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Ohio's Coming Electoral Meltdown
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The Republican candidate this November is none other than Kenneth Blackwell, Ohio's Secretary of State, a man vilified by voting rights activists for a string of baffling and, to all appearances, nakedly partisan rulings in the 2004 presidential race, when he also doubled as co-chair of George Bush's state re-election campaign. Now he's at it again -- issuing draconian guidelines on voter registration that carry the threat of felony prosecutions against grassroots get-out-the-vote groups, especially in Democratic-leaning urban areas, for even the slightest procedural irregularity.
Despite denials from Blackwell's office of any malicious political intent, the guidelines have had an immediate chilling effect on groups like the activist community organization ACORN, which has suspended registration efforts pending urgent consultations with its lawyers. Several leading Democrats have urged Blackwell to step aside from all election-supervising responsibilities, a proposal his staff has greeted with near-derision.
It would be bad enough if Blackwell were acting merely to benefit his party, as he did in 2004. But in this case he's taking advantage of his office to act on behalf of his own ambitions. Unless something changes between now and November, he will remain in charge of counting the votes -- his own and everyone else's. In a pivotal election in a pivotal state, this is far from reassuring. As Peg Rosenfield, an elections specialist with the League of Women Voters of Ohio who spent twelve years working in the secretary of state's office in the pre-Blackwell era, put it, "If you think '04 was a mess, just wait. I anticipate a debacle."
Blackwell and his Democratic challenger, Ted Strickland, are locked in a tough fight over the succession to Bob Taft, the scandal-tainted, widely reviled incumbent governor, whose approval ratings are lower even than Dick Cheney's. Early polls have put Strickland modestly ahead, but Blackwell has several built-in advantages, particularly his ability to lean on an entrenched Republican establishment and tap into its broad fundraising powers. Blackwell has largely escaped the stench of corruption dragging down the rest of the state party, thanks to his reputation as a maverick and a lone operator.
As a social conservative, he appeals to much the same exurban demographic that turned out for George W. Bush to express their disapproval of abortion rights and gay marriage. And, as an African-American, he is bound to peel away at least a percentage of the urban black vote that Strickland might otherwise regard as his for the taking. So it's not inconceivable, as the nation awakes on November 8, that the Ohio governor's race will be too close to call. And if that happens, all hell will break loose.
"If we have a recount, I see no way anyone is going to have any faith in it. It's a poisonous atmosphere," Rosenfield said. Never, she added, has she seen the elections process subject to as much politicization as now. Previous secretaries of state, conscious of their status as partisan elected officials, would have gone out of their way to keep their names off election-related directives that risked being interpreted as attempts to help one party over the other. Blackwell, by contrast, has if anything gone out of his way to be identified with his office's most controversial rules. (In 2004 he happily put his name on a now-notorious directive that late voter-registration applications -- the kind encouraged by Democratic grassroots groups -- be submitted on specially weighted, unwaxed paper, which disqualified applications printed in Ohio newspapers. He also made it unusually hard for voters casting provisional ballots -- again, more likely to be Democrats -- to have their votes accepted and counted.)
On top of that, Rosenfield added, Blackwell's office has shown a wanton disregard for the needs of Ohio's eighty-eight counties as they make the Congressionally mandated transition from punch-card and lever machines to new-generation electronic voting systems. Rather than answer technical questions posed by the counties -- which is how Rosenfield spent much of her time when she worked for the secretary of state's office in the 1980s -- Blackwell's staff has a habit of referring county boards of elections to other local officials not remotely qualified to help.
The technicalities of the voting process were already a huge problem in 2004, when everything from the updating of voter registration lists to the number of voting machines made available in each precinct to the opening hours of polling stations was subject to undue political influence and rank bureaucratic incompetence, prompting an avalanche of complaints. (Blackwell's office rejected every last one of them.) That election, though, was held predominantly with the old machinery, which may have lost an unacceptable number of honestly cast votes but at least had the virtue of familiarity. Now the advent of e-voting has opened up a whole new world of pain for election officials and their woefully undertrained precinct volunteers. The first big test of the new machines, in the May primary election, resulted in a multiplicity of problems, especially in Cuyahoga County in and around Cleveland, where poll workers lost seventy memory cards recording the votes from electronic touch-screen terminals (the votes had to be retrieved through back-up data systems inside the terminals) and more than 15,000 paper absentee ballots had to be counted by hand, delaying the results by six days, because of a system failure in the automated tabulation system. And that was on a turnout rate of only 23 percent.
"Our turnout in the fall is bound to be over 50 percent," Rosenfield said. "That'll include a lot of less sophisticated voters struggling with new machines and new rules. The poll workers still won't be trained well enough. The boards won't know how to get the equipment ready.... The secretary of state's office isn't providing resources to the counties -- no money to attend training sessions, no expertise to answer questions or provide technical support. ... We've made this so complex, I'm not sure we're capable of administering it."
The story of Ohio's adoption of new voting technology and the mess it is creating is in many ways typical of the overhasty and shockingly underregulated rush across the country to comply with the 2002 Help America Vote Act (HAVA). But Ohio has also followed its own peculiar trajectory, teaching us above all how difficult it is to prevent the elemental viciousness of two-party politics from compromising the integrity and safety of our voting systems.
Back in 2003 Ohio was admirably skeptical about the lure of computer voting -- even though the parent company of Diebold Election Systems was based in Ohio and its chief executive, Wally O'Dell, was a prominent campaign contributor to the state and national Republican Party. O'Dell notoriously wrote a fundraising letter in August 2003 declaring himself "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year." If this was some dark hint that Diebold intended to collude with the Republicans in stealing the 2004 election -- something that, in retrospect, seems a lot more doubtful than many voting rights activists feared at the time -- Ohio's Republican establishment was not especially inclined to play ball. The source code for Diebold's AccuVote-TS touch-screen system had been left lying around on an open Internet site and was scrutinized by a team of top-flight computer scientists from Rice and Johns Hopkins universities, who found it to be riddled with security flaws and basic programming errors. Ken Blackwell decided to order a comprehensive technical review of all touch-screen voting systems and subsequently decided to postpone a major statewide buy of electronic machines until after the 2004 election. The Republican-dominated state legislature, meanwhile, proved remarkably receptive to arguments in favor of fitting the touch screens with a voter-verified paper audit trail so their results could be independently verified in a close or contested election. A state law mandating a paper trail was passed in early 2004.
That cautious, consensus-oriented approach evaporated, however, in the heat of the 2004 campaign season. A state planning committee on HAVA implementation that had met several times was never invited to convene again, despite a barrage of new questions raised across the country about the integrity of electronic touch-screen and tabulation systems being sold by Diebold and its principal rivals, Election Systems and Software (ES&S) and Sequoia. Right after the 2004 election, Governor Taft signed a law increasing the limit on campaign contributions by individuals or political action committees from $2,500 to $10,000 -- a move widely seen as benefiting Republicans more than Democrats. Around the same time, Blackwell compounded the conflict-of-interest issue by buying himself just under $10,000 of Diebold stock. (He later sold, at a loss, after his shareholding became public.) For several months last year and stretching into this, the Republican state legislature expended its energies on mandating an ID requirement at polling stations. At best this was an unnecessary solution to a nonexistent problem, since there was no evidence of significant ballot fraud at the individual voter level; at worst it was another baldly partisan maneuver, because the 12 percent of the adult population without driver's licenses, the most readily available form of government ID, tend to be poor, elderly or both, and thus likely to lean Democrat.
The law that finally enshrined the voter-ID requirement, House Bill 3, contained another couple of nasty surprises: a big jump in the cost of petitioning for a manual recount, from $100 per precinct to $500 per precinct, and the lifting of a previous requirement that counties use the independent paper trail to conduct random audits of their touch-screen machinery after every election. In other words, Ohio -- like many other states -- has now become a recount-hostile environment with greatly diminished accountability all around. Since paperless electronic system votes are almost impossible to verify without recourse to the paper trail, this is a truly chilling development.
What the Republicans have created is, in effect, a system where they have multiple tools to deter their opponents from casting ballots in the first place -- through the voter-ID requirement, the strict rules on provisional balloting and so on -- and then making the vote count itself so opaque as to be beyond redress. The lack of transparency is a matter of bureaucratic convenience as well as political conniving: County boards of elections are generally delighted to be able to spend state and federal dollars on shiny new computer systems that do all the tricky work of vote tabulation by themselves, that don't entail large paper orders or long-term ballot storage requirements and that obviate the pain, inconvenience and extra cost of conducting recounts. Under the HAVA rules counties have the option of purchasing much cheaper, manually recountable paper-based systems, tabulated by optical scanners. Many Ohio counties have shied away from this alternative, however, because they think it is trickier to operate and requires more intensive poll-worker training. HAVA also requires at least one terminal per precinct for the use of disabled voters, which basically means a touch-screen machine. Rather than buy two separate systems, many counties prefer to go with just one.
If counties think that touch screens are somehow the easier option, though, they're kidding themselves. Poll workers may find it easy to show voters how to use the machines when they're working, but if anything goes wrong workers are likely to be several orders of magnitude more clueless about fixing the problem. Computerized systems also entail huge hidden costs, from maintenance to security (even when the terminals are in storage) to software upgrades. Several Ohio counties have been appalled at the budget overruns they are already facing, and there is a naïveté all around, from Congress on down, about the kind of commitment these machines entail. "If the federal government thinks it can give onetime-only grants, it is wrong," said Dan Tokaji, an election law specialist at Ohio State University's Moritz Law School, who is a cautious supporter of electronic systems, at least in principle. "There needs to be ongoing federal attention." Based on the government's behavior so far -- its failure to fund HAVA fully or to meet its own deadline, its failure to establish a federal regulatory body with any teeth, its failure to streamline rules on any aspect of conducting elections, leaving everything up to states and counties -- nobody should hold their breath.
Another reason to regard Ohio as a bellwether of the nation's electoral health is the fact that its political complexion is changing fast -- perhaps faster than any other state's. For twelve years the Republicans have had the run of the place, a length of tenure more or less guaranteed to spawn corruption, regardless of the party in power. The ethical violations, insalubrious associations and compromised integrity of Governor Taft, Representative Bob Ney and others have received widespread attention in the national press. Perhaps less well understood is that, historically speaking, there is no climate more susceptible to electoral malfeasance than one where a single party is in power and in a position to manipulate the rules to its advantage. If a race is also close and the stakes are high, as they were in 2004, then dirty electioneering is more or less a given.
Granted, there are those who have insisted since election day that John Kerry was robbed of Ohio's twenty Electoral College votes, and with them the presidency. That argument, though, is almost certainly a stretch, since Bush's official margin of victory of 120,000-odd votes is just too big to be explained away with any confidence. Certainly, most seasoned election observers in Ohio, as well as veterans of the earnest but disorganized Kerry field campaign, tend to dismiss it. (A 30,000 vote margin, given the multiplicity of the reported problems, might have been a very different story.) The problem, in the end, with many of the stolen-election theories is not that they are wrong to assume that Ohio is corrupt; it is that they have misunderstood the nature of that corruption. Many -- including Robert Kennedy Jr. writing in the June 1 Rolling Stone -- imagine Ken Blackwell as the mastermind of some coordinated Republican Party conspiracy to re-elect Bush, in which the counties fell magically in line with his or the party's directives.
The reality, though, is that Blackwell's influence only went so far, and the counties -- partly because of the lack of support from the secretary of state's office -- acted largely on their own. The county boards of elections were, in turn, stuffed with political appointees from both parties who engaged in struggles of varying degrees of intensity. (The stereotypical image of boards of elections, which may not be that far from the truth, is one where the Democrats are sweet, well-meaning old ladies, and the Republicans are razor-sharp lawyers.) The autonomy and complexity of the counties cannot be overstressed. As Catherine Turcer, legislative director of the anticorruption group Ohio Citizen Action, put it sardonically: "Every county has its own party structure, so you can launder money eighty-eight ways."
In Cuyahoga County -- which has been an election management nightmare for decades -- one of the two Republican members of the board of elections is Bob Bennett, who also happens to be the state party chair. In Lucas County, in and around Toledo, the chair of the board of elections until early 2005 was Bernadette Noe, the head of the county Republican Party and the wife of Tom Noe, the man who invested $50 million of the state workers' comp fund in a rare coin fund with which he was affiliated, and lost $13 million of it. Noe has also pleaded guilty to laundering $45,000 in Bush re-election funds. Bernadette Noe, meanwhile, behaved so egregiously in the November 2004 election that Blackwell's office launched a rare investigation. It charged her with a panoply of offenses involving Republican Party volunteers under her direction who, before the election, were caught tampering with voter confirmation postcards and, on election night itself, tried to barge into the vote-counting area without authorization. Bernadette Noe was forced to resign shortly afterward, one more in a succession of prominent Ohio Republicans to be disgraced, indicted or hounded from office.
The echo of so many recent scandals makes this a fascinating, pivotal moment in Ohio politics. The Republicans risk losing just about every statewide office this November, from the governorship to Mike DeWine's Senate seat. Some reform-minded members of both parties have seen this moment of transition as a unique opportunity to try to talk their colleagues into thinking beyond short-term party interest and considering some key voting rights issues from a more broadly public point of view. The biggest push has been toward redistricting reform: taking the process of drawing legislative and Congressional boundaries out of the hands of the politicians and handing it to a more independent, or at least bipartisan, panel so elections can become more competitive and more reflective of public opinion. Sadly, the vicious logic of the two-party system has made the prospects for such reform well-nigh impossible.
A year ago it was the Democrats, on the thin end of a 60-to-39 party balance in the Ohio house, who were pushing for a fairer way of carving up districts. Then it was the turn of a citizens' group called Reform Ohio Now, which made the redistricting question the centerpiece of a quartet of campaign-related initiatives it sponsored on last November's ballot. Those initiatives went down in flames, largely because of a concerted effort by Republicans to depict them as partisan Democratic maneuvers in disguise. Most recently it has been a handful of Republicans, notably House Speaker Jon Husted and State Representative Kevin DeWine (Mike's second cousin), who have been pushing their own version of redistricting reform. They argue that they are acting from only the noblest motives. (As DeWine told me, "If you're going to make changes, you do it when you don't know who the players might be.")
The Democrats, however, smell a rat. They reckon they will be able to win a majority of the seats on the state apportionment board -- which includes the governor, the secretary of state and the state auditor -- ahead of the next round of redistricting, in 2011, and suspect the initiative to be a Republican attempt to salvage something before the tables are turned against them. The Republican proposal was voted down at the end of May, and now appears to be dead. In the end, partisan rancor is prevailing over any kind of rationality. Ed Jerse, campaign manager of the Reform Ohio Now initiatives and a former Democratic state legislator, summarized the prevailing mood among Ohio Democrats this way: "You stuck it to us for twelve years and now that you are about to lose, you invite us into the room and want to be buddy-buddy? Screw that."
The losers in this whole process are, of course, the voters. Where they don't have reason to fear out-and-out political interference in the electoral vote, they can expect incompetence and chaos. Toledo, for example, may have rid itself of Bernadette Noe, but it still had a major meltdown in last November's off-season elections, which it subsequently blamed on the incompetence, lousy software and missed deadlines of its vendor, Diebold. Across the country, alarm bells have been sounded about major security flaws in electronic voting software -- one such, in Diebold's TSX system, was described by Pennsylvania's leading voting-machine inspector as "the most severe security flaw ever discovered" -- but Ohio appears blissfully unaware of them because of the inattention, bordering on negligence, of its secretary of state's office. Peg Rosenfield, for one, sees things as worse now than at any time in her memory. "It's not that anyone will be out to steal the election necessarily," she remarked. "They don't need to -- we can screw it up all by ourselves."
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real democracy can be achieved by honest endeavour by all who
now really appreciate that they were misled by lies in the last elections.
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Posted by: xbj on Jul 21, 2006 5:54 AM
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And they are made ILLEGAL. FOREVER.
Who the hell is pushing for these damn pieces of junk anyway? I thought the polls were manned by volunteers.
Volunteers shouldn't have any say in how things are run. If you're too lazy to count votes by hand, DON'T VOLUNTEER.
GO BACK TO SIMPLE PAPER BALLOTS. IF IT'S GOOD FOR BINGO, IT'S GOOD FOR VOTING.
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Posted by: xbj on Jul 21, 2006 6:02 AM
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If they do not comply, THEIR VOTES ARE NOT COUNTED, PERIOD, AND THEY DON'T VOTE IN THE NEXT ELECTION, EITHER.
The election after that, they are given a chance. And if they blow it yet again, BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
How's that for tough love? NO FAKE VOTE LEFT BEHIND.
That just doesn't get the Goddamned voting machines out of the picture, it also gets the corrupt GOP governors and lieutenant governors and attorney generals out of the way as well.
America is worse off than Russia without making sure the vote is secure and accurate.
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Posted by: SJR505 on Jul 21, 2006 8:52 AM
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IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT, ASK ANY " CHICANO" ATTEMPTING TO VOTE IN TEXAS IN THE 30S,40S, AND 50'S WITH IT POLL TAXES, REDNECK/RACIST POLLING JUDGES, ETC...AND, THE VOTING PROCESS WITH ITS STRICT ENFORCEMENT STILL APPLICABLE TO SO-CALLED HISPANICS, A MISNOMER,...FACT, ALL LATINOS IN TEXAS ARE ACTUALLY DECLARED/CLASSIFIED AS "WHITE" SINCE THE SUPREME COURT RULING IN THE APPEALS CASE OF "HERNANDEZ VS STATE OF TEXAS IN THE 1950'S..." HOW ABOUT THEM MANSANAS...???MOREOVER, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE SCREWUPS IN FLORIDA WITH BUSH "SILVERFOOT" 43'S BROTHER AND THE FRAUD, CORRUPTION , AND COLLUSION IN THE 2004 ELECTION DUE TO THE ADAGE : "BLOOD IS THICKER THAN WATER..." BUT OHIO...??? MY BELIEF IS THAT MASTER BLACKWELL, IS EMULATING HIS PARTY'S ARROGANCE OF "FULL SPEED AHEAD..." OR BY THE TIME THE "COWARD-CRATS" OR THE CONGRESS THINK ABOUT DOING SOMETHING TO THWART ME, I WILL HAVE ALREADY ASSURED OUR PARTY TO CONTINUE TO RULE...GENTLEMEN, IT IS ABOUT POWER, POWER, AND MORE POWER, ETC...A PURE MACHIAVELLIAN EFFORT BY SENOR BLACKWELL...THOUGHTS AND REFLECTIONS ABOUT THESE LESS THAN POSITIVE ACTIONS: "...LAWS ARE NO MORE TRUSTWORTHY THAN THE MEN WHO CREATE THEM, AND THE STABILITY CAN NEVER 'REST ' ON THE HUMAN CAPRICE...". THIS POWER MOGUL CAN BE BEST DESCRIBED VIA A SEX METAPHOR: " ...IN THE WORLD OF SEX, USING A FEATHER IS EROTIC....BUT USING THE WHOLE TURKEY, THAT'S KINKY..."
BLACKWELL IS USING THE WHOLE TURKEY APPROACH..."ONLY IN AMERICA, CAN ONE PURCHASE "FREEDOM' OFF THE SHELF..."
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Posted by: fool-on-the-hill on Jul 21, 2006 8:59 AM
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I drove OUT of Ohio in 2004, listening to GWB make a simpering acceptance speech for his reelection (I didn't hear too much of it, since I was screaming obscenities at the radio).
Well, Ohio, it is up to YOU, now. There ain't nuthin' the rest of US can do to help you!
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» Yep, my vote was counted. (sigh) But...
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Posted by: unperson on Jul 21, 2006 9:20 AM
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The Dems and GOP are so similar in economic matters that the only ones who might get any gains if the Dems wins is gay people who want to marry, and that is a truly minute fraction of Americans.
Just look at the type of articles that are the subject of democratic and GOP blogs and forums and news sites. They do not talk about raising taxes on the rich, or providing nationalized healthcare or stopping immigration to raise wages. All they talk about is gays, abortion, the enviroment, global warming, foreign policy, partisan politics gossip, and other things that do not affect the daily lives of most Americans.
I agree with the 50% who do not vote. I do not intend to vote either.
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» Yes, it DOES matter who wins elections!
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» Huh? Has your mind/heart been totally co-opted by those you despise?!
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Posted by: RepBast1984 on Jul 21, 2006 11:10 AM
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The party that is least likely to commit mass murder? I'm no fan of the Republican Party in its current incarnation but it was the Democrats who let a million Rwandans die in 1993 and the Clinton/Albright regime that imposed sanctions on Iraq, effectively killing half a million Iraqis. http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084. Kosovo killed many thousand civilians and soldiers than the original ethnic cleansing (~2000). Many Republicans were anti-war in Kosovo. What this really notes is that Democrats oppose "Republican" Wars and Republicans oppose "Democrat" Wars. Where are the real anti-war activists?
It's likely that the Republicans commit voter fraud and it's likely that the Democrats commit voter fraud. i know from friends of Democrats committing voter fraud at the polls, and tehre are accounts of Republicans doing the same. What's sad is how the Democrats lost to a President with a 49% approval rating before the election and an atmosphere where more than half of the country was questioning the Iraq War's effectiveness. Every time I hear a Democrat call Bush a moron, I wonder what kind of intellect does it take to lose to a moron?
I'm a solidly conservative acivist. It's time that we care about Americans first, over the expensive and deadly inetrests overseas. We need a leader who will upport America, protect American culture, won't get entangled in affiars overseas (that we almost always mess up), stop illegal immigration, respect a state's laws over the federal government's tyranny, balance the naton's checkbook and protect basic individual freedoms like Freedom of Speech and the Right to Bear Arms. So far, we have no leader who is fit for this job. Protect the Borders, Support the troops, Bring the troops home.
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Posted by: KevinSchmidtSterlingVA on Jul 21, 2006 1:25 PM
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Lawsuits must be filed TODAY!!! Not after November's elections. No stolen elections were reversed in 2004. Why should 2006 be any different?
If lawsuits aren't filed before November, we are all just bitching and moaning around the water cooler. Nothing effective is being done, again.
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Posted by: bettyn on Jul 21, 2006 3:19 PM
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At least THAT would be ONE WAY to get your otherwise "SPOILED" ballot counted! The CROOKS will think you are a "fellow traveler" and thus count your vote! Result? We make up the million votes we are already "in the hole" for before the election even starts!
THINK OF THIS STRATEGY!!!! You could even f**k up the primaries by doing this! It would be an effective strategy especially in Ohio, New Mexico, and, of course, FLORIDA! (These are the three states where the Bushbabies do most of their dirty work.)
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Posted by: RepBast1984 on Jul 21, 2006 6:02 PM
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Democrats let the DLC take charge, and now there are no real leaders in the Demcoratic party left. So either the Dems can sit here and whine for all eternity, regardless of whether or not there was voter fraud, or they can party build, get volunteers ready and take on the Republicans like warriors. No one likes a sore loser, even if they're in the right.
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Posted by: Gazza126 on Jul 21, 2006 9:03 PM
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A story elesewhere on Alernet showed how Democrat voters in Ohio were disadvantaged and disenfranchised by a biased Republican state attorney-general. The same happened in Florida in 2000 and 2004.
The reaction of most Americans - silece. Yet it is a fair bet that if Mr Milosvitch had done in Yugoslavia what the Ohio Attorney-General did in the last election, the American government would have been screaming blue murder. And calling the election result a fraud.
The same can be said of Tom DeLay's gerrymandering of the Texas electorate.
The answer: federal legislation creating an independant - and permanent - electoral comission under the leadership of a retired senior judge.
This commission would be responsible for organising, conducting and counting election results, and be charged with setting electoral boundaries.
This is the system now in place in Australia and while Australians still find instances of dead people somehow arising from their graves to cast just one more vote before permanently retiring from the scene, the country has never considered its election results to be truly suspect. And despite winning four elections in a row, no one believes John Howard won office by fraudulent means.
America's big problem will be getting those same elected officials (Republican and Democrat) to change the rules that benefit them when they are in office.
The problem is yours, and only you can fix it. Good luck America, and all who sail with her.
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Posted by: Abushite on Jul 21, 2006 3:33 AM
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real democracy can be achieved by honest endeavour by all who
now really appreciate that they were misled by lies in the last elections.
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» RE: crooks sickofsleaze
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Posted by: Urstrly on Jul 21, 2006 4:28 AM
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Posted by: xbj on Jul 21, 2006 5:54 AM
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And they are made ILLEGAL. FOREVER.
Who the hell is pushing for these damn pieces of junk anyway? I thought the polls were manned by volunteers.
Volunteers shouldn't have any say in how things are run. If you're too lazy to count votes by hand, DON'T VOLUNTEER.
GO BACK TO SIMPLE PAPER BALLOTS. IF IT'S GOOD FOR BINGO, IT'S GOOD FOR VOTING.
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» RE: AMERIKA WILL NEVER HAVE ANOTHER VALID ELECTION sickofsleaze
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Posted by: SekhmetsatRa on Jul 21, 2006 5:58 AM
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» RE: corruption and christians go hand in hand sickofsleaze
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» RE: corruption and christians go hand in hand sickofsleaze
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» RE: corruption and christians go hand in hand sickofsleaze
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Posted by: xbj on Jul 21, 2006 6:02 AM
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If they do not comply, THEIR VOTES ARE NOT COUNTED, PERIOD, AND THEY DON'T VOTE IN THE NEXT ELECTION, EITHER.
The election after that, they are given a chance. And if they blow it yet again, BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD.
How's that for tough love? NO FAKE VOTE LEFT BEHIND.
That just doesn't get the Goddamned voting machines out of the picture, it also gets the corrupt GOP governors and lieutenant governors and attorney generals out of the way as well.
America is worse off than Russia without making sure the vote is secure and accurate.
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Posted by: smallrevolutions on Jul 21, 2006 7:52 AM
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Music for a Crumbling Empire (FREE MP3 downloads)
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Posted by: SJR505 on Jul 21, 2006 8:52 AM
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IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IT, ASK ANY " CHICANO" ATTEMPTING TO VOTE IN TEXAS IN THE 30S,40S, AND 50'S WITH IT POLL TAXES, REDNECK/RACIST POLLING JUDGES, ETC...AND, THE VOTING PROCESS WITH ITS STRICT ENFORCEMENT STILL APPLICABLE TO SO-CALLED HISPANICS, A MISNOMER,...FACT, ALL LATINOS IN TEXAS ARE ACTUALLY DECLARED/CLASSIFIED AS "WHITE" SINCE THE SUPREME COURT RULING IN THE APPEALS CASE OF "HERNANDEZ VS STATE OF TEXAS IN THE 1950'S..." HOW ABOUT THEM MANSANAS...???MOREOVER, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE SCREWUPS IN FLORIDA WITH BUSH "SILVERFOOT" 43'S BROTHER AND THE FRAUD, CORRUPTION , AND COLLUSION IN THE 2004 ELECTION DUE TO THE ADAGE : "BLOOD IS THICKER THAN WATER..." BUT OHIO...??? MY BELIEF IS THAT MASTER BLACKWELL, IS EMULATING HIS PARTY'S ARROGANCE OF "FULL SPEED AHEAD..." OR BY THE TIME THE "COWARD-CRATS" OR THE CONGRESS THINK ABOUT DOING SOMETHING TO THWART ME, I WILL HAVE ALREADY ASSURED OUR PARTY TO CONTINUE TO RULE...GENTLEMEN, IT IS ABOUT POWER, POWER, AND MORE POWER, ETC...A PURE MACHIAVELLIAN EFFORT BY SENOR BLACKWELL...THOUGHTS AND REFLECTIONS ABOUT THESE LESS THAN POSITIVE ACTIONS: "...LAWS ARE NO MORE TRUSTWORTHY THAN THE MEN WHO CREATE THEM, AND THE STABILITY CAN NEVER 'REST ' ON THE HUMAN CAPRICE...". THIS POWER MOGUL CAN BE BEST DESCRIBED VIA A SEX METAPHOR: " ...IN THE WORLD OF SEX, USING A FEATHER IS EROTIC....BUT USING THE WHOLE TURKEY, THAT'S KINKY..."
BLACKWELL IS USING THE WHOLE TURKEY APPROACH..."ONLY IN AMERICA, CAN ONE PURCHASE "FREEDOM' OFF THE SHELF..."
S+JIM=RODRIGUEZ+++ECLECTICIST SEEKER+++
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Posted by: fool-on-the-hill on Jul 21, 2006 8:59 AM
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I drove OUT of Ohio in 2004, listening to GWB make a simpering acceptance speech for his reelection (I didn't hear too much of it, since I was screaming obscenities at the radio).
Well, Ohio, it is up to YOU, now. There ain't nuthin' the rest of US can do to help you!
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» Yep, my vote was counted. (sigh) But...
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Posted by: unperson on Jul 21, 2006 9:20 AM
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The Dems and GOP are so similar in economic matters that the only ones who might get any gains if the Dems wins is gay people who want to marry, and that is a truly minute fraction of Americans.
Just look at the type of articles that are the subject of democratic and GOP blogs and forums and news sites. They do not talk about raising taxes on the rich, or providing nationalized healthcare or stopping immigration to raise wages. All they talk about is gays, abortion, the enviroment, global warming, foreign policy, partisan politics gossip, and other things that do not affect the daily lives of most Americans.
I agree with the 50% who do not vote. I do not intend to vote either.
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» RE: Does it even matter who wins elections?
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» RE: Does it even matter who wins elections? sickofsleaze
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» RE: Does it even matter who wins elections? sickofsleaze
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» Yes, it DOES matter who wins elections!
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» time better spent making money to survive
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» Huh? Has your mind/heart been totally co-opted by those you despise?!
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Posted by: RepBast1984 on Jul 21, 2006 11:10 AM
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The party that is least likely to commit mass murder? I'm no fan of the Republican Party in its current incarnation but it was the Democrats who let a million Rwandans die in 1993 and the Clinton/Albright regime that imposed sanctions on Iraq, effectively killing half a million Iraqis. http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084. Kosovo killed many thousand civilians and soldiers than the original ethnic cleansing (~2000). Many Republicans were anti-war in Kosovo. What this really notes is that Democrats oppose "Republican" Wars and Republicans oppose "Democrat" Wars. Where are the real anti-war activists?
It's likely that the Republicans commit voter fraud and it's likely that the Democrats commit voter fraud. i know from friends of Democrats committing voter fraud at the polls, and tehre are accounts of Republicans doing the same. What's sad is how the Democrats lost to a President with a 49% approval rating before the election and an atmosphere where more than half of the country was questioning the Iraq War's effectiveness. Every time I hear a Democrat call Bush a moron, I wonder what kind of intellect does it take to lose to a moron?
I'm a solidly conservative acivist. It's time that we care about Americans first, over the expensive and deadly inetrests overseas. We need a leader who will upport America, protect American culture, won't get entangled in affiars overseas (that we almost always mess up), stop illegal immigration, respect a state's laws over the federal government's tyranny, balance the naton's checkbook and protect basic individual freedoms like Freedom of Speech and the Right to Bear Arms. So far, we have no leader who is fit for this job. Protect the Borders, Support the troops, Bring the troops home.
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» Reps and Dems ARE NOT THE SAME
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Posted by: electricwind on Jul 21, 2006 11:45 AM
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Posted by: KevinSchmidtSterlingVA on Jul 21, 2006 1:25 PM
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Lawsuits must be filed TODAY!!! Not after November's elections. No stolen elections were reversed in 2004. Why should 2006 be any different?
If lawsuits aren't filed before November, we are all just bitching and moaning around the water cooler. Nothing effective is being done, again.
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Posted by: bettyn on Jul 21, 2006 3:19 PM
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At least THAT would be ONE WAY to get your otherwise "SPOILED" ballot counted! The CROOKS will think you are a "fellow traveler" and thus count your vote! Result? We make up the million votes we are already "in the hole" for before the election even starts!
THINK OF THIS STRATEGY!!!! You could even f**k up the primaries by doing this! It would be an effective strategy especially in Ohio, New Mexico, and, of course, FLORIDA! (These are the three states where the Bushbabies do most of their dirty work.)
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Posted by: RepBast1984 on Jul 21, 2006 6:02 PM
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Democrats let the DLC take charge, and now there are no real leaders in the Demcoratic party left. So either the Dems can sit here and whine for all eternity, regardless of whether or not there was voter fraud, or they can party build, get volunteers ready and take on the Republicans like warriors. No one likes a sore loser, even if they're in the right.
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Posted by: Gazza126 on Jul 21, 2006 9:03 PM
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A story elesewhere on Alernet showed how Democrat voters in Ohio were disadvantaged and disenfranchised by a biased Republican state attorney-general. The same happened in Florida in 2000 and 2004.
The reaction of most Americans - silece. Yet it is a fair bet that if Mr Milosvitch had done in Yugoslavia what the Ohio Attorney-General did in the last election, the American government would have been screaming blue murder. And calling the election result a fraud.
The same can be said of Tom DeLay's gerrymandering of the Texas electorate.
The answer: federal legislation creating an independant - and permanent - electoral comission under the leadership of a retired senior judge.
This commission would be responsible for organising, conducting and counting election results, and be charged with setting electoral boundaries.
This is the system now in place in Australia and while Australians still find instances of dead people somehow arising from their graves to cast just one more vote before permanently retiring from the scene, the country has never considered its election results to be truly suspect. And despite winning four elections in a row, no one believes John Howard won office by fraudulent means.
America's big problem will be getting those same elected officials (Republican and Democrat) to change the rules that benefit them when they are in office.
The problem is yours, and only you can fix it. Good luck America, and all who sail with her.
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Posted by: jburik on Jul 22, 2006 7:39 AM
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Posted by: sidewinder on Jul 24, 2006 1:54 PM
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