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Don't Let the Neocons Call It a 'War on Terror'

By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted July 21, 2006.


If we don't challenge the 'war' narrative, the hawks may just get the existential Clash of Civilizations they've spent decades working for.
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Don't Let the Neocons Call It a 'War on Terror'
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There's never been a global war on terror. It's a sham, a ruse. The conflict that's broken out between Israel and Hezbollah shows us, again, how important it is to articulate that. It's a real war, and it has both neocons and Islamic extremists praying that it will escalate into the global Clash of Civilizations that they've long lusted after.

Bush and Congress gave Israel the green light to pummel Lebanon for a while because "Israel is fighting a brave battle in a dangerous front in the War on Terror." And what can we, as Americans, really say about that? After all, we accepted the idea (some of us grudgingly) that there was a global "War on Terror" ourselves -- why shouldn't Lebanon be the next front?

When the media and our political class accepted the war frame, the hawks got a blank check. Everything that followed -- invasions, illegal surveillance and prisoners held in limbo, are all expected during times of war. Once we went to "war," resisting those policies became an uphill fight. War talk justifies powerful states responding to terrorist or insurgent attacks with disproportionate force. That makes the hawks feel macho and will likely create a whole new generation of potentially violent radicals who hate our guts.

We should have fought the "War on Terror" narrative from the beginning. Calling it a "war" is a numerical error, not an ideological difference. There are a few tens of thousands of potentially violent extremists dispersed around the world. They're not gathered in large groups, and you can't distinguish them from ordinary civilians. That makes it fundamentally an intelligence and law enforcement problem (which may require some military support).

But it goes further than that. There's no global war between East and West because there are no discrete sides. First of all, there's no 'Us.' The Western democracies agree that terrorism is a problem, but they are perfectly divided about how to address it. The United States and Israel stand alone in their "wars," the Russians have their "war" with the Chechens and the rest of the world does what simple logic dictates: investigate terror cells and arrest the participants. Sometimes security forces kill them. They've had quite a bit of success.

What's more, we don't really care about Islamic extremism per se. We are no more allied with the Russians in their war with Chechen separatists than we have been with the Chinese as they've cracked down on Islamic groups in Xinjiang. Where U.S. "interests" aren't involved, we're indifferent.

Much more important -- and so many Americans don't get this -- there's no "them." The image of a well-organized global Islamic insurgency is a fantasy. Al Qaeda was one of a dozen Islamic extremist groups that emerged in the 1990s, and Bin Laden was one of a few dozen influential and charismatic militant leaders. Individual groups were fighting separate, distinctly domestic battles; Al-Gama'a al-Islamiyya opposed the Egyptian government, Hezbollah was formed to beat back the Israeli occupation of Lebanon, the Group Islamique Armé rose up to topple Algeria's government, and so on.

All of those conflicts had their own unique contexts and histories, and almost all of those movements had legitimate gripes with some rather unsavory governments. Most Americans couldn't tell you what the struggle between the Philippine government and Abu Sayyaf is all about, and why should they? That battle has little to do with us, as so many of them don't. Some of these "terror groups," remember, were called "freedom fighters" when they were pointed at the Soviets or their client states.

In that landscape, Al Qaeda was unique in one important way: Bin Laden, like his neocon counterparts, saw the world gripped in an existential struggle between East and West. He was jockeying for position with dozens of other movements, none of which were based on a broad, global effort against the United States and its allies. Bin Laden focused on US support for the Saudi government, for Israel, for Egypt's repressive regime (a government that imprisoned and tortured tens of thousands of political Islamists) and he preached that the United States was the head of the snake. First defeat America, and then all those individual, national and very particular battles could be won.

This was not an easy sell. Messing with the U.S., it was widely acknowledged, was not a terribly smart course of action, and many militants had a narrowly focused hatred of their own domestic ideological opponents. It also didn't sit well with Bin Laden's hosts. As Jason Burke writes in his excellent book, Al Qaeda, "it is important to recognize that [Islamist movements] in Yemen and Afghanistan, and the regime in the Sudan, have roots in local contingencies that pre-date Bin Laden." They used the sheik and allowed themselves to be used by him, but their conflicts, too, were domestic in nature. In early 1996, the Sudanese government approached the United States and Saudi Arabia and offered to turn Bin Laden over to their security services. They refused. In May of that year, he returned to Afghanistan, where he had developed a reputation fighting the Soviets.


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There is a global counterinsurgency campaign.
Posted by: wli on Jul 21, 2006 2:41 AM   
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This remains even without a global Islamic insurgency. Look at what the neocons are doing, not what they're saying. And look right here in the US:

1. attacking those who protest against Bush's policies
2. attacking pacifists
3. attacking vegetarians
4. attacking gays
5. attacking alter/anti-globalization activists
6. massive spying campaigns against dissidents
7. implementing draconian police state measures
8. ideological screening in govt. and at US borders
9. extensive propaganda campaigns
10. inducting ultra-right-wingers (esp. neo-Nazis) into the military en masse to train them for a war at home

There is a domestic counterinsurgency campaign in progress, and the US is not the only country doing it. Contrary to what publicly-touted notions of counterinsurgency are, these campaigns are highly political in nature. By no means are they limited to suppressing violent uprisings; they're meant to suppress particular political views and constituencies -- universally those on the left.

The global counterinsurgency campaign is an extension of the same across US-aligned countries in tandem with "regime changes" for the few remaining rejectionist regimes.

At this point I should furthermore clarify "counterterrorism." In early counterinsurgency literature, this meant quite a different thing from the notion peddled for public consumption. It explicitly referred to "terrorism," attacks on civilians intended to stimulate fear and panic, carried out by counterinsurgency forces as a counterweight to the "terrorism" of the "insurgents." The presumption, which was known to be false up-front, was that the only way the insurgents could acquire public support was by terrorizing the population that supported them. In such a manner, gruesome torture and massacres were rationalized in counterinsurgency campaigns across Southeast Asia and Latin America so that the terror inflicted upon the populace by "insurgents," such as union organizers and schoolmarms sympathetic to the plight of the poor, would be overridden by the greater terror of death squads. The tactics such as I describe are well-known to be in use in Iraq to anyone who's paying the slightest attention (c.f. e.g. the big article on the "Salvador option" and the "NATO option" quasi-rebuttal to it; also note Negroponte).

The issue is not so much whether the neocons are actually going about attacking something, but what they're actually attacking. The name "War on Terror," is, of course, deceptive, but that doesn't mean that there's nothing to which it refers.

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» Change the language completely Posted by: falternet
» I know how to spell propaganda Posted by: falternet
» RE: I know how to spell propaganda Posted by: brokenbendystraw
» RE: Change the language completely Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Change the language completely Posted by: brokenbendystraw
Let's stop using the language
Posted by: polyquat50 on Jul 21, 2006 3:33 AM   
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It's time to say we don't buy the argument by refusing to use the language. No more 'war on terror', collateral damage', 'military intelligence', 'illegal aliens' etc etc. It's time to write the dialogue in our own terms. Call a spade a spade.

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sickofskeaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Jul 21, 2006 3:54 AM   
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Ever ask yourself where Israel's artillery, planes etc are coming from? And all the other weapons we see blowing up daily in the middle east? From the good old USofA's military-industrial complex Ike warned us of during his Presidency. They are raking in billions if not trillions from all the wars formented by the criminal cabal in the White House. I count Cheney too as he spends more time in the WH than Bush does, burrowed in his "secret undisclosed location"

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» RE: sickofskeaze Posted by: deo508
» RE: sickofskeaze Posted by: 1984NOW!!!
» RE: sickofskeaze Posted by: helmunator
War on?
Posted by: colinmeister on Jul 21, 2006 3:55 AM   
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The "War on Terror" smacks of a Reagan era war - the "War on Drugs".

We can all see how successful the "War on Drugs" has been by the massive reduction in the number of illegal drug use which has taken place since this war was declared - NOT! It is still hard to drive through some US inner cities without being offered drugs in exchange for cash when stopping at a red light.

One eagerly awaits the outcome of the "War on Terror", will it be as successful as the "War on Drugs"?

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» I agree. Posted by: pol
» Don't forget the War on Poverty Posted by: Artkansas
There is a war on, whoever started it
Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 21, 2006 4:14 AM   
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I agree that the war on terror is led by idiots and has been badly handled. Complaining about the terminology is like the dead end the left got itself into over identity politics. While the war rages around the world, and people are being killed, the left wants to find new terminology for the war. Leave it to the university semiotics departments.

The left should be first engaging with the threat of islamic fundamentalism and second coming with an alternative plan to deal with it. Thirdly, find an ally (easy enough - there are states who don't line up with either party) and get them to carry out this alternative strategy. If it reduces the threat, then lets broadcast that as a best practice. But I will not listen if it involves leaving women to be persecuted, or islamic terrorists to roam free and attack.

I think most people are open to alternative strategies. Let's hear them!

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» RE: There is a war on, whoever started it Posted by: Chickensh*tEagle
» No there isn't Posted by: brunowe
» Good point, Bob Posted by: Habaro
» Oh yeah, this too Posted by: Habaro
really are
Posted by: rsaxto on Jul 21, 2006 4:39 AM   
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But there really are terrorists running around loose and the top three world terrorists are Cheney, Bush and Putin. But there is a nonviolent way to rid the world of these immoral terrorists: IMPEACH THEM! Then interpol and other police organizations can mop up the last vestiges of terrorists.

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» RE: really are Posted by: deo508
» RE: really are sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
» RE: really are sickofsleaze Posted by: 1984NOW!!!
Neocon and Islamic extremesists
Posted by: deo508 on Jul 21, 2006 5:18 AM   
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"It's a real war, and it has both neocons and Islamic extremists praying that it will escalate into the global Clash of Civilizations that they've long lusted after."

Neocons and Islamic extremists are historical babies having both been born with the advent of the insipient invention of a nightmare called Zionizm. Neocon extremist make up a small part of Izraeli and American society while Muslim extremists make up a small part of Islam. How are they able to dominate and dictate to the world their narrow minded objectives so easily?

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Another possibility for the "war on terror"
Posted by: nbrown on Jul 21, 2006 5:24 AM   
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Joshua,

You say the "war on terror" isn't a real war, as properly defined. I agree with you on that.

But let's consider something else for a moment. What if the "war on terror" is just an umbrella term for many wars? The first examples being Afghanistan and Iraq. Next, maybe the government will send people to die in Iran or Syria, further deepening its grip in the energy center of the world.

Also, the "war on terror" isn't a neocon term: it is shared by politicians in both parties. And beyond simple words, its execution is supported by both parties. Even Russ Feingold wants war with Iran and/or Syria. Kerry said he would have invaded Iraq even without WMD. Hillary Clinton is participating in rallies for Israeli terrorism.

It would do people a lot of good, I think, to recognize that the Democrats aren't on their side. We need to begin developing new, creative, and decentralized alternatives to the electoral status quo.

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The US and Israel are in occupation mode, not war
Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 21, 2006 5:44 AM   
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War is a distraction used to keep the "cut and run" weapon in handy. If they were really honest by admitting that it's nothing more than failed occupations, it would have been harder for them to use the "cut and run" weapon against dissenters. I hope the dissenters pick up on this and reframe the issue.

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» Lauren Turned Me On Posted by: falternet
Blinded by the light
Posted by: blackinjun on Jul 21, 2006 5:58 AM   
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Dear Joshua or Jesus, whatever:

I think you should stop with your misdirection too... This idiocy IS a war on terror for christians and their neocon buddies....Xtians are terrorized that Islam is the fastest growing religion in america..

http://www.iol.ie/~afifi/BICNews/Islam/islam21.htm

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» And Us Non-Christians Posted by: Artkansas
» RE: And Us Non-Christians Posted by: blackinjun
» RE: Blinded by the light Posted by: deo508
» RE: Blinded by the light Posted by: blackinjun
Chickenshit Bush
Posted by: shangrilalad on Jul 21, 2006 5:59 AM   
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BUSH 'PLAYFULLY' slaps Rep. Al Green at NAACP convention.

That was hard slap and a cheap shot, which shows that Bush is a punk.

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» RE: Chickenshit Bush Bush sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
Bush has this one right... It's a "War on Terra"
Posted by: xbj on Jul 21, 2006 6:20 AM   
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Their own private little joke.

Terra being short for "Terra Firma", latin for "Planet Earth."

And believe that this is a war, by the cabal that took over the United States, against the entire rest of Planet Earth. Because these morons have effectively alienated every single last one of our allies, and united every single last one of our enemies against us.

And the countries that were on the fencepost, as it were, like Russia and China? The ones that could have gone either way?

Uh, no longer allies. Not by a long shot. In fact, planning all out nuclear and nonconventional war against the US as we speak the second this insane cabal nukes Iran out of desperation or at the point of Israeli blackmail. One way or another, the US loses their "War on Terra".

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» RE: I don' think it is that bad. Posted by: boatboy_srq
The Fall Lineup
Posted by: lamar on Jul 21, 2006 6:22 AM   
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The War on Terror: brought to you by the same jagoffs who brought you last season's hit, "The War on Christmas," and the awarding winning crime drama, "The War on Drugs."

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Real reason for middle east conflict
Posted by: Reader11722 on Jul 21, 2006 6:30 AM   
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Israel's war to de-stabailize the Middle East is a sideshow. As Israel attacks, the US erodes rights at home by stealing private lands, banning books like "America Deceived" by E.A. Blayre III and illegally tapping our phones. Soon, the US will invade Iran, throwing the entire region into chaos. Mix in another false-flag attack on the US (like 9/11) and the masses will beg for One World Gov't.
Last link (before Google Books bends to One World Gov't and drops the title):
http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore
/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0

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Of the terror, by the terror and for the terror
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jul 21, 2006 6:58 AM   
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The use and mis-use of the word terror has disturbed me for many years. What is any war but an application of terror? Is Israel's occupation of Palastine not an application of terror? What about our occupation of Iraq? How was Dick Chaney's shock and awe campaign not terrorism?

It is not only the powerless that can commit terrorism. If we want to conduct a war on terror, let us begin at home and vow to not continue being a party to it.

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The absurdity of the "War on Terror"
Posted by: yokomiya on Jul 21, 2006 7:12 AM   
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Ever since people started using the term "War on Terror," I often wondered why no one questions the impossibility and absurdity of the term. You cannot wage a war on terror which is an emotion and abstract concept. A successful execution of war requires the careful study o the enemy. With its refusal to even specify, let alone study the enemy, the War on Terror dooms itself to failure.
But then, the value of the War on Terror for this administration is in the vagueness and absurdity of the term itself. The War on Terror can be manipulated to target anyone who opposes them, and they have been doing just that.
I is abundantly clear that the administration’s War on Terror lead the country only into financial and moral bankruptcy. Yes, it is about time we challenge such empty concept as War on Terror, and ask for the specific plans and accountability.

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Terrorists R US
Posted by: cold2touch on Jul 21, 2006 7:22 AM   
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And that's the fact. If USA pulled out of ME and Muslim world, developed innovative energy solutions and used the money to pay down foreign debt and rebuild a country and society devastated by decades of depredations by robber barons and their political lickspittles, watch how quickly we would garner world's respect and how quickly this so-called islamic terror would dissipate.
As it stands, we have a global Mafioso complain that no one heeds law.
War on Terror should be fought within this very administration and its subversive think tanks, who may be plotting the next 9/11 at this moment.

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» RE: Terrorists R US Posted by: Phenix
» RE: Terrorists R US Posted by: cold2touch
» RE: Terrorists R US Posted by: Phenix
» RE: Terrorists R US sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
A little late
Posted by: Phenix on Jul 21, 2006 8:54 AM   
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It would have been nice to see this article way back in lets say 2003 instead of 2006. We lost the battle then but its nice to see that you can connect the dots that so many of us connected in 2001-3.

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» RE: A little late Posted by: Joshua Holland
Does anyone really believe . . . .
Posted by: owleyes on Jul 21, 2006 8:54 AM   
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That we could force the Bush administration to change its language if we tried? Does anyone believe that anything would change if we did?

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» RE: Does anyone really believe . . . . Posted by: Joshua Holland
Terrorism and Fear
Posted by: needlefoot on Jul 21, 2006 9:26 AM   
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Terrorists have been salted among the human species since the first caveman picked up a club and used it to threaten another caveman. I suspect they'll be with us until the human species destroys itself. They afflict every society on the face of this poor old planet. However, I believe, as does Holland, that fighting terrorists is a police matter, using intelligence and occasional military back-up - small, rapid-deployment units.
Bush and his neocons have used terrorism as a way to generate fear, and so many of us have so willingly complied by cowering in the shadows and allowing Bush to hold our hand as he protects us. Fear is such a wonderful depressant to sane action. As long as we perceive ourselves to be safe (and can continue to consume at our normal rate) we are willing to give up our freedoms (such as they are) and swallow the "war on terror" dicta.

I don't know whether or not God exists, but, if I were Him, I would be close to deciding that it's time for another species to take a shot at intelligent evolution.

Diane

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"First look to the rectification of names,"
Posted by: Lloyd Drako on Jul 21, 2006 9:54 AM   
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Confucius said, "and let all else fall into place around that." This article does so better than any I've read, with valuable historical insights, especially around the apparently pivotal events of 1998. It's been a commonplace since whenever that war against a tactic makes little sense.

So, are we at war?

Well, American troops have been dying at a pretty regular clip in Iraq, and for most of us that's enough.

Terrorists? Probably should have been treated as a law enforcement problem, and not as a "war" at all--with the regrettable exception of Afghanistan, where maximum "shock and awe" would have been better deployed than in Iraq.

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» RE: Shock and Awe in Afghanistan Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
"Them" - Who are we fighting?
Posted by: eyeman on Jul 21, 2006 10:12 AM   
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My fear is that "them" in many minds means Muslims and sometimes all nonwhites outside of the US. My Evidence is that they include Cat Stevens (peace activist) and Saddam (Dictator) and all Iraqis and Palestinians, Chechen fighters, and Turkey (secular Muslims), Even Rush Limbaugh called Kofi Annan "Big Islam". By the way Kofi is from West Africa bur not a Muslim.
I Think the use of them - the way it is - smacks of racism or bigotry or both. Here are some possible answers
Who is "Them"
9/11 that is 19 people
Al Qaeda Few Thousands - say 3000 - 5000
All Saudis That is 20 million
All Muslim Extremist groups Say 10000-20000
All Muslims (including non Arabs): say 1300000000
All Arabs ( Including other faiths) 280000000
Who is this war against? Exactly ???
I think that the lack of definition is not an accident. it is meant to stir up nationalistic -- "patriotic" -- racist attitude.

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Missiles
Posted by: YogiBear on Jul 21, 2006 10:17 AM   
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But the deal had run into a snag three weeks earlier, when the United States had launched its cruise missiles...The missile attack was a disaster with far-reaching consequences. Those Tomahawks validated all of Bin Laden's claims.

In his book, Richard Clarke points out that the missile attack missed bin Laden by about 20 minutes - -the same amount of time it took for the missiles to arrive at their desitnation from their launch point. All it would have taken, Clarke surmised, is for a lone individual with a cellphone on the Pakistani shore watching the ships, to alert people in the camp that the missiles had been fired. But there weren't supposed to have been any ships parked off the shore. The original plan called for the use of submarines. They were not used, Clarke said, because of posturing in the Navy general staff.

But for the egos of a few admirals, 9/11 and all this shit might never have happened.

If the missile attacks had succeeded, back before we all knew who this bin Laden was, the right wingers would undoubtably have used it to rail against Clinton anyways.

As was obvious in the months leading up to September 2001, Bush and the neoconservatives clearly didn't care a whit about the potential threat from Osama bin Laden, nor his "base" Al Qaeda. But the terrorist atatcks sure did give them the opportunity to enact their predetermined agenda of middle-east domination anyways. The attack on Iraq always was going to be.

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» RE: Missiles Posted by: Joshua Holland
Take your lunch money
Posted by: Liger on Jul 21, 2006 11:17 AM   
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I find it interesting that you twist this into one fundamentalist group against another. If that is the case then how do you explain India’s long dance with terrorism? What about the scores of other violence around the world by extreme Muslims? Are you saying that the “Holy War” as stated by the enemy does not exist or just the war against terror? Are you saying that 9/11 was not an act of war? Are you saying that all terrorist acts around the globe are somehow related to US and Israeli foreign policy? I am afraid that you can’t see the forest from the trees. Just look around the globe and see how many conflicts exist between Muslims and countless other countries and groups (not just the US and Israel).

Moreover, how do you intend to negotiate with thugs? Yeah, it sounds nice in an academic sense but we all live in the real world where this sort of thing cannot be dealt with by simply shaking hands and negotiating. That’s been tried for many years with fruitless results! For example, India has been dealing with terrorism for a long time. In Mumbai a series of bomb blasts ripped through 13 places in the city, killing 257 people and injuring 713 back in 1993. Their approach of negotiations and appeasement has resulted in the latest train bombings that killed nearly 200 and injured many more.

Here in the US under Mr. Clinton, we had the first world trade center bombings and the USS Cole bombings and there was little response to both of those acts of war against us (which it is taking no action that I presume you support). The result of our “turn the other cheek” attitude was 9/11.

Israel has been dealing with the Muslim thugs for many years. They have tried appeasement through giving up land and negotiations. That has proven of little value. So what other course is left for the civilized world? Moreover, why should we (the civilized world) negotiate with countries that support thugs and terrorist groups? Should we pretend like it doesn’t exist and simply keep taking blows and debate it into eternity (which is what you seem to be advocating). I support diplomatic measures with sovereign countries, but not with thugs and terrorist groups. Nothing good has ever come from negotiating with fundamental thugs. Look at what happened in WWII and Europe’s approach to fascists in Germany – we had to use military might to bail them out.

So the quest is, do we let the fascist Muslims annihilate us? Is that what you want? Or do we band together and crush the enemy? Do you understand that these extremists don’t care about you and your “progressive” propaganda? They would put a bullet between your eyes before ever negotiating with you. They love pushover cowards like you and your “progressive” friends because you never draw hard lines and say enough is enough to people that make real threats. Extremists want your “progressive” policies in place so that they can push you down and take your lunch money. So that they can get what they want – the death of Israel and the balance of the civilized world.

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Oh, God, at last!!!
Posted by: Ellen Remore on Jul 21, 2006 11:20 AM   
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I never thought I'd live long enough to read an article in which someone would actually point out what has been obvious to me for quite some time--i.e., that there hasn't been any "war on terror" since the Bushies decided that they had bigger fish to fry than catching the guys who masterminded the mass murder of 3,000 of our countrymen. What they've given the same terminology since then has been a sham, which for them has also been The Great Enabler. Now if only we could get a few more seemingly intelligent people to realize that the hordes of terrorists Bush has them convinced are about to nuke Bismarck, N.D., are every bit as substantial as the hordes of monsters who dwelt under their childhood beds!

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» RE: Oh, God, at last!!! Posted by: deo508
WORDS DO COUNT - UNLESS BUSH UTTERS 'EM
Posted by: chanceny on Jul 21, 2006 11:41 AM   
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The term 'war on terror' started on the crayola strewn drawing board (same one used by Colin Powell for his pictoral UN nukes-are-a'comin' display) atop the desk of Rove, faxed to Fox with cc to Murdoch,and, not to be scooped, was greedily picked up by the AP, UP and every other pea brain bloviator our 'liberal' media flings in our faces ad nauseum. Sure, we can now go out of our way and start NOT using the terminology they're so good at coining, but, to what avail? What we need do with that phrase is turn it back on the terror within our midst - the true treasonous terrorists that deploy our children to decimate other innocent children in our never ending warfare against humanity itself. We are headed for Amegeddon, with those most happy for that outcome sitting in the midst of the most powerful men in the world, encouraging and helping to create policies of US foreign affairs. We need to fight our war on terror right here!

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I also don't believe shampoo called "Gorgeous Hair" will give me gorgeous hair.
Posted by: Sojourner on Jul 21, 2006 11:43 AM   
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But I do not think it is PR that has kept the Demos quiet.

"Life is what happens while you're busy doing other things" John Lennon told us.

While the MSM is busy talking about the WOT, the US has made a major investment of money and lives to keep our oil-based economy rolling. Iraq is busy tearing itself apart in sectarian pieces, just like Yugoslavia. US policy can easily manage to run their individual oil economies for them, since they will need cash to buy our arms to continue to kill each other. It's called real politik.

The only thing we have to worry about in Iraq is that they gang up on us. Not a big worry.

The Demos are quiet because they fundamentally agree and really do not see an alternative, certainly at this point, to Bush's policies. You see, Bush learned as a CEO that being liked or popular or right (pace Nader) doesn't matter when your hands are on the reins.

The left might as well beat its head on a wall as oppose the war in Iraq. Or spin its wheels making fun of the deliberate lies that pass for policy. Big f*ing joke, except it's on us.

So how about something useful, such as turning the UN to the job of ending terrorism? Oh, they cannot do it? Because everybody in the UN thinks the other guy is a terrorist? Fancy that.

Currently American leadership amounts to being the world's policeman. That also allows us to accept under-the-table payments like Iraqi oil.

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sickofsleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Jul 21, 2006 11:50 AM   
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I am almost as sick of hearing what passes for "intelligence" made a houshold word as I am sick of the sleaze of this administration. Is anybody naive enough to believe that an American "passing thru Afghanistan" is a tourist and not there to gain information; thus viewing it as an opportunity to give false information. What do you think would happen to a sheep farmer if he told the "tourist" there was an Al Quaida cell over the hill? Also did anyone believe during the shock and awe campaign that bin Ladin was holed up in that stronghold. bin Ladin was over the border into Pakistan on his way to Saudi Arabia before the first bomb fell. That border is as porous as Bush's head

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It's All In The Wording
Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Jul 21, 2006 1:07 PM   
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As the article laments, "The War On Terror" is a ruse. Who is being terrorized? Iraq, Lebanon, Afghanistan surely are by the presence of foreign troops either by invasion or by air assault.
Americans feel the terror in their minds. Although the World Trade Center was a terrorist attack, weve tore up two countries with our way of fighting terror-with violence.
Smart ones know you can't fight an idea or thought with the military. When this occurs an area becomes a mass grave and it in goes our logic, reasoning, understanding, compassion, love, hope and our future is buried along with the dead.
Our skies aren't filled with the sounds of military planes like Iraq or some other hell we created. Terror is seeing large numbers of cruise missiles leveling Najaf or jets pounding Kabul.
Terror is also imagined, which is what we think could happen and there's no way to stop it. Terror is seeing an innocent child caught in a gang crossfire.
But what our government calls a "war" on "terror' isn't really a war. The opposing side doesn't wear a uniform. No visible insignia to be seen.
It's all in the wording-or packaging. Don't buy it.

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Preemptive/Aggressive War By President George Bush & NeoCons
Posted by: YANIRA06_66 on Jul 21, 2006 1:58 PM   
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From the beginning President Bush's War on Terrorism was a Phony War to cover his Preemptive/Aggressive War against Afghanistan and Iraq.

9/11 was the cover even though the American people never questioned why we were attacking Afghanistan rather than Saudia Arabia (isn't that where the majority of hijackers originated?) So bin Laden was the culprit and we were going to bring him to justice "dead or alive!" In the meantime, we are going to do some nation-building to allow an oil pipeline to be constructed through Afghanistan.

To muddy the waters more Saddam Hussein was a threat to the only military superpower that existed - the U.S. Of course, it took less than a week to prove that a lie. And along the way, WMD, chemical warfare, and other lies. However, Americans settled for "Saddam was a bad guy." Although, nobody asked why he was our (U.S.) guy for so long? Anyway, we managed to screw our military with the dumb planning by Rumsfeld the Great and now we're in the crap bin!

Not to worry though, King David warriors have come to the rescue! Never let it be said that Israel was not only a wannabe Superpower it knew how to do so wearing a victim's face.

So let's not fool ourselves about what's going on. We have a mess on our hands of our own making, and we are going to pay for it!

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Play it again Uncle Sam....HA!
Posted by: i_R_i on Jul 21, 2006 2:31 PM   
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Some think that the USA is being a little harsh on the Vietnam era throwbacks with the bongs, red diapers and dirty pony tails. I think not. I believe there is enormous evidence that certain elements in this country would qualify as enemy agents, subversives, seditious ratbastards or in short, traitors. If elected President I promise to re-enact the following law passed in 1918. I'd suggest patriotic Americans with eye for a good stock look into one of my favorites...ACME Hemp and RazorWire, Ltd.



United States, Statutes at Large, Washington, D.C., 1918, Vol. XL, pp 553 ff.
SECTION 3. Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully make or convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States, or to promote the success of its enemies, or shall willfully make or convey false reports, or false statements, . . . or incite insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or shall willfully obstruct . . . the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, or . . . shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States . . . or shall willfully display the flag of any foreign enemy, or shall willfully . . . urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of production . . . or advocate, teach, defend, or suggest the doing of any of the acts or things in this section enumerated and whoever shall by word or act support or favor the cause of any country with which the United States is at war or by word or act oppose the cause of the United States therein, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both....

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» RE: Play it again Uncle Sam....HA! Posted by: Joshua Holland
Terrorism Pandemic
Posted by: mll on Jul 21, 2006 2:32 PM   
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I suggest that a more effective designation of our activities is that we are trying to cure a "Terrorism Pandemic"

If we really were fighting World War III, then we would look back to what happened during WW2, and consider:

. Wage controls?

. Gas Rationing?

. Internment (or whatever) camps?

. "Divide nations into Allies, Neutrals?, and Enemies, and do what ever is necessary to eliminate the Evil behavior of the Enemies?

. Have the president run for a 3-rd and perhaps 4-th term?

. Draft at least the specialities that are required, if not the general population?

. Accept as a standard war practice the targeted killing of civilians to discourage the other side?

. Finish it in 5-10 years from its start, e.g.

. accept about "62 million people, or 2.5% of the world population, died in the war" about 25 million soldiers and 37 million civilians

etc.? ...


Note: I am only discussing WW2, if we go back to WW1, of course the use of Gas, Torture... is part of the WW scenario.


On the other hand, if we look at this as trying to cure a Pandemic then we try to "Drain the Swamp", Vaccinate the people who are exposed, etc. We look at trying to cure the desease rather than killing the people...

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false flag is standard practice
Posted by: kogwonton on Jul 21, 2006 2:42 PM   
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Anyone who wants to understand standard operating procedure in dealing with
insurgent groups or 'terrorism' should simply look up the word "Gladio". Wikipedia
has an extremely well sourced and cross referenced section devoted to this term.
I must thank another Alternet reader for this well documented fountain of information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladio

One doesn't need to research Gladio to see the pattern of false flag terror,
but the sheer volume of documented evidence connected to Gladio, and therefore
to NATO, the CIA, Nazis, and other 'terrorist' groups (spanning fifty years)
is mind boggling. What does become clear is that standard operating procedure
is to infiltrate and control (not infiltrate and destroy) 'terrorist' organizations,
and use them for your own nefarious purposes - especially that of making sure
an undesirable political viewpoint is associated with 'communism' or extremist
violence. The history of the last fifty years of Italy, Greece, and other Eastern
European nations is riddled with publicly available information about such activities.

And still we are only allowed to use the old addage 'Who Profits?' when it
concerns nonpolitical crime. Following the money, the power shifts, or policy
changes in the aftermath of a terrorist incident is off limits. For those of
you who shun any kind of consideration of the possibility of false flag operations,
I have a list of perfectly rational reasons to consider the 'Global War On Terror'
as nothing but an Orwellian pile of very dangerous bullshit.
http://www.peace-justice.com/global-terror.html

Every bit of information in this article comes from sources which even the
most Ardent Conservative would have trouble criticizing.

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-->bullshit alert
Posted by: johndoraemi on Jul 21, 2006 3:11 PM   
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"9/11 was destined to happen one way or another, even if Bush had paid attention to that famous briefing at his ranch in Crawford."

No, 9/11 was not "destined" to happen. Human agency made it happen.

Since most propaganda is mostly true, and subtly tries to sneak in its message, so too does this article. As most of Alternet's content is just a slightly different take on neoliberal corporatism, this article is suspect and supports the "incompetence theory" of 9/11, which can be shown to be bunk.

For starters, they lied to the American people repeatedly. See my article: 9/11 Ignorance is Strength?

Secondly, it was in their plan(s) that America should suffer a "new Pearl Harbor," and that war pretexts can be manufactured a la Operation Northwoods with staged terrorist attacks.

While this author pretends that there was just one warning, the August 6th daily brief, this is false:

"Newspapers in Germany, France, Russia and London reported in the months before September 11th of a blizzard of warnings delivered to the Bush administration from all points on the compass. The German intelligence service BND warned American and Israeli agencies that terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft and use them as weapons to attack important American targets. Egypt warned of a similar plane-based plot against Bush during the G-8 summit in Genoa last June, a warning taken so seriously that anti-aircraft batteries were placed around Columbus Airport in Italy."

"Last August (2001), Russian intelligence services notified the CIA that 25 terrorist pilots had been trained for suicide missions, and Putin himself confirmed that this warning was delivered "in the strongest possible terms" specifically regarding threats to airports and government buildings. In that same month, the Israeli security agency Mossad issued a warning to both the FBI and CIA that up to 200 bin Laden followers were planning a major assault on America, aimed at vulnerable targets. The Los Angeles Times later confirmed via unnamed US officials that the Mossad warnings had been received." -Newsweek, May 20, 2002

Ye of little memory, it is really only the Genoa G-8 evidence that is required to show high treason. Bush was physically MOVED from his high rise hotel during the Genoa summit, and anti aircraft missiles were installed around the city of Genoa because of a "known al Qaeda plot to assassinate Bush and other world leaders" (LA Times, September 27, 2001)

When Bush was informed that "America is under attack" (allegedly spoken by Andrew Card in the classroom), his subsequent behavior was treasonous. He sat there and did nothing as AMERICA WAS UNDER ATTACK!

This dereliciton of duty, given what Bush knew beforehand means that Bush was in on the plot, was in no danger during the attacks, and that he was stalling for time--as he was told to do by Ari Fleischer.

And none of that was "destined to happen."

These "liberal" apologists for the criminal and treasonous regime make me want to puke.

Next we need to talk about the Florida "flight school" of Mohamed Atta, which was a protected "Air America" type drug smuggling operation (Hopsicker), and the $100,000 sent to Atta from the head of Pakistani Intelligence (who remains free and unpursued by American "justice" to this day). And the FBI calling off investigations of terrorists, blocking warrants, obstructing justice, the CIA allowing known terrorists to enter and leave the US repeatedly...

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Someone here tell us how
Posted by: falternet on Jul 21, 2006 3:20 PM   
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It occured to me I have not read a proposal to solve the problems and wars. Someone tell me how to end it all? Give me steps 1-10 or whatever that will lead to world peace.

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What war?
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jul 21, 2006 4:57 PM   
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Article I, section 8 of the Constitution states that: The Congress shall have power to ... declare war . Congress has never declared war on Iraq, so there is a serious difficulty in arguing that we have ever been at war with Iraq. In fact, why would we be at war with Iraq? Did they declare war on us? Did they attack us?

More importantly, in May 2003 George W. Bush announced the end of major combat activities in Iraq. Whether you call the activities up to that time an invasion or a war, we should take Bush at his word and conclude that the invasion or war was then over. Since that time, the United States has been occupying Iraq, and an occupation is not at all the same thing as a war.

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What are they doing...
Posted by: paintthestreets on Jul 21, 2006 7:37 PM   
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...to this country? Our freedoms and democratic policies have long been shot to shit, and now is when we take notice?

Instead of being nostalgic for the Reagan era, let's not be lazy and expect there to be some politician that will rise from the pack and help us through the hard times. Truth is, Bush is dumb, dumber than lots of politicians, but a politician nonetheless. And we still aren't convinced that any other politician will do a better job (but we hope that they won't do worse), at least that's what many felt when they hit the polls in '04.

No, we can't expect politicians to be honest and nice and charismatic and possess leadership qualities. We don't train leaders anymore, we breed politicians. And politicians generally suck. In fact, it's usually the politician who plays hardball and is good at damage control that we like the best, not the honest and caring one, cause they don't survive. So, what do we want, and is that what we need?

So what to do? I'd say take a stand, but the only obstacle that'll stop us dead in our tracks before we even begin to perturb the assholes we've grown to hate in Washington is our very own indifference and hopelessness.

...so maybe we should do something about our self-image before we even think about coming up with solutions. This isn't a spectator's sport, and neither should it be one. All who trail behind are at the mercy of the elements...anyone with me here?

Peace, everyone.

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SteveCap
Posted by: SteveCap on Jul 22, 2006 8:59 AM   
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George Lakoff articulates often on framing the argument, and it has been said that he who frames the argument, wins the debate. While framing is important, you can break through the charade by intellegently destroying their "facts", reguardless of how dumbed down the audience is. It is no secret that Bush and Co. have wanted to take out Assad in Syria and Hussein since before he was pres. They are not looking to broker a peace deal because they are looking to destabilize the entire region, and take it over. Israel's strings are being pulled by the US due to the billions in aid they recieve from us, mostly for defense. This is a greater "war" for staking a claim to oil. I recently saw a program on increased foreign aid to Columbia, in the guise of "the war on drugs", but it is actually to displace people so they can go after the oil reserves there. Bush, Inc. is traveling the globe in a quest to secure oil, that is what he really means by "protecting the American people".

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We might need more war.
Posted by: WhatNow? on Jul 23, 2006 2:51 PM   
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Why is it when the corporate owned government declares a war on a word we get more problems? The war on drugs just seem to make more problems and we still get as many or more drugs. The war on terror has made terrorism a bigger problem. It seems we are getting more terrorism now too. Ok, so we haven't had another terrorist attack in the US. Do you think the dead in New Orleans care whether a terrorist killed them or bad management by the government did?

I want a war on clean air, a war on clean water, a war on contraception, a war on quality education for all willing to attend, and many others too.

We could use more clean water, clean air, contraception, quality education and the likes. Declaring war on a word seems to give us more of that word so why not these wars? Wouldn't it be nice to have a problem with too much of the things I listed in the previous paragraph.

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Slap the hell out of Newt Gingrich before he starts World War 3
Posted by: Zenseeker on Jul 24, 2006 12:35 PM   
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It is a shame what they are doing. Thank you for speaking up Josh. Take out your frustration here:

Slap Newt Gingrich to Stop WW3
Slap the Truth out of Joe Lieberman
Ann Coulter Dominatrix
BackStabbing Lieberman

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The problem, Joshua...
Posted by: Burton on Jul 25, 2006 2:41 PM   
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There's never been a global war on terror. It's a sham, a ruse.

....is that this has been true since the war on terror got started on 12 September 2001. So why has the left been unable to get its act together to effectively oppose "W"? For that matter, why has the left been unable to oppose that other assault on our liberties, the war on drugs?

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Absolutely essential
Posted by: vand on Jul 30, 2006 2:25 PM   
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Yes! Yes! Yes! Thank you Joshua Holland! I can't emphasize enough how clearly, profoundly essential this reframing of communication/consciousness is. I am so grateful you finally articulated it. The declarative truth: "There is no global war on terror" must be consistently restated by people of conscience to even begin a constructive "peace process".. This as a function of a thorough reformulation of our self-destructive language of domination, developed over centuries of militant imperialism, environmental destruction and unhealthy competitive self-righteousness. If we are to ever become peace-loving populations, we must confront all our fearful misconceptions, knowing our common human struggle is for a respectful co- existence in which resources, responsiblility and reverence are shared creatively, honestly, beneficially. The first assignment for the Department of Peace is the immediate draft of a Peace Dictionary. Remember "arms are for hugging"? The "war on terror" has become a "war of errors" in judgement, ethics, "intelligence"...a "blank check" as you noted, for ruthless imperialism, war-mongering and victim blaming.
Interdependently, the war industry must be retooled for peaceful, ecological survival under the guidance of an empowered UN. If homo sapiens can do it, we better do it now.

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