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Did Israel Attack the U.N. 'Accidentally on Purpose'?

By Ian Williams, AlterNet. Posted July 27, 2006.


Israel's recent bombing of a U.N. observation post in Lebanon is eerily similar to one 10 years ago.

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With the Israeli bombing of a U.N. camp and the killing of four U.N. peacekeepers, we really do seem to be in a "deja vu" all over again phase. Already Kofi Annan is under attack for condemning the "apparently deliberate targeting by Israeli Defense Forces of a U.N. Observer post."

It is reminiscent of the trouble his predecessor Boutros Boutros-Ghali got himself into last time the Israelis tried shock and awe on Lebanon back in 1996, when he failed to suppress a report that said pretty much the same thing about the IDF shelling of the U.N. post in Qana, which macerated some 106 Lebanese civilians to death.

It is worth remembering that of all U.N. secretaries-general, Annan has done the most to end Israel's isolation in the organization and maintained the closest relations with Israel's friends in the United States. In the end, however, he is also a secretary-general who sets great store by protecting U.N. staff, and so the palpable anger of his statement is entirely understandable.

"This coordinated artillery and aerial attack on a long-established and clearly marked U.N. post at Khiyam occurred despite personal assurances given to me by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that U.N. positions would be spared Israeli fire. Furthermore, Gen. Alain Pellegrino, the U.N. force commander in southern Lebanon, had been in repeated contact with Israeli officers throughout the day on Tuesday, stressing the need to protect that particular U.N. position from attack."

So to accept it was yet another accident presupposes a level of incompetence or insubordination in the Israeli army that should result in some serious courts-martial but never does. That feeling was doubtless exacerbated when the IDF shelled the site and prevented a rescue operation.

So what could be the motive? It is clear that there are many in the IDF with a profound contempt for the United Nations and all it stands for, and who would not shed many tears at such an accident. It may also rankle that UNIFIL has, with the dearth of Western reporters in much of southern Lebanon, provided independent corroboration of many incidents of IDF attacks on civilians. One only has to think of the fate of the USS Liberty in 1967 for being in a position to observe what the IDF was up to when the Israelis bombed and shelled an American ship for over an hour, killing 34 American sailors and wounding 170 more.

And most sinisterly of all, there are many Israelis -- including the government only a few days ago, who do not want an international force between them and their targets in Lebanon, who would have no great scruples about bombing a U.N. compound "accidentally on purpose."

This time, the "collateral damage" is not just four dead U.N. personnel. The bombing scotches any realistic chance of a reinforced U.N. or multinational peacekeeping force -- which it is worth remembering that Israel itself opposed until a few days ago, and which the war party in Israel sees as a potential obstacle to its attempts to emulate Ariel Sharon's disastrous invasion in 1982. (See the Israeli peace group Gush Shalom's ad in Ha-Aretz at the end of the article.)

Already, while many countries have endorsed the general idea of putting foreign troops on the Lebanese side of the border, there has been a complete lack of specific volunteers -- for the understandable reasons that the attack on Khiyam now so forcibly demonstrates.


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Why not listen to what an Israeli has to say?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jul 26, 2006 11:12 PM   
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This is posted at www.counterpunch.org

Nothing Good Can Come from This War
Is Beirut Burning?
By URI AVNERY
Tel Aviv.
(excerpt)

"Now it is not a secret anymore: this war has been planned for a long time. The military correspondents proudly reported this week that the army has been exercising for this war in all its details for several years. Only a month ago, there was a large war game to rehearse the entrance of land forces into South Lebanon - at a time when both the politicians and the generals were declaring that "we shall never again get into the Lebanon quagmire. We shall never again introduce land forces there." Now we are in the quagmire, and large land forces are operating in the area.

The other side, too, has been preparing this war for years. Not only did they build caches of thousands of missiles, but they have also prepared an elaborate system of Vietnam-style bunkers, tunnels and caves. Our soldiers are now encountering this system and paying a high price. As always, our army has treated "the Arabs" with disdain and discounted their military capabilities.

That is one of the problems of the military mentality. Talleyrand was not wrong when he said that "war is much too serious a thing to be left to military men." The mentality of the generals, resulting from their education and profession, is by nature force-oriented, simplistic, one-dimensional, not to say primitive. It is based on the belief that all problems can be solved by force, and if that does not work - then by more force.

That is well illustrated by the planning and execution of the current war. This was based on the assumption that if we cause terrible suffering to the population, they will rise up and demand the removal of Hizbullah. A minimal understanding of mass psychology would suggest the opposite. The killing of hundreds of Lebanese civilians, belonging to all the ethno-religious communities, the turning of the lives of the others into hell, and the destruction of the life-supporting infrastructure of Lebanese society will arouse a groundswell of fury and hatred - against Israel, and not against the heroes, as they see them, who sacrifice their lives in their defense"

So - it looks like Israel is doing the same idiotic things in Lebanon that the US did in Iraq - "shock and awe" didn't have the effect Rummy hoped for - yes, "mistakes were made". Mea culpa - and too bad about all them dead folks. Somehow, I don't think the Iraqis or the Lebanese are going to 'get over it' anytime soon. What do they call this? Blowback? Pissing into the wind? FUBAR?

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» Pitiful responses Posted by: thoughtcriminal
come on man, the whole "thats anti semitic!!" reaction is SOO 2003
Posted by: lordzombie on Jul 27, 2006 1:22 AM   
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a shred, or actually some shrapnel

JERUSALEM - Shrapnel from an Israeli artillery shell was extracted from a young Palestinian wounded in a deadly Gaza beachfront explosion earlier this month, an Israeli television report said Monday.

The privately-owned Channel 10 report cited medical sources whose findings contradicted Israel's official version of events that the explosion which killed eight Palestinian civilians was not caused by Israeli artillery.

The shrapnel was removed from a 12-year-old boy who was wounded on the beach on June 9 and then transported to a hospital in southern Israel for medical treatment, it said.

Governments lie, they have always lied, and they always will. whether jew or gentile.

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RE: Since when has a Jew hater ever needed proof?
Posted by: Colin on Jul 27, 2006 1:23 AM   
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Hmm. So shelling begins on the post in the early morning. After which the UN starts contacting the Israeli army to ask it to stop bombing. Instead, shelling continues until around, what?, 7pm, after which a precision guided (American built) missile levels the small complex. This specific outpost in question has been in Lebanon for literally years on end and is clearly marked on every single Israeli military map.

Now, clearly there is no evidence that it was deliberate. But then, given the nature of military orders - i.e. me shouting at you to do something - and the fact that the levels of beurocracy are refreshingly small (ironic given it's the one industry where completing everything in triplicate would be beneficial for everyone), exactly what kind of proof do you think you will find?

Besides, if it's not deliberate then, given the details stated in my first paragraph, clearly they are far too incompetent to manage such dangerous munitions.

PS Your racist undertones honestly turned my stomach.

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What a lying sack of s**t you are
Posted by: Sundaymonkey on Jul 27, 2006 1:29 AM   
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Remarkable. This has got to be a spoof. No one could seriously write something that divorced from reality and not be out to get laughs.

For the record:

The IDF knew exactly where that UN bunker was. It's been there for years. It's on the maps.

The UN observers sheltering in it contacted the IDF 10 times to tell them that they were being shelled. 10 times the IDF responded that they were very sorry and it wouldn't happen again.

The Irish officer appointed as liason between the UN force and the IDF forces on the ground doing the shelling contacted the attackers 6 times to tell them that they were targetting unarmed observers.

The IDF stoped shelling the bunker with mortars, and instead sent a guided missile right through the bunker's viewport to kill everyone inside.

But there's not a shred of evidence that this was done deliberately.

Like I said. Remarkable.


Oh, and not to put too fine a point on it. The only people claiming that a Palestinian mine, rather than Israeli shelling, was responsible for the murder of that family on Gaza beach are the Israeli military and Government spokesmen. After initially apologising, they held a really, really quick 'investigation' and concluded, oh so very conveniently, that it was those evil Palestinians who did it.

Needless to say, everyone else who has gone to the trouble of actually visiting the site and investigating the damage has concluded that it wasn't a mine, it was a shell fired from an Israeli gunship, at civillians, which is a war-crime.

But please, don't let the facts mess with that spaced-out little head of yours. You were getting off on screaming "Jew Hater!!!!" into the faces of everyone who lacks your Pavlovian response to Israeli war-crimes. Knock yourself out, just don't make the mistake of thinking that there's anyone with eyes to see and ears with which to hear who can fail to understand exactly where you're coming from.

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» You were fast to prove me right! Posted by: thinkprogress
RE: Since when has a Jew hater ever needed proof?
Posted by: Robinhio on Jul 27, 2006 1:55 AM   
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Yeah those jew haters always jumping to conclusions.

http://billmon.org/archives/002568.html

If you let killers investigate themselves how often do you reckon they'll find themselves guilty ?

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This Time
Posted by: aurora2484 on Jul 27, 2006 2:00 AM   
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This time the weapons are more technologically advanced (an entire city block is erased in a single strike); our sense of humanity, however, has failed to keep pace.

This time, via the Internet, we are able to hear, see and feel the anguish of our brother and sister human beings, - to feel with them the incomprehensibility of such acts in the 21st century.

This time there is a sense of the entire levelling of cities and towns and those who dwell there, as being of no consequence to the machine-minds guiding the process along the inexorable route to the next stage of their "game".
www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/
10962352/iran_the_next_war

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IMPORTANT
Posted by: superdan on Jul 27, 2006 2:23 AM   
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This diary sheds a great deal of light on this situation.
Short synopsis:
Israel was shooting at Hezbollah emplacements that were very close to the U.N. base. They tried to prove how accurate they were, and succeeded for 7 days. Then they screwed up.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/27/12626/3982

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» UN Backs off accusing Israel Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Be Honest Posted by: Vani
» RE: Be Honest Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Vani is losing it... Posted by: Conservasaurus
» People in black Coats!! Posted by: Conservasaurus
UPDATE - UN soldier from bombed post said Hezbollah fighters were "all over" the U.N. position
Posted by: thinkprogress on Jul 27, 2006 3:22 AM   
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Breaking News -
From today's NY SUN.
http://www.nysun.com/article/36860?page_no=1

A Canadian U.N. observer, one of four killed at a UNIFIL position near the southern Lebanese town of Khiyam on Tuesday, sent an e-mail to his former commander, a Canadian retired major-general, Lewis MacKenzie, in which he wrote that Hezbollah fighters were "all over" the U.N. position, Mr. MacKenzie said. Hezbollah troops, not the United Nations, were Israel's target, the deceased observer wrote.

Hess-von Kruedener wrote about heavy IDF artillery and aerial bombardment "within 2 meters of our position." The Israeli shooting, he added, "has not been deliberate targeting, but has rather been due to tactical necessity."

Mr. MacKenzie, who once commanded the U.N. troops in Bosnia, told the CBC. "What he was telling us was Hezbollah fighters were all over his position and the IDF were targeting them, and that's a favorite trick by people who don't have representation in the U.N. They use the U.N. as shields knowing that they cannot be punished for it."

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Attacking anyone, anywhere is ok. Condemning that, is not on.
Posted by: aurora2484 on Jul 27, 2006 3:38 AM   
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UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - The U.N. Security Council failed to agree on a statement late on Wednesday condemning a deadly Israeli attack on a U.N. observer post in Lebanon after the United States blocked language that appeared critical of Israel.

During a daylong debate, council members made numerous changes to a text put forward by China, which lost one of the four officers killed in the attack.
Their patience ran out when Washington demanded the deletion of language condemning "any deliberate attack against U.N. personnel."

Qatar, the council's sole Arab member, then said it needed time to consult with its government overnight, and the deliberations adjourned until Thursday morning. A policy statement needs the approval of all 15 council members.

China's U.N. ambassador, Wang Guangya, called for a strong statement of condemnation after an Israeli air attack destroyed the U.N. post in southern Lebanon on Tuesday, killing peacekeepers from Austria, Canada, China and Finland.

The attack prompted U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan to ask Israel to investigate what he termed the "apparently deliberate targeting" of the U.N. observer post.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, while expressing "deep sorrow" over the deaths and agreeing to an investigation, voiced shock at the suggestion the attack was deliberate.

Wang acknowledged it was important to preserve council unity but said the council had to show its concern for the safety of U.N. peacekeepers.

Asked whether the U.S. position might affect China's attitude toward American efforts for a resolution on Iran's nuclear program, now under negotiation, Wang indicated there might be some spillover.

"I think that all members will reflect, on what lessons, if there are any, (can be) learned from this episode," Wang said.

China's initial draft called for an immediate end to the fighting in Lebanon and referred to the "apparently deliberate targeting" of the U.N. troops by Israel.

U.S. Ambassador John Bolton said there was no evidence the attack was deliberate, and Wang agreed to take out the two phrases at a very early stage.

Hours later, U.S. envoy Molly Phee said the United States wanted language deleted expressing the council's condemnation of "any deliberate attack against U.N. personnel."

Phee filled in for Bolton who was in Washington preparing for a Senate confirmation hearing on Thursday on his nomination as U.N. ambassador.

(Additional reporting by Evelyn Leopold)

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» The Right Rant! Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Not true Posted by: russianblue1
» RE: Not true Posted by: Conservasaurus
RE: Since when has a Jew hater ever needed proof?
Posted by: Far Sight on Jul 27, 2006 4:27 AM   
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I criticise Zimbabwe for their terrible abuses. Does this make me racist and anti-black?

I criticise Uzbekistan for the torture and abuse it causes. Does this prove some racial bias on my part?

I criticise many countries for the pain and damage they cause. For disproportionate actions, for people killed needlessly and for people suffering who need not suffer. Israel is one of these countries - the fact that they have a large jewish population does not make them immune to such criticism or from people being angered and saddened by their actions.

By using the anti-semiticism charge you help no-one but the anti-semites. You rob the term of all meaning and give the REAL anti-semites a smoke screen to work behind. When a real bigoted, vile anmti-semite speaks up and we label him as what he is it means nothing - because you have destroyed the term anti-semite, you have abused and misused the term by flinging it around carelessly and rendered it useless in labelling those who truly spout hate.

I am sure the neo-nazis and their ilk thank you, but it would be short sighted of any Jew or Israeli to do so.

Far Sight

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RE: Since when has a Jew hater ever needed proof?
Posted by: HeroesAll on Jul 27, 2006 4:30 AM   
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Jew haters don't go on evidence.

This is just such tired, old, shabby propaganda. You're slipping, thinkprogress. They could have used you in World War II, either the British or the Germans. Both were fond of demonising the enemy using two-dimensional caricatures, in order to inflame hatred and stiffen resolve. Been going on for over a century, actually.

So please take your 19th century agit-prop somewhere where the folks are more likely to appreciate it. Although I can't imagine where that is. If you wish to join the adults here, then learn to discuss issues using skills such as reasoning and logic.

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5 Israeli Myths
Posted by: Arvy on Jul 27, 2006 4:50 AM   
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http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?
SectionID=107&ItemID=10643

As usual link has been split to permit posting it.

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» Ramblings Posted by: Conservasaurus
They shoot witnesses, don't they?
Posted by: numen on Jul 27, 2006 5:14 AM   
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They have a long history of attacking witnesses to their activities.

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Isaeal is no friend to the U.S.A
Posted by: marklar on Jul 27, 2006 5:26 AM   
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There will come a time when someone in America will stand up and say that the days of U.S.A.'s blind support and welfare support of Israel is at an end. Unfortunately, that day will probably be after a much crueler and wider war than what is going on now at the hands of the Neocons and their Israeli counterparts disguised as a war against terrorism. It is a crusade and a holy war.
America First! I am not an Israeli and I do not support my taxdollars going to fund Israel and its wars of Occupation and agression. I do not want Israeli agents in AIPAC spying on my country. I do not want U.S. politicians turning as blind eye to the crimes against humanity that our military commits in Iraq or that Israel commits in Lebanon or against the Palestinians. We are not Nazi Germany. Speak up!

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Sit happens
Posted by: solrev on Jul 27, 2006 5:34 AM   
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The incident makes for good politics but unfortunately, it is just irrelevant. One statistic every body should keep in mind is; Americans killed by friendly fire Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan and Iraq 2. If you are under the delusion that, there really are smart bombs you have never been in combat. Remember behind every smart bomb there is one stupid person. War games are what the military plays until it can find a real war. Remember the movie “the only winning move is not to play”. There has been progress since 1949 when Israel, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq had the first cessation of violence. Now it is Hezbollah, Palestinians, and Israel left in the game. If after this round Hezbollah can be eliminated, the Palestinians and Israel can duke it out for a while. However, they may have a chance to find a solution. Personally, I would like a Republic of Palestine solution. States made up of Israel, Gaza, West Bank, and the Goland Heights. Without economic equality in the area, war is inevitable. The two-state solution makes it a lot harder to establish economic equality. What do I know, I like Iran, Iraq and Kurdistan.

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» RE: Sit happens Posted by: maestra
RE: people use "jew Hater" when they have no credible footing to stand on
Posted by: tashi on Jul 27, 2006 5:36 AM   
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Norman Finklstein's latest book 'Beyond Chutzpah - The Misuse of Antisemitism, and the Abuse of History' is a must read for anyone sick of hearing the baseless charges of antisemitism....
Zionists have been using the charge of antisemitism to supress any logical criticism of policies of the Apartheid colony of Israel in the main stream media...Fortunately the more these charges are thrown around the less credible they become!

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Progressives are sooooooo smart!
Posted by: wdzeller on Jul 27, 2006 6:06 AM   
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Here they go again! The "Progressives" I mean. They keep running off their constituencies and are left wondering why they can't win elections and why so many folks despise them.

First, back in the 1960's, the Progressives ( some used to call them Yankees, later communists!) decided that all Southern People specifically the whites were all racists, and needed to be told so. Hmmmm, I wonder why the South went from being a Democrat stronghold to one of nearly total Republican dominance? Howard Dean certainly couldn't figure it out, ever since he made his comment down South where he basically said," it ain't about God, guns and gays" and got booed by the crowd.

Then, in the early 1980's the Progressives decided that since the evangelical Christians were voicing their opposition of their tax dollars being used to fund the very abortions that they found abhorent, that they must be held up before all to see with the most virulent contempt, and smeared in the Progressive press with anecdotes such as, " Those people are really closeted sex fiends and child molesters!" Funny, ain't it? Before 1980, the voting demographics of the evangelical Christians were similar to the rest of the U.S. population; that is, no political party held a "lock" on their votes. Well that sure isn't true anymore, is it?

Now, turn to 2006 and the Progressives are spewing forth a very old sort of venom wrapped up in new garb against another of their constituency groups. That old venom is no less than anti-semitism, and the current group is no less than American Jews. All I can say boys is keep it up! When the Jews take their votes and their very lush campaign contributions over to the Republican Party, the Democrat Party will be totally fucked!

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» Giw us ut Anti Semitic? Posted by: Vani
Good Grief, you infant!!
Posted by: russianblue1 on Jul 27, 2006 6:07 AM   
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Posting at 12:05am? Are you stalking this website? Too bad you lost this time - you only got the second place post, LOSER!!!

Damn, you need to get a girlfriend, boyfriend, inflatable doll, or WHATEVER gets you off to keep you occupied at midnight instead of pounding out facsist, neocon remarks on your computer keyboard. I, for one, (and I'm sure the rest of the posters on Alternet) would appreciate it if you could release some of that tension that comes (no pun intended!) screaming out of your EVERY comment. I got an idea! Give Frankenfurter a call - he'll help you "relieve your sexual tensions". ;)

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5 Israeli Myths
Posted by: Arvy on Jul 27, 2006 6:13 AM   
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Found this:

"This week I had the pleasure to appear on American radio, on the Laura Ingraham show, pitted against David Horowitz, a “Semite supremacist” who most recently made his name under the banner of Campus Watch, leading McCarthyite witch-hunts against American professors who have the impertinence to suggest that maybe, just maybe, Arabs have minds and feelings like the rest of us.

It was a revealing experience, at least for a British journalist rarely exposed to the depths of ignorance and prejudice in the United States on Middle East matters -- well, apart from the regular whackos who fill my email in-tray. But five minutes of listening to Horowitz speak, and the sympathy with which his arguments were greeted by Laura (“The Professors -- your book’s a great read, David”), left me a lot more frightened about the world’s future."

Full article by Jonathan Cook at:
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?
SectionID=107&ItemID=10643

As usual link has been split to permit posting it.

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» RE: 5 Israeli Myths Posted by: marklar
Busted on beach scenario!!
Posted by: russianblue1 on Jul 27, 2006 6:19 AM   
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I busted "thinkprogress" a couple of days ago with this proof, using his own "evidence against him and providing updated material! Check it out:

Russianblue1: Some of the sites listed below have reporting on them that is older than the June 13th date in the CNN story you cite. Also, the CNN story you cite, in the second paragraph, states "However, in Gaza, the group Human Rights Watch said the evidence it has been able to gather suggests that a 155 mm artillery shell, like the type used by the Israeli military, was responsible." As investigations move forward, you must take the new evidence and adjust your opinion.

usatoday.com/news/world/2006-06-14-gaza-blast_x.htm

thinkprogress response: You can take the word of the terrorist animals who strap bombs to their children and believe you get 72 virgins for killing Jews if you would like.

But is is pretty amazing they 'knew' it was an israeli shell seconds after it occured. Must be the power of Allah.


Personally, I thought it was pretty funny he labels USA Today a "terrorist animal"!!!

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» HRW links to back that Posted by: brunowe
Ambulances targeted (and other relief efforts)
Posted by: aurora2484 on Jul 27, 2006 6:24 AM   
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"At least 10 ambulances have been hit in Israeli air strikes, resulting in the deaths of more than a dozen civilian passengers – many on their way to the hospital."

The vehicles were "clearly marked by the medical emblem and flashing lights that were visible at a great distance."

www.antiwar.com/glantz/?articleid=9410

www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/
0,21985,19918297-5005961,00.html

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» Huffington Post TROLL Posted by: russianblue1
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» RE: Huffington Post TROLL Posted by: marklar
Nothing unusual for Zionist Israel
Posted by: Thorrific on Jul 27, 2006 6:36 AM   
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Facts of history support Annan's assertion that the attack was deliberate.
Ignorant people need to google "King David Hotel" , "Lavon Affair" , and "USS Liberty".
Those sure are some incredible (meaning : not credible) allies that the USA and Britian have in Zionist Israel!!!!

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» manufacturing anti-semites Posted by: cold2touch
A Master Baiter
Posted by: srqwolf on Jul 27, 2006 7:00 AM   
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As tempting as it is to give these knee-jerk pro zionist cyber cretins the toungue lashings that they so clearly deserve, it is probably a better strategy to ignore them. Otherwise, you end up with these long meandering flames than fill up space and distract from the thread of intelligent commentary.

I am as guilty as anyone here of falling prey to the tempation to whack them verbally. But, they cannot be reasoned with, are impervious to argument, tone-deaf to either moral suation or ridicule. They just want to provoke someone into an angry response that they will then hold up as evidence of anti-Semitism. I say - let them stew in their own lubricant.

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Enough infighting already!
Posted by: xbj on Jul 27, 2006 7:08 AM   
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Look. This is simple. The dividing line between the Jewish left and the rest of the left in this country and in Israel is going to be this:

Whether or not someone, in all good conscience, can accept the fascist unilateral genocidal actions of "their" government, and all the utter bullshit and lies those governments spew and millions they spend to by the mass media to convince people of those lies and bullshit that war is necessary and killing is OK "because the other side started it first."

BOTH governments of the US and Israel are fascist: BOTH governments of the US and Israel start and fight moneyminting wars of conquest for their economies and economic windfall for the elite; BOTH governments of the US and Israel attack their own people to mobilize the population for their endless wars against an enemy that can never be won, "terrorism", because each attack creates more enemy EXPONENTIALLY. It's not about ending terrorism and forging peace; it's about RAPING MONEY FROM TAXPAYERS in an ENDLESS SCAM.

Both governments of the US and Israel are not democratically elected governments, but are run by military/offense contracting cabals that merely revolve puppet leaders with the real power being concentrated in secondary and tertiary offices, that control the vote through HACKED VOTING TALLIES.

The US and Israel ARE the Nazi Germany and Italy of today, only with a differnet target, and more power and firepower than those countries could ever have dreamed of in their wildest, sickest imaginations. And with a more horrific goal than merely taking over the world: TO NEVER WIN THEIR WARS, BUT NOT LOSE THEM EITHER; JUST HAVE THE GRAVY TRAIN of DEATH AND DESTRUCTION OF INNOCENT PEOPLE GO ON INDEFINITELY.

And no, the Israeli people are no more responsible for the fascist actions of their governments than are the American people... anyone believing the 90% polls supporting Israel's current action has got mush for brains, because their polls are even more rigged than US polls.

So let's stop infighting amongst ourselves. The enemy is not Hamas, or Hezbollah, nor "the vast Jewish conspiracy", nor THE INNNOCENT MEN, WOMEN, AND CHILDREN OF LEBANON.

The enemy is our own governments; let us NEVER FORGET THIS AND STAND TOGETHER AGAINST THEM.

How do we do this without impossible-to-win revolution?

Not terrorism of our own. Terrorism plays right into the enemy's hands, allowing their endless crusade to go on forever.

No, by taking a page from Ghandi. BY LAYING DOWN ALL OUR ARMS, EVERY LAST ONE OF US, AND REFUSING TO KILL.

EVER.

If we do not do this, mark my words; these bastards WILL END THE WORLD, and far sooner than anyone thinks POSSIBLE.

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RE: Since when has a Jew hater ever needed proof?
Posted by: bogglesthemind on Jul 27, 2006 8:28 AM   
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But when has proof stopped a Arab hater?

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darby19366
Posted by: darby1936 on Jul 27, 2006 8:54 AM   
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I may have missed it but I have yet to hear CNN ( I assume FOX hasn't mentioned it either because they are more one sided than CNN) mention UN resolution 242. I have heard 1559 batted around to point out Hezbollah's need to disarm. That is very unlikely to happen when the Shiites of the Middle East compare them with the gangsters that rule Egypt, Jordan and otherdictators we support. The people of Lebanon see them as standing up to an Isreal armed to the teeth with our weapons. Of course Hezbollah is just as bad. They just can't kill as effeciently as Isreal. The Middle East is indeed turning into Armaggdon and we are in the middle.

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A Shattering Development
Posted by: Joe Ox on Jul 27, 2006 9:40 AM   
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For the first time, well, ever, the United Nations blue tops have engaged in a fire fight. After decades of standing down in the face of horrible atrocities and grinding their teeth under a no shoot mandate, finally in Southern Lebanon, a collective of UN troops has engaged in real combat.
Sadly, due to their over arching "never shoot anyone for any reason, including a Rwandan literally in mid machete mayhem covered in the blood of children" (the preceding in actual verbage from the Rwanda mandate) they didn't even know they were involved.
The UN has declared the battle a victory, because even though suffering a 100% casualty rate, the UN troops did not stray from their orders one iota, proving to the world that no matter what, they are duty bound and honorable above all else.
In other news, Kofi Annan (known by UN subordinates as "Coffee On Him"...meant of course in a clear jest about his name and fully rejecting any racial interpretations-this is documentably true lest you berate me for inventing it)
has declared that the UN will respond to the horrific act by the Israelis with proportionate force. He said "Doggon it, we are going to, going to, ohhh, we are gonna get really mad and I may even say so at a press conference". Later after a cooling off period suggested by the benevolent leaders of Myanmar and Cambodia, the Secretary General decided that response was disproportionate to the act perpetrated and he remained calm and quiet.
Kofi has recalled several middle managers from Africa, one suffering minor injuries after being pryed off a child with a crowbar.
It gets worse....

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