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Readers Speak: Gore, Chomsky and Ivins Are Winners
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Gore, whose popularity appears to be growing with the success of his documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, received 35 percent of the vote, followed by Senator Russ Feingold at 20 percent and former vice presidential candidate John Edwards at 11 percent. Wesley Clark received 4 percent, and John Kerry and Mark Warner 2 percent.
The big surprise in the survey is that Senator Hillary Clinton, whom many in the corporate media suggest is the front runner for the nomination, only received 7 percent of the vote. This is particularly surprising since 53 percent of the survey respondents were women. One possible reason for Senator Clinton's poor showing and Gore's popularity is that 24 percent of our survey participants chose the war in Iraq as their top priority issue. Hillary Clinton has not shown any leadership on the issue or been among those pushing for an end to the bloodshed.
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Molly Ivins ran away with 38 percent of the vote for Best Opinion Writer, followed by New York Times columnist Paul Krugman at 17 percent and Arianna Huffington at 10 percent.
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Posted by: nbrown on Jul 13, 2006 12:15 AM
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Second, Molly Ivins is one of the most ineffectual writers on the planet. Her op-eds are so predictable as to earn her a place in the status-quo.
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» RE: hmm... I disagree with hmm...
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» Don't feed the trolls....
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» RE: Don't feed the trolls....
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» RE: hmm
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» RE: hmm, your wrong, Bush, now there's an anarchist.
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» RE: hmm, your wrong, Bush, now there's an anarchist.
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» Absolutely - furthermore
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» RE: Absolutely - furthermore
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» RE: Absolutely - furthermore
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» RE: Absolutely - furthermore
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» RE: Read Crimes Against Humanity by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. - bush IS an anarchist
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» RE: How about: Bush is a Christo Fascist?
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» RE: hmm, your wrong, Bush, now there's an anarchist.
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» RE: hmm, your wrong, Bush, now there's an anarchist.
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» RE: hmm, your wrong, Bush, now there's an anarchist.
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» RE: hmm, I am a progressive anarchist
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» RE: hmm, I am a progressive anarchist
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» Chomsky is a left-libertarian AS WELL AS an anarchist.
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» Comrade Noam
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Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 13, 2006 2:14 AM
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What I worry about is this: things look bad for the Republicans and everyone knows the Bush failings ad nauseum. But the Republicans do have an ace up their sleave (apart from being able to rig elections): and that is they are clear about what the conflict is, and how serious it is. If the Democrats could give a coherant position on this, and show they can back it up with a plan and actions, then Gore would be a shu in.
I shall draw your attention to the UK Labour Party. Under Tony Blair, the Labour Party probably reflects Democrat politics as they would like it to be. But what is interesting is that the party is divided and unable to hold together over what to do, it is melting down rapidly. Blair has committed troops to the war on terror. He has tried to pass legislation to tackle islamic fascism in the UK - which is a big problem - but has been thwarted by his party at every turn.
What has been disgraceful since the bombings of 7/7 has been the cowardly behaviour of the party and the left. They have wanted to bury the whole attack and keep telling people to 'forget about it' and move on. 'Oh, and by the way, more like that is on the way, but hey, smile and go to work!'. I don't find that an acceptable response nor one that addresses the long-term risks. The victims of the bombings have been treated disgracefully, given a mere few thousand pounds each for life-long disabilities or the death of a loved one. This compares poorly with the victims of 9/11, who were generously helped.
So, that's how Dems deal with conflict in the 21st century: they are irresponsible, callous, childish and in the end, not adult enough for the responsibilities of the office of President.
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» RE: Gore is a winner - if he doesn't lose
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» RE: Gore is a winner - if he doesn't lose
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» Gore is a loser because he didn't win.
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» RE: R U and idiot or a clown? Or an idiot with a clown face?
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» Let me offer a more reasoned rebuttal...
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» You mostly make a lot of sense I have to admit
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» RE: You mostly make a lot of sense I have to admit
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» 7/7 bogus
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» RE: Gore is a winner
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» How do we de-escalate this global catastrophy?
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» RE: How do we de-escalate this global catastrophy?
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 13, 2006 2:50 AM
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Dear Mr. President, or "Al", if you'll allow me to be informal: Should you read this please forgive me for bolting the democrats for Ralph Nader in 2000. Even though you won my state handily that year, I still feel somehow complicit in your defeat
I should have known better with a guy like you. That I would love everything that you do. And I do. Hey! Hey! Hey! And I do! [Brief harmonica interlude]
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Tom Degan's Daily Rant
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 13, 2006 2:52 AM
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Dear Mr. President, or "Al", if you'll allow me to be informal: Should you read this please forgive me for bolting the democrats for Ralph Nader in 2000. Even though you won my state handily that year, I still feel somehow complicit in your defeat
I should have known better with a guy like you. That I would love everything that you do. And I do. Hey! Hey! Hey! And I do! [Brief harmonica interlude]
Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Tom Degan's Daily Rant
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» Sorry for the double posting
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» RE: It's ok.Trolls need to read it twice to understand.
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» Actually
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Posted by: greentime on Jul 13, 2006 3:59 AM
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Many spin meisters have been saying that Gore had tons of power and didn't do what he could with it under Clinton.
If Gore had so much power, then why was the election he truly won, stolen out from under him?
Bush/Clinton/Bush... sold us ALL out and Gore may not have been able to have been more effective under Clinton. After all, who was?
But Gore has stepped up - and put his beliefs and his science on the line. He has stepped forward, admitted his flaws, and has changed. That takes a conscience and a great mind. He IS leading and in a great way, he IS being a world leader and a world-class leader at that. Why not get behind him and help him do more of the great work he is already doing?
If you think we can afford to play more brutal games of character assassination... think again. There are two ass-es in that word. Folks, we are out of time.
Hear this, I'll say it again...
FOLKS, WE ARE OUT OF TIME.
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» RE: Gore is the real leader, Molly is a joy to read, Chomsky woke up a lot of sleeping wide awakes
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» That's weird
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Posted by: custersbud on Jul 13, 2006 4:15 AM
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» RE: un Al. PLEASE!
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» RE: un Al. PLEASE!
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» RE: un Al. PLEASE!
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» RE: un Al. PLEASE!
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» RE: un Al. PLEASE!
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» Wow, Thanks Covservasaurus!
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» RE: Wow, Thanks Covservasaurus!
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» RE: Wow, Thanks Covservasaurus!
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» RE: Wow, Thanks Covservasaurus!
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Posted by: rsaxto on Jul 13, 2006 4:16 AM
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Posted by: jcutler9 on Jul 13, 2006 4:45 AM
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windy in wv
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» RE: Hillary as candidate
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» RE: Hillary as candidate
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» It wasn't a "Poll".....
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Posted by: deo508 on Jul 13, 2006 5:05 AM
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» RE: But will it play in Peoria?
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» RE: But will it play in Peoria?
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» Oh get away
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» RE: Forgot to add, You thilly!
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Posted by: jcutler9 on Jul 13, 2006 5:14 AM
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windy
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» RE: Gore as president
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Posted by: dmstern on Jul 13, 2006 5:21 AM
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» RE: HILLARY AS PRES IS A BOGUS MSM FABRICATION
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» RE: HILLARY AS PRES IS A BOGUS MSM FABRICATION
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» RE: HILLARY AS PRES IS A BOGUS MSM FABRICATION
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» Some explanations
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Posted by: xbj on Jul 13, 2006 6:52 AM
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And he is far too ethical to follow down the Lieberman Bushwar-fellating path that Hillary is tightrope walking without a net.
No, President Gore is just too smart and too ethical to ever be Amerika's President, and Amerika doesn't deserve him.
Just the same, he shows us all, and the entire world, what could have been, and to his credit, without shoving our faces in it.
A good man, in a very evil dying Empire with not a whole hell of a lot of time left.
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» RE: President Gore is too smart and too ethical to run
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» RE: President Gore is too smart and too ethical to run
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» Repetition
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» RE: epetition
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» RE: repetition
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» RE: repetition, now there's a concept, yours?
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» RE: President Gore is too smart and too ethical to run
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» RE: President Gore is too smart and too ethical to run
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» RE: President Gore is too smart and too ethical to run
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» RE: President Gore is too smart and too ethical to run
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» RE: President Gore is too smart and too ethical to run
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» RE: President Gore is too smart and too ethical to run
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» RE: President Gore is too smart and too ethical to run
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» RE: Curtail Freedom of Speech?
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» RE: Curtail Freedom of Speech?
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Posted by: fifthworld on Jul 13, 2006 7:22 AM
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Seriously, if Gore wouldn't stand up for a recount in 2000, don't be thinking that, just because he's an environmental catastrophist (which is good) he's going to be able to do anything right in the arena of stolen elections. Or that anyone else would either. Read Palast about the hijinx on '08. It's over.
Build arks locally.
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» RE: Don't let Gore fool you, he's a woos
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» RE: Don't let Gore fool you, he's a woos
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» RE: Don't let Gore fool you, he's a woos
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» RE: Don't let Gore fool you, he's a woos
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» RE: Don't let Gore fool you, he's a woos
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» RE: Removing Al Gore just when he is pertinent is a bad idea
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» Bingo
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» RE: Bingo
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» RE: Don't let Gore fool you, he's a woos
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» RE: Don't let Gore fool you, he's a woos
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» The lexicography of the word "wuss"
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» Grandstandicography; or lexiporn
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» RE: Grandstandicography; or lexiporn
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» RE: Grandstandicography; or lexiporn
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» RE: Grandstandicography; or lexiporn
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Posted by: popsicle67 on Jul 13, 2006 7:24 AM
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» RE: Interesting group
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jul 13, 2006 8:37 AM
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If he chooses to run in 2008 it his for the taking.
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» RE: GORE NEEDS TO MAKE HIS INTENTIONS CLEAR
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» How much are you gettting
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» RE: How much are you gettting
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» RE: How much are you gettting
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» RE: How much are you gettting
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» RE: GORE NEEDS TO MAKE HIS INTENTIONS CLEAR
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Posted by: happybear on Jul 13, 2006 8:49 AM
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The Flag is just a piece of cloth that holds no more reverence than a terry towel. Pride in Country is in each of us, and if it is shaken by simple damage or misuse of a symbol, then it is very shallow pride, indeed.
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Posted by: garyoke on Jul 13, 2006 9:05 AM
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» RE: Make BILL the FIRST PLAYER!
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» Troll, troll on a roll
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Posted by: notrab68 on Jul 13, 2006 9:39 AM
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» RE: What the...?!
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Posted by: porgygirl on Jul 13, 2006 10:34 AM
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Pardon? Are you saying that women are to be expected to vote for an uninspiring, pro-war candidate just because she's female? Now I'm curious: did most of her 7% come from female survey takers?
The statement quoted above reminded me a bit of 1988, when part of the reason Dan Quayle was added to the ticket was that his good looks would supposedly appeal to women voters.
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» RE: excuse me?
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Posted by: Road on Jul 13, 2006 12:23 PM
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July 2006: A Message to All Patriotic Americans
Dear Fellow Citizens:
Draft Gore was established in 2001 to right a wrong that in retrospect seems monumentally simplistic: the wrong candidate – the losing candidate – was installed to the highest office in the land in January of 2001. We believed the Supreme Court majority decision was politically motivated. We still believe it.
But we never anticipated the widespread effects of this administration’s extraordinary assault upon our Constitutional principles. Along with the rest of the country, we witnessed an accelerated turn toward the dark and soulless side of humanity. Crime and corruption at the highest levels of government. The willful debasement of our ethical code. The concentration of power and wealth in the hands of the few at the expense of the many. Erosion of free speech and a muzzled press. The cavalier destruction of our society – and of our world.
In short, we have watched in horror as an endless cloud of dissension, war, poverty, ignorance, fear and uncertainty has descended over the past six years.
During this time, one clear truth has emerged above all others: There is a leader who stands untarnished by political expedience. A leader who can shepherd us out of an unholy nightmare and back onto the path to constructive statesmanship. A leader with the ability and the conscience to relight the world’s beacon of freedom.
Al Gore is that leader.
Draft Gore respects the former Vice President’s statements that he has no plans to run. We hold him in high esteem for his many remarkable achievements as a private citizen, not the least of which are his voice as the national conscience and his effort to save the planet itself.
We also believe that Al Gore’s true calling is at the helm of our nation. Only then can he put the full power of his ideas for a better America to work.
By this petition, we are pleading with him to run for the Presidency of the United States in 2008. We urge you to help us formalize the recent groundswell of public opinion by signing the petition and encouraging others to sign. Only by joining as one voice can we hope to influence this most crucial decision.
Thank you.
The Draft Gore 2008 Committee
Petition at:
http://www.draftgore.com/
It's great to see so much interest in, and support for, Al Gore. Thanks to all those who sign and forward the petition. -- Road
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Posted by: robbb3rt on Jul 13, 2006 12:33 PM
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Posted by: American Reflections on Jul 13, 2006 2:08 PM
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She's MY gal, all the way!!!
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Posted by: JoshNarins on Jul 13, 2006 2:11 PM
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Nice to think there are more out there.
I admit, my favoring Gore feels naive, and is definitely, in part, driven by pragmatism (I'm simply too much of an unknown at this point to win, I regret to inform you I (so far) haven't done anything to change this).
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Posted by: Reader11722 on Jul 13, 2006 2:23 PM
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Bush's impeachable offenses, include but not limited to: Patriot Act, violation of 1st Amendment by caging peaceful protestors and forcing book outltes to drop the book "America Deceived" by E.A. Blayre III, violation of 4th Amendment by illegally wire-tapping ALL PHONES and starting an illegal war.
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Posted by: politmuse1 on Jul 13, 2006 3:22 PM
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http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/algore2008/
Thank you.
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Posted by: fool-on-the-hill on Jul 13, 2006 4:59 PM
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» RE: As things turned out, it's a good thing for Gore that the Bushites stole the Presidency from him
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» RE: As things turned out, it's a good thing for Gore that the Bushites stole the Presidency from him...
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Posted by: paulanthropus on Jul 13, 2006 5:29 PM
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But there are other questions. He did support NAFTA. He did support the first Gulf War. He did several other things that the corporate elite would love to see in their funded candidates. We can't afford any more puffball resistance to the Chicago Boys and that ilk. We need a thoroughgoing change in the politico-economic apparatus in this country. Voting for halfhearted, half-vast candidates will no longer cut it.
Sorry, guys, but I will vote for Nader or his replacement in the election run of 2008. With the multiple crises at hand, of which global warming is but one, we need radical, throughgoing change. We don't have many years left to do it.
At least the cockroaches will be happy if we blow it again.
Paul McDowell
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» RE: The Other Questions about paulanthropus that even the Dept. of Nitpicks prosecuted him for
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Posted by: mwildfire on Jul 13, 2006 6:14 PM
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How about Feingold? Why couldn't Kucinich get taken seriously? How about Cynthia McKinney?
Yeah I know--no one who is not on The Team can get near the Presidency...and if you are on the Team, you can get it twice even if you're a crack-addled idiot sociopath, a chimp on a leash held by Darth Cheney, a guy who had never done anything useful or been held accountable in his life.
I think all you people who are so in love with Gore should appoint a responsible person as your Power of Attorney in financial matters, right away.
Cynic
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» RE: Ok, Gore is God, now get on your knees for him
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Posted by: larryfhilton on Jul 14, 2006 12:18 AM
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1) She is absolutely, incontestably unelectable.
2) Anything with the name Clinton in its headline sells.
It's just simple logic: Mainstream media is driven only by money. money from big time corporate sponsors; corporations don't want a Democrat elected President; the name Clinton attracts readers/viewers, and therefore more corporate sponsors at higher fees. Presto, in Hillary the media has the perfect storm!
Look for more and more coverage of Hillary until, hopefully, the people speak and an electable candidate wins enough primaries to be nominated.
P.S. As for the politicos who support Hillary, they are not just dense, they also have a psychotic death wish!
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Posted by: mokidugway on Jul 14, 2006 12:35 AM
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Now you like him? Now he's okay? What, because of INCONVENIENT TRUTH?
This is really getting depressing. The left needs to stop chasing after unicorns--Candidate CHOMSKY, for crying out loud!--and seize the mantle of responsibility.
Gore and Kerry both would have seemed like better candidates if they had the enthusiastic support of progressives.
But you guys cannot give unqualified support to a candidate who isn't ideal, even when his opponent is intent on gutting the federal government, stacking the courts with conservatives, and starting a war against the Islamic world. You still sit around wringing your hands and crying about principle and ideological purity.
Gore would make a fine president. I already voted for him once and would vote for him again. I happen to like the guy.
But you folks are going to find all kinds of problems with him if he does make it to the 2008 primaries, because you hate candidates as soon as they acquire enough power to win national elections, and you are going to throw your support to whatever nympth or elf or other cuddly or gruff but righteous creature comes along.
And no, I'm not a "troll"--another mythological creature, by the way. I've just been following politics long enough to be able to predict certain things with a startling measure of accuracy.
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Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Jul 14, 2006 12:50 AM
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It's particularly fascinating in light of the fact that this article states that 70% of Alternet readers are Dems, only 7% are Greens, and 1% are Rethugicans. This site is overrun by trolls, disproportionate to the readership and not at all reflective of it.
It must be the effectiveness and excellence of Alternet that has attracted them here, in a coordinated manner, to try to blunt what they fear to be a powerful informational and organizational tool of left of center. Otherwise they wouldn't bother being here, spouting their idiotic nonsense, wasting our time with their total b.s. which would make for good satire if Comedy Central and Stephen Colbert didn't do such a good job of it.
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Posted by: dikaiosyne on Jul 14, 2006 7:11 AM
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Posted by: shinseiji on Jul 14, 2006 7:13 AM
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Otherwise he wouldn't be faking-left as he is now.
The people who are actually are being groomed to exercise real political power pitch to Wall Street and the warmongers, just like Bill Clinton in 1992. And then he still needed Perot to split the Republicans.
When are you clueless Dem leftists going to wake up to how the system really works?
Why do you keep misrepresenting how this system works to the American people? Ever wonder why Americans despise the left?
Because they despise as political cowards leftists who hide in a conservative party like the Democrats - the Republicans are a radical right party, not conservative - they want to "change things", and that's why unfortunately they get more political respect from the American people, who also want to change things! Radically!
But the only "radicals" they see are the Republicans!
No wonder all you Dem (or is that just Dum) leftists confuse us independent left radicals with the Repubs - we are the only other radicals that Americans see on the scene.
But you all will be invisible as usual, lining up behind Hillary or whatever gets nominated in 2008.
Yeah, whatever - That's your politics!
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Posted by: nestacal on Jul 14, 2006 8:58 AM
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I will tell you that if John Kerry, John Edwards, or sombody who has had some sort of a peaceful thing in his mind and heart the end of the world is right around the corner! I think that John Kerry with his experience behind him in the war of Vietnam, together with all of his experiences on the Hill, would make a difference in our world. I thought that they would have made a very good pair in our whitehouse, but with all the preachers behind GWB, until they saw the real George Bush, last summer when the hurricanes hit LA. Miss, and AL, all of the Iraq war which was a mistake to rattle the cages over there in the first place, and after all of the debagos that our poor people have to put up with having to pay about three times what they were paying just to travel to work, and after all of the shake up at the whitehouse, with all of his friends going down the tubes, I don't have any faith in him anymore. The Oil was to pay for the war....or so he said. I wonder how America the land of the free can go on!
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Still, do any of you find him personally scary, a sort of caricature of a preppy geek?
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Posted by: nbrown on Jul 13, 2006 12:15 AM
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Second, Molly Ivins is one of the most ineffectual writers on the planet. Her op-eds are so predictable as to earn her a place in the status-quo.
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Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 13, 2006 2:14 AM
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What I worry about is this: things look bad for the Republicans and everyone knows the Bush failings ad nauseum. But the Republicans do have an ace up their sleave (apart from being able to rig elections): and that is they are clear about what the conflict is, and how serious it is. If the Democrats could give a coherant position on this, and show they can back it up with a plan and actions, then Gore would be a shu in.
I shall draw your attention to the UK Labour Party. Under Tony Blair, the Labour Party probably reflects Democrat politics as they would like it to be. But what is interesting is that the party is divided and unable to hold together over what to do, it is melting down rapidly. Blair has committed troops to the war on terror. He has tried to pass legislation to tackle islamic fascism in the UK - which is a big problem - but has been thwarted by his party at every turn.
What has been disgraceful since the bombings of 7/7 has been the cowardly behaviour of the party and the left. They have wanted to bury the whole attack and keep telling people to 'forget about it' and move on. 'Oh, and by the way, more like that is on the way, but hey, smile and go to work!'. I don't find that an acceptable response nor one that addresses the long-term risks. The victims of the bombings have been treated disgracefully, given a mere few thousand pounds each for life-long disabilities or the death of a loved one. This compares poorly with the victims of 9/11, who were generously helped.
So, that's how Dems deal with conflict in the 21st century: they are irresponsible, callous, childish and in the end, not adult enough for the responsibilities of the office of President.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 13, 2006 2:50 AM
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Dear Mr. President, or "Al", if you'll allow me to be informal: Should you read this please forgive me for bolting the democrats for Ralph Nader in 2000. Even though you won my state handily that year, I still feel somehow complicit in your defeat
I should have known better with a guy like you. That I would love everything that you do. And I do. Hey! Hey! Hey! And I do! [Brief harmonica interlude]
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 13, 2006 2:52 AM
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Dear Mr. President, or "Al", if you'll allow me to be informal: Should you read this please forgive me for bolting the democrats for Ralph Nader in 2000. Even though you won my state handily that year, I still feel somehow complicit in your defeat
I should have known better with a guy like you. That I would love everything that you do. And I do. Hey! Hey! Hey! And I do! [Brief harmonica interlude]
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Posted by: greentime on Jul 13, 2006 3:59 AM
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Many spin meisters have been saying that Gore had tons of power and didn't do what he could with it under Clinton.
If Gore had so much power, then why was the election he truly won, stolen out from under him?
Bush/Clinton/Bush... sold us ALL out and Gore may not have been able to have been more effective under Clinton. After all, who was?
But Gore has stepped up - and put his beliefs and his science on the line. He has stepped forward, admitted his flaws, and has changed. That takes a conscience and a great mind. He IS leading and in a great way, he IS being a world leader and a world-class leader at that. Why not get behind him and help him do more of the great work he is already doing?
If you think we can afford to play more brutal games of character assassination... think again. There are two ass-es in that word. Folks, we are out of time.
Hear this, I'll say it again...
FOLKS, WE ARE OUT OF TIME.
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Posted by: xbj on Jul 13, 2006 6:52 AM
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And he is far too ethical to follow down the Lieberman Bushwar-fellating path that Hillary is tightrope walking without a net.
No, President Gore is just too smart and too ethical to ever be Amerika's President, and Amerika doesn't deserve him.
Just the same, he shows us all, and the entire world, what could have been, and to his credit, without shoving our faces in it.
A good man, in a very evil dying Empire with not a whole hell of a lot of time left.
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Posted by: fifthworld on Jul 13, 2006 7:22 AM
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Seriously, if Gore wouldn't stand up for a recount in 2000, don't be thinking that, just because he's an environmental catastrophist (which is good) he's going to be able to do anything right in the arena of stolen elections. Or that anyone else would either. Read Palast about the hijinx on '08. It's over.
Build arks locally.
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Posted by: NoPCZone on Jul 13, 2006 8:37 AM
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If he chooses to run in 2008 it his for the taking.
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Posted by: happybear on Jul 13, 2006 8:49 AM
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The Flag is just a piece of cloth that holds no more reverence than a terry towel. Pride in Country is in each of us, and if it is shaken by simple damage or misuse of a symbol, then it is very shallow pride, indeed.
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Posted by: porgygirl on Jul 13, 2006 10:34 AM
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Pardon? Are you saying that women are to be expected to vote for an uninspiring, pro-war candidate just because she's female? Now I'm curious: did most of her 7% come from female survey takers?
The statement quoted above reminded me a bit of 1988, when part of the reason Dan Quayle was added to the ticket was that his good looks would supposedly appeal to women voters.
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Posted by: Road on Jul 13, 2006 12:23 PM
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July 2006: A Message to All Patriotic Americans
Dear Fellow Citizens:
Draft Gore was established in 2001 to right a wrong that in retrospect seems monumentally simplistic: the wrong candidate – the losing candidate – was installed to the highest office in the land in January of 2001. We believed the Supreme Court majority decision was politically motivated. We still believe it.
But we never anticipated the widespread effects of this administration’s extraordinary assault upon our Constitutional principles. Along with the rest of the country, we witnessed an accelerated turn toward the dark and soulless side of humanity. Crime and corruption at the highest levels of government. The willful debasement of our ethical code. The concentration of power and wealth in the hands of the few at the expense of the many. Erosion of free speech and a muzzled press. The cavalier destruction of our society – and of our world.
In short, we have watched in horror as an endless cloud of dissension, war, poverty, ignorance, fear and uncertainty has descended over the past six years.
During this time, one clear truth has emerged above all others: There is a leader who stands untarnished by political expedience. A leader who can shepherd us out of an unholy nightmare and back onto the path to constructive statesmanship. A leader with the ability and the conscience to relight the world’s beacon of freedom.
Al Gore is that leader.
Draft Gore respects the former Vice President’s statements that he has no plans to run. We hold him in high esteem for his many remarkable achievements as a private citizen, not the least of which are his voice as the national conscience and his effort to save the planet itself.
We also believe that Al Gore’s true calling is at the helm of our nation. Only then can he put the full power of his ideas for a better America to work.
By this petition, we are pleading with him to run for the Presidency of the United States in 2008. We urge you to help us formalize the recent groundswell of public opinion by signing the petition and encouraging others to sign. Only by joining as one voice can we hope to influence this most crucial decision.
Thank you.
The Draft Gore 2008 Committee
Petition at:
http://www.draftgore.com/
It's great to see so much interest in, and support for, Al Gore. Thanks to all those who sign and forward the petition. -- Road
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She's MY gal, all the way!!!
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Posted by: JoshNarins on Jul 13, 2006 2:11 PM
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Nice to think there are more out there.
I admit, my favoring Gore feels naive, and is definitely, in part, driven by pragmatism (I'm simply too much of an unknown at this point to win, I regret to inform you I (so far) haven't done anything to change this).
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Posted by: Reader11722 on Jul 13, 2006 2:23 PM
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Bush's impeachable offenses, include but not limited to: Patriot Act, violation of 1st Amendment by caging peaceful protestors and forcing book outltes to drop the book "America Deceived" by E.A. Blayre III, violation of 4th Amendment by illegally wire-tapping ALL PHONES and starting an illegal war.
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http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/algore2008/
Thank you.
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» RE: As things turned out, it's a good thing for Gore that the Bushites stole the Presidency from him
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» RE: As things turned out, it's a good thing for Gore that the Bushites stole the Presidency from him...
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Posted by: paulanthropus on Jul 13, 2006 5:29 PM
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But there are other questions. He did support NAFTA. He did support the first Gulf War. He did several other things that the corporate elite would love to see in their funded candidates. We can't afford any more puffball resistance to the Chicago Boys and that ilk. We need a thoroughgoing change in the politico-economic apparatus in this country. Voting for halfhearted, half-vast candidates will no longer cut it.
Sorry, guys, but I will vote for Nader or his replacement in the election run of 2008. With the multiple crises at hand, of which global warming is but one, we need radical, throughgoing change. We don't have many years left to do it.
At least the cockroaches will be happy if we blow it again.
Paul McDowell
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» RE: The Other Questions about Gore
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Posted by: mwildfire on Jul 13, 2006 6:14 PM
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How about Feingold? Why couldn't Kucinich get taken seriously? How about Cynthia McKinney?
Yeah I know--no one who is not on The Team can get near the Presidency...and if you are on the Team, you can get it twice even if you're a crack-addled idiot sociopath, a chimp on a leash held by Darth Cheney, a guy who had never done anything useful or been held accountable in his life.
I think all you people who are so in love with Gore should appoint a responsible person as your Power of Attorney in financial matters, right away.
Cynic
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» RE: Ok, Gore is God, now get on your knees for him
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» RE: Ok, Gore is God, now get on your knees for him
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Posted by: larryfhilton on Jul 14, 2006 12:18 AM
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1) She is absolutely, incontestably unelectable.
2) Anything with the name Clinton in its headline sells.
It's just simple logic: Mainstream media is driven only by money. money from big time corporate sponsors; corporations don't want a Democrat elected President; the name Clinton attracts readers/viewers, and therefore more corporate sponsors at higher fees. Presto, in Hillary the media has the perfect storm!
Look for more and more coverage of Hillary until, hopefully, the people speak and an electable candidate wins enough primaries to be nominated.
P.S. As for the politicos who support Hillary, they are not just dense, they also have a psychotic death wish!
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Posted by: mokidugway on Jul 14, 2006 12:35 AM
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Now you like him? Now he's okay? What, because of INCONVENIENT TRUTH?
This is really getting depressing. The left needs to stop chasing after unicorns--Candidate CHOMSKY, for crying out loud!--and seize the mantle of responsibility.
Gore and Kerry both would have seemed like better candidates if they had the enthusiastic support of progressives.
But you guys cannot give unqualified support to a candidate who isn't ideal, even when his opponent is intent on gutting the federal government, stacking the courts with conservatives, and starting a war against the Islamic world. You still sit around wringing your hands and crying about principle and ideological purity.
Gore would make a fine president. I already voted for him once and would vote for him again. I happen to like the guy.
But you folks are going to find all kinds of problems with him if he does make it to the 2008 primaries, because you hate candidates as soon as they acquire enough power to win national elections, and you are going to throw your support to whatever nympth or elf or other cuddly or gruff but righteous creature comes along.
And no, I'm not a "troll"--another mythological creature, by the way. I've just been following politics long enough to be able to predict certain things with a startling measure of accuracy.
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» RE: Gore already RAN for president. Remember?
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» RE: Gore already RAN for president. Remember?
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Posted by: doinaheckuvajob on Jul 14, 2006 12:50 AM
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It's particularly fascinating in light of the fact that this article states that 70% of Alternet readers are Dems, only 7% are Greens, and 1% are Rethugicans. This site is overrun by trolls, disproportionate to the readership and not at all reflective of it.
It must be the effectiveness and excellence of Alternet that has attracted them here, in a coordinated manner, to try to blunt what they fear to be a powerful informational and organizational tool of left of center. Otherwise they wouldn't bother being here, spouting their idiotic nonsense, wasting our time with their total b.s. which would make for good satire if Comedy Central and Stephen Colbert didn't do such a good job of it.
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Posted by: dikaiosyne on Jul 14, 2006 7:11 AM
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Posted by: shinseiji on Jul 14, 2006 7:13 AM
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Otherwise he wouldn't be faking-left as he is now.
The people who are actually are being groomed to exercise real political power pitch to Wall Street and the warmongers, just like Bill Clinton in 1992. And then he still needed Perot to split the Republicans.
When are you clueless Dem leftists going to wake up to how the system really works?
Why do you keep misrepresenting how this system works to the American people? Ever wonder why Americans despise the left?
Because they despise as political cowards leftists who hide in a conservative party like the Democrats - the Republicans are a radical right party, not conservative - they want to "change things", and that's why unfortunately they get more political respect from the American people, who also want to change things! Radically!
But the only "radicals" they see are the Republicans!
No wonder all you Dem (or is that just Dum) leftists confuse us independent left radicals with the Repubs - we are the only other radicals that Americans see on the scene.
But you all will be invisible as usual, lining up behind Hillary or whatever gets nominated in 2008.
Yeah, whatever - That's your politics!
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» RE: Dream On, Losers
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» RE: Can you repeat that? Someone else was making sense when you burped.
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Posted by: nestacal on Jul 14, 2006 8:58 AM
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I will tell you that if John Kerry, John Edwards, or sombody who has had some sort of a peaceful thing in his mind and heart the end of the world is right around the corner! I think that John Kerry with his experience behind him in the war of Vietnam, together with all of his experiences on the Hill, would make a difference in our world. I thought that they would have made a very good pair in our whitehouse, but with all the preachers behind GWB, until they saw the real George Bush, last summer when the hurricanes hit LA. Miss, and AL, all of the Iraq war which was a mistake to rattle the cages over there in the first place, and after all of the debagos that our poor people have to put up with having to pay about three times what they were paying just to travel to work, and after all of the shake up at the whitehouse, with all of his friends going down the tubes, I don't have any faith in him anymore. The Oil was to pay for the war....or so he said. I wonder how America the land of the free can go on!
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Posted by: Alex Zeka on Jul 15, 2006 2:42 PM
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Still, do any of you find him personally scary, a sort of caricature of a preppy geek?
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