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Middle East Violence: Neocons' Fantasy

By Michael Lerner, AlterNet. Posted July 17, 2006.


Though the neocons' dream of American global empire has failed, they're still pushing for an expansion of the conflict in the Middle East.

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The champions of American global empire are using the latest upsurge of violence in the Middle East to give new life to their discredited plan to extend the war in Iraq to Syria and Iran. The neo-con Weekly Standard has taken the lead in its July 24th cover issue, proclaiming that the current violence is "Iran's Proxy War" against the West.

As Standard editor William Kristol puts it, "It's our war." America's, that is.

"What's under attack," Kristol argues "is liberal democratic civilization, whose leading representative right now happens to be the United States." The logical conclusion of this "war of civilizations" analysis is Kristol's advice to the Bush Administration: "our focus should be less on Hamas and Hezbollah, and more on their paymasters and real commanders -- Syria and Iran. And our focus should be not only on the regional war in the Middle East, but also on the global struggle against radical Islamism."

Progressives have no sympathy for radical Islamism, if that means those who have systematically denied the rights of women and gays, imprisoned those insisting on human rights and civil liberties, and sponsored campaigns of terror against civilians in Israel, Egypt, Jordan, India, Bali, Spain, England or anyplace else in the world.

But even many who might have forgotten the lesson before the Iraq war today rally around the cry to "Bring the troops home" rather than the neo-con appeal to extend the war into other nations. Most of us have come to the conclusion that violence is not the solution to our problems.

Which is why many of us have been sickened and saddened by the recent escalation of the struggle after Israel decided to use the capture of one of its soldiers by Hamas an an excuse to reenter Gaza and destroy its pathetic infrastructure. This punitive measure left one million of the world's poorest people, living in the world's most densely populated area, without electricity -- i.e., without refrigeration or water -- and can only be construed as an act of collective punishment for the deeds of a small group of people (the elected Hamas government which actually made a public plea for the release of the prisoner, though that did not prevent Israel from moving in and arresting a significant portion of the Hamas elected leadership).

Perhaps seeing the moment as one requiring solidarity, or perhaps instigated by its patrons in Syria and Iran, Hezbollah broke its previous pledge to respect the Israeli border, crossed it, killed a group of Israeli soldiers and captured two. In turn, Israel again resorted to collective punishment, holding much of the Lebanese civilian population responsible, bombing the civilian airport and many other civilian installations, and surprisingly finding that Hezbollah was able to respond with a barrage of missiles which killed and wounded Israelis in several northern cities.

It's ludicrous to try to establish "blame" in the sense of who did what first. Incidents of violence on the part of Palestinians and their allies cannot be separated from the constant violence of the Occupation, the continual kidnapping by the IDF of Palestinian civilians who are held in prison camps without charges or trial for as long as six months, often enduring torture as documented by the Israeli Human Rights Organization B'Tselem.

Nor can the violence of the Occupation be separated from the misguided policies of many Palestinians who have never been willing to unequivocally acknowledge the legitimacy and right of the Jewish people to the same kind of national self-determination in the land of Palestine that Palestinians rightly demand for themselves; nor from the equally misguided fantasy that peace and prosperity will come from violence rather than from the non-violent strategies used by Gandhi, MLK Jr., and Mandela in his later years.


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Rabbi Michael Lerner is the editor of Tikkun and author of, most recently, "The Left Hand of God: Taking Back our Country from the Religious Right." He is co-chair of the Network of Spiritual Progressives.

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The Neo-Conzis
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 17, 2006 1:54 AM   
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According to William Kristol, "What's under attack is liberal democratic civilization". I'm sorry, but did anyone's irony alarm go off just then?

This only reminds me more than ever how important it is that the progressive democrats take back control of the House and Senate in November. These people (the republiNeo-Cons) should not only be out of power, many of them, including George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, should be rotting in federal prison for the rest of their lives.

Think about how reckless this administration has been for the last five years in spite of the fact that they ALWAYS had a mid-term or general election ahead of them! Now just think about the damage they're going to do to this country if they retain power in November. As destructive of this nation and this planet as they have been when they had everything to lose, imagine what their behavior will be like when they have NOTHING TO LOSE.

Are you worried yet? Well you really should be.

The first order of buisness of the 110th Congress will have to be the impeachment of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and the tidal wave of human shit that comprises the Cheney administration (We might as well keep this honest, you know what I mean?).

Pray for peace.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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Liberal democracies?
Posted by: algodees on Jul 17, 2006 2:14 AM   
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I always got the impression it was Kristol and the neocons who have been fighting the war against liberal democracies. When the oil in the Middle East is all used up or we finally get serious about alternative energy sources is when we will have peace. For a while.

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The destabilization and conquest of the Middle East.
Posted by: wli on Jul 17, 2006 2:17 AM   
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There don't really need to be many questions regarding the intentions for the Middle East. Policy planners have written extensively about their intentions to initiate military campaigns spanning the whole region and "democratizing" it.

The rest is a matter of what "democracy" and "freedom" mean to the policy planners. An enlightening snippet is the following (Chomsky, "Democracy Enhancement"):

Recall the conclusion of Reaganite official Thomas Carothers, who recognizes that the "democracy enhancement" programs in which he was involved "inevitably sought only limited, top-down forms of democratic change that did not risk upsetting the traditional structures of power with which the United States has long been allied," maintaining "the basic order of...quite undemocratic societies" and avoiding "populist-based change" that might upset "established economic and political orders" and open "a leftist direction." Nothing has changed in this regard.

"Democracy" ultimately means that the forms and outward appearance of a democratic republic are to be maintained to defuse popular discontent, but only to the extent that such "traditional structures of power with which the United States has long been allied." The electoral structure itself is typically arranged to preserve them explicitly, much as the United States' was:

When the number of landholders shall be comparatively small ... will not the landed interest be overbalanced in future elections, and unless wisely provided against, what will become of your government? ... If these observations be just, our government ought to secure the permanent interests of the country against innovation. Landholders ought to have a share in the government, to support these invaluable interests, and to balance and check the other. They ought to be so constituted as to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority. The senate, therefore, ought to be this body; and to answer these purposes, they ought to have permanency and stability.
James Madison, as cited in Robert Yates, Notes of the Secret Debates of the Federal Convention of 1787


"Freedom" in a similar fashion refers only to the "freedom" for wealth to translate to power. An individual has no rights except the right to what he can purchase according to such; witness equality before the law vs. bail, attorney's fees, and much more even within the US. "Freedom" furthermore is defined by such policy planners to mean the freedom of concentrated wealth from regulation by social policies such as taxation, no matter the decisions of the electorate. As Kissinger said,

I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves.

The same holds for economic policy in general; such is to be decided by the WTO et al. Democratically accountable institutions are to be categorically excluded from decision-making power over such affairs. That's the meaning of "freedom."

The "permanent interests" in the Middle East must be "secured" against the "innovations" of their restive populations that might, say, sell oil to China instead of Europe or the West, embargo the US, nationalize their oil industries, exclude US oil companies from drilling contracts, or decide not to use the USD as their reserve currency. That's why the Middle East must be conquered.

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Oh And by the way!
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 17, 2006 2:28 AM   
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Might this be the Bush administrations excuse to withdraw "honorably" from Iraq?

"WE MUST SAVE THE STATE OF ISRAEL"!!!

Wouldn't that just figure?

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This sums it up
Posted by: deo508 on Jul 17, 2006 3:51 AM   
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July 17, 2006
We're Being Set Up for Wider War in the Middle East
by Paul Craig Roberts

The old adage, "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me" does not apply to Americans, who have shown that they can be endlessly fooled.

Neoconservatives deceived Americans into an illegal attack and debilitating war in Iraq. American neoconservatives are closely allied with Israel's Likud Party. In the past, some neocons lost their security clearances because of "mishandling" of classified information. According to Insight magazine, "the Pentagon has banned security clearance to Americans with relatives in Israel. Government sources and attorneys said the Pentagon has sought and succeeded in removing security clearance from dozens of Americans, mostly Jews, who either lived, worked, or have relatives in Israel."

Despite questions of dual loyalties, neocons hold high positions in the Bush regime. Ten years ago these architects of American foreign and military policy spelled out how they would use deception to achieve "important Israeli strategic objectives" in the Middle East. First, they would focus "on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq." This would open the door for Israel to provoke attacks from Hezbollah. The attacks would let Israel gain American sympathy and permit Israel to seize the strategic initiative by "engaging Hezbollah, Syria, and Iran as the principal agents of aggression in Lebanon."
from Pul Craig Roberts at Antiwar.com
There are resource available where people tell the inonvenient truth, only, you wont'e find them in the msm.

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sickofsleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Jul 17, 2006 4:11 AM   
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VOTE DEMOCRATIC in November!! If the Dems can take back the government this Fall, the Dems in favor of impeachment will head the committees with impeachment power

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the ones
Posted by: rsaxto on Jul 17, 2006 4:18 AM   
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Somebody wants to have lots of big wars - could it be the ones who are making lots of money manufacturing and selling lots of big and small arms? Of couse it could and definitely is. The most greedy bastards in the world are those who make big profits making and selling big arms. We need to end wars by making all arms manufacturers non-profit and all warmongers non-free.

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Where are the Palestinians?
Posted by: mokidugway on Jul 17, 2006 4:36 AM   
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Although this article is sensible, and I agree with most of what Lerner has to say, it left me with a strange sense of being manipulated by the disingenuousness of someone who says things he doesn't really mean.

It reminded me of an Jewish/Palestinian discussion group I attended right after the invasion of Iraq, in some naive attempt to understand why so many of the Jewish Americans I knew, otherwise liberal thinkers, were supportive of Bush's agenda.

I thought I would hear Jews and Palestinians debating middle eastern policy. But as it turns out, there were no Palestinians. "Where are the Palestinians?" I asked. There were various vague responses; clearly this question made the group uncomfortable. They explained to me that a debate forum was too alienating, and that instead one person would tell their story each week, and others would listen. A man spoke about instances of anti-semitism in the small town where he grew up. After the talk, a woman came up to me and told me that my anger--which she had sensed--was misplaced; it was really Bush I had a problem with.

I left the meeting feeling manipulated, depressed, and somehow vaguely ashamed. These were nice and well-meaning people, but they had hijacked the original purpose of the group (which had a website and stated objectives) to serve their own agenda, and they seemed genuinely unable to see what they had done.

This is a problem with the whole debate on the middle east. Americans can't seem to hear the Arab world; we can't seem to recognize that Palestinians have a voice. They have no real voice in this Lerner article, which seems even-handed but at one point excuses the Israelis as people "with long memories" and generally treats the two sides as bearing equal responsibility, even though one side has the disproportionate amount of resources, power, and strength--and is responsible for killing many more civilians, including children.

Have Americans made the Muslim world so angry that you will no longer talk to us, or have you given up hope that we can see and hear you?

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To be Fair....
Posted by: IanA on Jul 17, 2006 4:38 AM   
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To be fair, before negotiating with the Israeli terrorist state (terrorist, because of its war crimes and terrorist activities against Palestinians and Lebanese), we should take out their WMD especially their confirmed and unregulated nuclear capabilities, destroy their weapons delivery systems, army, and air force, flatten Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, arm and equip the PA with the most sophisticated weapons, and allow them with impunity and massive subvention and military aid to occupy all Israeli territory for the next 40 to 50 years.

Then, and only then, should the PA unilaterally decide how to deal with the Israeli community in order to achieve a viable and permanent resolution to the territorial issues, while prioritizing their own (Palestinian) security.

So if you think that is ridiculous and unfair to the state of Israel, why should it be acceptable to impose such a scenario on anyone else who seeks to live in peace in the area?

Finally in this asymmetric war, since it is considered reasonable by the Israeli and apparently the US administrations to destroy Beirut, to kill and punish innocent citizens of Lebanon, destroying their civilian infrastructure, in contravention of the Geneva Conventions and the Laws of War, all in retaliation for the just military operations of Hezbollah (just, because Hezbollah is fighting terrorism), it must be only “fair” to expect similar and like destruction in Washington and other major US cities. But, that would be considered as terrorism, would it not?

And, that would only help the Bush administration. This disproportionate agression and provocation is no doubt an attempt by Bush to expand the ME conflict to gain any excuse to use swift and decisive aggression also on Syria, and Iran anyway.

The war has started because governments of Israel and US are basing their power on ignorance, inequality, hate, fear, and the use of violence as a primary tool and they expect to maintain and strengthen their base by expanding these factors, while blaming “the other side” while expanding territorial hegemony and resource domination.

The key to this problem is the criminal Bush administration and the "we" referred to above are a bunch of bleating sheep, or are we?

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The saddest thing to me...
Posted by: moontime on Jul 17, 2006 4:41 AM   
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Humans are amazing. They are intelligent and capable. Thats why it is so sad to me that we have not learned how to solve our differences without violence. I've seen it time and time again on a small scale- you make somebody angry and their IQ seems to drop and their basest emotions take over, and rational thought goes out the window. Why is it so hard to elect somebody that has common sense? So much anger in the world.
I hope you are right about the global empire dream being dead.

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Do Something!
Posted by: wawa on Jul 17, 2006 5:44 AM   
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Israel is using weapons supplied by the United States to target Palestinian & Lebanese civilians and civilian infrastructure in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon in violation of the US Arms Export Control Act and the Geneva Conventions.

Israel’s human rights violations in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon are being committed with US weapons financed by US tax dollars!

The Israeli air force fighter squadrons are composed of Lockheed Martin F-16I Fighting Falcons and Boeing F-15Is, which fire US-manufactured AMRAAM, Sidewinder, and Sparrow missiles. From 2000-2005, the United States licensed to Israel at least $1.062 billion of spare parts, engines, and missiles for its F-15 and F-16 fighter planes.

From 2000-2005, the United States licensed to the Israeli navy more than $572 million worth of patrol boat, ship, and submarine components and spare parts, torpedoes, and sonar equipment.

From 2000-2005, the United States licensed to Israel more than $348 million worth of tanks, components, and spare parts.

From 2000-2005, the United States licensed to Israel $69,163 worth of M-109 spare parts and 155mm artillery shells.

Israel’s summer of killing civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure in the Gaza Strip is a clear reminder that Israel remains the occupying power of the Gaza Strip despite last year’s “unilateral disengagement”. Living under military occupation, the Palestinians of the Gaza Strip are “protected persons” under the terms of the Geneva Conventions. Israel’s targeting of civilians and civilian infrastructure in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon is a violation of the Geneva Conventions and constitutes war crimes.

In addition, by using US-supplied weapons to commit these atrocities, Israel is violating the terms of the US Arms Export Control Act and Foreign Assistance Act. The Arms Export Control Act restricts the use of US weapons to legitimate self-defense and internal policing; US weapons cannot be used to attack civilians in offensive operations. The Foreign Assistance Act prohibits US aid of any kind to a country with a pattern of gross human rights violations.


DO SOMETHING! RISE UP and tell Bush what you think:

WHITE HOUSE COMMENTS LINE: 202-456-1111
WHITE HOUSE SWITCHBOARD: 202-456-1414
WHITE HOUSE FAX: 202-456-2461

"In the long run, there is no justice without FREEDOM. There can be no human rights without LIBERTY. All who live in tyranny and hopelessness can know the United States will not ignore your oppression or excuse your oppressors. When you stand for liberty, we stand with you."-President George W. Bush, Second Inaugural Address

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It's time to support Ron Paul's efforts to legalize hemp and help us produce hemp oil !
Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 17, 2006 6:27 AM   
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For 69 years, this crop that would save us all from deforestation, dependance on foreign oil, health problems, etc ...

Funny he's a libertarian though he had to sit in as a Republican. Anyone from his district who can verify why he took GOP instead of done what Sanders did and stay independent?

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Neocons=psychopats
Posted by: cold2touch on Jul 17, 2006 6:32 AM   
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And that is basically it, all these other labels are not helpful. They are not a new phenomenon, although they love to wear disguises: Marxists, Leninists, Trotskyists, Maoists, ... Stalinists. Their agenda is always the same: destruction of social values, exchange of old power structure by their own set of injustices, murder and mayhem, acquisition of military and political power and thought control. Look at all the present-day goons who at one time called themselves Communists: Bill Kristol, Michael Ledeen, Harold Rhode ... today they form the central nervous system of the neocon movement, yet they are the same criminals they always were. They thrive in maximal iniquity, "creative" chaos, fear. Social stability, justice and reason are their greatest enemy, like disinfectant to their disease.
Today they love Israel, not because they are Jews but because it is powerful, armed to the teeth and psychotic regime, built on 50 years of unceasing terror, oppression, theft and robbery. Their ilk loved Joe Stalin's Soviet Union and apartheid South Africa previously and no doubt Pol Pot's Cambodia as well. Because the present GOP and administration are thoroughly infested by homicidal maniacs like Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush and DeLay, they see natural kinship and need for alliance but as soon as that ship springs holes (unless they plug them with more stolen elections), they will happily jump it and migrate under Hilary Clinton's stained dress.
They should be arrested and either tried for treason or sent to asylums for criminally insane.

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Next phase underway
Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 17, 2006 6:38 AM   
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It has been well-known amongst members of the armed forces that the attack on Iran was scheduled for July this year. The only thing stopping it was the 'Gulf of Tonkin' moment. We have now had that.

Israel will soon push into Lebanon. It will also strike Syria. That will provoke both Iran and Hezbullah to launch multiple attacks into Israel. That in turn will bring greater response.

The US will then come in to help bomb Iran. I actually agree with all of this. It is time to finish this off and get some peace in the region and the world that can last fifty years. Once this campaign is over it will be time to re-visit all the international institutions and re-make them for the 21st century. We need the UN disbanded and replaced with a more effective international governing body.

We have shaped the battlefield, it is now time to start shaping the peace. Just like in the last years of WWII, the major powers started work on the global institutions, it is time to start actively discussing the new institutions to govern the world. I think this is the debate the left should be having.

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The Grand Chessboard
Posted by: daw13 on Jul 17, 2006 6:50 AM   
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Way back in the '60s Zbigniew Brzizinski advised US policy makers that inevitably the Third World was rising, China and Inda looming on the horizon as major competitors of Western capitalism. The catalyst of this development would be the rapidly modernizing Arabic world. Cutting the legs from under Arabic modernization, disrupting relationships between Arabs and other Asians -- was essential. Samuel Huntington, Brzizinski's old Harvard buddy, soon wrote The Clash of Civilizations, which became the Neocon paradigm for justifying acting upon Brzizinski's advice.

From this point of view, as George Lakeoff said recently in a brilliant piece, the current US Incumbency has not been failing in its foreign policy. Where it has failed is in underestimating the ability of the Islamic Fundamentalist movement to produce effective response. It would appear that Hezbollah and Hamas may now be making common cause -- a significant development, since these groups have represented conflicting interests within the Arabic world. What it would mean is that Israel's old methodology of damaging assailants' home base in order to discourage support for them, is no longer feasible even as Machivellian strategy. Israel assailants' home base is now global, in all probability.

It serves Neocon interests for the only stability in the Middle East to remain a state of perpetual conflict. What this will mean for Israel is constant harrassment, the draining of energy and lives, sheer misery, slow death. What it will mean for Palestinians is less protection than ever from being employed only as mercenaries, a fate Arafat protected them from to a remarkable degree for years.

Lerner's view is accurate in some regards, but rather provincial in others. All warring parties in this conflict are merely pawns on the Grand Chessboard.

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Israel might want to fight the NRA for working with Iran, Cuba, Syria, China, Egypt, and Russia
Posted by: maxpayne on Jul 17, 2006 8:15 AM   
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NRA to International Arms Traffickers: “All Clear…”

http://www.csgv.org/news/blog.cfm

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Please don't shill for your own book, even if you have a point.
Posted by: Artaraxl on Jul 17, 2006 8:31 AM   
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It's just a turn-off, and implicitly undermines your credibility. If we like your arguments and your writing, we'll look you up on Amazon.

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DUH "B" YAH stalling for more time.
Posted by: symcokid on Jul 17, 2006 8:56 AM   
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Der FUHRER is stalling for more time so ISRAEL can get further into LEBANON to really establish itself before the mighty U.N. sneaks in to "quell" the situation. By then they will have stolen plenty that they can claim as theirs, at the same time blowing everything in LEBANON to hell! Now they'll have even more land they can occupy and claim as their own!

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Mr. Lerner is right on the money, but so are some critics
Posted by: SufiLizard on Jul 17, 2006 10:25 AM   
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I think all this is probably just another ploy by the neocon death cult to get their war with Iran. I notice how quickly they drew in Syria and Iran in assigning blame for this. The Christo-fascist zombie brigade are tired of waiting for the rapture, so they think the can help speed it along by trying to force their so-called biblical prophecies. The rest of the neo-cons just like to make a killing (no pun intended) on these constant wars and keep working to bankrupt the government so they can finally "drown it in a bathtub."

It truly is all a pretty obvious move on the global chessboard.

That being said. Michael Lerner is still exactly right in how we need to respond to this. The leaders manipulating world events hold a lot of power, but we the people, ultimately, hold more if we're willing to wield it.

Last century's heroes like Ghandi, MLK, and Mandela proved that violence is powerless against vigilant people armed with love, compassion and truth.

It ain't easy, and it certainly takes a lot more courage from a lot more people than the path of violence and retaliation, but it is effective.

What's a chessmaster to do if the pieces refuse to move?

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Neocon Kristol is delusional...
Posted by: Ghoulman on Jul 17, 2006 10:44 AM   
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Widening war in the middle east? The USA will attack Syria? Iran?

Yea... right.

The USA can't, it simply doesn't have the ability to do so. It's delusional for the Neocons, and the Bush leadership, to even suggest this is so. Americas War? No, it's Israel breaking every law it can for the excuse to murder children in buses fleeing the bombing.

Nothing will happen, Israel and the USA will realize they can't do anything but murder people in or near Israel and sooner or later, once the current leaders go away or somehow realize they can't achieve thier mysterious goals, the diplomacy will kick in... and the thousands who died will have died for nothing. It's 1976 and 1982 all over again.

This is all just saber rattling by the USA and Israel. Kristol's goofy American War rhetoric is just the sort of fantasy world Americans are sold on. Funny, but if the USA does attack it will find itself in even faster decline as it's Empire over reaches itself. Considering the damage all this can do to America, and has already done, one has to wonder just what side the Neocons are on.

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it is KRISTOL clear...
Posted by: peridot on Jul 17, 2006 11:32 AM   
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In his piece 'ITS OUR WAR' Kristol shares with us his theory on how idea's become dangerous...Communism became dangerous when it siezed Russia...National Socialism became dangerous when it siezed Germany..Islamism became dangerous when it siezed Iran. I have another one for him. ZIONISM became dangerous when it siezed America. He and this rabid cabal of neocons, Christian fundamentalists, and robber-baron republicans are applying the final solution to what is left of the American Democracy.

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The Best Thing You Can Say About The Neocons
Posted by: xbj on Jul 17, 2006 11:33 AM   
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After they suicide the US against China and Russia over Iran, they get hauled out from their underground bunker in Colorado and are beheaded on live television for their warcrimes against humanity.

That's the best thing anyone can say about the Neocons. Hope Wolfowitz has time to spit shine his hair before his head goes "plump" in the bucket. Hope Perle has time to put his TV makeup on, those bags under the eyes are looking pretty bad. Laura Bush will look very distinguished with snow white hair. Condi... no wait, I'm having a Sylvia Browne moment here... Condi doesn't make the party. I see her catching fire some distance away from one of the Chinese nukes and running for a bit.

Dubyah? Dubyah escapes, as usual. But dies a really slow agonizing death from a disease in his bowels. Probably colon cancer from all that stupid tobacco, with no treatment, in a cave. Much like Osama.

Cheney and Rove? Don't know exactly what it is, but know God is very creative and it's going to be very appropriately agonizing. Which, for them, will be only the beginning.

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» xbj, my nominee for Supreme Court Posted by: cold2touch
author humbly acknowledges neocons...and not neoicons! horrors!
Posted by: mysticw0lf on Jul 17, 2006 12:01 PM   
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I would like to blame spellcheck...or cyber demons...but ...none the less....there is nothing worse than finding a typo after the send button is hit.

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ENDLESS ROAD TO NOWHERE
Posted by: chanceny on Jul 17, 2006 1:03 PM   
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The force of war, the shock and awe that was supposed to bring the middle eastern countries to their knees in supplication and acceptance in recognition that democracy was the true path they need embrace, has failed so miserably it amazes me the concept has caught on like a worldwide epidemic. The beligerance of small countries against their age-old enemies has been emboldened by the policy of preemptive warfare the bushco neoconartist cabal invented and flagrantly practiced by invading, defeating and occupying an already weakened enemy state. You've got India testing their missles, Russia flexing their muscle and dissing our 'democratic' model in Iraq, N. Korea defying our half-assed impotent warnings, Iran threatening to continue building their nukes, and now Israel, 'over reacting', being goaded by the capturing of their soldiers and having missles fired over their borders that were obviously made and delivered by Syria and Iran to the 'former' terrorist Hamas & Hezbolah newly formed, democratically elected governments. Seems like our abysmal failures both in rebuilding Afhanistan and finishing off the Taliban, and creating a democratic role model country for all the middle east to marvel over in Iraq, should have been examples of how disasterous and ill-conceived these policies were. Maybe everyone else is trying to instruct us how it should have been done, embellishing on the scale of bloody warfare. We can not say do as I do, not as I say, cause we both say and do the same thing. Force - not negotiation, cause it takes TOO LONG to produce results - force - use guns, bombs, missles, tanks indiscrimitely - force - brutal force that causes 'unfortunate' collateral damage which produces new generations of hateful enemies - force - with no end game planning, no end in sight cause our fate is 'predestined'. Every warrior agrees their destiny has been preordained and they will be victorious. All possess blind faith in their higher power, except there are multiple higher powers who can not ALL be right. Therefore the fighting will be ongoing, in every corner of the globe, until or unless there comes a voice of reason that transcends the hatred with rational solutions of compromise and peaceful negotiations. But, not us. Not with this wild bunch in charge. if we don't change the players in November, there will be no destination anyone can travel to to live in peace.

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» RE: NDLESS ROAD TO NOWHERE Posted by: deo508
The 2 most significant comments on this thread
Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Jul 17, 2006 4:10 PM   
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Take note of what has been said here. Bobsays gave us the Bush/Neocon game plan in plain print and made it understandable:

Next phase underway
Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 17, 2006 6:38 AM [Report this comment]
It has been well-known amongst members of the armed forces that the attack on Iran was scheduled for July this year. The only thing stopping it was the 'Gulf of Tonkin' moment. We have now had that.

Israel will soon push into Lebanon. It will also strike Syria. That will provoke both Iran and Hezbullah to launch multiple attacks into Israel. That in turn will bring greater response.

The US will then come in to help bomb Iran. I actually agree with all of this. It is time to finish this off and get some peace in the region and the world that can last fifty years. Once this campaign is over it will be time to re-visit all the international institutions and re-make them for the 21st century. We need the UN disbanded and replaced with a more effective international governing body.

We have shaped the battlefield, it is now time to start shaping the peace. Just like in the last years of WWII, the major powers started work on the global institutions, it is time to start actively discussing the new institutions to govern the world. I think this is the debate the left should be having.

Then, xbj gave us the most sensible activist solution to the problem:

RE: NDLESS ROAD TO NOWHERE
Posted by: xbj on Jul 17, 2006 1:58 PM [Report this comment]
We can't change the players in November. Not without tossing the Diebold and ES&S voting machines into Boston Harbor...

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we need new trolls
Posted by: Ghoulman on Jul 17, 2006 4:42 PM   
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Conservasaurus wrote:
wouldn't it be great if Bush shared his cell with Clinton.. it's only fitting since he WAS impeached and is a criminal... did we forget that small point???? *LOL* liberals are smart but have no memory...

This is just pathetic. You call this a troll? Kids stuff. I've been flame warring all over the Net since 2003 against neocon/faux conservative intrasigence and sky high strawmen... the tripe I read from the trolls on Alternet.org is just sad. Pathetic.

liberals are smart but have no memory...

What?

Look, we need new trolls. We need a better class of troll. Honestly, I just can't be bothered with such amateurish twaddle. I implore the current gang of trolls to either make a better effort or let some real trolls entertain me. Us, I mean us! Us, yes, well all deserve quality. ;p

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"End the Suffering in the Middle East"
Posted by: aurora2484 on Jul 17, 2006 4:49 PM   
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This is a re-posted link, - in response to several snap-judgements in this discussion, of Rabbi Lerner as of someone who, they say, omits the Palestinian perspective:

www.truthout.org/docs_2006/071706A.shtml

End the Suffering in the Middle East
By Rabbi Michael Lerner
Tikkun Sunday 16 July 2006

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