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A Modern-Day Tyrant?

By Javier Corrales, Foreign Policy. Posted July 26, 2006.


Part provocateur, part CEO and part electoral wizard, his critics believe Hugo Chávez has updated tyranny for today.

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As the 20th century drew to a close, Latin America finally seemed to have escaped its reputation for military dictatorships. The democratic wave that swept the region starting in the late 1970s appeared unstoppable. No Latin American country except Haiti had reverted to authoritarianism. There were a few coups, of course, but they all unraveled, and constitutional order returned. Polls in the region indicated growing support for democracy, and the climate seemed to have become inhospitable for dictators.

Then came Hugo Chávez, elected president of Venezuela in December 1998. The lieutenant colonel had attempted a coup six years earlier. When that failed, he won power at the ballot box and is now approaching a decade in office. In that time, he has concentrated power, harassed opponents, punished reporters, persecuted civic organizations, and increased state control of the economy. Yet, he has also found a way to make authoritarianism fashionable again, if not with the masses, with at least enough voters to win elections. And with his fiery anti-American, anti-neoliberal rhetoric, Chávez has become the poster boy for many leftists worldwide.

Many experts, and certainly Chávez's supporters, would not concede that Venezuela has become an autocracy. After all, Chávez wins votes, often with the help of the poor. That is the peculiarity of Chávez's regime. He has virtually eliminated the contradiction between autocracy and political competitiveness.

What's more, his accomplishment is not simply a product of charisma or unique local circumstances. Chávez has refashioned authoritarianism for a democratic age. With elections this year in several Latin American states -- including Mexico and Brazil -- his leadership formula may inspire like-minded leaders in the region. And his international celebrity status means that even strongmen outside of Latin America may soon try to adopt the new Chávez look.

The democratic disguise

There are no mass executions or concentration camps in Venezuela. Civil society has not disappeared, as it did in Cuba after the 1959 revolution. There is no systematic, state-sponsored terror leaving scores of desaparecidos, as happened in Argentina and Chile in the 1970s. And there is certainly no efficiently repressive and meddlesome bureaucracy à la the Warsaw Pact. In fact, in Venezuela, one can still find an active and vociferous opposition, elections, a feisty press, and a vibrant and organized civil society. Venezuela, in other words, appears almost democratic.

But when it comes to accountability and limits on presidential power, the picture grows dark. Chávez has achieved absolute control of all state institutions that might check his power. In 1999, he engineered a new constitution that did away with the Senate, thereby reducing from two to one the number of chambers with which he must negotiate. Because Chávez only has a limited majority in this unicameral legislature, he revised the rules of congress so that major legislation can pass with only a simple, rather than a two-thirds, majority. Using that rule, Chávez secured congressional approval for an expansion of the Supreme Court from 20 to 32 justices and filled the new posts with unabashed revolucionarios, as Chavistas call themselves.

Chávez has also become commander in chief twice over. With the traditional army, he has achieved unrivaled political control. His 1999 constitution did away with congressional oversight of military affairs, a change that allowed him to purge disloyal generals and promote friendly ones. But commanding one armed force was not enough for Chávez. So in 2004, he began assembling a parallel army of urban reservists, whose membership he hopes to expand from 100,000 members to 2 million. In Colombia, 10,000 right-wing paramilitary forces significantly influenced the course of the domestic war against guerrillas. Two million reservists may mean never having to be in the opposition.

As important, Chávez commands the institute that supervises elections, the National Electoral Council, and the gigantic state-owned oil company, PDVSA, which provides most of the government's revenues. A Chávez-controlled election body ensures that voting irregularities committed by the state are overlooked. A Chávez-controlled oil industry allows the state to spend at will, which comes in handy during election season.

Chávez thus controls the legislature, the Supreme Court, two armed forces, the only important source of state revenue, and the institution that monitors electoral rules. As if that weren't enough, a new media law allows the state to supervise media content, and a revised criminal code permits the state to imprison any citizen for showing "disrespect" toward government officials. By compiling and posting on the Internet lists of voters and their political tendencies -- including whether they signed a petition for a recall referendum in 2004 -- Venezuela has achieved reverse accountability. The state is watching and punishing citizens for political actions it disapproves of rather than the other way around. If democracy requires checks on the power of incumbents, Venezuela doesn't come close.

Polarize and conquer

Chávez's power grabs have not gone unopposed. Between 2001 and 2004, more than 19 massive marches, multiple cacerolazos (pot-bangings), and a general strike at PDVSA virtually paralyzed the country. A coup briefly removed him from office in April 2002. Not long thereafter, and despite obstacles imposed by the Electoral Council, the opposition twice collected enough signatures -- 3.2 million in February 2003 and 3.4 million in December 2003 -- to require a presidential recall referendum.

But that was as far as his opponents got. Chávez won the referendum in 2004 and deflated the opposition. For many analysts, Chávez's ability to hold on to power is easy to explain: The poor love him. Chávez may be a caudillo, the argument goes, but unlike other caudillos, Chávez approximates a bona fide Robin Hood. With inclusive rhetoric and lavish spending, especially since late 2003, Chávez has addressed the spiritual and material needs of Venezuela's poor, which in 2004 accounted for 60 percent of the country's households.

Yet reducing Chávez's political feats to a story about social redemption overlooks the complexity of his rule -- and the danger of his precedent. Undeniably, Chávez has brought innovative social programs to neighborhoods that the private sector and the Venezuelan state had all but abandoned to criminal gangs, though many of his initiatives came only after he was forced to compete in the recall referendum. He also launched one of the most dramatic increases in state spending in the developing world, from 19 percent of gross domestic product in 1999 to more than 30 percent in 2004. And yet, Chávez has failed to improve any meaningful measure of poverty, education, or equity. More damning for the Chávez-as-Robin Hood theory, the poor do not support him en masse. Most polls reveal that at least 30 percent of the poor, sometimes even more, disapprove of Chávez. And it is safe to assume that among the 30 to 40 percent of the electorate that abstains from voting, the majority have low incomes.

Chávez's inability to establish control over the poor is key to understanding his new style of dictatorship -- call it "competitive autocracy." A competitive autocrat has enough support to compete in elections, but not enough to overwhelm the opposition. Chávez's coalition today includes portions of the poor, the bulk of the thoroughly purged military, and many long-marginalized leftist politicians. Chávez is thus distinct from two other breeds of dictators: the unpopular autocrat who has few supporters and must resort to outright repression, and the comfortable autocrat, who faces little opposition and can relax in power. Chávez's opposition is too strong to be overtly repressed, and the international consequences of doing so would in any case be prohibitive. So Chávez maintains a semblance of democracy, which requires him to outsmart the opposition. His solution is to antagonize, rather than to ban. Chávez's electoral success has less to do with what he is doing for the poor than with how he handles organized opposition. He has discovered that he can concentrate power more easily in the presence of a virulent opposition than with a banned opposition, and in so doing, he is rewriting the manual on how to be a modern-day authoritarian. Here's how it works.

Attack Political Parties: After Chávez's attempt to take power by way of coup failed in 1992, he decided to try elections in 1998. His campaign strategy had one preeminent theme: the evil of political parties. His attacks on partidocracia were more frequent than his attacks against neoliberalism, and the theme was an instant hit with the electorate. As in most developing-country democracies, discontent with existing parties was profound and pervasive. It attracted the right and the left, the young and old, the traditional voter as well as the nonvoter. Chávez's antiparty stand not only got him elected, but by December 1999 also allowed him to pass one of the most antiparty constitutions among Latin American democracies. His plan to concentrate power was off to a good start.

Polarize Society: Having secured office, the task of the competitive autocrat is to polarize the political system. This maneuver deflates the political center and maintains unity within one's ranks. Reducing the size of the political center is crucial for the competitive autocrat. In most societies, the ideological center is numerically strong, a problem for aspiring authoritarians because moderate voters seldom go for extremists -- unless, of course, the other side becomes immoderate as well.

The solution is to provoke one's opponents into extreme positions. The rise of two extreme poles splits the center: The moderate left becomes appalled by the right and gravitates toward the radical left, and vice versa. The center never disappears entirely, but it melts down to a manageable size. Now, our aspiring autocrat stands a chance of winning more than a third of the vote in every election, maybe even the majority. Chávez succeeded in polarizing the system as early as October 2000 with his Decree 1011, which suggested he would nationalize private schools and ideologize the public school system. The opposition reacted predictably: It panicked, mobilized, and embraced a hard-core position in defense of the status quo. The center began to shrink.

Chávez's supporters, meanwhile, were energized and not inclined to quibble as he colonized institutional obstacles to his power. This energy within the movement is essential to the competitive autocrat, who actually faces a greater chance of internal dissent than unpopular dictators because his coalition of supporters is broader and more heterogeneous. So he must constantly identify mechanisms for alleviating internal tensions. The solution is simple: co-opt disgruntled troops through lavish rewards and provoke the opposition so that there is always a monster to rail against. The largesse creates incentives for the troops to stay, and the provocations eliminate incentives to switch sides.

Spread the Wealth Selectively: Those expecting Chávez's populism to benefit citizens according to need, rather than political usefulness, do not understand competitive autocracy. Chávez's populism is grandiose, but selective. His supporters will receive unimaginable favors, and detractors are paid in insults. Denying the opposition spoils while lavishing supporters with booty has the added benefit of enraging those not in his camp and fueling the polarization that the competitive autocrat needs.

Chávez has plenty of resources from which he can draw. He is, after all, one of the world's most powerful CEOs in one of the world's most profitable businesses: selling oil to the United States. He has steadily increased personal control over PDVSA. With an estimated $84 billion in sales for 2005, PDVSA has the fifth-largest state-owned oil reserves in the world and the largest revenues in Latin America after PEMEX, the Mexican state-oil company. Because PDVSA participates in both the wholesale and retail side of oil sales in the United States (it owns CITGO, one of the largest U.S. refining companies and gas retailers), it makes money whether the price of oil is high or low.

But sloshing around oil money isn't polarizing enough. Chávez needs conflict, and his recent expropriation of private land has provided it. In mid-2005, the national government, in cooperation with governors and the national guard, began a series of land grabs. Nearly 250,000 acres were seized in August and September, and the government announced that it intends to take more. The constitution permits expropriations only after the National Assembly consents or the property has been declared idle. Chávez has found another way -- questioning land titles and claiming that the properties are state-owned. Chávez supporters quickly applauded the move as virtuous Robinhoodism. Of course, a government sincerely interested in helping the poor might have simply distributed some of the 50 percent of Venezuelan territory it already owns, most of which is idle. But giving away state land would not enrage anyone.

Most expropriated lands will likely end up in the hands of party activists and the military, not the very poor. Owning a small plot of land is a common retirement dream among many Venezuelan sergeants, which is one reason that the military is hypnotized by Chávez's land grab. Shortly after the expropriations were announced, a public dispute erupted between the head of the National Institute of Lands, Richard Vivas, a radical civilian, and the minister of food, Rafael Oropeza, an active-duty general, over which office would be in charge of expropriations. No one expects the military to walk away empty-handed.

Allow the Bureaucracy to Decay, Almost: Some autocracies, such as Burma's, seek to become legitimate by establishing order; others, like the Chinese Communist Party, by delivering economic prosperity. Both types of autocracies need a top-notch bureaucracy. A competitive autocrat like Chávez doesn't require such competence. He can allow the bureaucracy to decline -- with one exception: the offices that count votes.

Perhaps the best evidence that Chávez is fostering bureaucratic chaos is cabinet turnover. It is impossible to have coherent policies when ministers don't stay long enough to decorate their offices. On average, Chávez shuffles more than half of his cabinet every year. And yet, alongside this bureaucratic turmoil, he is constructing a mighty electoral machine. The best minds and the brightest técnicos run the elections. One of Chávez's most influential electoral whizzes is the quiet minister of finance, Nelson Merentes, who spends more time worrying about elections than fiscal solvency. Merentes's job description is straightforward: extract the highest possible number of seats from mediocre electoral results. This task requires a deep understanding of the intricacies of electoral systems, effective manipulation of electoral districting, mobilization of new voters, detailed knowledge about the political proclivities of different districts, and, of course, a dash of chicanery. A good head for numbers is a prerequisite for the job. Merentes, no surprise, is a trained mathematician.

The results are apparent. Renewing a passport in Venezuela can take several months, but more than 2.7 million new voters have been registered in less than two years (almost 3,700 new voters per day), according to a recent report in El Universal, a pro-opposition Caracas daily. For the recall referendum, the government added names to the registry list up to 30 days prior to the vote, making it impossible to check for irregularities. More than 530,000 foreigners were expeditiously naturalized and registered in fewer than 20 months, and more than 3.3 million transferred to new voting districts.

Chávez's electoral strategists have also figured out how to game the country's bifurcated electoral system, in which 60 percent of officeholders are elected as individuals and the rest of the seats go to lists of candidates compiled by parties. The system is designed to favor the second-largest party. The party that wins the uninominal election loses some seats in the proportional representation system, which then get assigned to the second-largest party.

To massage this system, the government has adopted the system of morochas, local slang for twins. The government's operatives create a new party to run separately in the uninominal elections. And so Chávez's party avoids the penalty that would normally hit the party that wins in both systems. The benefit that would otherwise go to an opposition party gets captured instead by the same people that win the individual seats -- the precise outcome the system was designed to avoid. In the August 2005 elections for local office, for instance, Chávez's party secured 77 percent of the seats with only 37 percent of the votes in the city of Valencia. Without morochas, the government's share of seats would have been 46 percent. The legality of many of the government's strategies is questionable. And that is where controlling the National Electoral Council and the Supreme Court proves useful. To this day, neither body has found fault with any of the government's electoral strategies.

Antagonize the Superpower: Following the 2004 recall referendum, in which Chávez won 58 percent of the vote, the opposition fell into a coma, shocked not so much by the results as by the ease with which international observers condoned the Electoral Council's flimsy audit of the results. For Chávez, the opposition's stunned silence has been a mixed blessing. It has cleared the way for further state incursions, but it left Chávez with no one to attack. The solution? Pick on the United States.

Chávez's attacks on the United States escalated noticeably at the end of 2004. He has accused the United States of plotting to kill him, crafting his overthrow, placing spies inside PDVSA, planning to invade Venezuela, and terrorizing the world. Trashing the superpower serves the same purpose as antagonizing the domestic opposition: It helps to unite and distract his large coalition -- with one added advantage. It endears him to the international left.

All autocrats need international support. Many seek this support by cuddling up to superpowers. The Chávez way is to become a ballistic anti-imperialist. Chávez has yet to save Venezuela from poverty, militarism, corruption, crime, oil dependence, monopoly capitalism, or any other problem that the international left cares about. With few social- democratic accomplishments to flaunt, Chávez desperately needs something to captivate the left. He plays the anti-imperialist card because he has nothing else in his hand.

The beauty of the policy is that, in the end, it doesn't really matter how the United States responds. If the United States looks the other way (as it more or less did prior to 2004), Chávez appears to have won. If the United States overreacts, as it increasingly has in recent months, Chávez proves his point. Aspiring autocrats, take note: Trashing the United States is a low-risk, high-return policy for gaining support.

Controlled chaos

Ultimately, all authoritarian regimes seek power by following the same principle. They raise society's tolerance for state intervention. Thomas Hobbes, the 17th-century British philosopher, offered some tips for accomplishing this goal. The more insecurity that citizens face -- the closer they come to living in the brutish state of nature -- the more they will welcome state power. Chávez may not have read Hobbes, but he understands Hobbesian thinking to perfection. He knows that citizens who see a world collapsing will appreciate state interventions. Chávez therefore has no incentive to address Venezuela's assorted crises. Rather than mending the country's catastrophic healthcare system, he opens a few military hospitals for selected patients and brings in Cuban doctors to run ad hoc clinics. Rather than addressing the economy's lack of competitiveness, he offers subsidies and protection to economic agents in trouble. Rather than killing inflation, which is crucial to alleviating poverty, Chávez sets price controls and creates local grocery stores with subsidized prices. Rather than promoting stable property rights to boost investment and employment, he expands state employment.

Like most fashion designers, Chávez is not a complete original. His style of authoritarianism has influences. His anti-Americanism, for instance, is pure Castro; his use of state resources to reward loyalists and punish critics is quintessential Latin American populism; and his penchant for packing institutions was surely learned from several market-oriented presidents in the 1990s.

Chávez has absorbed and melded these techniques into a coherent model for modern authoritarianism. The student is now emerging as a teacher, and his syllabus suits today's post-totalitarian world, in which democracies in developing countries are strong enough to survive traditional coups by old-fashioned dictators but besieged by institutional disarray. From Ecuador to Egypt to Russia, there are vast breeding grounds for competitive authoritarianism.

When President Bush criticized Chávez after November's Summit of the Americas in Argentina, he may have contented himself with the belief that Chávez was a lone holdout as a wave of democracy sweeps the globe. But Chávez has already learned to surf that wave quite nicely, and others may follow in his wake.

[Editor's Note: This article originally appeared in Foreign Policy.]

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Javier Corrales is associate professor of government at Amherst College.

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Almost sounds like...
Posted by: Rolomax on Jul 26, 2006 12:17 AM   
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Well,

It seems that if Bush were left-wing, he would very closely resemble Chavez.

The thing is.. I think I'd prefer Chavez instead of Bush.

Don't believe the media hype.

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Oh, lordy lordy, how ironic!
Posted by: HeroesAll on Jul 26, 2006 12:27 AM   
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This article, even without comparing it to the Greg Palast one, just sends shivers up my spine. Let me pick a few choice highlights...

There are no mass executions or concentration camps in Venezuela.

Unlike several of the purported 'democracies' that were/are favoured by Washington...

There is no systematic, state-sponsored terror leaving scores of desaparecidos, as happened in Argentina and Chile in the 1970s.

Both of which were lauded by Washington...

In fact, in Venezuela, one can still find an active and vociferous opposition, elections, a feisty press, and a vibrant and organized civil society.

Why is it, then, that Venezuela only 'appears' democratic?

But when it comes to accountability and limits on presidential power, the picture grows dark.

Signing statements, anyone? 'National security', anyone?

In 1999, he engineered a new constitution that did away with the Senate

Which the Australian government is keen to do...

So in 2004, he began assembling a parallel army of urban reservists, whose membership he hopes to expand from 100,000 members to 2 million. In Colombia, 10,000 right-wing paramilitary forces significantly influenced the course of the domestic war against guerrillas.

I imagine he's taking to heart the lesson learned by past governments of South American countries, whose militaries have been suborned by 'foreign governments'...

A Chávez-controlled election body ensures that voting irregularities committed by the state are overlooked.

Tell me again who's responsible for election matters in the US?

The state is watching and punishing citizens for political actions it disapproves of rather than the other way around.

Needs no comment.

With inclusive rhetoric and lavish spending, especially since late 2003, Chávez has addressed the spiritual and material needs of Venezuela's poor,

How devilishly sneaky of him.

Undeniably, Chávez has brought innovative social programs to neighborhoods that the private sector and the Venezuelan state had all but abandoned to criminal gangs,

Good.

And yet, Chávez has failed to improve any meaningful measure of poverty, education, or equity.

Whose word do we have on this? I've seen somewhere that there's considerable evidence that he's having a noticeable effect.

To be continued...

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Irony part 2
Posted by: HeroesAll on Jul 26, 2006 12:42 AM   
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Hell's bells, I'm lovin' this.

More damning for the Chávez-as-Robin Hood theory, the poor do not support him en masse.

You mean he doesn't get 98% of the vote? How undemocratic of him. How many of the poor support Bush, do you think?

Chávez's inability to establish control over the poor

What?!? Is he trying to control the poor? Why?

Polarize Society: Having secured office, the task of the competitive autocrat is to polarize the political system.

Once again, needs no comment.

Spread the Wealth Selectively: Those expecting Chávez's populism to benefit citizens according to need, rather than political usefulness, do not understand competitive autocracy. Chávez's populism is grandiose, but selective. His supporters will receive unimaginable favors, and detractors are paid in insults.

Favours for corporations, anyone? Oil industry? Pork barrelling? The haves and the have-mores, 'my base'?

Allow the Bureaucracy to Decay, Almost:

Until it's, ohh, small enough to drown in a bathtub?

Chávez's electoral strategists have also figured out how to game the country's bifurcated electoral system,

No! How evil! Gerry-who?

the opposition fell into a coma, shocked not so much by the results as by the ease with which international observers condoned the Electoral Council's flimsy audit of the results.

Perhaps the international observers were actually correct?

Chávez's attacks on the United States escalated noticeably at the end of 2004

Unlike the US's attacks on Chavez, which began much earlier.

Chávez has yet to save Venezuela from poverty, militarism, corruption, crime, oil dependence, monopoly capitalism, or any other problem that the international left cares about.

When we know he could easily fix all those problems, if he really wanted to. And how foolish of 'the international left' to care about those things...

He knows that citizens who see a world collapsing will appreciate state interventions.

'Clash of civilisations', anybody? 'War against terrorism', anybody?


Rather than mending the country's catastrophic healthcare system, he opens a few military hospitals for selected patients and brings in Cuban doctors to run ad hoc clinics.

Damn those selfish Cuban doctors, going and working in the barrios and favelas, treating the poor! And how could any country have a catastrophic health care system?

Rather than killing inflation, which is crucial to alleviating poverty,

...according to the Washington Consensus, of course, which has never been proven right in one single case...

Rather than promoting stable property rights to boost investment and employment, he expands state employment

Translation: rather than guaranteeing the rights of foreign investors to suck money out of the country, Chavez chose to expand employment for workers.

This is just too easy.

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You just told a bunch of children there is no Santa!
Posted by: thinkprogress on Jul 26, 2006 12:44 AM   
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Oh man, you are going to have some angry comments!

Well done!

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Try a real economic analysis instead of this drivel
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jul 26, 2006 1:16 AM   
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Javier Corrales was a consultant to the World Bank with a special interest in 'education reform' which looks to be 'education privatization' or rather, IMF-style 'austerity measures' aimed at enforcing debt repayment at the expense of the countries social improvement programs - and then only the priviledged few get an education, and the country stagnates. His job appears to be providing intellectual justification for the economic hitmen who work for the IMF-World Bank-Import/Export crowd - basically, it's the Tonya Harding model of economic competition in action.

The poverty arguments are very well refuted in this linked article, which also describes how the US media parrots the views of Javier Corrales and his contemporaries:

"Poverty Rates In Venezuela: Getting The Numbers Right"
by Mark Weisbrot, Luis Sandoval, David Rosnick - CEPR   
Tuesday, 30 May 2006

"Over the past year, the statement that poverty in Venezuela has increased under the government of President Hugo Chávez has appeared in scores of major newspapers, on major television and radio programs, and even journals such as Foreign Affairs[1] and Foreign Policy.[2] "

http://upsidedownworld.org/main/content/view/302/35/

Neoliberal globalization is a bad idea, just not as bad as neoconservative imperial craziness. It's all based on the recycling of 'foreign aid dollars' as well as petrodollars back to the US - and as Greg Palast points out, the real sin of Chavez is that he's not playing according to those rules - he's investing the cash in developing his own country. In this context, it's worth noting that the World Bank was a great admirer of the 'education reforms' begun in 1980 by Chile's Pinochet, whose reign lasted a lot longer and was far more brutal.

It's time to get over the dreams of Pax Americanum promoted by the same old IMF-World Bank-WTO axis that brought out the Seattle protests some years ago. Trying to run a global empire is really stressful, anyway, and we'd all be a lot happier without it. Then we could get those old well-paid blue collar US jobs back from the Mexican maquiladora zone - even though US manufacturers do prefer to pay $10 a day for labor, with no benefits.

Remember what China said to us: "It's not our fault that you destroyed your own manufacturing sector".

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CONTINUED - context not straw man arguments, please
Posted by: Richard Dinelli on Jul 26, 2006 1:30 AM   
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Venezuela is healthier politically than India. And I would certainly argue that logically they have a much more simpatico and noble leader than we have in the usa.... if actions are the test of character. You don't see Venezuela making wars halfway around the world... imagining good guys and bad guys, and going after the "bad guys" with hired assassins. You don't see Venezuela killing a hundred thousand people in a nation across the ocean. Now having said what I just have, I have to request your respect... please don't come at me with a straw man argument... as would be typical for a person who does not look at world leaders through the lens of the commonly held viewpoints. Let us reason with logic... not with hyperbole.

I have not been to venezuela personally.. So I don't know the full picture, perhaps. However I am a thinker and the models I have drawn together are very different from yours.

Writers have an obligation to explore the issues fairly. To analyze them... To offer context. Straw man arguments simply don't cut it, my friend. The fact that your writing is featured on the front page of Alternet is pointing to a very grievous vulnerability which the progressives in the usa still have. They have chosen over the past several years to engage in heated debate... They are practicing this kind of hot tempered writing style on the internet...

I reflect on how Christopher Hitchens was able to masquerade as a leftwinger for so many years with the Nation magazine... when it's become obvious in recent years he was playing a ruse - just making linguistical sport. I hope you're not a person with the same sort of thrust, Mr.Corrales.

I'm very sensitive whenever I see a straw man argument... having seen this again and again in discussion forums across the internet. Those kind of people are dangerous people. They're the kind of people who form lynch mobs. Or encourage them to form elsewhere.

We don't need more friction in this hemisphere... Mr. Pat Robertson already did quite a bit of damage. We don't need people on our side of the fence also pushing the same sentiments.

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Chaves is doing everything the left accuses Bush of doing. But it is cool - because he hates Bush.
Posted by: thinkprogress on Jul 26, 2006 2:08 AM   
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I love the logic!

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Interesting article
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Jul 26, 2006 2:50 AM   
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What struck me about this article is that in the first part the author echoes the Republicans criticisms of Roosevelt. i.e. Chavez has popular support but only 70% of the poor suppoort him. So he's a dictator.

The second part about controlling the elections and dividing the people sounds pretty much like the Democrat's criticism of Bush.

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Too many falsehoods to address.
Posted by: wli on Jul 26, 2006 3:25 AM   
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There has to be some serious cognitive dissonance ongoing in the mind of the author to try to compare this guy to the death squad dictatorships the US itself installed across Latin America.

The whole thing is garbage, though. Best not to speculate openly on how this article got here.

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The Great Game
Posted by: Arvy on Jul 26, 2006 3:36 AM   
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Ever played Risk?

http://www.petemccormack.com/social_005.htm

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My two cents.
Posted by: brunowe on Jul 26, 2006 3:44 AM   
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Rather that jump into this with both feet, I thought I'd just reference the discussion I had with Mssrs. Holland and Drone back in January which culiminated in a guest post the former was kind enough to give me. Read it here

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thanks
Posted by: rsaxto on Jul 26, 2006 3:52 AM   
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I wish to thank Javier Corrales for proving that Chavez is more democratic than Cheney/Bush. This conclusion is inevitable after discarding the propaganda sections of his piece.

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» Pass the cigars, please. Posted by: coldeye
Splitting hairs
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jul 26, 2006 4:34 AM   
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Reading this article I am amazed how much intellectualization is required to find the subtle differences that exist between the populist democracy that Venezuela appears to be and the authoritarian dictatorship that the article claims it is.

Come on! If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck, it's probably a duck.

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Alternet - Are You Sanctioning Anti-Chavez Propaganda?
Posted by: Vani on Jul 26, 2006 5:16 AM   
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Venezuela, for all the criticism that the author has written against its leader, has still managed to abolish the death penalty, unlike America, which is intent on state supported killing. Keep trying to assassinate Chavez's character, you can never succeed. Belittling, besmirching and attacking Chavez, is what Israel and the CIA has been trying to do for years. Why is Alternet joining the band wagon?

As I have said in the past, ALTERNET IS A FRONT. Although there might very well be some, even many, sincere people behind Alernet, the management must be in the hands of some Right-Wing, conservate organization that is trying to derail the Left. Possibly it has been infiltrated by the CIA or Mossad. In any case, there is no way that a truly liberal news source would have published an article attacking Chavez. Any Leftie with half a brain knows that Chavez is an enormous advance over who normally leads in Latin America. There, rich white Latin Americans sell out their nations to rich, white America. Rich, white Latin Americans horde all and leave the crumbs for the poor, the people of color, the children. If anyone doesn't like it, and protests, they are imprisioned and quite possibly tortured and/or killed. This is what Latin America has been like for years. Keeping the Latin American people down has been one of the primary projects on the CIA agenda for decades. Who put in Pinochet and destroyed Allende? Who invaded Grenada with the avowed goal of upseating a communist Regime in order to establish a capitalist one? Who rejected the heroic Augusto Sandino, instead choosing to favor the murderous Somozas? Who set up the ruthless National Guard to serve American interests in Nicaragua? Why did it take the live television broadcast of the murder of an American journalist for America to pull out support for the Somozas? Who mined Nicaraguas harbors? Who supported Noriega in Panama?

If you want to know what Latin America is like, take a look at Argentina, the world's capital in child trafficking for nefarious purposes such as organ theft, prostitution. Or look at the Brazil's Favelas. If you love humanity, you will want to see Latin America break away from its miserable destiny. For once a Latin American country is distancing itself this horrific pattern. Venezuela is healing, advancing, protecting itself. Yet Chavez is continually attacked by America and Israel. Why does Alternet join in?

Really, this article is despicable. There are so many truly villainous individuals on the International political scence, who should be attacked; but not this gentleman. I'm sure the true objection ithat the author has is Chavez's tendency to distribute wealth to the people. Yes, that is why flocks of white Cubas left Cuba. They could not stand the idea that their hard-stolen wealthy could be redistributed to people whose skin was brown, golden, reddish...

Latin America is one of the worst places to be born poor or as a person of color. White Latinos control everything and those who they despise must feel their wrath. They despise the poor, the Blacks, the Indios, the Chinos, everyone who is not white. Everyone is who is poor. Yet these are the majority. Racial and class hate is the machinery behind people like Pinochet and the Somoza family. While the rest of the world advanced in terms of race relations, Latin America is still a haven for the sickest forms of racism possible. Hell, Latin America is where white men are still raping Black women and saying that they have done them a favor.

Do us a favor, and take your Anti-Chavez propaganda elsewhere.

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Was this article a test?
Posted by: Samantha Vimes on Jul 26, 2006 5:17 AM   
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Loaded with vague charges and a lack of supporting information, this article attempts to change the image of Chavez that previous articles on Alternet created.

The readers have passed the test, I think.

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That Tyrant. FDR!
Posted by: shinseiji on Jul 26, 2006 5:24 AM   
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Javier Corrales sounds strikingly similiar to the rightwing critics of FDR's New Deal in the 1930's. Imagine that.

Except that in Chavez's case it is preperation for a fresh US subversion and aggresion against Venezuela. That is what Corrales brief boils down to.

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The similarity is uncanny!!!
Posted by: moenbailey on Jul 26, 2006 5:24 AM   
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If you just substitute "GW Bush" for "Chavez," and substitute "neo-con republican" for "revolutionary," it's just like living in America. Except for some money finding its way to the poor.

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» Planet Venus? Posted by: coldeye
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The style also sounds like what Putin is doing in Russia.
Posted by: Sojourner on Jul 26, 2006 5:24 AM   
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I do not follow the internal politics of either Russia or Venezuela closely enough to offer any details, but the CEO/board model, with stockholders who say little so long as they receive their dividends, looks as though its rule is spreading.

What dictators used to do behind closed doors they now must do out in the open? So long as they win elections, they can get away with it? Sounds also like the Bush style to me.

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FOX News, CNN, and their pundits certainly hate Chavez
Posted by: traynor on Jul 26, 2006 5:34 AM   
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...and depend on media concentration worldwide to advance their "democratic" agenda, thus the crackdown on media and propaganda from the gringos.

It's interesting the author mentioned Chile, the regime the US supported that overthrew Allende, the democratically elected leader at that time.

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Just another 'hit' piece from a right-wing hack
Posted by: xi_people on Jul 26, 2006 5:44 AM   
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How ironic can this situation get? A democratically-elected leader who enjoys widespread support is labeled a 'tyrant,' while the Decider is held up as some kind of model leader. Truly, truth has been stood on its head and the entire world is in a twilight zone. My fear is that it will never get out of this zone, meaning that we'll be subject to outright lies from bloviating commentators for the forseeable future. How depressing.

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my two or three cents
Posted by: mwildfire on Jul 26, 2006 5:59 AM   
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First off, the fact that Bush has done everything the author accuses Chavez of doing doesn't make it right.
Second, thanks to the person who posted the info on where the author is coming from: I suspected as much. Interesting that he is a prof at Amherst, a very liberal arts college. Likely they keep his likes around for the same reason Alternet posted this thing, along with Palast's piece: they believe in variety, in giving the opposition a voice occasionally.
At least, that's the optimistic slant. Considering that the media in both the US and Venezuela is overwhelmingly in rich, conservative hands, vociferously vilifying Chavez--I'm not sure Alternet really needs to provide this sort of "balance."
Secondly, someone posted a rather dated view of Latin America--the white and the wealthy still have the lion's share of the wealth--as in the US--but Chavez is hardly the only left-wing populist running a country. Uruguay, Bolivia, Argentina, Chile and to a degree Brazil and Ecuador also have left-wing governments now.
But Chavez is a key leader--he is providing capital (from oil) which has allowed other South American countires to get the IMF boots off their necks, and he's working to unite the region.
So his enemies (domestic and foreign) tried a coup and they tried a recall election and they tried a Chile-style strike. All failed. The US can't send in the Marines; they're bogged down in the Middle East. What's left is assassination and I have no doubt the CIA/Mossad/etc is hard at work trying to figure out how to pull this off, ideally without obvious culpability. Demonizing him in advance will reduce the fallout, no matter who appears to be the assasin.

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Feelling the Heat?
Posted by: srqwolf on Jul 26, 2006 6:21 AM   
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Wow - Foreign Policy. What a CW feather in Alternet's cap, eh? Never mind that you can read this sort of thing in the NYT. One has to wonder - is Alternet feeling the heat for posting some of the scathing pieces on Gaza and Lebanon? In danger of losing a Ford Foundation grant or something?

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» Don't be silly (NT) Posted by: Joshua Holland
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Readers' responses and solidarity
Posted by: MikeG on Jul 26, 2006 6:29 AM   
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The best thing about this article is the great responses from readers showing how biased it is. This is part of the same kind of demonization campaign (in this case, complete with a forthcoming shoot-em-up video game) that always seems to magically appear before US intervention, overt or covert,. Chávez is obviously not perfect, but you'd have to be blind not to see the progress there for the masses of poor people. Solidarity, for example, is what we need to be showing, and it was encouraging to see so many signs of it in these postings.

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Bring Chavez policies to New Orleans
Posted by: beausoleil on Jul 26, 2006 6:47 AM   
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Despite the many problems in Latin America, most of which have been caused by our own "Democracy=Capitalism=Lies" government, the people of Latin America are still much more politically aware overall than the media brainwashed sheeples of the United States. Chavez believes that the natural resources of a region belong to the people of that region, not to international oil companies. He's taken back what has been stolen, and he's returning it to the rightful owners, the people. Doesn't that get Bush pissed off!

Take a good look at New Orleans, a city at the mouth of the greatest river in the world, in a region that provides 26% of the United States' oil, and much of it's agricultural and chemical goods, and note that Louisiana's governor has to go to Washington to literally grovel for money to rebuild this important, beautiful city. We won't even go into all the evidence that the levees were dynamited by our own military, for more info see:

http://educate-yourself.org
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(you'll have to paste the second line onto the first of this URL, due to limitations of words size on Alternet. It's worth the trouble to check this out)

La. Governor Blanco herself stated in committee, if Louisiana had access to her own revenues from these important commodities, New Orleans would have been rebuilt in 6 months. But no, instead of being the richest state in the union, we are the poorest...not because we have nothing to offer, but because what we have is taken from us by international conglomerates. It just so happens that Chavez has an oil refinery in Lake Charles, LA, and if he would like to come here and bring his policies with him and allow the people of Louisiana to benefit from the products of Louisiana, then I for one would welcome him with open arms. But alas, even here, propaganda has been so successful, that there are many who would turn him away. Successful propaganda has been described as that which convinces people to solemnly support something that works to their own detriment. Like neo-con pseudo-democracy and world wars, oil companies and capitalism.

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» Take New Orleans, Please! Posted by: coldeye
"Chávez may not have read Hobbes"
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Jul 26, 2006 6:58 AM   
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but Bush certainly has...

I bet the author wouldn't be writing about Chavez if Chavez was sending more money to wall street and less to his own country.

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» Hugo is a Bull Posted by: coldeye
Hachet Job?
Posted by: Wacre on Jul 26, 2006 7:16 AM   
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"As important, Chávez commands the institute that supervises elections, the National Electoral Council, and the gigantic state-owned oil company, PDVSA, which provides most of the government's revenues. A Chávez-controlled election body ensures that voting irregularities committed by the state are overlooked. A Chávez-controlled oil industry allows the state to spend at will, which comes in handy during election season."

Notice that the writer doesn't actually point to any "voting irregularites" that this "Chavez-controlled election body" committed, yet seems to assume that they exist.

"The results are apparent. Renewing a passport in Venezuela can take several months, but more than 2.7 million new voters have been registered in less than two years (almost 3,700 new voters per day), according to a recent report in El Universal, a pro-opposition Caracas daily. For the recall referendum, the government added names to the registry list up to 30 days prior to the vote, making it impossible to check for irregularities. More than 530,000 foreigners were expeditiously naturalized and registered in fewer than 20 months, and more than 3.3 million transferred to new voting districts.

Notice that the writer doesn't say that there were any registration irregularites, yet seems to assume that it was the case.

I don't think that anyone claims that Mr. Chavez is the second coming, but at the same time, considering that in the United States we have a president who leads a political party who is not known for clarity of vision, clean elections, honesty and without shame supports policies that directly benefit the most well-off in our society (and unlike in Mr. Chavez's case the paper trail to support my assertion is long and extensive), so I have to wonder how true are many of these assertions since most of them have little in supporting evidence.

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US Presidential Dictatorship in the making
Posted by: shinseiji on Jul 26, 2006 7:27 AM   
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Javier Corrales and Foreign Policy ought to take a good look at their own glass house in the US before they begin to throw stones elsewhere. Everything Corrales tries to pin on the "great dictator" Chavez applies in spades to the USA:

"Mr. Bush is an illegitimate President. In Florida, his brother Jeb deleted many black voters from the electoral registers. So this President is the result of a fraud. Not only that, he is also currently applying a dictatorship in the U.S. People can be put in jail without being charged. They tap phones without court orders. They check what books people take out of public libraries. They arrested Cindy Sheehan because of a T-shirt she was wearing demanding the return of the troops from Iraq. They abuse blacks and Latinos. And if we are going to talk about meddling in other countries, then the U.S. is the champion of meddling in other people's affairs. They invaded Guatemala, they overthrew Salvador Allende, invaded Panama and the Dominican Republic. They were involved in the coup d'état in Argentina thirty years ago."

Note that Chavez DOES NOT BLAME Nader for Bush, unlike alot of extremely dishonest left Democrats we know all too well.

"It's up to the prosecutors to decide what to do, but the truth is that we can't allow the U.S. to finance the destabilization of our country. What would happen if we financed somebody in the U.S. to destabilize the government of George Bush? They would go to prison, certainly."

Quicker than you-know-what through a goose, that's for sure.

Imperialists are simply pissed that Putin or Chavez have put the kibosh on their little front group game.

Good, about time! The NED and other instruments of oppression need to be kicked out of every country!

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Chavez:Hero vs Tyrant
Posted by: galen on Jul 26, 2006 7:49 AM   
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Hero, or Tyrant. The answer is "Yes." Chavez sits in the midst of what has the possibility to be a fledgling democracy. The situation is not really much better than "The New Iraq" - except with a lot less violence. It's a hard role to play: On the one hand, if he is weak, allowing even the appearance of disorder, the right wing will eat him up; on the other hand, if he becomes an absolute dictator(but lacking the backing of a major power), the crowd will eventually depose him. Today Chavez plays the role that Fujimori played in the beginning in Chile. Fujimori chose to maintain law and order by enlisting the forces of evil to combat evil, to fight terrorism with state terrorism. Clearly, that failed, he lost control and disappeared into the dark side. Such is the fate of the neocon! Perhaps Fujimori's daughter will have better luck. I wish her the best and hope that she may learn from history. Whether Chavez will sucumb to the dark side is anyone's guess. My position on him is that he has done some very good things for Venezuela, and he is irritating most of the right people, so for now at least, I will continue to purchase my gasoline at 7-11. You Go, Hugo! - but watch your ass!

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Its not hard
Posted by: Joe Ox on Jul 26, 2006 7:51 AM   
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to immigrate to Venezuela. But I wonder what happens when a serious opposition does arise. Could you find yourself looking out of a cell?
Ah who cares, the women there are worth it.

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» RE: Its not hard Posted by: Wacre
Yep. And watch your own reaction....
Posted by: supercrisp on Jul 26, 2006 8:09 AM   
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I’m noticing people here double-talking, suggesting that abuses in the US somehow moderate or excuse Chavez’s actions. That’s not true, and I think we owe it to ourselves to accept that our desire for a hero tempts us to make excuses.

I thought Chavez sounded pretty good. But a Venezuelan friend of mine set me straight, told me pretty much what this article says. And he’s got impeccable lefty credentials: he’s here in the US to get a PhD in social work, volunteers to help people picked up on immigration charges, supports our union and left candidates. And he dislikes Chavez intensely for some of the reasons listed in the article above.

Critical stories about Chavez have been running in mainstream papers in “Latin” America for a while. Several radical and left papers have been critical of Chavez. The coverage in the US has been very poor, both minimal and slanted rightward. And he’s fawned over by some leftist media organs.

It’s too easy to fall into black/white thinking. Chavez becomes my friend because he’s my enemy’s enemy. Be open minded on this. The left has walked into some real crap in the past with people like Stalin and Castro. It’s like Castro and Che. Consider all the homosexuals and other “undesirables” Castro rounded up and tossed in the pen. Consider how Che was always ready, nobly many say, to be the trigger man come execution time. Keep in mind, I’m not comparing Chavez to these cats, just pointing out how we want them to be perfect.

The simple fact is wishing for a left hero doesn’t make one happen. I recommend people go read Spanish-language newspapers; English editions are often available. El Universal is a good starting-point. We have to live in the real world, which is a decidedly spotted calf.

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Chavez has done what Bush wants to do - but differently
Posted by: fiskhus on Jul 26, 2006 8:16 AM   
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In short, Chavez has achieved the kind of authoritarian control Bush/Cheney would like the US Presidency to exercise.

The difference is that Chavez has used his consolidated power to improve the lives of the poor in his country (and in ours) - something Bush/Cheney will NEVER consent to do.

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Conrad Black buys Alternet
Posted by: Meatball on Jul 26, 2006 8:24 AM   
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What is this, the Weekly Standard all of a sudden? Shame on Alternet for publishing this shameless propaganda piece for the Venezuelan plutocracy-in-exile.

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Corrales, al Corral!...
Posted by: ZPaul on Jul 26, 2006 9:18 AM   
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Corrales, Corrales, "al Corral, que no vales ni un real!" (old Spanish saying) Chavez´s "Anti-Americanism": Who established that Chavez was Anti-American? Bloody `ell, mate, he´s trying to help the American poor; is that being Anti-American? He is a democratically elected leader -- how do you like them apples? Yeah, we know the right smashed Allende, with considerable help from "amigos" up North -- but I wouldn´t be so sure that those methods are going to succeed now against Chavez.

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Venezula has real cemocracy unlike the U.S.
Posted by: ohioandtoledo@msn.com on Jul 26, 2006 9:20 AM   
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the article on Chavez was another crude Bush supporters attempt to stop real democracy from happening.whenever a left winger wins honest power and tries to keep american capitalist from taking over the country the right wingers start shouting socialist and the United states leads a CIA overthrown of that South Or Central American president.The truth is wages have been going up,dissenters are allowed to protest unlike Us elected dictaotors in south Americxa and poor people can finally get an education.Tfhese are the real facts not the US propaganda.A better case for facist dictator could be made against Bush who has "won" 2 crocked elections,refuses to let american papers print anti Bush article and has business leaders running the government and working against the people.I hope someday America can once again have a democracy

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» Go to Rick's Cafe Posted by: coldeye
"Free Elections" do not equal democracy
Posted by: traynor on Jul 26, 2006 9:56 AM   
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That was an exact quote from MSNBC pundit discussing Lebanon and Middle East Arab Leaders on Monday night.

Don't bother deciding what "democracy" is for yourself, just believe the war media: "...if it's a free election, it's not necessarily democracy...."

These media engineers actually think viewers are so dependent-minded and mesmerized by the war movie and profit propaganda that they can't even sort out a ridiculous statement like that. The BS is starting to pile up and stink pretty badly. Free Elections DO equal democracy. Sore losers who twist the results through a media monopoly DO equal authoritarianism.

In the fervor of the lopsided demolition of Lebanon, MSNBC blew their cover and summed up the doublespeak model: it's only a "democracy" if the elites that are elected in the "free election" go in line with the neocon agenda, racism, wealth aggregation in the hands of a few, anti-union, anti-poor, anti-farmer, anti-nature, etc...

It also makes me wonder what happened in the days after the recent razor-slim Mexico election: did the media have to get their game-plan on and coordinate before releasing the "official count" through the few major media networks there?

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» RE: "Free Elections" - exactly Posted by: Beagle17
Chickens Come Home To Roost
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jul 26, 2006 10:00 AM   
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If the US hadn't been such a total a*s in Latin America for longer than anybody reading this has been alive, guys like this wouldn't have such an easy target. Our failure to engage and invest in Latin America, while supporting corrupt and repressive regimes in this hemisphere is going to bite us at the very hour that we can least afford it.

High petroleum prices have put the Orinoco Oil reserves in to play and Venezuela then becomes the holder of the largest oil reserves in OPEC. The traditional reserves around Lake Miracaibo may be in decline but the Orinoco Basin Reserves dwarf even the Ghawar reserves in Saudi Arabia.

Venezuela is cozying up to oil hungry China, building a pipeline across Columbia to bypass the Panama Canal to the Pacific, and buying arms from Russia. They are also signing agreements to supply oil at subsidized pricing to Latin American neighbors, buying friends with oil.

This guy and his cronies could turn out to be a major pain for the US and it didn't have to be this way. They have plenty of oil and a bunch of countries willing to support and help them them for access to it or economic assistance from the oil revenue. Buy yourself a nice Chinese bicycle, because you are going to need it in a couple of years.

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Praise for a tyrant
Posted by: brunowe on Jul 26, 2006 10:12 AM   
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Hugo Chavez just came out and stated that Belarus was a "model of a social state".

Lukashenka is running a dictatorial state in Belarus, as you can see in the Human Rights Watch summary and the most recent Amnesty Int'l report.

Chavez isn't a tyrant (although he does have authoritarian tendencies and acts as if Venezuelan democracy only exists through him) but he apparently has no problem praising them.

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» RE: Praise for a tyrant Posted by: Disputo
WHAT THE HELL?
Posted by: WitchyNy on Jul 26, 2006 10:42 AM   
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Ok- Chavez is not perfect. So what? What is going on here?

Let's see- next you could run an article on how the Womens Rights movement has actually hurt women at times.

Or the good aspects of slavery. (No unemployment-ever)

How about the good things members of the KKK have done?

I know!!! I know!!!---How about- BUSH IS NOT ALL BAD!

Why not run a story on all the good things Bush has done!

Who is running Alternet these days anyway?

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PART I - Why Is Bermuda Richer Than Venezuela?
Posted by: Liger on Jul 26, 2006 11:18 AM   
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By Carlos Ball

Other things being equal, one would think that Venezuela -- a democratic country with immense oil and mineral riches, populated by descendants of the liberators of Latin America -- would out-prosper Bermuda -- an island one-third the size of the District of Columbia, two-thirds populated by the descendants of black slaves, with one paved airport, no university, and no natural resource more valuable than its beaches.

But other things are not equal. And as a result, the per capita income of Bermudians is $36,845, one of the highest in the world, and that of Venezuelans $3,326. There is no unemployment in Bermuda, whereas over half of the Venezuelan population is either unemployed or working in the underground economy.


How can this be? Never underestimate the immense capacity of Latin American politicians to assume ownership of major industries, spew out legislation limiting the freedom of the people, redistributing their property, and denying them equal treatment under the law, while bombarding the population with socialist demagoguery.


Venezuela's government, directly and through the businesses it owns, is the top employer, and the people are dictated to by a ponderous and corrupt bureaucracy.


In Bermuda, the only government enterprise is the postal service. There is no central bank. Bermudian dollars and U.S. dollars are interchangeable. For that reason, we have never heard of capital flight in Bermuda and economic analysts place it at about the same risk range of Singapore, where democracy is still in its infancy, but where people enjoy total economic freedom, meaning that the market functions freely and advances at a high speed in a globalized economy.


The value of the Venezuelan currency, the bolívar, was fixed at one gram of gold from 1879 to 1961. The "democratic" governments, starting in the 1960s, have destroyed the value of the bolívar, with exchange controls and a devaluation of 60,445% in the last 43 years. The average inflation in Venezuela is 20% vs. 2% in Bermuda. A low inflation rate is one of the best measures of government respect for property rights.


The rule of law that reigns in Bermuda fosters individual freedom; a non-interventionist régime, with minimum regulations, and a legislative assembly that doesn't forge and promulgate new laws all the time offers great incentives for savings, for investments and to create new job opportunities.


A referendum on independence was soundly defeated in Bermuda in 1965, and the 138 coral islands and islets remain an overseas territory of the United Kingdom, with internal self-government. Venezuela, meanwhile, is one of the oldest "democracies" in Latin America.


President Chávez is using every trick he has learned from his mentor Fidel Castro to avoid a recall referendum of his presidency. The latest trick is that his government controls the software company that will design electronic ballots and record votes for Venezuela's new election system. A decision was taken to scrap the country's 6-year-old voting machines, which is seen as a maneuver to manipulate votes. Since Chávez controls the National Assembly, the Supreme Court, the Electoral Council, and the oil income, democracy in Venezuela is a figment of Chávez's imagination.


In the real world, the so-called "wild capitalism" of Bermuda, with its high respect for property rights, is a lot less savage than the corrupt "Bolivarian" revolution of President Hugo Chávez, which now embraces almost every evil Simón Bolívar dedicated his life to fight.

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PART II - Why Is Bermuda Richer Than Venezuela?
Posted by: Liger on Jul 26, 2006 11:18 AM   
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By Carlos Ball

Everyone who reads newspapers and watches the news on television has heard the names of Hugo Chávez, Lula and Néstor Kirchner, the socialist presidents of Venezuela, Brazil, and Argentina. I doubt if you recognize the name Alex Scott, the head of the government of Bermuda, or of Pascal Couchepin, the president of Switzerland. As far as governments are concerned, small is very beautiful.

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» Several rich Bermudans Posted by: rwa
Oh, I get it!
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jul 26, 2006 11:53 AM   
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I get it!

It is farce... you are REALLY talking about Bush.

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And next you can tell us
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jul 26, 2006 11:55 AM   
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What a threat Chavez is to the US... what with his intercontinental ballistic... uhm... Koloshnikov rifles....

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Why publish this?
Posted by: Phenix on Jul 26, 2006 12:00 PM   
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I used to come to Alternet on a daily basis but I've found that their reporting is going towards the right meaning the "center" which is in the right. Now when I come to this site I know that I will find at least one article that was written by a Dem policy wonk or an article that not only states the obvious but manages to state nothing else but the obvious.

I don't know maybe its just me but this news doesn't seem like its an "alternet" to mainstream media but rather an extension of mainstream.

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» Half-empty / half-full Posted by: srqwolf
» RE: Why publish this? Posted by: rwa
» Three Good Voices Posted by: Vani
Can't we all just get along?
Posted by: profpike on Jul 26, 2006 12:35 PM   
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Though I largely disagree with this article-I'm glad alternet posted it. We on the left should have this discussion. I personally view Chavez with guarded optimism as his flamboyance and cozy relationships with big oil are a bit off-putting. I think this article proves that we in the left do not march lockstep and can disagree with each other.

I do hasten to point out that Chavez had LOTS of opportunities to create "states of emergency" especially following the coup and didn't.

I think we need to ask ourselves who would Venezuelans be better with Chavez or the obviously-Bush backed Carmona?

Unlike, oh say, Front Page Mag-this article is balanced with Palast's piece.

I say-let all these folks report and we'll decide.

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CHAVEZ REAL CRIME: RAISING OIL TAXES
Posted by: sofla100 on Jul 26, 2006 2:29 PM   
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Oh come on with the hatchet job. What is the real reason the US hates Chavez? The guy raised oil taxes from 15 up to about 30% on oil being exported. Conoco-Phillips and Exxon are all pissed. The nerve of this guy, he actually wants to keep oil revenues from the oil pumped in Venezuela with the Venezuelan people. I love how this author says that the Venezuelan Congress has no oversight over the military. Have they seen GW Bush, have they seen his "signing statements." What a joke.

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alternet no more
Posted by: beausoleil on Jul 26, 2006 3:44 PM   
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By the way, after reading this article, I've just gotten rid of Alternet as my opening page. I would like to suggest
http://educate-yourself.org
as a better source of alternative information.

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Interesting timing this article
Posted by: Ghoulman on Jul 26, 2006 3:54 PM   
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Chavez makes a weapons deal with Russia, he becomes the new Castro ... according to American oil interests.

How long until an embargo happens?

Love how the article tries like all Hell to make Chavez out to be deviously clever, a real Dr. No figure, instead of just being the guy who got popular vote. Twice. Once after a coupe.

Guess what America... you're increasingly irrelevant.

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» RE: Interesting timing this article Posted by: Joshua Holland
You Alternet-haters, you!
Posted by: HeroesAll on Jul 26, 2006 4:59 PM   
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Okay, it's a shock to the system to see something like this. But I must say that a shock is not always bad: it's useful for me to see what the opposition believes. Alternet wouldn't be as useful or enjoyable if it merely posted articles that we all agreed with.

And I know this won't bring me any karma points, but I've got to say that I've thoroughly enjoyed taking this article apart. If this is the best their elite attack profs can do, then baby, I'll be having them for breakfast!

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» RE: You Alternet-haters, you! Posted by: Joshua Holland
who remembers Gomez?
Posted by: mrjones on Jul 27, 2006 12:53 AM   
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a lot of Venezuelans do, there are legends about about how if somebody had 2 cars, and his neighbor had none, Gomez would take one of the cars and give it to the neighbor... if you really want to understand Chavez I think you'd do well to do a little research into Gomez

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This almost looks like a set-up
Posted by: Envi on Jul 27, 2006 5:05 AM   
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Next we'll be hearing that we need to invade Venezuela due to "human rights violations", or to bring them REAL DEMOCRACY like we have here in the US, you know, where all elections are true and the guy with the most votes actually wins...so we can FREE these people! This article looks like a set-up to convince people of how BAD Chavez is for world order...just how Bush convinced us to go to war...add Venezuela to the laugable AXIS OF EVIL...more trumped up charges to make this point. I'm glad this article appeared on Alternet, it should be regarded as a "head's up" for the next invasion. I bet there's more to come.

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Alternet - Are You Sanctioning Anti-Chavez Propaganda?
Posted by: Vani on Jul 27, 2006 9:32 AM   
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I was drawn to AlterNet by articles which appealed to my values. I enjoy the site. But I have to speak up when I encounter something I don't like.
Is AlterNet right to publish an article attacking Chavez, written by a former advisor to the World Bank? Some imply that AlterNet is right to show multiple sides of every point of view, even if some views are those of the Right and Extreme Right. Well, I just read AlterNet's "About Us" statement in which they ask for donations and support. They clearly state that their raison d'être is to provide a highly efficient, technologically advanced platform and nurturing environment for Leftist discourse so that it can confront the organization and power of the Right Media Machine. There is no mention whatsoever that they had the intention of exposing their readership to right-wing ideology in the interest of fairness. They clearly state that they are dedicated to the Left-Wing cause. If this has changed, then they should report as much to their readers.
Here's what AlterNet writes on their About Us page:
http://alternet.org/about/
The scope of conservative media is vast, including Fox News, Sinclair, major right-wing talk radio market penetration, many newspapers, a fast-growing religious broadcasting system, and sophisticated use of the Internet and new technologies. The ability of the right-wing media apparatus to dominate public discourse is at the expense of liberal and progressive values and represents a fundamental transformation in American politics. This is what we are fighting against.


AlterNet says that it is fighting against the Right. So, why does it publish an article attacking Chavez? His is one of the few states functioning in Latin America. His is one of the few states that are not submerged in poverty-related dysfunction. Torture is not accepted practice in Venezuela. The upper classes are not able to hoard the wealth as before. 70% of Venezuelans are for Chavez. Does that really sound like a dictator? The death penalty has been abolished. He is confronting powerful enemies such as America. Yet, offered assistance to Karina victims, showing that he is willing to extend aid to us in when we need it. When he likened Jesus to the world's first revolutionary, he was accused of Anti-Semitism. But Venezuela’s Jewish population has denied that he is an anti-Semite.
Chavez’ every action is scrutinized while states such as Egypt, Macedonia and others around the world which are known for human rights abuses and which implement torture practices go unnoticed. In fact, clandestinely, America has been kidnapping innocent Arabs such as Mr; Al Masri and transporting them to states where they know that torture will be practiced upon them. It is a well known fact that the CIA has been hiding and interrogating suspected al Qaeda captives at Soviet-era compounds in Eastern Europe. They have been constructing secret prisons around the world. States, such as Poland, that would permit the construction of secret prisons, are the states which should be scrutinized and not Venezuela. After supporting torture around the world; how can America then turn around and attack Venezuela, which is not only doing no harm: it is doing much good. What is going here? The intention is to build enough Anti-Chavez sentiment to justify a coup or an invasion;. Unfortunately, America is otherwise occupied right now.

Chavez has done everything that anyone could wish he would do for his people. Distributing food and medicine to the extremely poor. Advancing education. Even confronting divisive social practices as practiced by Catholic Church. (Hey, I’m a Catholic, but the Catholic Church has been known to be divisive and sympathetic to fascism in the past and even currently in Poland)
http://inava.free.fr/

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WHAT RUBBISH!
Posted by: HarryHope on Jul 27, 2006 10:41 AM   
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Members of the opposition to Chavez kidnapped the democratically elected president of Venevuela, declared the Constitution void, and appointed one of their own dictator. The overwhelming protests by the people of Venezuela forced them to return Chavez to office. When he trounced the opposition in another election, they claimed fraud. But the international obnservers pronounced the the elections to have been fair and honest. So in the next election, they refused to run candidates and now claim through their through the author that Chavez has too much power and is an autocrat. In fact the author uses a Spanish word to lable Chavez a militatary dictator. It's true his party has complete control of the legislature. But the opposition created that situation by refusing to participate in the democratic process.

This article has no facts, just accusations. and most of tem are false. One of the more glaring ommissions is any discussion of race. Chavez is of Indian derivation as are most of the people of Venezuela, especially the poor. Chavez is one of them as opposed to the elite opposition who continue to control most of the wealth of the nation including the media.

Incidently, the editor of the magaznie that originally published this junk was a former high ranking official in the opposition's government eventually ousted by Chavez and was associaetd with the World Bank which Chavez disdains.

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So bad that it's ...
Posted by: robedal on Jul 27, 2006 10:51 AM   
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This article is one that fits the description "it's not even wrong" (Pauli with one of his trenchant criticisms of sloppy thought). The only suitable word that comes to mind is incoherent.

After observations such as the one that Chavez is not fixing the health system, he's opening hospitals and obtaining more doctors, it's clear that the author is not troubled by reality not being in agreeement with his theories. One wonders what he could mean by fixing a health care system. If it's not more treatment facilities and more medical personnel, then what? Not a big enough bureaucracy perhaps. Perhaps his ideal is the U.S. one, generally agreed to be the most inefficient, costly and paperwork constipated of any of the systems of the developed countries.

Likewise, most democratic jurisdictions, not just Venezuela, are eliminating or decreasing the power of the 2nd chamber. The pork producers of the grotesque U.S. senate represent one of the most important causes of the dysfunctionality of the U.S. government (disfunctional: not my judgement, but that of a former ambassador to Washington.)

As many people have found out the hard way, reality exists, and sits there like a stubborn toad on the road. It won't go away because of ideologies, incantations, or effusions of a right wing gasbag

There's no point in analysing such political vomit in detail, but some meta-analysis is in order. Such an essay from a first year undergraduate would receive a failing grade. What kind of institution is Amherst College if someone of this level of mendacity is a professor? Is it a school for rich snots or does it have grander pretensions? Likewise what kind of journal is "Foreign Policy". Surely not a refereed academic one, to accept an article that practices proof by bombast , without a single hard fact to support its case.

Thanks to Alternet for allowing me to remove an academic institution and a journal from my lists of things to ever consider .

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Would Alternet consult Chevron about global warming?
Posted by: camaron on Jul 27, 2006 12:08 PM   
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Check these two lists:

1. Asian Development Bank, BG, BP, Corporación Andina de Fomento, Deutsche Bank, Emerging Markets Management, LLC, Inter-American Development Bank, JP Morgan, Noble Energy, Strategic Investment Group, Procter & Gamble.
2. Sudan, Congo, Ivory Coast, Iraq, Zimbabwe, Chad, Somalia, Haiti, blablablah...

And who may those in the first list be? Well, it's quiet simple: they are the "corporate partners" of Foreign Policy (FP), with which it "helps companies better understand and respond to the global trends and events currently impacting their business".
Oh my, I wonder, could the nationalization of oil in Venezuela be impacting the interests of some of FP's clients...? Could the solid Venezuelan policies for an "alternative" social oriented economy be worrying them somewhat...? Could Chavez' socialist and antiimperialist project be scaring them to a certain point...?
Could this fact, by any, any chance, have some impact on the infantilistic analisis of Mr. Javier Corrales on Venezuela's political process...? Oh, dare me...

And what about the second list? Any idea...? Well, simple again: These are the first countries in the list that FP elaborates of "falling" states. So much for an effort in independent insight...

So, this is the think tank that alternet thought suitable to inform as about Venezuela. Great, so much for alternet's editorial choice... Go ask Chevron if we should worry about global warming...

That's all, folks....

PD. By the way, would you expect to find the US in that second list at any time in the near future ...?

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What a hack
Posted by: redstarwraith on Jul 27, 2006 4:04 PM   
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The author is a hack. His analysis is facile but in keeping with the sort of pablum that passes for "high journalism" in these neo-liberal shit-rags like Foreign Policy (almost as bad as the Tory shit-rag The Economist). Chavez "picking on the US?!" Gimme a break! The author fails miserably to mention the long and ignoble history of US meddling in Latin American affairs. He also fails to take any serious look at the whole miserable problem of poverty/class division in Latin America. He fails to mention that the pimping, whoring oil companies that Chavez and co. appropriated were US companies; companies that were content on raping the wealth of Venezuela to line their own coffers. He never ONCE mentions the CIA backed coups or the vast sums of money this administration has sunk into overthrowing Chavez yet mentions the coups as if they were the result of some popular groundswell of support against Chavez.

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This Foreign Policy garbage on Alternet is incorrect
Posted by: mangomundo on Jul 28, 2006 12:44 PM   
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As someone who has visited and written about Venezuela many times, I was suprised that AlterNet re-published this article. Foreign Policy magazine is generally full of some of the worst garbage out there, speaking to and for the right wing Washington establishment. Why do you need to reprint something like on a website that describes itself as a place for independent views and alternative to the mainstream corporate press? If I wanted to hear this stuff I could go to Fox News. I don't have room here explain the many wonderful things that Chavez administration is doing in Venezuela, and the growing solidarity with him throughout Latin America. His economic policies and cooperation are a key part of helping this devastated region get out from the grip of Washington, corporate investors and the IMF. The writer and the re-publisher of this article clearly hasn't walked through the slums of Caracas, or spoken with the poor in Bolivia, to see the radical changes that are taking place in part because oil money is being used to help the majority instead of pay for a rolex or sports car of an oil executive. Those who proport to know what's going on in Latin America, should leave their desks in Washington or San Fransisco and see for themselves before condemning a people powered revolution. This dissolves a lot of the faith I had in Alternet. La Paz, Bolivia

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professors defend power
Posted by: wleming on Jul 29, 2006 7:11 AM   
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The author, a prof at Amhurst, is a classic Tui, as Brecht termed
the intellectuals whose real function is to sell super power jive
to the disinformed.
To suggest that Chavez is in any way the horrific equal of a Pinochet, Stroessner, Argentine junta type, or any of the myriad
US backed dictators in Central and South America is laughable.
This is Cold War stuff of the very worst kind, and the assertions here should have been laughed out of court, what happened ?

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professors defend power
Posted by: wleming on Jul 29, 2006 7:11 AM   
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The author, a prof at Amhurst, is a classic Tui, as Brecht termed
the intellectuals whose real function is to sell super power jive
to the disinformed.
To suggest that Chavez is in any way the horrific equal of a Pinochet, Stroessner, Argentine junta type, or any of the myriad
US backed dictators in Central and South America is laughable.
This is Cold War stuff of the very worst kind, and the assertions here should have been laughed out of court, what happened ?

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When Chavez has his military fly planes into his tallest skyscrapers...
Posted by: xbj on Jul 29, 2006 9:08 AM   
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When Chavez has his military fly planes by remote control into a couple of his tallest skyscrapers and kills 3000 people to mobilize his country for an endless "war" on "terror", then I'll be happy to talk about what an evil unelected dictator "who attacked his own people" he is.

Until then, he's a Saint next to the crew in the White House.

And he, and the rest of the world, AND OUR OWN CIA damn well know it too.

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All authoritarain government is not the same
Posted by: Citizendeane on Jul 29, 2006 5:10 PM   
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When a popular government or state (Chavez) is genuinely up against a powerful and implacable adversary (Bush), it will eventually become authoritarian. If not it will be destroyed. Chavez either has strong authority over the military and over the sectors of society that have repeatedly attacked him or he will wind up like Allende and Venezuela's will be ruled by a monstrosity like Pinochet. The author of this article would prefer that outcome-- utter swine, as are his defenders!

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Liberals need more honesty
Posted by: Spinoza on Jul 29, 2006 7:02 PM   
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Truthfully I have not frequented Alternet much but my impression was that it was ostensibly a "liberal" site. Why is it busy spreading right wing propaganda? That I think is the major flaw in liberal ideology, they are most always more interested in being "fair" to the right than in promoting the cause of the left and of the losers in the capitalist system.

Now I am not saying there is no flaws in the Chavez government

---but promoting the Fascist Amerikkkan agenda is a criminal activity. Most of the means of communication in the capitalist west is promoting a form of fascism, especially the post Reaganite world. It is a world dedicated to the well being of the filthy rich and to promoting militarism and Nationalism along the old axis line.

The following is a much more balanced view of the Chavez government not written from a fascist/capitalist point of view. Compare the two for real fair play.
http://www.zmag.org/content/
showarticle.cfm?SectionID=45&ItemID=10620

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Ah, maybe Alternet has a hidden agenda
Posted by: Spinoza on Jul 29, 2006 7:36 PM   
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I thought Alternet might have switched sides but I reread that article. It is terribly written (despite it first appearing in Foreign Affairs) and with poor arguments. I think Alternet was just trying to improve our arguing abilities or trying to hold the right up to ridicule


Most important , Chavez is doing a lot of traveling, something weak dictators don't do. Nevertheless I think he and his people are underestimating the pernicious nature of our government. I take the hostile speeches and editorials seriously. Venezuela better get those guns etc as soon as possible because I think we, (ruling elite) will be attacking very shortly.

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dougie
Posted by: pommiedoug on Jul 29, 2006 7:45 PM   
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I was astounded and deeply dissapointed to see a viewpoint on Chavez that I could quite easily obtain from O'Reilly or Hannity on Fox News being given space in Afternet. After further consideration I thought if it was not for that provocative article the views of so many level headed Americans would never have been posted. In that case I would have remained with the impression that that all Americans are brainwashed and basically have right wing mindsets.
This has disabused me of that idea and I am very grateful but please do not, please do not give much more space to the views of extremist right wing views, as I said I have had a gut of that in the corporate mass media.

Thanks from this happier Limey.

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Beware of the liberal
Posted by: Spinoza on Jul 29, 2006 8:22 PM   
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> Hugo Chavez just came out and stated that Belarus was a "model of a social state".

> Lukashenka is running a dictatorial state in Belarus, as you can see in the Human Rights Watch summary and the most recent Amnesty Int'l report.

I wonder if the person writing this has actually gone to Belarus and have seen how the people live or is this person just relying on Human Rights Watch or Amnesty International and western propaganda. Is this person aware that these are "liberal" organizations and are ideologically committed to promoting a narrow version of Western Democracy. Belerus is following the old Soviet model and not the disasterous liberal model that organizations like Human Rights Watch promotes. HRW is stuck in liberal models and should be ignored when they are not applicable.

Though liberalism can be considered a horrible doctrine I in no way endorse authoritarian rule as a good.

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Come, Come now Chavez cannot hold a candle to Bush
Posted by: SALLY EVANS on Jul 29, 2006 9:46 PM   
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We need to stay focused on the world's number one tyrant and that is George W. Bush! Chavez is a patsy compared to Bush. We need to stay FOCUSSED ON BUSH until we geT this scum for TREASON!

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Wisdom requires that one is effective and just!
Posted by: Spinoza on Jul 30, 2006 6:47 AM   
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Chavez is starting a bit of a "cult of personality" and that I find disgusting. There is no need of that to fight against Imperialism. If you read my various posts I said that Venezuela should get fully armed to fight against the USA . I think the American people should get fully armed and fight against its government. The USA has declared itself the enemy of mankind and unfortunately the only way to fight the USA is militarily with the inclusion of non-violent resistance as long as it can have some effect.

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» personality cults are not good Posted by: Citizendeane
I found this article on CNN, Chavez is creating an anti-imperialist alliance
Posted by: Spinoza on Jul 30, 2006 7:08 AM   
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MINSK, Belarus (Reuters) -- Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez said Tuesday he had forged a strategic alliance to stand up to U.S. imperialism with fellow maverick Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko.

"Our countries must keep their hands at the ready on the sword," Chavez, in ex-Soviet Belarus as part of a world tour, said on a visit to a military academy.

"After a day of intensive work, we have created a strategic alliance between our countries," he said, speaking through an interpreter. "It is absolutely vital to protect our homeland, to guard against internal and external threats."

"The jaws of imperialism and hegemonism have both us and Belarus in their grip."

Chavez did not give details about what the alliance would involve. He is a bitter critic of the United States and proclaims socialist ideals to unite South America against Washington's influence.

Lukashenko runs a Soviet-style command economy. Washington says he runs the last dictatorship in Europe. Belarus is subject to European Union and U.S. sanctions after Western observers accused him of rigging his own re-election in March.

Like Chavez in Venezuela, Lukashenko has strong support with poor voters.

"The number of countries in the world which resist the forces of dictatorship is growing," said Lukashenko, standing alongside him at the military academy.

Chavez leaves Belarus on Tuesday for Russia where he is to sign a deal to buy Russian fighter jets and helicopters. His tour will also take in Qatar, Iran, Vietnam and Mali.

The tour is in part to lobby for Venezuela's bid for a seat on the United Nations Security Council.

Copyright 2006 Reuters. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

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Be skeptical of "liberals".
Posted by: Spinoza on Jul 30, 2006 7:13 AM   
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Anytime you see Human Rights Watch or Freedom House supporting something assume it is anti poor people and right wing in its orientation.

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Did I miss Something...
Posted by: shyguy709 on Jul 31, 2006 6:18 AM   
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Did alternet just get married to some partisan lover? when was the batch eve? lol

Do we really have to compare Bush and Chavez? why not Bush vs Sharon or Blair and Chavez vs Luna or Castro...

Can't u see a 'Bush' is the president of America. After all Eagles live in bushes...isn't it a good match...lol

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The perfect dictatorship must be the dictatorship of the Proletariat
Posted by: vescalant on Aug 1, 2006 1:03 AM   
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Much as been said about the possibility of the perfect dictatorship, say, like the 70-year hold of power by one party (the PRI) in Mexico that didn't end until 2000. This article describes brilliantly another attempt to realize it in Venezuela. The Chavez autocracy as the author calls it does not differ much from the hold of power by capitalism in the US and other European nations for hundreds of years. There is no question that the two-party system in the US has been largely based on election manipulation and a botched democracy, not much unlike that in Venezuela. An economic system, be it capitalism, socialism or whatever you like, needs a stable government to subsist, and that is equivalent to a protracted dictatorship of sorts. What truly democratic and humanistic people must ensure is that such dictatorial systems, must no rely under any circumstances on terror, torture, imprisonment or any other forms of inhuman treatment of dissidents and innocents. There has to be some sort of compassion in a dictator if he or she is to remain "competitive" and I hope Chavez keeps on this line.

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Gotta look closer
Posted by: talkville on Aug 1, 2006 2:17 AM   
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Most of the bold sub-entries in this article are uncomfortably close to more societies than Venezuela's. We'd do well to check out our own situation and not pretend that tyranny, oligarchy, despotism, autocracy or the many modes of the State are not present right here and right now. Projection is rampant these days in punditry.

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