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Readers Write: Who Is the Real Hugo Chávez?

By Jan Frel, AlterNet. Posted July 29, 2006.


Did the CIA take over AlterNet? That's a question readers asked after reading two articles published about the Venezuelan president.
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Readers Write: Who is the real Hugo Chavez?

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AlterNet published two articles about Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez this week that fostered a lot of discussion in the comments sections, on our own blogs, and off-site in discussion forums elsewhere on the internet.

The first article, a piece by Javier Corrales from Foreign Policy, titled "A Modern-Day Tyrant?" drew the most criticism of the two. Perhaps the most contentious claim in Corrales' article was that since he's come into power, "Chávez has failed to improve any meaningful measure of poverty, education, or equity. More damning for the Chávez-as-Robin Hood theory, the poor do not support him en masse."

AlterNet staff writer Josh Holland took this claim and others in the article to task in a blog post, citing his previous work debunking the foreign policy establishment in D.C.'s claims about Chávez:

In 1997, the year before Chávez's election, 55.6 percent of Venezuelan households and almost 61 percent of Venezuelan citizens lived beneath the poverty line. At the end of last year, those numbers were down to 37.9 and 43.7 percent, respectively. That's a major improvement ... This, however, does not really capture the changes in the living standards of the poor in Venezuela, since there have been major changes in non-cash benefits and services in the last few years.

And Holland swatted Corrales' attempt to claim that the poor dislike Chávez:

Professor Corrales goes on to say: "More damning for the Chávez-as-Robin Hood theory, the poor do not support him en masse. Most polls reveal that at least 30 percent of the poor, sometimes even more, disapprove of Chávez." Which is also to say that 70 percent of the poor majority do approve of Chávez. That makes sense given that he won 59 percent of the vote in the recall election.

Commenter Thought Criminal added that the author Javier Corrales "was a consultant to the World Bank with a special interest in 'education reform' which looks to be 'education privatization' or rather, IMF-style 'austerity measures' aimed at enforcing debt repayment at the expense of the country's social improvement programs -- and then only the privileged few get an education, and the country stagnates. (kimaszi gave a link to Corrales' resume) His job appears to be providing intellectual justification for the economic hitmen who work for the IMF-World Bank-Import/Export crowd -- basically, it's the Tonya Harding model of economic competition in action." Thought Criminal linked to an article from the Center for Economic and Policy Research to debunk many of the claims in the piece.

Commenter Vani offered a fairly extreme explanation for why AlterNet published the Corrales article -- that it has been taken over by the CIA, or perhaps Israel's Mossad:

Although there might very well be some, even many, sincere people behind AlerNet, the management must be in the hands of some right-wing, conservative organization that is trying to derail the Left. Possibly it has been infiltrated by the CIA or Mossad. In any case, there is no way that a truly liberal news source would have published an article attacking Chavez. Any Leftie with half a brain knows that Chávez is an enormous advance over who normally leads in Latin America.

Occasional AlterNet author Jules Siegel sent an e-mail asking for an answer to a comment written by Mycos, a subscriber to newsroom-l.net, who also wondered why the piece was republished here:

"Somehow this totally bizarre article made it onto the pages of Alternet. Nobody can believe what they are seeing. It's ... well, it's simply a bizarre attempt at being critical of Chavez, and makes me wonder if there isn't more to the story of its appearance over there."

To which I can say, authoritatively, Nah! AlterNet hasn't been taken over by anything other than the desire to run a mix of articles with a blend of perspectives. Note that very recently, AlterNet ran another piece from Foreign Policy arguing that the NRA was taking its gun advocacy to the whole planet -- not a piece of gun industry PR by any standard. It sure looks like some of Corrales' claims were inaccurate, and his biases fairly easy to discern. However, the piece had a lot of material about what Chávez has done to consolidate power, which went unchallenged. Points such as "His 1999 constitution did away with congressional oversight of military affairs, a change that allowed him to purge disloyal generals and promote friendly ones" are worthy of consideration, even if you like the man.


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Try to not lose sight when you pick a side.
Posted by: aouie01 on Jul 29, 2006 2:25 AM   
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It is a common tendency to pick sides and be hesitant to acknowledge something that may not be in favor of the chosen side. While I am not commenting on anything specific related to Hugo Chavez, it appears like a lot of people have strong views on the issue (though not as strong as views on Israel / Palestine issues) and are too eager to downplay any point worth looking into that could conflict with the pre-existing view. Try to critique / praise / acknowledge things for what they are while clearly pushing to emphasize what you think needs to be emphasized. It may take some work, but if and when you are able to, you will likely find that others will have a tougher time ignoring your valid points.
I would suggest not picking sides, and being for goodness. Sometimes to further goodness picking sides may be in order. If you do pick a side, try to not lose sight (ability to discern right from wrong, good from bad, ...). In the interests of good communication, acknowledge valid points that are not in favor of your view point.
Sincerely,
Aouie
{ The exception to the good communication suggestion would be if you are an important person whose words are likely to be recorded and used to inappropriately distort opinions (but most of us aren't in that category) }

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» Slick move alternet Posted by: psychochurch
I would like to see more
Posted by: Lizmv on Jul 29, 2006 3:30 AM   
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Articles that present the "other side". Please give us more!

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» RE: I would like to see more Posted by: Wren 2.2
» But next time... can we please... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» "Bizarre" is the word Posted by: Mycos
everyone
Posted by: rsaxto on Jul 29, 2006 5:03 AM   
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Everyone has their good points and bad points. Chavez has a lot of good points and the Bushies have a lot of bad points. The real test is, are things getting better or worse for most people? In South America things are getting better. In North America things are getting worse. In Iraq things are getting worse. Getting all North Americans out of Iraq would make things get better in Iraq. That is the main reason American troops should be withdrawn from Iraq and the sooner the better.

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» RE: everyone Posted by: meadowlake59
» RE: everyone Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
Venezuela and poverty facts
Posted by: guerby on Jul 29, 2006 5:21 AM   
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I recommand this article by economist Dean Baker on his blog Beat the Press on the poverty issue of Venezuela.

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» RE: Venezuela and poverty facts Posted by: Joshua Holland
Please don't start in with the rightist stuff!
Posted by: quetlin on Jul 29, 2006 7:57 AM   
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Nah! AlterNet hasn't been taken over by anything other than the desire to run a mix of articles with a blend of perspectives

Why? What changed your liberal policy? I don't go to sites with a mix of perpectives. I don't want a mix of perspectives . I want AlterNet to provide an ALTERnate news source to the MSM. There is plenty of stuff biased toward the right. This is one of few sources that presents an ALTERnative to that! Please don't start in with the rightist stuff!

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Steve Arrasmith
Posted by: stevenarrasmith on Jul 29, 2006 7:58 AM   
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Conservative Hate Radio is my constant companion in the car on business trips, thanks to my evangelical co-worker. "Why do you put up with it?!" my wife asks. Admittedly, it is always like trying to eat sand; I just can't swallow it all. But I almost always learn something I didn't know, or would have ever imagined, about the world-view and peculiar rules of logic followed by the people who think they are running the world. As a bonus, I am constantly reminded of the invalid debate techniques (red herring, etc.) that we were not allowed to use in Speech Club in high school. It is painful, yet educational, experience. I admit I could never force myself to do it when I'm alone. Thanks to Alternet for sticking us all in the car with Javier Corrales for a 7 hour drive to Albany (and back!).

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» RE: Steve Arrasmith Posted by: harris
When Chavez has his military fly planes into his tallest skyscrapers...
Posted by: xbj on Jul 29, 2006 9:04 AM   
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When Chavez has his military fly planes bu remote control into a couple of his tallest skyscrapers and kills 3000 people to mobilize his country for an endless "war" on "terror", then I'll be happy to talk about what an evil unelected dictator "who attacked his own people" he is.

Until then, he's a Saint next to the crew in the White House.

And he, and the rest of the world, AND OUR OWN CIA damn well know it too.

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» You hopeless ..... Posted by: Mycos
» Seeing black Helicopters? Posted by: Liger
» xbj Posted by: Mycos
The Real Threat
Posted by: sofla100 on Jul 29, 2006 9:08 AM   
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The biggest thing the Bushies fear, by far, is that Chavez will demonstrate an alternative, viable and workable model to the US model. The US model for South American development is basically a very captialist model, which calls for privatization of almost all essential public services, ownership of most all businesses by a small (1% of population) pro-American group, and a very large, subservient population working for $1/day, 16 hour days, making goods for export to Wal-Mart. Furthermore, with Venezuela, they would export oil to the USA at the lowest price possible but with the highest possible markups for US corporations like Conoco and Exxon. In addition, the US military would be allowed to use the country to base contingents of special forces for periodic "secret operations" that the host government knows little about. Ideally, the host government also, in the US model, would have secret facilities and intelligence services to deal with "exported" individuals from the USA who need "special treatment" in the torture cells.

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» RE: The Real Threat Posted by: dre
» RE: The Real Threat Posted by: sea4to
» RE: The Real Threat Posted by: Hal
Left and Right the Same
Posted by: JAXC on Jul 29, 2006 9:17 AM   
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Left and Right Wing Nuts are the same. Rah-Rah Politics, like in Jr. Highschool. Just because Chavez claims to be a Lefty all the US Lefties go Rah-Rah Chavez, just like the Right Wingers go Rah-Rah Bush. Ideology first, reality last.

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» That' a good one. Posted by: Lauren
» Humans Must Find Reality Posted by: JAXC
» RE: Left and Right the Same Posted by: paulanthropus
» RE: Left and Right the Same Posted by: sea4to
» Nonsense Posted by: Mycos
Questionable editorial judgment
Posted by: LMNOP on Jul 29, 2006 11:59 AM   
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"AlterNet hasn't been taken over by anything other than the desire to run a mix of articles with a blend of perspectives."

This is desirable within limits. Some viewpoints don't deserve a platform in a respectable magazine, web site, television show or other medium. That is not to say that they should be suppressed, just not vaunted or facilitated in trusted media with large, ready-made audiences.

Media Matters and others have been making this point a lot recently. Intelligent design does not deserve equal billing with Darwinism if the schools are the medium (talk about a large, ready made, trusting audience!). They are not doing science.

Ann Coulter does not deserve equal time with ANY outlet that she is not paying for. Let her put her books up for sale, but don't feature her on pdeudo-newscasts like Hardball to promote it. She is not qualified to speak on any subject, and her methods are not those for seeking truth but those of someone trying to subvert it. Incidentally, she just called Clinton a "latent homosexual" and Gore a "total fag" on that show.

Now, the faux news is giving equal time to the opinion that these are the end times of bible prophecy (one "Middle east expert" on a TV newscast had no credentials except bible prophecy student), but not giving equal time to the expert opinions contradicting the red spin machine's contrived thesis that we are in a world war.

You don't find crackpots cited beside legitimate researchers in The New England Journal of Medicine because articles are refereed by experts to weed out the garbage.

We rely on the editorial staff at Alternet and elsewhere NOT to give garbage like that anti-Chavez fantasy equal billing without disclaimers or the relevant biographical data that two astute readers did link us to.

I don't blame other readers for wondering why this piece was published on Alternet. The explanation that they "desire to run a mix of articles with a blend of perspectives" palls a little.

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» RE: Questionable editorial judgment Posted by: Joshua Holland
» Sorry, I wasn't clear ... Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: Sorry, I wasn't clear ... Posted by: mythbuster
» Mythbuster ... Posted by: HeidiLockwood
» RE: Mythbuster ... Posted by: mythbuster
» RE: Sorry, I wasn't clear ... Posted by: mythbuster
» RE: Questionable editorial judgment Posted by: dangerouslysane
» Excellent replies ssegallmd Posted by: WhatNow?
» The way ... Posted by: Joshua Holland
Apply the same standards
Posted by: Ian B. on Jul 29, 2006 12:18 PM   
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When talking about the alledged authoritarianism of Latin American leaders, we need to take a look at ourselves and see if we would accept the same things in our country that we expect Latin Americans to accept. Would we tolerate disloyal army officers, coups and paid agents of a hostile foreign power on our own soil? Would we accept political parties that receive money from the North Korean equivalent of the NED? How about press freedom critics from Iran or Syria? I think not.

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PERFECT! A wonderful idea, look what it spawned...
Posted by: kwalla on Jul 29, 2006 2:33 PM   
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If Alternet's motives in publishing the articles on Chavez, especially the Corrales piece from Foreign Policy, was to inspire discussion from readers, then what a success. And the opportunity to collectively debunk the arguments raised by Corrales, arguments that underpin and pervade the mainstream media perspective was also most wonderful. Jan's frequent quoting of so many reader comments is just icing on the cake.

Still though, Corrales does provide a few salient points about the danger of authoritarianism that should serve as warning to anyone who truly values democratic principles. Any leader/movement that finds itself in power must choose carefully which means it will use to stay in power. As one gains more power the slope towards corruption becomes more and more slippery.

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akamai
Posted by: arthur on Jul 29, 2006 3:02 PM   
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Hey! Didn't Bush appoint Wolfowitz to head the World Bank. Doesn't everyone understand that the neocon anti-Arab, pro-Israel and pro-American-empire agenda is going to be furthered by the World Bank. Anyone in the World Bank who got there through the same channels that brought Wolfowitz will have the same agenda and anyone who wants promotion and appointment to significant positions will be pushing the neocon line. But who in Alternet let this through?

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» RE: akamai Posted by: Mycos
darby1936
Posted by: darby1936 on Jul 29, 2006 3:01 PM   
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Chavez helped poor American people with energy discounts last winter. Every time someone runs an article unfavorible to him the oil company's obscene profits should be pointed out and the fact that this administration and most members of congress are in the oil company's pocket. He matches up pretty good with Bush, Cheney and their CEO buddies.

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» No joke. Posted by: JoshuaLudd
Hugo Chavez ahead big in polls
Posted by: Mr. Danger on Jul 29, 2006 3:10 PM   
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http://oilwars.blogspot.com/

Chavez would win 55% of the vote, all the opposition candidates have single digit support. The most powerful statistic...83% of Venezuelans do not like the opposition.

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» RE: Hugo Chavez ahead big in polls Posted by: Lincoln fan
akamai
Posted by: arthur on Jul 29, 2006 3:26 PM   
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"His 1999 constitution did away with congressional oversight of military affairs, a change that allowed him to purge disloyal generals and promote friendly ones" are worthy of consideration, even if you like the man."
Most of the higher ranking military in Latin America have been trained in Georgia and elsewhere by the American military in techniques of torture, murder and the destabilization of democratic regimes. Noriega was trained here in America and went on the payroll of the CIA. The Generals in Argentina were trained here. Likewise the military in Guatamala and Honduras during the Reagan era committed the mass murder of Indians, intellectuals, editors and clergy, assisted by CIA and embassy staff. In Chile, the CIA under Nixon helped the Generals overthrow the elected President Allende and begin an oppressive regime friendly to ITT and other American corporations but deadly to the freedoms and life of the Chilean people. So Chavez removed the most fascist and brutal elements of the military who were likely in the payroll of the CIA and who backed a coup against Chavez that removed him temporarily from power until the poor, who according to the Alternet piece doesn't back Chavez, took to the streets until he was restored to his elected office. I seems Bush doesn't like Democracy when the election results in the Middle East or in Latin America which aren't suppportive of American economic hegemony and corporations.
THere is no excuse for Alternet running this piece. To have done so destroys the credibility of Alternet and raises questions about its governance, staff and agenda.

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Alternet = nazis critiqueing partisans
Posted by: rwa on Jul 29, 2006 4:33 PM   
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I suppose the nazis did blather on about the athoritarian nature of the resistance. How they terrorize the public, blah blah... Martin Luther King was a pinko, blah blah...
Wow

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Save the "balanced reporting" for Fox News...
Posted by: TorontoCanada on Jul 29, 2006 5:33 PM   
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AlterNet, ooohhhh AlterNet
You should get off your intellectual high horse & save the "balanced blend of perspectives" for those who are interested...
which is NOBODY ! Are you chasing the illusion of un-biased reporting?? or are you just posting these joke articles to provoke a strong reaction in your readers?? (not a bad idea actually)
You spend so much time chasing the facts that you end up chasing your own tail, & what's with all these people who post with the sole purpose of defending Israel at-all costs. AlterNet is filled with antagonizers lately & I hope you're not kidding with this infiltrated by the CIA-Mossad thing because your board is soo obviously filled with these posts that i suspect there are more CIA-Mossad on AlterNet than there are in Canada. Anyways, infowars.com & Davidicke.com fulfill me in a way that your intellectual Chavez-bashing crap never could...
good luck,
anyways... I'm off to Al-Jazeera for some INTERESTING articles
heh

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Attacks Based on Fiction
Posted by: sofla100 on Jul 29, 2006 7:47 PM   
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Why is it that when you hear or read anti-Chavez stories or articles you always seem to go away from it having to guess just what exactly, to define it specifically, the issue or complaint is? When you listen to GW on Chavez you are left the same way, its sort of "believe me," because "Chavez is a real bad guy." I mean if he is so awful, where are the pictures of people starving or being tortured. Instead you hear stories about poor people getting cheap or free heating oil from him in America, or that he has teams of doctors going into slum neighboorhoods in Venezuela for the first time. Boy, he must really be a bad guy, uhhh? As for those pictures, we are left instead not with bad pictures of people being killed or tortured in Venezuela, but people being killed or tortured by the US in Iraq, or stories about how millions of US poor people have no access to health care or worry about freezing to death next winter. But, we must be hallucinating right? We should just all believe GW, cause, "y'all know, that Chaaaveez guy he not very good,..."

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Chavez's cheap NOT a cheap trick
Posted by: brianct on Jul 29, 2006 10:31 PM   
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Coldeye wrote:

'The cheap oil deliveries are obvious propaganda. Chávez has the same morals as most OPEC leaders: charge the most for a product that is in short supply. That is monopoly capitalism, plain and simple. Chávez is not "immoral" as Western society uses the word. But his socialist sympathizers are pathetic fools; like the dupes who adored Stalin. They see what they choose to see.'

Which is not true, and shows he hasnt been doing his homework...A number of oil companies along with Citgo were asked by Rep Serrano to provide cheap oil for the poor in Boston, I believe. Only Citgo agreed.

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Chavez not a model for democracy????
Posted by: brianct on Jul 29, 2006 10:40 PM   
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Iconoclast(??) said: 'Of course Chávez is not the model of democracy and the left should not condone his actions out of spite for Bush.'

What ever is this centre left fellow saying? Chavez is not the model of democracy, but Venezuela is... How can a man be a 'democracy'??

Venezuela's democracy IS the model for democracy today. Compare it with any democracy around: fair elections: vote machines with paper proof of vote. Its the fairest democracy today...anywhere on earth. US democracy is a joke: Bush wasnt even elected...they had to create paperless vote machines thru the HAVA act to even have a chance.

BUT Chavez is the model of a world leader, and i will take on all challengers to this statement, either one at a time or all at once. Chavez today is the only world leader (bar Castro) who puts the poor people firs, condemns war mongering ( and what a fine contrast this former paratrooper makes with the chickenhawks), has kicked Monsanto and GM out of his country etc etc..

Its a pity that Chavezs arent more common...but courage and integrity are too costly for most politicians...

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Choose ONE standard ...
Posted by: Joshua Holland on Jul 30, 2006 6:42 AM   
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Batista ... Mbuto ... Pinochet ... the Duvaliers ... Reza Pahlavi ... Marcos ... Suharto ... the past list is long. Currently, our allies include the two nations that have done more to create anti-American terror groups than any others, Saudi arabia and Pakistan. Karimov in Uzbekistan is another current ally. His security services have a penchant for boiling opponents alive.

So, either we're guilty for all their sins, or Chavez' "association" means nothing at all. Choose a standard and stick with it.

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Then Why Do Many Have-Nots Vote Right?
Posted by: JAXC on Jul 30, 2006 7:23 AM   
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Left, Right, and Center: This is how we describe ourselves. It is not easy to explain why. But to win, we (who want justice and opportunity for all) must own the Center. Majority wins. How do we do that? I want to win. Do you?

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this is the whole point
Posted by: mrjones on Jul 30, 2006 10:04 AM   
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I don't think it's a bad idea to publish an article that's critical of Chavez, the point is it should be legitimate criticism, not just giving equal time to the right. A better article could have listed some common criticisms of Chavez and analyzed their validity.

I think it's best to resist this whole right vs. left mentality, our team vs. theirs, blue vs. red, etc... I have this idea that most people on the left are not just out to serve their own selfish interests while using liberal ideaology to justify their actions. I believe that most progressives are motivated by a desire to adhere to the truth and demonstrate compassion for their fellow human beings and other living things. On the other hand you have some rich people who use conservative ideaology to justify their own selfish actions and adherents to a corrupt and decadent religion that resembles more closely the kind of thing Jesus was fighting against rather than the positive values he taught. To put it in black and white terms were talking about good vs. evil here, and I don't believe that those of us on the side of good need to give any time to the arguments of evil except to explicitly point out their errors. We might even be better off ignoring them all together rather than get drawn into their arguments framed by false premises designed to facilitate deceit.

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RE: Iranian Leader Calls Chavez a 'Trench Mate'
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Jul 30, 2006 10:08 AM   
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All that Chavez need do is gain the hatred of the French. Then he'd be our ally.

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Now seriously...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jul 30, 2006 10:40 AM   
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... I have no problem with an alternative view to the one usually found on this site... but can we PLEASE try to find one that doesn't sound like something from 1984???

Democracy is Tyrany!
More hospitals is less health care!
popular vote is lack of mass approval!

c'mon!

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CHAVEZ by DEFAULT
Posted by: Hal on Jul 30, 2006 3:16 PM   
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The best that can be said of amateur night Chavez is he is a genuine leader and thus not owned by the de facto corporate cartel that pulls the strings on a fascist DC-MSM whorehouse. Other than being against corporate elites behind the latest temp stooge poodles out of Washington, Chavez has very little to recommend him. Like toy figurehead GW Bush, he is not only an ignorant man but apparently proud of it. He also lacks any real vision or understanding as to core issues facing the globe. And he certainly does not understand the nature of the OPEC beast he rides. Like a willful child, he does not comprehend the consequences of his actions.

And this is NOT as one poster alleged about “monopoly capitalism” that is an empty oxymoron. Capitalism requires free and open markets founded on valid democracy. The globe has neither of these as it remains effectively ruled by a cartel system that makes a killing joke of both free markets and democracy wherever they are advertised via cartel sham MSM psyops.

In the end, Chavez is only important by virtue of the Big Oil he sits on. This makes him dangerous to cartel corporate parasites at the helm of the west. And that energy dynamic puts him in the crosshairs.

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» DEMOCRACY by DEFAULT Posted by: camaron
No Sale- Alternet
Posted by: WitchyNy on Jul 30, 2006 4:21 PM   
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If I want get something with a 'right' point of view..I will read a newspaper or turn on the TV and listen to the evening news.

I thought Alternet was about giving us an alternative-left POV?

The last thing we need is 'balance'.
Just what what major news does the left control?????

I am not buying this at all. Something is up.

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Spin Doctors at play oncemore
Posted by: shyguy709 on Jul 31, 2006 6:28 AM   
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3/4 of commentaries find something wrong with ALETRNET...

Honey, did u just fall in love with some partisan lover? U sound so different than before.

The Mix is No More the Message...now it is A Message designed by spin doctors

This site had just become prototypes of right wing propagators. This espousal just shows how unsafe sex is a good game...

No more shall alternet be my homepage...if you care, go tell it to the marines for now U Suck...

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not looking for "balance" here
Posted by: liphilli on Jul 31, 2006 8:03 AM   
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I come to this site and others like it because I am looking for a progressive left viewpoint on issues that I can only find right wing or supposed moderate views on in the regular news and on tv. If this site is now going to be giving me the "other" side as well, then that is not what I am interested in. Give me bias, progressive, with the facts and information in tact and not filtered by corporate shills. I don't want to have to filter out what is and isn't being given to me with the corporate perspective in mind on this kind of site. That is just wrong.

I will continue to read interesting articles that I find here, but by no means will I think of this site as a favorite for news or the kind of viewpoint I am looking for. Nor will I contribute to help support this site in the future. There are plenty of truly progressive sites that need the money and don't offer another platform for the corporate truth that already owns the rest of the media world. No thanks. That kind of different viewpoint is not what I come here to see.

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