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Mutually Assured Destruction in the Middle East

By Chris Hedges, Truthdig. Posted July 19, 2006.


With Israeli and Hezbollah leaders giving no signs of backing down, the bloodshed now engulfing the Mideast will only get worse.
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Israel's air, land and sea blockade of Lebanon, which includes jet fighter strikes against the airport in Beirut, presages a new era in the Middle East, one in which the center has collapsed and Muslim and Jewish extremists, capable only of the language of violence, determine the parameters of existence. These strikes, like the suicide bombings carried out by Islamic militants in Iraq or Israel, expose the Ahab-like self-immolation that now inflects the region. And unless it is halted soon, unless those fueling these conflicts learn to speak another language, unless they break free from an indulgence in collective necrophilia, the Middle East will slip into a death spiral.

This has been a long time coming. The Bush administration never had any interest in helping to broker Middle Eastern peace agreements. This willful negligence was seen as befriending Israel, along with the bizarre demands of the Christian right. In fact, the administration befriended only an extreme political wing in Israel that, since the death of Yitzhak Rabin, has done a pretty effective job of endangering the Jewish state by dismantling all mechanisms for peace and turning Israel into an international pariah. As the machinery of Middle Eastern diplomacy rusted shut with disuse it was gleefully replaced by harsher Israeli closures, curfews, shelling and airstrikes. Palestinians have, since Bush arrived in office, been reduced by Israel to a subsistence existence matched only by Africans'. And the tools of repression against Palestinians now match those once imposed on South African blacks by the apartheid regime, with the exception that the South Africans never sent warplanes to bomb the townships.

And why should this not be so? In this binary worldview, force is the only thing Arabs understand. This logic only fuels those in the Arab world who also speak exclusively in the language of violence. The escalating repression by Israel, like the escalating repression by the American occupiers in Iraq, has become the most potent recruiting tool for Islamic extremists. It has rendered each side deaf and dumb. As those under the boot of Israel or America lose all hope for justice, as they give up on peaceful recourses to ameliorate their plight, as they fall into despair, it throws them, by default, into the hands of extremists. And as the extremists grow and their attacks became more deadly, it likewise helps silence those in Israel and the United States who call for compassion, restraint and understanding. It is difficult to argue with those holding up bloodied corpses. Each side finds it useful to keep the supply coming.

In this demented world, friend and foe need each other. Hamas and Hezbollah yearn, on some level, for Israeli airstrikes against civilians just as the hard right in Israel yearns in some dark way for suicide bombers. The indiscriminate violence of one justifies the indiscriminate violence of the other. The violence stokes the fear that is the driving force behind all messianic, violent movements -- American, Jewish and Muslim. And since these groups have nothing to offer other than violence, they need fear to keep those around them compliant. The atrocities committed by one -- real or imagined -- make possible the atrocities of the other.

Does anyone in the Israeli government really believe that attacking Lebanon and killing more than 60 Lebanese civilians will ensure the freedom of the two captured Israeli soldiers? There have been hostages, including Israeli hostages, taken captive in Lebanon before, and most have been freed through long and painful negotiations. If the Israelis do believe in this violence, it is a sad indication of how out of touch they are with the world that opposes them.

We cannot ascribe equal amounts of moral blame to all sides. Israel is the oppressor in Gaza, the West Bank and now Lebanon. America is the oppressor in Iraq. And there can be no hope for a peaceful resolution to these conflicts until Iraqis are freed from American occupation and Palestinians are allowed to build a viable state. It is the distorting and dehumanizing effects of occupation that made possible the proliferation of extremist groups that, albeit on a smaller scale, simply hand back to the occupier some of their own medicine. The numbers, after all, make clear that most of the victims are Palestinian, Iraqi and now Lebanese civilians, although the numbers game can also obscure the fact that the murder of any innocent by any group is indefensible.

This is the world of the apocalypse. It is the world where those on either extreme become indistinguishable. And if we do not find a new way to speak, and soon, there will be untold suffering -- not only for many innocents in the Middle East but eventually innocents at home. It was the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon that spawned and empowered Hezbollah.

It was the decades-long occupation and humiliation of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank by Israel that spawned and empowered Hamas, and it is the brutal American occupation that has bred the legions of extremists in Iraq. And when Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah promises "open war" against Israel, as he did in an address shortly after his Beirut offices were bombed, and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert says he won't cease his attack until Israel is secure, it is time to run for cover, especially when George W. Bush is our best hope for peace.

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Chris Hedges, the former Middle East bureau chief for The New York Times, is a senior fellow at The Nation Institute. He has 15 years of experience reporting from war zones in the Persian Gulf, El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Colombia, the West Bank and Gaza, Sudan, Yemen, Algeria, the Punjab, Bosnia and Kosovo.

In 2002, he shared a Pulitzer Prize for The New York Times’ coverage of global terrorism. Hedges is the author of the bestseller “War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning.”

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.untold suffering
Posted by: aurora2484 on Jul 19, 2006 2:33 AM   
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This is the world of the apocalypse. It is the world where those on either extreme become indistinguishable. And if we do not find a new way to speak, and soon, there will be untold suffering -- not only for many innocents in the Middle East but eventually innocents at home.

What does he mean, "soon"?
There already is "untold suffering", for "many innocents in the Middle East". More than 2,000 every month killed in Iraq alone - 3,000 in June '06.

so, correctly, it should read, "for many more innocents in the Middle East..."

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» RE: .untold suffering Posted by: saywhat
The friends of Israel
Posted by: peridot on Jul 19, 2006 2:44 AM   
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It has become a right of passage in America for anyone seeking a public office to announce that he or she is 'a friend to Israel' The apparent reason for this fealty is the sure destruction of any who do not so proclaim. There is beyond this fearful oath, no meaningful discourse about this very costly and dangerous relationship. A relationship with an ally and friend who has planted spy's into our security and defence establishments. A friend and ally who has attacked and killed American servicemen. A friend and ally whom the American taxpayer lavishes money and material upon to the diminishment of resourses required for its own great and growing needs. In a functioning democracy, one might seek answers and guidance from its executive leadership. In this democracy that is wasted time and effort. This administration is so corroded by irrational ideology, so corrupt, so inept and dishonest that we must turn to those elected to the deliberative bodies of government. Each and every officeholder, be it a state or federal official, must be asked "Why is MY country supporting Israel, why should I consider Israel MY friend?" Or would this be asking too much?

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old story
Posted by: rsaxto on Jul 19, 2006 3:42 AM   
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It's the old story of mass murder in the cause of nationalism and narrow religions and weapons profits and immorality and mass stupidity which has learned nothing from past wars. It is insanity and mass addiction to obeying gross orders issued by even grosser "leaders". It is running in the narrow path of human extinction caused by weapons so gross that they can kill billions. It is a learning disability leading to doom. It is our fate if we do not wise up soon and stop this despicable insanity by having general and complete disarmament worldwide.

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Perfect clue
Posted by: Perfectclue on Jul 19, 2006 4:10 AM   
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A comment from Perfect Clue:

Everyone should note that we now have wholesale criminality from every nook and cranny of Western class oligarchies, whether they are Neocon Nazis, or Liberal appeasers of Fascism and Zionism. Here we have so called modern nations, "civilized" nations from the Enlightenment that once again have degenerated from their class despotism into proto fascist criminality. The whole of Western Journalism, essentially the corporate media have degenerated into the same disgusting cheerleading class whore they were when they supported aggression in Iraq, and now Israel's fascist invasion of Lebanon. Note everyone both class, business parties, Democratic whores and Republican thugs are cheerleading Israel's aggression, and invasion. The most disgusting class whore was Hillary Clinton in New York surrounded by Liberal Zionists, like Senator Schumer and others saying Sieg Heil to these Nazi Jews. Worse yet, the international laws against this criminality supported by Western powers, of Israel fascist foreign policy, in Lebanon, sit on their hands, as the judicial nazis here in the U.S. sat on their hands for 5 years allowing Guantanamo detainees to rot in Prison without charges. The Nuremburg Principles, and the U.N. charter say the "highest crime" is the act of aggression, yet Kofi Anan, and its wimpy liberal class whores stand aside rolling over to these fascistst that the media calls the "international" community, namely the corrupt class hierarchy, the Security Council which routinely vetoes, with the U.S. and its Western whoring colonial nations corrupting the priniciples of the U.N charter denying the majority of the U.N. any real voice, proof that class hierarchies corrupt real democracy and degenerates into wholesale criminality. Sieg Heil all you whoring Liberal appeasers of Fascism, Zionism and May the Corporate media and its Nazis go to hell.

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You can be in my dream, if I can be in yours....
Posted by: gazooks on Jul 19, 2006 4:52 AM   
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The author began in a manner that, I thought, was going to distinguish his perspective from the host if hopelessly voyeuristic, political agenda laden opinions so often expressed expressed here and elsewhere.

He apparently thinks that America is a religion saying,
"The violence stokes the fear that is the driving force behind all messianic, violent movements -- American, Jewish and Muslim." He can't quite bring himself to say Christian, perhaps the messiest messianic force of all.

In doing so he diverts attention from the religious, the actual underlying drivers of intolerance and fanaticism and of which, until we're ready to splay open and examine without prejudice, we'll be groping fruitlessly for political answers for our tendencies to war and violence.

Does anyone really believe that these parties in conflict can accept a resolution that denies their respective ingrained religious expectations?
How much longer do we contribute to the conflict by pretending that there's a more right or more wrong perpetrator of atrocity?
How many more children will we sacrifice?

"Nobody's right if everybody's wrong."
(Think Dylan said that.)

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» RE: You can be in my dream, if I can be in yours.... Posted by: Robert_Hoogenboom@leftfoot.com.au
» No Dream - Nightmare Posted by: Vani
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Mideast Violence Is Now Simply Predictable
Posted by: ChristopherLL on Jul 19, 2006 5:34 AM   
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America (Truman over Marshall's objection) made the state of Isreal as a home for "displaced persons" after WWII who no longer had homes or were wanted. They of course were mostly Jewish. We created Israel and have supported it in every way possible since 1948. What it has become is a real and symbolic presence in the mideast of American presence. The Arab states have gained power by the wealth we have given them for oil resources. Both Israel and the Arab states are based on religious foundations that permeate all aspects of government, society and culture. It is a religious battle that is based on power rather than cooperation and acceptance. It will only stop when the Arab states lose their standing (when we stopped infusing them with oil money) and simultaneously we moderate our support for Israel (which will happen only happen when we can symbolically "cut the apron strings). It see none of this happening soon so any conflict, bloodshed and turmoil is only predictable and means little to the long term course of the world. China, India and Russia do not participate in these battles, they know better.

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» home for "displaced persons" - no Posted by: russianblue1
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"It's NOT dark yet, but it's getting there"-Bob Dylan
Posted by: wawa on Jul 19, 2006 5:39 AM   
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Israel’s human rights violations in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon are being committed with US weapons financed by US tax dollars!


Israel is using weapons supplied by the United States to target Palestinian & Lebanese civilians and civilian infrastructure in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon in violation of the US Arms Export Control Act and the Geneva Conventions.



The Israeli air force fighter squadrons are composed of Lockheed Martin F-16I Fighting Falcons and Boeing F-15Is, which fire US-manufactured AMRAAM, Sidewinder, and Sparrow missiles. From 2000-2005, the United States licensed to Israel at least $1.062 billion of spare parts, engines, and missiles for its F-15 and F-16 fighter planes.

From 2000-2005, the United States licensed to the Israeli navy more than $572 million worth of patrol boat, ship, and submarine components and spare parts, torpedoes, sonar equipment, and more than $400 million worth of tanks, components, and spare parts.



Israel’s summer of killing civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure in the Gaza Strip is a clear reminder that Israel remains the occupying power of the Gaza Strip despite last year’s “unilateral disengagement”. Living under military occupation, the Palestinians of the Gaza Strip are “protected persons” under the terms of the Geneva Conventions. Israel’s targeting of civilians and civilian infrastructure in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon is a violation of the Geneva Conventions and constitutes war crimes.

In addition, by using US-supplied weapons to commit these atrocities, Israel is violating the terms of the US Arms Export Control Act and Foreign Assistance Act. The Arms Export Control Act restricts the use of US weapons to legitimate self-defense and internal policing; US weapons cannot be used to attack civilians in offensive operations. The Foreign Assistance Act prohibits US aid of any kind to a country with a pattern of gross human rights violations.



In his Second Inaugural Address, President George W. Bush promised:


"In the long run, there is no justice without FREEDOM. There can be no human rights without LIBERTY. All who live in tyranny and hopelessness can know the United States will not ignore your oppression or excuse your oppressors. When you stand for liberty, we stand with you."


SILENCE IS COMPLICITY

RISE UP and remind Bush of his words:

WHITE HOUSE COMMENTS LINE: 202-456-1111
WHITE HOUSE SWITCHBOARD: 202-456-1414
WHITE HOUSE FAX: 202-456-2461

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What's really going on
Posted by: cold2touch on Jul 19, 2006 5:54 AM   
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From Juan Cole's blog today
The death toll late Tuesday stood at 235 people killed in Lebanon and 25 in Israeli. About half of the Israeli deaths were military personnel. Only a handful of the Lebanese deaths have been military, and only a fraction of those have been Hizbullah fighters. In fact, have even ten Hizbullah guerrillas been killed by the Israelis since this fight began? They say it is a fight with Hizbullah. But then they bomb Greek Orthodox churches and milk factories far from Shiite areas.

Indeed.
We have repeatedly seen Israel's military capability to directly strike Hamas militants' cars in crowded Gaza streets by precision guided ordnance.
So far, their Lebanon fighter:civilian kill ratio is less than 5%, against 50% for crudely armed Hezbollah.
I think this speaks volumes, along with Israel's targeting of beachgoer families and the like.
As hard as it is to imagine, Olmert is surrounded by strategists as they stick pins into the maps indicating location of childcare facilities.
Why? According to our dear leaders, because "Israel has a right to defend itself".
Brilliant.
Why didn't Wayne Gacy use that line of defense?

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» RE: What's really going on Posted by: cold2touch
Rite of passage
Posted by: velvel of atlanta on Jul 19, 2006 7:32 AM   
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That is "rite" of passage. You should look it up. But the mistake is no surprise.

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The existence of the religious state of Israel is a monumental failure
Posted by: Robert_Hoogenboom@leftfoot.com.au on Jul 19, 2006 8:02 AM   
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Forgive my ignorance, but weren't the Jews allowed to immigrate into what was Palestine from all over the world in order to solve the Jewish problem, that is, that Jews are persecuted wherever they settle? I have yet to find someone who can tell me why Jews manage to get disliked by everyone like that, even to the extent that Hitler murdered six million of them. Be that as it may, didn't Ben Gurion in 1948 self-proclaim the religious state of Israel, and then proceeded to dispossess and expel the original inhabitants living there, the Palestinians (who claim they are descendants from the Canaanites, who were there before Abraham, the Iraqi, came and took over)? OK, so there was no explicit United Nations mandate sanctioning the establishment of the religious state of Israel. Well, it's clear that the religious state of Israel is a monumental failure and its existence a geopolitical and humanitarian disaster, and the only reason why the area is a problem. Therefore, there should now be a United Nations resolution, explicit this time, calling for the abolishment of the nonsense which is either the religious state of Israel or the yet to be realised religious state of Palestine, and there should henceforth be one state, Greater Palestine, where Palestinians and Jews will be required to live peacefully together, and where life and politics proceed on a completely secular basis, and people’s race creed an colour will be as irrelevant as officially they are in the US, the countries of the EU, Australia, and other advanced nations. And this resolution should be enforced by the UN with peacekeepers or militarily through NATO, etc. No more Jewish state and no more Palestinian state, and no more conflict in the Middle east.

Of course, the United States will never agree to such a UN resolution. It's thinking the unthinkable; it's suddenly seeing that the emperor has no clothes on. One wonders why the US are such staunch supporters of Israel. Israel is playing a dangerous game. If times turn, and the US is no longer interested in helping Israel, as is bound to happen one day, or when the oil runs out to drive the modern Israeli army, with its rockets and planes bombing civilians including children (and not allowing Australians a safe passage out), it will be the end of Israel. The Muslims will come after them with knives and swords, or outmoded Soviet missiles. An eye for an eye and all that, and I doubt even God will be able to help the chosen people.

Why does the US support Israel to the extent it does? Is it because there are so many Jews in high places, or rich?

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I'll say it again . . .
Posted by: FauxPorteno on Jul 19, 2006 8:15 AM   
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In at least 5 separate posts I have stated that the US will likely have to "take out" (or at the very least occupy) Israel before attacking any other perceived enemy of the state. Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, North Korea - challenges to be sure but Israel is bar none the biggest threat to world peace at this moment.

This dispute threatens to suck in at least 2 of the world's remaining 3 world powers. The US is already there in spirit if not in military hardware/Apaches while Russia, which sees in the Middle East a natural counterbalance to the dominance of the US, is feeling frisky newly flush with petrodollars. Can anyone see a return to the proxy wars of the 50-80's? You might throw China into the mix although I seriously doubt they would jeopardize their financial intersts in such a manner but you never know.

My point is that unless BushCo is really prepared to take this all the way then they need to put a fucking muzzle on that dog lest we all go down with them. I don't think this administration is prepared to go down that road just yet - after all we won't even (wisely) confront North Korea at the behest of one of our most steadfast allies.

Likewise it is time to make some serious decisions regarding the future of Israel. Shall they continute to exist in their current incarnation and if so at what point do we guarantee their sovereignty? BY NO MEANS do I agree with their stance on this but there is certainly a tendency by progressives to demonize Israel in the extreme. I have seen some posts that certainly have more than just political fervor fueling them - anti-semitism is clearly alive even amongst liberals. There are generations of Israelis who are not "evil oppressors and butcherers" and had nothing to do with the creation of that state. They are no more butcherers or even oppressors of Palestinians than I am an oppressor of Native Americans. Many of them are like you and me - simply trying to make the best out of a horrible situation they were born into. If we intend to guarantee their security then everyone needs to take a deep breath and realize that Islamic fundies are EVIL and need to be destroyed too. They must be destroyed internally, by their own governments however. That does not nor does it ever seem likely so what to do?

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What Amazes Me...
Posted by: ZPaul on Jul 19, 2006 8:26 AM   
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What amazes me is that there are not more of us organizing to say NO to this madness. A few rich crooks are greedily, methodically, insanely, destroying the world we live in. If we stand idly by while they destroy our brothers and sisters, who do you think will be next? If anybody that reads this is not already working actively to stop these power-mad criminals, it´s high time they started ORGANIZING.

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We live in bad times
Posted by: cold2touch on Jul 19, 2006 9:16 AM   
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I am struck by how almost ANY article here, at the mere mention of the words like Middle East, Israel or Iraq brings out posters seething with outrage and grievance.
How long before legitimate quest for justice denied and redress turns into ugly baying for innocent blood?
How long before benign gives way to malignant?

I was in a hospital elevator the other day when an Orthodox Jew stepped in. People stared at him with undisguised hostility as he kept his eyes to the floor. Quite possibly he may have been as opposed to Israeli atrocities as anyone else but was singled out for his religious garb.
I recoil at hearing Bill Clinton say: All Americans are on Israeli side.
Bullshit Bill says this today, perfectly ready to sing another tune tomorrow.

The same yellow politicians that were enthusiastically humped by AIPAC may be equally happy to lead the lynch mob at AIPAC HQ some day.

Stop the swing of the pendulum now!
Agitate for justice now to prevent injustice tomorrow.

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Best article on Aternet regarding Israel / Arab world yet!
Posted by: LeonDion on Jul 19, 2006 9:21 AM   
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Good job, Mr. Hedges. It is editorials like this which help pierce the propaganda. I especially admire the insight contained in the following passage:

As the machinery of Middle Eastern diplomacy rusted shut with disuse it was gleefully replaced by harsher Israeli closures, curfews, shelling and airstrikes. Palestinians have, since Bush arrived in office, been reduced by Israel to a subsistence existence [...]

And why should this not be so? In this binary worldview, force is the only thing Arabs understand. [...] The escalating repression by Israel, like the escalating repression by the American occupiers in Iraq, has become the most potent recruiting tool for Islamic extremists.


So it is. Those who dominate the debate determine the framing and the perspective. Tilt the viewer's angle in a certain way, and you can make it appear that your enemy is inhuman and a threat.

I got a sense of this growing up in an abusive Roman Catholic family. When the majority accept the myths promulgated by "authority", any individual in the family who breaks away from the dominant mythology faces an uphill battle for emotional health and stability. The family withdraws respect, approval, and affection; things which developing children desperately need. This ostracism does not have to be overt. Not having been effectively regimented in thought, a precocious thinking child like myself reacts with natural feeling, and is subsequently left open to be the target of further abuse.

Oh, pity poor Palestine! We in America are aware of the extremism and bias of the dominant media within our own country. But we are not openly subjected to such a state of apartheid as the Palestinians. To live next door to a rich country like Israel, which offers race-based favors, and which dominates militarily and in the media, must be inhumanly difficult for those people. Imagine being part of a people demonized relentlessly for years.

You said The violence stokes the fear that is the driving force behind all messianic, violent movements -- American, Jewish and Muslim. The extremists who rule Israeli love it because it plays into their demonization of the goyim!

Do they, and the neocons here, have dreams of conquest because they have given up on freedom, egalitarianism, and peace? Or did they never believe in these ideals in the first place?

You said We cannot ascribe equal amounts of moral blame to all sides. Okay. But "we" here in America have only a right to control America. So it's not who's to blame that is the question. It's what's our responsibility?

Personally, I don't think there's much we can do in the current situation. The United States government has been taken away from the people, and given to the banking & finance industries, and the military/industrial complex. It was sold off ages ago. The Constitional Republic is dead, long gone.

But we can expect a collapse of the command and control structures of our society as the triple-whammy of peak oil, global warming, and the ongoing collapse of three-quarters of the world's ecological systems have an impact. Plenty of us will die, but the fever will eventually break, Western "civilization" will likely perish, and Earth will go on without all this insanity.

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The USA and Israel Have Let The Dogs Of War Out
Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Jul 19, 2006 10:00 AM   
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"You have to strike when the moment is right without thinking--" Pink Floyd- "Dogs"
Imagine two vicious pit bulls running free in your neighborhood attacking practically anything that gets in its path. Both have sunk their powerful jaws into innocents and no one can pry them loose from the unfortunate victims.
Any animal who has been kept inside a cage-house-shelter, whatever, wants to be free and roam, since dogs are hunters-canines-want to find food on their own.
In this case these two dangerous dogs aren't hearing the call to "heel."
And as the other dogs of the world are afraid that if they get too close to these out-of-control canines they'll get hurt and scamper back to their doghouses.
Who are responsible for letting these mutts out? The pit bulls are angry and they're about to rip their victims to shreds. Blood streams down their faces from their prey. The other dogs hear the screams but wonder what to do next.
The owners will offer an excuse-"well, they're good dogs" routine but that's no excuse. Once a pit bull sinks its teeth into something it wll not let go. Iraq and Lebanon are firmly in its grasp. The world winces but are afraid to step in.
Someone has to call these dogs off before things get worse.

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gramps
Posted by: gramps on Jul 19, 2006 10:27 AM   
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The United States of Israel
Israel is very concerned about Hezbollah getting rockets from Iran but nobody asks where a country the size of New Jersey gets their tanks, planes, artillery, and over 700 atomic bombs from. The answer is that they buy them from the United States with the billions of dollars they get from the United States. Like Haliburton who gets billion dollar no-bid contracts from the United States, they can afford to spend the money because it comes from the United States taxpayer anyway. The AARP or American Association of Retired People have a big lobby in Washington, but AIPAC, the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee lobby is bigger. Where does the money come from to spend buying Congressmen? The answer is that the congressmen have just passed an appropriation bill giving Israel 3 billion dollars. They have received 140 billion over the past fifty years.

Over 89% of American Jews vote Democratic. The vast majority of American Jews opposed the Iraq war, (more were against it than in the general population) and American Jews have been enormously important in securing civil liberties for all Americans. But the ruling party in Israel is the Likud and they use their positions to support Likud policies in the American government. All this can happen because there is a vacuum in U.S. political discourse., A handful of special interests in the United States virtually dictate congressional policy on some issues. With regard to the Arab Israeli conflict, The American Israel Public Affairs Committee and a few allies have succeeded in imposing complete censorship on both houses of Congress. No Senator or Representative dares make a speech on the floor of his or her institution critical of Israeli policy.”

The blanket of censorship covers the American media also. Even some of the most progressive Jews are afraid to speak their true thoughts on the Israeli expansionist policies in the Middle East. They are even afraid of their own friends and family as the Likud policies dominate every synagogue. After the total destruction of Iraq carried out by the neo-cons by lying to the American people about “weapons of mass destruction” They are now destroying Lebanon, and would have the United States make war with Iran.

Why? because Iran wants to build an atomic reactor. Who wouldn’t want an atom bomb when a sworn enemy has hundreds of them? Israel is a warlike nationalistic state run by Zionists. No other country has attacked the United States since Pearl Harbor except when Israel attacked the USS Liberty in international waters. No congressional investigation of this vicious assault has been held. It has been kept out of the press and the media but the veterans of the USS Liberty are on the web. Google over to their site and check it out.

The greatest and most powerful country in the world is hostage to the Zionists. The end of the Cold War left the arms industry hanging but Israel is giving them an excuse to keep making more nuclear submarines. Israel is providing them with their life’s blood . . . WAR.

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No communications
Posted by: rafey on Jul 19, 2006 10:53 AM   
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Cutting off all diplomatic channels with our so-called enemies is like discarding your telephone and then hoping the neighbors will call for help when trouble occurs. There must be some kind of Nobel Prize equivalent for such extraordinary stupidity !

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"Might is right...
Posted by: Ira on Jul 19, 2006 12:49 PM   
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There are many moral arguments on this site. Moral arguments may sooth the powerless, but they can be a distraction in identifying an effective solution. Moral arguments are largely ignored by the powerful that quickly spin their own counter argument. The powerful are prone to point out that God seems to favor the best equipped military force. The winner writes history.

Don’t beat on me for this, its rhetorical: But without “power” why would the Palestinians expect a different outcome than that which the American Indian Geronimo suffered—defeat, demoralization and consignment to a reservation where 40% of the population is allegedly alcoholic. The casinos did not come until later.

I’m trying to make a point about power. Charles Atlas didn’t stop getting sand kicked in his face, allegedly until he put on some muscle—a type of power dealing with his particular problem.

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Things will never be the same again
Posted by: shyguy709 on Jul 19, 2006 2:31 PM   
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please let us educate the children not to dwell in the mistakes of our fathers...
Now I can understand that indeed human beings live to die. The face of war is no more who is good as oppose to who is bad, but WHO WILL LIVE as oppose to WHO WILL DIE.
Children of today are no more hopes of tomorrow but the spoils of war and conflicts. What shall be engraved in their memories? Why should they be born, while mankind lives in Amnesia? what do they know and what will they know? I know...that the boy next door is your enemy, that he killed ur father and your family and destroyed ur country...yes that is what they shall live to know, and so the annihilation continues...

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The USS Liberty Conspiracy
Posted by: Vani on Jul 19, 2006 3:20 PM   
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A user named Artaraxi contested one of my comments in which I stated that the Israelis had attacked America in one of the worst loss of American life theretofore since World War II. The user claimed that I was making unfounded ""allegations". Well, we were referring to the USS Liberty Incident, which is nothing less than a conspiracy. Unfortunately, my claims were absolutely true. Israel did indeed intentionally attack an American ship and kill Americans. The basic facts are these : On June 8, 1967, Israel attacked the USS Liberty with aircraft and torpedo boats, killing 34 young men. It is no longer news that Israel intentionally attacked the USS Liberty back in 1967. There is much to support this. First and foremost, there is the fact that it was a lengthy coordinated operation involving multiple forces, including air, and sea, headquarter, etc. The Israelis circled the ship 13 times and had sufficient time and opportunity to identify it as American. Israel commited this act in order to cover up the fact that contrary to their public claim that they had been attacked first by Egypt, it was Israel which had initiated the aggression against Egypt with brutal preemptive strikes that caught the Egyptians asleep in bed. The clincher in this story is that America was flying a US Navy EC-121 intelligence aircraft just above that witnessed the incident and recorded the attack.

A Summary : http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0693/9306019.htm
An Israel officer's version: http://www.rense.com/general39/pilot.htm
More: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.html
The Conspiracy: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ussliberty.html

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CBS NIGHTLY NEWS AUGUST 7th, 2007
Posted by: xbj on Jul 19, 2006 6:00 PM   
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Good evening and thanks for tuning in tonight.

Well, it's all over. The final ceremony for the return of the land of Palestine to the Palestinians took place today amongst great celebration throughout the entire world. The White House and President Bush, who was expressly not invited, was noticeably silent, as occupied as they are with the current impeachment proceedings in Congress. More on that later in the broadcast.

It's been one year since August 7th, 2006, when Congress in a miraculous bipartisan decision overwhelmingly voted to cut off all aid to Israel, and overturned the President's veto. They also at that time, if you remember, diverted more than a trillion dollars from the Iraq war to buy back Israel's infrastructure and to undertake the most massive evacuation in world history, and the flood of Israelies from Palestine to the rest of the world began.

Then, a month after the decision, all hostilities had completely ceased in Iraq, the Iraqui government asked the US troops to leave, and as you know all troops there were redeployed to Israel to assist in the evacuation and the removal of Israel's nuclear and conventional arsenal. Iraq has been at complete peace since then.

Since that moment, since that decision, there has been absolutely no terrorist activity anywhere in the world. If anyone told any of us a year ago that the entire Arab and Islamic world would be celebrating in the streets and waving American flags, we would have all thought they were insane.

But look at this footage that looks for all the world, like New Years' Eve, from Iran...

From Iraq...

From Saudi Arabia...

From Egypt...

From Turkey...

From Syria...

From Lebanon...

And from the new nation of Palestine itself...

And in all of this, it is the Congress of the United States that deserves all the credit; if they had not stood up to the President and overrode his veto, the Mideast war between Israel and Lebanon and Syria and Iran would still be raging today, and no one could say where it could have led.

Now, a report on how wonderfully the new American Jewish immigrants are doing from coast to coast...

AuctionForPeace.org

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Don't waste your time......
Posted by: trolltracker on Jul 19, 2006 7:43 PM   
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To: russianblue1, leondion, etc.
Interacting with fauxporteño is a monumental waste of time. In past AlterNet articles he has tried to hold court on various topics. When posters don't absolutely agree with his opinion he resorts to expletives.
His claim to fame is a degree in history from some college in Fort Collins, Colorado.
He changes his username, but his style remains the same.

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It's a Balance of Power Problem Now
Posted by: sofla100 on Jul 19, 2006 8:06 PM   
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One of the biggest reasons Israel is such a problem in the Mideast is because it can be. In a way, it's the same as the USA, a gigantic military appartus with an appetite for war. As President Eisenhower warned us, the "military-industrial" complex long ago has sucked up this country and it has also sucked up Israel. If Iran gets nukes, as bad as this sounds, it may actually be a deterrent to Israel aggressiveness, which is why Israel really fears this. They want the right to will-nilly engage in wars, grab property and rights out from people (such as the Palestinians). There is no "balance of terror" in the Mideast now, there is just terror, and it is Israel.

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Da? Bush declared war on the world.
Posted by: mom'z the word on Jul 20, 2006 12:36 AM   
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Who in their right mind would believe war makes the world a better, safer place? What kind of fanatic believes that the way you change a persons mind is by blowing their heads off? If fanatics had half a brain they would have half a brain. Bush is the 43rd president of the United States.

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Stop the terrorism!
Posted by: kgs1947 on Jul 22, 2006 3:28 AM   
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Bush and Israel need to be stopped! They are part of the problem, not the solution. Power-mongers who have gone out of control!

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john mccarthy
Posted by: johnmccarthy on Jul 22, 2006 5:06 AM   
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Collective Necrophilia?

What about DU contamination having sex with all those dead bodies? EEEEEEEEWWWWWWWW!

Makes about as much sense as "lebans raum".

Did the Israeli's learn this tactic from the Nazi's?

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gramps
Posted by: gramps on Jul 22, 2006 7:06 AM   
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The United States of Israel

Israel is very concerned about Hezbollah getting rockets from Iran but nobody asks where a country the size of New Jersey gets their tanks, planes, artillery, and over 700 atomic bombs from. The answer is that they buy them from the United States with the billions of dollars they get from the United States. Like Haliburton who gets billion dollar no-bid contracts from the United States, they can afford to spend the money because it comes from the United States taxpayer anyway. The AARP or American Association of Retired People have a big lobby in Washington, but AIPAC, the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee lobby is bigger. Where does the money come from to spend buying Congressmen? The answer is that the congressmen have just passed an appropriation bill giving Israel 3 billion dollars. They have received 140 billion over the past fifty years.

Over 89% of American Jews vote Democratic. The vast majority of American Jews opposed the Iraq war, (more were against it than in the general population) and American Jews have been enormously important in securing civil liberties for all Americans. But the ruling party in Israel is the Likud and they use their positions to support Likud policies in the American government. All this can happen because there is a vacuum in U.S. political discourse., A handful of special interests in the United States virtually dictate congressional policy on some issues. With regard to the Arab Israeli conflict, The American Israel Public Affairs Committee and a few allies have succeeded in imposing complete censorship on both houses of Congress. No Senator or Representative dares make a speech on the floor of his or her institution critical of Israeli policy.”

The blanket of censorship covers the American media also. Even some of the most progressive Jews are afraid to speak their true thoughts on the Israeli expansionist policies in the Middle East. They are even afraid of their own friends and family as the Likud policies dominate every synagogue. After the total destruction of Iraq carried out by the neo-cons by lying to the American people about “weapons of mass destruction” They are now destroying Lebanon, and would have the United States make war with Iran.

Why? because Iran wants to build an atomic reactor. Who wouldn’t want an atom bomb when a sworn enemy has hundreds of them? Israel is a warlike nationalistic state run by Zionists. No other country has attacked the United States since Pearl Harbor except when Israel attacked the USS Liberty in international waters. No congressional investigation of this vicious assault has been held. It has been kept out of the press and the media but the veterans of the USS Liberty are on the web. Google over to their site and check it out.

The greatest and most powerful country in the world is hostage to the Zionists. The end of the Cold War left the arms industry hanging but Israel is giving them an excuse to keep making more nuclear submarines. Israel is providing them with their life’s blood . . . WAR.

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The New World Order
Posted by: saywhat on Jul 22, 2006 11:19 AM   
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“Why is my country (the USA) supporting Israel? Because the neocons support Israel for there intended take over of the Middle East and ‘then the world” agenda.
And what powerful organization is supporting the neocons? Wake up. We’re dealing with powerful players. Take no prisoners. Take and rule the world. The Illuminati. “The New World Order”.

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Twisted Logic Prevails on this website
Posted by: thinkprogress on Jul 23, 2006 12:06 PM   
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Hezbollah wants to destroy Israel - on the opposite Israel recognizes it’s neighbors right to exist.
Hezbollah started the current crisis.
Hezbollah can stop this crisis by handing over two kidnapped soldiers... but they won’t.
Hezbollah has fired more rockets against Israel than Israel has launched air raids against Lebanon.
Hezbollah’s rockets only target civilians.
Israeli air raids target military and suspected military targets (you know it’s ok to use mosques as rocket-storage centers - but it’s a war crime to destroy them!)

No wonder Israeli is considered the bad guy :O)

This is an opportune time to educate the international community about the nature of the conflict, and the dangers posed to civilized society. The rejectionist Arab countries, who cannot defeat Israel on the battlefield, created terrorist armies whose primary purpose is to attack Israeli civilians. They disclaim any responsibility for the acts they incite, while demanding that the international community restrain Israel. Israel is expected to adhere to rules while its attackers are not accountable and follow no rules. Terrorists backed by Iran and Syria have the ability to make Israel bleed whenever it suits their purposes, but Israel is prohibited from eliminating the aggressors. It is time for the civilized world to recognize that while Israel is currently the primary target of this aggression, the same tactics are spreading around the world like a cancer. In the name of limiting civilian casualties, the international community is nurturing the seeds of its own destruction.

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Wrong Spelling Mr Hodges!
Posted by: PGC on Jul 23, 2006 3:00 PM   
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It is not M.A.D. Mr Hodges but M. A. I. D. The "I" is for Inevitable, if those folks in the Middle East keep-up what they are doing!

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Release of an Interview Series Offering Hope Despite Destruction in Iraq
Posted by: EPIC on Jul 25, 2006 12:49 PM   
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The Education for Peace in Iraq Center (EPIC) introduces The Ground Truth, a unique and timely interview series that captures and amplifies the on-the-ground perspectives of Iraqis, aid workers, military personnel and others who have lived or served in Iraq. By offering a range of perspectives that represent diverse concerns, EPIC hopes these interviews will inspire meaningful policy change and citizen action in support of a better future for all Iraqis.

The first interview, to be released today, July 25, features Dr. Nadje Al-Ali, an acclaimed expert and author on women and gender issues in Iraq, and a Senior Lecturer at University of Exeter (UK). A German-born Iraqi who has visited Iraq throughout her life, Ali offers important insight into the greatest issues facing Iraqi women today. She notes the historical framework surrounding the debate over women in Iraqi civil society, Western perceptions of Iraqi women, and the work of women in the Iraqi Diaspora. But at the heart of her interview is a genuine concern for current and future prospects for Iraqi women.

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bil
Posted by: Bil on Jan 3, 2007 8:42 AM   
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