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Readers Speak: Gore, Chomsky and Ivins Are Winners

By Don Hazen, AlterNet. Posted July 13, 2006.


Gore wins big in AlterNet's presidential straw poll while Hillary trails badly; Chomsky grabs Most Valuable Progressive and Ivins gets Best Opinion Writer.

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The results are in. More than 13,000 readers cast their straw vote in AlterNet's reader survey and poll conducted during the last two weeks of June. Readers came out in droves to state their preference for Al Gore as Democratic Presidential candidate for 2008.

Gore, whose popularity appears to be growing with the success of his documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, received 35 percent of the vote, followed by Senator Russ Feingold at 20 percent and former vice presidential candidate John Edwards at 11 percent. Wesley Clark received 4 percent, and John Kerry and Mark Warner 2 percent.

The big surprise in the survey is that Senator Hillary Clinton, whom many in the corporate media suggest is the front runner for the nomination, only received 7 percent of the vote. This is particularly surprising since 53 percent of the survey respondents were women. One possible reason for Senator Clinton's poor showing and Gore's popularity is that 24 percent of our survey participants chose the war in Iraq as their top priority issue. Hillary Clinton has not shown any leadership on the issue or been among those pushing for an end to the bloodshed.

On the heels of the Iraq war, 16 percent of readers tagged global warming as their priority issue. (Gore's film on that topic is now the fourth highest grossing documentary of all time.) Fourteen percent picked health care, and 1 percent alternative energy policy as their priorities.

Of those responding to the survey, 70 percent overall described themselves as Democrats, with 48 percent of those identifying as Progressives who mostly vote Democrat. Twelve percent called themselves Independents, 7 percent Green and only 1 percent Republican.

More than half of AlterNet readers say they visit the site one or more times a day, with two-thirds forwarding links to friends and colleagues, and more than 70 percent emailing an elected official. Many AlterNet readers are excited about AlterNet's growing video content. Two-thirds are interested in video interviews and 55 percent look forward to progressive film previews. As of now, only a tiny percentage of AlterNet readers are ready for text messages to come over their mobile phones.

The Most Valuable Progressive designation went to Noam Chomsky, chosen by 21 percent of the voters, followed by Michael Moore at 15 percent and Amy Goodman at 13 percent. Howard Zinn had the votes of 13 percent and Cornell West 9 percent.

Molly Ivins ran away with 38 percent of the vote for Best Opinion Writer, followed by New York Times columnist Paul Krugman at 17 percent and Arianna Huffington at 10 percent.

In other poll categories, Bono topped the charts as Most Effective Celebrity with 35 percent, followed by George Clooney at 20 percent. Susan Sarandon nipped her partner Tim Robbins 7 percent to 5 percent while the Dixie Chicks received 6 percent of the vote.

In the Best Progressive Book category, David Sirota's Hostile Takeover: How Big Money and Corruption Conquered Our Government -- And How We Take it Back at 27 percent bested new author Glenn Greenwald's How Would a Patriot Act?, the first book published by Working Assets Publishing at 13 percent. Crashing the Gates by Markos Zuniga and Jerome Armstrong came in third at 9 percent.

The Best Blog award went to the Daily Kos with 31 percent, followed by Crooks and Liars with 18 percent and Talking Points Memo at 8 percent, although many readers said they didn't pay much attention to the blogs.

There was a very tight race for Best Progressive Website. Despite recent controversies, Truthout.org won with 15 percent, followed by Common Dreams at 14 percent, Salon 13 percent, Huffington Post 12 percent and Grist 11 percent. We appreciate the many hundreds of reader who wrote in votes for AlterNet, even though we didn't include ourselves on the list.

In closing, we were thrilled that more than 1,750 survey respondents have already made a contribution to AlterNet. Even better, more than 8,000 of you indicated you would consider donating to AlterNet in the future. (Just in case now seems like the right time for you to make a contribution, please click HERE and make us happy.)

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hmm
Posted by: nbrown on Jul 13, 2006 12:15 AM   
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First, Chomsky isn't a "progressive" -- he's an anarchist. And the work he does is very important.

Second, Molly Ivins is one of the most ineffectual writers on the planet. Her op-eds are so predictable as to earn her a place in the status-quo.

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» Don't feed the trolls.... Posted by: adp3d
» RE: Huh Posted by: Ratskii
» RE: hmm Posted by: pitbunny
» RE: hmm Posted by: drmflorida
» RE: hmm Posted by: Ryyath
» RE: hmm Posted by: drmflorida
» Absolutely - furthermore Posted by: fifthworld
» RE: Absolutely - furthermore Posted by: andrewgirma
» RE: Absolutely - furthermore Posted by: andrewgirma
» Comrade Noam Posted by: Burton
Gore is a winner - if he doesn't lose
Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 13, 2006 2:14 AM   
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I agree Gore is the only Democrat to step up that has any brains to speak of. He is articulate, passionate, he knows his facts, he has done time in the House, thus he knows how it works (or doesn't). Hillary, on the other hand, has totally turned people off (though, as a man, she kind of turns me on, but I digress).

What I worry about is this: things look bad for the Republicans and everyone knows the Bush failings ad nauseum. But the Republicans do have an ace up their sleave (apart from being able to rig elections): and that is they are clear about what the conflict is, and how serious it is. If the Democrats could give a coherant position on this, and show they can back it up with a plan and actions, then Gore would be a shu in.

I shall draw your attention to the UK Labour Party. Under Tony Blair, the Labour Party probably reflects Democrat politics as they would like it to be. But what is interesting is that the party is divided and unable to hold together over what to do, it is melting down rapidly. Blair has committed troops to the war on terror. He has tried to pass legislation to tackle islamic fascism in the UK - which is a big problem - but has been thwarted by his party at every turn.

What has been disgraceful since the bombings of 7/7 has been the cowardly behaviour of the party and the left. They have wanted to bury the whole attack and keep telling people to 'forget about it' and move on. 'Oh, and by the way, more like that is on the way, but hey, smile and go to work!'. I don't find that an acceptable response nor one that addresses the long-term risks. The victims of the bombings have been treated disgracefully, given a mere few thousand pounds each for life-long disabilities or the death of a loved one. This compares poorly with the victims of 9/11, who were generously helped.

So, that's how Dems deal with conflict in the 21st century: they are irresponsible, callous, childish and in the end, not adult enough for the responsibilities of the office of President.

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» 7/7 bogus Posted by: fifthworld
» RE: Gore is a winner Posted by: espellin
Good choices, all
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 13, 2006 2:50 AM   
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It goes without saying that Molly Ivins and Noam Chomsky should be named as the fab gear fave raves of the world of AlterNet. The big surprise here is Al Gore!

Dear Mr. President, or "Al", if you'll allow me to be informal: Should you read this please forgive me for bolting the democrats for Ralph Nader in 2000. Even though you won my state handily that year, I still feel somehow complicit in your defeat

I should have known better with a guy like you. That I would love everything that you do. And I do. Hey! Hey! Hey! And I do! [Brief harmonica interlude]

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Tom Degan's Daily Rant

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Good choices, all
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 13, 2006 2:52 AM   
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It goes without saying that Molly Ivins and Noam Chomsky should be named as the fab gear fave raves of the world of AlterNet. The big surprise here is Al Gore!

Dear Mr. President, or "Al", if you'll allow me to be informal: Should you read this please forgive me for bolting the democrats for Ralph Nader in 2000. Even though you won my state handily that year, I still feel somehow complicit in your defeat

I should have known better with a guy like you. That I would love everything that you do. And I do. Hey! Hey! Hey! And I do! [Brief harmonica interlude]

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Tom Degan's Daily Rant

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» Sorry for the double posting Posted by: Tom Degan
» Actually Posted by: fifthworld
» RE: Actually Posted by: Tom Degan
Gore is the real leader, Molly is a joy to read, Chomsky woke up a lot of sleeping wide awakes
Posted by: greentime on Jul 13, 2006 3:59 AM   
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Y'know, there has been a whole lot of framing going on... and we don't have time to believe the lies anymore. The planet is in peril and we need to decide now who can do the most good and we need to do this fast.

Many spin meisters have been saying that Gore had tons of power and didn't do what he could with it under Clinton.

If Gore had so much power, then why was the election he truly won, stolen out from under him?

Bush/Clinton/Bush... sold us ALL out and Gore may not have been able to have been more effective under Clinton. After all, who was?

But Gore has stepped up - and put his beliefs and his science on the line. He has stepped forward, admitted his flaws, and has changed. That takes a conscience and a great mind. He IS leading and in a great way, he IS being a world leader and a world-class leader at that. Why not get behind him and help him do more of the great work he is already doing?

If you think we can afford to play more brutal games of character assassination... think again. There are two ass-es in that word. Folks, we are out of time.

Hear this, I'll say it again...

FOLKS, WE ARE OUT OF TIME.

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» That's weird Posted by: fifthworld
» RE: That's weird Posted by: sea4to
» RE: That's weird Posted by: fifthworld
Run Al. PLEASE!
Posted by: custersbud on Jul 13, 2006 4:15 AM   
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Run Al, Please. You're probably the only Democrat who stands a chance of holding up under the probable withering personal destruction ads the right-wingers will be starting soon. They shot their wad in 2000 and it still took a rigged election to beat you. RUN.

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» RE: un Al. PLEASE! Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: un Al. PLEASE! Posted by: hapibeli
» RE: un Al. PLEASE! Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: un Al. PLEASE! Posted by: bassman
» RE: un Al. PLEASE! Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Wow, Thanks Covservasaurus! Posted by: bassman
» RE: Wow, Thanks Covservasaurus! Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Wow, Thanks Covservasaurus! Posted by: aonghus36
» RE: Wow, Thanks Covservasaurus! Posted by: Conservasaurus
Ivins and Chomsky
Posted by: rsaxto on Jul 13, 2006 4:16 AM   
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Molly Ivins was the very first Futuresaver on my FUTURESAVE website and Noam Chomsky was the third. We would be in an even worse pickle without Ivins and Chomsky.

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Hillary as candidate
Posted by: jcutler9 on Jul 13, 2006 4:45 AM   
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Some time ago I received in the mail a survey from Hillary Clinton, wanting to know how I would prioritize issues of the day. War/terrorism/middle east did not even appear in any category. So I simply wrote all over the survey and on the envelope "It's the War!" and sent it back.

windy in wv

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» RE: Hillary as candidate Posted by: Chickensh*tEagle
» It wasn't a "Poll"..... Posted by: sirossisofliver
But will it play in Peoria?
Posted by: deo508 on Jul 13, 2006 5:05 AM   
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Alternet is problably reflective of the more progressive, well-informed, highly intelligent, educated, reality-based, compassionate, true American part of the Democratic party, give or take a few wing-nuts. But what about the rest of the Democrats, the ones who watch CNN religously, and the ones who are unwittingly manipulated by corporate media. Who will they be told to vote for by the Democratic Loser council (DLC)?

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» Oh get away Posted by: fifthworld
» RE: Oh get away Posted by: deo508
Gore as president
Posted by: jcutler9 on Jul 13, 2006 5:14 AM   
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But according to Amendment XXII, Gore could serve only one term as president, because according to Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice...and he has already been elected once.

windy

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» RE: Gore as president Posted by: deo508
» RE: Gore as president Posted by: jcutler9
» RE: Gore as president Posted by: xbj
» RE: Gore as president Posted by: deo508
» RE: Gore as president Posted by: xbj
HILLARY AS PRES IS A BOGUS MSM FABRICATION
Posted by: dmstern on Jul 13, 2006 5:21 AM   
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I appreciate this poll mostly because it points out one very important thing - nobody but the mainstream media is interested in Hillary as the Democratic candidate in '08. The very large question here which I would love to see Alternet tackle is this - Why is the mainstream media jamming the concept of Hillary Clinton for President down our collective throats when nobody but nobody is interested in seeing her run?!

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» Some explanations Posted by: JoshNarins
» RE: Some explanations Posted by: dangerouslysane
» RE: Some explanations Posted by: dmstern
» RE: Some explanations Posted by: dmstern
President Gore is too smart and too ethical to run
Posted by: xbj on Jul 13, 2006 6:52 AM   
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President Gore knows that Diebold and ES&S determine the vote in this Godforsaken dictatorship, and will continue to do so until there is either a successful revolution (after many horrific failures) or it is annihilated, which will, in all probability, occur first.

And he is far too ethical to follow down the Lieberman Bushwar-fellating path that Hillary is tightrope walking without a net.

No, President Gore is just too smart and too ethical to ever be Amerika's President, and Amerika doesn't deserve him.

Just the same, he shows us all, and the entire world, what could have been, and to his credit, without shoving our faces in it.

A good man, in a very evil dying Empire with not a whole hell of a lot of time left.

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» Repetition Posted by: jwg
» RE: epetition Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: repetition Posted by: deo508
Don't let Gore fool you, he's a woos
Posted by: fifthworld on Jul 13, 2006 7:22 AM   
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Or how do you spell that anyway?

Seriously, if Gore wouldn't stand up for a recount in 2000, don't be thinking that, just because he's an environmental catastrophist (which is good) he's going to be able to do anything right in the arena of stolen elections. Or that anyone else would either. Read Palast about the hijinx on '08. It's over.

Build arks locally.

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» Bingo Posted by: fifthworld
» RE: Bingo Posted by: ccbite
» Grandstandicography; or lexiporn Posted by: fifthworld
Interesting group
Posted by: popsicle67 on Jul 13, 2006 7:24 AM   
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Noam Chomsky is a shoe-in on anybodies best-of list just for putting the conspiracy buffs in their place. Molly Ivins is a jackass. An as far as Al Gore goes, do you want, as your president , a person who has openly supported the destruction of the first ammendment. You seem to hate the current President for curtailing Constitutional Rights so you should be pretty much against Al gore for his views on free speech or can democrats just step on the Constitution while republicans cannot.

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» RE: Interesting group Posted by: hapibeli
GORE NEEDS TO MAKE HIS INTENTIONS CLEAR
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jul 13, 2006 8:37 AM   
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Whatever his intentions are, Al Gore looms over the 2008 Democratic Presidential Race in a big way. Because of that he needs to announce his intentions one way or another no later than January 2007. My personal take is that his decision will be heavily influenced by the outcome of the 2006 Congressional results.

If he chooses to run in 2008 it his for the taking.

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» RE: How much are you gettting Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: How much are you gettting Posted by: Conservasaurus
waterman
Posted by: happybear on Jul 13, 2006 8:49 AM   
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Neil Peart, a noted Canadien lyricist wrote "Better the Pride That Resides in a Citizen of the World, than the Pride that Divides when a Colourful Rag is Unfurled."
The Flag is just a piece of cloth that holds no more reverence than a terry towel. Pride in Country is in each of us, and if it is shaken by simple damage or misuse of a symbol, then it is very shallow pride, indeed.

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» RE: waterman Posted by: happybear
Make BILL the FIRST PLAYER!
Posted by: garyoke on Jul 13, 2006 9:05 AM   
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"Hey - I could be back in the White House, and nobody's watchin' me! hehe. Cigar?" - Bill

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» RE: Make BILL the FIRST PLAYER! Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Troll, troll on a roll Posted by: jwg
» RE: Troll, troll on a roll Posted by: Conservasaurus
What the...?!
Posted by: notrab68 on Jul 13, 2006 9:39 AM   
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This is what's considered to be "progressive"? Support for a bunch of throw-backs who can't seem to understand current events. Dear lord, your side of the political spectrum is in deep, deep trouble.

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» RE: What the...?! Posted by: jcutler9
» RE: What the...?! Posted by: ccbite
excuse me?
Posted by: porgygirl on Jul 13, 2006 10:34 AM   
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"Senator Hillary Clinton. . . only received 7 percent of the vote. This is particularly surprising since 53 percent of the survey respondents were women."

Pardon? Are you saying that women are to be expected to vote for an uninspiring, pro-war candidate just because she's female? Now I'm curious: did most of her 7% come from female survey takers?

The statement quoted above reminded me a bit of 1988, when part of the reason Dan Quayle was added to the ticket was that his good looks would supposedly appeal to women voters.

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» RE: excuse me? Posted by: Chickensh*tEagle
Draft Gore Reactivated, Please Sign Petition
Posted by: Road on Jul 13, 2006 12:23 PM   
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Draft Gore Announces Petition for Candidacy
July 2006: A Message to All Patriotic Americans


Dear Fellow Citizens:

Draft Gore was established in 2001 to right a wrong that in retrospect seems monumentally simplistic: the wrong candidate – the losing candidate – was installed to the highest office in the land in January of 2001. We believed the Supreme Court majority decision was politically motivated. We still believe it.

But we never anticipated the widespread effects of this administration’s extraordinary assault upon our Constitutional principles. Along with the rest of the country, we witnessed an accelerated turn toward the dark and soulless side of humanity. Crime and corruption at the highest levels of government. The willful debasement of our ethical code. The concentration of power and wealth in the hands of the few at the expense of the many. Erosion of free speech and a muzzled press. The cavalier destruction of our society – and of our world.

In short, we have watched in horror as an endless cloud of dissension, war, poverty, ignorance, fear and uncertainty has descended over the past six years.

During this time, one clear truth has emerged above all others: There is a leader who stands untarnished by political expedience. A leader who can shepherd us out of an unholy nightmare and back onto the path to constructive statesmanship. A leader with the ability and the conscience to relight the world’s beacon of freedom.

Al Gore is that leader.

Draft Gore respects the former Vice President’s statements that he has no plans to run. We hold him in high esteem for his many remarkable achievements as a private citizen, not the least of which are his voice as the national conscience and his effort to save the planet itself.

We also believe that Al Gore’s true calling is at the helm of our nation. Only then can he put the full power of his ideas for a better America to work.

By this petition, we are pleading with him to run for the Presidency of the United States in 2008. We urge you to help us formalize the recent groundswell of public opinion by signing the petition and encouraging others to sign. Only by joining as one voice can we hope to influence this most crucial decision.

Thank you.

The Draft Gore 2008 Committee
Petition at:
http://www.draftgore.com/

It's great to see so much interest in, and support for, Al Gore. Thanks to all those who sign and forward the petition. -- Road

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Surprised? Really?
Posted by: robbb3rt on Jul 13, 2006 12:33 PM   
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Why is the author so surprised? The results of the poll are consistent with polls at several other progressive blogs for the past couple of years, with Hillary usually doing slightly better than Joe Lieberman, and John Kerry doing slightly better than Hillary. Al Gore usually comes out on top, Howard Dean does well, as does Dennis Kucinich, and Barak Obama.

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Molly
Posted by: American Reflections on Jul 13, 2006 2:08 PM   
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Molly Ivins is a Texan with the guts to tell the truth in a humorous way in a state that still worships at the feet of Dubya.
She's MY gal, all the way!!!

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» RE: Molly Posted by: AtmeratisX
» RE: Molly Posted by: sirossisofliver
THANKS for Voting!
Posted by: JoshNarins on Jul 13, 2006 2:11 PM   
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I didn't vote here, but you all must have been reading my minds.

Nice to think there are more out there.

I admit, my favoring Gore feels naive, and is definitely, in part, driven by pragmatism (I'm simply too much of an unknown at this point to win, I regret to inform you I (so far) haven't done anything to change this).

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Congressman, Dr. Ron Paul (Republican - Texas)
Posted by: Reader11722 on Jul 13, 2006 2:23 PM   
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Give him credit, he PUBLICALLY called for Bush's IMPEACHMENT.
Bush's impeachable offenses, include but not limited to: Patriot Act, violation of 1st Amendment by caging peaceful protestors and forcing book outltes to drop the book "America Deceived" by E.A. Blayre III, violation of 4th Amendment by illegally wire-tapping ALL PHONES and starting an illegal war.

Support indy books (final link before Google Books breaks):
http://www.iuniverse.com/
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Petition: Ask Gore to run
Posted by: politmuse1 on Jul 13, 2006 3:22 PM   
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Everyone wants to vote for him. Let's make sure we have a candidate first. Please sign this petition:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/algore2008/

Thank you.

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As things turned out, it's a good thing for Gore that the Bushites stole the Presidency from him...
Posted by: fool-on-the-hill on Jul 13, 2006 4:59 PM   
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...because if Gore had been allowed to take office, the Bushites would probably have killed him so they could get their "a**hole buddy", Lieberman, into the White House!

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The Other Questions about Gore
Posted by: paulanthropus on Jul 13, 2006 5:29 PM   
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Like thousands, perhaps millions of others, I saw An Inconvenient Truth, and was impressed. I was tempted to cast my vote for him for president for about ten minutes.

But there are other questions. He did support NAFTA. He did support the first Gulf War. He did several other things that the corporate elite would love to see in their funded candidates. We can't afford any more puffball resistance to the Chicago Boys and that ilk. We need a thoroughgoing change in the politico-economic apparatus in this country. Voting for halfhearted, half-vast candidates will no longer cut it.

Sorry, guys, but I will vote for Nader or his replacement in the election run of 2008. With the multiple crises at hand, of which global warming is but one, we need radical, throughgoing change. We don't have many years left to do it.

At least the cockroaches will be happy if we blow it again.

Paul McDowell

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» RE: The Other Questions about Gore Posted by: larryfhilton
how about Gore for God?
Posted by: mwildfire on Jul 13, 2006 6:14 PM   
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this whole comment line has me shaking my head. Yes, I saw Inconvenient Truth and thought it had good clear graphs and video, but that's about it. Mostly it was a campaign commercial for Gore, who did nothing while VP for 8 years--and by the way, has he YET divested his half a million dollars worth of stock in Occidental Oil?
How about Feingold? Why couldn't Kucinich get taken seriously? How about Cynthia McKinney?
Yeah I know--no one who is not on The Team can get near the Presidency...and if you are on the Team, you can get it twice even if you're a crack-addled idiot sociopath, a chimp on a leash held by Darth Cheney, a guy who had never done anything useful or been held accountable in his life.
I think all you people who are so in love with Gore should appoint a responsible person as your Power of Attorney in financial matters, right away.
Cynic

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Hillary The Media Darling
Posted by: larryfhilton on Jul 14, 2006 12:18 AM   
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C'mon people, anyone who wonders why the mainstream media keeps pushing the idea of Hillary as the Dems next presidential candidate has to be incredibly dense. They keep writing about her, and thus pushing her candidacy, for two reasons:
1) She is absolutely, incontestably unelectable.
2) Anything with the name Clinton in its headline sells.
It's just simple logic: Mainstream media is driven only by money. money from big time corporate sponsors; corporations don't want a Democrat elected President; the name Clinton attracts readers/viewers, and therefore more corporate sponsors at higher fees. Presto, in Hillary the media has the perfect storm!
Look for more and more coverage of Hillary until, hopefully, the people speak and an electable candidate wins enough primaries to be nominated.
P.S. As for the politicos who support Hillary, they are not just dense, they also have a psychotic death wish!

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Gore already RAN for president. Remember?
Posted by: mokidugway on Jul 14, 2006 12:35 AM   
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How many of you progressives supported him then? I seem to recall that many of you felt that he was an establishment drone, unthinkable as a candidate because he did not adhere to strong priniciples.

Now you like him? Now he's okay? What, because of INCONVENIENT TRUTH?

This is really getting depressing. The left needs to stop chasing after unicorns--Candidate CHOMSKY, for crying out loud!--and seize the mantle of responsibility.

Gore and Kerry both would have seemed like better candidates if they had the enthusiastic support of progressives.

But you guys cannot give unqualified support to a candidate who isn't ideal, even when his opponent is intent on gutting the federal government, stacking the courts with conservatives, and starting a war against the Islamic world. You still sit around wringing your hands and crying about principle and ideological purity.

Gore would make a fine president. I already voted for him once and would vote for him again. I happen to like the guy.

But you folks are going to find all kinds of problems with him if he does make it to the 2008 primaries, because you hate candidates as soon as they acquire enough power to win national elections, and you are going to throw your support to whatever nympth or elf or other cuddly or gruff but righteous creature comes along.

And no, I'm not a "troll"--another mythological creature, by the way. I've just been following politics long enough to be able to predict certain things with a startling measure of accuracy.

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Why Trolls run amuck on Alternet.org...
Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Jul 14, 2006 12:50 AM   
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The previous poster makes a very good point about the purity trolls at alternet-- the greenies who hate all Dems, who spout gloom&doom and conspiracies, and troll to discourage change, participation, and thoughtful activism. Now, this week, Alternet is overrun by a whole bunch of Republican spouting trolls. It's interesting that while these trolls are here en masse in the past couple of weeks, suddenly the greenie trolls have disappeared. Could they be one and the same under different sock puppets? Sure seems strange.

It's particularly fascinating in light of the fact that this article states that 70% of Alternet readers are Dems, only 7% are Greens, and 1% are Rethugicans. This site is overrun by trolls, disproportionate to the readership and not at all reflective of it.

It must be the effectiveness and excellence of Alternet that has attracted them here, in a coordinated manner, to try to blunt what they fear to be a powerful informational and organizational tool of left of center. Otherwise they wouldn't bother being here, spouting their idiotic nonsense, wasting our time with their total b.s. which would make for good satire if Comedy Central and Stephen Colbert didn't do such a good job of it.

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Keep doin' what you doin'.....
Posted by: dikaiosyne on Jul 14, 2006 7:11 AM   
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I just love to read all the laudatory nonsense for the likes of ALGORE (certifiably NUTZ) Noam Chomsky (left wing looney emeritus) and Molly Ivins (left wing political pundit and most MA-FUG-LY Bush bashin' douchebag). It tells me that the most extreme fringes of the leftwing have gone over the edge of the cliff. Keep picking these kinds of folks to "lead the way" politically and the GOP will have another couple of decades to work out their political problems. I have no fears that the GOP will lose anything in the fall because liberal Democrats have nothing to base political campaigns on. Bush hating just ain't going to do it for ya'.

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Dream On, Losers
Posted by: shinseiji on Jul 14, 2006 7:13 AM   
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Gore has no intention of running for anything important.

Otherwise he wouldn't be faking-left as he is now.

The people who are actually are being groomed to exercise real political power pitch to Wall Street and the warmongers, just like Bill Clinton in 1992. And then he still needed Perot to split the Republicans.

When are you clueless Dem leftists going to wake up to how the system really works?

Why do you keep misrepresenting how this system works to the American people? Ever wonder why Americans despise the left?

Because they despise as political cowards leftists who hide in a conservative party like the Democrats - the Republicans are a radical right party, not conservative - they want to "change things", and that's why unfortunately they get more political respect from the American people, who also want to change things! Radically!

But the only "radicals" they see are the Republicans!

No wonder all you Dem (or is that just Dum) leftists confuse us independent left radicals with the Repubs - we are the only other radicals that Americans see on the scene.

But you all will be invisible as usual, lining up behind Hillary or whatever gets nominated in 2008.

Yeah, whatever - That's your politics!

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» RE: Dream On, Losers Posted by: xbj
Al Gore is not going to run.
Posted by: nestacal on Jul 14, 2006 8:58 AM   
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Who would want to after GWB screwed up the whole United States, screwed up the whole world? Who would really like to be the president of the U.S.???

I will tell you that if John Kerry, John Edwards, or sombody who has had some sort of a peaceful thing in his mind and heart the end of the world is right around the corner! I think that John Kerry with his experience behind him in the war of Vietnam, together with all of his experiences on the Hill, would make a difference in our world. I thought that they would have made a very good pair in our whitehouse, but with all the preachers behind GWB, until they saw the real George Bush, last summer when the hurricanes hit LA. Miss, and AL, all of the Iraq war which was a mistake to rattle the cages over there in the first place, and after all of the debagos that our poor people have to put up with having to pay about three times what they were paying just to travel to work, and after all of the shake up at the whitehouse, with all of his friends going down the tubes, I don't have any faith in him anymore. The Oil was to pay for the war....or so he said. I wonder how America the land of the free can go on!

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Gore
Posted by: Alex Zeka on Jul 15, 2006 2:42 PM   
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I'm pleased to see that Gore is so popular. He has distinguished himself as perhaps the only pol willing to say: Come Home America. Certainly a change from Clinto-clone, White House days. Even his enviro-nuttism, though mistaken, comes from the right place: a deep abiding reverence for the natural, traditional world.

Still, do any of you find him personally scary, a sort of caricature of a preppy geek?

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» Enviro-nuttism? Posted by: fifthworld
» RE: Gore Posted by: allthingslucid
response to poll
Posted by: laurenc on Jul 19, 2006 7:58 PM   
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Our question should be who can the masses of Americans support--not who do WE like. I admire Gore like everyone else but his style doesn't work with "regular" people--look what the media did to him in 2000. John Edwards is the one candidate that the Republicans really feared we'd be smart enough to choose. As far as progressives, my vote goes to Michael Parenti.

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Really..
Posted by: blackinjun on Jul 19, 2006 10:23 PM   
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U "opinon makers" ought to read and really hear and give credit to what non european thinkers have to say..take a look at the world, you who run the world really need another cosmology, among other things....but then again, that's an impossibility because then you wouldn't be you, even the "progressive liberal good white folk" in their mind have a really hard time taking that step "down."

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