I've detailed how I think Iran and the Hezbollah will attack the U.S. on my own website www.judoknighterrant.com

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