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America's Air-Conditioned Nightmare
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In 1950, the string of nine coastal Sun Belt states from Virginia to Texas, plus New Mexico, Arizona and Nevada, had a combined population of 33 million, less than half the total population of the 14 New England and Rust Belt states that stretch from Maine to Minnesota. By 2002, the population of the 12 Sun Belt states had doubled and then grown by a third more, to 88 million -- almost as many people as then lived in those 14 northern states.
For many migrants, mild southern winters have always been the big attraction. But the price to be paid in summer discomfort is high. The "thermometer" below ranks the major cities across the two regions according to their average summer high temperatures. All of the hotter cities are in the Sun Belt, and all of those but Phoenix and Las Vegas can be oppressively humid in summer as well. All of the hotter cities gained population during the Age of Air-conditioning, while all of the cooler cities but New York lost. Percentage population gains are shown in green, losses in red:

Sunbelt stroke
Seats in the House of Representatives and electoral votes in presidential elections are re-allocated after each decade's census according to the relative populations of the states. In 1950, the 14 New England and Rust Belt states were apportioned 197 members in the House of Representatives, while the 13 Sun Belt states had only 96. Fifty years later, the northern states' membership had dwindled to 147, and that of the southern group had swelled to 132.
That net gain of 86 House seats by the Sun Belt over the more liberal group of northern states has had profound consequences. Of those northern states' current 175 seats in Congress (including both the House and Senate), 83 belong to Republicans, 90 to Democrats, and 2 to independents who vote mostly with the Democrats. The 13 Sun Belt states are represented by 106 Republicans and only 50 Democrats.
The effect of southbound migration on presidential politics has been even more dramatic. Each state gets as many votes in the Electoral College as it has votes in Congress. In 2004, the New England/Rust Belt states went 144-31 for Kerry (or 164-11 if you're not willing to concede Ohio's 20 votes to Bush), while the Sun Belt states went 156-0 for Bush.
Soon after the 2004 election, Hofstra University professor James Wiley wrote an op-ed titled "Blame air-conditioning for Kerry loss."
The headline overstates the case, and in the article itself, Wiley recognized that A/C was one of several factors behind the rise of the South. The economy of the Sun Belt boomed partly because that's where the government spent much of its military and aerospace budgets. The Solid South switched its allegiance from the Democratic to the Republican party not because Republicans promoted the air-conditioned lifestyle but because they appealed to race, sex, religion, and class prejudice, with an unhealthy dose of jingoism thrown in. That strategy has proven effective in the North as well as the South.
Still, the growth trajectory of the South and Southwest has closely paralleled that of the air-conditioning industry. Only a few thousand American homes had the technology in the late 1940s; 6.5 million had it by 1960; today, it's nearly universal in warm regions.
Shifting political ground
The economies of states in the humid Southeast and hot Southwest have grown twice as fast as those in the New England/Middle Atlantic/Great Lakes region in the Age of Air-conditioning, and that has shifted the political ground as well. There's no way the South could have become an economic powerhouse with high-rise cities and sprawling suburbs had there not been air-conditioning.
Visualize the CNN anchors coming on the air in Atlanta with flushed, sweat-streaked faces. Or Houston oil tycoons conferring with lawyers under whizzing ceiling fans, their documents held down by paperweights. The massive Sun Belt-bound exodus of jobs and the people to fill them probably would not have happened had we remained "Hot America."
The clout that came with that southward shift has two politically notorious centers of gravity: Texas (which has almost tripled in population since 1950) and Florida (which has grown to six times its 1950 population). But it has been felt everywhere. As Augustus B. Cochran III, professor at Agnes Scott College in Georgia, put it in his 2001 book "Democracy Heading South: National Politics in the Shadow of Dixie," the South has become more "Northernized" economically and culturally, while the North, and the nation as a whole, have become "Southernized" politically.
That has paved the way, Cochran writes, "for Southern politicians to assume national leadership roles and for traditionally Southern concerns and patterns increasingly to dominate American politics. The Southern metamorphosis is most striking, but it is the triumph of 'southernized' politics at the national level that bodes most significant for the future of democracy in America."
By now, you're thinking, What about sunny California? At the dawn of the Age of Air-conditioning, it was a distant second to New York in population, but it's now far and away the most populous state. It's so solidly Democratic that presidential candidates hardly bother to cast their shadows on its warm soil. Within the state, however, political and climatic differences mirror those of the nation. Currently, Democrats occupy 14 of the 18 House seats apportioned to northern California's Congressional districts, while only 19 of southern California's 35 districts are represented by Democrats. Kerry walloped Bush 63 percent to 37 percent in northern counties, but squeaked by with 51 percent in the south.
Of course, the importance of air-conditioning in California is not strictly a north-south matter; the farther you go inland from the coast, especially in low elevations and down south, the hotter it tends to get. Sure enough, the state's 2004 electoral college map shows mostly blue Kerry counties on the coast and red Bush counties inland.
Rise of the frÃoconservatives
From the beginning, the mass movement to the Sun Belt was led by retirees in search of naturally warm winters and, for those who stayed year-round, artificially cool summers. Many registered to vote in their winter homes, and senior citizens are generally more conservative than average. In 2004, Bush won by his largest margin among voters over 60. Transplanted seniors have helped turn red states redder and blue states bluer, possibly with little overall effect on the national balance of power.
But people of all ages have been part of the southward migration, and it's been going on since the '50s. So a large proportion of Sun Belt voters in 2004 had spent most or all of their lives there and can be viewed not as immigrants but as products of the region's conservative culture (or in the Age of Air-conditioning, should we call it frioconservative culture?) Had they come of age instead in Milwaukee or Boston, no one knows how they would have voted.
As we have learned to our sorrow in recent years, individual states or regions can have wildly disproportionate clout in a country with a closely divided electorate and an 18th-century Electoral College system. In his "blame air-conditioning" op-ed, James Wiley calculated that if the relative populations of states (and therefore their Electoral College votes) had remained as they were in 1960, the actual state-by-state voting percentages would have sent Al Gore to the White House in 2000, and John Kerry in 2004.
Operating temperature
No experiment can be conducted to prove whether air-conditioning has tipped control of Congress or the White House to the Republican Party. But the nation's political predicament is wider and deeper than can be measured at the polls. As the Age of Air-conditioning has waxed, America's social and political climate has deteriorated -- among Democrats, Republicans and independents, from north to south -- and that deterioration can't be completely separated from the climate-control technology that grew along with it.
Imagine a country where economic life, by necessity, slows during the summer. Where potential customers stay home or go swimming on a hot afternoon, so salespeople are sent home early. Where factories simply shut down the line for a couple of weeks. That was this country before air-conditioning, but in 2006, it sounds like a distant, exotic land. In today's rapid-growth, high-consumption "service economy," workers and consumers, like computers and ovens, are components, each of which is maintained at an appropriate operating temperature.
Air-conditioners are not inherently right-wing devices. You'll hear them whirring all over Washington, D.C., this time of year, outside offices occupied by Republicans, Democrats and political groups across the spectrum, from the NRA to NOW and beyond. Only a tiny number of politicians, and no leading member of either major party, would dare put ecological limits ahead of short-term economics. Who's going to suggest that summer be a time to back off and simply not make, sell and buy so much stuff? None will dare say that a million and a half people have no business living and working in a place like Phoenix or that Miami has grown beyond supportable limits. And the ecological damage done by that refusal to slow the wheels of commerce is irreversible (see See Part I).
If it means keeping control of Middle Eastern and Central Asian oil and gas, the White House and most members of Congress have no problem calling for sacrifices: the prospect of a trillion dollars out of taxpayers' pockets, the blood of many thousands, the devastation of whole nations. But don't expect political leaders to ask that Americans save energy by sweating a bit more.
They certainly aren't asking themselves for any sacrifices. As Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., a decorated combat veteran and harsh critic of the Iraq war, recently said of Karl Rove, "He's sitting in his air-conditioned office on his big, fat backside saying, 'Stay the course.' That's not a plan."
The political system is wilting partly because its roots have become shallow. People are becoming less and less inclined to gather spontaneously in noncommercial places, and air-conditioning reinforces that social chill. A shady suburban street on a pleasant 85-degree summer evening can be as free of human life as it might be during a Christmas Eve ice storm. Keeping people indoors and comfortable reinforces a tight focus on the individual or nuclear family rather than a larger community, and that is part of what's crippling grassroots political action.
Air-conditioning helps numb us to the prospect of ecological breakdown on a planetary scale as well. It's more tempting to think of global warming as a problem that only people in sweltering Bangladesh will have to deal with when we view their flood-prone plight from a seat in a cool living room or movie theater.
Handing ammunition to the energy hawks
Lack of toughness in dealing with summer heat and personal discomfort will make any efforts to kick the carbon habit seem just as feeble. Clinging to air-conditioning as a necessity is the best way to prove anti-ecological conservatives right when they dismiss renewable energy as inadequate. Better insulation and 'green' energy can never be enough to satisfy the nation's summer demand for A/C. Just to air-condition buildings -- and do nothing else -- would require eight times as much electricity from renewable energy as is currently produced.
In a paper published in the journal Science in 2002, a team of 18 leading energy researchers predicted what would be required to supply the world's expected energy needs in the year 2050 without adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. Finding, in the words of a press release announcing the article, that "no existing alternative energy source, nor combination of sources, currently exists that could adequately replace the energy produced by fossil fuels," they struggled to identify as-yet-undeveloped technologies that could supply the planet's needs, assuming per-capita consumption remains similar to today's.
Few of the strategies they considered -- including outlandish ones like a set of 660 photovoltaic solar arrays, each the size of Manhattan Island, placed in outer space -- appear likely to become reality. And, warned the authors, "the disparity between what is needed and what can be done without great compromise may become more acute as the global economy grows." The only effective approach will be to slash current energy consumption, especially where it is most wasteful.
Along with keeping cars parked, we could start by throwing open a few windows. The United States devotes 18 percent of its electricity consumption just to air-condition buildings. That's more than four times as much electricity per capita as India uses per capita for all purposes combined.
Producing that power for climate control in our interior spaces is playing a big role in distorting the planet's climate. To achieve the deep reduction in our greenhouse gas emissions that's going to be necessary, while insisting that we remain an air-conditioned nation, would take us into the realm of science fiction -- or maybe into a nuclear power-plant construction boom.
The nuclear option
Lacking political will to urge restraint or sacrifice, a growing number of lawmakers in both parties are considering the nuclear option. Conventional thinking seems to be leading mainstream environmentalists in the same direction. The venerable organization Environmental Defense is taking tentative first steps down that grim cul-de-sac. Here is its president Fred Krupp, speaking to NPR a year ago: "I think we have to have an open mind and certainly ask the serious tough questions about nuclear power that, um, need to be asked. And we should not just throw it off the table from the get-go."
The Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) has taken a similar position: that if fuel and wastes can be dealt with safely, "NRDC would not seek to exclude nuclear generation from competing on a level playing field with other reduced-carbon energy sources."
Luxuries like comfort air-conditioning are affordable only in a make-believe world with unlimited fossil fuel reserves and a method for pumping carbon dioxide into outer space (or unlimited tolerance for nuclear disaster and storage for radioactive wastes). In a greenhouse future, we will need every kilowatt we can squeeze out of wind machines, solar arrays, and biomass just to fulfill essential needs. None will be left over for cooling down the Astrodome.
If it now seems absurd to suggest that Americans give up air-conditioning, it's because we've become too used to living in the land of plenty. In her history "Air Conditioning America: Engineers and the Controlled Environment, 1900-1960," Gail Cooper tells how the U.S. government's War Production Board in May 1942 banned the manufacture or installation of air-conditioning systems "solely for personal comfort." Plans were even drawn up to remove the few existing comfort air-conditioning systems from commercial and government building for use in military production facilities.
The end of World War II and the economic boom of the 1950s brought a reversal of attitude that is still with us today. Cooper quotes one industry executive of the time who announced, "The problem has been one of selling the public on the idea that air-conditioning is no longer a luxury." But, says Cooper, that idea didn't require much selling: "Architects, builders and bankers accepted air-conditioning first, and consumers were faced with a fait accompli that they had merely to ratify."
If air-conditioning could be banned by the United States in wartime and then be declared a necessity in a time of abundance, we need not regard it as inevitable today. In an era when air-conditioning systems are proliferating, heating up the planet and chilling the social and political climate, their most important feature has become the "off" switch.
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Posted by: bttl on Jun 29, 2006 3:34 AM
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It's an interesting correlation and it makes sense- so now what?
In terms of nukes- put them in your sunny backyards folks- I live up north and don't do AC- in fact I'm totally off-grid and have been for years. So if you want nukes so much in order to make Tuscon and Houston liveaable in August, locate the nuke plants there. Just don't make me pay to clean up your mess.
Do you ever wonder why countless billions of people who live in areas of the world where it gets really hot manage to survive without AC? There is no way to survive without a form of heat in the far north in winter, although many of us use wood, a renewable resource as the backbone of our winter heat. But AC?
Ah well- as the fossil fuel supplies dwindle, so may the south......
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Michael Townes Watson, author of America's Tunnel Vision--How Insurance Companies' Propaganda Is Corrupting Medicine and Law. www.AmericasTunnelVision.com.
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Posted by: YogiBear on Jun 29, 2006 3:56 AM
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They can't, at least, not with the pro-industry buerocracy we have. Going ahead with more nuclear power is inviting a disaster, or a series of disasters. Since 9/11 policing nuclear reactors has actually gotten more lax. That the biggie enviro-organizations don't see this shows me that someone needs to clean house.
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Posted by: Urstrly on Jun 29, 2006 4:01 AM
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Today, in the Northeast, I depend on AC to keep my asthma at bay. I'd like to raise the windows, but the pollen and pollution (much of it caused by fossil fuels, burned to create electricity which power the AC, etc.) are overwhelming, especially on hot, muggy days. Of course, I got the asthma as an adult, probably from living near a bus terminal.
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Posted by: HeroesAll on Jun 29, 2006 4:33 AM
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Down here, we get winter where the temp goes between 2C and 15C (35F to 59F), proper spring with Big Winds, autumn (but not fall, since not many Australian plants are deciduous), and summer. Ahhh, summer. Temperatures then go from a daytime high of 35 (95) to about 45 (113). In Ceduna, which is a rough town in the middle of thousands of acres of red dirt, it can get up to about 53 (127). Ouch. A lot.
To me the difference between 45 and 53 is kind of immaterial, since at anything over about 40, breathing burns. The most difficult part is night-time, if the hot spell goes on for too long, because the heat soaks in through the house and it's impossible to sleep. I once lived in a house which was so badly designed for the climate that summers meant lying awake feeling the currents of hot air generated by the heat radiated off the walls. Scary stuff.
And of course retail emporia deliberately set their air-cons way too low during summer, so that walking into a store is pleasantly cool for about 3 seconds, then becomes unpleasantly clammy and chill. But the heat is sometimes so intense that it's hard to entice people into the streets between house and shops, because everyone knows that, no matter how well chilled their house and car, at some stage they'll have to brave the furnace.
Personally, I cope during summer by lying around under the ceiling fans, drinking lots of water, and complaining ;-). But then, I've lived in a lot of houses that had poor design and pathetic climate control, at times when I had bugger-all money, so I've learned and adapted. And I think that many people are completely resistant to the idea of having (gasp!) less air con even though they've never tried it. The thought of coping with natural (and reasonable, not like summer) variations in temperature makes them get very cranky and defensive, as if you're asking them to sacrifice their children or something. Odd.
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The Solid South switched its allegiance from the Democratic to the Republican party not because Republicans promoted the air-conditioned lifestyle but because they appealed to race, sex, religion, and class prejudice, with an unhealthy dose of jingoism thrown in. That strategy has proven effective in the North as well as the South.
Again, what kind of progressive party is it that sees the common people as the bad guy? I thought the progressive party is supposed to see the rich as the bad guy? But in this article we see yet another example of how the Democratic political philosophy is built around the idea that ordinary Southerners are somehow inherently bad and racist. I think they are no more racist than any other people, black or white or brown. The bad people are the ones at the top. Everywhere at the top. That is what any progressive party is supposed to be about--protecting the ordinary people from the ones at the top.
So, I think that this idea of the Democrats that the Southerners are bad to the core and the the GOP appealed to this badness, that is what pushed the Southerners away from the Democrats. Why would any voter vote for a party that thinks the voter is bad?
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Posted by: Gretchen on Jun 29, 2006 7:49 AM
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However, there is some evidence that the brain works better in cold weather than hot. Nevertheless, if fewer people go outside, prefering to stay indoors in air conditioned homes and offices and cars, that would not seem to matter either.
Perhaps its more that large cities tend to attract the creatives, more diversity, more opportunities for broadening of one's perspective. Large metropolises have always been more liberal. Except for Los Angeles, that is quite liberal, for example, most of Southern California is suburb and commuters, who have little time to become informed.
I would bet also that fewer people in suburbs and small towns get international news and live more in their provincial minds and environments. What international or national news they get is from the Faux News MSM stations lead by Fox, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. which, contrary to GOP spin, have gone completely right wingnut in slant-with few exceptions--all spouting the party line lock stock and smoking gun. The same can be said of the majority of "news" listened to by commuters on the wingnut owned radio waves. (Although Air America and a few others are making some inroads.)
So for example, while Austin is known by some to be the "Berkeley" of Texas, most of the surrounding commuter 'burbs are extremely conservative, such as Williamson County to the north.
I think you will find that the largest cities, whether in warm or cold climates, are almost always more liberal than not!
Bottomline is that air conditioning per se probably has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with political philosophies!
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Don't we have enough problems to solve without constantly looking for something else to blame? This is exactly why the left loses again and again: Too many issues, no focus, and no plan.
Stop wasting our time with trivialities and get back to fixing the problems instead of the blame.
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Looks like we'll probably just keep burning through all our natural resources until the reality of those resources being finite will force an end our wasteful ways. The US is already engaged in at least one obvious resource war (started by someone from the US southwest), you can plan for more.
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Posted by: wdzeller on Jun 29, 2006 10:33 AM
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However, I believe that the true gist of this article can be interpreted from the following quote:
" If air-conditioning could be banned by the United States in wartime and then be declared a necessity in a time of abundance, we need not regard it as inevitable today. In an era when air-conditioning systems are proliferating, heating up the planet and chilling the social and political climate, their most important feature has become the "off" switch. "
Now the "progressives" are bitching about the energy we derive from coal, and of course they think that they have a "solution" to this problem of "heating up the planet and chilling the social and political climate", which can pretty much be summed up like this:
Since people won't willingly stop buying electricity to run their A.C.'s, perhaps something can be done to BAN it, or, more likely, onerous Government regulations can be applied to make the electricity unaffordable, hence, the evil A.C. can be eliminated. Ah, another dream exposed of every socio-collectivist (the American left).
Now, time for a positive comment!
If these odious folks keep up this paper trail where all of these notions are posted in the public realm, where common ordinary people are free to read these notions, then they'll never be able to win elections in the Southern U.S., or in many other places for that matter.
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Posted by: greenman on Jun 29, 2006 12:15 PM
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That said, conservation of energy is a key element in any plan to reverse global warming. Better building design, non-AC cooling schemes, better insulation and more efficient motors would - among other things - result in less power usage. The main thing, however, is to get off our collective backside, and to begin to confront this huge problem NOW.
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Personally, I think the slowed-down summers sound lovely, but I'm dubious about whether they'd be accepted anymore. If there's a way to allow people to be comfortably productive during the summer without having to run AC to do it.
So what about something that goes a little beyond those aforementioned alternative cooling methods? Something that gets at least a little bit closer to the comfort provided by AC without the energy suckage of AC?
I'm just wondering if anyone knows of any ideas that may be out there like this not getting much publicity because they're not as comfortable as AC, or not as cheap, or whatever. For example, evaporative cooling, perhaps, although I'm sure someone can speak to the water issues that come with that option.
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Posted by: larry278 on Jun 29, 2006 1:12 PM
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I've existed in areas that have a temperature of 112 f during daylight & 98 f after dark with 95% humidity. Siestas & wearing light loose clothes & sandals without socks help but try working in an office as a fan stirs the papers not held down by weights. A gas fridge filled with non carbonated beverages isn't much help. In such a climate one does not live one exists.
Then there are those of us who are very private people who will not venture onto a porch or outside. A darkened high ceilinged room with a large ceiling fan is our natural habitat. Only ignorant Goddamned Yankees, Englishmen & mad dogs venture outside when it's 85f or more.
In a/c I can breathe & work without being annoyed by sweat.
Your words remind me of the words of T R Roosevet praising the strenious life. Both are nonsense. The strenious life of T R is drudgery if fate forces you to live by manual labor. Life with out a/c is hell when the temperature is above 80 f.
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Posted by: birdman on Jun 29, 2006 1:25 PM
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(Just kidding ... I think.)
"Imagine a country where economic life, by necessity, slows during the summer. Where potential customers stay home or go swimming on a hot afternoon, so salespeople are sent home early. Where factories simply shut down the line for a couple of weeks."
Sounds like a more balanced way to live, don't you think? Sounds great to me at any rate.
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Posted by: chief of okeefe on Jun 29, 2006 6:41 PM
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No wonder the republicans enjoy untrammelled power to kill and steal and destroy. All these "progressives" are busy tilting at windmills trying to keep us from eating meat, or using A/C, or accepting stone-age economic conditions on the odd chance the earth might be a degree cooler.
Here is a clue: you need to get the support of PEOPLE to stop the republicans. If they live where it is 91 degrees at 3pm, do not talk about taking away the A/C! That is a sure loser. Get that? LOSER.
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Posted by: jonwilson on Jun 29, 2006 10:10 PM
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It is a proven fact that children are more likely to vote like their parents.
It is also a proven fact that liberals are having more abortions than conservatives.
If there were no abortions, the increased number of would be Democrat voters during the last elections would have been enough to swing the election against Bush.
Read the facts for yourself.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110006913
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Posted by: AmericanVictim on Jun 29, 2006 11:34 PM
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HERE IS YOUR STATEMENT regarding the Southern States gaining seats in the House pre- and post- air-conditioning era: ....."That net gain of 86 House seats by the Sun Belt over the more liberal group of northern states has had profound consequences."
Do you see what you're doing here? You are making assumptions about someSouthern States being historically Republicans that just aren't true. Historically, the South has produced and still produces Democrats, including liberal ones, and the South has carried these Southern Democrat candidates. Jimmy Carter, for example. Jimmy Carter was on the tail-end of the cusp of the beginnin of the air-conditioning era, wasn't he? Jimmy Carter, the last true liberal Democrat in American History, carried many Southern States in those elections, didn't he?
Let's do some research on this, why don't we, to see just what States voted for and against Jimmy Carter, and just which States voted for and Against Ronald Reagan when Reagan ran against Carter.
I won't even go into it any more with you, because I don't know how you can make such comments like that?
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Posted by: nunyabinis on Jun 30, 2006 2:56 AM
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Let me spell it out for you. You Libs are losing because of your stand on the ISSUES and because you've moved so far left that you've gone beyond mere Socialist thought to the very fringe of Communist thought. Hell, even far left wingers of the 60's and 70's would be considered right-wing homophobic bigots by today's standards.
If you think that allowing homosexuals to marry is in the same league with treating black Americans like human beings, you have another think coming.
If you think that the New York Times printing classified national security information is "saving" America, you have another think coming.
If you think that the curtailing of AC is pivotal for you Libs to win future elections, you DEFINATELY have another think coming.
You Libs keep it up and you'll be relegated to the ash heap of history. Watching the disentergration of what was once a truely great political party is fascinating..... and sad. By taking the extreme far left position on EVERYTHING, you are ironically insuring your worst nightmare...... one party Govertnment run by the very people you loath...... right wingers.
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Posted by: caple66wood on Jul 1, 2006 7:34 AM
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Anyway, banning air conditioning would require the (energy-intensive) rebuilding or replacement of just about every building of any size built in the last fifty years in a quarter of the country.
A personal note: I live in Alabama and have emphysema. You'll pry my air conditioner from my cold, dead hands.
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Posted by: hewton on Jul 1, 2006 7:58 AM
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We are prisoners of architecture.
The traditional building designs in all the non-ACed hot, hot parts of the world have evolved to deal with the heat. Not here.
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Posted by: bambic on Jul 1, 2006 11:37 AM
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One day last week, she went to work at her part-time job and forgot to turn her A/C from fan to cold air and came very close to losing her cat and dog. We put them in a tepid tub of water to cool them down, and she can barely live with the guilt she feels for forgeting to turn the fan to cold. But the animals are fine.
Politically correct or not, what are we Arkansans supposed to do? Give up our beloved pets, or do what we can to make them as healthy and comfortable as we can, ourselves included?
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Posted by: sergeshpin on Jul 1, 2006 11:53 AM
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You have no communities. you have no real friendship. I recall with nostalgy those times. I knew everyone in my neighbourhood and everyone knew me. Here, i do not know even thjos ewho live in the house next to mine.
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Posted by: bewareofchairs on Jul 1, 2006 1:37 PM
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I found it amazing how cold everyones houses and all the hotels and apartments I stayed in were. My house in summer was warmer than the apartments were. yet outside it was 10C warmer.
The Brits seek the heat but the Americans seem to run away from it.
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Posted by: sergeshpin on Jul 1, 2006 2:14 PM
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there must be building standards, to insure that houses can wistand higher temperatures, it is wise to plan mature trees around houses too. grape wines is a very good way to insulate your house against the sun. it tends to climb walls and cover the whole side of houses. very good shade protection against sun. there are a lot of things that can be done with modern technology and hundreds years old technologies to make houses cool and save a lot of energy and money. fuel crisis could have been actually postponed for decades unless new technologies come into existence.
but people should be ready to sacrifice something, it is wise cause if they do not , they shall pay dearly in the future and may be not the distant one.
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Posted by: cthelyt on Jul 1, 2006 6:47 PM
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The vast majority of office buildings, the biggest energy consumers and wasters, were designed with large, immovable windows and a central a/c system. During the Carter administration, good ol' Jimmy made all of us suffer miserably in our windowless, airless inside offices (though the bigwigs suffered in their windowed ones too) when he mandated minimum summer indoor temps of 78 degrees. The humidity produced by many people in airless, close quarters was unbearable. Productivity plummeted even though many of us put many fans to work at or near our desks. And no, we weren't dressed in suits; t-shirts and shorts wouldn't have made much difference anyway.
At home, though, I agree. People can cut down on the a/c. But in the office when you have to put out, you've got to have it. Been there, done that. Sorry, no way.
Nuclear power sounds fine to me, and will be to the vast majority of our coworkers and neighbors. Drag an iceberg to NY harbor for me, put Hillary and Chuck Schumer on it flapping their arms to move some air, and I may sing a different tune.
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If the ITER project succeeds, in 20-30 years we will again have cheap electricity -- from nuclear fusion. Hope that it does.
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Posted by: fairleft on Jul 3, 2006 7:37 PM
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I agree on the vast wastefulness of air-conditioning, the 18% of total energy costs is eye-opening, but that's a separate issue. And obviously a political loser. I write as I sit in my underwear in my sweltering apt, air conditioner off.
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Posted by: sjm30741 on Jul 3, 2006 9:23 PM
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I live in an 80 year old house, inherited from my grandparents, which has no a/c or heat systems installed. Winters used to be handled economically with a kerosene heater, but that nearly put me in bankruptcy last winter. I do not have the money to have a "system" installed, and I do not purchase window a/c units because I couldn't afford the power bill if I did. The power bill has kept me from using electric heaters in the past, but I now think it will be cheaper than what I spent for kerosene last winter. We'll see.
I agree that we have more important things to talk about than whether or not a/c has had a direct impact on our national politics. Maybe it just becomes too much to contemplate, that we are much too close to becoming a fascist nation. Maybe we need the diversion that articles like this provide, just to maintain our sanity.
I am annoyed when people attempt to deny and defend the very real problems we have in the South. We certainly have no monopoly on racism/bigotry (parents in the North fought forced desegregation as well) but I see few in other regions of the country who proudly run it up a flagpole and claim it as their natural heritage which they will adamately and ignorantly defend. I know our schools remain behind those of other regions, as do our overall statistics for the well-being of our children. Too many of our citizens never find the way to overcome the disadvantages of their upbringing.
My earliest political memories are of John Kennedy's campaign and the comments made about the fact that he was Catholic. Then on the day of his assasination, comments to the effect that he "got what was coming to him" because he wanted to help the Negros achieve true equality. (Bear in mind that I am cleaning up these comments considerably to make them acceptable for public viewing.) My older siblings absorbed this cultural attitude and vote Republican. I don't know why I came to have a differnt conscience and consciousness of my environment. I do know that no one is helped when we dismiss or deny the very real continuing problems with racism, religious bigotry, and ignorance here in the South. I do agree that insults are not the way to help overcome the problem, but saying it does not exist is dangerous and stupid.
I am proud of our Southern heritage in a way much different from those who assert their right to display a rebel flag. I understand the profound hardship suffered in the South for decades following the Civil War, and I admire the survival skills of my/our ancestors to cope with great adversity. I would hope my fellow Southerners, and those transplanted here from other regions, could come to appreciate what we have really accomplished here in spite of our personal prejudices and disadvantages.
We Southerners are like people everywhere- we want to be respected. A Progressive politician who can convey a sincere respect for us in the South (instead of ignoring us, as most have done for the past 20 years) should have little problem getting our votes.
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Posted by: bopfrog on Jul 4, 2006 9:05 AM
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our real issue here is that we as a people (as in humans... that is a people right?) are faced with realities which are too overwhelming to bite off in one chunk. so our machiavellian trained politicians and media serve up just that which can be pallated and excreted without impact on our socio/spiritual forms. it is no secret that they do so also slanting view points to their own material gain.
even if i hated gays and mexicans (making a gay mexican the antichrist i guess), i would never see either of these issues as pressing at the moment (not that the antichrist is any one to underestimate, but you know what i mean). someone has to realise that A REAL SERIOUS ISSUE is that there have been a few tiny groups of people slaughtering and enslaving mankind (ok, i admit it, i love the brain slugs) through material coersion or force ever since they figured out that they could. it's not capitalism that hurts us, it's the capital. it's not the corporation, it's their lack of accountability. it's not the monarch, it's his steadfast faith in the material "gains" proven time and time again by his methodology (ok, that one can be taken apart pretty easily, but remember there is SOMEone getting rich).
my point in this frustrated rave is that 1. old problems don't go away when we stop talking about them, and 2. we are indeed personally responsible for our children, our neighbor's children, the world's children, and most importantly the offspring of the philosophy that greed is our most humanising factor and that which brings order and balance to society. of course capitalism "works" the way it is when you look at the agenda on the table. ac is important, but it is a moot point once we start evaluating the rationalle which allow any of us to turn one on in the first place.
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Posted by: sreynolds on Aug 8, 2006 4:34 AM
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(I also have severe asthma, so don't believe the posters that claim it is heat that sets off asthma - it is cold.)
How many of these comments boil down to: "southerners are bad because they use air conditioning, but it's okay for us to use heat in the winter because we have to do it"? What hypocrites!
Come on, now, use your brains people. The south without A/C is infinitely more liveable than the north without heat. Take it from someone who has actually tried both.
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Posted by: bttl on Jun 29, 2006 3:34 AM
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It's an interesting correlation and it makes sense- so now what?
In terms of nukes- put them in your sunny backyards folks- I live up north and don't do AC- in fact I'm totally off-grid and have been for years. So if you want nukes so much in order to make Tuscon and Houston liveaable in August, locate the nuke plants there. Just don't make me pay to clean up your mess.
Do you ever wonder why countless billions of people who live in areas of the world where it gets really hot manage to survive without AC? There is no way to survive without a form of heat in the far north in winter, although many of us use wood, a renewable resource as the backbone of our winter heat. But AC?
Ah well- as the fossil fuel supplies dwindle, so may the south......
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Michael Townes Watson, author of America's Tunnel Vision--How Insurance Companies' Propaganda Is Corrupting Medicine and Law. www.AmericasTunnelVision.com.
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Posted by: YogiBear on Jun 29, 2006 3:56 AM
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They can't, at least, not with the pro-industry buerocracy we have. Going ahead with more nuclear power is inviting a disaster, or a series of disasters. Since 9/11 policing nuclear reactors has actually gotten more lax. That the biggie enviro-organizations don't see this shows me that someone needs to clean house.
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Posted by: Urstrly on Jun 29, 2006 4:01 AM
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Today, in the Northeast, I depend on AC to keep my asthma at bay. I'd like to raise the windows, but the pollen and pollution (much of it caused by fossil fuels, burned to create electricity which power the AC, etc.) are overwhelming, especially on hot, muggy days. Of course, I got the asthma as an adult, probably from living near a bus terminal.
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Posted by: HeroesAll on Jun 29, 2006 4:33 AM
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Down here, we get winter where the temp goes between 2C and 15C (35F to 59F), proper spring with Big Winds, autumn (but not fall, since not many Australian plants are deciduous), and summer. Ahhh, summer. Temperatures then go from a daytime high of 35 (95) to about 45 (113). In Ceduna, which is a rough town in the middle of thousands of acres of red dirt, it can get up to about 53 (127). Ouch. A lot.
To me the difference between 45 and 53 is kind of immaterial, since at anything over about 40, breathing burns. The most difficult part is night-time, if the hot spell goes on for too long, because the heat soaks in through the house and it's impossible to sleep. I once lived in a house which was so badly designed for the climate that summers meant lying awake feeling the currents of hot air generated by the heat radiated off the walls. Scary stuff.
And of course retail emporia deliberately set their air-cons way too low during summer, so that walking into a store is pleasantly cool for about 3 seconds, then becomes unpleasantly clammy and chill. But the heat is sometimes so intense that it's hard to entice people into the streets between house and shops, because everyone knows that, no matter how well chilled their house and car, at some stage they'll have to brave the furnace.
Personally, I cope during summer by lying around under the ceiling fans, drinking lots of water, and complaining ;-). But then, I've lived in a lot of houses that had poor design and pathetic climate control, at times when I had bugger-all money, so I've learned and adapted. And I think that many people are completely resistant to the idea of having (gasp!) less air con even though they've never tried it. The thought of coping with natural (and reasonable, not like summer) variations in temperature makes them get very cranky and defensive, as if you're asking them to sacrifice their children or something. Odd.
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Posted by: sheeplepeeple on Jun 29, 2006 7:26 AM
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The Solid South switched its allegiance from the Democratic to the Republican party not because Republicans promoted the air-conditioned lifestyle but because they appealed to race, sex, religion, and class prejudice, with an unhealthy dose of jingoism thrown in. That strategy has proven effective in the North as well as the South.
Again, what kind of progressive party is it that sees the common people as the bad guy? I thought the progressive party is supposed to see the rich as the bad guy? But in this article we see yet another example of how the Democratic political philosophy is built around the idea that ordinary Southerners are somehow inherently bad and racist. I think they are no more racist than any other people, black or white or brown. The bad people are the ones at the top. Everywhere at the top. That is what any progressive party is supposed to be about--protecting the ordinary people from the ones at the top.
So, I think that this idea of the Democrats that the Southerners are bad to the core and the the GOP appealed to this badness, that is what pushed the Southerners away from the Democrats. Why would any voter vote for a party that thinks the voter is bad?
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Posted by: Gretchen on Jun 29, 2006 7:49 AM
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However, there is some evidence that the brain works better in cold weather than hot. Nevertheless, if fewer people go outside, prefering to stay indoors in air conditioned homes and offices and cars, that would not seem to matter either.
Perhaps its more that large cities tend to attract the creatives, more diversity, more opportunities for broadening of one's perspective. Large metropolises have always been more liberal. Except for Los Angeles, that is quite liberal, for example, most of Southern California is suburb and commuters, who have little time to become informed.
I would bet also that fewer people in suburbs and small towns get international news and live more in their provincial minds and environments. What international or national news they get is from the Faux News MSM stations lead by Fox, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. which, contrary to GOP spin, have gone completely right wingnut in slant-with few exceptions--all spouting the party line lock stock and smoking gun. The same can be said of the majority of "news" listened to by commuters on the wingnut owned radio waves. (Although Air America and a few others are making some inroads.)
So for example, while Austin is known by some to be the "Berkeley" of Texas, most of the surrounding commuter 'burbs are extremely conservative, such as Williamson County to the north.
I think you will find that the largest cities, whether in warm or cold climates, are almost always more liberal than not!
Bottomline is that air conditioning per se probably has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with political philosophies!
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Posted by: tanstaafl28 on Jun 29, 2006 9:19 AM
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Don't we have enough problems to solve without constantly looking for something else to blame? This is exactly why the left loses again and again: Too many issues, no focus, and no plan.
Stop wasting our time with trivialities and get back to fixing the problems instead of the blame.
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Posted by: anniedine on Jun 29, 2006 9:27 AM
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Looks like we'll probably just keep burning through all our natural resources until the reality of those resources being finite will force an end our wasteful ways. The US is already engaged in at least one obvious resource war (started by someone from the US southwest), you can plan for more.
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Posted by: wdzeller on Jun 29, 2006 10:33 AM
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However, I believe that the true gist of this article can be interpreted from the following quote:
" If air-conditioning could be banned by the United States in wartime and then be declared a necessity in a time of abundance, we need not regard it as inevitable today. In an era when air-conditioning systems are proliferating, heating up the planet and chilling the social and political climate, their most important feature has become the "off" switch. "
Now the "progressives" are bitching about the energy we derive from coal, and of course they think that they have a "solution" to this problem of "heating up the planet and chilling the social and political climate", which can pretty much be summed up like this:
Since people won't willingly stop buying electricity to run their A.C.'s, perhaps something can be done to BAN it, or, more likely, onerous Government regulations can be applied to make the electricity unaffordable, hence, the evil A.C. can be eliminated. Ah, another dream exposed of every socio-collectivist (the American left).
Now, time for a positive comment!
If these odious folks keep up this paper trail where all of these notions are posted in the public realm, where common ordinary people are free to read these notions, then they'll never be able to win elections in the Southern U.S., or in many other places for that matter.
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Posted by: greenman on Jun 29, 2006 12:15 PM
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That said, conservation of energy is a key element in any plan to reverse global warming. Better building design, non-AC cooling schemes, better insulation and more efficient motors would - among other things - result in less power usage. The main thing, however, is to get off our collective backside, and to begin to confront this huge problem NOW.
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Posted by: kateoneill on Jun 29, 2006 12:41 PM
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Personally, I think the slowed-down summers sound lovely, but I'm dubious about whether they'd be accepted anymore. If there's a way to allow people to be comfortably productive during the summer without having to run AC to do it.
So what about something that goes a little beyond those aforementioned alternative cooling methods? Something that gets at least a little bit closer to the comfort provided by AC without the energy suckage of AC?
I'm just wondering if anyone knows of any ideas that may be out there like this not getting much publicity because they're not as comfortable as AC, or not as cheap, or whatever. For example, evaporative cooling, perhaps, although I'm sure someone can speak to the water issues that come with that option.
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Posted by: larry278 on Jun 29, 2006 1:12 PM
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I've existed in areas that have a temperature of 112 f during daylight & 98 f after dark with 95% humidity. Siestas & wearing light loose clothes & sandals without socks help but try working in an office as a fan stirs the papers not held down by weights. A gas fridge filled with non carbonated beverages isn't much help. In such a climate one does not live one exists.
Then there are those of us who are very private people who will not venture onto a porch or outside. A darkened high ceilinged room with a large ceiling fan is our natural habitat. Only ignorant Goddamned Yankees, Englishmen & mad dogs venture outside when it's 85f or more.
In a/c I can breathe & work without being annoyed by sweat.
Your words remind me of the words of T R Roosevet praising the strenious life. Both are nonsense. The strenious life of T R is drudgery if fate forces you to live by manual labor. Life with out a/c is hell when the temperature is above 80 f.
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Posted by: birdman on Jun 29, 2006 1:25 PM
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(Just kidding ... I think.)
"Imagine a country where economic life, by necessity, slows during the summer. Where potential customers stay home or go swimming on a hot afternoon, so salespeople are sent home early. Where factories simply shut down the line for a couple of weeks."
Sounds like a more balanced way to live, don't you think? Sounds great to me at any rate.
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Posted by: owleyes on Jun 29, 2006 2:51 PM
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Posted by: chief of okeefe on Jun 29, 2006 6:41 PM
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No wonder the republicans enjoy untrammelled power to kill and steal and destroy. All these "progressives" are busy tilting at windmills trying to keep us from eating meat, or using A/C, or accepting stone-age economic conditions on the odd chance the earth might be a degree cooler.
Here is a clue: you need to get the support of PEOPLE to stop the republicans. If they live where it is 91 degrees at 3pm, do not talk about taking away the A/C! That is a sure loser. Get that? LOSER.
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Posted by: jonwilson on Jun 29, 2006 10:10 PM
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It is a proven fact that children are more likely to vote like their parents.
It is also a proven fact that liberals are having more abortions than conservatives.
If there were no abortions, the increased number of would be Democrat voters during the last elections would have been enough to swing the election against Bush.
Read the facts for yourself.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110006913
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Posted by: AmericanVictim on Jun 29, 2006 11:34 PM
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HERE IS YOUR STATEMENT regarding the Southern States gaining seats in the House pre- and post- air-conditioning era: ....."That net gain of 86 House seats by the Sun Belt over the more liberal group of northern states has had profound consequences."
Do you see what you're doing here? You are making assumptions about someSouthern States being historically Republicans that just aren't true. Historically, the South has produced and still produces Democrats, including liberal ones, and the South has carried these Southern Democrat candidates. Jimmy Carter, for example. Jimmy Carter was on the tail-end of the cusp of the beginnin of the air-conditioning era, wasn't he? Jimmy Carter, the last true liberal Democrat in American History, carried many Southern States in those elections, didn't he?
Let's do some research on this, why don't we, to see just what States voted for and against Jimmy Carter, and just which States voted for and Against Ronald Reagan when Reagan ran against Carter.
I won't even go into it any more with you, because I don't know how you can make such comments like that?
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Posted by: nunyabinis on Jun 30, 2006 2:56 AM
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Let me spell it out for you. You Libs are losing because of your stand on the ISSUES and because you've moved so far left that you've gone beyond mere Socialist thought to the very fringe of Communist thought. Hell, even far left wingers of the 60's and 70's would be considered right-wing homophobic bigots by today's standards.
If you think that allowing homosexuals to marry is in the same league with treating black Americans like human beings, you have another think coming.
If you think that the New York Times printing classified national security information is "saving" America, you have another think coming.
If you think that the curtailing of AC is pivotal for you Libs to win future elections, you DEFINATELY have another think coming.
You Libs keep it up and you'll be relegated to the ash heap of history. Watching the disentergration of what was once a truely great political party is fascinating..... and sad. By taking the extreme far left position on EVERYTHING, you are ironically insuring your worst nightmare...... one party Govertnment run by the very people you loath...... right wingers.
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Posted by: caple66wood on Jul 1, 2006 7:34 AM
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Anyway, banning air conditioning would require the (energy-intensive) rebuilding or replacement of just about every building of any size built in the last fifty years in a quarter of the country.
A personal note: I live in Alabama and have emphysema. You'll pry my air conditioner from my cold, dead hands.
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Posted by: hewton on Jul 1, 2006 7:58 AM
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We are prisoners of architecture.
The traditional building designs in all the non-ACed hot, hot parts of the world have evolved to deal with the heat. Not here.
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Posted by: bambic on Jul 1, 2006 11:37 AM
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One day last week, she went to work at her part-time job and forgot to turn her A/C from fan to cold air and came very close to losing her cat and dog. We put them in a tepid tub of water to cool them down, and she can barely live with the guilt she feels for forgeting to turn the fan to cold. But the animals are fine.
Politically correct or not, what are we Arkansans supposed to do? Give up our beloved pets, or do what we can to make them as healthy and comfortable as we can, ourselves included?
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Posted by: sergeshpin on Jul 1, 2006 11:53 AM
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You have no communities. you have no real friendship. I recall with nostalgy those times. I knew everyone in my neighbourhood and everyone knew me. Here, i do not know even thjos ewho live in the house next to mine.
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Posted by: ladyoracle on Jul 1, 2006 12:47 PM
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Posted by: bewareofchairs on Jul 1, 2006 1:37 PM
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I found it amazing how cold everyones houses and all the hotels and apartments I stayed in were. My house in summer was warmer than the apartments were. yet outside it was 10C warmer.
The Brits seek the heat but the Americans seem to run away from it.
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Posted by: sergeshpin on Jul 1, 2006 2:14 PM
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there must be building standards, to insure that houses can wistand higher temperatures, it is wise to plan mature trees around houses too. grape wines is a very good way to insulate your house against the sun. it tends to climb walls and cover the whole side of houses. very good shade protection against sun. there are a lot of things that can be done with modern technology and hundreds years old technologies to make houses cool and save a lot of energy and money. fuel crisis could have been actually postponed for decades unless new technologies come into existence.
but people should be ready to sacrifice something, it is wise cause if they do not , they shall pay dearly in the future and may be not the distant one.
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Posted by: cthelyt on Jul 1, 2006 6:47 PM
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The vast majority of office buildings, the biggest energy consumers and wasters, were designed with large, immovable windows and a central a/c system. During the Carter administration, good ol' Jimmy made all of us suffer miserably in our windowless, airless inside offices (though the bigwigs suffered in their windowed ones too) when he mandated minimum summer indoor temps of 78 degrees. The humidity produced by many people in airless, close quarters was unbearable. Productivity plummeted even though many of us put many fans to work at or near our desks. And no, we weren't dressed in suits; t-shirts and shorts wouldn't have made much difference anyway.
At home, though, I agree. People can cut down on the a/c. But in the office when you have to put out, you've got to have it. Been there, done that. Sorry, no way.
Nuclear power sounds fine to me, and will be to the vast majority of our coworkers and neighbors. Drag an iceberg to NY harbor for me, put Hillary and Chuck Schumer on it flapping their arms to move some air, and I may sing a different tune.
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If the ITER project succeeds, in 20-30 years we will again have cheap electricity -- from nuclear fusion. Hope that it does.
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Posted by: fairleft on Jul 3, 2006 7:37 PM
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I agree on the vast wastefulness of air-conditioning, the 18% of total energy costs is eye-opening, but that's a separate issue. And obviously a political loser. I write as I sit in my underwear in my sweltering apt, air conditioner off.
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Posted by: sjm30741 on Jul 3, 2006 9:23 PM
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I live in an 80 year old house, inherited from my grandparents, which has no a/c or heat systems installed. Winters used to be handled economically with a kerosene heater, but that nearly put me in bankruptcy last winter. I do not have the money to have a "system" installed, and I do not purchase window a/c units because I couldn't afford the power bill if I did. The power bill has kept me from using electric heaters in the past, but I now think it will be cheaper than what I spent for kerosene last winter. We'll see.
I agree that we have more important things to talk about than whether or not a/c has had a direct impact on our national politics. Maybe it just becomes too much to contemplate, that we are much too close to becoming a fascist nation. Maybe we need the diversion that articles like this provide, just to maintain our sanity.
I am annoyed when people attempt to deny and defend the very real problems we have in the South. We certainly have no monopoly on racism/bigotry (parents in the North fought forced desegregation as well) but I see few in other regions of the country who proudly run it up a flagpole and claim it as their natural heritage which they will adamately and ignorantly defend. I know our schools remain behind those of other regions, as do our overall statistics for the well-being of our children. Too many of our citizens never find the way to overcome the disadvantages of their upbringing.
My earliest political memories are of John Kennedy's campaign and the comments made about the fact that he was Catholic. Then on the day of his assasination, comments to the effect that he "got what was coming to him" because he wanted to help the Negros achieve true equality. (Bear in mind that I am cleaning up these comments considerably to make them acceptable for public viewing.) My older siblings absorbed this cultural attitude and vote Republican. I don't know why I came to have a differnt conscience and consciousness of my environment. I do know that no one is helped when we dismiss or deny the very real continuing problems with racism, religious bigotry, and ignorance here in the South. I do agree that insults are not the way to help overcome the problem, but saying it does not exist is dangerous and stupid.
I am proud of our Southern heritage in a way much different from those who assert their right to display a rebel flag. I understand the profound hardship suffered in the South for decades following the Civil War, and I admire the survival skills of my/our ancestors to cope with great adversity. I would hope my fellow Southerners, and those transplanted here from other regions, could come to appreciate what we have really accomplished here in spite of our personal prejudices and disadvantages.
We Southerners are like people everywhere- we want to be respected. A Progressive politician who can convey a sincere respect for us in the South (instead of ignoring us, as most have done for the past 20 years) should have little problem getting our votes.
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Posted by: bopfrog on Jul 4, 2006 9:05 AM
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our real issue here is that we as a people (as in humans... that is a people right?) are faced with realities which are too overwhelming to bite off in one chunk. so our machiavellian trained politicians and media serve up just that which can be pallated and excreted without impact on our socio/spiritual forms. it is no secret that they do so also slanting view points to their own material gain.
even if i hated gays and mexicans (making a gay mexican the antichrist i guess), i would never see either of these issues as pressing at the moment (not that the antichrist is any one to underestimate, but you know what i mean). someone has to realise that A REAL SERIOUS ISSUE is that there have been a few tiny groups of people slaughtering and enslaving mankind (ok, i admit it, i love the brain slugs) through material coersion or force ever since they figured out that they could. it's not capitalism that hurts us, it's the capital. it's not the corporation, it's their lack of accountability. it's not the monarch, it's his steadfast faith in the material "gains" proven time and time again by his methodology (ok, that one can be taken apart pretty easily, but remember there is SOMEone getting rich).
my point in this frustrated rave is that 1. old problems don't go away when we stop talking about them, and 2. we are indeed personally responsible for our children, our neighbor's children, the world's children, and most importantly the offspring of the philosophy that greed is our most humanising factor and that which brings order and balance to society. of course capitalism "works" the way it is when you look at the agenda on the table. ac is important, but it is a moot point once we start evaluating the rationalle which allow any of us to turn one on in the first place.
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Posted by: aislinnluv on Jul 5, 2006 12:26 PM
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Posted by: sreynolds on Aug 8, 2006 4:34 AM
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(I also have severe asthma, so don't believe the posters that claim it is heat that sets off asthma - it is cold.)
How many of these comments boil down to: "southerners are bad because they use air conditioning, but it's okay for us to use heat in the winter because we have to do it"? What hypocrites!
Come on, now, use your brains people. The south without A/C is infinitely more liveable than the north without heat. Take it from someone who has actually tried both.
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