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Progressives: Stop Waiting for a Hero
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For liberals, the correct answer is "none of the above."
I say this without knowing who will be the nominee. I say this not because the individuals in question are inadequate. I say this because progressive values cannot be saved by heroes. Progressive values can only be saved by ordinary citizens living up to their principles.
In the biblical story of the Exodus, Moses dies just before Israel can enter the Promised Land. The story is told as a way of making a point. Leaders can only take you so far. At some point it's up to the people to govern themselves. Eugene B. Debs used to tell his listeners, "I would not lead you into the promised land even if I could, for, if anybody leads you in, someone else can lead you out."
When George W. Bush named his first cabinet I announced from our pulpit that America was going to war. I am no prophet, but I can read the writing on the wall. If you see a robot with guns for hands you can be pretty sure it will not be planting many flowers. A presidential cabinet consisting of corporate lobbyists with ties to oil and weapons makers, but having no ambassadors or diplomats can only produce war and economic rapine.
"President" means someone who presides over the democratic process. That may seem mundane. Often it is. But the flashier title "Commander in Chief" is our leader's title in a time of war. Can anyone imagine Jefferson or Lincoln wearing a jacket and hat emblazoned with "Commander in Chief" as has our current President? When people came to make George Washington king, he put on spectacles so they could see his human frailty. That is what a patriot looks like in a peace-loving democracy.
This President occasionally says he took an oath of office to protect the American people. Actually, he took an oath to protect the constitution. It may not seem as exciting as fighting terrorism, but the day-to-day work of participatory democracy is the life blood of our nation.
The flipside of not having heroes is not having demons either. Liberals must stop fixating on George Bush. Corporations took over America using politicians as sock puppets. It certainly makes a difference who sits in office, but we have not solved our problems if we impeach one of the socks. We must change the system. And the way to do that is from the bottom up.
The Howard Dean campaign suggested how grassroots campaigns can be successful, but liberals must stop focusing on personalities and start focusing on the one thing reactionaries do not have, which is principles. If a future candidate happens to shout in a microphone or cry in public we must not let that disqualify her or him from public service. We are choosing a President, not a stuntman for a Rambo sequel.
The American people have chosen reactionary leaders lately because they show their backbone. True, it is a reptilian backbone, it is cruel, ignorant and selfish, but for most voters a spinal column is a requirement for the job. I would suggest that the backbone of a liberal candidate must be a commitment to improving the human condition.
Progressives must not let ridicule or even political defeat trick them into betraying these values: universal health care, livable wages, civil rights for all people including gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender persons, reproductive choice for women and a planet governed by people not by corporations, religions or armies.
"But what if those principles cost us the election?" you may ask. We need to remember that the religious right rose to power by losing elections. They ran candidates with very strong views using those elections to identify loyal blocks of voters. They then brokered those voting blocks into swing votes in tight elections. Over time they produced a voter base with unshakable loyalty because they gave people something worth voting for. Lovers of democracy can take back this country the same way.
Bertold Brecht in "The Life of Galileo" has a character say, "Unhappy is a land that breeds no heroes," to which Galileo responds "Unhappy is a land that needs heroes." It is a truism of history that heroes usually lead to war whereas peace and democracy are preserved by an informed and involved citizenry. There is no question about it, America will grow tired of the cruelty and ignorance of the current administration. The only question is whether liberals will be at their posts when she does.
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Posted by: YinRising on Jul 4, 2006 1:37 AM
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"When the master governs, the people are hardly aware that he exists.
Next best is the leader who is loved.
Next, one who is feared.
The worst is someone who is dispised...
The master doesn't talk. He acts.
When his work is done, the people say, "Amazing, we did it by ourselves!"
-Tao Te Ching ch.17
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Posted by: farhada on Jul 4, 2006 3:41 AM
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From education system where parents keep blaming the schools for the laziness of their kids, to people burning themselves on McDonald coffee blaming the company to give them "hot" coffee has created a society in limbo. Everyone is waiting for someone to tell them what to do, to follow a reporter, celebrity or what ever, just look at Reagan and Swartzeneger and their credential to become leaders.
I 100% agree with the quote "sad is the nation who needs heroes".
/Farhad Abdolian
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Posted by: rsaxto on Jul 4, 2006 3:49 AM
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Posted by: amazin on Jul 4, 2006 3:51 AM
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Jul 4, 2006 4:00 AM
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Rev. Rigby is a trifle unclear. On one hand he says that the politicians are puppets of the corporations and the people must save themselves with grassroots action, on the other he says it makes a difference who sits in the office.
If he'd strike the second part I'd agree completely. We have to change the system and grassroots is the way to go. I invite anybody that agrees with that to consider joining The Lincoln Initiative.
We are a movement not an organization. There are no leaders, no contributions, no registration, no meetings. Each member acts independently. The only unity is the desire for "government of the people, by the people, and for the people".
The strategy of this movement is unique. It is to fight corporate power for control of both political parties. It is to dictate the platforms of the parties. Parties and candidatess are minor considerations. Once we control the platforms then we can decide which candidates are best qualified to carry out the program.
The tactics used are the successful tactics of the labor unions. Make your demands to the people who can grant them. In this case the demands are the issues of the individual members. And the demands are made to both political parties. Back your demands with a show of strength and an "or else". The "or else" in this case is a threat to cast a protest vote for "Honest Abe". The show of strength is the number of members. The more members we have the better the chance for success.
Consider The Lincoln Initiative. This movement is unique. Don't be put off by the lack of effort needed. Our strength is in our number, not the effort of individuals. Click on A new idea
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Posted by: robmikejas on Jul 4, 2006 4:07 AM
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» Freedom's not just another word for nothing left to lose.
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Posted by: orwellwasn'tdreaming on Jul 4, 2006 4:54 AM
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Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 4, 2006 5:17 AM
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What has happened? The left, far from rejecting logos, and modern communications, have actually embraced them with gusto and are getting very rich from it. We see everywhere fair trade logos, ethical this and ethical that: all using corporate logos as they sell us an ethical way of life just as Mcdonalds sold us a life of convenience. Can't beat em, join em I guess!
Naomi sits in her palace on her royalties, a perfect model of leftism in the 21st century: wealthy, media cynical, and hypocritical.
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» The parties aren't the problem
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» That rug really tied the room together, did it not?
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Posted by: the islander on Jul 4, 2006 5:30 AM
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the fire of passion for a new world must spread through us actually living our principles here at the grassroots. It's our job to create a new community of life on earth. It starts with honesty. Honesty is simple but it's not easy.
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Posted by: Riverside on Jul 4, 2006 5:56 AM
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It is not a matter of can we do it, but will we do it? This means petty disputes are set aside and we ALL focus on the same goals. Fussing is best in a free society, so lets get free again, first.
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Posted by: mnascimento on Jul 4, 2006 6:17 AM
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Thank God that there are many reasonable individuals left among us.
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Posted by: mgorsuch on Jul 4, 2006 6:58 AM
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Values trump faces. Values trump programs.
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» SHARED Values Matter, Above All
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» Lets be clear... the ILLUSION of values matter.
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Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jul 4, 2006 7:25 AM
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What we need more than anything else is to be empowered as individuals and communities. This is what reliance on politicians and the global economy is stealing from us. You want to see changes in the world? Start with your own life. Start with your own community. We simply cannot wait for everything to come from the top down.
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Posted by: LegumeSam on Jul 4, 2006 7:47 AM
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The Greens, however, are simply ignored by the "leading progressives," with a helping hand lent by the mass media, or disdained when they become too popular. Thus, for instance, everyone pays attention to primary challenges to Hillary Clinton's Senate run, while ignoring Howie Hawkins.
The problem is that the so-called "leading progressives" have ignored America's genuine examples of courage and decided to set up a "movement" around the careerists in power. The problem is not that we have "leaders," it's that the wrong "leaders" are being pre-selected for us. Given this situation, more examples of the model of "leadership" set by John Kerry are an inevitability.
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Posted by: pelle_in_goal on Jul 4, 2006 7:51 AM
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No "liberal" candidate running anywhere in November would even surmise that winning without corporate and megawealthy backing. In fact, according to their voting records in legislatures federal and state -- they aren't really liberals at all. And these same politicians and caretakers for the super-rich are even less "progressive."
The Left in this country should be looking to form a new party of the liberals, progressives, environmentalists, and yes -- the socialists. We can all agree to disagree later. Meanwhile we have the greatest bond of friendship that money can't buy -- a common enemy. A very well-entrenched and powerful one.
Sorry, Reverand "Coach." The guys in the locker room here are huddling around in prayer seldom heard at your congregation." Lord...give us the stength and courage to go out and maim the mofos. Let us go forth to shove their butts up their asses."
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Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 4, 2006 8:03 AM
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The study found that, despite the debate being around public services, in the past nine years people no longer believe community solutions are the best way forward. Most people now agree that the best solution to your problems and the best way to grow your wealth and improve your economic situation, has everything to do with individual action, not community action. This is the first time it has tipped to a majorty support for individual action.
This is a consequence of a number of trends. One big part of this is the flood of immigration in the past ten years (the highest rate of immigration in history). This has engendered a society, as exemplified by the muslim community, divided and encouraged to look after itself first. We are becoming more of a defacto apartheid society.
The left-wing government has also been turning over all services to charities and private sector social services companies. This is further fracturing the concept of community action. The left has not spoken out about this because they in turn are getting very wealthy off this, as they become the service provider of choice for the government.
All of this has diminishing returns. In the short-term, it is fine to divide people and to turn goodwill into good business.But over the medium to long term, people start to ask the following questions: why should I help those people? Shouldn't I look after people who look like me? What if, one day, I need the help of the charity that looks after my people? As people become more income insecure, these questions become more stark.
I haven't even begun to discuss the internet in all of this.
We need to be honest about what is going on. And to admit that the right, with its talk of common values, has the platform that connects across these divisions. The left's platform, of endless niche break-up to satisfy the demands of interest groups, while great for business and marketers, is destructive to community action and communities. Those are the facts.
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Posted by: elgeck0 on Jul 4, 2006 8:35 AM
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"I do not want you to follow me or anyone else. If you are looking for a Moses to lead you out of this capitalist wilderness, you will stay right where you are. I would not lead you into the promised land if I could, because if I lead you in, some one else would lead you out. You must use your heads as well as your hands, and get yourself out of your present condition."
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Posted by: gramps on Jul 4, 2006 9:00 AM
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By John H. St.John
In July I will be 85 if I live that long and never in my life have I felt more like Lewis Caroll’s Alice as she stepped into the mirror and entered Wonderland. It is not just that the corporations stole an election and gave us a mental defective for a president. It is a population that, pro or con, accepts the absurd idea that we are at war in Iraq. Even the bloody battles in Korea against Chinese and North Korean tanks was called a “police action”. The bloody attack shown to the world on television and proudly called “Shock and Awe” was done without any declaration of war. The present illegal occupation of Iraq is called a war and the moronic president is assuming all of the powers, and more, of a wartime president while Congress refuses his challenge to the Constitution. There have been other illegal incursions and undeclared wars, Vietnam for example; but at least they were fighting a well organized military organization.
Another example of Wonderland’s juggling of semantics is calling Iraqis who are resisting the occupation and punishing collaborators “insurgents”. When Boston and Philadelphia was occupied by British Redcoats and France was occupied by the Nazis we did not call those heroes who fought in the underground insurgents; we called them patriots. Everyone from the war lovers to the peaceniks preface their remarks with “Our brave troops” completely disregarding the reality that they are fighting civilians with AK-47s and no body armor with helicopter gunships and fighter planes. These are highly paid mercenaries promised college educations who do not have to dig slit trenches or do KP. When they come back in coffins or wheelchairs and with post traumatic stress syndrome even they are betrayed by this government run by our sociopath mad hatter president.
On the other side of the looking glass the country of the slithy sloves is nine trillion dollars in debt. Over half of our tax money goes to the military industrial complex and we have twelve aircraft carrier groups roaming the oceans when there is no possible adversary. Our kindly Jimmy Carter, (peace nobelist) has proudly helped launch another nuclear submarine called, what else?, The Jimmy Carter. The war on terror desperately needs these weapons because if they happen to run across a terrorist they have to nuke him or her. Like the westerner sentenced by Roy Bean to be hung: “This will sure be a lesson to me judge.”
When I was a teen-ager my father sarcastically said that “everyone else is crazy except you”. That was seventy years ago and I am even more convinced that is the case. After WWII I saw a psychiatrist for what is now called post traumatic stress syndrome. I quit him with the words: I don’t want to be adjusted to live in a world that is obviously crazier than I am. You do not have to look far to confirm my opinion. The headlines in this mornings paper should convince anyone.
FBI terror boss never read Moussaoui memo, Patent case poses broader question for Supreme Court, Abu Ghraib dog handler guilty of tormenting, Documents reveal Hussein tried in ‘90s to show WMDs gone, Bush says presence in Iraq will outlast his presidency, Conservatives get a turn at federal grants under Bush, False negatives seen in widely used genetic test for breast cancer risk, bottled water slaking thirst of world’s poor, court overturns conviction in stolen rock art case. Chemcal plants may decide own security, Iraqi official, paid by CIA raised questions on weapons program, the only reason I get the newspaper is for the New York Times crossword puzzle. I am suffering from information overload - all of it wacko.
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Posted by: cityofangelslady on Jul 4, 2006 9:03 AM
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Great writing that made me laugh and think....
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Posted by: Ghoulman on Jul 4, 2006 11:58 AM
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Amen! :)
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Posted by: nim1 on Jul 4, 2006 12:42 PM
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The President is, Constitutionally, the Commander-in-Chief of the military forces, always, not just in time of war. The President is not "Commander-in-Chief" of the citizenery - in time of war or not!
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Posted by: HughEScott on Jul 4, 2006 12:53 PM
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Bush is an easy target, but long after he retires, the neoconservatives that put him in power will still be in Washington, Republicans and Democrats, selling out working Americans, shredding the Constitution, and getting our kids killed in Iraq.
For the truth about the treasonous necons plus irrefutable hardcopy evidence of White House corruption, visit www.FreedomCentralUSA.com.
Hugh E. Scott, author, investigative journalist, Vietnam veteran, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican, Goldwater conservative, Ronald Reagan fan and rabid neocon-hater with a family history of honorable military service going back to 1776.
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Posted by: vangogh69 on Jul 4, 2006 3:00 PM
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One of the biggest obstacles in the way of change, real change, in this country is the right and the left's inability to face reality and to reckon with the full truth that is the genocidal and enslaving legacy of these U.S.A. "But that was so long ago," they say. Was it? There still are reservations and not for nothing are many of the survivors of our genocide (the native americans) plagued by alcoholism and depression, so unfruitful is the future given them by our "founding fathers." Also, though blacks stopped being lynched in such large numbers in the 1960's, they were forcibly sterilezed (big up to the Nazis or is it Cold Springs Harbor, care of the Carnagie fund) nonetheless, drugs poured into their communities by the CIA (which they've never denied, btw), and our prison industry/criminal justice system has but become the new plantation. Visit a ghetto (which if you're a city boy/girl I can assure isn't such a far drive away from you if you're curious...maybe you can get on the bus) and ask yourself why the neighborhoods look like Iraq, circa 2006. See that homeless Vet on the corner: is he the face of patriotism? There was a time when the democratic party more resembled the present republican party, but the Civil War and Restoration screwed that all up. Go to the 1950's & 60's, and all those clandestine clansmen who once claimed the mantle of the democrats retreat into the republican party. What was Vietnam or Korea or Japan or Hawaii or the Phillipines? Gun-barrell democracy? But just in case you're a good liberal, thinking your heart is in the right place: that "college education" you believe is primarily responsible for your good fortune in life, has whiteness/white privildge helped you out at all? Do you even know what white privilge is or how it works? Why not?
My point is, Americans (if they wanna get serious) have to have an uncomfortable talk with the past AND the present. This country has much to be proud of...it also has a great deal more to be ashamed of. We must own the fact that yes, we have a Bill of Rights, but yes, we are also a country which incinerated 100,000+ people at the close of WWII (because our COLONY of Hawaii (itself gained through imperial criminality in 1899) was attacked by the Japanese). We must stop looking for leaders, but also stop being so innocent and naive about the way things really are.
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Posted by: enzolima on Jul 4, 2006 3:07 PM
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The problem with htis arguiment is that Americans are collectively the most ill-informed people of the industrialised world. Many Americans are themselves cruel and ingnorent and make up the 35% who support Bush. And, the corporations run the major media so nada will change unless we bring back and enforce the Fairness Doctrine. Oh, to pine for the deeds of Richard Nixon.
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Posted by: rightwing1 on Jul 4, 2006 5:21 PM
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The country wants and needs a strong leader. Bush is a strong leader weather you agree with him or not.
Its sad that values in this country seem to have been ignored by the left - while it has been the center of the rights platform! - the decline in values - increase in porn, religion banned from schools, our ex president have inappropriate sexual relations in the White House.. left or right ..makes no difference.. you raise kids in this country and you wonder how the left supports this decline..America is tired of this hence..the "right" backlash and Bush for 2 terms!
The left needs to clean up it's appearance and act.. show they can put values back in America and not be associate with allowing flag burning, failing to enact Jessica laws..letting sexual preditors go on "no jail" terms.etc..etc.
The only point I take exception with is the inference that only liberals are interested in democracy. Wake up..we are all Americans - the right has just been more in touch with Americans then the left has been!
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Posted by: DRosen on Jul 4, 2006 7:58 PM
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In fact, I believe it is very much in harmony with what some of us are trying to do in Nevada. We've created a Decision Management System, online, at Nevada Vote Direct. The system puts registered voters in our 2nd Congressional District IN CONTROL of their representative in Washington.
At Nevada Vote Direct, registered voters in Nevada's 2nd Congressional District may vote not only on the issues of the day, but also on specific legislation pending in Congress. The system provides secure electronic voting in secret ballots conducted continuously on the Internet or by telephone. People are not obligated to vote, and may vote only on the issues and bills that concern them. But this is not just another opinion poll, for I have pledged that, when elected, I will vote in Congress EXACTLY as directed by the majority of voters in my congressional district.
We see Nevada Vote Direct as the solution to the problem of political corruption, because no lobbyist will even attempt to buy my vote, knowing that my vote belongs to the majority of voters in my district - no ifs, ands or buts.
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PS, this is not a post about the essay which I think is a clear and concise in its reasoning. People need to get involved on the LOCAL LEVEL. I am a democratic committee person and I can tell you that the Republicans own my county democrats but my county is now a majority Democratic county. The reason for this is simple. Rockerfellar Republicans were kicked out of the Republican party and now their taking over the Center-Right Democratic Party. Do we even have a left party anymore? The Greens are dead in my area.
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Posted by: YinRising on Jul 4, 2006 1:37 AM
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"When the master governs, the people are hardly aware that he exists.
Next best is the leader who is loved.
Next, one who is feared.
The worst is someone who is dispised...
The master doesn't talk. He acts.
When his work is done, the people say, "Amazing, we did it by ourselves!"
-Tao Te Ching ch.17
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Posted by: farhada on Jul 4, 2006 3:41 AM
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From education system where parents keep blaming the schools for the laziness of their kids, to people burning themselves on McDonald coffee blaming the company to give them "hot" coffee has created a society in limbo. Everyone is waiting for someone to tell them what to do, to follow a reporter, celebrity or what ever, just look at Reagan and Swartzeneger and their credential to become leaders.
I 100% agree with the quote "sad is the nation who needs heroes".
/Farhad Abdolian
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» What the People Want
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» the tired old hot coffee aurguement again
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www.justice-publications.com/For_a_better_world.htm
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Jul 4, 2006 4:00 AM
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Rev. Rigby is a trifle unclear. On one hand he says that the politicians are puppets of the corporations and the people must save themselves with grassroots action, on the other he says it makes a difference who sits in the office.
If he'd strike the second part I'd agree completely. We have to change the system and grassroots is the way to go. I invite anybody that agrees with that to consider joining The Lincoln Initiative.
We are a movement not an organization. There are no leaders, no contributions, no registration, no meetings. Each member acts independently. The only unity is the desire for "government of the people, by the people, and for the people".
The strategy of this movement is unique. It is to fight corporate power for control of both political parties. It is to dictate the platforms of the parties. Parties and candidatess are minor considerations. Once we control the platforms then we can decide which candidates are best qualified to carry out the program.
The tactics used are the successful tactics of the labor unions. Make your demands to the people who can grant them. In this case the demands are the issues of the individual members. And the demands are made to both political parties. Back your demands with a show of strength and an "or else". The "or else" in this case is a threat to cast a protest vote for "Honest Abe". The show of strength is the number of members. The more members we have the better the chance for success.
Consider The Lincoln Initiative. This movement is unique. Don't be put off by the lack of effort needed. Our strength is in our number, not the effort of individuals. Click on A new idea
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» Freedom's not just another word for nothing left to lose.
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What has happened? The left, far from rejecting logos, and modern communications, have actually embraced them with gusto and are getting very rich from it. We see everywhere fair trade logos, ethical this and ethical that: all using corporate logos as they sell us an ethical way of life just as Mcdonalds sold us a life of convenience. Can't beat em, join em I guess!
Naomi sits in her palace on her royalties, a perfect model of leftism in the 21st century: wealthy, media cynical, and hypocritical.
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the fire of passion for a new world must spread through us actually living our principles here at the grassroots. It's our job to create a new community of life on earth. It starts with honesty. Honesty is simple but it's not easy.
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It is not a matter of can we do it, but will we do it? This means petty disputes are set aside and we ALL focus on the same goals. Fussing is best in a free society, so lets get free again, first.
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Thank God that there are many reasonable individuals left among us.
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Values trump faces. Values trump programs.
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» Lets be clear... the ILLUSION of values matter.
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What we need more than anything else is to be empowered as individuals and communities. This is what reliance on politicians and the global economy is stealing from us. You want to see changes in the world? Start with your own life. Start with your own community. We simply cannot wait for everything to come from the top down.
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The Greens, however, are simply ignored by the "leading progressives," with a helping hand lent by the mass media, or disdained when they become too popular. Thus, for instance, everyone pays attention to primary challenges to Hillary Clinton's Senate run, while ignoring Howie Hawkins.
The problem is that the so-called "leading progressives" have ignored America's genuine examples of courage and decided to set up a "movement" around the careerists in power. The problem is not that we have "leaders," it's that the wrong "leaders" are being pre-selected for us. Given this situation, more examples of the model of "leadership" set by John Kerry are an inevitability.
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Posted by: pelle_in_goal on Jul 4, 2006 7:51 AM
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No "liberal" candidate running anywhere in November would even surmise that winning without corporate and megawealthy backing. In fact, according to their voting records in legislatures federal and state -- they aren't really liberals at all. And these same politicians and caretakers for the super-rich are even less "progressive."
The Left in this country should be looking to form a new party of the liberals, progressives, environmentalists, and yes -- the socialists. We can all agree to disagree later. Meanwhile we have the greatest bond of friendship that money can't buy -- a common enemy. A very well-entrenched and powerful one.
Sorry, Reverand "Coach." The guys in the locker room here are huddling around in prayer seldom heard at your congregation." Lord...give us the stength and courage to go out and maim the mofos. Let us go forth to shove their butts up their asses."
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The study found that, despite the debate being around public services, in the past nine years people no longer believe community solutions are the best way forward. Most people now agree that the best solution to your problems and the best way to grow your wealth and improve your economic situation, has everything to do with individual action, not community action. This is the first time it has tipped to a majorty support for individual action.
This is a consequence of a number of trends. One big part of this is the flood of immigration in the past ten years (the highest rate of immigration in history). This has engendered a society, as exemplified by the muslim community, divided and encouraged to look after itself first. We are becoming more of a defacto apartheid society.
The left-wing government has also been turning over all services to charities and private sector social services companies. This is further fracturing the concept of community action. The left has not spoken out about this because they in turn are getting very wealthy off this, as they become the service provider of choice for the government.
All of this has diminishing returns. In the short-term, it is fine to divide people and to turn goodwill into good business.But over the medium to long term, people start to ask the following questions: why should I help those people? Shouldn't I look after people who look like me? What if, one day, I need the help of the charity that looks after my people? As people become more income insecure, these questions become more stark.
I haven't even begun to discuss the internet in all of this.
We need to be honest about what is going on. And to admit that the right, with its talk of common values, has the platform that connects across these divisions. The left's platform, of endless niche break-up to satisfy the demands of interest groups, while great for business and marketers, is destructive to community action and communities. Those are the facts.
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"I do not want you to follow me or anyone else. If you are looking for a Moses to lead you out of this capitalist wilderness, you will stay right where you are. I would not lead you into the promised land if I could, because if I lead you in, some one else would lead you out. You must use your heads as well as your hands, and get yourself out of your present condition."
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By John H. St.John
In July I will be 85 if I live that long and never in my life have I felt more like Lewis Caroll’s Alice as she stepped into the mirror and entered Wonderland. It is not just that the corporations stole an election and gave us a mental defective for a president. It is a population that, pro or con, accepts the absurd idea that we are at war in Iraq. Even the bloody battles in Korea against Chinese and North Korean tanks was called a “police action”. The bloody attack shown to the world on television and proudly called “Shock and Awe” was done without any declaration of war. The present illegal occupation of Iraq is called a war and the moronic president is assuming all of the powers, and more, of a wartime president while Congress refuses his challenge to the Constitution. There have been other illegal incursions and undeclared wars, Vietnam for example; but at least they were fighting a well organized military organization.
Another example of Wonderland’s juggling of semantics is calling Iraqis who are resisting the occupation and punishing collaborators “insurgents”. When Boston and Philadelphia was occupied by British Redcoats and France was occupied by the Nazis we did not call those heroes who fought in the underground insurgents; we called them patriots. Everyone from the war lovers to the peaceniks preface their remarks with “Our brave troops” completely disregarding the reality that they are fighting civilians with AK-47s and no body armor with helicopter gunships and fighter planes. These are highly paid mercenaries promised college educations who do not have to dig slit trenches or do KP. When they come back in coffins or wheelchairs and with post traumatic stress syndrome even they are betrayed by this government run by our sociopath mad hatter president.
On the other side of the looking glass the country of the slithy sloves is nine trillion dollars in debt. Over half of our tax money goes to the military industrial complex and we have twelve aircraft carrier groups roaming the oceans when there is no possible adversary. Our kindly Jimmy Carter, (peace nobelist) has proudly helped launch another nuclear submarine called, what else?, The Jimmy Carter. The war on terror desperately needs these weapons because if they happen to run across a terrorist they have to nuke him or her. Like the westerner sentenced by Roy Bean to be hung: “This will sure be a lesson to me judge.”
When I was a teen-ager my father sarcastically said that “everyone else is crazy except you”. That was seventy years ago and I am even more convinced that is the case. After WWII I saw a psychiatrist for what is now called post traumatic stress syndrome. I quit him with the words: I don’t want to be adjusted to live in a world that is obviously crazier than I am. You do not have to look far to confirm my opinion. The headlines in this mornings paper should convince anyone.
FBI terror boss never read Moussaoui memo, Patent case poses broader question for Supreme Court, Abu Ghraib dog handler guilty of tormenting, Documents reveal Hussein tried in ‘90s to show WMDs gone, Bush says presence in Iraq will outlast his presidency, Conservatives get a turn at federal grants under Bush, False negatives seen in widely used genetic test for breast cancer risk, bottled water slaking thirst of world’s poor, court overturns conviction in stolen rock art case. Chemcal plants may decide own security, Iraqi official, paid by CIA raised questions on weapons program, the only reason I get the newspaper is for the New York Times crossword puzzle. I am suffering from information overload - all of it wacko.
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Great writing that made me laugh and think....
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Amen! :)
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The President is, Constitutionally, the Commander-in-Chief of the military forces, always, not just in time of war. The President is not "Commander-in-Chief" of the citizenery - in time of war or not!
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Bush is an easy target, but long after he retires, the neoconservatives that put him in power will still be in Washington, Republicans and Democrats, selling out working Americans, shredding the Constitution, and getting our kids killed in Iraq.
For the truth about the treasonous necons plus irrefutable hardcopy evidence of White House corruption, visit www.FreedomCentralUSA.com.
Hugh E. Scott, author, investigative journalist, Vietnam veteran, ex-USAF pilot, lifelong registered Republican, Goldwater conservative, Ronald Reagan fan and rabid neocon-hater with a family history of honorable military service going back to 1776.
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One of the biggest obstacles in the way of change, real change, in this country is the right and the left's inability to face reality and to reckon with the full truth that is the genocidal and enslaving legacy of these U.S.A. "But that was so long ago," they say. Was it? There still are reservations and not for nothing are many of the survivors of our genocide (the native americans) plagued by alcoholism and depression, so unfruitful is the future given them by our "founding fathers." Also, though blacks stopped being lynched in such large numbers in the 1960's, they were forcibly sterilezed (big up to the Nazis or is it Cold Springs Harbor, care of the Carnagie fund) nonetheless, drugs poured into their communities by the CIA (which they've never denied, btw), and our prison industry/criminal justice system has but become the new plantation. Visit a ghetto (which if you're a city boy/girl I can assure isn't such a far drive away from you if you're curious...maybe you can get on the bus) and ask yourself why the neighborhoods look like Iraq, circa 2006. See that homeless Vet on the corner: is he the face of patriotism? There was a time when the democratic party more resembled the present republican party, but the Civil War and Restoration screwed that all up. Go to the 1950's & 60's, and all those clandestine clansmen who once claimed the mantle of the democrats retreat into the republican party. What was Vietnam or Korea or Japan or Hawaii or the Phillipines? Gun-barrell democracy? But just in case you're a good liberal, thinking your heart is in the right place: that "college education" you believe is primarily responsible for your good fortune in life, has whiteness/white privildge helped you out at all? Do you even know what white privilge is or how it works? Why not?
My point is, Americans (if they wanna get serious) have to have an uncomfortable talk with the past AND the present. This country has much to be proud of...it also has a great deal more to be ashamed of. We must own the fact that yes, we have a Bill of Rights, but yes, we are also a country which incinerated 100,000+ people at the close of WWII (because our COLONY of Hawaii (itself gained through imperial criminality in 1899) was attacked by the Japanese). We must stop looking for leaders, but also stop being so innocent and naive about the way things really are.
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The problem with htis arguiment is that Americans are collectively the most ill-informed people of the industrialised world. Many Americans are themselves cruel and ingnorent and make up the 35% who support Bush. And, the corporations run the major media so nada will change unless we bring back and enforce the Fairness Doctrine. Oh, to pine for the deeds of Richard Nixon.
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Posted by: rightwing1 on Jul 4, 2006 5:21 PM
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The country wants and needs a strong leader. Bush is a strong leader weather you agree with him or not.
Its sad that values in this country seem to have been ignored by the left - while it has been the center of the rights platform! - the decline in values - increase in porn, religion banned from schools, our ex president have inappropriate sexual relations in the White House.. left or right ..makes no difference.. you raise kids in this country and you wonder how the left supports this decline..America is tired of this hence..the "right" backlash and Bush for 2 terms!
The left needs to clean up it's appearance and act.. show they can put values back in America and not be associate with allowing flag burning, failing to enact Jessica laws..letting sexual preditors go on "no jail" terms.etc..etc.
The only point I take exception with is the inference that only liberals are interested in democracy. Wake up..we are all Americans - the right has just been more in touch with Americans then the left has been!
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Posted by: DRosen on Jul 4, 2006 7:58 PM
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In fact, I believe it is very much in harmony with what some of us are trying to do in Nevada. We've created a Decision Management System, online, at Nevada Vote Direct. The system puts registered voters in our 2nd Congressional District IN CONTROL of their representative in Washington.
At Nevada Vote Direct, registered voters in Nevada's 2nd Congressional District may vote not only on the issues of the day, but also on specific legislation pending in Congress. The system provides secure electronic voting in secret ballots conducted continuously on the Internet or by telephone. People are not obligated to vote, and may vote only on the issues and bills that concern them. But this is not just another opinion poll, for I have pledged that, when elected, I will vote in Congress EXACTLY as directed by the majority of voters in my congressional district.
We see Nevada Vote Direct as the solution to the problem of political corruption, because no lobbyist will even attempt to buy my vote, knowing that my vote belongs to the majority of voters in my district - no ifs, ands or buts.
Ours is a grassroots campaign. I am a life-long professional musician, not a politician. We need your support. Please look us up and let other people know about what we're doing.
Onward and upward,
Daniel Rosen
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PS, this is not a post about the essay which I think is a clear and concise in its reasoning. People need to get involved on the LOCAL LEVEL. I am a democratic committee person and I can tell you that the Republicans own my county democrats but my county is now a majority Democratic county. The reason for this is simple. Rockerfellar Republicans were kicked out of the Republican party and now their taking over the Center-Right Democratic Party. Do we even have a left party anymore? The Greens are dead in my area.
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