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Abstinence Double Standard Threatens Girls' Health

By Jessica Valenti, AlterNet. Posted June 26, 2006.


Not only is abstinence education ineffective; it can have dangerous health effects on girls.

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The U.S. government has a solution for unwanted pregnancies, AIDS and cervical cancer. It's called abstinence education, and the government funds it to the tune of around $178 million per year. The only problem is that study after study shows that abstinence education has no effect on the rates of premarital sex or STD infection. Perhaps that's because, as a 2004 report [pdf] from Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., showed, over 80 percent of federally funded abstinence programs contain false or misleading information about sex and reproductive health. But then abstinence-only education isn't about keeping teens safe -- it's about reinforcing traditional gender roles and ensuring girls are "pure."

Martha Kempner, vice president for information and communications at the Sexuality Information and Education Council of the United States (SIECUS), says that abstinence-only programs aren't giving a health message, they're giving a social one. "This is a social agenda masquerading as teen pregnancy prevention," says Kempner. "They're going so far backwards in the messages they're giving women -- that purity is the most important thing and what you should be striving for is a wedding. Saying that the most important thing you can do is get married and have children isn't the most empowering message."

SIECUS has been keeping track of abstinence-only education programs and dissecting their curriculum -- their findings are terrifying. The shame- and fear-based teachings are chock-full of sexist stereotypes, outdated notions of gender roles and even dangerous messages about sexual assault.

The sexist theme that seems to come up the most often in these classes is that girls just don't like sex, and therefore their main "job" is to keep boys, who do like sex, from getting any. A workbook from Sex Respect notes that "because they generally become aroused less easily, females are in a good position to help young men learn balance in relationships by keeping intimacy in perspective." But beware ladies, the increased sexualization of pop culture could interfere with your natural disdain for intercourse. The same workbook tells students that "a young man's natural desire for sex is already strong due to testosterone … females are becoming culturally conditioned to fantasize about sex as well."

Since girls don't like sex, it's their job to keep boys' desire at bay and to be the arbiters of chastity. "Girls need to be aware they may be able to tell when a kiss is leading to something else. The girl may need to put the brakes on first in order to help the boy." (Student Workbook, Reasonable Reasons to Wait) Because, after all, he can't help himself. "A woman is far more attracted by a man's personality while a man is stimulated by sight. A man is usually less discriminating about those to whom he is physically attracted." (WAIT Training manual, Friends First)

The only messages put forward about boys' sexuality is the idea that their urges are uncontrollable, and it's up to young women not to "tease" them. "A guy who wants to respect girls is distracted by sexy clothes and remembers her for one thing. Is it fair that guys are turned on by their senses and women by their hearts?" (Sex Respect) Another classroom activity tells the story of Stephanie and Drew, a couple trying to save sex until marriage. Stephanie is too affectionate and wears tight clothing: "Drew likes her a lot, but lately keeping his hands off her has been a real job!" Even though Stephanie has been clear that she doesn't want to have sex, "her actions, however, are not matching her words." (Why kNOw?) No means yes, anyone? In fact, when abstinence curricula contains information about sexual abuse or assault (which they often don't), the message is similar. Girls should be preventing it, not boys.


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All sounds familiar
Posted by: Aussie Kim on Jun 26, 2006 1:11 AM   
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Muslims on their discussion sites want EXACTLY the same thing as listed above - women are mean to be the keepers and the teachers of morality and men are the weak ones who the women need to keep in check.

And God help the women who are not 100% perfect all the frikken time - because all those weak-minded, strong-bodied men WILL get you.

USA? Why don't you just admit defeat and accept Christian Sharia law.

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Education
Posted by: aedwards on Jun 26, 2006 3:32 AM   
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This is why we need to put a stop to the government funded education system. If the government can't even get this right why do we trust them with the entire education of our children?

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dopes idiots and liars
Posted by: rsaxto on Jun 26, 2006 3:43 AM   
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Dopes, idiots and liars appointed by the Bushies are running medieval "education" efforts which are harming the people they are supposed to be helping. Impeach the Bushies and get their asses out of government.

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Passion for Ignorance
Posted by: ChristopherLL on Jun 26, 2006 4:14 AM   
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Those who promote denial, fear and shame of sexuality in both men and women are reflecting attitudes and reactions of shame and guilt towards their own sexuality. In doing so they embrace a "passion for ignorance" in which they try to prevent young people from knowing what they already know. There is absolutely no way to bury such a natural and elemental force as sexuality and the attempt to do so will result in an ever increasing desire to know. Knowledge of sexuality will then be gained only "off the street" or in the myriad number of media sources that exploit this need. Empathetic, competent and non-judgemental venues for young people to learn about their bodies, feelings and passions are almost non-existent. So STD's, stymied social relationships and sexual confustion will be with us for a long time. Also those who think that an adolescent daughter pledging abstinence to her father is a healthy encounter should read about incest taboo.

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Puritanism remains the scorge of America
Posted by: Maxwellst on Jun 26, 2006 4:53 AM   
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One does not see this kind of, ultimately, perverted and even kinky view of sex in Europe because the Puritans fled from their shores. Repressed sexuality and the view that the act is demonic and dirty springs from the worldview that brought this nation into being, and every so often, it will gain sway. The sad truth is that it is self-perpetuating; as more girls get pregnant or STDs, the Bible-thumpers will cry that it is our immorality that is the cause, rather than their perpetuation of sexual repression and misinformation.

Go watch Peyton Place again. The 1950s never were what we thought they were. We were just better at putting a lid on unhappiness and tragedy.

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Parenting
Posted by: BOSOMBUBBY on Jun 26, 2006 5:51 AM   
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It is pitiful that public schools have to be responsible for teaching sex education to students. The government should keep its prying nose out of it as well. The problem is that many many parents do not teach anything about sex to their children. If parents did their part we would not have the government trying to fill our kids heads with this kind of rubbish. I certainly hope young women today will let this awful disinformation go in one ear and out the other! This is the kind of governing you get with the phony bologny republicans. They teach this kind of crap while many are pedophiles and perverts. Just disgusting.

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"Abstinence ed" - Nothing to do with supporting public education
Posted by: Marian's Blog on Jun 26, 2006 6:04 AM   
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This is to "aedwards" who wrote on Jun 26, '06 at 3:32 AM: "This is why we need to put a stop to the government funded education system. ..."

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pearl
Posted by: pearl on Jun 26, 2006 6:12 AM   
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what an excellent and alarming article.... one we will never read in the mainstream press... thank you Alternet for bringing us the real news. I have also heard that in the quest for retaining vaginal 'purity' young women are 'enjoying' performing other sexual favors for those poor frustrated boys.... someone has got to ease their hormonal
burden, right? This radical conservative culture sickens me.

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"Abstinence ed" - Nothing to do with supporting public education
Posted by: Marian's Blog on Jun 26, 2006 6:13 AM   
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Fixing my previous post -- This is to "aedwards" who wrote on Jun 26, '06 at 3:32 AM: "This is why we need to put a stop to the government funded education system. ..." Are you insane?? What a trojan (horse) [Pun intended.] Do not even attempt to use abstinence ed. issues to encourage another inch of destruction and erosion of public funding and support for public education. Absolutely unbelievable...

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The reality of sex
Posted by: robmikejas on Jun 26, 2006 7:23 AM   
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While in theory you can make a case for abstinence, the reality is that human beings will fuck... that is is a biological imperative. It is with great wisdom that we seek to completely inform our children of all the ramifications of sexual activity and accept that most will become sexually active, abstinence teaching or not. A well informed and prepared young person may abstain or not, but an educated young person will most likely seek responsibility in their actions and not some unattainable puritanical goal currently demanded of them by the crusaders on the right. The hypocracy in their teachings is so transparent, you can see right through to the guilt and shame buried just below the surface. Sex is normal you Republican tight assed goody goodies. Stop creating more and more shame.

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THANK YOU JESSICA
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 26, 2006 7:52 AM   
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Having raised 3 daughters I often wonder about the mothers of the young girls being brainwashied by what is called 'sex education'. Girls being turned into a submissive brain dead cult. They serve at the pleasure of men and boys not allowed any enjoyment of their own. A girl forced to promise virginity to her father is perverted and sick. I saw the ceremony. It certainly didn't take long to turn back the clock 100 yrs. What a shame. Thanks, ANNA

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Abstinence ruined my early years.
Posted by: fredspage on Jun 26, 2006 7:56 AM   
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Being a fairly impressionable type at a Roman Catholic boarding school run by priests, I was imbued with the idea that even thinking about masturbation was a sin. If I had any sexual activity with other boys, I would burn in hell.

This didn't stop sexual activty, what could, among pubescent boys forced to live a monastic life with the only females being the Irish girls who worked in the kitchen and the fearsome "matron". It did however give me a vast guilt complex, so that every time I masturbated I hated myself for being weak. I was 27 before I had any sexual activity with a female.

I had to go until I was fifty before I got rid of the guilt and began to lead a normal life. Now I see these misguided fools promoting the same stuff in their unthinking religious fervour, and I thought the sexual revolution happened in the sixties.

When I was eighteen I had "the talk" with my father. He said "I suppose you know all about sex?" and, not wanting to embarrass him, I lied, "Sure!"

I believe that the only way is full, complete, sexual education with no embarrasment and no sniggering. That is the only way we will avoid the sexual ruination of a generation. The kids are going to do it anyway, it's natural. so let's give them the full information so that they can make considered decisions (if that is possible with the hormones sloshing around).

Fred
http://www.fredspage.org/lifestyl/

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talking point...
Posted by: maddy on Jun 26, 2006 8:07 AM   
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Since the right loves simple phrases, how bout we start some of our own?

To the claim that women don't like sex?

Well, last I checked, men don't have multiple orgasms.

nuff said.

I triple/fourth the above posts about the perversion of the daddy promise--yes, incest taboo.

I'll also add that, yes, abstinence only encourages girls to see themselves as "servicing" boys, and, for some reason, the abstinence-only folks don't see the contradiction in that.

Ugh...

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Back to the Future?
Posted by: audreyvest on Jun 26, 2006 8:24 AM   
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This misogynistic bullshit is exactly the kind of thing that was drummed into me back in the 50s. Even my own beloved father insisted that it was all up to the girl to keep things from "going too far" sex-wise. All this shame heaped on young people! Suicide because of out-of-wedlock pregnancy, homosexuality, etc. was not unheard of back in those days that the religious right is now idealizing as some kind of golden "before the fall" time. And to think that most of this evil drivel is being funded on all our dimes, via "faith-based" programs.

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griggs1947
Posted by: griggsy on Jun 26, 2006 8:31 AM   
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Y es, the wackos are hurting the young with their faith -based nonsense ,based on what prejudiced ignoramuses of yore felt. Those of yore thought that menstruation was unclean .When the religious are rational in morals, they follow humanist morality of what is good or bad for us , other animals and the enviornment rather than those idiots of yore!

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thanks for this article, alternet!
Posted by: ladyoracle on Jun 26, 2006 8:31 AM   
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Girls don't like sex? Since when?

It's a woman's job to tame a man's sexual aggression? Since when? He can tame his own dog, if that's what it is.

Really, this kind of education is an insult to boys and girls.

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Health of girls and boys
Posted by: Linda50 on Jun 26, 2006 8:35 AM   
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I agree with what is being said, the mysgonistic attitudes about sex has been around as long as patriarchy has. What I am concerned with is the obviouls health issues that are being raised about a drug that could help with cervical cancer and is being held over young girls and womens heads because abstinence is the ONLY way to go? Who put this woman in judgement over the health issues that face modern girls and women? Would the same be true for boys and men? If there was a drug that could help with prostate cancer and the only thing was to be abstinence and therefore wouldn't get the cancer? It is very frustrating that things change but remain the same. Again, we are at the mercy of right wingers, that think that they know what is best for us?! When is it going to stop and then we can all move on to more pressing issues. We don't need to keep reinventing the wheel, but I guess some people don't know what a wheel is, I guess that is the problem.

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HPV contraction non-sexually
Posted by: wonderwoman on Jun 26, 2006 9:00 AM   
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I wish folks would actually inform themselves and stop lying to the American public. Leslie Unruh is either incredibly deceitful or doen't care enough to actually inform herself of the pesky facts.

HPV can actually be contracted, in a very small number of incidents, manually - that is, if someone has the virus they have been known to pass it through hand contact. Now, it is primarily a sexually transmitted infection - true. But it's beyond me how folks can claim that since young women should be abstinent they don't "deserve" (?) a vaccine that could potentially protect them against CANCER.

Secondly, while this vaccine has not been tested on those women over 26 years old there is some evidence to suggest that it could be useful for women - even after they are sexually active (and, maybe, even, GASP, already married).

Thankfully it is highly unlikely that the vaccines will not be available soon. However, there could be pointless fighting when it gets to the state level regarding whether or not the vaccine should e mandatory.

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Adding my voice to the chorus
Posted by: BlueTigress on Jun 26, 2006 9:06 AM   
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I agree, this sort of "sex ed" is the worst sort of crap.

I have to wonder how no man can not feel insulted by the "men can't control themselves" line. Plenty of guys of all ages do every day of the week. It's called being a gentleman.

I, too am amused by the "technical virginity" bit. I can't cite the study, but as I understand it, the rates of oral gonorrhea in some parts of the country are horrific.

Finally, the abstinence argument against the cervical cancer vaccine is the worst kind of misinformation. Yes, a woman is unlikely to pick up HPV if she is abstinent, but unless all her other partners were too, there is no guarantee that they won't have gotten it from someone else. It presents no symptoms in males, so they are not screened for it.

I don't care how many people it icks out, we need to get EVERYONE in this country factual, unbiased information about sex, STDs, contraception, the whole package. Then you can make an informed choice about what works for you.

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Christian Double Standard
Posted by: ariessag on Jun 26, 2006 9:10 AM   
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Interestingly, Christian singer Tammy Trent said at Women of Faith that when she was dating her husband, every time she wanted to go too far, he was the one who was strong.
Marilyn in OKC

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Nothing wrong with abstinance
Posted by: Bobsays on Jun 26, 2006 9:18 AM   
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If it is taught alongside frank, scientifically sound sex education. I received this sort of education in the 70s. It was good, we came out knowing all there is to no, and we were also told you can avoid all this trouble with abstinance. How did this affect me?

It made me into a seriel monogomist. I only had sex with one woman at a time and knew there were consequences for everything. We practiced safe sex, including withdrawal.

Only one girl got pregnant in my high school year. Not bad if you think about it.

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Bogus Issue
Posted by: arch_tech on Jun 26, 2006 9:47 AM   
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I can't believe the contortions in this argument to withold a vaccine that could prevent cancer in women of all ages, many of whom are in committed relationships or marriages (from their side of it) who are in fact in danger of infection by their husbands or partners who are secretly sleeping around with men and women. How can you assign responsibility for the more powerful partner's behavior to the weaker one? This is just evil.

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how about abstinence from hypocrisy?
Posted by: babs on Jun 26, 2006 2:21 PM   
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The American south (the bible belt) has the highest rates of domestic violence and domestic sexual abuse IN THE WORLD! Abstinence only applies to girls - not their mouth breathing fathers, cousins, uncles, neighbors...

Yet, the Puritans were the first white settlers here and they couldn't even bear the sight of a woman's ankle. She had to cover herself from head to toe to protect her "chastity" - sound familiar?

the SS America is full of holes, hate and fools - and it's going down fast.

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Same old stuff
Posted by: Jaja56 on Jun 26, 2006 3:33 PM   
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Isn't this the same crap baby-boomer girls were taught and were expected to follow? I remember many times when, as a girl, I was told that it was MY job to make sure boys didn't "get out of hand". As a girl, I didn't have any sexual feelings, or so they said, so I had to watch those "exitable boys". As you can see from a quick glance at people from that era, a great number of us had children long before we were ready (married or not); because we didn't know what to do when we didn't want to stop the boy (man). Condoms, birth control...what's that?

Abstinence education can't be helping our granddaughters any more than it did us. It is amazing that this shit is being promulgated again (or is it still?) Not to MY granddaughters!

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My mother tried that nonsense with me, scaring me about cervical cancer. Didn't work.
Posted by: eastcoker on Jun 26, 2006 5:59 PM   
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Interesting. I never knew she was trying to teach me to abstain. Well she was a Roman Catholic. Figures. And I was sure more wild than her. I had no idea how conservative my mother was! She dressed me up as a flapper in 5th grade and allowed me to look at pornography as a child. She channeled all her repressed sexual energy into me. How unhealthy.
It is true though, I do want financial stability now that I have a child.
I am not quite sure what to make of this article.
What, women don't have sexual urges?

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What a crazy notion.....
Posted by: morticia on Jun 26, 2006 6:11 PM   
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.....that girls don't have powerful sex drives. Remember the screams at Beatles concerts, and before that at Elvis concerts, and before that, so my mother tells me, at Frank Sinatra concerts? Remember the close-up photos of girls' faces at those concerts, contorted and weeping, and cops having to force them back to keep them from swarming the stage? That's pure sex, folks. Thousands of wet panties, I guarantee. This is what so terrifies the neopuritans. Daddy-daughter chastity pledges--gag me! Sick, sick, sick!!!

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THESE COMMENTS ARE PATHETIC ENDORSEMENTS OF FORNICATION
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 26, 2006 9:44 PM   
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What kind of people are you on Alternet? Bunch of amoral libertine animals? Sound like it.

No wonder our country is being judged. With people like you on this thread.

Disgusting. You have no shame, no decency.

You sound like a bunch of savages. Why does Alternet put these articles up?

Is this what the Democratic party stands for? Bunch of fuckers with no conscience?

God help us.

This will probably get me kicked off. I don't care. I hate George Bush probably more than anybody on this thread, and I have IMPEACH BUSH bumper stickers on my car, and 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB/OUR NATION IS IN PERIL also.

You people just keep on fornicating, teaching your sons and daughters to be fornicating fools, okay? That's why God invented Hell -- for people like all of you.

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YOU ARE ALL THE SAME PEOPLE WHO POSTED LAST WEEK PROMOTING ABORTION
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 26, 2006 10:01 PM   
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What total evil. Go live like dogs, and then murder your babies.

You people are pure evil. Some of you even flaunt your evil by choosing names like "Morticia" -- like this is so COOOL.

It's not cool. It's stupid.

You're dogs. Dogs aren't cool. They are just .... DOGS.

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» Flaunt? Posted by: eastcoker
GUESS WHAT, MEN ARE DIFFERENT THAN WOMEN. HONEST.
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 26, 2006 10:57 PM   
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In the real world men and women are not the same.

Any woman who doesn't know that, needs to wake up and realize this fact of life. Apparenlty the abstinence education is the only one that's trying to inform young women of this fact.

While women are falling in love and bonding with the men, the men could care less. They just want sex, and once they get it, it's goodbye.

When a man is claiming undying love, it's all lies. He just wants sex.

It's not his fault. That's how men are. Ask any man. He will tell you that.

Some of the women flaunting their death wishes on this forum are selling a misguided message of misery and lies. A woman who wants to be treated like a sex object, to end up becoming a murderess of her own children (abortion), and to destroy her life totally would do well to follow the advice of some of these debauched women on this thread.

Alternet should have more sense than to promote SIECUS and perverts like Kinsey. None of them could have a normal sex life. They are perverts. They are unable to love anybody or to have a happy marital relationship. They only know how to devise kinkier and more destructive behaviors, rely on porn and God knows what else, to get their twinge of the day.

Sad examples of humanity.

If this is supposed to be a selling point for the Democrats, I don't think America is going to buy into it.

Kick me off here, Alternet. I don't care.

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» Flaunt? Posted by: eastcoker
Wilful ignorance of history
Posted by: Aussie Kim on Jun 27, 2006 12:00 AM   
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Isn't it funny how people like Resistance6 obviously believe passionately that the "Christian" ways will save us all and that abstinence is normal and natural and easy. And that ignorance is bliss.

Well it just goes to show that ALL the sexual victims of priests must ALL be lying throught their nasty, diseased teeth (providing they weren't actually removed for ease of access). ((ew, sorry))

Obviously all this Christian purity SURELY should have caught on by now, since it's been around for SO LONG. Could it be that the hypocrisy and the EVIL inherent in many "Christians" over the ages have driven others away in droves - and they still are??!

Abstinence is unnatural and DANGEROUS when combined with wilful ignorance.

Exactly the SAME can be said about religion.

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» Wilful ignorance meaning what? Posted by: resistance6
» Is resistance6 a priest? Posted by: eastcoker
» RE: Is resistance6 a priest? Posted by: doctorsquared
» RE: Is resistance6 a priest? Posted by: Aussie Kim
» RE: Wilful ignorance of history Posted by: aussidawg
The American Taliban....
Posted by: gmmonko on Jun 27, 2006 12:24 AM   
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Denying sexuality, but promoting it in advertisment. This country has fallen in the hand of religious extremists.
Don't have sex, but killing of non Americans or Jews is just fine.

Puke!!!

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» That's right! Posted by: eastcoker
Better Watch Out
Posted by: elderwoman.org on Jun 27, 2006 5:26 AM   
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Next step is female genital mutilation. If the girls aren't interested in sex it won't matter, right? And infibulation makes you look SO much more neat and tidy. (Maybe daddy will drive you to the clinic).
Oh and I think we should start covering up piano legs again, just to help calm those randy boys.

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» RE: Better Watch Out Posted by: jessica@feministing.com
» RE: Better Watch Out Posted by: Aussie Kim
CHASTITY DOES NOT MEAN FRIGIDITY
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 27, 2006 6:00 AM   
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The Bible says in the last days people will be forbidden to marry or to eat meat.

After reading these threads on AlterNet, I can see that's right where we're all heading.

We can be as the Communist John Lennon said:

Imagine a world with no countries, no religion, no possessions, and everyone living for today. The world will be As One.

We can all pile into a big heap of bodies and go for any and all orifaces, biting and devouring each other as we go. Survival of the "fittest."

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» Orgy? Posted by: eastcoker
By The Way
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 27, 2006 6:23 AM   
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Even though men have a more aggressive and stronger sex drive than women do, most men are well able to control themselves, and do.

More control is expected of women because:

1. They are able to control themselves more easily.

2. They are the ones who get pregnant.

3. Women take sex more seriously than men do, and their make-up is to, almost invariably, fall in love with a man they've been intimate with. This is not the case with men. Women aren't made to go hopping around from stud to stud, unless she looks on it as a business, as in prostitute. Prostitutes are known to be frigid fakers.

4. People who listen to SIECUS and these "sex experts" will end up just like them -- empty, unable to engage in normal sexual relations, and addicted to porn and kinkier and kinkier sex in order to get their sexual twinge.

5. Homosexuals are the perfect example of this. They cannot even relate to the opposite sex any longer.

6. Anyone who reads this thread and follows the advice of the deviants posting here is throwing their life away.

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» RE: By The Way Posted by: zooeyhall
» RE: PLAYMATE FOR NO ONE, SORRY... Posted by: Aussie Kim
» RE: PLAYMATE FOR NO ONE, SORRY... Posted by: Aussie Kim
So Women Who Enjoy Sex and Variety
Posted by: lmwilker on Jun 27, 2006 6:34 AM   
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Are prostitutes? How sick. And I know many homosexuals who I am sure relate better to the opposite sex than someone of the opposite sex spewing the kind of swill you've posted here.

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One More Thing
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 27, 2006 6:52 AM   
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I don't know much about these groups like True Love Waits or the Silver Ring. Apparently the students in these groups have learned to preserve technical virginity. As a result, they are not getting pregnant and having abortions. That is a very good thing.

But somehow they are getting the message to practice perverted sexual behavior -- sodomy and oral sex.

Sodomy is dangerous to anyone's health -- despite what the homos try to say.

Oral sex means herpes. Cold sores transfer to the genitals and vice versa.

So if these groups, True Love Waits and the Silver Ring, aren't teaching the girls these facts, they are wrong, and are acting to corrupt these girls.

Considering these groups are working within the government school system, I would be shocked if they did NOT have glaring faults. I do know that William Bennett, who's tied in with these groups, is Illuminati. The Right Wing is as much controlled by the Secret Government as is the Left Wing. Communists scare me more than Fascists, but I don't like either one. Both represent evil tyranny.

I am in favor of no government schools and no funding to faith based groups. I am in favor of no 501C3 status for churches. Churches are churches, not corporations. Churches should be able to preach whatever they darned well want to preach -- without Big Brother looking over their shoulder.

If this is the kind of purity that's being taught -- how to maintain technical virginity while at the same time engaging in any and every kind of perverted deviant sexual behavior --

that is wrong and wicked.

People who really care about their children don't send them to these depraved government schools and take personal responsibility, see to the upbringing and teaching of their children themselves.

Of course, such people (of which I include myself) are referred to by FEMA as "terrorists."

Homeschoolers are terrorists. And of course anti-government types are "terrorists."

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» Is resistance6 a baby? Posted by: eastcoker
» No, your not a terrorist Posted by: popsicle67
Send me to Hell
Posted by: Lillith on Jun 27, 2006 6:53 AM   
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If heaven is going to be populated by the likes of Resistance6 then please send me to hell...an eternity with that ranting and raving would be a lot worse than fire and brimstone.
Oy........and by the way dogs only have procreative sex, so if you are against sex for pleasure and against contraception then you are in fact the one behaving like a dog, not the rest of us.

As an aside, I actually think that Res6 is just laughing his arse off at how serious we take his posts, I reckon he is having us on...BIGTIME...nobody is that hatefull....are they????

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» I think.... Posted by: morticia
» RE: I think.... Posted by: Lillith
for some people fornication is A-OK
Posted by: repo on Jun 27, 2006 7:12 AM   
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and that is to be judged by no one, least of all you. it isn't your value system, then YOU don't fornicate.

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» shit, i did it again Posted by: repo
Ig-nay-or-nay....
Posted by: morticia on Jun 27, 2006 10:21 AM   
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.....im-hay!

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Unrealistic
Posted by: WyrdSister on Jun 27, 2006 11:14 AM   
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Abstinence Only is NOT Sex Ed. It is just a small part of it.

I work with At-Risk teens and most of our female population are mothers already. Most had their babies between the age of 15-18. I see all too clearly every day the need for comprehensive and culturally sensative sex education. Some of our young women are from African countries where their sexual culture is vastly different, the same can be said for MiddleEasterners so culture needs to be considered.

It is highly unrealistic to think that teenagers are not going to have sex. Kudos for those who DO choose to stay abstenent, but that is just not where the majority of our young people are.

The reality of it is that teenagers are going to have sex.

Whether you approve or not.

There are WAY too many low-income/abusive/addicted parents who leave their children to fend for themselves, usually at a very young age. These parents do not have to give what their kids need, so we try to fill that gap. These children are looking for acceptance, safty and love. They need to be taught the proper way to go about getting those things for themselves rather than trying to find self-worth in someone elses crotch.

It is totally irresponsible not to give our children ALL of the information so that they can be prepared to make an informed decision regarding their sexuality and how they are going to express it.

As for me, well...i will continue to speak frankly to my kids, answer any question as honestly as I can, and hand out condoms, no questions asked.

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» RE: Unrealistic Posted by: Aussie Kim
» thanks Posted by: urstupid
When the rapture happens
Posted by: ssdd on Jun 27, 2006 11:29 AM   
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and all the god-fearin' folks like R6 vanish from earth and leave us heathens here, it will be a win-win situation.

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» RE: When the rapture happens Posted by: resistance6
» RE: When the rapture happens Posted by: WyrdSister
» RE: Paganism, Wicca, Worship of Sex Posted by: scryberwitch
As a student I've seen a lot of this firsthand...
Posted by: Allison Tristend on Jun 28, 2006 12:22 AM   
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I'm currently enrolled in a public high school, and at my school the sex education cirriculum is very vague. It dosn't fall under the category of being 'abstinince-only' due to the fact that condom useage was mentioned (though discouraged) once during the entire year, but abstinince was the main point of the course.

Basically, the course taught students why abstinince should be practiced, and gave virtually no other information. It deeply disturbs me how this is affecting the student population. Since many students are unwilling or unable to do proper research about sex, pregnancy, and STDs on thier own, falsehoods pretaining to sexual health run rampant in the halls of my school. I frequently find myself having to correct misinformation about the corrolation between oral/anal sex and STDs, the fact that a good amount of the lesbian/bisexual female population believes that you can't get any STDs from girl-girl sex, there are even some people in my school who believe that they'll be perfectly alright without any protection whatsoever no matter how/with who/when they have sex. Seeing all of this firsthand, it's really sad. People are catching STDs and even becoming parents at such a young age just due to simple lack of information.

Sex education isn't about enforcing somones ideals of 'morality', it's about the health and safety of countless people.

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» RE: Truth Posted by: WyrdSister
» RE: Truth Posted by: resistance6
» Misconceptions about sex. Posted by: Allison Tristend
» RE: boy scouts Posted by: WyrdSister
REPLY TO UNREALISTIC...
Posted by: SamFox on Jun 28, 2006 11:28 AM   
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Let me get this straight: We teach children to control themselves, their urges and drives when it comes to drugs, cigaretts, alcohol consumption, speeding, reckless driving, lying, cheating, stealing, shoplifting, murder, rape, bullying others, destruction of private property, bringing guns to school, shooting up the school, burning it down... on we could go. Is that correct?

These are ALL morality issues (issues of right and wrong) & activities where people/students of all ages are expected to practice restraint, control and ABSTAINANCE! Is this not correct? I.e., morality enforced by law.

Why is it that the sex urge/drive is so un-controllable? Why cannot sex cannot be put on this list? Why is not also UNREALISTIC to expect kids to follow self control in the list I mentioned? After all, the Columbine and other school shooters were only following their primitive instincts, their basic urges and drives as they expressed them selves to vent their anger...right? Please don't try to tell me sex is differant! Un-married, casual sex has as many consequences as any thing on the list...STDs, un-planned preg. often results in abortion which leads to another list of negitives...including the death of a DEVELOPING, GROWING CHILD!!!

By NOT teaching sexual abstinance, restraint and self control while society demands self control in all other areas of life, you create a double standard that can easily be expanded in a kid's mind to include any or all of the above list.

Abstinance from sex is the ONLY GAURANTEE OF SAFETY where sexual activity is concerned. It's the ONLY thing that works 100% of the time!!!

Unrealistic? Good grief, in the light of all the problems caused by ally cat free sex, it should be mandetory!

SamFox

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» RE:Still UNREALISTIC... Posted by: WyrdSister
» RE: you do ask too much Posted by: popsicle67
REPLY TO UNREALISTIC...
Posted by: SamFox on Jun 28, 2006 11:44 AM   
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Let me get this straight: We teach children to control themselves, their urges and drives when it comes to drugs, cigaretts, alcohol consumption, speeding, reckless driving, lying, cheating, stealing, shoplifting, murder, rape, bullying others, destruction of private property, bringing guns to school, shooting up the school, burning it down... on we could go. Is that correct?

These are ALL morality issues (issues of right and wrong) & activities where people/students of all ages are expected to practice restraint, control and ABSTAINANCE! Is this not correct? I.e., morality enforced by law.

Why is it that the sex urge/drive is so un-controllable? Why cannot sex cannot be put on this list? Why is not also UNREALISTIC to expect kids to follow self control in the list I mentioned? After all, the Columbine and other school shooters were only following their primitive instincts, their basic urges and drives as they expressed them selves to vent their anger...right? Please don't try to tell me sex is differant! Un-married, casual sex has as many consequences as any thing on the list...STDs, un-planned preg. often results in abortion which leads to another list of negitives...including the death of a DEVELOPING, GROWING CHILD!!!

By NOT teaching sexual abstinance, restraint and self control while society demands self control in all other areas of life, you create a double standard that can easily be expanded in a kid's mind to include any or all of the above list.

Abstinance from sex is the ONLY GAURANTEE OF SAFETY where sexual activity is concerned. It's the ONLY thing that works 100% of the time!!!

Unrealistic? Good grief, in the light of all the problems caused by ally cat free sex, it should be mandetory!

SamFox

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» RE: PLY TO UNREALISTIC... Posted by: Aussie Kim
There is more to life then sex
Posted by: aedwards on Jun 29, 2006 1:27 AM   
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I know it is hard to believe but there its more to life then sex. Yes sex is great and fun and everything but it not the meaning of life. Abstinece Ed is just a symtom of the problem not the problem itself.

The drop out rate is incredibly high. I think something like 2/3 of 9th graders drop out. Obviously something has to change drastically.

I already made my proposal and got abused for it so what do you propose we do to change our broken education system?

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Whackos
Posted by: pixiequix on Jun 30, 2006 5:14 PM   
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I am beyond words...
However, a quick Whois? check of that eerie "purity ball" website pointed to this organization

Carenet Pregnancy Center
3365 Community Road
Brunswick,GA
31525


One can only imagine the degree of harm upon a young girl an organization carrying such a name, in the hands of people who obviously enjoy inflicting lasting damage to all young children could cause. In other words, look into who these assholes are and stop them before they hurt more kids!

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Better education in different grades
Posted by: urstupid on Jun 30, 2006 9:20 PM   
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I don't know how different sex education varies is in other states but in California, the only time sex education is taught is when we were incoming freshmens. When I was a freshmen, I was trying to find myself! Not thinking about sex. I wish we could have had an abstinence base YEt have birth control method curriculum and also have this class when we were juniors (during the time we were actually thinking about sex). It might have saved fifteen girls in my graduating class (class of 2006) from getting pregnant.

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This makes me sick
Posted by: popsicle67 on Jul 1, 2006 6:34 AM   
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I have 2 daughters so I have a dog in this fight. I have always believed that the parents should be the main source of information about sex. I also temper that opinion with certain knowledge that people are pretty stupid about it so
school seemed to be a good place to get a clinical view of the
activities related to sex so a young person could make educated choices. Now the government says abstinance is the best and pushes money out to insure that message is taught.
Where do the kids with stupid parents go? Should we start an
adult sex-ed class to teach them how to teach their children.
I wish it were that simple. People who are stupid about sex don't want to know better so the poor kids are stuck with this
namby-pamby view of the world brought to us by the followers of an invisible man in a made-up place. Whatever
happened to separation of church and state. Oh well I,ll just worry about my kids and their sex education and hopefully vote the right way so an end will come to this idiocy.

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Just One More Bit of Evidence
Posted by: Newsguy on Jul 1, 2006 10:58 AM   
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Just one more bit of evidence that the right wing Christian conservative cultists are insane. Mass insanity infects the body politic, and the leader of this cult occupies the Oval Office. And his policies are costing us trillions of dollars and tens of thousands of deaths. linked text

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Britain and sex
Posted by: bewareofchairs on Jul 1, 2006 2:01 PM   
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In Britain abstinence is almost never mentioned in sex ed unless you go to a religious school. Is it just a coinidence that in the countries like Holland where sex is spoken about openly and isn't a taboo the teen pregancy rates are much lower than anywhere else.

Making a subject a taboo automatically makes it more appealing to people. Most young people first try drugs or cigarettes or alcohol because it is seen as naughty. In a teenagers mind rules are meant to be broken.

Naivety only makes life more dangerous. If someone doesn't know how to use a condom or contraceptive methods and they chose to have sex with someone the ikelyhood is the girl is going to get pregnant.

We should teach children not hide everything.

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you really have a problem with sex
Posted by: fuzypupy on Jul 1, 2006 2:15 PM   
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i am very sorry you feel sex is so bad, i have read all your comments and you relate sex to evil , what has happened to you. sex between a man and a woman adds to them being spiritually connected. no one is saying to go around having sex like a animal from what i have read, you are putting this in there. i am sorry you have not found love in a mate that you can enjoy the pleasures and connections of sex.

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sorry that post was for resistance6
Posted by: fuzypupy on Jul 1, 2006 2:17 PM   
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but then you all may have figured it out

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Feminazi Alert! Feminazi Aler!
Posted by: jonwilson on Jul 1, 2006 8:46 PM   
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Get back in the kitchen!

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kmlisle
Posted by: kmlisle on Jul 2, 2006 6:50 AM   
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Planned Parenthood offers an 9 week course in sex education that our chuch sponsors every year. My daughter got an excellent education in how to protect herself from both pregnancy and disease. This course includes information for GBLT kids on how to protect themselves from disease. It is wildly popular with the middle school kids at my fellowship. I know my child (now 22) has the knowledge she needs to stay safe. Those of you who are outraged and belong to an organization that might sponsor this course for your own children can contact Planned Parenthood about it.

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Religion, Purity and Control...
Posted by: aussidawg on Jul 2, 2006 4:17 PM   
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I just read an interesting article on the Rise of Christian Fascism that really opened my eyes as to what these "people" like GWB and friends see in using religion, and the way Bush views Christianity. In all actuallity, it sounds just like what the folks around here (east Texas Bible Belt)spout, as well as a couple of posters here on this thread (ahem...no names mentioned.) I suggest you read the article entitled George Bush and the rise of Christian Fascism, by Rev.Rich Lang. This article not only opened my eyes, but made the hair on the back of my neck stand on end. These guys are REALLY off in right field, so to speak, and most definately psychotic!

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Not all schools...
Posted by: typoqeen on Jan 31, 2007 6:20 PM   
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I am in a British secondary school, the equivalent of a sophomore.
My school DOES teach sex ed, they do it every year for us, getting more and more into contraception every year. We learned to use condoms at the age of thirteen (putting them onto plastic penises!), whilst hearing about STDs and teen pregnancy as shock stories to enforce the idea that it was wrong. They greatly promoted condoms, even giving them out after the lesson.

According to this article, and the comments on it that I have read, my school is a great minority. I know that the sex education classes are a great factor in my choosing not to have sex for a while - unlike a lot of my class mates, one of whom already has a one year old son.

MY boyfriend has tried it on a few times, but in a similar way, so have I. It doesn't solely rest upon the girl to say "no", it is both party's responsibility. Even at the age of thirteen we could talk about it sensibly, and decide not to have sex. Even after going out for so long we have only eve gotten close to it a few times, and have agreed NEVER without a condom.

I did see a lt of the themes discussed in this article however: "the only effective contraception is abstinence." They also implied that it was the girls who were responsible for the spread of diseases. The boys were just doing what their hormones told them. Everyone seemed to accept this as fact. Looking at the media this is what the TV and movies are saying too.

I know plenty of my friends have already had sex, and that they know to use condoms from the PHSE classes teaching about condom usage. Britain is supposed to have high teen-pregnancy rates, but I find it hard to believe that we are the only ones, apparently we have strongly informative sex education classes compared to America: the "Pure" country.

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