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Can Israel Think Before Shooting?
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Without belittling the Hizballah and the Palestinians' responsibility to the present clashes, Israel reaps the fruit of a series of entrapments that have taken place over the last two decades. Unfortunately, the military and political leadership in Israel are in a state of continued denial. If Israelis do not realize the futility of the overwhelming emphasis on military force in the current conflict, they will pay the price not only in the next few days, but in the years to come.
The Hizballah, one of Israel's most bitter enemies, is an unwanted child of Israel's invasion of Lebanon, a reaction of Lebanese Shiites to the megalomaniac plan of Menahem Begin and Ariel Sharon to impose upon the Lebanese people a Christian-dominated state. Hassan Nasrallah, the extremist leader of the Hizballah replaced the more moderate Abbas Mussawi, who was assassinated by Israel in February 1992.
The Israeli military had kidnapped a number of Hizballah operators and spiritual leaders such as Mustafa Dirani and Sheikh Ubeid, imprisoning them for a long time without trial. This induced the Hizballah to kidnap Israelis in order to bring about a prisoners' exchange. And it had worked. In 2004 Israel released 400 prisoners (including Dirani and Ubeid) in exchange for an Israeli businessman and the bodies of three Israeli soldiers that had been held by Hizballah. The Israeli government refused, however, to include in the deal, Samir Kuntar a Palestinian terrorist who had been responsible for the murder of an Israeli family in Nahariya in 1978. Kuntar is now on top of the current Hizballah list of prisoners it demands in exchange for the two Israeli soldiers abducted last week.
Both in Gaza and in Lebanon, Israel -- as if it has been cast into an infinite programming loop -- repeats the policies that had failed so many times in the past, by using disproportionate force against weak governments or political authorities that lack the capacity to impose order on their constituents. Israel carried out massive area bombardments in Lebanon in the past (operations Accountability in 1993 and Grapes of Wrath in 1996). Beyond the suffering they inflicted on the Lebanese people and on Israeli residents of its northern border, these operations yielded no tangible results, except for the hurried Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon in May 2000. Operation Defensive Shields in the West Bank in 2002 did not end the Palestinian Intifada. Suicide bombings and attacks on Israeli military forces and civilians continue to the present day.
Israeli resort to disproportionate force is predicated on a conception of "escalation dominance," a flawed notion that the massive force can reduce the motivation of its adversaries to attack Israeli targets. Israelis still subscribe to the notion that if a problem cannot be solved by force, it would be solved by applying greater force. The current conflict demonstrates again that the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) lost its capacity to stage surgical operations. It is covering for its incompetence in managing low-intensity warfare by applying massive area bombardments of questionable strategic value, and of unquestionably huge diplomatic damage. Israeli politicians are willing participants in this self-deception.
But all these problems of military strategy pale in comparison to the fundamental weakness of Israel's foreign policy. Israel may have a well-established military policy, but it does not have a peace policy. This is why Israel so often shoots before it thinks, and why Israeli leaders so often succumb to the military establishment each time a crisis arises. If the current conflict escalates to a confrontation with Syria and Iran, it will be largely because of Israel's tendency to substitute military strategy for diplomacy.
Instead of searching for a policy that explores ways to stabilize the Middle East and offer concrete peace proposals to its enemies, Israeli leaders are busy preparing military plans for every conceivable contingency. These plans are the first to be pulled out of the drawer whenever a crisis erupts, and are often applied without proper political consideration. A military policy cannot be a permanent substitute for diplomacy. The continued subjugation of diplomacy to security considerations and the domination of the Israeli security establishment on matters of foreign policy are bound to result in the failure of both military policy and of foreign policy.
What can be done? First, it is essential that Israelis open their eyes to reality and conduct a fair and unbiased assessment of the effects of their own past and present policies on their current problems. It is easy -- and perhaps politically expedient -- to place the blame on the other side, but if history has something to teach Israelis, it is that this practice does not advance Israeli interests or improve its situation. Second, Israelis must change the order of their crisis-management techniques: Political and diplomatic options should precede military ones. Force must be seen as the servant of diplomacy, not vice versa. Third, Israeli political leaders must once and for all place the military and security establishment in its proper place, as serving policymaking, not replacing it. Finally, it is high time Israel started developing a proactive peace policy and offer creative options to advance peace and stability. It has little to lose and much to gain in doing so.
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Posted by: Conservasaurus on Jul 20, 2006 7:31 AM
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The situation, past and present which gives rise to these attacks, show how both sides now are at fault....
Points, if Israel helped support Palestinian government more, would the Palestinians elect a hard core anti Israel government sworn to the destruction of Israel. The Palestinians demonstrated by this vote that they were not interested in a peaceful resolution. Israel by countering terrorist’s attacks on Palestinian infrastructure gave them no reason to want a more moderate regime (although there are glimpses of regret to this new regime. So, what could have been done to prevent this new militant government! By Israel, Palestine, US, and even nations with better relations with the Arabs.. Genuine help, support & recognition can go along way. When you have nothing to lose one can take extreme actions.
Second , Lebanon - Hizbollah revieves support and backing from Iran and Syria. Lebanon couldnt not try to oust Hizbollah as half of the Lebanon forces are Shites.. they wouldn't fight! (funny, but arabs hate other Arabs more than Israel of the US!). While Israel was promised peace on the Lebanese front when it withdrew the should the UN have had a presence in Lebanon instead of leaving it alone and basically undefended and fertile ground for Hizbollah to grow. probably so, but the UN has demonstrated complete lack of leadership and therefore diminished ability to properly address critical situations other than famine relief etc..
So we can all say who is at fault..but the fact is, it's a world community which requires a world effort not sides.
And it seems current leaders on all fronts are not up to the task of rising to that level!
OK.. I look forward all you "you’re a troll" comments and" Bush caused cancer" remarks..!
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Posted by: subterhmskbls on Jul 20, 2006 7:49 AM
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Sadly, cycle after cycle of negotiation have served only to confirm that the sworn enemies of Israel view diplomacy as a mere tactical means to their goal of destroying Israel. Negotiation can be fruitful only when participants have a common goal, for example, a comprehensive peace ?
With whom would you have Israel negotiate with at this point? Can you negotiate with organizations that do not recognize your right to exist ?
If Israel is a monster today it is a monster wholly created by its unrelenting enemies. It is clear that Israels enemies prefer a perpetual state of victimhood to peace. There is no initiative that Israel can take that will bring about peace. Thanks to the Bush Administrations misguided (my kindest reference) policies in the region, US influence is virtually non existent as a means to resolve the current crisis.
Israel has long been willing to negotiate a comprehensive settlement based on a two state system with defined borders and a security gaurantee for Israel. Reluctance to withdraw from the occupied territories was based on the fear that withdrawal without a comprehensive settlement in place would only lead to those areas again being used as a staging area for attacks on Israel. The response was always - occupation is the impediment to further progress toward a comprehensive settlement, first withdraw, then we can have peace- and what did Israel get for their good faith withdrawal ? Exactly what they have always said they would get- without a buffer zone provided by the occupied territories, more and constant attacks on Israel. Along with condemnation of Israel for its excessive response we should be hearing an equally outraged international community calling for a stop to the perpetual assault on Israel, mutual recogition and serious efforts toward a comprehensive settlement. Otherwise, we should expect exactly what we are getting from Israel right now, an endgame military response, designed to break the status quo(for better or worse), rooted in an almost desparate, nothing to lose at this point attitude that reflects their increasing weariness and fear. I've been reading the blogs and the comments of many , many people who continue to argue the issues of the past, tit for tat, you did this first, we did this in response, and so on. Its long since past the point of cause and effect. Please use your influence to insist that pressure be brought on the Arab world to get serious about peace. God help us all.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Jul 20, 2006 8:29 AM
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The huge buildup of weapons in southern Lebanon by Hizbollah doesn't look like evidence that past policies should be continued. Past policies have failed, so long as Lebanon is just one big munitions dump.
And if civilians do not want to be injured when the munitions are bombed, I'd suggest they not live next door to them.
I hate war. War puts us all in hell. At least it should open our eyes.
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Posted by: yellow on Jul 20, 2006 12:15 PM
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It is true that Hizbollah is a terrorist organization but the disproportionate Israeli response also consists of similar types of collective punishment applied to Lebanon. A huge international humanitarian crisis is emerging involving up to 500,000 refugees fleeing to Syria and elsewhere as well as thousands killed and wounded. Very few Israelis have been killed thus far though rockets have reached deep into Northern Israeli territory. The potential for Syrian involvement is great. The Bush Administration seems intent on provoking a war with Syria which it has been targeting for regime change anyhow since the start of the US invasion of Iraq. In fact, the war in Lebanon could ultimately serve as a cover for Bush's overall spread of war throughout the Middle East for the purposes of US hegemonic control. The Hizbollah excuse could be the one that provides "legitimacy" not confered by the phony WMD/al-Qaeda link stories which originally got the US into Iraq. Conflate all this with the Iranian nukes (which the Clinton Administration succesfully denied Iran through skilled negotiations in the late 1990s) and we have WWIII in the Middle East. Israel's role as a regional prop of support for global US imperialism is clearly seen in the currently occuring events in the region.
In the end, only more suffering can come of the widening of the conflict to include other regional powers. Syria originally showed a willingness to talk to the US and accomidate many of its concerns. This is no longer the case because of Bush's uncompromising aggression. In 2004, the Cedar Revolution and UN Security Council Resolution 1559 provided the basis for an emerging moderate pro-Western democracy in Lebanon. This is now being sacrificed on the alter of Israeli expansionism and aggression as if it never mattered in the first place. No attempt was ever made to enforce the terms of UNSCR 1559 and in fact the entire matter was treated cynically by the US and Israel. Ultimately, those two powers are the only ones considered relevant to political outcomes in the region (besides Saudi Arabia) by the Bush Administration. What is taking place now is out right imperialist warmongering. US absence from the Israel/Palestine peace process is one cause of the current mess. Another is no appreciation for the fact that wars that produce big humanitarian crises for third parties often end up as long-term regional conflagrations. This is true in all parts of the world and it is true in the Middle East. Let's start to solve the current crisis with a renewed effort at justice for the Palestinian People.
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Posted by: coldeye on Jul 20, 2006 12:42 PM
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During all of these actions, nonviolence and expectation of arrest is the key. Some people will be beaten or worse. Many will be jailed. The media Jewish and non-Jewish must constantly be involved. Postive messages of coexistence must prevail,not messages of hate or Jews get out.
If it comes to total war, the Palestinians will be the losers. Only a nonviolent protest that could garnish world support, including significant Jewish support, can win.
Hizbollah and Hamas must be seen as yesterday's news. Plaster King and Ghandi's faces all over every Arab town and every refugee camp and every Jewish settlement. Greet immigrants and tourists who arrive at Ben Gurion Airport with a version of I have a dream tailored for Arabs and Jews.
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Posted by: Joe Ox on Jul 20, 2006 1:28 PM
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I have tried to figure out what creates minds like these. I have searched for Scholarly works that root out the cause from centuries old stone tablets. I even hoped Dr. Laura would chime in and say they had a bad childhood and are just trying to have a good life. Zip, nada, nothing is what I found. In fact I see the press here falling over themselves to paint a picture that denies what we really see, because to acknowledge it would suggest it needs explaining, and it is unexplainable.
Until now.
There is something in the water. It must be that it sits next to the oil underground. From the time an Arab infant leaves the breast and takes his first drink of crisp refreshing al-Agua, he begins to make mock nukes from his tinker toys. The little girls play dress up...as a suicide bomber. "Doesn't this hide the bulge?" "No, not my ass Achmed, my bomber belt" Then Achmed says, "You betcha" er, take a moment.
So we need to send millions of gallons of Ozarka and wait for a full generation to die off. The next generation will never have touched the local water and caught "Mohammed's Revenge". We could begin to deal with the adults in about 20 years, considering it will only be the babies born later this year that start the program I predict peace will break out by 2030.
And if they act up too much in the meantime, we can bomb the dickens out of them while the water drinking men are standing roadside taking a leak.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jul 20, 2006 1:40 PM
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Exxon just took delivery of 2 million barrels of Kirkuk crude via Turkey - the plan is working well, apparently - but wouldn't it be nice to have a secure oil pipeline from Iraq through Syria to Lebanon or Israel? The region mut be stabilized and any native independence movements must be crushed, it's the centuries-old colonial model in action.
The threats of an expanded conflict are well described here: http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=69517. You've got the US Congress saying they support anything the IDF does - does that include use of chemical weapons in South Lebanon? Congress is going into an election year and they don't want Israel as an election issue, and then there's the byzantine internal maneuverings for power within the Bush Administration, which overall continues to smell of rotten fishhead. The neocon chickenhawks are clamoring for an expanded war, but you can bet their families won't be sacrificing any lives.
Keep in mind that this whole scheme relies on the coninued US demand for imported MidEast oil. The single best protest action you can take is to get a vehicle that runs on ethanol-85 or biodiesel fuels. When you fill up at the gas tank, you are giving your money to the very people who are profitting from the war in the Mideast. Think about that for awhile!
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Posted by: NDnative on Jul 20, 2006 2:18 PM
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P.S.: If Alternet isn't standing up to Muslim fundamentalists from Pakistan who destroyed 200 people in Mumbai just a few days ago or for that matter Muslim Fundamentalists from Israel's Arab neighbors killing dozens of Israelis all the time, others will have the right to call Alternet, and other liberals sites that do the same, racist and terror-supporting even if they do have good points to make.
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Posted by: sincere on Jul 20, 2006 3:03 PM
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I mean why not? One absurd rationalization for aggressive war should be able to fit any scenario. Otherwise, we'd just all be *hypocrites.*
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Posted by: aurora2484 on Jul 20, 2006 6:02 PM
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Had we done so, even to a fraction of the extent of the evolution of sciences and technology, then we would not be in this m.a.d. situation. But we haven't - we are still hurling rocks and waving slingshots, regardless that these technologically advanced weapons have potential to erase all traces of today's 'civilisation'.
And so we try again to learn the a, b, c or the 1, 2, 3 of guidelines for killing each other.
And in the final paragraph by Zeev Maoz, there they are. They have relevance for all nations:
1. It is essential that [all nations] open their eyes to reality and conduct a fair and unbiased assessment of the effects of their own past and present policies on their current problems.
2. Political and diplomatic options should precede military ones. Force must be seen as the servant of diplomacy, not vice versa.
3. Political leaders must once and for all place the military and security establishment in its proper place, as serving policymaking, not replacing it.
4. It is high time [all nations] started developing a proactive peace policy and offer creative options to advance peace and stability. It has little to lose and much to gain in doing so.
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Posted by: shinseiji on Jul 21, 2006 4:46 AM
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This is not a "military engagement"; it is an unmitigated indiscriminate terror campaign against an entire country. That is why it does not make sense in military terms.
Maoz simply begs the question of why decade after decade, Israel makes the same "mistakes" over and over again.
Perhaps it is in the nature of the Zionist beast, especially as it has taken form since Menachim Begins' time. As Maoz surely knows - but most guiless Americans don't - Begin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Begin) was the leader of the pre-1948 Irgun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun) from 1944, a fascist party whose post '48 incarnation was the equally fascist Herut ("Freedom") Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herut) where its extraparlimentary terrorist and demagogic antics continued. It was judged as such in its own time:
Letters to the New York Times
December 4, 1948
New Palestine Party
Visit of Menachem Begin and Aims of Political Movement Discussed
TO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES:
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the “Freedom Party” (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
"The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States..."
http://www.globalwebpost.com/
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In the mid-60's Herut united with the "free-market" Liberal Party to form Gahal, based on a common animus towards socialism, but Begin continued to go nowhere with this new vehicle, fending off a leadership challange from the young Ehud Olmert (therefore, a twig from the same tree). Begins fate was salvaged by the 1967 war - the health of fascists! - where Begin served in the Israeli cabinet. He had hit the big time.
In 1973 the Likud was formed by the joining together of La'am (made up of the Free Center, State List and the "Movement for Greater Israel") and Gahal (Gush Herut Liberalim) in preparation for the 1973 elections, held right after the disasterous Yom Kippur War, the key turning point in Israel's existence. Each party maintained its own organization within Likud, but Begin's Gahal continued to dominate the grouping. By 1977, Begin used this far more powerful vehicle to ride post-1973 Israeli demoralization into the Prime Ministership. Subsequentially from 1977 to 1992, under Begin, Shamir (who, believe it or not hails from the even more extreme fascist splinter Lehi, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Shamir), and Netanyahu, Israel steadily evolved from a state governed by a party led by a fascist faction into a full consolidated fascist regime, as the Rabin assasination demonstrated, a character preserved to this day regardless of which party governs.
And it is a political character that infects our own country today.
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Posted by: xbj on Jul 21, 2006 6:12 AM
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Those who know they are wrong always scream the loudest and fight the hardest. And always strike out first and scream even louder when retaliated against.
Because they are fighting themselves first. And then they are fighting the enemy that they, themselves, created, out of nothing and from no one, an enemy who would have never, never done them any harm had they gone somewhere, anywhere else.
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Posted by: cold2touch on Jul 21, 2006 10:38 AM
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So, c'mon tell us about Hezbollah's unprovoked attacks on a peaceful democratic society that has every right to defend itself.
To those sucking the MSM tit; on April 14, 2006, Hamas offered to recognize the state of Israel.
Yeah right, now that's a truly threatening development to Likud; no more war. They just had to do something in self defense. And they did.
On April 15, 2006 Israel escalated threats to invade Gaza strip.
Sojourner, what say you? But first check out the timeline linked above.
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Posted by: tashi on Jul 21, 2006 11:35 AM
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As the tv networks give unlimited airtime to Israel’s apologists, the message rolls out that no nation, least of all Israel, can permit bombardment or armed incursion across its borders without retaliation.
The guiding rule in this tsunami of drivel is that the viewers should be denied the slightest access to any historical context, or indeed to anything that happened prior to June 28, which was when the capture of an Israeli soldier and the killing of two others by Hamas hit the headlines, followed soon thereafter by an attack by a unit of Hezbollah’s fighters.
Memory is supposed to stop in its tracks at June 28, 2006.
Let’s go on a brief excursion into pre-history. I’m talking about June 20, 2006, when Israeli aircraft fired at least one missile at a car in an attempted extrajudicial assassination attempt on a road between Jabalya and Gaza City. The missile missed the car. Instead it killed three Palestinian children and wounded 15.
Back we go again to June 13, 2006. Israeli aircraft fired missiles at a van in another attempted extrajudicial assassination. The successive barrages killed nine innocent Palestinians.
Now we’re really in the dark ages, reaching far, far back to June 9, 2006, when Israel shelled a beach in Beit Lahiya killing 8 civilians and injuring 32.
That’s just a brief trip down Memory Lane, and we trip over the bodies of twenty dead and forty-seven wounded, all of them Palestinians, most of them women and children.
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Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Jul 21, 2006 12:45 PM
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You don't know to handle a demented feline because of its unpredictable behavior. Try to pick it up and it may bite or scratch you. It cannot calm down nor respond to a command.
Israel is between the proverbial rock and a hard place. It cannot coexist peacefully with its Arab neighbors and it seems every time a conflict erupts they're usually involved and out comes the Israeli military to act as diplomats and only bad things happen.
Look at Lebanon, succumbing under the weight of savage bombing. Will the Lebanese be compensated to repair the damage?
Wholescale bombardment of Hezbollah targets is not doing the job. Innocents are dying from the indiscriminate bombing. Why bomb the airport? Fuel tanks? Trucks? Roads? People are trapped. Children are without the basics. There's now widespread hunger and water shortages. This doesn't sound like diplomacy at work-just hatred.
It seems history is repeating itself. Israeli troops are ready for a ground assault. How far will the feral cat go into Lebanon's backyard is anyone's guess.
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Posted by: LegumeSam on Jul 21, 2006 3:07 PM
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The increased aggressiveness of Israeli military action over the past months, and especially the last weeks, stems from a shakeup in the balance of power within the Israeli government. Among the most influential arms of the IDF is the Operations Department, which is possessed of a long-term vision that, in accordance with institutional interests, is premised upon the use of military power to achieve political goals. Representatives of this department, even before the disengagement from Gaza in the summer of 2005, complained that unilateral concessions would erode Israel's "deterrent capacity." Ariel Sharon, then prime minister, was unmoved by this argument, since his long military career had taught him that the invocation of the ostensibly neutral notion of "deterrence" was a stratagem to force the treatment of political problems though military means. For years, he himself had used the same technique to inveigh against initiatives of the political echelon. Olmert and Defense Minister Amir Peretz, by contast, are inexperienced in military matters, and as a result, according to a source in Israeli military intelligence, they did not fully appreciate how the demand for "deterrence" can be used to shift the internal balance of power in favor of the military. When the Operations Department harped on the need to reestablish Israeli "deterrence," especially in the wake of the soldiers' capture, the civilian leadership was convinced to hew to the IDF's line. This subtle but crucial change brewing inside Defense Ministry headquarters in Tel Aviv explains something about the enormous extent of the destruction wreaked on Lebanon in the wake of Hizballah's cross-border raid.
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Posted by: shinseiji on Jul 21, 2006 7:59 PM
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(Alas our American tendency to blame someone else for our problems leads us to look for "foriegn" devils, today Arab, tomorrow Jewish?) For this American Zionism, imperialist failure is but their own road to power, just as the failure of the Israeli sub-imperialism in 1973 began the rise to power of the Likud.
And that is why understanding that history is so important for us to grasp, especially as it is the very same transnational political faction in operation in the context of imperialist failure. For, if we don't watch out, that will become our own future history as well.
For all imperialisms fail in the end, it is only a great tragedy that the road to failure appears emblazoned with, of all things, the symbols of Judaism.
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Posted by: m12121 on Jul 22, 2006 5:55 PM
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The people of Lebanon can not fight against israel. So they are preparing to invade them.
And american you say you are fighting terriorist. That's BS. Who are the terrorists? You are the real terrorists. The war on terror is just an excuse to invade someones land for financial gain and you know it.
Why don't you pick on someone your own size israel and america?
Make war with China, Russia or India if you dare.
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As the Israeli occupation forces continue their wholesale massacre of the civilians in Lebanon, various government officials are desperately trying to pin the blame on the Lebanese civilian victims. [As of 22nd July 2006 at least 362 have been killed and 1,350 wounded, according to the Health Ministry. Among them are six Hezbollah guerrillas.]
Israeli Foreign Minister responded to charges of 'disproportionate use of force' and 'collective punishment' of the civilian populations both in Gaza and Lebanon: “Terrorists use the population and live among them,” she said. “[M]any civilians in southern Lebanon have Katyusha and other rockets under their beds.”
“When you go to sleep with a missile,” she added, “you might find yourself waking up to another kind of missile.”
In an interview on the US-based official Israeli ‘news’ network, CNN, another Israeli official retorted: “Yes, civilians are being killed [...] not by Israeli design, but because Hezbollah have been allowed to live among them [...] they live and store their weapons, explosives and rockets in Lebanese villages and hide behind the Lebanese civilians.”
How curious this chronic Hornkrantz Syndrome!
“On the dawn of 12 April 1893, the bokmakieries were singing as 200 German soldiers, newly arrived from Europe, took up their position around the small settlement of Hornkrantz. The village was the home of an African tribe, the Witbooi, and, although barely 100 kilometers from Windhoek, the fledgling capital of German South West Africa, Hornkrantz’s occupants had successfully resisted the encroaching Imperial power.”
“The German soldiers, part of one of the largest and most powerful land armies in the world, started firing from three directions, and within thirty minutes 16,000 rounds had been expended by 200 rifles. By the time this torrent of bullets had ceased it had wrought a dreadful carnage. Blood stained bodies and the remains of slaughtered animals were strewn around the settlement.”
“The German captain’s official report immediately following the massacre suggested that Witbooi were neutralised as a fighting force. One cable to Berlin more than a month after the raid suggested that fifty Witbooi soldiers had been killed.”
Gradually, however, it emerged that of the ninety people massacred by the brave soldiers only a few had been ‘able-bodied’ men. Seventy-eight of the victims were in fact women and children – not at all surprising when you attack a village or raid a residential area at the crack of dawn.
“German officialdom was forced to make what it termed ‘an undesirable revision’, it struck upon a brilliantly reply to the accusations. There had been heavy casualties among non-combatants conceded the Director of the German Colonial Department, but this was owing to the cowardice of the Witbooi men who took cover behind their womenfolk when fired upon.”
Another, somewhat less ‘brilliant’ variation of the ‘Hornkrantz Syndrome’ is the response you would get from the white folks in New Zealand. Ask any of them why they had to decimate the Maori population (the brave Brits massacred 5 out of every 6 Maoris – more than 208,000 of the 250,000 population round about the same time – by the 1890s) to steal their land instead of just obtaining the rest of their land by deception, since the deception method had previously worked well in most other parts of the country, and the white 'New Zealander' sporting a smirk on their face would tell you they didn’t kill any Maoris, "didn't have to… the cannibals just kept bumping each other off at tea time!"
Source of quotes on Hornkrantz: Cocker, M., Rivers of Blood, Rivers of Gold: Europe’s Conquest of Indigenous Peoples, London, 1998.
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Posted by: Burton on Jul 25, 2006 2:16 PM
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If we want to see peace in the Middle East, let us see the Palestinians give up the use of war as an instrument of policy against Israel. Let us note since 1973, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, etc., have all made de facto peace with Israel.
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Posted by: Conservasaurus on Jul 20, 2006 7:31 AM
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The situation, past and present which gives rise to these attacks, show how both sides now are at fault....
Points, if Israel helped support Palestinian government more, would the Palestinians elect a hard core anti Israel government sworn to the destruction of Israel. The Palestinians demonstrated by this vote that they were not interested in a peaceful resolution. Israel by countering terrorist’s attacks on Palestinian infrastructure gave them no reason to want a more moderate regime (although there are glimpses of regret to this new regime. So, what could have been done to prevent this new militant government! By Israel, Palestine, US, and even nations with better relations with the Arabs.. Genuine help, support & recognition can go along way. When you have nothing to lose one can take extreme actions.
Second , Lebanon - Hizbollah revieves support and backing from Iran and Syria. Lebanon couldnt not try to oust Hizbollah as half of the Lebanon forces are Shites.. they wouldn't fight! (funny, but arabs hate other Arabs more than Israel of the US!). While Israel was promised peace on the Lebanese front when it withdrew the should the UN have had a presence in Lebanon instead of leaving it alone and basically undefended and fertile ground for Hizbollah to grow. probably so, but the UN has demonstrated complete lack of leadership and therefore diminished ability to properly address critical situations other than famine relief etc..
So we can all say who is at fault..but the fact is, it's a world community which requires a world effort not sides.
And it seems current leaders on all fronts are not up to the task of rising to that level!
OK.. I look forward all you "you’re a troll" comments and" Bush caused cancer" remarks..!
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Posted by: subterhmskbls on Jul 20, 2006 7:49 AM
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Sadly, cycle after cycle of negotiation have served only to confirm that the sworn enemies of Israel view diplomacy as a mere tactical means to their goal of destroying Israel. Negotiation can be fruitful only when participants have a common goal, for example, a comprehensive peace ?
With whom would you have Israel negotiate with at this point? Can you negotiate with organizations that do not recognize your right to exist ?
If Israel is a monster today it is a monster wholly created by its unrelenting enemies. It is clear that Israels enemies prefer a perpetual state of victimhood to peace. There is no initiative that Israel can take that will bring about peace. Thanks to the Bush Administrations misguided (my kindest reference) policies in the region, US influence is virtually non existent as a means to resolve the current crisis.
Israel has long been willing to negotiate a comprehensive settlement based on a two state system with defined borders and a security gaurantee for Israel. Reluctance to withdraw from the occupied territories was based on the fear that withdrawal without a comprehensive settlement in place would only lead to those areas again being used as a staging area for attacks on Israel. The response was always - occupation is the impediment to further progress toward a comprehensive settlement, first withdraw, then we can have peace- and what did Israel get for their good faith withdrawal ? Exactly what they have always said they would get- without a buffer zone provided by the occupied territories, more and constant attacks on Israel. Along with condemnation of Israel for its excessive response we should be hearing an equally outraged international community calling for a stop to the perpetual assault on Israel, mutual recogition and serious efforts toward a comprehensive settlement. Otherwise, we should expect exactly what we are getting from Israel right now, an endgame military response, designed to break the status quo(for better or worse), rooted in an almost desparate, nothing to lose at this point attitude that reflects their increasing weariness and fear. I've been reading the blogs and the comments of many , many people who continue to argue the issues of the past, tit for tat, you did this first, we did this in response, and so on. Its long since past the point of cause and effect. Please use your influence to insist that pressure be brought on the Arab world to get serious about peace. God help us all.
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Posted by: Sojourner on Jul 20, 2006 8:29 AM
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The huge buildup of weapons in southern Lebanon by Hizbollah doesn't look like evidence that past policies should be continued. Past policies have failed, so long as Lebanon is just one big munitions dump.
And if civilians do not want to be injured when the munitions are bombed, I'd suggest they not live next door to them.
I hate war. War puts us all in hell. At least it should open our eyes.
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It is true that Hizbollah is a terrorist organization but the disproportionate Israeli response also consists of similar types of collective punishment applied to Lebanon. A huge international humanitarian crisis is emerging involving up to 500,000 refugees fleeing to Syria and elsewhere as well as thousands killed and wounded. Very few Israelis have been killed thus far though rockets have reached deep into Northern Israeli territory. The potential for Syrian involvement is great. The Bush Administration seems intent on provoking a war with Syria which it has been targeting for regime change anyhow since the start of the US invasion of Iraq. In fact, the war in Lebanon could ultimately serve as a cover for Bush's overall spread of war throughout the Middle East for the purposes of US hegemonic control. The Hizbollah excuse could be the one that provides "legitimacy" not confered by the phony WMD/al-Qaeda link stories which originally got the US into Iraq. Conflate all this with the Iranian nukes (which the Clinton Administration succesfully denied Iran through skilled negotiations in the late 1990s) and we have WWIII in the Middle East. Israel's role as a regional prop of support for global US imperialism is clearly seen in the currently occuring events in the region.
In the end, only more suffering can come of the widening of the conflict to include other regional powers. Syria originally showed a willingness to talk to the US and accomidate many of its concerns. This is no longer the case because of Bush's uncompromising aggression. In 2004, the Cedar Revolution and UN Security Council Resolution 1559 provided the basis for an emerging moderate pro-Western democracy in Lebanon. This is now being sacrificed on the alter of Israeli expansionism and aggression as if it never mattered in the first place. No attempt was ever made to enforce the terms of UNSCR 1559 and in fact the entire matter was treated cynically by the US and Israel. Ultimately, those two powers are the only ones considered relevant to political outcomes in the region (besides Saudi Arabia) by the Bush Administration. What is taking place now is out right imperialist warmongering. US absence from the Israel/Palestine peace process is one cause of the current mess. Another is no appreciation for the fact that wars that produce big humanitarian crises for third parties often end up as long-term regional conflagrations. This is true in all parts of the world and it is true in the Middle East. Let's start to solve the current crisis with a renewed effort at justice for the Palestinian People.
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During all of these actions, nonviolence and expectation of arrest is the key. Some people will be beaten or worse. Many will be jailed. The media Jewish and non-Jewish must constantly be involved. Postive messages of coexistence must prevail,not messages of hate or Jews get out.
If it comes to total war, the Palestinians will be the losers. Only a nonviolent protest that could garnish world support, including significant Jewish support, can win.
Hizbollah and Hamas must be seen as yesterday's news. Plaster King and Ghandi's faces all over every Arab town and every refugee camp and every Jewish settlement. Greet immigrants and tourists who arrive at Ben Gurion Airport with a version of I have a dream tailored for Arabs and Jews.
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I have tried to figure out what creates minds like these. I have searched for Scholarly works that root out the cause from centuries old stone tablets. I even hoped Dr. Laura would chime in and say they had a bad childhood and are just trying to have a good life. Zip, nada, nothing is what I found. In fact I see the press here falling over themselves to paint a picture that denies what we really see, because to acknowledge it would suggest it needs explaining, and it is unexplainable.
Until now.
There is something in the water. It must be that it sits next to the oil underground. From the time an Arab infant leaves the breast and takes his first drink of crisp refreshing al-Agua, he begins to make mock nukes from his tinker toys. The little girls play dress up...as a suicide bomber. "Doesn't this hide the bulge?" "No, not my ass Achmed, my bomber belt" Then Achmed says, "You betcha" er, take a moment.
So we need to send millions of gallons of Ozarka and wait for a full generation to die off. The next generation will never have touched the local water and caught "Mohammed's Revenge". We could begin to deal with the adults in about 20 years, considering it will only be the babies born later this year that start the program I predict peace will break out by 2030.
And if they act up too much in the meantime, we can bomb the dickens out of them while the water drinking men are standing roadside taking a leak.
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Exxon just took delivery of 2 million barrels of Kirkuk crude via Turkey - the plan is working well, apparently - but wouldn't it be nice to have a secure oil pipeline from Iraq through Syria to Lebanon or Israel? The region mut be stabilized and any native independence movements must be crushed, it's the centuries-old colonial model in action.
The threats of an expanded conflict are well described here: http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=69517. You've got the US Congress saying they support anything the IDF does - does that include use of chemical weapons in South Lebanon? Congress is going into an election year and they don't want Israel as an election issue, and then there's the byzantine internal maneuverings for power within the Bush Administration, which overall continues to smell of rotten fishhead. The neocon chickenhawks are clamoring for an expanded war, but you can bet their families won't be sacrificing any lives.
Keep in mind that this whole scheme relies on the coninued US demand for imported MidEast oil. The single best protest action you can take is to get a vehicle that runs on ethanol-85 or biodiesel fuels. When you fill up at the gas tank, you are giving your money to the very people who are profitting from the war in the Mideast. Think about that for awhile!
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P.S.: If Alternet isn't standing up to Muslim fundamentalists from Pakistan who destroyed 200 people in Mumbai just a few days ago or for that matter Muslim Fundamentalists from Israel's Arab neighbors killing dozens of Israelis all the time, others will have the right to call Alternet, and other liberals sites that do the same, racist and terror-supporting even if they do have good points to make.
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I mean why not? One absurd rationalization for aggressive war should be able to fit any scenario. Otherwise, we'd just all be *hypocrites.*
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Had we done so, even to a fraction of the extent of the evolution of sciences and technology, then we would not be in this m.a.d. situation. But we haven't - we are still hurling rocks and waving slingshots, regardless that these technologically advanced weapons have potential to erase all traces of today's 'civilisation'.
And so we try again to learn the a, b, c or the 1, 2, 3 of guidelines for killing each other.
And in the final paragraph by Zeev Maoz, there they are. They have relevance for all nations:
1. It is essential that [all nations] open their eyes to reality and conduct a fair and unbiased assessment of the effects of their own past and present policies on their current problems.
2. Political and diplomatic options should precede military ones. Force must be seen as the servant of diplomacy, not vice versa.
3. Political leaders must once and for all place the military and security establishment in its proper place, as serving policymaking, not replacing it.
4. It is high time [all nations] started developing a proactive peace policy and offer creative options to advance peace and stability. It has little to lose and much to gain in doing so.
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Posted by: shinseiji on Jul 21, 2006 4:46 AM
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This is not a "military engagement"; it is an unmitigated indiscriminate terror campaign against an entire country. That is why it does not make sense in military terms.
Maoz simply begs the question of why decade after decade, Israel makes the same "mistakes" over and over again.
Perhaps it is in the nature of the Zionist beast, especially as it has taken form since Menachim Begins' time. As Maoz surely knows - but most guiless Americans don't - Begin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Begin) was the leader of the pre-1948 Irgun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun) from 1944, a fascist party whose post '48 incarnation was the equally fascist Herut ("Freedom") Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herut) where its extraparlimentary terrorist and demagogic antics continued. It was judged as such in its own time:
Letters to the New York Times
December 4, 1948
New Palestine Party
Visit of Menachem Begin and Aims of Political Movement Discussed
TO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES:
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the “Freedom Party” (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
"The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States..."
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In the mid-60's Herut united with the "free-market" Liberal Party to form Gahal, based on a common animus towards socialism, but Begin continued to go nowhere with this new vehicle, fending off a leadership challange from the young Ehud Olmert (therefore, a twig from the same tree). Begins fate was salvaged by the 1967 war - the health of fascists! - where Begin served in the Israeli cabinet. He had hit the big time.
In 1973 the Likud was formed by the joining together of La'am (made up of the Free Center, State List and the "Movement for Greater Israel") and Gahal (Gush Herut Liberalim) in preparation for the 1973 elections, held right after the disasterous Yom Kippur War, the key turning point in Israel's existence. Each party maintained its own organization within Likud, but Begin's Gahal continued to dominate the grouping. By 1977, Begin used this far more powerful vehicle to ride post-1973 Israeli demoralization into the Prime Ministership. Subsequentially from 1977 to 1992, under Begin, Shamir (who, believe it or not hails from the even more extreme fascist splinter Lehi, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Shamir), and Netanyahu, Israel steadily evolved from a state governed by a party led by a fascist faction into a full consolidated fascist regime, as the Rabin assasination demonstrated, a character preserved to this day regardless of which party governs.
And it is a political character that infects our own country today.
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Those who know they are wrong always scream the loudest and fight the hardest. And always strike out first and scream even louder when retaliated against.
Because they are fighting themselves first. And then they are fighting the enemy that they, themselves, created, out of nothing and from no one, an enemy who would have never, never done them any harm had they gone somewhere, anywhere else.
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So, c'mon tell us about Hezbollah's unprovoked attacks on a peaceful democratic society that has every right to defend itself.
To those sucking the MSM tit; on April 14, 2006, Hamas offered to recognize the state of Israel.
Yeah right, now that's a truly threatening development to Likud; no more war. They just had to do something in self defense. And they did.
On April 15, 2006 Israel escalated threats to invade Gaza strip.
Sojourner, what say you? But first check out the timeline linked above.
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As the tv networks give unlimited airtime to Israel’s apologists, the message rolls out that no nation, least of all Israel, can permit bombardment or armed incursion across its borders without retaliation.
The guiding rule in this tsunami of drivel is that the viewers should be denied the slightest access to any historical context, or indeed to anything that happened prior to June 28, which was when the capture of an Israeli soldier and the killing of two others by Hamas hit the headlines, followed soon thereafter by an attack by a unit of Hezbollah’s fighters.
Memory is supposed to stop in its tracks at June 28, 2006.
Let’s go on a brief excursion into pre-history. I’m talking about June 20, 2006, when Israeli aircraft fired at least one missile at a car in an attempted extrajudicial assassination attempt on a road between Jabalya and Gaza City. The missile missed the car. Instead it killed three Palestinian children and wounded 15.
Back we go again to June 13, 2006. Israeli aircraft fired missiles at a van in another attempted extrajudicial assassination. The successive barrages killed nine innocent Palestinians.
Now we’re really in the dark ages, reaching far, far back to June 9, 2006, when Israel shelled a beach in Beit Lahiya killing 8 civilians and injuring 32.
That’s just a brief trip down Memory Lane, and we trip over the bodies of twenty dead and forty-seven wounded, all of them Palestinians, most of them women and children.
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Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Jul 21, 2006 12:45 PM
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You don't know to handle a demented feline because of its unpredictable behavior. Try to pick it up and it may bite or scratch you. It cannot calm down nor respond to a command.
Israel is between the proverbial rock and a hard place. It cannot coexist peacefully with its Arab neighbors and it seems every time a conflict erupts they're usually involved and out comes the Israeli military to act as diplomats and only bad things happen.
Look at Lebanon, succumbing under the weight of savage bombing. Will the Lebanese be compensated to repair the damage?
Wholescale bombardment of Hezbollah targets is not doing the job. Innocents are dying from the indiscriminate bombing. Why bomb the airport? Fuel tanks? Trucks? Roads? People are trapped. Children are without the basics. There's now widespread hunger and water shortages. This doesn't sound like diplomacy at work-just hatred.
It seems history is repeating itself. Israeli troops are ready for a ground assault. How far will the feral cat go into Lebanon's backyard is anyone's guess.
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Posted by: LegumeSam on Jul 21, 2006 3:07 PM
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The increased aggressiveness of Israeli military action over the past months, and especially the last weeks, stems from a shakeup in the balance of power within the Israeli government. Among the most influential arms of the IDF is the Operations Department, which is possessed of a long-term vision that, in accordance with institutional interests, is premised upon the use of military power to achieve political goals. Representatives of this department, even before the disengagement from Gaza in the summer of 2005, complained that unilateral concessions would erode Israel's "deterrent capacity." Ariel Sharon, then prime minister, was unmoved by this argument, since his long military career had taught him that the invocation of the ostensibly neutral notion of "deterrence" was a stratagem to force the treatment of political problems though military means. For years, he himself had used the same technique to inveigh against initiatives of the political echelon. Olmert and Defense Minister Amir Peretz, by contast, are inexperienced in military matters, and as a result, according to a source in Israeli military intelligence, they did not fully appreciate how the demand for "deterrence" can be used to shift the internal balance of power in favor of the military. When the Operations Department harped on the need to reestablish Israeli "deterrence," especially in the wake of the soldiers' capture, the civilian leadership was convinced to hew to the IDF's line. This subtle but crucial change brewing inside Defense Ministry headquarters in Tel Aviv explains something about the enormous extent of the destruction wreaked on Lebanon in the wake of Hizballah's cross-border raid.
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(Alas our American tendency to blame someone else for our problems leads us to look for "foriegn" devils, today Arab, tomorrow Jewish?) For this American Zionism, imperialist failure is but their own road to power, just as the failure of the Israeli sub-imperialism in 1973 began the rise to power of the Likud.
And that is why understanding that history is so important for us to grasp, especially as it is the very same transnational political faction in operation in the context of imperialist failure. For, if we don't watch out, that will become our own future history as well.
For all imperialisms fail in the end, it is only a great tragedy that the road to failure appears emblazoned with, of all things, the symbols of Judaism.
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Posted by: m12121 on Jul 22, 2006 5:55 PM
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The people of Lebanon can not fight against israel. So they are preparing to invade them.
And american you say you are fighting terriorist. That's BS. Who are the terrorists? You are the real terrorists. The war on terror is just an excuse to invade someones land for financial gain and you know it.
Why don't you pick on someone your own size israel and america?
Make war with China, Russia or India if you dare.
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As the Israeli occupation forces continue their wholesale massacre of the civilians in Lebanon, various government officials are desperately trying to pin the blame on the Lebanese civilian victims. [As of 22nd July 2006 at least 362 have been killed and 1,350 wounded, according to the Health Ministry. Among them are six Hezbollah guerrillas.]
Israeli Foreign Minister responded to charges of 'disproportionate use of force' and 'collective punishment' of the civilian populations both in Gaza and Lebanon: “Terrorists use the population and live among them,” she said. “[M]any civilians in southern Lebanon have Katyusha and other rockets under their beds.”
“When you go to sleep with a missile,” she added, “you might find yourself waking up to another kind of missile.”
In an interview on the US-based official Israeli ‘news’ network, CNN, another Israeli official retorted: “Yes, civilians are being killed [...] not by Israeli design, but because Hezbollah have been allowed to live among them [...] they live and store their weapons, explosives and rockets in Lebanese villages and hide behind the Lebanese civilians.”
How curious this chronic Hornkrantz Syndrome!
“On the dawn of 12 April 1893, the bokmakieries were singing as 200 German soldiers, newly arrived from Europe, took up their position around the small settlement of Hornkrantz. The village was the home of an African tribe, the Witbooi, and, although barely 100 kilometers from Windhoek, the fledgling capital of German South West Africa, Hornkrantz’s occupants had successfully resisted the encroaching Imperial power.”
“The German soldiers, part of one of the largest and most powerful land armies in the world, started firing from three directions, and within thirty minutes 16,000 rounds had been expended by 200 rifles. By the time this torrent of bullets had ceased it had wrought a dreadful carnage. Blood stained bodies and the remains of slaughtered animals were strewn around the settlement.”
“The German captain’s official report immediately following the massacre suggested that Witbooi were neutralised as a fighting force. One cable to Berlin more than a month after the raid suggested that fifty Witbooi soldiers had been killed.”
Gradually, however, it emerged that of the ninety people massacred by the brave soldiers only a few had been ‘able-bodied’ men. Seventy-eight of the victims were in fact women and children – not at all surprising when you attack a village or raid a residential area at the crack of dawn.
“German officialdom was forced to make what it termed ‘an undesirable revision’, it struck upon a brilliantly reply to the accusations. There had been heavy casualties among non-combatants conceded the Director of the German Colonial Department, but this was owing to the cowardice of the Witbooi men who took cover behind their womenfolk when fired upon.”
Another, somewhat less ‘brilliant’ variation of the ‘Hornkrantz Syndrome’ is the response you would get from the white folks in New Zealand. Ask any of them why they had to decimate the Maori population (the brave Brits massacred 5 out of every 6 Maoris – more than 208,000 of the 250,000 population round about the same time – by the 1890s) to steal their land instead of just obtaining the rest of their land by deception, since the deception method had previously worked well in most other parts of the country, and the white 'New Zealander' sporting a smirk on their face would tell you they didn’t kill any Maoris, "didn't have to… the cannibals just kept bumping each other off at tea time!"
Source of quotes on Hornkrantz: Cocker, M., Rivers of Blood, Rivers of Gold: Europe’s Conquest of Indigenous Peoples, London, 1998.
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Posted by: Burton on Jul 25, 2006 2:16 PM
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If we want to see peace in the Middle East, let us see the Palestinians give up the use of war as an instrument of policy against Israel. Let us note since 1973, Egypt, Syria, Iraq, etc., have all made de facto peace with Israel.
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