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Readers Write: Rape and the U.S. Military
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These were some of the loaded questions AlterNet readers discussed in response to Rose Aguilar's widely read recent article, "Female Soldiers Treated 'Lower Than Dirt,'" and Ruth Rosen's "Wave of Sexual Terrorism in Iraq." Both explained in detail the ways that American soldiers use their positions of power as weapons over Iraqi civilian women, as well as their own female comrades-in-arms.
Rose Aguilar's July 14 article tells the story of U.S. Army Specialist Suzanne Swift, who alleged that she was propositioned for sex by three sergeants "shortly after arriving for her first tour of duty in [Iraq in] February 2004."
As Aguilar writes:
When Swift's unit redeployed to Iraq in January 2006, she refused to go and instead stayed with her mother in Eugene, Ore. She was eventually listed as AWOL, arrested at her mother's home on June 11, sent to county jail and transferred to Fort Lewis.
A colonel outside of Swift's chain of command is investigating the case, but Rich says she has been given little information with no time frame. "I believe they're trying to break her down using fear and intimidation."Of course, Swift is not the first -- nor the last -- alleged victim of military assault. As Aguilar notes, rape and harassment are not infrequent in the armed forces: "Since the fall of 2003, the Miles Foundation has documented 518 cases of sexual assault on women who have served or are serving in Middle Eastern countries."
As usual, AlterNet readers had lots to say about the matter. Reader Bobsays weighed in: "War itself makes men very aggressive physically and sexually. I think it is this that is putting female soldiers at risk. Unfortunately, much of this was argued by experienced soldiers prior to the mixing of the sexes in units, but it was dismissed as sexism. I don't think it was sexism: it was an honest account of how the behavior of young men in a war environment, despite the best checks and balances of the military hierarchy, are still difficult to control. Think about it: horny guys with guns, horny guys, who after having a few friends killed and maimed, don't care a toss about the military hierarchy or what feminists think. It is that brutal on the frontlines …"
Bobsays continued: "The military tries to bring some creature comforts from back home to the war zone. So you have people getting into their bathing suits (and women into skimpy bikinis) and dipping in inflatable pools. In fact, the chicks are usually out on the grass sunbathing when they aren't working. So the guys have a very clear idea of what they look like -- and keep in mind these are women who are in top physical condition."
Pianojo responded with passion: "Oh PLEASE!!! So what you are saying is that American soldiers are so f*king WEAK-WILLED that they are INCAPABLE of CONTROLLING themselves? WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
But ChristopherLL agreed with Bobsays, claiming that to "put a person in an environment where there are no safety valves, and the reality is aggression at its most elemental and life-threatening, then it is an exercise in futility to even think that there will not be overt sexual acts, especially if an exposed female body is in close proximity … To introduce females into combat or intense military situations just seems to be pushing the envelope."
Not surprisingly, this sort of attitude -- that women should not be allowed in the military -- didn't go over well among AlterNet's large female readership. Caitlin reminded us: "War is the big problem, but so is the underlying misogyny held by the vast majority of people in this world. If these men didn't already have the idea in their head that women are good for fucking and not much else, then even in the most stressful situations, they wouldn't turn on each other … War is the problem, yes, but so are our antiquated views on gender and sex that make women's bodies into objects to be possessed by men."
And another reader, Assumedvalue, backed Caitlin up: "I think the problem is that when someone makes an argument like this, they are saying 'Well, men can't help themselves. There's stress … and aggressiveness builds …' The problem with this argument is that you are erasing the responsibility from those men for making the right decision and from respecting the people they work with and whom they need while in battle. War may make people many things, but it does not make them incapable of making decisions. And it doesn't take a feminist to see that this argument is lacking in personal responsibility on the part of the actor."
Reader Arolem also took Bobsays to task: "All respect to your service, Bobsays, and thank you for it. I agree with your initial point -- war IS the problem, along with the mentality that war is a way to solve international issues. But you really don't see your argument above as sexist? This is the old "boys will be boys" rape defense … Current military culture is the problem, and combat situations are the most heightened examples of that culture."
Still, reader Rsaxto urged women not to enlist in the armed forces at all: "An American woman these days who signs up for the USA military has got to be really ignorant or really brainwashed or really dumb and possibly all three. Don't sign up to be a victim of humiliation, injury or death. Don't validate the Bushie war criminals."
Pickles78 took offense at the idea of placing blame for rape squarely on women's shoulders. "Why should a woman not enlist today or any day in the military? Would you also suggest that children not attend a Catholic mass for fear of the [priest] raping them? Or maybe you would tell black people to move from the South if they want hate crimes to stop. You are incorrect my friend … the military is just as obligated as any other employer to protect the well-being of its people, and they are still REQUIRED to conform to federal, state and local laws. Rape is rape is rape."
Simple fear weighed in with words of support for Pickles78: "As a vet and the wife of a vet, I KNOW what you are saying … As a survivor of military rape, I am with you … This is nuts. Rape is NOT about being horny, it is about power and control."
In another AlterNet story -- published the same day as Rose Aguilar's piece -- Ruth Rosen from Tomdispatch chronicled the "wave of sexual terrorism" currently perpetuated by U.S. soldiers against Iraqi women.
Her starting point was the alleged rape and murder of a young Iraqi girl, perpetrated in March by a group of five American soldiers. The child's body was set on fire to cover up the crimes, and her father, mother, and sister were also killed.
It's part of a much larger problem, as author Rosen reminds us:
Still, the invasion and occupation of Iraq has had the effect of humiliating, endangering, and repressing Iraqi women in ways that have not been widely publicized in the mainstream media: As detainees in prisons run by Americans, they have been sexually abused and raped; as civilians, they have been kidnapped, raped, and then sometimes sold for prostitution; and as women -- and, in particular, as among the more liberated women in the Arab world -- they have increasingly disappeared from public life, many becoming shut-ins in their own homes.AlterNet readers had varied reactions to the story. Gazooks commented: "In not acknowledging the history of terror and rape that was systemic in Saddam's Iraq, this piece diminishes the issue because it simply reads like propaganda. How necessary is it to characterize the American military as an organization of rapists dishonoring the Iraqi people and thereby distort and inflame the issue?"
Reader Caitlin responded angrily, "What the hell? So if we put it into the context that Saddam had been responsible for 'rape rooms' prior to the U.S. invasion, does that suddenly make the rape of Iraqi women by U.S. troops OK? There are absolutely NO CIRCUMSTANCES under which it is OK to rape a woman …"
And Jstillwater agreed: "This isn't an article about Saddam's Iraq, it's an article about Iraq in the present. In the present, Saddam and his sons are not raping anyone. Americans have controlled Iraq for several years, and it is American soldiers who are committing sexual assault, murder, and other atrocities. I do believe that the majority of Americans, including men and women in the military, are decent people. As decent people, our troops and everyone who supports them should denounce these crimes, not minimize them by pointing to the past."
But reader Gazooks insisted that the majority of rapes in Iraq are still committed by Iraqis against Iraqis: "The only reason that Saddam and his sons are not still raping is because the Americans put an end to their raping. You can not simply eliminate the historical context of a nation, region or culture that by its very nature debases women's social status to second class and subscribes to all manner of violence towards women. The fact remains that the vast majority of rapes are perpetrated by Iraqis on Iraqis. Moslems on Moslems."
Maribelle strongly disagreed. "Women in Arab countries are often treated as second-class citizens; many, many organizations are working on these issues. Yes, I support those organizations. But when AMERICAN troops, paid for by MY tax dollars, are RAPING WOMEN in a country we are OCCUPYING, I think everyone *EVERYONE* in that country should be calling foul, and begging the forgiveness of the Iraqi people."
The notion that rape is only a "women's issue" -- that men don't care about violence against women -- was questioned by reader Tejanopapa: "I don't want to draw a line in the sand separating women from men, nor women's issues from men's issues. Men do not always need to be in the forefront of an issue in order to be genuinely concerned. We can say, when we read a well-written article like this one, 'Hurray! Thank you for keeping this issue in front of us.' True, men are less vulnerable to rape than are women. Rape is an especially heinous affront against women, one which makes both men and women sick to their very core. And, the number of rapes increase during war. Check out Susan Brownmiller's Against Our Will. But we need to remember that war also exacerbates children's vulnerability; it exacerbates old people's vulnerability."
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Posted by: tclaverdure on Jul 24, 2006 12:31 AM
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I love my wife and have always wanted to make love to her or before our relationship my girlfriends. Rape boggles my mind. Wow how can we even look at it other than an abhorrent crime regardless of its trigger.
A friend went to the pen for a nonviolent crime, met a guy doing time for beating a rapist to death. He caught him beating and mounting this women. I guess it triggered him.
RAPE as a tool of war has a long history. Prosecuting rapists has a short history. History will judge the bystanders harshly.
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» Thank you for taking the side of the victims...
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» Prior Alternet Article on Military Rape
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» RE: If war make you horny your a psychopath
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Posted by: deo508 on Jul 24, 2006 4:07 AM
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Posted by: Plexius on Jul 24, 2006 4:07 AM
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If young men can get sexual relief regularly from paid professionals, the rape factor should reduce considerably. No, it won't disappear, but not all rape is about power. Besides, prostitutes will tell you that men often pay them just to have someone to talk to, to hold and kiss. A lot of sexual relief for soldiers in Vietnam was outsourced to barwomen. Wasn't very healthy VD-wise, but it beat rape.
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» RE: History's partial answer to the military rape problem:
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» that's just passing the rape along to less-fortunate women!
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» Prostitution is not rape
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» Neither is pornography
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Posted by: tenstring on Jul 24, 2006 4:12 AM
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Posted by: tkwilson on Jul 24, 2006 4:57 AM
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Simplefear nailed it. "It's not about being horny; it's about power and control". Period. End of sentence.
Sounds exactly like war to me.
People aren't really built, psychologically, for killing. It makes us sick, even if we weren't that way to start with.
Nobody survives the dehuminization; the terror and stench and insanity of war with all their marbles intact, no matter how they look. Ask anybody who's killed another person.
Only a psycopath could forget.
A society with a proffessional military; any standing military, is a society in deep trouble.
As for men being less vulnerable to rape; ask any man who's been to prison, if he'll talk. This country has the largest per capita prison population in the world. Prisons do less than the military about rape. Where's the outrage there?
This society is rotten at it's core. What the hell were you expecting?
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Posted by: dannrusso on Jul 24, 2006 6:10 AM
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could this be the fault of their training? are they merely responding to their id without the benefit of their forgotten or missing ego or super ego?
there is no thought process with pulling a trigger other than "kill." there is no thought process with rape other than "get her."
I don't get it - its atrocious and I think the whole system is to blame
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Posted by: yoursfaithfully on Jul 24, 2006 6:09 AM
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Rape is a common act of violence. It needs to be addressed. However, it is an act of violence among many, many others. Seeing rape as equivalent to murder is endorsing a fundamentalist Christian / Muslim ideology that premarital sex or sex with a stranger puts an indelible taint upon a woman. That's absurd.
Rape is NOTHING compared to a 1,000 pound bomb. The act of killing a single Iraqi is infinitely worse than the act of rape. That Iraqi can no longer be in this world. That Iraqi can't be healed. That Iraqi's family will never, ever get to see him or her again.
Yet I don't hear anyone on this board saying we should beat a helicopter pilot who fired a missile into a family's car to death or force castration. That's evidence of a serious double-standard.
There are laws against rape in the United States. Very serious laws. Very conservative laws that don't work. Don't think those laws are tough enough? Well then you're even more conservative than most state legislatures. Bravo.
Naturally, feminist movements have a right to discuss rape. It's violence against women, it's common, and it's extremely problematic. But the solution is not to give American law enforcement more power. We've been handing over our freedoms to them for decades. They've destroyed black communities and they've turned Americans against one another.
The whole point of this type of article is getting at what causes rape. And that should of interest to real progressives, who want to alleviate the circumstances that cause crimes, not pointlessly punish criminals for some sense of macho catharsis. This article suggests that when any kind of violence is endorsed, other kinds of violence increase, including violence against women. If you want to stop violence against women, you have to work to stop all violence. Otherwise it just won't work.
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Posted by: AbnStranger on Jul 24, 2006 6:17 AM
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Posted by: Pepper on Jul 24, 2006 6:17 AM
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His fellow soldiers grab him and brutally rape him. What would happen then if he reports it??? That is the crux of the issue........ I can guarantee you those men who raped the other man would be in prison for it. Why??? Because it was another "male soldier" who was raped, not because of the rape but because of WHO they raped.
Once you see the difference, its easy after that to see the sexism involved in the issue here. We should be questioning how we select soldiers for service who are volunteers. If they are psychos, they should be rejected. Period, end of story.....
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Posted by: gramps on Jul 24, 2006 6:53 AM
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Even not having to dig a slit trench for sanitary reasons is of little comfort when they are the target of guerilla patriots. This war was instigated by Zionists oil companies and defense contractors.
It is true that the WWII military discrimated against women as well as Blacks, but the countries we went into welcomed us as liberators and killing civilians and women and children was left to the Air Force bombers.
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Posted by: smallrevolutions on Jul 24, 2006 7:09 AM
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Furthermore, habit, or nature, no matter, there is not evidence one is easier to overcome than another. Part of being human is being in control of ones self, of constructing one self.
A U.S. rape culture intersects with a culture of violence/war and racism in Iraq. Ugly. The solution!!! The end of toleration. Rapists need to be tried and severely sentenced. Rapists of fellow soldiers need to be sentenced threefold.
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Posted by: xbj on Jul 24, 2006 8:27 AM
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When it comes to rape, war, and religion, these cretins would sooner turn the clock of progress back 2000 years.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jul 24, 2006 10:33 AM
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The overwhelming majority of our soldiers are from the US.
Rape occurs in the armed forces.
Most anything that happens in the civilian world is going to be present in the armed forces. That is not an indictment of the uniformed services.
What is disturbing is how poorly this problem is being handled. Those in positions of authority from junior NCOs to the stars at the top of the food chain need to be held personally accountable.
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Posted by: n8ivnyker on Jul 24, 2006 12:29 PM
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Where are the Iraqi "war brides" in whose nation we were convinced our troops would be so welcomed? IDEA:Could we outsource "brothels" as a no-bid contract? Would this be a solution in Iraq?? Who "services" our troops in other Arab countries; in the first Gulf war? how many current "war brides"/brothels are there in/from the Middle East? Answer please.
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Posted by: rwa on Jul 24, 2006 1:07 PM
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Posted by: yoursfaithfully on Jul 24, 2006 1:42 PM
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The clear implication of the original article is this: a culture of violence leads to violence. Condoning violence leads to violence. It couldn't be simpler.
A government that executes murderers is condoning violence. A government that beats inmates and detainees is condoning violence. These acts lead to more violence, and they are unacceptable and right-wing.
Furthermore, heinous punishment of rapists will lead to one thing: women not reporting rapes. If you date a guy who is your friend, and he commits date-rape, how likely are you going to be to turn him in so you can watch him get stoned to death by right-wing a-holes? Although you might feel anger, and even hatred, I have to think that most women in this country are not homicidal.
The problem with rape in this country is that women don't report it, not that it isn't prosecuted. Men LOVE prosecuting rape. It makes them feel manly and they get to look like some ridiculous knight in shining armor, saving the defenseless women (I've pretty much described coldeye). But most rapes go unreported. The vast majority, actually.
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Posted by: Joe Ox on Jul 25, 2006 2:39 PM
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Rape is one of those crimes that men commit, regardless what kind of victim. I find it hard to say a woman raped a male, even in the case of these school teachers, where indeed the law is broken, but rape? Its a stretch. We need to find a new word, and leave rape describing the violent violation of another by a male perpetrator. Underage boys/girls consenting is criminal and wrong, but is consensual it does not fit the rape word.
On the flip side, given that rape is agreeably this horrible crime, how to handle false accusations? Would that not be somewhat worse than accusing someone of robbery or the like?
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Posted by: rplough on Jul 25, 2006 6:39 PM
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I fought in Vietnam - every day I was in that beautiful country. I mostly slept in rice paddies; of my over 11 months in Vietnam, I spent only 1 night in Saigon on my way to a four day "Rest and Recuperation," known as "R&R" at the time. Prostitution did exist in the Mekong Delta, but was not widely available to soldiers engaged in "day to day" operations across the vast rice paddies of the Delta.
I remember meeting an American woman on a U. S. Navy ship that was part of the Mobile Riverine Force. If I had the time and space, I would love to have met this woman. I met another woman in one of the few times I was on the Army base in Dong Tam. I saw her from the back and thought it was a soldier with a haircut way beyound what was acceptabe. When she turned around, I was amused at how embarassed I would have been if I had said anything.
I was an artillery forward observer; I was frequently first in and last out on most helicopter air assualts. This daily routine takes a toll. But the stress of war never made me think that attacking a woman and forcing her to engage in sex for my own pleasure was an acceptable form of behavior.
I grew up in a country where I was privileged, like all of us, to have access to a public education through high school. I also had support from family and friends to attend college. My mother was active in the church, so was I, and so, according to recent reports, are over 70% of the American public. Like all Americans, I had ample forums from which to learn and understand the elements of moral behavior.
Yes, I know first hand the stress of seeing and facing death every day in a very intense and conflict ridden environment. As I recently noted in our staff room where I teach, putting young people from our culture in a no-win situation (a situation with which I am quite familiar) is a breeding ground for abhorrent behavior; in the same breath I said, and say again, it does not justify criminal and barbaric behavior.
Governments make war by portraying perfectly human people, just like us, as barbarians. We do not win when we become what we are "supposedly" fighting.
In truth we Americans, through our leaders, are currently tolerating (and evidence suggests even promoting) what the vast majority of the Arab world, or any world, is not.
Regardless how pervasive rape or any barbaric act is in our society (or performed against other cultures), the most disturbing part of this sad situation is how American leaders at the highest level have abrogated standards of behavior by actively or silently encouraging barbaric acts; they justify their actions (and silence is an action) based on a war against an "ism." Regardless whether you have the courage to name your enemy or not, the behavior promoted by the leaders of the American government is barbaric. Just like the perpetrators of barbaric acts, the leaders of the Amercan government must be held accountable.
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