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Far Right Thugs Go Mainstream

By Glenn Greenwald, AlterNet. Posted July 11, 2006.


The recent 'payback' tactics of right-wing bloggers listing the names and addresses of 'leftist' enemies could mark the beginning of incivil politics.

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As is true for many lawyers who have defended First Amendment free speech rights, I have represented several groups and individuals with extremist and even despicable viewpoints (in general, and for obvious reasons, it is only groups and individuals who espouse ideas considered repugnant by the majority which have their free speech rights threatened). Included among this group were several White Supremacist groups and their leaders, including one such group -- the World Church of the Creator -- whose individual members had periodically engaged in violence against those whom they considered to be the enemy (comprised of racial and religious minorities along with the "race traitors" who were perceived to defend them).

One of the favorite tactics used by such groups is to find the home address and telephone number of the latest enemy and then publish it on the Internet, accompanied by impassioned condemnations of that person as a Grave Enemy, a race traitor, someone who threatens all that is good in the world. A handful of the most extremist pro-life groups have used the same tactic. It has happened in the past that those who were the target of these sorts of demonization campaigns that included publication of their home address were attacked and even killed.

But these intimidation tactics work even when nothing happens. Indeed, these groups often publish the enemy's home address along with some cursory caveat that they are not encouraging violence. The real objective is the same one shared by all terrorists -- to place the person in paralyzing fear. The goal is to force the individual, as they lay in bed at night, to be preoccupied with worry that there is some deranged individual who read one of the websites identifying them as the enemy and which provided their address and who believes that they can strike some blow for their Just Cause by visiting their home and harming or killing them. The fear that they are vulnerable in their own home lurks so prominently and relentlessly in a person's mind that it can be as effective as a physical attack in punishing someone or intimidating them.

This thuggish tactic of intimidation -- publicly railing against someone's grave crimes and then publishing their home address -- has been creeping out of the most extremist precincts on the Right and is becoming increasingly common among mainstream right-wing individuals and organizations.

This weekend, prominent neoconservative David Horowitz proclaimed that the United States is fighting a war and "the aggressors in this war are Democrats, liberals and leftists." In particular, he cited the now infamous NYT Travel section article on Dick Cheney and Don Rumsfeld's vacation homes as evidence that the employees of the NYT are among the enemies in this war, and he then linked to and recommended as a "proposal for action" this post from his associate, Front Page contributor Rocco DiPippo. The post which Horowitz recommended was entitled "Where Does Punch Sulzberger Live?" and this is what it said:


I issue a call to the blogosphere to begin finding and publicly listing the addresses of all New York Times reporters and editors. Posting pictures of their residences, along with details of any security measures in place to protect the properties and their owners (such as location of security cameras and on-site security details) should also be published.

DiPippo published the home address of NYT Publisher Arthur Sulzberger, along with directions to his home, and linked to a post by right-wing blogger Dan Riehl which contained directions to Sulzberger's home along with photographers of it. In a now-deleted post, DiPippo also published the home address of Linda Spillers, the NYT photographer who took the photograph of Don Rumsfeld's vacation home (with Rumsfeld's express permission), and he urged everyone to go (presumably to the home address he provided) and confront Spillers about her actions.

That was not an isolated incident. This week, Bartholomew's Official Notes on Religion reported on the new "project" implemented by the group StopTheACLU.org. As that group describes it, the project is called "Expose the ACLU Plaintiffs," and promises to publish the home addresses of all individuals who are "using the ACLU" in any First Amendment lawsuit based on the Establishment clause which challenges the constitutionality of governmental promotion of Christianity. The first such enemy targeted for this treatment is a Jewish family in Delaware who sued their local school district over its alleged promotion of Christianity in the public schools. StopTheACLU published their home address and telephone number on its website, and the family -- due to all sorts of recriminations and fear of escalating attacks -- was forced to leave their home and move to another town, which was one of the apparent goals of StopTheACLU in publishing their home address.

Stop the ACLU is not some fringe, isolated group. To the contrary, the "official blog" of StopTheACLU.org is StopTheACLU.com (h/t Hunter), a very prominent player in the right-wing blogosphere. That blog is the 14th most-linked-to blog on the Internet, and is often promoted and approvingly cited to as a source by numerous right-wing bloggers such as Instapundit and Michelle Malkin. The blog Expose the Left (which aspires to be the C&L of the Right), yesterday condemned the "nutcases on the left side of the blososphere" who "are sending unfounded attacks" against StopTheACLU for this plainly despicable thug behavior.

These self-evidently dangerous tactics are merely a natural outgrowth of the hate-mongering bullying sessions which have become the staple of right-wing television shows such as Bill O'Reilly's and websites such as Michelle Malkin's (who, unsurprisingly, has become one of O'Reilly's favorite guests). One of the most constant features of these hate fests is the singling out of some unprotected, private individual -- a public school teacher here, a university administrator there -- who is dragged before hundreds of thousands of readers (or millions of viewers), accused of committing some grave cultural crime or identified as a subversive and an enemy, and then held out as the daily target of unbridled contempt, a symbol of all that is Evil.

Malkin frequently includes contact information for the identified Enemies, and O'Reilly often shows photographs or video of them on multiple programs. These bullying tactics of intimidation -- whereby people who are often just private individuals and who have no defenses (as opposed to, say, prominent politicians or media figures) are singled out for widespread public rituals of contempt -- have quite foreseeable consequences, chief among them placing those targets in fear of retribution. Publishing the home addresses of such individuals is not some wholly different approach, but is merely the next small and foreseeable step, an obvious outgrowth of the hate sessions on which many leading representatives of the Right now heavily rely.

And it is not only those who engage in the tactics themselves who bear responsibility for the consequences, but also those who offer coldly bureaucratic indifference towards these tactics, or even an implicit defense of them. While numerous right-wing bloggers commented this weekend on the truly inane attacks against the NYT Travel article, none (at least that I read) condemned Horowitz for promoting the campaign to publish the home addresses of editors and reporters of the Times. They had much to say about the Evil that is the NYT, but nothing to say about this extraordinary and despicable campaign perfected by extremist groups on the Right and now promoted by Horowitz and groups such as StopTheACLU, to intimidate and endanger journalists and private individuals by collecting and publishing their home addresses.

Beyond merely failing to condemn these tactics, Glenn "Instapundit" Reynolds yesterday deliberately defended them by arguing that they are no different than what the NYT did in its Travel article. Reynolds attacked a post written this weekend by Reason's Dave Weigel, in which Weigel condemned publication of the home address of the NYT photographer. Reynolds -- who pointedly avoided condemning Horowitz and publication of Spiller's home address -- quoted and then attacked Weigel's condemnation as "incoherent":

As so often happens with these things, angry bloggers have struck back and posted the addresses and phone numbers of the Times' photogs. (No link.)

No link? Why not? By Weigel's standards, a link wouldn't contribute to invasion of privacy. Anybody can find that stuff, right?

And if anybody can find that stuff, why's he so upset about publishing office phone numbers of public officials?

In order to avoid criticizing his comrades on the Right who are engaging in thug tactics, Reynolds actually equates discussion of the vacation homes of top government officials (who enjoy the most extensive and high-level security on the planet) with publication of the home addresses of private individuals and journalists (who have no security of any kind). By his reasoning, mentioning that the Vice President has a vacation home on the Eastern Shore of Maryland is no different than publishing the home address of private individuals who are publicly identified as traitors.

And, lo and behold, the Right's tactics of intimidation against private individuals are reduced by the conniving Reynolds into nothing more than a common and innocuous invasion of privacy of which the NYT and many others are also guilty. And with that corrupt equivalency established, Reynolds is able to posts on these matters without condemning the Right's thug tactics, and in fact, implicitly defends them by suggesting that they are rather innocuous and common and nothing to get excited about.

And revealingly, in choosing which villains to criticize from this weekend's treason accusations against the NYT and the thug tactics they inspired, Reynolds chooses Weigel for attack. But he has nothing to say about Horowitz and company for their newly announced campaign "to begin finding and publicly listing the addresses of all New York Times reporters and editors."

As people like Horowitz, Malkin and Reynolds well know -- and just as my most extremist former White Supremacist clients well knew -- if you throw burning matches at gasoline enough times, an explosion is inevitable. The rhetoric of treason -- accusing individuals and organizations of aiding and abetting our nation's enemies and even waging war on this country -- is a lit match. After all, the widely accepted penalty for traitors is execution, which is why it is such an inflammatory yet increasingly common accusation being hurled by the Right against their domestic "enemies" (for precisely the same reason, the favorite accusation of the World Church of the Creator was to label someone a "race traitor," since everyone knows what should be done with traitors).

Openly speculating about whether journalists and politicians are guilty of treason has become unbelievably common of late. And when those accusations are paired with publication of the traitor's home address, the intended result is both obvious and inevitable. Anyone who endorses those tactics in any way -- or who plays cute, coy games in finding ways to justify or minimize them -- knows exactly what they are doing.

As the Bush movement collapses, it is only to be expected that its more fevered adherents will resort to increasingly extremist rhetoric and tactics, out of frustration and anger, if for no other reason. The penetration of these thug tactics into increasingly mainstream venues on the Right is one of the more glaring, and more disturbing, developments of late.

UPDATE: In response to several comments here, let me be clear that I do not believe that the despicable statements referenced in this post can or should be grounds for criminal or civil liability. For reasons I set forth in comments here, here and here, the First Amendment should bar (and the Supreme Court has held it does bar) the imposition of liability based on the consequences flowing from the expression of protected political speech. The point is that these statements are despicable and dangerous, not illegal. The persons who engage in such tactics, or who defend them, bear the ethical and moral responsibilites -- but not legal liability -- for what they spawn.


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Glenn Greenwald is a constitutional law attorney and chief blogger at Unclaimed Territory. His forthcoming book, How Would a Patriot Act: Defending American Values from a President Run Amok will be released by Working Assets Publishing next month.

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Is this just the beginning?
Posted by: viking on Jul 11, 2006 1:01 AM   
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"As the Bush movement collapses, it is only to be expected that its more fevered adherents will resort to increasingly extremist rhetoric and tactics, out of frustration and anger, if for no other reason."

Alvin Toffler said in Future Shock back in 1970 that, as change continues to accelerate in the world, many groups who are unable to cope with the change will become more conservative, more fundamentalist, more angry and hostile as they feel left behind.

We see this in America, we see it in Islam, and we see it elsewhere. In Iraq, innocent people who are labeled "the others" are dragged from cars and shot on a daily basis.

As the political pendulum continues to swing in this country from the extreme it has been at, look for more and more of these rabid retribution acts by the Right to take place. Look for more fear-mongering from their leaders to incite fear and anger in the faithful. (The recent "terrorist busts" are examples.) No one knows at this point how bad it could get, and to what length some of these people might go.

What concerns me is that, unlike most other polarized areas in the world, Americans own many guns. Many, many guns.

As the worldview of the Right continues to crumble in the face of reality, many of them will be looking to blame someone for the 'evil' that has befallen their world. And, what group might be hatefully blamed?

We already witness the first inklings of what may come in alternet's blogs. More than once, I've thought that it is good that one or another irrational angry rightwinger isn't in a roomful of "liberals" with a loaded gun.

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» RE: Is this just the beginning? Posted by: ChristopherLL
death squads are coming
Posted by: wli on Jul 11, 2006 1:23 AM   
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1. Neo-Nazis given free passes into the military en masse...
2. Huge Julius Streicher -type propaganda campaigns inciting violence against "leftists" ...
3. Huge military/police harassment (and more, e.g. COINTELPRO revivals, though hushed up) campaigns against "leftists" ...

I saw all this coming before fraud '04 even. I called it Bush's "Pinochet option." Alternatively one could call it "banana republification" (not that anyone remembers the Banana Wars)

I'd love to be proven wrong (sadly, my negative predictions are usually guarded enough to come true). I don't have the foggiest idea what, if anything can be done to stop any of it from happening. As far as I can tell we're at Bush's mercy here, and that bodes not well.

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» RE: death squads are coming Posted by: Conservasaurus
» we DON'T know that at all Posted by: Scientz
» Scientz - your being TROLLED....*LOL* Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: Scientz - your being TROLLED....*LOL* Posted by: disgustedandamused
» RE: death squads are coming Posted by: albiegf13
The left failed to grasp the consequences of its actions
Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 11, 2006 2:20 AM   
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Lets go back in time six years. At that time the left was agitating across the globe for a stop to global trade talks, and for massive increases in third world aid. This led to ever-more violent demonstrations at any international meeting. The world's leaders were chased down and hounded by protesters.

Then 9/11 came. The heated anti-globalisation rhetoric had now met the heat of the exploding airplanes going into the world trade centres. You can't put a piece of paper between the babblings of Osama and most leftist, anti-globalisation rhetoric. Osama knows who he is speaking to, and he is smart enough to co-opt this language to lay out his grievances. This is only amplified when groups like the New Left Review re-package his rantings in a nice glossy book and sell it with subscriptions to the magazine. It legitimises his beliefs.

So now lets look at all this from the perspective of security for the western world and the global economic system. You have violent protesters hounding every meeting. You have violent islamic fundamentalists co-opting their language and launching violent attacks, including the most audacious terrorist act in human history. And you are surprised the 'system' has freaked out?

The left needs to clear its head and wake up to the consequences of violent rhetoric. If you shake the bee hive, then you will get stung. Islamic fundamentalists are not a good fellow traveller, yet many left and anti-war coalitions have lined up with them (my enemy's enemy is my friend). That was a really bad move. Islamic fascists have no love for leftists and would off them as soon as they got power. We saw this in Iran after the revolution, and we are seeing this in Iraq.

Bush may be spying on the 'net, but there is still free expression in the US and most western countries. You would have worse under an islamic regime, or under a western government that has tried to make peace with militant islam. Be aware of those dangers and think more clearly as to where your and our interests lie: free society, free economy and free market, global trade rules, trade across borders.

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» Alternatively, you could call it... Posted by: ABetterFuture
» Idiotic Posted by: taxidave
» Poor taxidave! Posted by: HeroesAll
» I'd like to point out Posted by: russianblue1
» Returning Posted by: russianblue1
» "Even" historians? Posted by: HeroesAll
» terrorists weather Posted by: russianblue1
» Bobsays, "irrationality R us!" Posted by: fool-on-the-hill
» RE: Bobsays, "irrationality R us!" Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Ridiculous connection Posted by: brunowe
» ssegallmd breaks moratorium !!! Posted by: Conservasaurus
» SHIRLEY, YOU JEST Posted by: LMNOP
Right-Wing NAZIs are COWARDS
Posted by: fiskhus on Jul 11, 2006 5:06 AM   
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Right-wing NAZIs are Cowards. They don't serve in the military - frequently, they don't even have the courage to vote.

But they hate. They hate themselves and everyone around them. They hate the dawn and the sunsets. They live priviliged lives filled with expensive possessions and advantages and they hate both those who are less advantaged and those who struggled to give them their advantages and privileges.

If we do not stand up and expose these antiChristian, antiAmericans for the lying, stinking excrement they are, we will lose this great country and everything good about her.

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» "Nazi" no, "fascist" yes Posted by: Krotos
» RE: "Nazi" no, "fascist" yes Posted by: Ghoulman
The State of the Nation
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 11, 2006 6:06 AM   
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Isn't it amazing what these deplorable half-wits have done to our national political conversation? One longs for the calm and measured tones of an Eric Severeid of an Edward R. Murrow but those days are long gone, aren't they? It is a frightening prospect to realize that the opinions of so many Americans are shaped by the likes of Bill O'Riely, Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity. This is where the so-called "Reagan Revolution" of the 1980s has brought us. Is it any wonder that we are the laughingstock of the planet?

This is also the result of the deregulation of the FCC. There used to be something called the Fairness Doctrine which gaurenteed that both sides of any political issue would be aired for all to see and judge. That all ended in 1981. Is it a surprise that twenty five years later, if the average American's political IQ gets any lower, "we'll have to water him twice a day" (Thank you, Molly Ivins!)

That should be one of the first orders of buisness of the 110th Congress when it convenes in January of 2007 - assuming that it will be democratically controlled - to put some muscle back into the FCC. The corporations who control so much of the airwaves should be forced - BY LAW - to sell their holdings.

Seriously, aren't you sick to death of Clear Channel?

That is the only way we'll be able to bring some diversity back to the national political dialogue.

Pray for peace.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

Tom Degan's Daily Rant
http://tomdegan.blogspot.com/

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» Go FOX NEWS!!! Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Look, ma, a troll! (n/t) Posted by: Krotos
» RE: Go FOX NEWS!!! Posted by: willymack
» RE: Go FOX NEWS!!! Posted by: HeroesAll
» RE: Go FOX NEWS!!! Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: Go FAUX NEWS!!! Posted by: Againstthewindwalking
» RE: Go FOX NEWS!!! Posted by: Gma1
» RE: Go FOX NEWS!!! Posted by: LMNOP
Our culture is changing
Posted by: daw13 on Jul 11, 2006 6:26 AM   
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When a US president oversees oppression and torture, and this policy receives little real response from WE THE PEOPLE, our society shifts away from the rule of law and toward the rule of the ____(you can fill in the blank youself). Hate group targetings may or may not be actual Rovian devices, but they must please him immensely.

The only answer to the trend this article implies is real grassroots organization. At the moment there is no adequate source for this. Moveon and Kos might be, conceivably, if they are not themselves Rovian devices. At the moment, both operate more as social clubs, delivering money and some physical support to politicians a small group of gurus decide should receive it. But real inclusion of members in strategizing is neither sought nor encouraged. This non-praxist approach may gain some short term results of questionable value, but does not facilitate organization building. If Moveon and Kos members understand this they can turn elsewhere to build the grassroots organization needed at this time. Unfortunately, most seem to feel that what they are doing is all that needs to be done.

Hate group targeting, and other developments on the extreme right are developing with remarkable speed and efficiency. The Left must learn to respond very quickly as well. Identifying ineffective, and even fake activism among ourselves is a crucial step in this direction.

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and they ARE getting into the military
Posted by: aislinnluv on Jul 11, 2006 7:18 AM   
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recruitment has been unable to fill the ranks of the military and so (i read just yesterday) recruiters are turning their heads and avoiding the question of whether or not the warm bodies they are trying to suck into the ranks are neo-nazis, skinheads, people with some criminal record - people who, previously, would not have been allowed into the armed services. it may be that the atrocities we are hearing about don't lie soley at the feet of men and women who are battle-fatigued and psychologically scarred, but possibly have been committed by people who went in with the attitude that they could act out their hatefulness.

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Liberals... the Juden of the Fourth Reich
Posted by: xbj on Jul 11, 2006 7:26 AM   
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Can you see it painted across windshields of cars? Broken windows of houses, apartments, and condos?

I can. As Haliburton builds the camps.

Democracy. It's the new Nazism.

Fascism. It's what's for dinner.

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Yes, life is getting uglier and darker in the U.S.
Posted by: indy675 on Jul 11, 2006 7:34 AM   
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Like another poster here, I saw this coming in the late Spring of 2004. I, too, predict that it is going to get worse, much worse.

Yes, there are plenty of guns out there, and for the first time in my life, I own one of them and will not hesitate to defend myself and my family.

The wingers are making s serious mistake if they believe that all liberals will act like Gandhi, if faced with crazed haters who decide that liberals, or anyone whom they perceive to be liberal, is the enemy.

The second amendment, which we hear about non-stop from the right-wing, was written for a time just like this, when the first amendment is being shredded, along with quite a few others.

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it's only a threat if you think you're alone
Posted by: Spot on Jul 11, 2006 8:12 AM   
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so if we have their addresses, can't we counter the terror of threats by writing letters of support? can't we use their 'weapon' as a tool to fortify our activists?

these folks are doing us a favor by collecting our addresses. let's take advantage of it and move our support of progressive causes into the world of paper.

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» That's right! Posted by: Lauren
“Godforsaken.”
Posted by: shangrilalad on Jul 11, 2006 8:37 AM   
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As someone who has been the target of the Rabid Right's tactics of intimidation, let me assure you, don’t expect any help from the police. If your property is vandalized, or if you get threatening anonymous phone calls, or even thinly veiled threats from small town acquaintances you can’t even name, the police have nothing to go on and will likely treat you as a crackpot.

Political dissent is especially dangerous in rural America for liberal outsiders. I moved to small coastal town in Oregon to retire because it was pretty and the cost of living was less than big city suburbs. Big Mistake. The locals were a tight knit group of rightwing political and religious fanatics who called me “Godforsaken.”

I shook the dust of that town from my feet in a hurry.

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NOT grounds for criminal or civil liability?
Posted by: Ghoulman on Jul 11, 2006 9:25 AM   
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... I say some people need better lawyers... and more guts.

Sue them. Sue them to Hell and back.

There's a point where free speach becomes hate speach and a threat to the happiness of American citizens. Considering the number of US people in jail, under surveillance, harrassed by the cops, FBI, CIA, INF, and more agencies with letters I can't bother to name, then having well connected groups (I'm looking at you PNAC) making open calls for violence... hints or not... it is clear that laws are broken and civil suits should be accepted by the courts.

The Wilson/Plame CIA case is a prime example, though covered by the treason laws.

Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Coulter, and the rest are a part of the whole hate meme created daily by well connected neocons like Horowitz and people right in the White House. These people aren't playing politics, they are attacking any American who disagrees with them and are, without a shadow of a doubt, conspiring to cause violence against even the most American of institutions.

Attack the ACLU? I've seen this happen online a lot and it's disgusting and unAmerican to the extreem. What result could possibly come of such hate mongering? What RESULT your honour?

When the King shouts: "Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?"

You can be sure a certain priest will show up dead the next day.

Cyber cookies to anyone who gets that quote, and it's context with this article. :)

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» DING DING DING, a winner!!! Posted by: Ghoulman
What is and is not protected speech?
Posted by: Krotos on Jul 11, 2006 10:00 AM   
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I read Mr. Greenwald's reasons as to why this kind of thing is not and should not be illegal. I'm not a lawyer, but in my layman's opinion it seems to me that he's not making fine enough distinctions between speech which is hateful of a certain group, or even a certain individual, and speech which is clearly intended to incite harrassment of an individual in his or her private life and make them fear violent retribution.

For example, consider the following continuum of statements:

Statement A: "Right-wing pundits are fascists and loons."

Statement B: "David Horowitz is a fascist and loon."

Statement C: "David Horowitz is a fascist and loon, and by the way, here's his home address."

Statement D: "David Horowitz is a fascist and loon, and by the way, here's his home address, and here's where his kids go to school, along with their class schedule."

Statement E: "David Horowitz is a fascist and loon, and by the way, here's his home address, and here's where his kids go to school and their class schedule and directions to their bus stop, and here's the nursing home where his ailing 89-year-old mother lives, along with directions to her room and her Social Security number."

Statements A and B, in my opinion, clearly should be protected speech. About Statement C I'm ambivalent -- on the one hand, it seems like an invasion of privacy; on the other, Horowitz is a public figure, and thus by much legal precedent has less rights in that regard than a truly obscure person would. One could argue the same of the publisher of the New York Times. It's like those maps to movie stars' homes you can buy in Hollywood. I certainly think that publishing the home address of a public figure is objectionable from an ethical point of view, but I can believe that it's protected constitutionally.

By Statement D, I'm starting to have real trouble thinking this is the kind of thing the crafters of the First Amendment had in mind. Not only is Horowitz's privacy being invaded, but so is that of other people. And Statement E, in my view, really crosses the line. Wouldn't his mother be justified in suing whoever published this information for invasion of privacy, intentional infliction of emotional distress, etc.?

-K.Ai.-

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Free Speech is Free Speech
Posted by: Reader11722 on Jul 11, 2006 2:45 PM   
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It is morally wrong to give out addresses but it must not be criminal. Free speech must be upheld. In Germany, David Irving must be freed and Ernst Zundel's trial must be halted in the name of Free Speech. In America, the gov't must stop pressuring book outlets to remove the book "America Deceived" by E.A. Blayre III from the shelves and the gov't must cease detaining harmless protestors. We need to work on upholding all speech, especially the type we despise.
Final link (in case gov't censors lean on Google Books):
http://www.iuniverse.com
/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0

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» RE: Free Speech is Free Speech Posted by: HeroesAll
70's radicalism
Posted by: worquo on Jul 11, 2006 3:38 PM   
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there have been times( the early 70's were one of those times), when there was an element of the left wing that had no problem with wreaking a little havoc, in various forms, on oppressive and right wing adversaries.
Perhaps it is time again.

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AS IT Should BE
Posted by: glorybe on Jul 11, 2006 8:34 PM   
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Obviously in a melting pot type of culture the founders intended that the public be able to apply strong social pressure upon people with different beliefs or view points. A melting pot scalds its lobsters! So the idea that any group that is unhappy with a person's views or statements be able to surround their homes and make them feel very, very uncomfortable falls within the definitions of a free and democratic society even when a certain degree of danger travels with such actions. In the founders' days the idea of demanding a duel to the death because a person failed to attend the churches that were supported by the community would have fallen within custom and law. The Constitution only restrained the government from actions such as this and not members of the public.
Personally I'm not at all a right wing advocate. I prefer the left. And the left can and should harden up and be able to dish out any treatments that the right wing might offer. It is not just the abortion doctor whose address might be made public. The pro life protestor might just find themselves surrounded just as easily. Maybe it is time for the pro choice people to bankrupt a few businesses owned by pro life types. It's all fair game.

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A very scary article
Posted by: lafrance on Jul 11, 2006 9:22 PM   
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in light of what did happen to one of Malkin's victims. She jumped. and amazingly, the traditional media has not reported the disgusting consequences of Malkin and her minions.
However, one good thing is that John Dean just published a book about the hatemongers and thier minions. Why the right is so vicious and hateful and at times beyond reason. Whipped into a rightious fury for thier cause. This should prove to be a very insightful book for those of us who are trying to understand what is going on and why people are acting as they are.

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PLEASE! NEVER use road signs in political discourse.
Posted by: Monde on Jul 13, 2006 1:14 AM   
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By continuing to refer to the Juggernaut as The Right or its members as "Right Wingers" you are aiding and abetting "the enemy" (well, THEY declared the damn culture war, not US... I used to be leery of referring to them as "the enemy" but they've more than earned it by now as this article well proves. )

People, especially those of below-average intelligence, and those whose attention spans are attenuated - do take in info with parts of their minds that are not wholly awake. You DO parse data sub- or un-consciously. Even while asleep - especially if a TV set is on...

You can bet people like Karl Rove know the advantage to pushing mass identity with the phrases "the right" and "right-wing". When capitalized, it is even more effective for them, adding a subtle form of recognition and credibility as a "phenomenon" via proper-noun use.

This is a late comment, among hundreds, likely never to be seen, but if even ONE SINGLE free-thinking blogger reads this and understands my serious plea to STOP CALLING THESE PEOPLE "THE RIGHT" - and indeed stops calling them that! I will have not wasted my time.

English is a homonym and multi-meaning filled language. The words "Right" and "Left" as they apply to politics originated in Europe over 200 years ago and had to do with the seating in the Parliament. The representatives of the non-rich sat on the left side and on the right side, their equivalent of our Corporatists, the rich lords and barons, sat. This has little relevance today.

But "right" is not just a word meaning "politically authoritarian and conservative" - or the direction seen on a map as "east"; it also means CORRECT, it also means "Yes, affirmative". As a noun a right is something felt deserved automatically due to widespread recognition of its necessity: i.e. "Bill of Rights" we or "rights and liberties".

LEFT, on the, um, other hand...well, lots of us know about the word "sinister" - it meant "left handed". And now means EVIL. "Left-hand" occultists are "black mages". The Left Behind books/movies/video games/etc. have a nasty political/religious joke in that title; your conscious mind probably never even noticed it until now, didn't it? LEFT BEHIND. Cute.

To be "left" by someone means "abandoned"; "leftovers" are cold, old food we feel obligated to eat so we don't waste it but it's hardly tasty. "Left back" means you failed school and have to retake the grade. LEFT is ALWAYS freighted with badness. RIGHT, ditto, but with goodness. So few have noticed this or comment on it!

This could have been intentional lingo-design; or not. It doesn't matter.What matters is that it's been messing with our heads for HUNDREDS of years now. It's time to DROP these terms, because it's like handing a weapon to the enemy and saying "Here. You can hit us while we think we are attacking YOUR agenda" Because most never notice, or if they do, think, surely people understand the difference between "right and left", and "right and wrong?" RIGHT?

WRONG. UNDER the thinking mind is a subtler kind of brain activity that absorbs info and processes it WITHOUT THOUGHT or analysis.

PLEASE STOP USING THE TERMS "the Right", "The Religious Right," and "Right Wing." Replace with: "The Wrong", "Dominionist Christians/Theocrats", "Corporatists". "The Shrubbery", etc. Use your imagination. ALSO replace the words "Left" and Left-Wing" with "Progressive", "Libertarian" or even "Liberal"--there is NO SHAME in being Liberal, which means "of or pertaining to FREEDOM", ask the next jerk who takes you to task for being a liberal to look it up - after asking them if they believe in "freedom".

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» You sold me! Posted by: alterhead
tinman
Posted by: tinman on Jul 13, 2006 5:32 PM   
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looks like a long two more years supreme court came down on him he has to divert attention somewhere the new york times stuck their neck out

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Funny, I've Seen That Happen Here
Posted by: Joe Ox on Jul 17, 2006 9:42 AM   
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Conservatives here have had names posted with threats. Guess its ok for the gentile progressives to do it.

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