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Who Must Really Answer for 9/11?

By David Sirota, AlterNet. Posted July 28, 2006.


Republicans running for re-election believe the American public will swallow another batch of lies and distortions about 9/11 -- but this time, Democrats are pushing back.

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As any casual political observer knows by now, Karl Rove has made himself famous for using national security as a political weapon against Democrats. In particular, Rove has pioneered a strategy of hiding the weaknesses of his own side, and targeting the strengths of his opponents.

We saw this in the 2002 mid-terms, when Rove masterminded the GOP's congressional campaign that ignored the fact that President Bush originally opposed creating a Department of Homeland Security, and then used Bush's Johnny-come-lately support for the concept to bash Democrats. We saw it in 2004 as well, when Rove deflected attention from Bush's embarrassing military absenteeism during Vietnam and spearheaded a vicious assault on the combat credentials of John Kerry, a Vietnam War hero.

Now, in 2006, Republicans seem to be following Rove's playbook in Ohio -- the site of the country's biggest and most closely-contested U.S. Senate race. But unlike the two elections before, Democrats this time are punching back. In the process, they are regrounding America's national security debate in facts, rather than dishonest rhetoric.

Over the last week, incumbent Republican Sen. Mike DeWine has launched ads showing images from Sept. 11, and attacked challenger Democratic Rep. Sherrod Brown as supposedly weak on national security. DeWine bases his claim on a handful of votes Brown cast in the 1990s to cut intelligence funding and create more transparency in intelligence budgeting.

Sounds like a good strategy until you consider the message inherent in DeWine's attack: By criticizing Brown for having the guts in the 1990s to try to change a clearly misguided intelligence apparatus, DeWine is very publicly saying that he believes there was actually nothing wrong with our national security before Sept. 11, and that there was no need to reform America's intelligence budget from its Cold War days so as to make sure it was focused on America's real threats.

Put another way, he's going on record as an apologist for the massive intelligence failures that left our country vulnerable to attack in the first place. Of course, DeWine's skewed logic is a product of his justifiable desperation. As a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee in the 1990s, he was in a perfect position to demand much-needed changes in how our government was targeting our intelligence resources.

He was responsible for exercising oversight that might have helped redirect our intelligence resources in a way that could have prevented the attacks. Instead, he didn't lift a finger. Now embarrassed and running for his political life, he knows he needs to hide his record. So he is going with the Rove strategy of papering over his own irresponsible behavior and attacking his opponent's visionary foresight.

Unfortunately for DeWine and other Republican politicians following the Rove playbook this year, this strategy is more politically risky than the typical GOP ploys of the past because public opinion data shows voters realize the attacks are lies. A 2005 University of Maryland nationwide poll found that "a majority rejects the idea that net increases in the defense budget as a whole are necessary to fight terrorism." In fact, "When presented most of the major items in the discretionary federal budget and given the opportunity to modify it, Americans make some dramatic changes" with "the largest cut by far to defense spending."


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David Sirota is the author of Hostile Takeover: How Big Money and Corruption Conquered Our Government--and How We Take It Back (Crown, 2006).

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It will take more than that to overturn military Keynesianism
Posted by: wli on Jul 28, 2006 1:50 AM   
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Sadly, even electing Democrats (far right-wing) instead of Republicans (off-the-charts right-wing) will not help.

For the moment, assuming elections aren't rigged (which is a very big assumption), one could almost literally say that voting for the most suicidal policy possible is the way to go. Call it "burning down the house." As long as the system is sustainable, it will be sustained, and its very raison d'etre is to prevent progress, i.e. that which would undermine the plutocracy.

This silliness about Democrats being better about national security is just complete hogwash. Strictly speaking it's true; however, what needs to be challenged is the very concept of national security, not specific assertions about who does it better. What's been done in the name of national security is never discussed, and it needs to be in far more than mere dollars and cents.

So, what is the Democratic record on "national security?"

Truman let Allen Dulles run wild setting up the Gladio terrorist networks throughout Europe, propping up fascist collaborators, and going on extermination campaigns against the former anti-fascist resistance (even hiring Klaus Barbie, Reinhard Gehlen, and other such war criminals). Sorry, too much WWII/Gladio/Paperclip reading.

Kennedy's affairs in Vietnam and Cuba.

LBJ's invasion of the Dominican Republic, more Vietnam.

Carter starting up extraordinary renditions, bankrolling the future al Qaeda.

Clinton's infamous half-million dead Iraqi children being "worth it."

Republicans may do more of these sorts of things, but what this is all about is that there's a great deal of consistency between Republicans and Democrats, and what's actually done for the sake of "national security" is fiendishly horrible. The phrase "national security" was practically coined by the National Security Act of 1947; the entire concept, which is rather nebulous anyway, needs to be done away with, alongside such brownshirted slogans as "homeland security," which is even more poorly-defined.

No direct analogue can take its place, because it categorically does not deserve a place. Notions like international law enforcement (Interpol, UN peacekeeping and/or police action), border integrity, territorial sovereignty, protecting US citizens, and the like are more than sufficient to cover what should indeed be covered. "National security," on the other hand, is all too often a catchphrase to legitimate going to war on behalf of wealthy patricians and their corporate holdings

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» Absolutely! Very well said wli Posted by: getoutofiraqnow
» good description! Posted by: thoughtcriminal
This is why the Democrats aren't serious
Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 28, 2006 2:05 AM   
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Al Qaeda was a blowback creation of US policy. There should be strong demands for a full inquiry to the affects of US foreign policy, and how it has escalated violence and radicalism around the world. Only then will there be any accountability and any chance of getting close to a sensible foreign policy.

Without this, Dem or Repub prez, the US is going to be embroiled in horrible wars for a long time. And this time, unlike the Vietcong, the chicken will come home to roost. The US will be hit again and again. Because the US remains in denial of the damage it has done and the hate it has fostered. The CIA's defences are down, a result of Bush's meddling, and so the US is vulnerable. The bad guys know this, and remember, they work on long-term plans. They don't suffer the reality-TV, attention-deficit syndrome that most Americans have.

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The Biggest Con Game Ever!
Posted by: williameon on Jul 28, 2006 3:01 AM   
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Now you see it,
now you don't!
They made two buildings disappear!
Then they stole your:
Rights,
Jobs,
Pensions,
Healthcare,
Natural resources,
Environment,
Voting machines,
Media,
Military,
Country,
and
Humanity.
And
Now!
They are even selling the roads out
From under your feet!
To foreign nationals
For Toll Roads!
What’s next?
God Bless Americo!!!!
Pay as you go!
The largest transfer of wealth in the history of mankind.
To Corporate Crooks.

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» RE: The Biggest Con Game Ever! Posted by: dikaiosyne
» How did your post Posted by: russianblue1
» RE: How did your post Posted by: viking
» RE: The Biggest Con Game Ever! Posted by: Conservasaurus
» 4 buildings - one across the street Posted by: kellysgarden
» RE: 4 buildings - one across the street Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: 4 buildings - one across the street Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: 4 buildings - one across the street Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: 4 buildings - one across the street Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Dino's attempted evasion Posted by: Knowmad
greedy
Posted by: rsaxto on Jul 28, 2006 4:23 AM   
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We need to elect the least greedy democrats to replace the most greedy republicans and the most environmentally aware democrats to replace the most reckless of the republican anti environmentalists and the most peace loving democrats to replace the most warmongering republicans.

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» We need to unite Posted by: Steve Adair
WAKE UP PEOPLE! WE WERE NOT ATTACKED!
Posted by: HeadsUp on Jul 28, 2006 4:44 AM   
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National security? How do we secure ourselves against OUR government? Who attacked WTC7? It wasn't hit by a plane and it went down 7 hours after WTC1 and WTC2.
Any news media that perpetuates the myth that we were attacked by outsiders is working for this administration!

http://video.google.com/
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» RE: WAKE UP PEOPLE! WE WERE NOT ATTACKED! sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
» RE:dikaiosyne's remark above Posted by: common intelligence
» RE: Poster, dikaiosyne's stupid comment. Posted by: common intelligence
» RE: Poster, dikaiosyne's stupid comment. sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
» Put options Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Put options Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» RE: Put options Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Put options Posted by: MyLeftFoot
No Intelligence Failure
Posted by: AdamSelene40 on Jul 28, 2006 4:48 AM   
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There was no 'intelligence failure' on 9/11 !

What was needed to prevent 9/11 was A RE-ENFORCED COCKPIT DOOR WITH A LOCK -- the one El Al Airlines had been installing in THEIR planes for more than 10 years.

The idea that an all-knowing -- yet trustworthy and consitutionally acceptable -- spy agency could have identified the plotters and caught them "before" is patently absurd.

Sure, working backwards, after the fact, with all the extranious leads, reports and rumers excluded, it's easy to 'connect the dots.' But before the event 'not so much'.

What??? An A-rab is taking flying lessons in Oklahoma, and he doesn't want to learn how to land the plane. One of two things must be true: this relates to the "Bin Laden Determined" briefing paper we have to interview this guy and everyone who knows him ... or "another redneck racist FBI special agent in a craphole assignment wants to be promoted transferred to the Terrorist Branch in DC. " An FBI supervisior, familiar with the organization's culture, history, and personnel might well conclude "resources are not infinite ... let's catch some real crooks."

As long as Democrats buy into the Security Mom view of the universe ... "there are bad people out there who want to kill your babies and destroy our way of life -- vote for the Strongest Leader who will do what must be done ! -- for example John Kerry saluting the camera and saying "reporting for duty" -- not only will the Democrats probably lose their elections as 'second best on security' ... they will also lose our democratic form of government, and pave the way for an eternal Corporatist Republican regime.

"Terrorists" never had the ability to 'destroy our way of life' ... by flying airplanes into skyscrapers, any more than the Germans could convert Cockneys to Naziism by dropping bombs on London -- unless Americans really are as timid and child-like as most of the rest of the world thinks we are.

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» RE: No Intelligence Failure sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
» RE: No Intelligence Failure sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
» RE: No Intelligence Failure sickofsleaze sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
» RE: No Intelligence Failure Posted by: jareilly
» RE: No Intelligence Failure sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
9/11 Truth
Posted by: Christie on Jul 28, 2006 4:52 AM   
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See: Top 40 Reasons to Doubt the "Official Story” of Sept. 11.(911truth.org ) Then judge for yourself what the main stream media, Democrats in Congress ( and Republicans who are not Neocons) should be saying about 9/11.

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» RE: 9/11 Truth Posted by: symcokid
» RE: 9/11 Truth Posted by: Christie
» RE: 9/11 Truth Posted by: symcokid
'I did not know where, or when, or how...'
Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 28, 2006 5:08 AM   
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What a crock of BS when Condi testified to the Senate. Any guy off the street could have read that memo and taken action to respond (hello?!, the WTC was bombed in 1993 - maybe somebody might do it again). But I have to agree with the other posters that the CIA etc. are no guarantor of security. There was an excellent piece in the UK's Guardian newspaper two weeks ago about how all of Bush's screwing about with the CIA has left the organisation in total disarray. It can no more stop Al Qaeda than it can produce country reports with any connection to the truth.

The US's defences are down. The US's best guarantee of long-term security is to stop making war with the world. We need an international guarantor of global security, and must stop looking to the US for this role. I call the US as hegemon 'Pax Chaotica', or a state of imbalance where the hegemon - a largely discredited entity - tries to give a semblance of global security, while war and insecurity rages everywere.

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» Much Chaotica but little Pax Posted by: HeroesAll
» RE: Much Chaotica but little Pax Posted by: VannaLaRoche
this time the world is watching American voters
Posted by: concerned Canadian on Jul 28, 2006 5:31 AM   
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The rest of the free world has long known that the war on terror ought to start with a politcal correction inside the White House - the Bush's the Cheney's the Rove's - as the rest of the free world has long known that in order to find the enemy who brought down the Twin Towers of Peace and Democracy they only need to look at the evidence that science and mathematical principles offers. And so the rest of the free world knows who ordered the 'stand down', who sat there reading a goat story, who hustled the evidence of 911 off to a third world country and who is still trying to sell its public that an airplane can crash into the Pentagon because magic made its wingspan disappear. This time, dear American neighbours and friends, we are watching your choices and may God help you all to choose wisely. Your own future and those of your children and grandchildren depend on this choice.

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» Try 911truth.org Posted by: Christie
» RE: Try 911truth.org Posted by: getoutofiraqnow
» RE: Try 911truth.org sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
» Hey Brownie Posted by: citizenjoe
» Citizen Deane? Posted by: brunowe
» RE: Citizen Deane? sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
So the dems are showing some pluck? Great!
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 28, 2006 5:51 AM   
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Well it's about time! The way these hideous swine within the GOP have been using September 11th as a political football is the most shameful expoitation of a tragedy that I've ever seen in my life! My message to the democrats is this: Shoot to kill and take no prisoners! As long as dishonest political attack ads are legal, use 'em. Hell, be dishonest as possible! They've been doing it for years - you gotta fight fire with fire, baby! That's the only way you're going to win. And unlike the GOP, you don't have to lie! How's that for convenience?? When you accuse Bill Frist, Mitch McConnell, Norm Coleman and Sue Kelly of being corrupt whores you're tellin' the truth!!!

And now that they're starting to show a bit of testicular fortitude, they might stop running from our base while they're at it, might they? The last democrat to run as an honest-to-goodness, dyed-in-the-wool, real live democrat was George McGovern in 1972. They should stop acting like "republican lite" and start behaving as democrats. People are starting to wake up as to the damage that the so-called "Reagan Revolution" has done to this country. The people are sick to death of these right-wing morons.

Hey, Democrats, CARPE DIEM!!! Get the message? You've got the greatest opportunity since 1932 to take control of our hideously damaged government.....

DON"T FUCK UP AGAIN!

Pray for peace.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
The Daily Rant

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» Sorry for the double posting Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: Sorry for the double posting Posted by: anarchosyndicalist
Comments better than article
Posted by: daw13 on Jul 28, 2006 6:09 AM   
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which is not unusual these days on Alternet. The Article's spin is that US intelligence has been "misguided." Most of the commenters, so far, have a quite different view.

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Our Security, "They Don't Care"
Posted by: anarchosyndicalist on Jul 28, 2006 6:11 AM   
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Get it? "They just want our money. Keep paying, see?? Remember the Anthrax murders and scare after 911? "They" never did tell the populace from which weapons lab in the US that strain came from. Not one person indicted, and the whole affair went away, replaced by crazed snipers...
Remember? Umm, what were we discussing?

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» RE: Our Security, "They Don't Care" sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
Its so sad how Dubya "missed" that August briefing
Posted by: owlbear1 on Jul 28, 2006 6:45 AM   
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If he had only LISTENED to Harriet and the CIA 'briefers' he wouldn't have been FORCED to rush the Patriot Act.

I think I read this first on the blog Shakespeare's Sister, "A sufficient level of incompetence is indistinguishable from Malice."

It is amazing; however, how many times George Bush's incompetence has resulted in MORE power for him.

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re Much Chaotica etc sickofskeaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Jul 28, 2006 6:56 AM   
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Someone DID tell Condi that someone would fly planes into buildings. Tom Clancy, reformed super Republican, wrote a book about a Muslim who painted a plane to look like AF1, crashed it it the the Capitol during a joint session of Congress, killing all but the designated person who was to stay away in that event. In Nelson DeMilles' book the fake AF1 was deflected and crashed in a field. Ed McBain's book had a ship loaded with a volitile chemical destined to sail to the closest pier to the WTC and explode. Fortunately it too failed. Another author also had a book with the same theme but I was surfieted and didn't read it.

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» Thanks for your post Posted by: anarchosyndicalist
» RE: Thanks for your post sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
RE: America:Freedom to Fascism
Posted by: COC on Jul 28, 2006 7:13 AM   
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I haven't seen the movie, but from what I saw in the trailers, I think it grossly inaccurate, particularly with respect to the income tax. There are some scenes where the question is asked, "show me the law" referring to the income tax, another, where someone states the tax is unconstitutional because not apportioned. Wrong! The authority for the tax is the 16th Amendment to the Constitution: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

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» RE: America:Freedom to Fascism Posted by: rockpicker
» RE: America:Freedom to Fascism Posted by: makeadifference
GIGO
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Jul 28, 2006 7:20 AM   
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Articles like this one are the result of one accepting and drawing conclusions from a false premise. (Garbage In, Garbage Out) It's no wonder so many are disgusted with politics. The lies are so deep and it seems you have to believe so many lies to be a "political insider".

I used to be in the same predicament as this author. I was trying to draw conclusions based on the flawed premises surrounding 9/11. And there are many... the incompetence theory, blowback, radical islam, etc

But none of that really makes any logical sense. Take the incompetence theory. We were running multiple wargame exercises on the morning of 9/11. That would seem to indicate that our intelligence was right on. What other conclusion is there? That those drills were a smokescreen? Heavens no, that would be a conspiracy theory!

And what about the need for homeland security and domestic spying? Did we need any of that to tell us Atta had an expired visa? It seems the lines between incompetence and criminal negligence became all wavy on 9/11.

And what is this about radical islam? Are radical islamists poisoning our troops with DU? Are radical islamists killing 40,000 of us each year on our highways? Are radical islamists the reason 2 million have died or left Iraq since 1991? Radical islam is pretty damn low on the threat list. Thanks to DU, our own damn government has killed more of our soldiers than all the islamists, radical or not. But that was just a conspiracy theory ten years ago. Now it's a "nothing". Not even talked about. Doesn't even matter. And the reason lung cancer is up 5x is because of what? Increased second hand smoke? lol. I bet the author thinks so. See, it's nonsense, and rational minds cannot look past logic and buy the crap this government shovels onto us.

The author of this article is trying to exist in this tiny little buffer zone between logic and conspiracy. You have to think logically about 9/11 (unless you want to sound as nonsensical as a Bushite) but if you think TOO logically you end up in the land of loony conspiracy. So certain limits on logic must be placed. After a while, this just becomes so obvious, though the author no doubt remains completely ignorant of it. It actually can be pretty funny, listening to people try to reason their way out of the impossible. Even here in the comment section, you can see it. "WE NEED A RE-ENFORCED COCKPIT DOOR WITH A LOCK". Isn't that a fine example of this buffer-zone logic? I mean, sheesh... wouldn't the hijackers just use their box cutters to cut a hole in the door? And wouldn't Bushites believe that story too?

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» wild purple elephants... Posted by: thoughtcriminal
» RE: GIGO Posted by: COC
» RE: GIGO Posted by: FedererFan
O.K. – Let's Look at ALL the 9/11 Facts. . .
Posted by: monkeywrench on Jul 28, 2006 8:09 AM   
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From the article:
"In the process, they [Democrats] are regrounding America's national security debate in facts, rather than dishonest rhetoric."

Well, maybe not all the facts – like the fact that it is impossible to rig for demolition a building the size of WTC 7 in less than eight hours, as was claimed when it was brought down. Why don't we look at the implcations of that building being rigged for demolition BEFORE the 9/11 attack, which logic dictates had to be the case? Because once you accept this fact, it puts the lie to everything surrounding the attack on that infamous day, and to the criminals responsible, who have sold a fairy tale to the ever-trusting american people.

Come on, Democrats, the public can handle the truth; what it will not be able to handle is our slow-but-steady slide into Fascism at the hands of the current administration.

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» Whuh? Posted by: Joshua Holland
» Larry Silverstein Posted by: kellysgarden
» RE: Larry Silverstein Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Larry Silverstein Posted by: MyLeftFoot
» "who we are" link Posted by: aurora2484
» RE: Whuh? Posted by: MyLeftFoot
American sycophants for government are killing this country.
Posted by: jreinhart1 on Jul 28, 2006 8:13 AM   
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The people that have acted like sycophants to government propaganda have helped turn this country into a Secret State that is able to twist people's opinions using constant fear, uncertainty and doubt. America is moving far away from being a country of freedom or liberty.

If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.

-Thomas Jefferson

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I don't know who is to answer, but........
Posted by: CovertRage on Jul 28, 2006 8:49 AM   
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........... we sure as hell is hot pay for it everyday through wars, famines, natural disasters, loss of home and income, loss of freedom, loss of national dignity and standing, and a lesser quality of life all the way around. We are nothing but much worse for the wear of this insufferable garment of our own naked agreession. What's frightening is that I suspect we haven't suffered quite like we are about to be put through that hell of our personal making.

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They will lose again
Posted by: citizenjoe on Jul 28, 2006 9:36 AM   
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Too bad isn't it? Look at them taken in by the "war on terror" myth. They aint got a prayer.

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RE: What a Dumbass Question
Posted by: granz on Jul 28, 2006 9:48 AM   
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Good Boy, drink the juice, drink the juice, Reagan would be so proud of you.

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RE: What a Dumbass Question
Posted by: babs on Jul 28, 2006 10:54 AM   
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hilarious stuff - and such erudite observations. betweentheeyes is mostly air, or perhaps a rocket surgeon...

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RE: What a Dumbass Question
Posted by: CovertRage on Jul 28, 2006 11:02 AM   
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That practically presupposes that 11.SEP.2001 WTC was an inside job in the making for more than one administration to bring us to where we are right now - in a fascist police state, ruled by a shadow constituency of the ruling elite. And, that ain't at all dumbass. That, partner, is scary.

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RE: What a Dumbass Question
Posted by: anarchosyndicalist on Jul 28, 2006 11:33 AM   
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You should preface that remark with American tax payer funded, CIA trained and armed Radical Islamists. While you're at it lets not forget to thank Reagan and his cronies for Iran Contra.
If you want to react that's fine, but if you want some information that will help to add some historical content to your American Foreign Policy viewpoint I suggest checking out:
Sins of Statecraft: The War on Terror Exposed :: Theories on Militarism and Prospects for Transformation ::
by Brian Bogart
Published Thursday July 20 2006

Here's an excerpt from a very well researched and fully cited paper. Please note that I have removed the citation refrence numbers here.
"Back to 1979, the year that international terrorism found a new incarnation through consolidation of converging interests and the “war on terror” was conceived. On January 21, 1979, 170 admirals and generals published a letter to President Carter in major US newspapers, calling for US military superiority over the Soviet Union, the recognition of Israel’s strategic value and the reinforcement of its military capabilities, and a final renunciation of détente. Around June of 1979, according to Zbigniew Brzezinski, “The United States launched a covert operation to bolster anticommunist guerrillas in Afghanistan at least six months before the 1979 Soviet invasion of that country. We did not push the Russians into invading, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.” The US had actively recruited Afghan warlords to form terrorist groups, forcing the USSR to conduct a full-scale invasion in December to counter the US destabilization program. Among the methods used by the US in this program was the production and distribution of textbooks to schools (madrassas) promoting the war-values of murder and fanaticism, fostering a generation steeped in violence.
The US government ‘in collusion with Pakistan’s leaders took abusive advantage of the opportunity…to rule out the creation of any responsible and independent organization among Afghans…in complete disregard to the Afghan people’s sovereignty and sacrifices.
In other words, the United States once again crushed a democratic uprising, resulting in the occupation of Afghanistan by Soviet forces, and allowing the US to form its own resistance group against the occupation. This is where the bin Laden family became deeply involved. The family helped fund the rebellion, and enthusiastically supported Osama bin Laden’s decision to join the struggle.
Between July 2 and July 5, 1979, in Nafeez Ahmed’s words from his book "The War on Truth," citing Philip Paull’s brilliant 1982 thesis on the organized reinvention of international terrorism, “a group of powerful elites from various countries gathered at an international conference in Jerusalem to promote and exploit the idea of ‘international terrorism.’ The (Jerusalem) conference (on International Terrorism, or JCIT) established the ideological foundations for the ‘war on terror.’ JCIT’s defining theme was that international terrorism constituted an organized political movement whose ultimate origin was in the Soviet Union. All terrorist groups were ultimately products of, and could be traced back to, this single source, which—according to the JCIT—provided financial, military, and logistical assistance to disparate terrorist movements around the globe. The mortal danger to Western security and democracy posed by the worldwide scope of this international terrorist movement required an appropriate worldwide anti-terrorism offensive, consisting of the mutual coordination of Western military intelligence services.”

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» RE: What a Dumbass Question Posted by: anarchosyndicalist
» Here's the link by the way Posted by: anarchosyndicalist
» RE: Here's the link by the way Posted by: Conservasaurus
Best Link in my opinion
Posted by: Christie on Jul 28, 2006 2:16 PM   
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The best link, in my opinion, is 9/11trith.org

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» Please check the citation Posted by: coldeye
» RE: Please check the citation Posted by: Conservasaurus
typo correction/ best link
Posted by: Christie on Jul 28, 2006 2:18 PM   
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The best link, in my opinion is: 9/11truth.org

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» thank you Posted by: coldeye
Shut Down the Feds totally.
Posted by: coldeye on Jul 28, 2006 4:08 PM   
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sirota is correct when he says that just throwing money at defense programs doesn't make for a better defense. Most of the money goes to salaries of people who otherwise might be unemployed. In other words, cut defense spending significantly and you get mass unemployment in the defense establishment, soldiers, sailers, civilians who work for DOD and NSA, and the millions of jobs in the private sector that rely on defense spending. Naive idealists will say many of these folks can be put to work manufacturing or improving hydrogen energy cells or whatever, but transition takes a while and whose to say many replacement work wouldn't be shipped overseas (who is making most of the hybird cars these days?).

What Sirota being a good Alternet progressive didn't also say is that his logic works for most other federal programs that don't rely on direct cash transfer to beneficiaries(like Social Security). Hundreds of billions of dollars since 1965 have produced an education system inferior to the system that existed prior to large federal aid and racial integration. Massive spending on special ed does nothing to improve test scores of special ed kids, nothing to prevent disabilities(which are rocketing, thus driving up the cost of education). The federal agriculture program is a welfare program for wealthy farmers and some landowners who are not even farmers. Medicare is a subsidy program for wealthy doctors and specialists (why don't liberals ever denounce rich doctors? There is something smelly about becoming wealthy off the misery of others!)

Most of the Federal Govt should be shut down, the doors locked, the land and buildings given to local communities for schools, training centers and parks. the unemployed federal employees can starve. they basically have been paid for doing nothing of value for years.

Everybody has their pet project. Mine are national parks. I like Park Rangers. they should keep doing what they are doing and maybe some of the laid off soldiers can be trained to help patrol and maintain the undermaintained parks.

Highway and transportation subsidies of course should be stopped and users should pay the full cost of transporting themselves.

If Iraq wants Americans to protect it, let it hire US mercenaries.

Oh yes. All the trillions saved should be used to pay off the US debt. Interest rates will collapse, foreign investment in the US will soar, and new jobs created. Any $ left over mailed to taxpayers.

No war on drugs. No "aid" for Columbia, tsunami victims, Zionists, Egyptian military officers, Afghan drug dealers or companies doing business anywhere in the world.

Abolish payroll taxes.

And to clear up any misunderstandings, NOT A PENNY for Katrina "victims", or for the City of New Orleans which unfortunately was not totally inundated with waters of Noah-like proportions.

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Some alternative consipracy theories
Posted by: polyquat50 on Jul 28, 2006 4:19 PM   
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Some alternative conspiracy theories:
1. The engineers thought they were designing a building that would withstand a the impact of a jumbo jet, but got the maths/models wrong and stuffed up.
2. The engineers did design a building to withstand the impact of a jumbo jet, but the usual graft, incompetence, shortcutting that goes on on building sites ensured that the building that was built was not the one that was designed.

Either of these scenarios would require a cover-up, no-one wants to put Amerikan incompetence on display (we all know it’s there anyway). But it’s just possible that the engineers, designers, builders, contractors all did the job they were meant to anyway. All buildings have to come down eventually; it would make sense to design them to come down safely from the beginning, especially if they are as big as the WTC was.

You already have the worst, nastiest, most vile gubbermint in the whole world, bar none; you don’t have to pin this on them.

Decades ago, I remember hearing a set of statistics – not all at once, over a period of years. Around 11% of Americans believe in a flat earth, and around 11% of Americans believe we are visited by UFOs. I came to the conclusion that you could come up with any stupid, hair-brained idea, and 11% of Americans would believe it. Now I think this figure may be growing.

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» Satan? Posted by: coldeye
Remember
Posted by: robchapman on Jul 28, 2006 4:49 PM   
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Smoking ruins of iconic American buildings.
A foreign plot to decapitate American Industryand Military leaves thousands dead.
The US President is placed on a plane and routed from base to base to assure that he is not attacked by unknown terrorists.
The Vice President of the US goes into hiding.
Millions of American school children are horrified by true images of people leaping out skyscrpers to escape fiery death as a result of a foreign attack.
It can't happen here?
On 9/11/01 IT DID!!!!
The PERPETRATORS OF THESE CRIMES ARE TO A LARGE EXTENT STILL AT LARGE AND UNPUNISHED.

WHY?

Not ONE SINGLE AMERICAN OFFICIAL HAS BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE MANIFEST FAILURE THAT OCCURRED THAT DAY.

WHY?

Give the GOP more time in office and those questions will never be answered.

Robert Chapman
Brooktondale, NY

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» Democrats are Worms Too Posted by: coldeye
» RE: emember sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
C-Span Sat. @ 8PM 7/29/06
Posted by: mite on Jul 28, 2006 6:15 PM   
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Check out c-span 1 on Sat. at 8pm 7/29/06. Alex Jones www.infowars.org and others present evidence that it was not as the 911 commission reported in their book.

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» RE: C-Span Sat. @ 8PM 7/29/06 sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
» RE: C-Span Sat. @ 8PM 7/29/06 Posted by: SALLY EVANS
World Trade Center Building 7! No planes! No bombs! No fires!
Posted by: HeadsUp on Jul 28, 2006 6:23 PM   
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Building 7 imploded onto it's own footprint in less than 10 seconds. Freefall speed. Seven hours after WTC1 and WTC2 fell. (They too fell at freefall speed into their own footprint.)

During WWII the world asked how the German people could let Hitler do the things he did. Guess what. Bush is the new Hitler and we are all just being Good Germans.

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NEO-FRAUD @ AMERIKA CORP
Posted by: Hal on Jul 28, 2006 7:57 PM   
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Truth and what the good little sheep are given to believe are rarely the same things

911 cover-up has made fools and criminals of all who protect it by default or participation.

And to claim as some do that daring to believe anything outside transparent lies by corporate toadies of our DC-MSM whorehouse is giving an election to the “Republicans” is laughable.

Both parties are wholly owned prostitutes for the same cartel fraud. They have officially been so since America was taken over by a private bank monopoly in 1913. That’s the year the unconstitutional “Federal Reserve” Corporation cartel (never “federal” and minus any “reserves” but a shakedown sting) was given the fiat power to force-feed worthless counterfeit to the suckers for real debt and interest.

911 is the Eveready lynchpin that a DC-MSM puppet complex uses on behalf of “war on terror” Inc. cartel corporate rule. An old blood money extortion policy now foisted from America to the Big Oil fields of Iraq War Corp. and on to Eurasia.

All the rest is bad Kabuki theatre put on for blowback patsies – a kind of “Fear Factor” psyops that taxes the gullible. Sad to say there are still more naïve people on sites like this than any other kind of personality. Sadder still, many of these ID themselves as savvy “leftwing” or “rightwing” players with about as much grasp on reality as a child in a sandbox.

There remains an outside hope the sheep will rise up. Dreams diehard…

http://www.freedomtofascism.com

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/creature.htm
http://www.wealth4freedom.com/creature_Chapter_10.htm
http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-hitler.html
http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/best_enemy/
http://www.mises.org/content/mnr.asp

“THE RULING CLASS HAS THE SCHOOLS AND PRESS UNDER ITS THUMB. THIS ENABLES IT TO SWAY THE EMOTIONS OF THE MASSES.”
DOCTOR ALBERT EINSTEIN (Nobel Laureate and refugee from Nazi fascism. 1879-1955)

“THE END OF DEMOCRACY AND THE DEFEAT OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION WILL OCCUR WHEN GOVERNMENT FALLS INTO THE HANDS OF LENDING INSTITUTIONS AND MONEYED INCORPORATIONS.”
PRESIDENT THOMAS JEFFERSON (a founder of America in condemnation of a global bank cartel, 1743-1826)

"THE REAL TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, AS YOU AND I KNOW, THAT A FINANCIAL ELEMENT IN THE LARGER CENTERS HAS OWNED THE GOVERNMENT EVER SINCE THE DAYS OF ANDREW JACKSON.”
PRESIDENT FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT (describing cartel rule in a letter to handler “Colonel” Edward M. House who was a prime confidence man for the elite corporate cartel money power and a founder of the Council on Foreign Relations. Edward House also handled President Woodrow Wilson and so the creation of an unconstitutional, private bank monopoly better known as the “Federal Reserve” Corporation and its IRS (collection agency) in 1913. FDR speaks of financial monopolists of the global banking cartel centers of New York & London that own the U.S. Government. November 21st, l933)

“IF YOU WANT TO BE THE SLAVES OF [PRIVATE CARTEL] BANKS AND PAY THE COST OF YOUR OWN SLAVERY, THEN LET THE BANKS CREATE MONEY…”
SIR JOSIAH STAMP (Governor of the Bank of England and the 2nd richest individual in Britain. A man in service to the Rothschilds.1920)

“BRITAIN IS THE SLAVE OF AN INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL BLOC.”
BRITISH PRIME MINISTER DAVID LLOYD GEORGE (on the money cartel June 20, 1934)

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» Any proof? Posted by: thinkprogress
» RE: Any proof? Posted by: Hal
» RE: Any proof? Posted by: thinkprogress
» RE: Any proof? Posted by: dennyduke@earthlink.net
» RE: Any proof? Posted by: Hal
Muslim animal fly planes into buildings and crazy Americans blame their own government! Allah laugh
Posted by: thinkprogress on Jul 28, 2006 8:35 PM   
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What a good think Muslim animals have going for themselves. They fly planes into out buildings and crazies blame their own government for doing it! LOL!!!! Hilarious. Definition of idiocy.

The Muslim animals aren't even that stupid. We bomb in Iraq and Afghanistan and not even the terrorist bacon brains blame their own government.

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» RE: Muslim animal Posted by: zipper696
Gaining Steam
Posted by: flyingfish on Jul 28, 2006 9:30 PM   
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C-Span Airing Of L.A. Conference Shows Mainstreaming Of 9/11 Truth
Fresh injection of credibility advances movement

Paul Joseph Watson | July 28 2006

A decision that many of us were waiting on with baited breath - C-Span's scheduling of the American Scholars Symposium highlights - infuses the 9/11 truth movement with a fresh injection of credibility and exposure to more mainstream audiences.
The panel features incredible presentations by 9/11 Scholars for Truth founder James Fetzer, BYU Physics Professor Steven Jones, President of the Institute for Space and Security Studies Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret., Filmmaker and Radio Broadcaster Alex Jones, and Terrorism Expert Webster Tarpley.
C-Span viewers will witness what many consider to be the most hard hitting conference to date including the most professional and credible speakers ever assembled.
Many have expressed a degree of frustration that some quarters of the 9/11 truth movement are not as bold in their stance when drawing conclusions about 9/11 evidence as is necessary to make an impact. The American Scholars Symposium was crystal clear in its summation that 9/11 represents an inside job carried out by criminal elements within the US government. The deliberate implosion of the twin towers and Building 7 allied with the reversal of routine air defense procedures leave no other explanation than the fact that the attack was a self-inflicted wound.

Preaching to the choir is a method best left in the past and the C-Span airing is a positive step towards reaching out and educating those who remain in the dark about the staggering volume of evidence which clearly indicates that the official story behind 9/11 is a fraud.
The distinction, background and high esteem of the speakers at the conference, coupled with C-Span's notable reputation as a bellwether of the mainstream body politic, provides for a perfect symbiosis to advance the credibility and critical acclaim of the 9/11 truth movement as something far weightier and more influential than a cadre of conspiracy theorists - a label still peddled by fading elements of the blowhard establishment press.
It is crucial that everyone see this historic panel discussion on C-SPAN. Tell your friends and family, email colleagues, and post links on message boards. This is an incredible step in spreading the word about the truth about 9/11. It is vital that you focus your educational efforts solely on those who are still unaware of cover-up pertaining to 9/11.
The program will air on C-SPAN 1 at 8PM EST (7PM CST) on Saturday, July 29th and then air again for the West Coast at 11pm EST (10pm CST). You can watch the program online at the times stated above by clicking here.
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See also: 9/11 blogger

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Gaining Steam 2
Posted by: flyingfish on Jul 28, 2006 9:40 PM   
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9/11 Symposium: Professor Steven Jones
Professor Steven Jones gives an illustrated keynote speech about the role of incendiary devices used in the destruction of the twin towers and Building 7. Jones has often been cited as the torch carrier for a newly defined 9/11 movement characterized by science, common sense and credibility.

9/11 Symposium: Lt. Col. Bob Bowman
In this presentation Bowman discusses the ignorance surrounding the events of 9/11 and its aftermath and details the NORAD cover-up surrounding intercept procedures that were not properly executed on that day - drawing from his own experience as an Air Force pilot and his Ph.D. in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Cal-Tech.

9/11 Symposium: Professor Jim Fetzer
Fetzer details the implausible collapse of the twin towers according to the melting point of steel in comparison with the temperature of jet fuel. This 78-minute high quality presentation also covers the controversy at the Pentagon in depth with slides to accompany the discussion.

William Rodriguez: 9/11 Hero
Rodriguez passionately engages the audience and discusses the relentless media circus that followed him in the days after 9/11 and his eyewitness accounts of explosions in the underground basement levels of the towers.

THIS WILL AIR ON THE MAIN C-SPAN CHANNEL!
SAT 7/29 8 & 11 PM EST

Notify Friends & Family, especially those yet to be clued in.

Pass this around Boards & Blogs

For some of the more stubborn members of the tribe, or the so-called "blue pillers," seeing this information on the
TEE VEE, may help them in understanding.

= )

Peace

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Define The Debate
Posted by: sunlakedude on Jul 28, 2006 9:52 PM   
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The mistake the Dems have made and continue to make is allowing the Repugs to define the issues and terms of debate. When all they do is "answer" the Republicans misleading, assinine attacks they fall into a tricky trap. The Dems seem always to be on the defensive. With what we have endured since 2000, we, the Opposition should be laying out the issues and going on the offensive, not constantly explaining ourselves and being wishy-washy. Does anyone feel the same way that I do?

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» Yes, but... Posted by: Sojourner
Principle of leadership
Posted by: Fang-Face Dreamweaver on Jul 29, 2006 5:07 AM   
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There's a principle of leadership that goes: You're in charge, it's your fault.

George Bush was the president, he was in charge, it's his fault.

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U.S. foreign policy
Posted by: BlueHorizon on Jul 29, 2006 9:16 AM   
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U.S. foreign policy put simply is don't do as we do, do as we say.
Oh, and another thing, like Noam says “ if you want to stop terrorism, stop participating in it”.

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» RE: U.S. foreign policy sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
darby1936
Posted by: darby1936 on Jul 29, 2006 3:32 PM   
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Brown needs to hammer Dewine for the Intelligence Committees' lack of oversight. We invade a country on faulty intelligence (or cherry picked) take your pick. Over 2500 lives and 300 billion dollars later and we are losing in Iraq and the Middle East is in flames. Its hard to see how Rove, Dewine or anyone else can ask for votes on that record. There are some cowardly Dems who are afraid they will be thought soft on protecting our country and they deserve to lose. But the Republicans own this fiasco.

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No Intelligence Failure sickofsleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Jul 29, 2006 8:27 PM   
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If Bush were complicit in 9/11, it would explain the First Fuehrer's absence while buildings were collapasing like houses of cards while people jumped from windows to avoid incineration and later ran screaming for their lives in the streets. I kept expecting a statement of reassurance from our fearless leader but figured he was under the bed of AF1, hiding from the terrorists. Then afer I read he was being accused of boozing I decided he was drunked out. Another puzzle was why he crow-hopped from Florida to Louisiana to NORAD to SAC hq then finally to DC but put it down to he figured it was safe by then and that Rove had dreamed up a lie to cover his a--. Would that also explain why the Pentagon is never mentioned? Or the landing ing in the field in Pa? I have always thought the people in the Pentagon got short shrift, they were just as dead as the others.

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Who's to blame? That's easy the US gov't.
Posted by: Reader11722 on Jul 29, 2006 10:35 PM   
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9/11 was an inside job by the Neo-cons. They used the false-flag event to clamp down on our rights by stealing private lands, caging protestors, pressuring Amazon to drop the book "America Deceived" by E.A. Blayre III, illegally wire-tapping phones, torture, and illegal searches. The neo-cons will not stop until we are under One World Gov't.
Final link (before Google Books caves to neo-con pressure):
America Deceived - Book

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little pax but lots of money for the corporate and military fat boys
Posted by: chrisp. on Jul 30, 2006 1:15 PM   
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There's been very little pax in contemporary history not because of chaos taking over but a very deliberate long term strategy to keep the world's military hotspots in the headlines as the war machine is one of the world's biggest, if not the biggest money making machine. Just look at who's pulling the strings in the us government who's always been in there when it comes to being actively involved in or financing and providing military equipment in most of our world's military conflicts since ww1. Cheney and Halliburton, his wife who sits on the board of one of the most important defence contractors, Karl Rove and his stake in Boeing- makers of the Apache helicopters and I would say most of the Republican and Democratic congressmen who've been bought up by the military-industrial complex. Didn't one of your outgoing Presidents (Eisenhower I believe) warn you of the nature of the beast in his farewell speech?
With all the potential earnings of a new war in the world's 2nd largest oilfield -Iraq- (what a coincidence -no petrol in Sudan nor in Northern Korea) an event like 911 sure did go a long way into conning the American people (or should I say tv audience) into going into yet another war on false premises and renewed hopes for the military industrial complex.
What a con job! Contemporary history is written by these bastards...

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Just a few questions...
Posted by: Cincy911Truth on Jul 31, 2006 3:19 AM   
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1. A record number of "put options" (bets that the price of a stock would drop) were placed just prior to 9-11 on American Airlines, United Airlines and Morgan Stanley (who leased 22 floors in the World Trade Center (WTC)). The CIA monitors stock trading in "real-time". Many of these "put options" have been traced back to the investment firm of A. B. Brown-Deutche Bank. No one can place trades anonymously, so why hasn't the CIA, FBI or the SEC investigated these transactions further and determined who purchased these put options? Who is this person and how did they have prior knowledge of the attacks?

2. Why didn't the 9-11 Commission mention the Air Force wargames on 9/11: Vigilant Guardian, Vigilant Warrior, Northern Guardian, Northern Vigilance and the fact that they drew most of the air defense away from the East Coast region on that day?

3. If the 9-11 Commission actually had been informed of the Able Danger project (tracking the terrorists, including Mohammed Atta) several times, why wasn't any of that covered in their report?

4. Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds gave three and a half hours of behind closed door testimony to the 9-11 Commission. Why did the Commission only write one sentence about her testimony (in a footnote) and why is she under a gag order not to talk about what she knows?

5. Why did President Bush tell the FBI to back off investigating both the Saudi government and the bin Laden family in early 2001?

6. In the first Congressional Report on 9-11, why were 28 pages covering the subject of Saudi Arabia and their ties to funding terrorist groups redacted from the final report?

7. There were multiple conflict of interest issues involving most (if not all) of the 9-11 Commission members. From their ties to the CIA, Saudi Arabia, and the Bush administration to investments in the oil industry. Why were no questions asked?

8. Why was President George W. Bush allowed to remain in the elementary school after Andrew Card whispered to him that the second WTC tower had been struck and that "America was under attack"? Why did Mr. Bush remain sitting in the classroom and continue to listen to children reading a book after he was informed? Why didn't he immediately leave to contact the Pentagon and direct NORAD to alert fighter jets to fly a protective perimeter over NYC and Washington and to intercept all hijacked airliners? Why were no fighter jets scrambled until about 90 minutes after the first plane (Flight 11) was identified as being hijacked?

9. Why didn't the Secret Service immediately take Mr. Bush out of danger to a safe place? If America was under attack and two planes had already crashed into the Twin Towers, why did the Secret Service feel the President was safe in a public school building? His trip to the Booker Elementary School was well publicized to the general public and media.

10. How was Flight 77 allowed to continue on it's course towards Washington DC while Vice President Dick Cheney sat in the President's Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) and was informed of it's direction and given reports about the plane being 50 miles out, 30 miles out, 10 miles out? (See Norman Mineta's 9/11 Commission Testimony) The Pentagon is armed with anti-aircraft batteries surrounding the entire complex. Why were no defensive measures taken?

11. Why hasn't the Pentagon released any video of Flight 77 striking the Pentagon? A nearby Sheraton Hotel and a gas station had video that would have shown the area of the Pentagon that was struck. These videos were confiscated by the FBI shortly after the Pentagon was hit and have never been released.

12. What happened to all of the flight recorders of the four hijacked planes that day?

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what happened to the victim's of 9/11
Posted by: frontroom on Jul 31, 2006 11:43 AM   
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There is one thing that people are not addressing about the 9/11 tragedy,what happened to all the people that was spouse to be on those planes when they the Towers,specially if they were cargo planes,what happened to all the Vistims even those that were spouse to be on the so called plane that spouse to have hit the Pentagon,that we all know was a "White Missle".when flight 93 was to have gone down in Pennsylvania,pictures from the Satellite in space showed flight 93 landing at a "Air Force Base" and the people on board were being escorted into a Building,what happened to them,because the Families think their Family Memebers were killed in all these planes....wheres the explanation for that.I think that everyone is scared to address these issue but I think that it's time for the exact truth...don't you think.

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THOSE WHO WILL ANSWER ARE THE PERPETRATORS
Posted by: xbj on Jul 31, 2006 11:51 PM   
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And the real perpetrators, as in every crime, are the ones who benefitted the most, the ones who gained the most power, the ones who made the most money off the wars that followed, and the ones who stood to gain the most and did, in fact, gain the most.

Hint: Not a dying ex-CIA asset with the proverbial Bush41 knife in the back, in a cave on the Afghani-Pakistani border. In rags. Who couldn't even use his cell phone without fear of bringing a bunker-buster on his head.

Hint: Not a certain fascist nuclear-armed country in the middle of the Mideast EITHER. They merely documented the entire op, from start to finish, to insure they wouldn't end up like Hint #1. Endless blackmail power over their "protector" state was just an additional perq.

Although now they are doing their very best to blackmail and force the US into nuking Iran and suiciding itself against the combined nuclear and non-conventional arsenals of China and Russia in the process.

They will succeed beyond their wildest expectations, to their eternal horror and chagrin.

Iran will be no more, but at the cost of the loss of the entire US.

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Wake Up
Posted by: blaklab on Aug 1, 2006 10:08 AM   
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Yes, let's continually blame the U.S. for the worlds problem. If only the former Soviet Union had won the Cold War the world would be a much happier, peaceful place and Bin Laden and his cronies would be operating a local UNICEF. The world is today what it has always been: violent and chaotic. Every powerful nation has always had an agenda and it usually is to benefit itself. When Mother Theresa comes back and leads a world power I'll expect otherwise. To constantly blame the U.S. and especially Bush is crazy. Let's go back and blame Clinton. He did'nt mind letting Bin Laden prosper or Rhawanda suffer. Let's blame the British Empire(they had a lot to do with the Middle East) Let's blame the crusaders. Let's blame the Romans for their aggressive policies. I'ts all linked. Instead let's start living in the present and realize that we are fighting a war against a fanatical enemy, where their idea of a Bill of Rights is called Sharia Law.---In WW2 we handled it well when we fought the Japanese. It was downright dirty but we won. As long as the media decides that our wars should be "fair" we will take a beating. When our Muslim friends nuke Manhattan we will see what we are made of.

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Gregory H. Ellis MD
Posted by: greghls on Aug 1, 2006 10:56 AM   
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I met David Serots in Indianpolis last week and got one his books which I think is excellent and a must read. My comment is that he pushes for local political activism. My suggestion is to improve the planetary debris of political yard signs. How about an addendum to each sign with one of several (I suggest 11) reasons to vote them off the island:

REASONS FOR VOTING DEMOCRATIC: ELEVEN PRINCIPLES OF HIGHLY COMPETENT VOTERS, or
WHY WE NEED TO VOTE THEM OFF THE ISLAND!




1. To change CEO WealthCare to Universal Health Care

2. To employ more teachers and less torture.

3. Because governing shouldn’t be a corporate garage sale.

4. Because Democrats don’t know Jack about Abramoff dealing.

5. To end the elitists’ war against the poor.

6. To reverse government of the privileged, by the privileged, and for the privileged.

7. Because we rate student interest high, not create high interest rates for students.

8. To fund stem cell research; not to stem cell research.

9. Because we’ll demand that they fund your pension!

10. Because we’ll defend the Bill of Rights.

11. War is a failure of diplomacy, not an opportunity for largesse.


Thank you, Enjoy and good luck, Greg Ellis

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