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A Disaster for the Lebanese

By Dahr Jamail, Inter Press Service. Posted July 15, 2006.


The latest Israeli onslaught of Lebanon is in full swing, driving thousands of Lebanese to flee the bombing of Beirut.

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Once again the U.S. government has refused to condemn the Israeli invasion of Lebanon as the bombs fall on Beirut, killing scores of civilians.

In a moment of levity while driving to the border, Abu Talat turned to me and said, "You know what I miss?" I replied, "What do you miss sir?" He smiled and said, "Iraqi chai!" He then turns to our driver and asked him if he'd ever had Iraqi chai, then went on to brag about how tasty it is. "It is the greatest of chais," he said proudly when looking back to me once again.

When we arrived at the Lebanese border this morning we found thousands of people streaming across in cars with their luggage lashed on top, and many on foot pulling wheeled suitcases.

Little Bush, the ever obedient spokesman for Bush, announced that he thinks Syria should be punished for their role in supporting Hezbollah, so the mood in Damascas is one of anxious waiting to see what comes next. The how and when of the punishment is what is on our minds.

So the latest Israeli onslaught of Lebanon is in full swing, and with the Israelis need for the water of southern Lebanon, perhaps this occupation of Lebanon may last longer than the last one of 22 years. If indeed Syria gave the green light for Hezbollah to cross the UN line in southern Lebanon and launch their attack on Israeli soldiers where they detained two soldiers and killed another eight, they have effectively handed the Israeli war planners an excuse for all out war against Lebanon. In addition, the Hezbollah attack, if indeed supported by Syria, would give the U.S. the ability to give a green light to Israel to attack Syria. We wait, watch, and hope that the bombs don't begin to fall on Damascas.

A reported 15,000 people crossed the Lebanese border into Syria on Thursday, seeking refuge from widespread bombings in Beirut, carried out by Israeli F-16 warplanes. Today, the situation continued, with reports of bombed petrol stations, police stations, and a hospital.

Interviewing people at the border who had fled the bombs in Beirut, I felt like I was back in Iraq by what people were telling me.

"I was in an area south of Beirut which was bombed heavily by the Israelis," 55 year-old electrician Ali Suleiman told me, "There were so many refugees in shelters nearby us, which was also nearby an old hospital which the Israelis bombed last night. It was terrifying at night when they attacked our area, and the Israelis thought the hospital was an ammunition dump for Hezbollah, so they bombed the hospital. Both Syrian and Lebanese people are leaving now. There is no more food, not even bread. There was no more electricity or water in our area. If this situation continues, it will be a giant catastrophe."

The same tactics I've seen used by the U.S. in Fallujah, Al-Qa'im and other cities in Iraq.

I was told a similar story by a 22-year-old Lebanese student, Nebham Razaq Hamed, who was in southern Beirut. "The bombing at night was continuous and has continued today, they are using warplanes and sometimes artillery. Everybody is in a panic because of the haphazard bombing which is killing so many civilians now. The Israelis are terrorizing the people intentionally by not discriminating between fighters and civilians."

As the level of fighting deepens, one can only hope that other forms of terrorism don't beset the people of Lebanon, particularly the women. In Ruth Rosen's incredible piece, "A Wave of Sexual Terrorism In Iraq," the disastrous situation for women caught up in the chaos of war is outlined well. This must-read paints the tragic picture of what we can only hope will not descend on the women of Beirut as the Israeli siege of that city grinds on.

A man from Saudi Arabia on a bus with his family said, "Are the Israelis not occupying enough Arab land already?"

It is only 127 kilometers from Beirut to Damascas, so the attacks were very fresh on the minds of the people I spoke with--many of them with shaky hands.

Others told me that the Bekaa Valley of central Lebanon, located on a high plateau situated between the Mt. Lebanon and Anti-Lebanon mountain ranges, is being bombed, including the ancient city of Baalbek. The city, which began at the end of the third millennium BC, was originally Phoenician, is located near two rivers and shortly after a Roman colony was founded there by Julius Caesar in 47 BC, construction on the massive temple complex began in earnest. Whether the temples are being bombed is doubtful, but the nearby city of Baalbek, where Hezbollah controls the area, has been bombed according to two people I interviewed.

"It's very bad there, as the Israelis are attacking civilians, bombing police and petrol stations, and even the fuel storage depots," said a 50-year-old Kuwait man who was fleeing Beirut, "In fact, they have even bombed the airport once again. I saw F-16's bombing and there is smoke everywhere. This is a big disaster for the Lebanese."

When asked what he thought it would take to end the fighting, he promptly replied, "It looks like the Arab governments are not moving their asses, so I am leaving."

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Hypocrisy
Posted by: mr5roses on Jul 14, 2006 1:51 PM   
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You acknowledge that Hizbollah started this with no discernible provocation (except conjectural Syrian orders) and conclude that the Israelis are "terrorizing" the Lebanese people?!?!? "This is a big disaster for the Lebanese," says a refugee you quote. I agree, and it's terrible that Lebanese and Israeli civilians will pay the price for Hizbollah's maneuver. Of course, the other governing parties of Lebanon could muster themselves to prevent Hizbollah from further sacrificing innocents to their purposes. Let's hold our breath and see.

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astounding lack of moral clarity
Posted by: AdamBaum on Jul 14, 2006 2:47 PM   
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It is increasingly incredible to me that alternet continue to publish such overwhelmingly biased articles about the conflict in the Middle East. Hezbollah, a group that sits in the Lebanese parliament, provoked this Israeli attack by crossing an internationally recognized border and kidnapping and attacking Israeli soldiers on Israeli soil. They have continued terrorizing Israel by raining Katyshyuka rockets on major population centers like Haifa, as well as Safed, one of the five holy cities, a mystical city that is perhaps one of the worlds most peaceful. Ehud Olmert said it well: the actions of Hezbollah were an act of war by Lebanon, whether their government desired it or not. Israel has the right and obligation to strike back against these killers. The death of civilians is a tragedy, on both sides of this conflict- but it is the obligation of the Lebanese people to take control of their own country, deliver the kidnapped soldiers back to Israel unharmed, and reign in the militants finding safe refuge in their own land. Until they do so, Israel must show strength to convince the Lebanese people that giving safe harbor to these murderers is not in the best interest of their country.

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Who is the Agressor ?
Posted by: eyeman on Jul 14, 2006 3:31 PM   
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Why is terrorism seen only on one side. Any murder of civilians committed by Israel - in the words of our leadership - is fine as self defense. But any action by the Lebanese, even against a soldier of an army of occupation who is ready to kill any minute is terrorism according to our media.
1. Israel killed more than fifty civilians so far and who knows how many more -- people who are not armed and have nothing to do with Hizbollah.
2. Israel holds thousands of Lebanese citizens, Sub-humans in the eyes of the world. Israel tortured and raped many of them in jail. Only the two kidnapped Israeli soldiers matter to our administration.
3. The Lebanese formed a resistance movement and fought back until they ejected the Israeli troops and ended the occupation of their country. That is why they are being punished. They dared to fight back, therefore they are terrorists.
4. Israel is holding Millions in Lebanon under siege
5. And one and half millions in Gaza. Gaza borders and airport are bombed shutdown. Most food, medicine or cash is not allowed to cross from Egypt or anywhere else. They bombed the infrastructure so they have no electricity or clean water just because they dared to vote freely.
6. The Israeli state terrorism will only increase radicalism. No military power will solve the middle east conflict. Only fairness and dignity to all sides.

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setting the stage.
Posted by: peridot on Jul 14, 2006 5:11 PM   
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I don't believe for a moment that this vast military invasion has to do with the kidnapping of IDF soldiers. The propaganda machine in Israel is just as effective there as it is in the US and could ,if the rulers so wished, have relegated the kidnappings to page 30 filler notes. IMHO this is a preparation for an attack on Iranian nuclear sites.

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I think things have gone from deplorable...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Jul 15, 2006 12:52 AM   
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...to despicable.

No one is without blame. Hopefully we are stronger than the ideologues who "win".

The visciousness is...horrible.

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This was a long time coming for the terrorists
Posted by: prod on Jul 15, 2006 1:05 AM   
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The Muslims said 'please give us this land back and we pretty promise with sugar on top to not attack you from it'.

Israel then pulled back to internationally recognized borders, they handed over Gaza and withdrew from Lebanon many years ago.

Then the Muslims attacked them from the land they promised not to use to attack from.

What should Israel do? Let they keep lobbing over hundreds of rockets? What country would do that? Not even France would be that stupid.

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Are you not entertained?
Posted by: shangrilalad on Jul 15, 2006 3:41 AM   
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What did you make of George Bush's most recent performances as Commander and Chief, the Decider, and the War President of the United States?

Watch his face and body language. Didn't he strike you as a mischievous little boy gleefully enjoying a scam he'd pulled off with great cleverness? Rove was the director, but Bush stood all alone on the stage, the great actor playing to the mob. Were you touched by his concern that Israel show restraint and make every effort to limit the loss of life?

Isn’t this exciting? Watching war on TV is much better than watching gladiators fight to the death in the coliseum. War has become the ultimate spectator sport. Are you not entertained?

Israeli aggression in Lebanon, Syria and Gaza is a win-win situation for Bush. No matter how it turns out , he can't be blamed for widening the war. It wasn't his fault, the Israelis did it. His hands are tied.

Watch Bush’s ratings climb, the 2006 election is in the bag.

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So they want their soldiers back?
Posted by: famouspipeliner on Jul 15, 2006 3:42 AM   
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Israel has demonstrated, beyond a shed of doubt, how much they care about the well being of the soldiers/hostages. The best way to assure that they are recovered alive is to bomb the civilian populations of neighboring countries.
The Israeli government is right in its' assumption that the kidnappings were part of an elaborate conspriratorial scheme between the Palestinians in Gaza, the Lebanese people, Syria, and Iran and is therefore justified in bombing them all to defend themselves.
They have the right to defend themselves just as all nations have the right to defend themselves, pre-emptively if need be, with all necessary force, to pull the fangs from potential attackers. The best way to prevent a war is to start a war. Kill them...kill them all.
Sorry folks, I am so angry right now. I feel like Charleton Heston in the Planet of the Apes when he comes upon the statue of liberty half buried in the sand.

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collusion
Posted by: rsaxto on Jul 15, 2006 3:44 AM   
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This is another example of ghastly bombing by the ghastly US/Isreali allies who hope to bomb all of their opponents back into the stone age so they can't fight back. Hasn't worked in the past and won't work now. It's just more warmongering mass-murdering war crimes. Peace and justice cannot come out of the booming bombing of civilians and the noises of countless guns. This is not rational behavior by decent human beings it is only irrational bullshit which can only lead to the most irrational bullshit of all: weapons of mass destruction used by those who have them in huge surplus. Get your bomb shelters now for the globe is run by MADMEN.

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Syria gets Lebanon again
Posted by: solrev on Jul 15, 2006 5:12 AM   
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Hamas captures Israeli soldier; Israeli retaliates with overwhelming force in Gaza.
Hezbala captures Israeli soldiers; Israeli retaliates with overwhelming force in Lebanon.
Syria invades Lebanon. Why does Syria want to occupy Lebanon?

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No end in sight
Posted by: tiellis on Jul 15, 2006 5:24 AM   
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Once again, we see an outbreak of endemic violence between Israel and its neighbors, each side vehemently denouncing the barbaric behavior of the other, while glibly rationalizing their own barbaric behavior as "self-defense." The only real difference is that Israel's vastly superior firepower, courtesy of the US, enables it to inflict far more damage, far more quickly, than its opponents can inflict in return. But this is asymmetrical warfare--superior firepower offers no real advantage at all.

As long as there is a single member of Hamas or Hezbollah, or their millions of allies throughout the Middle East, left standing, the Israelis will never be free of the random acts of violence with which they are regularly afflicted. And as long as the Israelis equate "self-defense" with violent and disproportionate retribution, the cycle of violence will go on and on, getting worse and worse.

Violence has never stopped violence, and never will. An army can invade and bring down a hostile foreign regime, but military bloodshed can never win the hearts of the people that they seek to dominate. There is a basic underlying truth to the well-worn slogan, "El pueblo unido jamas sera vencido."

And with the proliferation of murderous weapons throughout the world today, even the toughest, meanest regime around can never "stop terror" with force, any more than you can kill mosquitoes with machine-guns. Terrorism and brutal repression go hand-in-hand--Hezbollah and Israel have a marriage made in hell.

I wish I could envisage a solution, short of the mutual, self-willed annhilation of both parties. But one thing I know: the "blame game" serves no good purpose at all. It is morally atrocious, by any standard, for guerilla groups to lob rockets into villages, blow themselves up on buses, or kidnap soldiers. It is even more morally atrocious, by any standard, for a state bristling with military hardware to launch full-blown attacks on neighboring countries that cannot possibly defend themselves. Two wrongs never have, and never will, make a right. If Israel and its enemies cannot learn to coexist peacefully, with mutual respect, they will eventually cease to exist at all.

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Religion is at the heart of the problem
Posted by: sausage on Jul 15, 2006 6:23 AM   
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We can go on and on how the Israeli/Palestinian conflict has its roots in the past effects of nineteenth century imperialism; and especially of British favoritism of European Zionist Jews over native Palestinian Arabs during the period of its mandate following World WarI. There is a lot of truth to this. However, a deeper, more fundamental cause for this decades long conflict lies in the collective psyches of both Palestinians and Israelis, and that is their respective religions.

Neither Judism or Islam has a tradition of pacifism. Now as soon as I typed this I realize that apologists for both religions will point out ways in which I am in error. Be that as it may. Yet from what little I know of the Old Testement and the Qur'an, there is no real imprecation against violence by the respective deities of either Judaism or Islam. Therefore, neither the Israelis or Palestinians, since their respective gods sanction violence in the defense of "ethnic" Jews and "ethic" Muslims, are willing or able to lay down their arms and extend the olive branch.

About the best the rest of the world can do, for now and the foreseeable future, is implement an international cordon sanitaire round that portion of the earth and let them fight it out until both sides come to the edge of extinction. After all, they are really fighting over who has the tougher, meaner invisible friend.

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Prisoner capture
Posted by: prairiedog on Jul 15, 2006 8:04 AM   
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Asia Times reports that the Israeli prisoners were captured ON THE LEBANON SIDE OF THE BORDER.

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The Middle East Flare-up: Bring Back Colin Powell—NOW!
Posted by: HughEScott on Jul 15, 2006 9:13 AM   
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When General Powell left the State Department after warning Bush, “You break Iraq and you own it,” George W. began a new era of U.S. foreign policy best described in Mad comic books as,”What, me worry?”

Shrub’s response to the Israeli bombing of Lebanon was a radio-transmitted phone call to Middle East leaders from Air Force One with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice whispering in his ear. Yeah, that impressed the world—just like after Hurricane Katrina hammered the Gulf Coast.

While fellow Americans were drowning in New Orleans, Bush flew from his Crawford ranch to Southern California for partying and GOP fund raising.

And where was Condi? On vacation in the Big Apple, shopping on Park Avenue for fancy shoes. Later that night, as more men, women and children in New Orleans slipped underwater, she attended a Broadway play and got booed by the audience for being in Manhattan instead of D.C.

So tell me, Miss Tweedle Dee and Commander-in-Chief Dumb, how many innocent civilians in Lebanon must die before Israel gets back its TWO (2) kidnapped soldiers?

One hundred, 500, a thousand...?

Just what I figured. No response.

With that kind of leadership, no wonder the Middle East is blowing up. MAY DAY to General Powell, America needs you NOW

For the truth about King George W. Bush & the treasonous necons, visit www.FreedomCentralUSA.com

Hugh E. Scott, author, investigative journalist, Vietnam veteran, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican, Goldwater conservative, Ronald Reagan fan and RABID neocon-hater with a family history of honorable military service going back to 1776.

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zeeland
Posted by: EQdi on Jul 15, 2006 9:52 AM   
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The events playing out in the Middle-East are a result of the long-term strategic military policies of the United States and Israel. We allow the illusion that conflicts have occurred due to random regional tensions and instability, when in truth they have been nurtured and fueled by this and prior administrations preparing for peak oil and the end of dollar hegemony.
To suggest Israel dropped the hammer without the consult and blessing of the U.S. government is laughable. Israel actions are a catalyst for further U.S. aggression towards Iran and Syria. Another step towards the multiple theater wars promised.
The recent headline that Israel supposedly told Condy Rice to "back off" is typical of the propaganda used to position the U.S as a neutral third party.
China and Russia, the fly in the ointment, will be the factors that determine whether or not a resolution is reached before all out global war. Russia wants admittance to the WTO. Will they agree to support the petrodollar? If not, we're looking at the collapse and remonetization of the U.S. economy.

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Who will get to occupy Lebanon
Posted by: solrev on Jul 15, 2006 9:56 AM   
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Israel has escalated it’s response far beyond anything required for the perceived aggression and every one can see this including Israel. There must be an alternative motive. With the US in Iraq and capable of keeping Iran out of the conflict is Israel trying to force Syria into a war? In which case Israel can occupy the whole of Lebanon this time. Does Syria want to take on Israel and occupy Lebanon? The poor Lebanese are caught in the middle. The eye of the tiger must be occupation of Lebanon or a lot of innocent people are being killed for nothing. There are no political gains to be made. Watch for which side starts to mobilize ground troops.

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Another tragedy with possibly disastrous consequences
Posted by: srqwolf on Jul 15, 2006 10:42 AM   
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This assault on the Lebanese people by the criminal Israeli regime is certainly a tragedy, considering that Lebanon has just recently recovered from a generation of civil war and invasion – not all of it directly Israel’s fault, but mainly perpetrated and exploited by Israel since its 1982 invasion.

Yet, this is also a tragedy for the region and the world – and it is part of the larger global war crime of the Iraq war concocted and prosecuted by the American neo-cons with the help of the Likudnik fifth column in the US. The neo-cons, of course, think that they’ve got this all sussed out, and that it will serve their larger interest of taking out the governments of Syria and Iran. Yet, the potential for a regional war that could plunge the major powers into a general world war is frighteningly great – the law of unintended consequences tending, as it does, to rule in these sorts of situations. Or, as Hegel put it, “the owl of Minerva flies at dusk.”

Given the morally tone-deaf coverage we are seeing from the US corporate media, and the indefensible encouragement that this dangerous aggression has received from the Bush junta, it is likely that the movement to reign in the US war on Iraq, and bring about some sort of exit to that debacle will also be set seriously back by this Israeli action.

And, one can’t help wondering if that wasn’t the idea all along – killing two birds, as it were, by giving the Israeli’s a chance to broaden their genocide against the Palestinians into an opportunity to grab southern Lebanon permanently, whilst de-stabilising their old nemesis Syria. And, at the same time allowing the Bush regime to redefine the Iraq war by up-ending the strategic chessboard once again. Can you imagine any democrat running against the war in the upcoming US congressional elections - even in an oblique way - now that this war has been widened and complicated. So much for taking back the House, chaps.

Expect to see a sweeping attempt in the US to silence all critics of the Iraq war and of Israel by conflating these two conflicts (as they apply to dissent) under the twin rubrics of the ‘war on terror’ and ‘anti-Semitism’. It makes one nostalgic for the days when the old Soviet Union acted as a counterweight to this sort of reckless adventurism.

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waterPCS
Posted by: waterPCS on Jul 15, 2006 11:44 AM   
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The incessant anti-Israeli bias of your coverage of this tragic conflict renders your reporting worse than useless; it makes it suspect in all particulars.

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Alternet coverage is crap!
Posted by: Lenny L on Jul 15, 2006 12:04 PM   
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The absurd one sided simplicity of this article like the rest of alternet's recent israel coverage is in the odd claim:

"if indeed Syria gave the green light for Hezbollah to cross the UN line in southern Lebanon and launch their attack on Israeli soldiers where they detained two soldiers and killed another eight, they have effectively handed the Israeli war planners an excuse for all out war against Lebanon."

So Israel has been planning all out war on Lebanon now? For what purpose? Territory? Just the Jewish desire to inflict murder and mayhem on Muslims?

Israel has nothing to gain from war with Lebanon. They just need to stop Hezbollah which admits it has been planning these attacks and more for some time. They've stockpiled 10,000 rockets!
The reason Israel invaded Lebanon previously was to stop the PLO from doing the same thing.

The writer admits the provocation came from Hezbollah and Syria (left out Iran which clearly has alot to gain from this) and then dismisses that saying it enabled the giant Israeli war plans.

This coverage is just plain crap and I'm sick of it.

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Exremism, Jewish and Arab - Not Religion - Is the Problem
Posted by: eyeman on Jul 15, 2006 12:37 PM   
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Sausage is partially right. But it is not religion that is at fault. It is the abuse of religion by politicians. Jewish extremists established Israel by force and displaced millions of Palestinians. If they could, they would take Lebanon too. Muslim Extremists want to kill or kick them out of Palestine.

Scriptures of Islam and Judaism justifiably call on people to defend themselves, their homes and children, by armed resistance when needed. Both sides’ actions are a disgrace to their faiths.

Christians may have found it ok to enslave, colonize and massacre people for centuries, even today’s actions in Iraq find their strongest support among American Christians.

The Gandhi Model is excellent, but it works within limits and under certain conditions. France left Algeria only after more than a million Algerian died. Millions of slaves died before Dr. King was successful. Civil right victory was not really totally peaceful. It just that the one side who did not get mudered called it peacefull. I would not call this without violence .

Does anybody think if the Arabs put down their arms, Israel will give the right of return to Palestineans, leave Golan heights’ and share Jerusalem with the other two faiths.

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Arab countries hold the key to Peace
Posted by: zelosfsu81 on Jul 15, 2006 1:55 PM   
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what all this nonsense boils down to is a very simple concept. Does Israel have the right to exist? The reason that there is killing in the ME is because there is overwhelming support from Arab countries in favor of those groups who advocate the destruction of Israel. Lets not kid ourselves folks- this has very little to do with boarder disputes. Look at a map. Israel is the size of Rhode Island. It's tiny. If groups like Hamas and Hebollah and nut bags like the prez of Iran did not advocate the destruction of Israel there would be peace.

Do you folks really believe that the arab countries want for the Palestinians to have peace? Clearly this is not the case. People like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad need a sore thumb to point to - such as the Palestinian Issue - to gain support for the larger objective - the destructio of Israel. Lets say for example the was peace in Palestince. muslims extremists could no longer say "look how they treat the palestinians!". This would be devastating for them. You can't gain world/regional support to destroy a country that is at peace with its neighbors. The Egyption billionare Yassar arafat new this best. He would never accept peace. He couldnt, he was paid to deny the palestinians peace. Where do you think his $$ came from. It came from the other muslim countries. It was not given to him for the benefit of his people - if you can call them that. They never saw a penny of his billions! He was more interested in sleeping with blond european women.

It is not Israel, US, or Europe who hold the keys to the kingdom of peace in the ME. It is those extremists who will not rest untill israel is wiped from the face of the Map who hold the future hostate. Many alternet bloggers seem to think israel is a maniacal bloodthirsty country eager to sew the seeds of destruction throughout the ME - to torture and kill the poor muslim people. This is an absurd concept. They would have nothing to gain from such behavior. Israel only wants to be safe within its tiny little country - surrounded by a sea of enemies this is not easy. People say look at all the trouble isreal causes the people of the middle east. look and see were the "trouble actually is. It is not in Iran, it is not i Iraq, it is not in Saudi Arabia, it is not in Yemen, it is not in UAW, Pakistan, Oman, Kuwait, Qatar. It is along its immediate borders from which rocket are launched into their country, from land where people who wish to kill and kidnap israelis organize and launch attacks. Again, look at a map people. israel is miniscule.
Until the the existance of Israel is accepted peace can never be.

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Noam Chomsky says the Israeli's started this
Posted by: para-dice on Jul 15, 2006 4:17 PM   
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The West's media is marching lock-step witha version of the news that once again features an uncritical, indeed racist viewpoint. To wit, I found this "not-news" item a very interesting ommission on the charcter of quality journalism:

Noam Chomsky - MIT Linguistics Professor and the world's foremost social critic writes:
"Gaza, itself, the latest phase, began on June 24. It was when Israel abducted two Gaza civilians, a doctor and his brother. We don't know their names. You don't know the names of victims. They were taken to Israel, presumably, and nobody knows their fate. The next day, something happened, which we do know about, a lot. Militants in Gaza, probably Islamic Jihad, abducted an Israeli soldier across the border. That's Corporal Gilad Shalit. And that's well known; first abduction is not. Then followed the escalation of Israeli attacks on Gaza, which I don't have to repeat. It's reported on adequately. "

NOAM CHOMSKY ARTICLE

My question is this:
Why has the media failed to report this?

Secondly:
Why is the media consistently racist and who is responsible for this?

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Back to basics
Posted by: srqwolf on Jul 15, 2006 4:19 PM   
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Of all the apologetics for Israel that one hears from Americans (and, of course, Israelis), possibly the most ridiculous is the refrain about Israel’s ‘right to exist’. This mantra has become the all-purpose retort of Likudniks, and their American fellow travelers to any and all questions regarding Palestine, or Israel’s relationship with any of its immediate neighbours.

Of course, the reason that it’s ridiculous is that it is, for all practical purposes, irrelevant to the situation on the ground. Israel, thanks to the combination of the imperial hubris, domestic political corruption and racial / cultural chauvinism of the Americans, has among the best equipped military forces in the world. The political, economic, military, and diplomatic resources of what would, in the absence of American sponsorship, otherwise be a ratbag little third-rate country, is formidable compared to even the largest of its potential rivals in the region. This, of course, is to say nothing of the pitifully weak and vulnerable Palestinians, who, tragically, have almost nothing but their own children as suicide bombers to offer in reply to Israeli violence.. In short – there is no, repeat no credible threat to Israel’s ‘right to exist’. This is simply a red-herring. And sophisticated Israelis, when they’re being honest with themselves – or in moments of unguarded candor – will admit as much.

The only reason that this rhetorical devise is so effective in American political discourse, I would venture, is because of its subtextual relationship to the trope of Israel as the last refuge of the Jewish diaspora in a world supposedly seething with murderous anti-Semitism. In other words, it works because of the discourse of the holocaust.

Parenthetically, I’ve always found this particular form of political piety among Americans to be a bit baffling. Here’s one of the few western countries with no serious history of anti-Semitism, and certainly no direct experience of the horrors of the Nazi’s racial crimes, but it is absolutely obsessed with the holocaust – indeed, it’s a minor industry in the US. When I was teaching undergraduates at a large American university a few years back, I was amazed to find that virtually the only thing that most of them reliably knew about the events of the 1930s and 40s in Europe, had to with pre-figuring the holocaust.

Now, of course, nobody but an absolute nutter or fascist cretin would deny the reality or the monstrousness of the Nazi genocide of the 1940s. But, recognition of that reality does not mean that the descendants of the victims of those shameful crimes should get a pass, in perpetuity, for the brutal dispossession and oppression of a weaker people. If the slogan “never again” is to have any genuine meaning, then it must mean more than simply “never again will Germans kill Jews in Europe, in the 1940s.” The centrality of the fact of that history of Palestinian dispossession and oppression – regardless of how the right-wing zionists try to parse it, through blame-shifting, ad hominem attacks, or censoring and revising the historical record – is where attention must be brought back if there is to be the beginning of a discussion that can lead to a just settlement. Anything less is a self-serving, and hypocritical delusion.

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reflection
Posted by: doctorsquared on Jul 15, 2006 5:12 PM   
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When I was about six, I remember asking my mom something like, wait, they worship the same god, and they're still fighting all the time?

You'll understand when you're older, she said.

Well I'm quite a bit older now and I still don't get it. The situation is so frustrating that I have a hard time even paying attention to it anymore, as I feel powerless to change it.

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JESUS WAS JEWISH... LISTEN TO HIM DAMNIT
Posted by: xbj on Jul 15, 2006 5:55 PM   
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There's only ONE way this stupid war is going to stop... when one side REALLY stops fighting. And that means GIVING UP. Walking away. Not fighting when the other side kicks them. LEAVING. FOREVER. Selling out and moving AWAY. Then and only then will you have peace. One side is going to have to give the other WHAT IT WANTS. Or else. Rip each other to shreds. See if the world gives a damn.

Now who is going to be the bigger man? Who are going to be the more noble people? Who is going to step up first and going to lay down their arms and quit fighting over a worthless chunk of land? Worthless because you've made it so drenching it with each others' blood. No place that hellish is worth fighting over.

There is a no more stupid thing to fight endless war about then "who was here FIRST" and "who did G-d give the land to and when". If the people in Hong Kong and in India can live in peace with each other with their absurd horrific population densities, SURELY on this ENTIRE PLANET one side can surely find a BETTER PLACE TO LIVE THAN PALESTINE. ANY PLACE.

Something that apparently American Jews and American Arabs ALREADY KNOW. You don't see any of them moving back to the Hellhole you've made of Palestine. Ok, sure a few; there's always a few in any group THAT ARE COMPLETELY OUT OF THEIR MINDS.

Morons. BOTH sides deserve to wipe EACH OTHER off the face of the earth. Keep going and it will happen, BROTHERS. Your father was Abraham. He must be berating G-d daily for the utter stupidity and folly of his children:

"G-d, you gave me more children than the stars in the sky, and they won't stop killing each other like animals. Where were you when they were handing out the brains? What did I do to deserve such horrible incorrigible children? Why won't they listen to Jesus? Now that one, He had the answer!"

You miserable brats should ALL be ashamed. All the toys in this house, all the wonderful rooms, and you have to fight over the same toys in the same room, over and over and over again. There will NEVER be any Peace in this house!!!

Keep it up. Just keep it up. Your Father's liable to adopt you out INTO TWO SEPARATE FAMILIES ON THE OPPOSITE SIDES OF THE WORLD. How would you feel then? NO ONE would get THAT room, and THOSE toys, ever again. Is THAT what you want? If you can't have it, then no one can?

Well then just do the world a favor AND GO NUKE YOURSELVES. TODAY. PLEASE.

TWO WORDS:

GROW UP.

And to those smart investors and politcians making money off my childrens' fighting; No, I haven't overlooked you, not at all. Jesus has a very special place made up just for you, and you're going to be spending a lot of time there; you could say, INDEFINITELY. I would suggest summer clothing, and no rubber or plastic soled shoes. Yes, it's going to be hot. Very, very hot.

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Rational action is a better prescrition.....
Posted by: peridot on Jul 15, 2006 10:55 PM   
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than pleading with your imaginary best friend to whack those you disapprove of.

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The effects of war
Posted by: nbrown on Jul 16, 2006 2:24 AM   
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One of my professors grew up in Lebanon during the civil war.

One day, a military student made a comment about how awesome warfare is.

The professor then told us a story about him growing up in war-torn Lebanon. It was so bad, so terrible, that I almost cried in class just hearing it.

I would never wish war on human beings.

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Here's what I want to know
Posted by: Elmowilcox on Jul 16, 2006 9:25 AM   
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What kind of soldier is caught off guard and kidnapped, especially in Israel where they should be wary of this type of thing?
Here's a theory, this is going to be Israel's "9/11", their carte blanche to freely and openly attack everyone they've had in their crosshairs for the last decade or five.
Personally, I'm worried. World war seems likely in this. Too many different countries with too many different allies for this to not spill over into a long-winded conflict over nothing but fucking religion and greed. These two seperate wars will inevitably combine into a much larger and coordinated conflict.
Any of you crazies out there that think we were fabricated out of some supernatural being's leftover kneeskin still think your religion is worth all this? In your delusional attempts to get to some kind of Roman orgy afterlife, you will all ruin the true utopia that YOU ALREADY LIVE IN. All because you think the brown people are crazy and their Allah doesn't exist, but your God and his supersidekicksavior Jesus do, right? After the Muslims will it be the Buddhists, Hindus? You'll have a much harder time making them out to look like terrorists, you know, them being zen and peaceful and all. But I'm sure they'll find a way.

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The Chicken and Egg
Posted by: Joe Ox on Jul 16, 2006 4:00 PM   
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I won't fall into the trap of "Israel shouldn't bomb civilians to sort out international disputes", it is a diversion, and as stated, a valid point. But where was the outrage here on these boards a few weeks back, before the Israelis fired off anything and the missiles were flying out of Gaza into CIVILIAN HOMES in Israel? Well? Hello????
After how many days of no shots fired do you call it a cease fire? So assuming we had gone 3 months and no violence, as it occurs EVERYTIME a bomb goes off in Tel Aviv killing CIVILIANS, a missle id fired out of Gaza killing CIVILIANS, the "international community" comes rushing to help the Jews. In fact I am amazed the Arabs are not terrified to attack again after Kofi told them a couple of times he condemns them in the strongest possible terms...oh Im sorry he said that about the Jews. The Jews sit there and take bomb after bomb, missile after missile, and finally, when enough is enough they strike back, and then you folks here decide there is a problem.
Its one of the greatest conundrums in our political time how American progressives will contort their intellects to support people who represent the singlr most intolerant and oppressive lifestyle in existence in the world today. Yet never do I see progressives complaining about sharia law, how women are treated, how non-Muslims are treated, and all of it is absolutely the antithesis of progressive.
Why is that?

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UNSC also responsible
Posted by: yellow on Jul 16, 2006 11:23 PM   
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Why doesn't the UN Security Council get off its dead ass and enforce UNSC resolution 1559 for a stable and unencumbered Lebanon whereby ALL the factions are disarmed including Hezbollah. This would go a long way in stabilizing the entire region and bringing peace to the border areas of all the Levantine States!

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Article from www.theage.com.aul
Posted by: Aussie Kim on Jul 17, 2006 12:46 AM   
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Lebanon pays a terrible price in lives, losses
Ed O'Loughlin, Beirut
July 17, 2006

LEBANON has no air defences to speak of, no fighter planes or long-range surface-to-air missiles, so the Israeli Air Force can carve it up at its leisure.

The bombs always come without warning — 500 kilograms, 1000 kilograms, — by day and night, ripping through buildings and road junctions, through offices, homes and refugee convoys. Only afterwards do the survivors hear the whisper of the jets, high above the reach of ground fire, invisible in the summer haze.

At night you can see the fighter-bombers: so confident are the pilots of their immunity that they pass over Beirut with their navigation lights on.

The Israeli Government's bag from the first four days of "Operation Just Desserts" was impressive: two or three known members of the radical Hezbollah militia, which started the whole business with its border raid last Wednesday, a bunch of Hezbollah offices and homes and more than 100 innocent men, women and children.

This in reply for the deaths in action of 12 Israeli military personnel and four civilians, including an eight-year-old boy, killed by Hezbollah in subsequent exchanges of long-range fire.

Then yesterday morning Hezbollah struck again, killing at least eight Israelis in a missile attack on Haifa, in what it said was retaliation for attacks on Lebanese civilians and infrastructure.

Lebanon is also paying a terrible price in terms other than the common currency of innocent people dead, injured and terrorised. Beirut airport has been shut, roads and bridges bombed, the harbours blockaded and fuel depots, power plants and even petrol stations set alight.

Along cratered roads, tens of thousands of people are trying to escape what until five days ago was a fragile but hopeful country, still seeking a way back from a civil war that ended 15 years ago.

In the worst incident so far 20 people, 15 of them children, were killed when an Israeli missile targeted their fleeing convoy. Israeli loudspeakers had flushed them out of their border village, Marwaheen, telling them to flee before it was attacked. The Israeli Defence Force says it is investigating.

The attack that took place in Beirut at 6.30pm on Saturday was far less bloody, but brutally symbolic. Two Israeli helicopters circled slowly, high out over the Bay of Beirut — where a helicopter would be mere missile-fodder, in a real war — and dispatched rockets at the civilian harbours in Jounieh and Beirut. Their last two missiles singled out the lighthouse at the end of Beirut's world-famous corniche.

The onslaught launched by Israel against Lebanon last Wednesday has achieved something thought impossible: it has taken the life out of Beirut.

By day only a trickle of cars pass through the normally teeming streets. In the Muslim west and Christian east, businesses are closed and those families who have not fled, still the majority, stay close to home.

"Beirut has never been like this before," said Leena Saidi, a Lebanese journalist. "Even during the civil war the shops and restaurants stayed open most of the time. They didn't shut down when (former prime minister Rafiq) Hariri was killed last year.

"People are saying, 'What's the point of opening?' It's not that they are frightened so much as they are depressed."

The area worst affected is Dahiya, a southern Beirut suburb and Hezbollah stronghold.

On Thursday, Israel dropped leaflets telling its people to flee. Bombs swiftly followed.

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Lebanon and Hezbollah DO NOT mean the same thing.
Posted by: paintthestreets on Jul 19, 2006 10:58 AM   
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Hello all,

This comment is a response to the notion that Hezbollah and Lebanon are the same entity.

1. Yes, Hezbollah has members in the Lebanese government. TWO, as the matter of fact: not enough to be overwhelming, but enough to be a presence.
2. When Hezbollah captured the Israeli soldier a few weeks back, most Lebanese condemned these attacks.
3. Hezbollah militia, and NOT the Lebanese army, has control over southern Lebanon.

True, the Lebanese government has an enemy in their midst, but have not been at all successful at stopping it, I daresay have not even tried it -- for whatever reason. However, the Lebanese PEOPLE don't agree with Hezbollah doctrine -- by the way, Lebanon is a mixture of both Christian and Moslems -- it seems I am stating the obvious, which, is very true. However, it isn't obvious to all.

Currently, Israel's campaign has killed more Lebanese CIVILIANS than MILITANTS. They have killed virtually 300 people; Hezbollah, and NOT the Lebanese people or government, are the ones committing the atrocities. Why should the Lebanese population have to pay for these atrocities?

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Things will never be the same again
Posted by: shyguy709 on Jul 19, 2006 2:31 PM   
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please let us educate the children not to dwell in the mistakes of our fathers...
Now I can understand that indeed human beings live to die. The face of war is no more who is good as oppose to who is bad, but WHO WILL LIVE as oppose to WHO WILL DIE.
Children of today are no more hopes of tomorrow but the spoils of war and conflicts. What shall be engraved in their memories? Why should they be born, while mankind lives in Amnesia? what do they know and what will they know? I know...that the boy next door is your enemy, that he killed ur father and your family and destroyed ur country...yes that is what they shall live to know, and so the annihilation continues...

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What if Israel did not Exist
Posted by: shyguy709 on Jul 19, 2006 2:47 PM   
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1. The Garden of Eden was in Iraq.

2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq, was the cradle of civilization!

3. Noah built the ark in Iraq.


4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq

5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq!

6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq!

7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq.

8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq.

9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten tribes of Israel.

10. Amos cried out in Iraq!

11. Babylon, which is in Iraq, destroyed Jerusalem.

12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq!

13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq (Jesus had been in Iraq also as the fourth person in the Fiery furnace!)

14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the "writing on the wall" in Iraq.
15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq.

16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq.

17. The wise men were from Iraq

18. Peter preached in Iraq.

19. The "Empire of Man" described in Revelation is called Babylon, which was a city in Iraq!

And you have probably seen this one. Israel is the nation most often mentioned in the Bible. But do you know which nation is second? It is Iraq! However, that is not the name that is used in the Bible The names used in the Bible are Babylon, Land of Shinar, and Mesopotamia . The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, more exactly between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. The name Iraq, means country with deep roots.

Indeed Iraq is a country with deep roots and is a very significant country in the Bible.


No other nation, except Israel, has more history and prophecy associated it than Iraq.

And also, This is something to think about! Since America is typically represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages...

The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible)

Koran (9:11< /SPAN> ) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace.

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Understanding the meaning of silence
Posted by: YM on Jul 20, 2006 12:01 AM   
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Israel continued its relentless atrocity campaign against Lebanon and Palestine today. The Zionist state murdered more than 300 Arab civilians and demolished much of the infrastructure in various towns and cities. Rather than voice great outrage against America for endorsing Israel’s genocidal assault in the Middle East, the reaction across Arab capitals has been painfully muted. The meaning and implications of such silence deserves further discussion.

Lebanon:

Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora has appropriately condemned Israel’s barbaric atrocity campaign against his country and people. However, he has said virtually nothing about America’s role in helping to prolong Lebanon’s suffering. The current silence vis-à-vis America of Fouad Siniora and others in Beirut exposes an egregious level of hypocrisy.

Little more than a year ago, the pro-US, anti-Syrian camp, per America’s calling, apparently decided to convict Syria of a killing for which Syrian involvement has never - even to this day - been proven. The pro-US, anti-Syrian camp in Lebanon decided to seize the ship of opportunism that America fielded its way and, in the process, chose to demolish the consensus of the Al Ta’if Accord intended to end the decades-old Lebanese Civil War.

Even while Israel was just beginning its atrocity campaign in Gaza several weeks ago, Washington’s anti-Syrian allies in Beirut proved that Israel is not alone in its desire to oppress and finish off its Palestinian population. As Israel’s murderous arm descended on Gaza, the Lebanese government continued debating ways to intensify the appalling oppression, misery and marginalization of its own Palestinian community. Such debates have only served to heighten the vulnerability of Lebanon’s Palestinians to the savage, barbaric anti-Muslim forces that exacted unforgivable atrocities on Palestinians in the past.

Nobody should ask the Lebanese people to suffer for others. But it is also wrong and unfair for Lebanese to jump on a ship of opportunism built on lies and false accusations and belonging to an enemy that is bent on destroying and slaughtering the Arab people. And it is shameful to watch Lebanon debate ways to make Palestinians’ lives more miserable while Israel wreaks genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.

Elsewhere in the Middle East:

The Arab leaders in capitals such as Riyadh, Amman, Cairo, and the US-occupied Green Zone in Baghdad appear to represent a fifth column for America’s Zionist-Crusader efforts to exterminate the Arab and Muslim peoples. These “leaders” have uttered virtually no criticism against America for supporting Israel’s atrocities. Actions that could have be taken to send a clear, decisive and unequivocal message of outrage to America regarding her abhorrent crimes include cutting off diplomatic relations with America and halting trade and economic relations, including oil sales. Instead, Arab leaders as usual have chosen the option of silence, offering Israel and America a virtual green light to continue slaughtering Arabs with impunity.

The self-proclaimed leader of the world’s Shi’a Muslims in Najaf is also noticeably quit these days. As Israel annihilates the Shi’a population of southern Lebanon, Ayatollah Sistani is nowhere to be found. Isn’t he supposed to be representing these people and speaking out about their suffering? Why is Sistani remaining silent about the joint US-Israeli annihilation campaign against the Shi’a Muslims in southern Lebanon and about the barbaric US invader-occupiers who are committing mass atrocities in Iraq?

The silence that permeates Arab capitals is painful and deafening. Over the long term, such silence will also undoubtedly have devastating repercussions for Lebanon’s future.

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Collective Punishment
Posted by: mango2002 on Jul 20, 2006 8:48 AM   
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The bombing of Lebanon is collective punishment. As a citizenship of the Republic of Ireland, I sometimes wonder what sort of tragedy would have unfolded had the British responded during the Northern Ireland troubles to Provisional IRA bombing in England with airstrikes on Dublin or Cork. Our govt had absolutely no truck with that sort of thing, but it could have happened in theory. Which is why I can't really support the scale of Israel's campaign. I'm not saying they should roll over and let Hezbollah bomb them. I am with them if they just target Hezbollah sites but instead they seem to be Dresdenising the place and turning it into a car park. Which I can't support. I can just imagine Osama using this in his propaganda videos to portray Arabs as victims leading to thousands more recruits. Congrats Israel.

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