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How Bush Breaks the Ten Commandments

By Brooke Allen and Patrick Doyle, TheNation.com. Posted July 3, 2006.


Though he claims to be 'called by God,' the president is clearly not devoted to following the Bible's most important teachings.

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The Bush presidency is the most overtly religious in living memory, probably in all of American history. The President has stated his belief that he has been called by God and acts as if Americans are God's new chosen people, successors to the ancient Israelites.

Some evangelical Christians claim to base their moral code on Mosaic law, and last year the Supreme Court even allowed a six-foot granite monument engraved with the Ten Commandments to be displayed on the grounds of the Texas State Capitol, advancing the historically debatable proposition that our national legal system is based on biblical sources. But just how good has the Bush Administration's record been when it comes to following the Ten Commandments?





Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image...




These two commandments are of course in direct opposition to our First Amendment, which prohibits the establishment of a national religion and insures full religious freedom for American citizens. But even supposing that we accept Moses's proscriptions, Bush and his colleagues have blatantly broken these laws. Under their aegis, Yahweh's interests have consistently taken a back seat to those of Mammon.



Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.





This translates roughly into a proscription against giving false testimony in God's name. When George W. Bush took the oath of office, he elected to add the optional phrase "So help me God" to the formulaic oath each President must take to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." So, too, did subsequently disgraced Congress members like Tom DeLay and Randy "Duke" Cunningham.




In fact, all these men held the Constitution and its principles in contempt and did everything they could to undermine it. Their success is demonstrated by the fact that the Center for Constitutional Rights has called for Bush's impeachment and has prepared and published a detailed list of articles supporting such an action.



Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.




There is no guaranteed Sabbath observance for on-duty American military personnel in Iraq, where military expedience necessarily comes before religious observance. Neither is there any Sabbath, or for that matter any rest whatsoever, for the millions of Iraqi civilians who live in what has effectively become a full-scale war zone. These people can no longer go to work or to school or to their houses of worship without fearing for their lives and those of their loved ones.



Honor thy father and thy mother.





If we consider Bush's widely unpopular senior healthcare plan and his sustained attempt to eviscerate Medicare, need any more be said on this subject? The president of the AFL-CIO, no less, has called the new Medicare drug plan "costly, confusing and corrupt," "a special-interest law that puts drug companies and HMOs first" and leaves seniors "without so much as a life preserver." As for Bush's push to deprive Medicare of the legal right to negotiate on prices with the drug companies, this is surely one of the more obvious cases where the interests of Mammon have taken precedence over common decency.



Thou shalt not kill.






This is the King James version; the New International Version of the Bible, which has replaced the King James translation almost everywhere, reads "You shall not murder"--a difference so significant that one suspects the Pentagon hawks of having supervised the translation. But the injunction against killing is a time-honored one. The Administration's record in Iraq alone? More than 2,500 US servicemen and -women, and many, many more Iraqis: The estimate of civilian deaths is now at well over 50,000.



Thou shalt not commit adultery.





Two military contractors, Mitchell Wade and Brent Wilkes, are at the center of a scandal that involved paying out millions of dollars in bribes to a group of mainly Republican Congressmen. Wade also alleges that Wilkes played a role procuring hookers for these public servants' delectation at rowdy Washington parties. This is only one of the scandalous fruits of a political culture that has allowed such contractors to gorge on our taxpayer dollars like hogs at a trough.





Thou shalt not steal.





Biblical scholars point out that Moses would have included kidnapping in his use of the word "steal." This leads us to one of the Administration's most terrifying and lawless innovations: the practice they have oh-so-euphemistically dubbed "rendition." Even though Congress approved the President's Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 it has allowed the Administration to abduct whomsoever they please and to "render" them out of the country to so-called "black sites," secret detention facilities outside of the United States where they are detained indefinitely, denied trial and tortured. This, of course, is also in flagrant violation of the Constitution.



Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.






It might be a stretch of the imagination to think of Saddam Hussein as a neighbor to Bush and Cheney, but they undoubtedly bore false witness against him. The Administration's phony claims that the Iraqi leader was allied with Al Qaeda and that he possessed weapons of mass destruction were deliberately cooked up, via the bogus Counter Terrorism Evaluation Group, to justify an aggressive and illegal war.



Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.




What about thy neighbor's oilfield? What about thy neighbor's country?




In the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus said, "If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments." Bush's "Christian" values, like his "compassionate" conservatism, have proved to be nothing but a rhetorical smokescreen for grotesquely un-Christian and uncompassionate policies.




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Brooke Allen is the author of two collections of essays, "Twentieth-Century Attitudes" and "Artistic License: Three Centuries of Good Writing and Bad Behavior" (Ivan R. Dee). Patrick Doyle has developed an old 1884 foundry as a place to promote free speech in the Hudson River Valley.

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Bush and Christianity...
Posted by: aussidawg on Jul 3, 2006 12:58 AM   
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mix like gasoline and water. We are looking at the new living definition of hypocrite...George W. Bush. Nuff said!!!

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» Does power breed hypocrisy? Posted by: eastcoker
» RE: Does power breed hypocrisy? Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: Does power breed hypocrisy? Posted by: eastcoker
Religion Makes The Weak Feel Strong
Posted by: ChristopherLL on Jul 3, 2006 3:43 AM   
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A bit simplistic but absolutely true. The only part of religion that the Bush administration and those who support it embrace is their singular knowledge of who and what God is. And that special knowledge is used to assert their own need for power and control. My God is bigger than your God is their slogan and the use of lethal force their method to make their point. They sound just like those "terrorists" they blame for all the woes of this world. But of course in the end they are; just like them.

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Bush is not, nor has he EVER been, even a BAD Christian
Posted by: xbj on Jul 3, 2006 3:58 AM   
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George Bush is not, nor has he EVER been, even a bad Christian.

What he has been, is a Luciferian Lucifer-worshipping puppet put into place to fully corrupt REAL Pacifist Christianity, as espoused by Jesus Christ by all His teachings and life example, into a warmongering, violent, and incredibly intolerant warped fundamentalist religion of hate, so-called "endless" "Holy" war against Islam and homosexuality and anyone "different" from the "Aryan" American ideal.

Bush climbed into a coffin in a Skull & Bones initiation ceremony at Yale and swore alliegance to Lucifer, and it is this religion he has carried with him throughout his life, only speaking the hollow empty words of false Christianity when it suited him politically, the way Satan himself quoted scripture to Jesus. Bush is consumed with a pathological sociopathic and almost psychopath hatred of God, himself, and all other human beings. Whether or not this stems from the death of a baby sister while a child is irrelevant; what remained was a psychopath child that delighted in sticking lit fircrackers up the rectums of live frogs, who later while governor would mimic the pleas of those he was executing, in greater numbers since anyone before or since, and picked a wife, who, not unfamiliar with personally taking life herself, GRINNED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE TWO WEEKS FOLLOWING 9-11 UP UNTO AND DURING THE ENTIRE FUNERAL SERVICE. LOOK at the tapes. This is HISTORY.

No, Bush is in it for the thrill, for the game of outdoing Hitler. It's not about the money for him the way it is for Cheney and Rumsfeld, although Rumsfeld does personally get off on torture. No, with Bush it's ABOUT THE BLOOD.

ONLY THE BLOOD.


And it's NEVER ENOUGH.

I cannot look at the man or any of his Administration without seeing Sissy Spacek in "Carrie" drenched with blood. Only "Carrie" was a victim; Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice bathe in blood on the White house lawn for profit, sport, and for the sheer thrill of GETTING AWAY WITH IT.

And with Bush and Crew, it's not movie blood; it's the blood of babies, pregnant women, and blood from the asses of wrecked boys and young American men with their faces blown off.

ChristiansAgainstBush.net

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all the other laws
Posted by: rsaxto on Jul 3, 2006 4:32 AM   
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The Bushies are the prime breakers of the ten commandments and of all the other laws that we are supposed to obey. We are supposed to obey the law while the Bushies twist the laws into pretzels so they can break them at will. If this is democracy, I am a pear tree.

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sickofsleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Jul 3, 2006 4:42 AM   
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The commandment says "thou shalt not have any god before me". Bush breaks that one minute by minute, hour by hour. He worships power, adulation, money, all the worldly goods Jesus condemned

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» RE: sickofsleaze Posted by: knocko
For Heaven's Sake
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 3, 2006 4:51 AM   
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"I George Walker Bush, do solemnly swear, that I will faitfully execute the office of president of the United States. And will, to the best of my abililty, preserve, protect and defend the constitution of the United States. So help me, God".
George W. Bush
January 20, 2001
January 20, 2005

Twice, the presideny took the oath of office. Obviously he never had any intention of honoring it. Kind of makes you wonder about his professed reliigious devotion, doen't it? He once said of the Taliban, "We're not fooled by their pretentions to piety". Oh really? Well I've never been fooled by his. NOT FOR ONE MINUTE!
Now he claims that he can ignore the very laws that he's sworn to obey because of a quaint little thing called a "signing statement". Forgive me but just where in the constitution does it say that a president can claim something so ludicrous?

I have one great fear. Do you know what it it? Going to hell. I'd like to go to Heaven but I'm not sure that I'll make it. For many years I drank and smoked excessively and for a number of years I used drugs. I was often quite careless, even thought im my relationships with women. So I'm not at all certain that I'll find myself there.

But of this I am one hundred percent certain: When, at the end of my life, I am standing at eternity's threshold and I find that I am condemned to eternal damnation, it will not be because of the very public stand that I took against this disgusting administrstion from day one. It will be in spite of it.

Any Catholic who supports this president's policies and this war in particular, ought to be ashamed of themselves.

Pray for peace.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

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» Please forgive the above typos! Posted by: Tom Degan
» Don't fear hell... Posted by: Wells
» RE: Gee Whizakers Posted by: symcokid
IS BUSH A CHRISTIAN
Posted by: kirkmuse on Jul 3, 2006 5:09 AM   
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The question: "How does a follower of Jesus Christ order the bombing and killing of innocent people?" I believe there are two possible answers to this question.

1. George W. Bush is not really a Christian, he just plays one on TV for the purpose of getting elected to public office.

2. Being a Christian means nothing. Our jails and prisons are filled with evil people who claim to be Christians. Convicted child molesters are more likely to be members of the Christian clergy than any other profession. People who profess their belief in Christianity can be very good people or very evil people or anywhere in between.

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sickofsleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Jul 3, 2006 5:24 AM   
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If you have a day or two, think of the many things Bush has done then ask yourself "what would Jesus have done"?

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» RE: sickofsleaze Posted by: knocko
» RE: sickofsleaze Posted by: mizpearl
Thou Shalt Not Steal
Posted by: polyquat50 on Jul 3, 2006 5:32 AM   
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Can't believe you had so much trouble with this one! What about the contract scams in Iraq, the tax cuts for the rich and all the other examples of 'stealing' from the American taxpayers. And do I remember something about 'mates' and 'lobbying' and 'perks'? And something about pharmaceuticals companies and health care . . .

I would have thought that stealing would have been right up there with the murder of Iraqi civilians in the administration's list of crimes.

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sickofsleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Jul 3, 2006 5:34 AM   
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Re nothing above, just read where Bush is up in SOME polls. Polls like elections can be manipulated.

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sickofsleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Jul 3, 2006 5:36 AM   
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My Mother used to say "You can go to Hell just as fast for lying as you can for stealing". That's 2 counts against Bush

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It's always "Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!"
Posted by: sheeplepeeple on Jul 3, 2006 5:36 AM   
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Why are you guys so obsessed with Bush? I sometimes read these demcratic sites and wonder why this obsession with BushCheneyRove? Don't you realize that they are just people, and that in a couple of years their places will be taken by someone else, maybe by a democrat, and one who will be even more rightwing that Clinton, and maybe almost as rightwing as bush?

Don't you realize that immigration is the issue of this 2006 election and that the GOP is all over that issue, at least when you compare them to the Democrats? Instead of thought, I just see instinctive animal reactions. It's like the editors of these sites are matadors waving a red flag, and you charge it every time!
Strange!

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» RE: It's always "Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!" sicofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
LakelandBob
Posted by: lakelandbob on Jul 3, 2006 6:40 AM   
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I would only remind you that your statement at the beginning is a bit inadequate: "Though he claims to be 'called by God,' the president is clearly not devoted to following the Bible's most important teachings." What are called the 10 Commandments are given within the context of Covenant - between Creator and People - and they have to be viewed within that context. It is the violation of that covenant which is the most potent reason for questioning Bush's record... and of course the argument can also be made that Jesus' summary of the law - "Love God with all your heart, soul mind and strength and neighbour as self" is the most important ... a summary of Jesus' central teachings, the Sermon on the Mount, which he claimed to be the whole law and the prophets ...

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» RE: LakelandBob Posted by: deaudonnee
RULES ACCORDING TO BUSH
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jul 3, 2006 6:44 AM   
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Our president is not about rules. HE is the decider. So the Constitution and the Ten Commandments (if he knows them) just don't matter. He is not religious or patriotic. These are things he hides behind because he doesn't stand for anything worthwhile. Many people, especially women are intimdated by religion and the men who preach it. It's a very effective and powerful tool. Take a look at the last 5 years. Religion was a private matter. No any more. Thanks, ANNA

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Go read your history or your Martin Luther
Posted by: supercrisp on Jul 3, 2006 8:07 AM   
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Christianity has served for over a thousand years to justify the grandiosity and greed of men like Bush. I understand that people want to transform or renew Christianity by understanding it as a Jesus Movement and so on, which is probably a good thing. But I want to remind people here and now that the “opiate of the masses” crack is dead-on. Religion is used by wicked men to solidify their mastery of those less fortunate (in wits, money, or power--tho wits may not apply here).

If you doubt what I say here, head on over to wikipedia or even the Catholic Encyclopedia (beware of the spin) for accounts of the big church councils held in the first millennium. Then cruise the same sources for any of the fun heresy/pogroms of the early Renaissance or late Middle Ages in which people arguing for poverty or antinomianism were slaughtered.

Of you could take a look at the responses of most Christians to the few churchmen of the Federal Council of Churches’ opposition to the use of nuclear weapons. Or the Christians who supported repression of blacks in America.

Simply, the Christian religion is just another power structure laying around to be corrupted, and there are very few of us of sincere and practiced faith to combat wicked uses of it.

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Throwing the First Stone...
Posted by: ChrisBieber on Jul 3, 2006 8:17 AM   
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who amongst the posters on this board is going to throw the first stone at the fallen sinner?

who amongst ANY OF US has PERFECTLY obeyed the 10 Commandments?

remember Jesus told the woman "to repent and sin no more"...

While our president is not OUTWORDLY repenting, who amongst this boards posters is also refusing to repent for their continued refusal to stop sinning??????

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» RE: Throwing the First Stone... Posted by: mkeeling@jam.rr.com
Accountability from the Presidency is not the first stone
Posted by: boatboy_srq on Jul 3, 2006 9:46 AM   
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It is one thing to judge another on an individual basis without mercy, as described in John 8. It is quite another for an ostensibly moral society to condone patently illegal behaviour on the part of its executive.

We may not "Judge" Bush for his actions. But we cannot allow him to continue to lead this country without compromising our own morality and smirching our own name as a society. He has, in our name as well as God's, stolen, lied, abused the elderly, killed, and borne false witness, as the parent document for this thread (and many many others) has shown. We are discouraged from "judging" this individual for his actions, but we are obligated to either accept his behaviour as President as correct or to take such steps as are necessary to remove him from office and replace him with someone who more adequately represents us politically, legally and morally. We may not be able to assign punishment should we hold the Gospel's commandment true and immutable: but that doesn't mean we should let him stay in office to continue his bad behaviour without being ready to personally assume the guilt for his actions along with him.

Further, in this case, we have statecraft to consider, which is generally outside the pervue of the Gospels. States cannot forgive as easily as individuals: law enforcement, judiciary and corrections would be meaningless in such a society, and the rights of minorities would not need to be enshrined in public policy as they would be observed out of deference to faith. The individual can expect his/her own behaviour to be the best possible, and his/her failings forgiven if such is genuinely desired: the state can only hope for such behaviour, and hope does not make for good statecraft. So long as one among us does not abide by the teachings, the entire system fails.

Last, Bush himself has virtually asked for this accounting with his continued references to a God-fearing society. So long as the President espouses faith so loudly, advocates a religion so strongly, and yet fails to live up to the most basic of Judeo-Christian requirements, he invites this kind of criticism.

Truly, if God actually called Bush to be President, he must have called him to present a clear example to the next ten generations of the worst way to accept such a calling - and exactly how poor a measure any "messianic" compulsion is of an elected official's ability to govern effectively.

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What's so good about a 'christian' anyway?
Posted by: Wish on Jul 3, 2006 10:53 AM   
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Why should I, or anyone, have more respect for someone who calls himself a 'christian', or from any sort of organized religion, than someone who is not a 'religious follower'??
That follows the total absurd and absolutely flawed reasoning that - for instance - a 'christian' is:
1) a good person
2) a better person than others

History, and also the very recent history, and heck, also the present, has shown time and time again, that all too often the total opposite is true.
Sure, there are many a good people amongst the 'believers', but the claim in itself of being a 'believer', does NOT make someone a good person in itself. And certainly does not make them better persons than anyone else.

It is actions that should be important, not the labels that people put upon themselves (and upon others). And when talking actions, if there's anyone still claiming that Bush & Co are honest and just......how do you sleep at night??

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To paraphrase VP candidate Lloyd Bentsen.....
Posted by: Voicedude on Jul 3, 2006 1:01 PM   
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To paraphrase VP candidate Lloyd Bentsen.....

If I met Bush, I'd feel strongly compelled to say the following:

"Sir, I know Jesus Christ. I have served for Jesus Christ. I know a great many true, commited Christians. And YOU, sir, are no Christian."

It hurts me when I see my Christian brothers and sisters jumping on the sheeple bandwagon to support Bush (although MOST of them are very quiet now). It hurts me more to see the rest of America lash out against Christianity, mostly because of Bush and his hippocritical ilk. Most Christians know that good deeds alone will not get you into heaven. However, BAD deeds will certainly keep you out! That is, bad deeds without repentance or changing ones ways ("go and sin no more"). Bush has no conscience, and sold his soul years ago. Plus, the bible shows us that even the devil can quote scripture (Luke 4:9-11, for instance).

So I'll say it again, louder:

Bush is no Christian!

And so, America: How about giving us a break? Please stop blaming Christians in general (and Christ Himself) for all the problems in the world! It is MAN'S choices that created these problems; God gave man the freedom of choice, and most of the time MAN chooses to go in a different direction than the one He would have us take. Christians have had to take a lot of accountability for the actions of Christians in the past; the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, bible-thumping zeolots, etc. etc. But these are NOT God's ways, nor should we view them as examples of His work. They belong solely to Man and his insistance on doing things his own way. But trust me when I say that for every one every hippocritical, lying, personal-agenda-seeking bad example of a Christian you can find (Bush, Ashcroft, Falwell, Robertson, etc.) there are a dozen more who try to follow God's word every day in everything they do. They're just a quieter, humble group that doesn't draw a lot of attention to themselves. Remember the phrase "the silent majority"? Well, it's true - just not in the ways that it has been distorted into. Is there an attack on Christianity today? Yes, absolutely! (we can't even get the same PC tolerance that we're all expected to give Muslims right now!) But 'commited Christians' are under attack nonetheless, even though they are NOT the ones the rest of the world has issue with. Blaming ALL Christians for the sins of a few is akin to saying that all Democrats are like Zell Miller!

Many christians are finally, slowly waking up to their mistakes in backing Bush so blindly. But they only have themselves to blame. After all, Christ was the first one to call for 'separation of church and state'. And no, it had nothing to do with having the Ten Commandments in a court room or removing a nativity scene from a city hall lawn. It was about giving 'Ceasar's things to Ceasar, and God's things to God' (Matthew 22:21, Luke 20:22) as well as being IN the world, but not OF the world (John 17:16-18, 2Corinthians 6:17, see also 1John 2:15, Romans 12:2). "Christian Nationalism" is NOT of the will of Christ, but that of man's attempt to combine the two despite God's teachings to the opposite.

Remember too, that Christians are NOT perfect and most know it. They merely try to follow the teachings of the only man on earth who ever was perfect: Christ. But what's happening with Bush, et al, is NOT merely failing to do God's work as an imperfect sinner, but specific choices to do the opposite of God's Will - and there IS a difference!

Frankly, I don't think Christians should even be in major politics, but that's just MY opinion and I could be wrong.....

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» RE: a note to NC3..... Posted by: Voicedude
Cast the first stone
Posted by: NC3 on Jul 3, 2006 1:07 PM   
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Liberals without sin or who have never failed to do what was right when they knew it was right may now pick up a rock. Everyone else can meet me at the sports bar to make fun of the soccer players and drink a few beers.

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» RE: Cast the first stone Posted by: pomes
» RE: Cast the first stone Posted by: liberazi
Anti-Christ-ians
Posted by: Fang-Face Dreamweaver on Jul 3, 2006 1:13 PM   
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Jesus Christ was a passive resister. Gandhi followed his example, as did Martin Luther King Jr. Ultra-conservatives and blood lusting right-wing nuts like the Bushies do not follow Jesus Christ. They follow the anti-Christ.

Case in point: Church/State entanglement is expressly forbidden by the teachings of J.C. himself. When the pharisees tried to trick him in the marketplace with a question about violating religious law by paying taxes to Rome, he asked them to bring him a coin, which they did, and he asked them whose image was on it. "Ceasar's", they replied, and Christ said unto them, "Then render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasars's and render unto God that which is God's, for my father's kindgom is not a kingdom of this Earth, it is the Kingdom of Heaven."

A clear and present commandment mandating Church/State separation.

In light of this teaching, antidisestablishmentarianism is a false doctrine. A heresy.

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» RE: Anti-Christ-ians Posted by: NC3
» RE: Anti-Christ-ians Posted by: Fang-Face Dreamweaver
» RE: Anti-Christ-ians Posted by: pomes
» Jesus, I don't CARE! Posted by: knocko
» RE: Jesus, I don't CARE! Posted by: Fang-Face Dreamweaver
Commandments were made to be broken...
Posted by: pomes on Jul 3, 2006 2:05 PM   
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A great companion piece to this would be the Stephen Colbert clip with that representative who sponsored a bill to put the ten commandments up in the house chamber, the one where he asks him on the spot "What are the ten commandments?" and the dude pretty much drew a complete blank.

As far as I'm concerned, we can't blame Bush for breaking the ten commandments in the bible because god and his followers on earth break them every day, and all over the bible. I think the first commandment (worship me and only me) is the only commandment the god of the bible and his ruling class followers on earth truly care about.

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there's just one thing wrong w/ your final statement...
Posted by: zombi on Jul 3, 2006 3:36 PM   
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in the closing statement of your article you said:

In the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus said, "If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

now, i'm sure that i am correct in assuming that dubya is a mason (& yes, i know, you've all heard it before & yes, most of the masons are just honest, hard working, blue collar folk...i know this. bear w/ me.) well, seeing as the masons go through a ritualistic death, isn't it possible to assume that dubya no longer considers himself subject to the "commandments" of the living? it even says in the new testament that to "follow christ" is to "die to the world" (of course, this was in relation to whether a christian mans wife could remarry after he left to go do the "good work" & had nothing to do w/ conquering the world w/ economic & military might.) just think about it. i mean really...think hard about that for a few minutes. are you scared yet? does it bother you that maybe we are being ruled by an elite class of modern day aristocrats who are some kind of strange occultists obssessed w/ death. if it doesn't, maybe it should. just look at all the death & destruction they've caused in the world. now look at not only the environmental track record of the companies they partner w/ but their own record of thwarting both clean up efforts & the dissemination of information. i mean, they have to know it will effect them too...the man was educated in history at yale for cryin' out loud, you just have to not care about it...oh wait...he was also a member of a group called...what was it...oh yeah...THE SKULL & BONES!!! are we seeing an obsession w/ death yet? how 'bout this one...do you know what cheyne is? it's not a mispelling of our VPs name, it's a hebrew word that means absolute destruction, the death of all life, the abyss, armageddon & is generally equated to the anti-christ. but thats just a coincidence...like all the red & blue popping up in the movies today.

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and one more thing...
Posted by: zombi on Jul 3, 2006 3:54 PM   
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we've all read the new testament, at least most of us will have & understand that the big J wasn't too hip on political/economic structures. didn't try to outright tear them down, but didn't much care to live his life by their whims (& never got involved w/ them). today we have a concept of hell that has largely been influenced by Dante (fire, brimstone, people buried head first into bogs, all that fun stuff.) in fact, we even get the idea that hell has layers, ruled over by a heirarchy of demons & devils, largely from Dantes writings. many of the true believers out there believe in this vision of hell or did at one time. it is the MOST common vision of hell today in literature & the movies. every sinner has a special punishment. i understand that certain portions of the bible touch on similar subjects & certain lost books go into some grotesque details about it, but none are as in depth or misquoted as Dante. here's the best part of all, Dante wasn't ever writing about what would happen to sinners in the after life. the most popular model of christian hell was actually a political treatsie on the fate that Dante thought the Black party of Italy deserved for their political stance. the Black party believed that the church should rule the state. Dante's own party, the White party, believed that the church & state should be seperated. i don't know. just thought it was an interesting point to make. like the concept for the 7 deadly sins coming primarily from an atheist philosopher. oh, & for those who say, "this is all catholic dogma, i'm a protestant"...where do you think the protestants got their ideas from to begin with?

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» RE: and one more thing... Posted by: Ratskii
Bush Violating the Ten Commandments
Posted by: sabr on Jul 3, 2006 5:03 PM   
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Having a country that says it believes in religious freedom means the government cannot enforce religious doctrines. There was a time when the founders of the country had morals and created laws that incorporated religious edicts into them; but society degenerated over the years. People wanted reproductive freedom, which means the right to terminate pregnancies, people wanted sexual freedom and demanded that homosexuality must be allowed, people wanted to be able to cheat and steal so tax laws with loopholes that benefit certain segments of society were enacted, people want pornography so the lawyers wrote up new laws saying that they just can't decide what that is, it could be artistic so they will allow pretty much anything. Until the moral minority in America stands up and demands it's legislators do something about the degeneration of America, Bush cannot do much about it. People demanded Judge Roy Moore take down the Ten Commandments from his courtroom in Alabama because it could be predjudicial against defendants in trials, there might be more convictions if people started thinking about what God said should be done. There will come a day when the laws the government has enacted will be held up to be scrutinized, changed, and those demanding it will be called fundmentalists, insurgents, or some other name, in the 60's they were subversives and dissidents. Each generation renames those who demand change. At some point there will be a holy war, those with morals vs. those without; it's already happening in South Asia and the Middle East; it won't be Muslims vs. Bush, it will be America vs. the slime in Washington, luck for George he will have retired by then so he won't have to answer for what' s been going on down there.

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America Is a Theocracy
Posted by: Steven Wanzell on Jul 3, 2006 5:39 PM   
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All this only serves to highlight the fact. In Western Europe (excluding England), Americans are seen as primative and un-democratic, due to this. I share this view. America's Sharia is alive and well, along with its Jihad.

Steven Wanzell
artist/activist/ex-American
www.wanzellarts.com.ar

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This is Christianity?
Posted by: pjmax on Jul 3, 2006 6:45 PM   
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This is supposed to be Christianity? Then what's
Satanism?

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Terrifingly true
Posted by: eastcoker on Jul 3, 2006 6:59 PM   
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Again, I am going to share this article with my neoconservative radical religious rightist friends who dominate. I hope to have an impact on them although I have been discouraged from doing so by my religious leaders for months now. All in all, it is very discouraging to be a leftist progressive radical religionist, extremely hard. This article could lead one to despair if one has not said one's prayers todays.

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» I am a pagan? What?! Posted by: eastcoker
Bush is dog spelled with other letters
Posted by: enzolima on Jul 3, 2006 8:01 PM   
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He is as Godless as a person can be. He does not have 1% of the qaulities of a skid row bum who sobered himslef up with the bible. Bush is NO Christian. No way.

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» Jeremiah's Your Name? Posted by: knocko
Jesus is a liberal
Posted by: calibandita on Jul 4, 2006 3:28 AM   
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Jesus & what he truly stands for is love; love of self, love of neighbors, love & respect for animals/environment & MOST IMPORTANTLY....LOVE FOR THE 90% OF EARTHS LIVING BEINGS WHO LIVE IN COMPLETE POVERTY. If Jesus was here today, he would be in this countries' ghettos, over in Africa, In Iraq, ect... Trying to help all of the poor recover from what a few rich & greedy men have caused in their lives. YES, JESUS would be the arch nemesis of BUSH & all his cronies. And the worst part of it all, is that Bush & his posse are fully aware of that fact.

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You'd do better with Perry Mason
Posted by: knocko on Jul 4, 2006 11:54 AM   
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Being a pantheist/skeptic/agnostic/atheist as far as Islam, Judaism and Christianity go I really don't care what the Big Ten say other than in general they summarize the laws of social cooperation most societies have lived by or tried to. But you are citing the Center for Constitutional rights, a long time Communist, Marxist-Leninist front as an authority as to what Bush did or didn't do wrong?

That's like saying Joseph Stalin ran a democracy because no one in Russia in his lifetime dared to say Russia wasn't a democracy, so Russia may have been a democracy. The Center never criticizes leftist murderers; its record of silence on Cuba, Cambodia, and Russian mass murder and repression is shameful. As is your reliance on it as a source of moral authority. Communist agents like William Kunstler typify the sort of "lawyer" that the Center typifies. You no doubt think the thankfully unsuccessful but Marxist National Lawyers Guild represents the best of US legal talent too. Good, call them the next time you are arrested. Instead of bail, you'll get a petition to sign.

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bush the devil
Posted by: hangman on Jul 6, 2006 12:28 PM   
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with all these broken commandments, it must be revealing that Bush is more the devil than any kind of gods servant.

any wonder what happens when certian delusional persons in positions of power in politics use religion and god as an excuse to destroy the earth and humankind.

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God is neither Conservative nor Liberal
Posted by: deapp on Jul 8, 2006 6:46 AM   
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God is neither Conservative nor Liberal. I dault that God is very happy with Bush’s war, that’s caused the death of thousands of Americans, thousands of innocent men, women and children in Iraq. God is not happy with bush’s anti poor and anti people campaign here in the US. But God may not be happy with liberal’s atheism, the murdering of innocent children in the womb and the support of homosexual progression. God do care about the liberal’s concern for the poor and underdogs. God do care about the concern of conservatives trying to protect the family values and the unborn. We are all in the same basket. If God returned today we will all be in trouble when we find out #1. God exist. #2 Gods nothing like we imagined. #3 HELL, we were all wrong.

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Anyone who thinks Bush to be christian shouldn't!
Posted by: CovertRage on Jul 9, 2006 5:12 PM   
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What more do you expect from that swine but the low intellect, gutteral snorting, sneering, and grunting charactieristic of a power-mad neanderthal who purchased the office? Well, I certainly wouldn't expect anything remotely Christ-like for any reason.

Jesus made clear that His Kingdom had nothing to do with this world. His Gospel was good news to the poor, the meek, the lowly, and the very people excluded from the Bush base. Jesus came to set captives free, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, shelter the homeless, father the orphan and fatherless, comfort the widows, bring sight to the blind, healing to the sick, life to the dying, and the Light of Truth to all who received Him. Bush wanted money and oil, and couldn't care less that he's rendering us all widows, orphans, homeless, hungry, naked captives with no freedom because we are not with him or members of his wealthy powerful base of support.

I no more believe that Bush knows Jesus than I believe that an Easter bunny lays chocolate, foil-covered eggs to celebrate the resurrection. Just because the whore church evalgelicals, in their quest to build a new Jerusalem here in the US, all at the expense of a global apocalypse, support his godless schemes to rape the world of coveted resources in no wise makes him or them true followers of Jesus' teachings. If anything, they are all antichrist and anathema, and will be judged accordingly in the fullness of time.

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Anyone who thinks Bush to be christian shouldn't!
Posted by: CovertRage on Jul 9, 2006 5:12 PM   
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What more do you expect from that swine but the low intellect, gutteral snorting, sneering, and grunting charactieristic of a power-mad neanderthal who purchased the office? Well, I certainly wouldn't expect anything remotely Christ-like for any reason.

Jesus made clear that His Kingdom had nothing to do with this world. His Gospel was good news to the poor, the meek, the lowly, and the very people excluded from the Bush base. Jesus came to set captives free, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, shelter the homeless, father the orphan and fatherless, comfort the widows, bring sight to the blind, healing to the sick, life to the dying, and the Light of Truth to all who received Him. Bush wanted money and oil, and couldn't care less that he's rendering us all widows, orphans, homeless, hungry, naked captives with no freedom because we are not with him or members of his wealthy powerful base of support.

I no more believe that Bush knows Jesus than I believe that an Easter bunny lays chocolate, foil-covered eggs to celebrate the resurrection. Just because the whore church evalgelicals, in their quest to build a new Jerusalem here in the US, all at the expense of a global apocalypse, support his godless schemes to rape the world of coveted resources in no wise makes him or them true followers of Jesus' teachings. If anything, they are all antichrist and anathema, and will be judged accordingly in the fullness of time.

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WHY IS THIS ARTICLE HERE?
Posted by: Ahimsa on Jul 9, 2006 9:28 PM   
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Why are we discusing this?
What does it matter if Georgie fulfills or not the duties of whatever credo he chooses (or presumes to) profess?
I may not have understood the message, but this would be more compelling in a context where it can change somebody's mind; otherwise it becomes masturbation, ideological porn.
I honestly, I find it overtly indulgent, even irrelevant.

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