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The Struggle Between Mothers and Daughters

By Terrence McNally, AlterNet. Posted June 29, 2006.


Language guru Deborah Tannen explores the turbulent terrain of the mother-daughter relationship.
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Daughters, do you feel that your mother is always criticizing you? Mothers, do you feel that your daughter shuts you out? Do you habitually bicker with each other, yet long for approval and understanding? In her newest book, "You're Wearing That? Understanding Mothers and Daughters In Conversation," linguist Deborah Tannen untangles the knots that daughters and mothers tend to get tied up in.

Tannen's bestseller, "You Just Don't Understand: Women and Men in Conversation," brought gender difference in communication style to public awareness. A later book, "The Argument Culture: Stopping America's War on Words," explored why America seems to make everything a battle, a debate, or a war -- and what that costs us as a society.

TERRENCE MCNALLY: In the new book, "You're Wearing That?" you mention that you would often ask yourself, "Would my mother understand this? Read this? Appreciate this?"

DEBORAH TANNEN: My father would read my academic articles. My mother would be impressed, maybe, but she wouldn't read that kind of thing. So I wanted to write things she could read and talk in a way that people like her would be interested in hearing.

MCNALLY: "You're Wearing That?" grew out of a previous book, didn't it?

TANNEN: My previous book, "I Only Say This Because I Love You," was about adult family relationships. The reactions I got -- in frequency, but also in passion -- disproportionately focused on the mother/daughter relationship. In fact, many people told me they heard the title in their mother's voice.

It kind of captures one of the central conundrums of that relationship. Mothers see their job as being helpful, taking care of us, being protective, but anything you do in that vein always implies criticism. If you weren't doing something wrong, you wouldn't need that advice, help or protection.

MCNALLY: Women tend to communicate about personal things more than men. A father may feel that his role is to protect and to care for, but he's unlikely to do it as much in conversation. With a mother and a daughter, "You're wearing that?" can almost never be heard as a neutral question, can it?

TANNEN: I talk about the big three -- hair, clothes and weight. "You're wearing that?" could stand for any comment about appearance. And it's daughters turning that same critical eye on their mothers. Women are judged by appearance, and mothers and daughters feel that the other represents us to the world. Mothers, in particular, do get blamed if their daughters appear unacceptable in some way.

MCNALLY: But it's not just about the Big Three. The same phenomenon occurs with life choices, career choices, relationship choices. Often these two adults are speaking out of their first relationship as a child and a parent, aren't they?

TANNEN: It's about much bigger things -- how you raise your children becomes very loaded. Your choice of partners, lifestyle, all those things. Also tiny things. I cite one conversation where a daughter was making a salad and her mother said, "You're gonna quarter those tomatoes?"

The daughter answered, "Something wrong with that?"

Mom: "Oh no, no, no. It's just that, personally, I'd slice them."

And the daughter's thinking, "Can't I do anything without my mother telling me to do it another way?"

We think we're having a perfectly lovely conversation and then, suddenly, somebody says something and feelings are hurt. When your feelings are hurt, you react and then the other person's feelings are hurt. Each one thinks the other introduced the note of contention into the conversation. No matter now old we are, we want to feel that our mothers think we're great, maybe even perfect -- even though nobody's perfect.

And daughters are the only ones who can give their mothers the final stamp of approval that she was a good mother, which all mothers worry about.

MCNALLY: Your own mother died during the writing of this book. You write that you spent more and more time with her as she grew weaker. How did that experience influence the process of writing the book, if not the content?


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Interviewer Terrence McNally hosts Free Forum on KPFK 90.7 FM, Los Angeles (streaming at kpfk.org).

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Two Thoughtful People
Posted by: Urstrly on Jun 29, 2006 3:40 AM   
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I was intrigued by the thread of this conversation, which began with miscommunication between mothers and daughters and ends with a look into the screaming "talk" shows, which I hate. What, I wonder, can liberals learn about cutting through the debate-ending shouting? The volume always tips me off that people aren't truly interesting in addressing these profoundly difficult issues before us—the widening divide between rich and poor nations and individuals, global warming, the war in Iraq, and, today, new fighting in Israel. Must we be old and dying before we begin to listen to each othter?

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A Nation of...You Know.....Morons
Posted by: Stonecutter on Jun 29, 2006 6:43 AM   
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In one of the all-time comedy film classics, "Blazing Saddles", way ahead of its time, The Ringo Kid (Gene Wilder) at one point tells the Sheriff (Cleavon Little), in regard to the blatant, exaggerated racism of the townspeople, "these are farmers...the common clay of the new west..you know....morons!" If Mel Brooks every wrote a truer line, I haven't heard it.

Alot of Ms. Tannen's observations are trenchant, but I think she misses the boat in a few areas. If a mother has only sons, then her sons will validate her...it's not only daughters that do this. Sons show their love more through action than floral conversation, especially as they grown older and become more independent from mom. When they do some heavy lifting for her, or pick her up and drop her off, or call her to make sure she's safe, or remember her birthday or Mother's Day with a heartfelt card and gift, or in extreme cases protect her from harm or abuse, these are the ways that sons tell mom she's loved and respected.

In my view most ordinary Americans are ill-equipped to handle nuances and complexities because they're woefully ignorant about most areas of life outside their own routines and habitual existence, in many cases under-educated or marginally literate, poorly informed about issues or events--beyond often misleading or deceptive sound bytes and headline news--since they read little and absorb less, profoundly conditioned by incessant multi-media advertising to expect instant gratification---the quick fix---in almost every domain of their lives, and trained by the subtle techniques of market research to react emotionally, rather than intellectually, to most "arguments" or "debates" they may have thrust in front of them by TV, radio, or movies (good examples: the firestorm of polarizing controversy over Mel Gibson's "Passion of the Christ", or the whole sordid Terry Schiavo debacle).

The concept of mutual respect, both for another person's dignity and integrity--especially a loved one--and for their emotional "boundaries", is unknown to most working and middle class Americans, since many of us live with intense, relentless frustration-- over jobs, low pay, health, living conditions, substandard education for our kids, all the things we want that we can't afford (crushing credit card debt of epic proportions is an indicator of how we've dealt with that issue), broken relationships, dysfunctional families, ad naseum. These very difficult, often tragic pressures ordinary Americans struggle with every day don't lend themselves to calm, thoughtful, "nuanced" discussion.

When such a rational conversation does occasionally manifest in your life, it's cause for quiet celebration. On a recent trip to Vegas, I had such a 4-hour exchange with a "close" buddy of 10 years, who in all that time had never come close to revealing to me many of the aspects of his life that he chose to discuss, nor me to him. We've traveled and played golf together for years, dined together 100 times, alone and with our crew of six old friends, shared many experiences, but never spoke to each other the way we did during that conversation, during which, among other things, he spoke about very private issues with his wife and acknowledged his need for help.

My wife of 30 years and I have had many such conversations during our often troubled marriage, in which we applied good will and commitment to the task of working through our problems by calmly discussing them. By no means have they neutralized our bad days, but they've been a counterweight to our emotionally tempestuous relationship. During such talks, we slip into a mode of mutual respect, we work at hearing each other, not talking at each other...we try very hard to LISTEN and "take in" what the other is saying and feeling. I consider our ability to do this a blessing, but how many people are able to do this?
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A Nation of.....You Know......Morons (II)
Posted by: Stonecutter on Jun 29, 2006 6:57 AM   
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Not too many. Most of us, when we hear the word "boundaries" applied to people instead of property, will do a Homer Simpson ("Doh!"). Respect is something you have for the flag, the troops, the president (present company excepted), the presidency (present company included), heart surgeons, your mother, but not necessarily for the personhood of someone you vehemently disagree with or want to smash in the face. After 100 years of movie fights, battles, car chases, shootouts, murders and mayhem, much of this exponentially recreated on TV, reflecting or reflected by real-world wars, tragic calamities (Katrina?) and the gradual deterioration of our collective soul as a nation, its no surprise, or even news, that our culture is riddled with violence, acrimony, polarized politics, all forms of bigotry masquerading as public policy, and an administration that has crapped all over any meaningful global cooperation or collaboration in favor of pre-emptive war and naked imperialism.

I sound like a real optimist, right? Actually, I admit to a certain depression of late about all this, but I also know that some great civic "conversation" can turn it around, if that conversation entails vision and authenticity coming from potential new leaders and opinion-makers. It won't happen over night, but every time I hear a guy like Paul Hackett in Ohio, or Barack Obama or Al Gore or Russ Feingold, I believe for those moments that change is possible, and that language, and the power of words, can make the difference. From my mouth to God's ear.

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The Human Nature
Posted by: freerain on Jun 29, 2006 12:44 PM   
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Finally, folks are beginning to wake up, there is a feeling expressing its self within the Human soul and challenging the Human mind. Finally, the truth of our Human Nature can be disgussed, analized and challenged to uncover the nature of us all.

American are Human beings too, but Humans infected with a corrupt and diseased language, a default that we are "not right" for this existance and that somehow we have to "get right" and that invokes the program of disownership, need for salvation and willingness to infect others with the same corruption they've been exposed to.

When you seek validation for your right to exist, to be accepted into this life and enjoy the bounty of beauty, joy, love, happiness or comfort, whether you seek such validation from Christianity, Islam, Buddism or any other definition formed by others of your worth as "unacceptable" then you will live a life of pretense seeking validation you don't need and criticizing others in order to feel you have found the way to "rightness" and they are just "unenlightened."

A little known book, available on the Internet (purchase a soft bound copy or download a free ebook) is Immorality of Christianity was written beginning in 1996 and published in 2000. I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to free themselves of corrupt language that tells you "you're not right and need fixing."

Christian Morality

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This is PROGRESSIVE?!
Posted by: MegOnTheMountain on Jun 29, 2006 4:00 PM   
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I too, was intrigued by the original premise of this article, but fail to see how communication between mothers and daughters equates with the shouting matches on cable news.

"I talk about the big three -- hair, clothes and weight. ... Women are judged by appearance, and mothers and daughters feel that the other represents us to the world."

The BIG THREE?! Women are judged by APPEARANCE?! Mothers and daughters feel the OTHER'S APPEARANCE represents us?! What a load of shit! Thanks for setting the women's movement back about 100 years.

"And daughters are the only ones who can give their mothers the final stamp of approval that she was a good mother..."

Is that so? What about sons? What about our own self-esteem, judgement and insight? Good Grief! I don't expect a "stamp of approval" from anyone.

Perhaps that's why I have a wonderful relationship with my daughter.

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Public Speaking 101
Posted by: eastcoker on Jun 29, 2006 10:01 PM   
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My speech teacher in junior college introduced me to Deborah Tannen and You Just Don't Understand. I have never really been able to "get into that book". I just can't relate. I basically unschooled myself at age 13 so I think that book is too MS for me. It is the same with this article. I just can't relate...Then again I won't take no nonsense. When my mom was abusing me in high school, I called the police on her.

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thoughts she shares in this discussion that vary from my experience.
Posted by: Betsy L. Angert on Jun 29, 2006 10:22 PM   
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Dear Terrence McNally . . .

I thank you so much for sharing this inspirational interview.

For a long time I was an avid reader of Deborah Tannen’s work. I inhaled her every word; however, there are some thoughts she shares in this discussion that vary from my experience.

This recent book does not reflect my own mother daughter relationship. Having read this text, I thought to write of my perception, perspective, and personal story. I invite you and your readers to share theirs.

Please visit, Mothers and Daughters; Myth and Meaning ©

It is only the giving that makes us what [who] we are. - Ian Anderson. Jethro Tull. . . Betsy
Betsy L. Angert Be-Think

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tomatoes
Posted by: montims on Jun 30, 2006 6:59 AM   
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In the example she gives, the mother is being rude - she is in someone else's house, having a meal prepared for her and she criticizes the way it is prepared. My mother is the same, and will be like this with strangers also - she inflicts her (often bigoted and media-driven) opinion upon all and sundry, and refuses to accept that anyone else has a valid opinion. So when she does this to me, I accept it is part of her mental condition, and do not take it personally.

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center
Posted by: julio on Dec 1, 2006 7:21 AM   
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