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Female Soldiers Treated 'Lower Than Dirt'

By Rose Aguilar, AlterNet. Posted July 14, 2006.


The case of Suzanne Swift reveals that women deployed in the Middle East are facing rape, abuse and sexual harassment -- from their own comrades-in-arms.

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U.S. Army Specialist Suzanne Swift will spend her 22nd birthday tomorrow confined to the Fort Lewis base in Washington, where she is awaiting the outcome of an investigation into allegations that she was sexually harassed and assaulted by three sergeants in Iraq.

Swift says the sergeants propositioned her for sex shortly after arriving for her first tour of duty in February 2004. She remained in Iraq until February 2005. "When you are over there, you are lower than dirt; you are expendable as a soldier in general, and as a woman, it's worse," said Swift in a recent interview with the Guardian.

When Swift's unit redeployed to Iraq in January 2006, she refused to go and instead stayed with her mother in Eugene, Ore. She was eventually listed as AWOL, arrested at her mother's home on June 11, sent to county jail and transferred to Fort Lewis.

"She's miserable and isolated," says Sara Rich, Swift's mother. "It's not good to have an idle mind while you're dealing with PTSD and sexual trauma. I want them to release her so I can get her the care she needs. I'm tired of waiting."

A colonel outside of Swift's chain of command is investigating the case, but Rich says she has been given little information with no time frame. "I believe they're trying to break her down using fear and intimidation."

Midnight phone calls

While Swift's case has gotten a fair amount of national and international attention, the overall issue of sexual assault committed by military personnel in the Middle East has been largely ignored.

"Regrettably, Suzanne Swift is not the first," says Anita Sanchez, communications director of the Miles Foundation, a nonprofit organization that provides services to victims of military violence. "There have been several young women who have been declared AWOL for seeking treatment due to sexual assault, but most of them are too scared to speak out."

Since the fall of 2003, the Miles Foundation has documented 518 cases of sexual assault on women who have served or are serving in Middle Eastern countries, including Iraq, Afghanistan, Bahrain and Qatar. The foundation has counselors on staff around the clock and often receives midnight phone calls from service members or their family members. After counselors and attorneys help the women access medical care and explain the reporting process, they try to transport them to a safe place for care and treatment.

"Because they're in a combat situation, we've had to develop protocols. We can't just send a chopper in there for them. We have to get their permission to contact military authorities to get them moved," says Sanchez. "If you were at Fort Drum, we wouldn't have to tell anybody, but if we need to move you out of Baghdad or Kuwait, then we have to get your permission to contact the military and say, 'We need to move Joanna Jones because this has transpired.'"

Sanchez says a counselor recently received a call in the middle of the night from a young woman who was raped in the Green Zone in Baghdad. "She said, 'I was raped, and I've only got 10 minutes on my phone card. What do I do?'" The woman was helicoptered out of the Green Zone, sent to Kuwait and then Germany, and eventually returned to the United States.

Another recent case involved a young American woman who was raped by a coalition partner in a rural area. Sanchez says it took two weeks to get to a one-room medical facility in Kabul. "They had no facilities to do a rape testing, so they couldn't test for pregnancy or HIV. An American doctor literally handed her high-dose antibiotics and told her, 'This will kill anything you've come in contact with.'" The young woman is now recovering in the states.

Sanchez says another woman was told she would receive the morning-after pill a few days after she was raped, but received birth control pills instead.

No official documentation

While these cases aren't officially documented with the government, the Department of Veterans Affairs and the Department of Defense both conduct general studies of sexual assault, but the findings can be difficult to obtain.

Last year, Rep. Lane Evans, D-Ill., the ranking Democratic Member of the House Veterans' Affairs Committee, criticized the Bush administration for failing to release a Veterans Affairs study on military sexual trauma among the National Guard and Reserve. It found sexual harassment, sexual assault and rape is 60 percent among females and 27 percent among males. The estimated prevalence for rape among females is 11 percent and 1.2 percent among males.

The report, which was originally due by March 2001, was released last September. In a statement, Evans said, "The women and men who have suffered military sexual trauma deserve our respect, compassion and commitment to provide them with ready access to counseling and treatment. I am releasing the report, which I have obtained through other sources, to shine a light on a serious problem that the White House wants to hide in the shadows."


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Rose Aguilar is a San Francisco-based journalist who is writing a book about her road trip through the "red states."

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War is the big problem
Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 14, 2006 2:24 AM   
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I served in the armed forces alongside many women. In peacetime, sexual relations were akin to what goes on in any high school: lots of flurting, hanging out with each other at base discos, all pretty normal stuff.

When I have served overseas in stressful situations, then human behaviour changes markedly. As the stress and danger levels rise, people become more horny. Female colleagues start to become clandestine affairs: everyone is seeking quick solace and the warmth of human contact.

War itself makes men very agressive physically and sexually. I think it is this that is putting female soldiers at risk. Unfortunately, much of this was argued by experienced soldiers prior to the mixing of the sexes in units, but it was dismissed as sexism. I don't think it was sexism: it was an honest account of how the behaviour of young men in a war environment, despite the best checks and balances of the military hierarchy, are still difficult to control. Think about it: horny guys with guns, horny guys, who after having a few friends killed and maimed, don't care a toss about the military hierarchy or what feminists think. It is that brutal on the frontlines.

The alternative? All female combat units? I would be interested to see how that would work, if it would. All female combat units deployed in muslim countries? Watch the sparks fly.

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What kind of Christians run an army or rapists? It's 2006, one would hope we advanced a little
Posted by: deo508 on Jul 14, 2006 4:10 AM   
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General Boykin, Rumsfeld, Bush? It's purely evil what is happening in our military.
we are more and more like some Nazi-Soviet dictatroship The sacry thing is if this war end these raping marauding soldiers have to come home and how the hell can we trust a single one of them? The good ones unfortunately will get lumped in with the bad.

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Don't sign up
Posted by: rsaxto on Jul 14, 2006 4:27 AM   
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An American woman these days who signs up for the USA military has got to be really ignorant or really brainwashed or really dumb and possibly all three. Don't sign up to be a victim of humiliation, injury or death. Don't validate the Bushie war criminals. Don't become a war criminal yourself. Don't validate election stealers. Don't validate greedy oil stealers. Don't go to Iraq. Don't obey the orders of pricks.

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» EXACTLY Posted by: sirossisofliver
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» RE: Don't sign up Posted by: cottontail
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» RE: Don't sign up Posted by: Pickles78
» RE: Don't sign up Posted by: churchofone
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how about disciple?
Posted by: Samantha Vimes on Jul 14, 2006 5:39 AM   
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I am sick of seeing rape apologists write that men can't help themselves but rape what with all the stress and there being women nearby.

Men seeking sex know what to do. Chat her up, and if she isn't interested move on to the next one. Stress can make women horny, too, and so it's just a matter of trying.

Men seeking to dominate, to hurt, to supress their own feelings of powerlessness, or to insult others: those are the ones who rape. Like raping that Iraqi teenager-- she wasn't lounging around sunbathing in a bikini, I'm sure.

The soldiers who accept their female colleagues as real troops aren't going to rape them. You're supposed to watch out for your buddies, and they watch out for you. No, the rapists are men who have always believed only men belong in the military, and they are trying to force women out through a campaign of harrassment and intimidation.

The rapists are surely more likely to be the ones who will commit atrocities and bring down America in the eyes of the world.

So stop defending them! We need the RAPISTS to be dishonorably discharged and in prison. Because you can be sure when they come home, your daughters aren't going to be safe.

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» lynch mentality Posted by: Burton
Suzanne Smith Movement and Petition
Posted by: BRUCE COMBS on Jul 14, 2006 7:06 AM   
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See this vital well researched and up-to-date site.
Sign petition, ANONYMOUSLY if you choose:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/441448013

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RE: Time for Dick Management
Posted by: Pickles78 on Jul 14, 2006 7:51 AM   
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???? Wha...??

What are you talking about? You want DICK management...try a little self control, or how about simply adherence to the law. Or maybe upholding ethical standards. The last thing the military needs is to invest in yet another sorry ass civilian entity in a half-assed attempt to fix internal problems its too damn lazy with to deal with. DICK management...who thinks of this crap?


Tommy Pickles

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RE: Time for Dick Management
Posted by: Malamute on Jul 14, 2006 8:41 AM   
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The Dick management we need is Dick Cheney management, get the entire Cheney/Bush cabal out of government. Start down the long road of healing this nation, and the world.

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» RE: Time for Dick Management Posted by: ArtemInox
jennherne
Posted by: jennherne on Jul 14, 2006 10:14 AM   
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Poor men. They have this dick that controls them so they rape. Right? OK, how about; you rape, you get it whacked off and I mean OFF of your body!

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» RIGHT ON! POWER TO THE SISTERS! Posted by: Blue Heron
Oh, so this comes as some big surprise to everyone?
Posted by: Blue Heron on Jul 14, 2006 10:32 AM   
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I thought soldiers signed up specifically so they could have their little rape fest. Both their colleagues and Iraqi women are therefore fair game. Personally, I would never sacrfice my life for a country that still does not give women equal pay - yes, I'm talking about the Retarded States of Dumberica. So what, I'm going to not only risk my life for Unlce Sam, but have his creepy brothers assault me? I don't think so.

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This is only vaguely connected...
Posted by: Orwells_nightmare on Jul 14, 2006 10:47 AM   
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...and may actually be just an urban myth, but I've heard stories of nightclubs and bars that are notorious sites of date-rape getting 'tagged' with coded graffiti as warnings/shamings, for example, a barbed-wire spike to indicate a place where women (or even men, in some cases) have had their drinks 'spiked' with stuff like Rohypnol or GHB. I have absolutely no verifiable sources, but personally, I think it's a good idea. Anyone else heard of this?

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» more panic... Posted by: Burton
National Day of Action, Yay!
Posted by: eastcoker on Jul 14, 2006 10:52 AM   
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Good. It's about time we start protesting this hell. What happened to the Armed Forces? They used to be decent. They have *totally* degraded. Yuck. Interesting point:
""It's not good to have an idle mind while you're dealing with PTSD and sexual trauma."
Ain't that the truth. PTSD requires medication, you know that? PTSD is intrusive thoughts and traumatic memories. I *can't imagine* what this poor girl is going through.
Did you know that women can be chaplain's assistants and carry a gun to protect a priest and yet not be a chaplain?!
We need women chaplain in the Armies, strong women who won't break down, overseas, to deal with this stuff. We need women commanders! And women in the Pentagon! Let's see a story on women commanders and Pentagon officers, please. Thank you.

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Bush Rapist
Posted by: vkobaya on Jul 14, 2006 11:05 AM   
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Okay! Just added rape to the list of Bush war crimes.

It didn't have to happen. If Bush had not started this criminal war, our women soldiers wouldn't be subject to these crimes just as our death toll for American soldiers murdered by Bush wouldn't be 2,550 nor would there be a couple hundred thousand dead Iraqi civilians. He also wouldn't have had the chance to embezzle hundreds of billions that were allocated to the war.

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Women Don't Have to Join
Posted by: the islander on Jul 14, 2006 11:41 AM   
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Women, take note. You don't have to join.

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» Hard to have it both ways ladies Posted by: DavidByron
» Are you talking to me? Posted by: eastcoker
» You are forgiven. Posted by: eastcoker
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Simple Fix: Disarm rapists
Posted by: Crazy H on Jul 14, 2006 11:54 AM   
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Publicly, slowly, and without benefit of anasthetic.

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» Why is rape so bad? Posted by: DavidByron
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Sick
Posted by: ilikearundhati on Jul 14, 2006 12:02 PM   
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I see they're not just victimizing the Iraqi girls (and boys in some cases) anymore. Support the good troops. To hell with the filth, even if they're wearing US uniforms.

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war is horrible
Posted by: mraaa on Jul 14, 2006 1:28 PM   
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Its sad to hear about all the rapes going on in Iraq; but the reality is -war tself is horrible ,its sad. Everywhere there is war, rape will always take place. Once humans in uniform start killing, something changes in you.Even if you kill for ideological reasons- like politics- you still killed another human being. Some of those soldiers are very young , the only violence they see is on tv, then suddenly they find themselves face to face with the most horrific scenes. Thing is, war shouldnt be used to justify a soldier raping a comrade, maybe its time we have separate sex units/ but then that wont sell. I dont know what i would do if i was a commander- obviously there will always be sexual tension btw the sexes in the military during times of war or not- I think as a commander I would just obey what the "experts" say and hope that the sexual tensions disappear

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Keep your god-damned apologies to yourself!
Posted by: pianojo on Jul 14, 2006 3:17 PM   
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Sniffle...sniffle...sniffle...Oh, poor little male soldiers, can't keep their penises under control. Sob. Sob.

Gee, it's tough, isn't it. You're going to war and you think it's going to be a picnic. And then you get there and find out it is anything BUT a picnic and then you use this as an excuse to rape and murder women.

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Today's military led by Ted Bundy's and Charlie Mansons
Posted by: deo508 on Jul 14, 2006 3:46 PM   
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Gotta love those Christian values.

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Chaplain's Assistant and Stripper
Posted by: eastcoker on Jul 14, 2006 4:55 PM   
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I would do both jobs. How much would I get paid?

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Shout, "RAPE!" and get a free ticket out of Iraq
Posted by: DavidByron on Jul 14, 2006 8:46 PM   
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Bored with Iraq? Well don't worry ladies you have a free ticket home that no man can use. Just claim you were raped and you'll be on your way to Germany. Or claim you were raped last time to get you out of trouble if you refuse to re-deploy there.

Same thing happened in the first Gulf War. Huge numbers of women claiming to be raped or else getting pregnant and then being sent home because they were pregnant (and then having an abortion when they get stateside).

One airforce report on the phenomena guessed that most women claiming to be raped were fabricating the story.

Now I can just hear the feminazis now screaming about how I must be a misogynist to beleive a woman would ever tell a lie to get out of trouble. But then of course they all prefer to explain the same evidence as a man being not a liar but a rapist --- and not just a proportion of the cases but all of them.

But that's the feminist way isn't it? Disparaging some women even slightly is inexcusable. Calling all men rapists -- well that's nothing.

Actually my view is if a soldier of either sex has to lie to get out of commiting war crimes in Iraq then more power to them (as long as they don't try to frame other specific individuals for the fictitious crime that is). I don't blame most of these women one bit.

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» Wow feminists are so smart Posted by: DavidByron
military women.
Posted by: yellow on Jul 15, 2006 12:25 AM   
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It sounds to me like Lisa and Simplefear are both military women. They are perfectly correct in criticizing this David fellow whoever he is for his ignorant misogyny. But something bothers me. They seem to be very feminist, perhaps out of self-interest, but one would think also out of their personal experiences. What bothers me is that these two women don't see the forest for the trees. They criticize the left and Chomsky while embracing the military all the while failing to see that militarism, US hegemony, imperialist aggression, and rape CANNOT be separated. They are all part of the same dehumanizing ideology, set of attitudes, world view, and mode of reasoning. The mentality that believes in violence and conquest is the very same one that bullies and victimizes women. Feminism is not just the belief and practice of "standing up for women" or equal rights but an entire, systematic ideological approach to understanding politics and the world at large. War and militarized societies will ALWAYS be sexist. This is true historically. It is still true!!!

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» RE: military women. Posted by: Pickles78
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» RE: military women. Posted by: Pickles78
eoc
Posted by: eoc on Jul 15, 2006 9:12 AM   
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Let Suzanne Swift leave the military honorably; she has served her country and deserves to move on. The military has harmed her enough.

Soldiers are prepared to aggress against aggressors. War is stressful; it is going to be stressful; it cannot be anything but stressful. No amount of 'greenzone' coddling can mitigate this, nor can the presence of women in a war zone change this. The prevelance of PTSD among the returnees proves that stress makes profound changes in the psyches of those exposed to such heightened stresses. Because of this, a war zone is not the place to mix genders. Let me say this again: a war zone is not the place to mix genders.

It is the height of ignorance to expect young men and women to behave differently to stress because they or their commanders are 'enlightened'. The only thing more dangerous than ignorance is purposefully exposing women to such dangers in the name of 'equality'. Don't get me wrong. I'm a woman, accomplished and competitive, on Disabilities for severe and chronic PTSD. It's bad enough for anyone to be placed in such a stressful environment, but to mix the genders, at a policy level, harms those brave women who fall for the lie that the playing ground is level. Both ground and psyches, when stressed, are no longer level.

To all those 'Social engineers': deal with reality. The money spent training and then flying home pregnant or raped women, and then prosecuting their aggressors, is better spent on other efforts--like updating equipment and preventing psychological harm in the first place. While it is true that good and law-abiding people are everywhere, it is equally true that women and children are at increased risk of harm when embedded among a stressed population....Do enlisted women and top-brass military not get this yet?

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» good points Posted by: Burton
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A solution...
Posted by: Burton on Jul 15, 2006 10:38 AM   
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It's interesting that the Pentagon just criminalized "paying for sex." i.e., a soldier who sees a prostitute is now subject to court martial. Also forbidden are homosexuality, adultery, and oral sex (at least they were illegal when I was in the Army).

If you are going to have a culture of sexual repression, then it is going to be sublimated into other things, like abuse of civilians and sexual assaults.

A rational solution would be to legalize and regulate prostitution.

But the "moralists" out there think it perfectly legit to send people to their deaths in war, but heaven help us if anyone has sex!

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Bad apples?
Posted by: fhughes on Jul 15, 2006 12:37 PM   
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When i read the numbers in this article, and read too that few rapes are reported, I don't think it can be 'a few bad apples' as a certain cc-in-c claims.

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Locality
Posted by: YogiBear on Jul 15, 2006 5:01 PM   
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I wodner what effect the theatre of action has to do with rape? In the orient and other places, soldiers could fraternize with locals and release their sexual frustrations with prostitutes. Just the locale of muslim countries where access to female (or any non-military) companionship is barred has got to be a major factor, I would think.

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War is Heck
Posted by: godzgurl on Jul 15, 2006 6:36 PM   
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I am sorry to hear about this young woman: it is terrible what was done to her and the others. I would like to point out one thing though: the article states that the report was due out in 2001.....that would be data gleaned during the Clinton years, NOT The Bush years. (The Department of Defense’s Sexual Harassment Survey (1995), (2% overall, Bastian Lacaster, & Reyst, 1996), (Skiner, Kressin, Frayne, Tripp, lfin, Miller, & Sullivan 2000),(Wolfe, Sharkansky, Read, Dawson, Marin, & Oimette, 1998). This is taken from page 6 of the study quoted in the article....I could list more dates, but I won’t.

The fact that the info was released by a Democrat is telling in my opinion. Why didn’t they release this info during the Clinton years...they certainly had it. Clinton made it ok for women to be in those situations, he is the one who removed the lines that had been set for the safety of women, NOT Bush. Clinton was the Rapist and sexual harasser, and none of you who love him batted an eye! Clinton is the one with the low opinion of women, NOT Bush.

True, much of this is happening now....but that isn’t Bush’s fault. War is hell, as Audy Murphy said: for those of you who don’t know, he was a decorated WW2 hero. Women should not be on the front lines. It is no place for woman...and if some of you say it hinders her career, too bad. The military is a place to learn to defend our nation and fight wars. Many women as soon as it was time to ship out got themselves conveniently knocked up so they didn’t have to go. Don’t mind the money and free education, but don’t want to do what they have been hired to do. I have no problem with women in the military, I was one! BUT.....this is a big one.....women should not be on the front, unless the front comes to them.

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The Greater Issues
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jul 16, 2006 8:33 AM   
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I don't think that the numbers quoted are probably no higher than the incidence rate in the society at large. Sexual assault and other related misconduct are widespread throughout our society.

The US Army is a microcosm of the nation and society that created, commands and sustains it. What this situation reflects is more about the general attitude of men and institutions in American society than about any particular institution such as the Army.

The only part of this that is peculiar to the Army is the rigid Chain of Command and dual-track legal system under the UCMJ, which is in desperate need of reform. If this soldier's story is accurate she followed the Chain of Command and the system failed her. She is in a difficult spot and this simply shouldn't be.

The DoD is very good about preaching EO to the troops while having a poor record of holding those in authority responsible. If the Army wants to send a message that it is serious about stopping this kind of thing they should charge her leadership with Dereliction of Duty and submit them to Court Martial. Only when senior NCO's and Commissioned Officers realize that failure to protect a soldier with an EO or criminal complaint is going to cost them their career and maybe their freedom will they get the message. The same should apply to soldiers applying for CO status.

To any Soldiers, Sailors, Marines or Airmen reading this:
No means NO
Women serving in uniform should be able to live their lives and serve without a barrage of unwanted sexual attention.

To any Non-Commissioned Officers, Warrant Officers or Commissioned Officers reading this:
Along with your higher rank, privilege and authority comes a responsibility to look after the welfare and wellness of all troops under your command. If a soldier, particularly a lower enlisted grade soldier, files a complaint or criminal charge it is your RESPONSIBILITY to guard and guarantee their safety from retribution, an accurate and honest hearing of their complaint without bias or prejudice and proper access to any and all legal counsel available to them. Failure to do so is Dereliction of Duty.

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» RE: The Greater Issues Posted by: godzgurl
» RE: The Greater Issues Posted by: Pickles78
clinton and military
Posted by: yellow on Jul 16, 2006 10:54 PM   
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Clinton cannot be held personally responsible for the harassment of women during his terms in office. I'm sure that the same went on during Reagan and Bush I. If the harassment declined during the second Bush Administration than it has more to do with reforms and responses to this issue all this time in the military itself. Bush did not reduce the severity of the problem. According to Gen. Jan Karpinski, the officer formerly in charge of Abu Ghraib, the problem is now as bad as it has ever been. By the way what kind of "clean Christian morals" are shown in the disgraceful Abu Ghraib torture photos. Those photos are only the tip of the iceberg and it shows the real charactor of the Bush Administration and many of his "Christian" soldiers. There is a differance between real Christianity and the clerico-fascism of Bush and his lackeys!

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» RE: clinton and military Posted by: godzgurl
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Keep them safe
Posted by: jasontromm on Jul 17, 2006 7:53 AM   
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Don't put women in combat zones. This case highlights exactly why women don't belong anywhere near a combat zone.

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» RE: Keep them safe Posted by: Pickles78
"New" (VERY) Old information
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Jul 17, 2006 10:25 AM   
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All militaries have known this stuff since before Joshua's time:

It's a part of military training, contained in insults, comments, and especially punishments during and between 'formal' periods of training. You're called "pussy" and "stupid cunt" (and both are either insults or recreational areas, nothing else while you're in). The women of Home are enshrined as sacred and the very core of "what we're fighting for and protecting", all others are "fair game" and "the enemy", and AT THE SAME TIME the DELIBERATE ARRESTING AND FIXING OF YOUNG MALES IN ADOLESCENCE, and twisting desires and natural competitiveness and dominance iint pain giving AND seeking with a hidden piece of homosexuality (in this twisted, sexually sick Christian extremist society, this is never to be out in the open, and manifests as "just boys/buds together" butt-slapping, etc) makes sweet kids into killers. That's what it's for. Dominance games abound, and rape -- male-on-male, as with some predators, as well as male-on-female - is often seen, and interpreted as dominance gaming by officers, especially in front-line services. Increase competition or danger, like in the Top Gun school or the Elite combat units like SEALs, and this gets magnified - enough to frighten civilians like girlfriends and spouses. Sex gets rougher, tempers shorter, and violence closer to the surface.

They WANT vicious killers who will follow orders, and with the deliberate psychological twisting, they EXPECT - and get - those who step over the line. They try to correct it and keep the killer. This "training" is difficult to do working with Boy Scouts and altar boys, but they do it well - they have millennia of methods to draw on. As ill and self-contradictory as this society is to begin with, I think dropping women into the middle of it and saying "these are your comrades-in-arms" adds another contradictory twist that some people are just too damned dim to work their minds around. Also, while there are ALWAYS those in this society who bully other males and see women as sexual toys only, now the idiots are knowingly accepting groups of them to make up the numbers they've lost with their dishonesty to and abuse of the military.

Check with ANY country that hosts an American military installation: the crimes of rape, beating and murder (of the local populace) skyrocket in the vicinity of those bases - ALWAYS. It's why we have "agreements" with these places that our people are never to be tried in local courts.

This all begins in childhood. I didn't understand violence at all and was the scrawny, picked-on kid, which resulted in my lifelong martial arts training. The idea was, "Boys will be boys. Besides, he has to learn to stand up for himself." I can't count the times I heard these. As a result, I became a warrior - who is SELF-controlled - long before I joined the military, which resulted in some problems. They want soldiers, not warriors.

A military CAN be trained by other methods, but convincing them of the necessity, then trying to get them to implement those changes, has so far proved impossible. Besides, they point out that we WANT killers, not Boy Scouts, and this training does give them that. And after boot camp, it's just about too late to turn an army into cops. Those are two different mentalities.

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CONTINUATION
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Jul 17, 2006 10:36 AM   
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Understand too that this is NOT an excuse: an army that is out of control is a danger to it's own populace. It is, however, the way things are. Another cruel, unnecessary, sorry-assed tradition that dates to the beginnings of civilization, like making doctors work several days straight with whatever sleep they can snatch fifteen minutes at a time. Then, when they kill somebody, "Damn, sorry - it was an accident".

This is also a large part of the reason for the downsizing of the military IMMEDIATELY after a war: a large army without an outside enemy to fight has ALWAYS become a danger to it's own populace. I'm sure you're all aware of the difficulties of some ex-military in reassimilation into society, but that way it's a problem of individuals, not a whole army. Refusal to take the necessity of treatment of these people seriously is just one of the Bush administration's major, shameful, failures.

We need desperately to grow up as a society. The problem is how to start it. Those women getting raped are a direct result - for the most part, or at least to a large extent - of the military's conditioning and atmosphere ("You don't help the old bat across the street, you SHOOT 'er 'cause she's probably got a f***in' grenade! Help yer Goddamn' grandmother across the street when you get home, otherwise you won't GET home!"). And to the lady with the nephews, I'm sorry, but you have no idea. If they've been in combat, the conditioning has been set almost in concrete, no matter what it does to the rest of the personality. You may well not know them at all now.

Ian

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conditioned aggression comes with a price
Posted by: eoc on Jul 17, 2006 4:53 PM   
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Read killology.com for a real mind-opener about the military culture that conditions aggression. Ian, in the previous post says it well. Backing his assessment, note that by perfecting basic conditioning techniques to overcome people's inborn aversion to killing, the military has been able to increase the rate of fire (the percentage of soldiers who actually pull the trigger at the enemy) from near 20% in World War II to approximately 55% in Korea and around 95% in Vietnam. This conditioning comes at a price. (Women can kill, too; that, too, comes at a price.)

It is a given that people play out their aggresson on those they can. Unfortunately, women and children too easily fit that bill, as do small or compromised men. This is the 'Duh' factor in the whole argument about placing women in war zones.

In every group, there are the many who serve with courage and honor and the few whose psyches are undone by the training (if they weren't already that way when they came in). The military EXPECTS that; they WANT that. That is the cost of results. But the military won't tell you that. And those who champion 'gender equality' on the battlefield won't tell you that. But no matter how well a woman shoots or how brave she us under fire, she is compromised just by being in that environment.

For those women who have served or are still serving, you know what I'm talking about. The war is a different experience for you than for your male comrades. Nothing personal, but the military just doesn't issue eyes for the back of your head or a tazer for your knuckel line.

Worse, the military has a vested interest in not acknowledging the harm their training creates because, frankly, our military needs conditioned killing machines. Our soldiers are damned good. Arguably the best in the world. So the conditioning is not likely to be soft-pedeled any time soon. Yet programming effective killers, and then adding women to the mix, is a powder keg about to go off. The military, to be politically correct has to deny this, and soldier rapes (both male-female and male-male) get covered up.

Not to be left unsaid, a great many soldiers exhibit a great deal of kindness, as seen with their rebuilding efforts in the middle-east; but mixed in are conditions that make it unsafe for women and compromised men. A war-zone is no place for social engineering.

If you want to learm more about the culture of killing, read killology.com

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Reflection of social decay - why can't our society grow up?
Posted by: Be Positive on Jul 18, 2006 4:01 PM   
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Okay, I haven't researched the Israeli army, but I know that women are required to serve in that country just as the men are ... Okay. well, are they seeing problems per capita in their forces like our male/female volunteer forces are? My guess is that they are not.
The one news picture that stands out in my mind is a young male Israeli soldier with his beanie cap on, worshipping while he had a spare moment... maybe reading a torah ( I couldn't tell in the video)...but obviously his mind was not on sexually harassing one of his comrades... Okay, these people are serious soldiers who know how to kill and face not just death but the genocide of their people practically every day, yet they are praying and they are NOT having - at least not overtly - the same problems that our forces are... I'm not saying that the Israeli military is perfect, but it seems that they bravely serve in highly tense situations without having the problems of rape or sexual harassment to the degree that we do. Their fighting force is respected world wide... maybe we need to get some consultant from Israel to see how they deal with the obvious tensions involved in running mixed male/female operations...would that even work considering the background of their soldiers compared to the background of ours?
The difference is that their young soldiers have been brought up in a society that requires more accountability...their attitude is more mature.
People in Muslim countries also have more respect for their women in SOME ways -- their culture requires women to be very discreetly covered - versus - our culture in women are expected to expose themselves --but only if they fit into the hot chick or hot mom categories...and these women basically have a public sex competition going on... Rich (and that's only what matters yeah) men aren't going for brains you know.... so you better flaunt it ..is the message we get.. be sexy...act sexy 2400 hours a day 7,000,000 days a week oh yeah baby...
Which is worse being treated as a piece of meat or being covered up like a vintage car in a shop-? Personally I'd rather be behind the veil (as long as I could still play sports, drive and vote)...
What we are seeing in our military stems directly from the lousy attitudes toward women and the disrespectful attitudes embraced in our society. Our society degrades women to the status of broodmares or sex toys (like many societies) and very little in between (our leadership especially does not provide a good example of discretion and respect towards women). So why be surprised when our young men in America act like a bunch of wild apes around the ladies?
If you look at the reasons for rampant sexual harassment in the army, it starts here at home with semi- families which are living on the edge of the material-obsessed society. Perverse TV shows, drugs, tasty msg and preservative laden foods, video game obsessions and the acceptance of pre-marital sex as a norm and… lousy examples --this is the recipe for anti-social losers with no self-control.
Kids growing up with these things ...are oure future soldiers.
Although our current society's embrace of physical violence may help create more aggressive warriors, these kids are not prepped in the areas of responsibility for their own actions, let alone their reponsibility as a human being to society .
Anyhow, shouldn't technology be what gives our people the edge on the battlefield instead of brainwashing towards a violent nature?

Long Live the American Dream (use your imagination if you can’t figure out what it is).

Make military service mandatory –BUT politicians' and corporate bosses' kids on the front lines FIRST.

PB TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK!!!!

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Healing Lies in Community--not in Gender Politics
Posted by: eoc on Jul 18, 2006 10:50 PM   
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Here goes:

The difference between Israel's military and ours is community. Some military leaders know that preventing trauma among military personnel requires that the military keep communities intack--i.e. let those from mid-state Iowa train and serve with others from mid-state Iowa. But this is expensive and requires logistical foresight, and the mobile American public just isn't aware enough to push for this yet. Johnathon Shay wrote the two best books I know in this area, called "Odysseus in America: Combat Trauma and the Trials of Homecoming" and Achilles in Vietnam: Combat Trauma and the Undoing of Character". Dr. Shay provides extensive evidence, both historical and current, showing where and how psychological harm sets in.

To blame gender problems in the military on attitudes towards women in society at large is to deny the importance of community in lowering stresses and preventing psychological harm in the first place. I could go further, but the gender fire is so stoked that likely the only people willing to consider other options are those serious about preventing the harmful effect of trauma on character. In fact, our own military conducted experiments with intact-community troops, and those troops experienced far less stress and injury before, during, and after combat than the comparison plug-in troops (in which individual soldiers replaced those killed or transferred out on an as-needed basis), but the expense and logistics were not worked out yet, and too little concern was placed on soldiers' lives or quality-of-life upon return.

These days, people are so polarized about gender that matters such as health and safety get overshadowed by the name-calling. Just read the previous posts to see how rabidly entrenched some people are in their views. Even well-meaning and thoughtful people seem unaware of the vast number of studies dealing with trauma on the brain. The way the military now operates is the outcome of that void.

Truly, the harm that women such as Suzanne and numerous nameless men incur would likely not happen at all if the military heeded their own studies on trauma prevention and if the public were aware of how profoundly important community is to psychological wellbeing.

I'm glad you brought up Israel. Women can fight, but neither men nor women are safe the way America's military handles training and troop assignments, and women get the brunt of the trickle-down harm. When you cite Israel's army again, please keep in mind their commitment to community. A community-wide commitment to moral character may help, but what is crucial, as Dr. Shay's work clearly shows, is that soldiers train and serve in community.

To better understand how PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) affects social interactions, both in the military and in society, read Jonathan Shay's books, available on the web.

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All this for nothing
Posted by: ITgirl on Jul 23, 2006 6:36 PM   
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I just found out about this case that this woman Suzanne has brought up. My friends I can tell you this she was a strong woman in Iraq but I also know she isn't no angel. I know that she is a smart cookie. She was caught and so she brought up sexual harrassment that I know she must have probably did to the few men out there. The bold ones were the ones that asked her. But she has done far more than cross the line by making into a sexual harrassment case. She deserves to go to jail and with her accusations I hope she stays there when they find out about her lies. It is great to see how so many people can come together to help but to a lie its just a waste of time.

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» RE: All this for nothing Posted by: queenofswords35
Some men rape because they can
Posted by: smallrevolutions on Jul 24, 2006 7:00 AM   
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We live in a sex negative culture; a culture in which sex is equated with harm, the harm of women and the enjoyment (but spiritual downfall) of men. Thus, in such a culture the sort of sex that is practiced is harmful to woman, sex that is harmful to women is not only tolerated but also expected, referred to as "natural". Still, some men are good men who transcend this culture; they prove to us that this myth of a biological drive to rape is just that a myth, a mythological excuse with no scientific basis. Men, who rape, do so because they can, because they can get away with doing so. They can be reasonably assured that, other men will allow it, the women will not kill them at the next opportunity, in fact she is most likely not to talk, and if she does few will listen. After all, any man would do the same. WRONG. Not any man would do the same. In fact fewer men are willing have sex with someone that does not want to have sex with them, or are willing to have harmful sex than will admit it save a blind study. In other words, many men will claim to be more of an ass hole than they are in reality. What does this say about our culture?

Furthermore, habit, or nature, no matter, there is not evidence one is easier to overcome than another. Part of being human is being in control of ones self, of constructing one self.

A U.S. rape culture intersects with a culture of violence/war and racism in Iraq. Ugly. The solution!!! The end of toleration. Rapists need to be tried and severely sentenced. Rapists of fellow soldiers need to be sentenced threefold.


MCKean

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Women Can Be Chaplains
Posted by: PaktikaTL on Jul 24, 2006 10:22 PM   
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I don't know why you'd say that women can't be chaplains - they can. About the only thing they can't do is sign up for direct combat jobs (soldiers who are supposed to "close with and destroy the enemy through the use of fire and maneuver"), such as infantry and armor.

I'm overseas in a combat zone right now, and there are quite a few women on our Forward Operations Base. The majority of them don't go outside the wire very much except for occasional medical assistance visits to villages and supply convoys every now and then. Their jobs are primarily in administration, supply services, medical fields and such. The majority of them, just like the majority of the males, are professionals who take pride in their work.

Personally, I haven't seen the sexual harrassment that this line of discussion has focused on, and I've been in the military (mostly the Reserves) for close to twenty years. Admittedly, I've been in combat units the whole time so I only work occasionally with female soldiers, but I just haven't seen it. You do sometimes hear gossip about this soldier or that having an affair with another soldier, but as far as I can tell it's consensual, even though it violates theatre regulations (no alcohol, no sex, no pornography, etc.). I do know that there are well-established procedures for reporting and investigating claims of sexual harrassment, and that at the very least it's a career ender if even a minor complaint is substantiated.

So, I haven't seen it. I do know that we have to sit through sexual harrassment prevention training every year, as well as equal opportunity awareness training and consideration of others training. I think some of the other comments here make a good point when they mention that there is some cognitive dissonance involved in trying to make soldiers more sensitive to others while at the same trying to make them more effective in combat. The "killology.com" reference below (?) is in regards to Dave Grossman's research on operant (Skinnerian) conditioning of combat soldiers. And yeah, it does seem to require some desensitization. Apparently it is not achieved without some potential cost to the psyche, although his research indicated that this generally does not result in correlating anti-social behavior after soldiers leave the military.

I have to wonder whether the incidence of sexual harrassment in the military, among deployed soldiers or not, is statistically more frequent than in the general population. Maybe it's just more newsworthy?

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iblis187
Posted by: iblis187 on Aug 24, 2006 2:50 PM   
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I don't know Spc Swift. I am an Infantry Soldier and have been deployed 3 times to Afghanistan and Iraq. Most female Soldiers while deployed are about 99.9% promiscuous. Don't let them lie to you and yes oral sex does count. Men refer to women in the military while deployed as " F.O.B. Queens" "F.O.B." is a forward operating base (where most Soldiers are housed) and "Queen" is a toungue in cheek reference to the fact that irregardless of her appearance every human with female reproductive organs can "write her own ticket" so to speak. About 70% of Military personnel in theatre trully have no regular function. It is a by-product of the military machine that they occupy specialties essential to a unit but not essential to the unit's current mission. So ergo they have a lot of free time on their hands. It has been my experience *****WARNING***** that women who are used to getting their way sometimes will result to the basest of allegations in retribution for not getting their way. There are men in power in combat and combat support on far flung battlefields who believe it or not can not have their integrity plied by the promise or prospect of female companionship or even favor. Sometimes these men as stalwart as they may seem assign female Soldiers to tasks as unpleasant as burning barrels of feces. While these men brave i.e.d.s, small arms fire and an american media that increasingly twists their mission into something sinister to sell air time to beer companies, they are incredibly the most vulnerible to the most incredible thing of all, a teenage girl who can not flip her curls with this man and get her way. I am not saying that this is the case here but I am saying this is the rule rather than the exception. Whatever you may want to believe, the military goes way out of it's way to be incredibly transparent where sexual politics are concerned. Spc Swift may have been abused I don't know, but neither do you. The military is not quite as sinister as you try to make it just because we haven't gender normed Ranger School.

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