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Female Soldiers Treated 'Lower Than Dirt'

By Rose Aguilar, AlterNet. Posted July 14, 2006.


The case of Suzanne Swift reveals that women deployed in the Middle East are facing rape, abuse and sexual harassment -- from their own comrades-in-arms.
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U.S. Army Specialist Suzanne Swift will spend her 22nd birthday tomorrow confined to the Fort Lewis base in Washington, where she is awaiting the outcome of an investigation into allegations that she was sexually harassed and assaulted by three sergeants in Iraq.

Swift says the sergeants propositioned her for sex shortly after arriving for her first tour of duty in February 2004. She remained in Iraq until February 2005. "When you are over there, you are lower than dirt; you are expendable as a soldier in general, and as a woman, it's worse," said Swift in a recent interview with the Guardian.

When Swift's unit redeployed to Iraq in January 2006, she refused to go and instead stayed with her mother in Eugene, Ore. She was eventually listed as AWOL, arrested at her mother's home on June 11, sent to county jail and transferred to Fort Lewis.

"She's miserable and isolated," says Sara Rich, Swift's mother. "It's not good to have an idle mind while you're dealing with PTSD and sexual trauma. I want them to release her so I can get her the care she needs. I'm tired of waiting."

A colonel outside of Swift's chain of command is investigating the case, but Rich says she has been given little information with no time frame. "I believe they're trying to break her down using fear and intimidation."

Midnight phone calls

While Swift's case has gotten a fair amount of national and international attention, the overall issue of sexual assault committed by military personnel in the Middle East has been largely ignored.

"Regrettably, Suzanne Swift is not the first," says Anita Sanchez, communications director of the Miles Foundation, a nonprofit organization that provides services to victims of military violence. "There have been several young women who have been declared AWOL for seeking treatment due to sexual assault, but most of them are too scared to speak out."

Since the fall of 2003, the Miles Foundation has documented 518 cases of sexual assault on women who have served or are serving in Middle Eastern countries, including Iraq, Afghanistan, Bahrain and Qatar. The foundation has counselors on staff around the clock and often receives midnight phone calls from service members or their family members. After counselors and attorneys help the women access medical care and explain the reporting process, they try to transport them to a safe place for care and treatment.

"Because they're in a combat situation, we've had to develop protocols. We can't just send a chopper in there for them. We have to get their permission to contact military authorities to get them moved," says Sanchez. "If you were at Fort Drum, we wouldn't have to tell anybody, but if we need to move you out of Baghdad or Kuwait, then we have to get your permission to contact the military and say, 'We need to move Joanna Jones because this has transpired.'"

Sanchez says a counselor recently received a call in the middle of the night from a young woman who was raped in the Green Zone in Baghdad. "She said, 'I was raped, and I've only got 10 minutes on my phone card. What do I do?'" The woman was helicoptered out of the Green Zone, sent to Kuwait and then Germany, and eventually returned to the United States.

Another recent case involved a young American woman who was raped by a coalition partner in a rural area. Sanchez says it took two weeks to get to a one-room medical facility in Kabul. "They had no facilities to do a rape testing, so they couldn't test for pregnancy or HIV. An American doctor literally handed her high-dose antibiotics and told her, 'This will kill anything you've come in contact with.'" The young woman is now recovering in the states.

Sanchez says another woman was told she would receive the morning-after pill a few days after she was raped, but received birth control pills instead.

No official documentation

While these cases aren't officially documented with the government, the Department of Veterans Affairs and the Department of Defense both conduct general studies of sexual assault, but the findings can be difficult to obtain.

Last year, Rep. Lane Evans, D-Ill., the ranking Democratic Member of the House Veterans' Affairs Committee, criticized the Bush administration for failing to release a Veterans Affairs study on military sexual trauma among the National Guard and Reserve. It found sexual harassment, sexual assault and rape is 60 percent among females and 27 percent among males. The estimated prevalence for rape among females is 11 percent and 1.2 percent among males.

The report, which was originally due by March 2001, was released last September. In a statement, Evans said, "The women and men who have suffered military sexual trauma deserve our respect, compassion and commitment to provide them with ready access to counseling and treatment. I am releasing the report, which I have obtained through other sources, to shine a light on a serious problem that the White House wants to hide in the shadows."


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Rose Aguilar is a San Francisco-based journalist who is writing a book about her road trip through the "red states."

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War is the big problem
Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 14, 2006 2:24 AM   
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I served in the armed forces alongside many women. In peacetime, sexual relations were akin to what goes on in any high school: lots of flurting, hanging out with each other at base discos, all pretty normal stuff.

When I have served overseas in stressful situations, then human behaviour changes markedly. As the stress and danger levels rise, people become more horny. Female colleagues start to become clandestine affairs: everyone is seeking quick solace and the warmth of human contact.

War itself makes men very agressive physically and sexually. I think it is this that is putting female soldiers at risk. Unfortunately, much of this was argued by experienced soldiers prior to the mixing of the sexes in units, but it was dismissed as sexism. I don't think it was sexism: it was an honest account of how the behaviour of young men in a war environment, despite the best checks and balances of the military hierarchy, are still difficult to control. Think about it: horny guys with guns, horny guys, who after having a few friends killed and maimed, don't care a toss about the military hierarchy or what feminists think. It is that brutal on the frontlines.

The alternative? All female combat units? I would be interested to see how that would work, if it would. All female combat units deployed in muslim countries? Watch the sparks fly.

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What kind of Christians run an army or rapists? It's 2006, one would hope we advanced a little
Posted by: deo508 on Jul 14, 2006 4:10 AM   
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General Boykin, Rumsfeld, Bush? It's purely evil what is happening in our military.
we are more and more like some Nazi-Soviet dictatroship The sacry thing is if this war end these raping marauding soldiers have to come home and how the hell can we trust a single one of them? The good ones unfortunately will get lumped in with the bad.

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Don't sign up
Posted by: rsaxto on Jul 14, 2006 4:27 AM   
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An American woman these days who signs up for the USA military has got to be really ignorant or really brainwashed or really dumb and possibly all three. Don't sign up to be a victim of humiliation, injury or death. Don't validate the Bushie war criminals. Don't become a war criminal yourself. Don't validate election stealers. Don't validate greedy oil stealers. Don't go to Iraq. Don't obey the orders of pricks.

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» EXACTLY Posted by: sirossisofliver
» RE: Don't sign up Posted by: Pickles78
» RE: Don't sign up Posted by: cottontail
» RE: Don't sign up Posted by: Pickles78
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» RE: Don't sign up Posted by: churchofone
» RE: Don't sign up Posted by: Pickles78
how about disciple?
Posted by: Samantha Vimes on Jul 14, 2006 5:39 AM   
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I am sick of seeing rape apologists write that men can't help themselves but rape what with all the stress and there being women nearby.

Men seeking sex know what to do. Chat her up, and if she isn't interested move on to the next one. Stress can make women horny, too, and so it's just a matter of trying.

Men seeking to dominate, to hurt, to supress their own feelings of powerlessness, or to insult others: those are the ones who rape. Like raping that Iraqi teenager-- she wasn't lounging around sunbathing in a bikini, I'm sure.

The soldiers who accept their female colleagues as real troops aren't going to rape them. You're supposed to watch out for your buddies, and they watch out for you. No, the rapists are men who have always believed only men belong in the military, and they are trying to force women out through a campaign of harrassment and intimidation.

The rapists are surely more likely to be the ones who will commit atrocities and bring down America in the eyes of the world.

So stop defending them! We need the RAPISTS to be dishonorably discharged and in prison. Because you can be sure when they come home, your daughters aren't going to be safe.

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» lynch mentality Posted by: Burton
Suzanne Smith Movement and Petition
Posted by: BRUCE COMBS on Jul 14, 2006 7:06 AM   
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See this vital well researched and up-to-date site.
Sign petition, ANONYMOUSLY if you choose:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/441448013

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RE: Time for Dick Management
Posted by: Pickles78 on Jul 14, 2006 7:51 AM   
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???? Wha...??

What are you talking about? You want DICK management...try a little self control, or how about simply adherence to the law. Or maybe upholding ethical standards. The last thing the military needs is to invest in yet another sorry ass civilian entity in a half-assed attempt to fix internal problems its too damn lazy with to deal with. DICK management...who thinks of this crap?


Tommy Pickles

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RE: Time for Dick Management
Posted by: Malamute on Jul 14, 2006 8:41 AM   
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The Dick management we need is Dick Cheney management, get the entire Cheney/Bush cabal out of government. Start down the long road of healing this nation, and the world.

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» RE: Time for Dick Management Posted by: ArtemInox
jennherne
Posted by: jennherne on Jul 14, 2006 10:14 AM   
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Poor men. They have this dick that controls them so they rape. Right? OK, how about; you rape, you get it whacked off and I mean OFF of your body!

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» RIGHT ON! POWER TO THE SISTERS! Posted by: Blue Heron
Oh, so this comes as some big surprise to everyone?
Posted by: Blue Heron on Jul 14, 2006 10:32 AM   
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I thought soldiers signed up specifically so they could have their little rape fest. Both their colleagues and Iraqi women are therefore fair game. Personally, I would never sacrfice my life for a country that still does not give women equal pay - yes, I'm talking about the Retarded States of Dumberica. So what, I'm going to not only risk my life for Unlce Sam, but have his creepy brothers assault me? I don't think so.

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This is only vaguely connected...
Posted by: Orwells_nightmare on Jul 14, 2006 10:47 AM   
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...and may actually be just an urban myth, but I've heard stories of nightclubs and bars that are notorious sites of date-rape getting 'tagged' with coded graffiti as warnings/shamings, for example, a barbed-wire spike to indicate a place where women (or even men, in some cases) have had their drinks 'spiked' with stuff like Rohypnol or GHB. I have absolutely no verifiable sources, but personally, I think it's a good idea. Anyone else heard of this?

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» more panic... Posted by: Burton
National Day of Action, Yay!
Posted by: eastcoker on Jul 14, 2006 10:52 AM   
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Good. It's about time we start protesting this hell. What happened to the Armed Forces? They used to be decent. They have *totally* degraded. Yuck. Interesting point:
""It's not good to have an idle mind while you're dealing with PTSD and sexual trauma."
Ain't that the truth. PTSD requires medication, you know that? PTSD is intrusive thoughts and traumatic memories. I *can't imagine* what this poor girl is going through.
Did you know that women can be chaplain's assistants and carry a gun to protect a priest and yet not be a chaplain?!
We need women chaplain in the Armies, strong women who won't break down, overseas, to deal with this stuff. We need women commanders! And women in the Pentagon! Let's see a story on women commanders and Pentagon officers, please. Thank you.

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Bush Rapist
Posted by: vkobaya on Jul 14, 2006 11:05 AM   
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Okay! Just added rape to the list of Bush war crimes.

It didn't have to happen. If Bush had not started this criminal war, our women soldiers wouldn't be subject to these crimes just as our death toll for American soldiers murdered by Bush wouldn't be 2,550 nor would there be a couple hundred thousand dead Iraqi civilians. He also wouldn't have had the chance to embezzle hundreds of billions that were allocated to the war.

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Women Don't Have to Join
Posted by: the islander on Jul 14, 2006 11:41 AM   
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Women, take note. You don't have to join.

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» Hard to have it both ways ladies Posted by: DavidByron
» Are you talking to me? Posted by: eastcoker
» You are forgiven. Posted by: eastcoker
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Simple Fix: Disarm rapists
Posted by: Crazy H on Jul 14, 2006 11:54 AM   
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Publicly, slowly, and without benefit of anasthetic.

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» Why is rape so bad? Posted by: DavidByron
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Sick
Posted by: ilikearundhati on Jul 14, 2006 12:02 PM   
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I see they're not just victimizing the Iraqi girls (and boys in some cases) anymore. Support the good troops. To hell with the filth, even if they're wearing US uniforms.

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war is horrible
Posted by: mraaa on Jul 14, 2006 1:28 PM   
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Its sad to hear about all the rapes going on in Iraq; but the reality is -war tself is horrible ,its sad. Everywhere there is war, rape will always take place. Once humans in uniform start killing, something changes in you.Even if you kill for ideological reasons- like politics- you still killed another human being. Some of those soldiers are very young , the only violence they see is on tv, then suddenly they find themselves face to face with the most horrific scenes. Thing is, war shouldnt be used to justify a soldier raping a comrade, maybe its time we have separate sex units/ but then that wont sell. I dont know what i would do if i was a commander- obviously there will always be sexual tension btw the sexes in the military during times of war or not- I think as a commander I would just obey what the "experts" say and hope that the sexual tensions disappear

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Keep your god-damned apologies to yourself!
Posted by: pianojo on Jul 14, 2006 3:17 PM   
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Sniffle...sniffle...sniffle...Oh, poor little male soldiers, can't keep their penises under control. Sob. Sob.

Gee, it's tough, isn't it. You're going to war and you think it's going to be a picnic. And then you get there and find out it is anything BUT a picnic and then you use this as an excuse to rape and murder women.

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Today's military led by Ted Bundy's and Charlie Mansons
Posted by: deo508 on Jul 14, 2006 3:46 PM   
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Gotta love those Christian values.

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Chaplain's Assistant and Stripper
Posted by: eastcoker on Jul 14, 2006 4:55 PM   
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I would do both jobs. How much would I get paid?

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Shout, "RAPE!" and get a free ticket out of Iraq
Posted by: DavidByron on Jul 14, 2006 8:46 PM   
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Bored with Iraq? Well don't worry ladies you have a free ticket home that no man can use. Just claim you were raped and you'll be on your way to Germany. Or claim you were raped last time to get you out of trouble if you refuse to re-deploy there.

Same thing happened in the first Gulf War. Huge numbers of women claiming to be raped or else getting pregnant and then being sent home because they were pregnant (and then having an abortion when they get stateside).

One airforce report on the phenomena guessed that most women claiming to be raped were fabricating the story.

Now I can just hear the feminazis now screaming about how I must be a misogynist to beleive a woman would ever tell a lie to get out of trouble. But then of course they all prefer to explain the same evidence as a man being not a liar but a rapist --- and not just a proportion of the cases but all of them.

But that's the feminist way isn't it? Disparaging some women even slightly is inexcusable. Calling all men rapists -- well that's nothing.

Actually my view is if a soldier of either sex has to lie to get out of commiting war crimes in Iraq then more power to them (as long as they don't try to frame other specific individuals for the fictitious crime that is). I don't blame most of these women one bit.

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» What's Digby's blog Posted by: eastcoker
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» Wow feminists are so smart Posted by: DavidByron
military women.
Posted by: yellow on Jul 15, 2006 12:25 AM   
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It sounds to me like Lisa and Simplefear are both military women. They are perfectly correct in criticizing this David fellow whoever he is for his ignorant misogyny. But something bothers me. They seem to be very feminist, perhaps out of self-interest, but one would think also out of their personal experiences. What bothers me is that these two women don't see the forest for the trees. They criticize the left and Chomsky while embracing the military all the while failing to see that militarism, US hegemony, imperialist aggression, and rape CANNOT be separated. They are all part of the same dehumanizing ideology, set of attitudes, world view, and mode of reasoning. The mentality that believes in violence and conquest is the very same one that bullies and victimizes women. Feminism is not just the belief and practice of "standing up for women" or equal rights but an entire, systematic ideological approach to understanding politics and the world at large. War and militarized societies will ALWAYS be sexist. This is true historically. It is still true!!!

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» RE: military women. Posted by: Pickles78
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» RE: military women. Posted by: Pickles78
eoc
Posted by: eoc on Jul 15, 2006 9:12 AM   
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Let Suzanne Swift leave the military honorably; she has served her country and deserves to move on. The military has harmed her enough.

Soldiers are prepared to aggress against aggressors. War is stressful; it is going to be stressful; it cannot be anything but stressful. No amount of 'greenzone' coddling can mitigate this, nor can the presence of women in a war zone change this. The prevelance of PTSD among the returnees proves that stress makes profound changes in the psyches of those exposed to such heightened stresses. Because of this, a war zone is not the place to mix genders. Let me say this again: a war zone is not the place to mix genders.

It is the height of ignorance to expect young men and women to behave differently to stress because they or their commanders are 'enlightened'. The only thing more dangerous than ignorance is purposefully exposing women to such dangers in the name of 'equality'. Don't get me wrong. I'm a woman, accomplished and competitive, on Disabilities for severe and chronic PTSD. It's bad enough for anyone to be placed in such a stressful environment, but to mix the genders, at a policy level, harms those brave women who fall for the lie that the playing ground is level. Both ground and psyches, when stressed, are no longer level.

To all those 'Social engineers': deal with reality. The money spent training and then flying home pregnant or raped women, and then prosecuting their aggressors, is better spent on other efforts--like updating equipment and preventing psychological harm in the first place. While it is true that good and law-abiding people are everywhere, it is equally true that women and children are at increased risk of harm when embedded among a stressed population....Do enlisted women and top-brass military not get this yet?

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» good points Posted by: Burton
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A solution...
Posted by: Burton on Jul 15, 2006 10:38 AM   
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It's interesting that the Pentagon just criminalized "paying for sex." i.e., a soldier who sees a prostitute is now subject to court martial. Also forbidden are homosexuality, adultery, and oral sex (at least they were illegal when I was in the Army).

If you are going to have a culture of sexual repression, then it is going to be sublimated into other things, like abuse of civilians and sexual assaults.

A rational solution would be to legalize and regulate prostitution.

But the "moralists" out there think it perfectly legit to send people to their deaths in war, but heaven help us if anyone has sex!

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Bad apples?
Posted by: fhughes on Jul 15, 2006 12:37 PM   
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When i read the numbers in this article, and read too that few rapes are reported, I don't think it can be 'a few bad apples' as a certain cc-in-c claims.

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Locality
Posted by: YogiBear on Jul 15, 2006 5:01 PM   
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I wodner what effect the theatre of action has to do with rape? In the orient and other places, soldiers could fraternize with locals and release their sexual frustrations with prostitutes. Just the locale of muslim countries where access to female (or any non-military) companionship is barred has got to be a major factor, I would think.

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War is Heck
Posted by: godzgurl on Jul 15, 2006 6:36 PM   
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I am sorry to hear about this young woman: it is terrible what was done to her and the others. I would like to point out one thing though: the article states that the report was due out in 2001.....that would be data gleaned during the Clinton years, NOT The Bush years. (The Department of Defense’s Sexual Harassment Survey (1995), (2% overall, Bastian Lacaster, & Reyst, 1996), (Skiner, Kressin, Frayne, Tripp, lfin, Miller, & Sullivan 2000),(Wolfe, Sharkansky, Read, Dawson, Marin, & Oimette, 1998). This is taken from page 6 of the study quoted in the article....I could list more dates, but I won’t.

The fact that the info was released by a Democrat is telling in my opinion. Why didn’t they release this info during the Clinton years...they certainly had it. Clinton made it ok for women to be in those situations, he is the one who removed the lines that had been set for the safety of women, NOT Bush. Clinton was the Rapist and sexual harasser, and none of you who love him batted an eye! Clinton is the one with the low opinion of women, NOT Bush.

True, much of this is happening now....but that isn’t Bush’s fault. War is hell, as Audy Murphy said: for those of you who don’t know, he was a decorated WW2 hero. Women should not be on the front lines. It is no place for woman...and if some of you say it hinders her career, too bad. The military is a place to learn to defend our nation and fight wars. Many women as soon as it was time to ship out got themselves conveniently knocked up so they didn’t have to go. Don’t mind the money and free education, but don’t want to do what they have been hired to do. I have no problem with women in the military, I was one! BUT.....this is a big one.....women should not be on the front, unless the front comes to them.

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The Greater Issues
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jul 16, 2006 8:33 AM   
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I don't think that the numbers quoted are probably no higher than the incidence rate in the society at large. Sexual assault and other related misconduct are widespread throughout our society.

The US Army is a microcosm of the nation and society that created, commands and sustains it. What this situation reflects is more about the general attitude of men and institutions in American society than about any particular institution such as the Army.

The only part of this that is peculiar to the Army is the rigid Chain of Command and dual-track legal system under the UCMJ, which is in desperate need of reform. If this soldier's story is accurate she followed the Chain of Command and the system failed her. She is in a difficult spot and this simply shouldn't be.

The DoD is very good about preaching EO to the troops while having a poor record of holding those in authority responsible. If the Army wants to send a message that it is serious about stopping this kind of thing they should charge her leadership with Dereliction of Duty and submit them to Court Martial. Only when senior NCO's and Commissioned Officers realize that failure to protect a soldier with an EO or criminal complaint is going to cost them their career and maybe their freedom will they get the message. The same should apply to soldiers applying for CO status.

To any Soldiers, Sailors, Marines or Airmen reading this:
No means NO
Women serving in uniform should be able to live their lives and serve without a barrage of unwanted sexual attention.

To any Non-Commissioned Officers, Warrant Officers or Commissioned Officers reading this:
Along with your higher rank, privilege and authority comes a responsibility to look after the welfare and wellness of all troops under your command. If a soldier, particularly a lower enlisted grade soldier, files a complaint or criminal charge it is your RESPONSIBILITY to guard and guarantee their safety from retribution, an accurate and honest hearing of their complaint without bias or prejudice and proper access to any and all legal counsel available to them. Failure to do so is Dereliction of Duty.

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clinton and military
Posted by: yellow on Jul 16, 2006 10:54 PM   
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Clinton cannot be held personally responsible for the harassment of women during his terms in office. I'm sure that the same went on during Reagan and Bush I. If the harassment declined during the second Bush Administration than it has more to do with reforms and responses to this issue all this time in the military itself. Bush did not reduce the severity of the problem. According to Gen. Jan Karpinski, the officer formerly in charge of Abu Ghraib, the problem is now as bad as it has ever been. By the way what kind of "clean Christian morals" are shown in the disgraceful Abu Ghraib torture photos. Those photos are only the tip of the iceberg and it shows the real charactor of the Bush Administration and many of his "Christian" soldiers. There is a differance between real Christianity and the clerico-fascism of Bush and his lackeys!

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» RE: clinton and military Posted by: godzgurl
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Keep them safe
Posted by: jasontromm on Jul 17, 2006 7:53 AM   
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Don't put women in combat zones. This case highlights exactly why women don't belong anywhere near a combat zone.

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» RE: Keep them safe Posted by: Pickles78
"New" (VERY) Old information
Posted by: Ian MacLeod on Jul 17, 2006 10:25 AM   
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All militaries have known this stuff since before Joshua's time:

It's a part of military training, contained in insults, comments, and especially punishments during and between 'formal' periods of training. You're called "pussy" and "stupid cunt" (and both are either insults or recreational areas, nothing else while you're in). The women of Home are enshrined as sacred and the very core of "what we're fighting for and protecting", all others are "fair game" and "the enemy", and AT THE SAME TIME the DELIBERATE ARRESTING AND FIXING OF YOUNG MALES IN ADOLESCENCE, and twisting desires and natural competitiveness and dominance iint pain giving AND seeking with a hidden piece of homosexuality (in this twisted, sexually sick Christian extremist society, this is never to be out in the open, and manifests as "just boys/buds together" butt-slapping, etc) makes sweet kids into killers. That's what it's for. Dominance games abound, and rape -- male-on-male, as with some predators, as well as male-on-female - is often seen, and interpreted as dominance gaming by officers, especially in front-line services. Increase competition or danger, like in the Top Gun school or the Elite combat units like SEALs, and this gets magnified - enough to frighten civilians like girlfriends and spouses. Sex gets rougher, tempers shorter, and violence closer to the surface.

They WANT vicious killers who will follow orders, and with the deliberate psychological tw