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Why Conservatives Can't Govern

By Alan Wolfe, Washington Monthly. Posted July 6, 2006.


Bush's presidency and Congress are imploding, not despite their conservatism, but because of it.
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Search hard enough and you might find a pundit who believes what George W. Bush believes, which is that history will redeem his administration. But from just about everyone else, on the right as vehemently as on the left, the verdict has been rolling in: This administration, if not the worst in American history, will soon find itself in the final four. Even those who appeal to history's ultimate judgment halfheartedly acknowledge as much. One seeks tomorrow's vindication only in the context of today's dismal performance.

About the only failure more pronounced than the president's has been the graft-filled plunder of GOP lawmakers -- at least according to opinion polls, which in May gave the GOP-controlled Congress favorability ratings in the low 20s, about 10 points lower than the president's. This does not necessarily translate into electoral Armageddon; redistricting and other incumbency-protection devices help protect against that. But even if many commentators think that Republicans may retain control over Congress, very few think they should.

Eager to salvage conservatism from the wreckage of conservative rule, right-wing pundits are furiously blaming right-wing politicians for failing to adhere to right-wing convictions. Libertarians such as Bruce Bartlett fret that under Republican control, government has not shrunk, as conservatives prescribe, but has grown.

Insiders like Peggy Noonan complain that Republicans have become -- well, insiders; they are too focused on retaining power and too disconnected from the base whose anger pushed them into power. Idealistic younger conservatives bewail the care and feeding of the K Street beast. Paleocons Pat Buchanan and Robert Novak blame neocons William Kristol and Charles Krauthammer for the debacle that is Iraq.

Through all these laments there pulsates a sense of desperation: A conservative president and an even more conservative Congress must be repudiated to enable genuine conservatism to survive. Sure, the Bush administration has failed, all these voices proclaim. But that is because Bush and his Republican allies in Congress borrowed big government and foreign-policy idealism from the left. The ideas of Woodrow Wilson and John Maynard Keynes, from their point of view, have always been flawed. George W. Bush and Tom DeLay just prove it one more time.

Conservative dissidents seem to have done an admirable job of persuading each other of the truth of their claims. Of course, many of these dissidents extolled the president's conservative leadership when he was riding high in the polls. But the real flaw in their argument is akin to that of Trotskyites who, when confronted with the failures of communism in Cuba, China and the Soviet Union, would claim that real communism had never been tried. If leaders consistently depart in disastrous ways from their underlying political ideology, there comes a point where one has to stop just blaming the leaders and start questioning the ideology.

The collapse of the Bush presidency, in other words, is not just due to Bush's incompetence (although his administration has been incompetent beyond belief). Nor is it a response to the president's principled lack of intellectual curiosity and pitbull refusal to admit mistakes (although those character flaws are certainly real enough). And the orgy of bribery and special-interest dispensation in Congress is not the result of Tom DeLay's ruthlessness, as impressive a bully as he was. This conservative presidency and Congress imploded, not despite their conservatism, but because of it.

Contemporary conservatism is first and foremost about shrinking the size and reach of the federal government. This mission, let us be clear, is an ideological one. It does not emerge out of an attempt to solve real-world problems, such as managing increasing deficits or finding revenue to pay for entitlements built into the structure of federal legislation. It stems, rather, from the libertarian conviction, repeated endlessly by George W. Bush, that the money government collects in order to carry out its business properly belongs to the people themselves. One thought, and one thought only, guided Bush and his Republican allies since they assumed power in the wake of Bush vs. Gore: taxes must be cut, and the more they are cut -- especially in ways benefiting the rich -- the better.

But like all politicians, conservatives, once in office, find themselves under constant pressure from constituents to use government to improve their lives. This puts conservatives in the awkward position of managing government agencies whose missions -- indeed, whose very existence -- they believe to be illegitimate.

Contemporary conservatism is a walking contradiction. Unable to shrink government but unwilling to improve it, conservatives attempt to split the difference, expanding government for political gain, but always in ways that validate their disregard for the very thing they are expanding. The end result is not just bigger government, but more incompetent government.

"Ideas," a distinguished conservative named Richard Weaver once wrote, "have consequences." Americans have learned something about the consequences of conservative ideas during the Bush years that they never had to confront in the more amiable Reagan period. As a way of governing, conservatism is another name for disaster. And the disasters will continue, year after year, as long as conservatives, whose political tactics are frequently as brilliant as their policy-making is inept, find ways to perpetuate their power.


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Alan Wolfe teaches political science at Boston College and is the author of Does American Democracy Still Work? (Yale University Press).

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Posted by: nbrown on Jul 6, 2006 12:55 AM   
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democrats vote with bush and the neocons on most of the core issues. vote them out of office too.

but wouldn't that mean the problem isn't conservative politicians, per-se, but that government in general is the problem? indeed.

let's throw them all out, all the bastard politicians, their military guns, their police.

i trust my neighbor more than the government.

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We Are NOT Governed By "Conservatives."
Posted by: aussidawg on Jul 6, 2006 12:56 AM   
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The Bush administration, as many times as I have said it in the past is not conservative, rather, NEOCONSERVATIVE, which has nothing in common with traditional conservatism. As such, this administration has nothing to do with the idea of "smaller" government, rather has everything to do with CORPORATE EMPOWERMENT.

Tradtionally, in a nutshell, Liberals are characterised as "tax and spend", and Conservatives are considered small government and pro business. This administration is "spend, and spend, and cut taxes to the rich." They have no vision except corporate empowerment and global domination. Further, the word Bush and the word Libertarian in a single sentence is slanderous to the Libertarians. Bush is no Libertarian, rather, a religious oppressor.

Bush wants dominance, period. The more money the more power. The only reason he is "pro" business is because he reaps the kickbacks from the corporations he (and his sorry comrades in the House and Senate) give free reign to, at the expense of ALL of us citizens.

What this whole nasty thing boils down to is that while many choose to label Bu$h, Inc. as conservative, that is a misnomer. Bu$h, Inc. are nothing less than corporate fascists. This isn't a conservative form of "governance." This is a new idea for the U.S., but it isn't new as Hitler and Mussolini were the first in modern history to apply this theory of rule. Make no mistake about it...they intend to RULE, not govern, and they intend to use the vast monies of corporate America to finance their rule. Further, these "gentlemen/woman" aim to restrict personal freedom through religious oppression, with their intent being that the government's purpose is to enforce their ideals of morality.

Bush is a fascist, not a conservative. If you don't believe this, I strongly suggest a read of "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich."

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One conservative vision comes true
Posted by: YogiBear on Jul 6, 2006 2:30 AM   
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Seeing the fishbowl that Hurricane Katrina turned New Orleans into -- where news teams got into areas with stranded dying and desperate individuals, but a leader-starved and hatched FEMA could not, made conservative Grover Norquist's infamous words really ring true:

"My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years," he says, "to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub."

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To govern a society takes insight
Posted by: Mycos on Jul 6, 2006 3:55 AM   
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...into how others think. However, a lack of empathy, insight into how others must feel, a shallowness (or refusal) to understand things from a point of view other than their own....is the very definition of a conservative. Change is different, and so "different" is evil as it brings change. But of course differences within any society is inherent! This alone is reason to disallow their election to public office. And the evidence for their lack of understanding is the bigotry, homophobia, racism, fear of drug use, of other religions, other monetary systems, etc. etc. that come only with conservatives (eg. there are no "liberal" KKK).

However, what they do understand is that people will respond to force . This doesn't require social insight. That's as bl;ack and white as it gets, and black and white thinking is another hallmark of the conservative. Thereby it is reasonable to assume a disproportionate number of conservatives to belong to law-enforcement agencies or have military careers. Of course, that is precisely what we see.

However, the road taken by the author of the piece fails to mention the part that PNAC plays in the formation of policy taken by this administration. Their disastrous handling of Katrina and the war isn't so much incompetence as it is the pursuit of a "Pax Americana" while it is still within grasp. America remains the sole superpower and rather than spend the "peace dividend" on social programs at home, developing economies overseas in Africa or S.A, they want to take this once-in-a-lifetime chance to attain global domination. To achieve that end they need a compliant public. Thus an enemy to keep the public terrorized. As such, OBL is better off loose in the world so the switch to oil rich Saddam He=ussen as a terrorist. Now, rather than a decisive in and out war in Iraq, we have an ongoing one; much better to build a base over there while pretending its about fighting insurgents that they had "miscalculated". They also miscalculated so many other things that it's obvious the intention. They left bunkers full of High Explosives, RPG's, nuclear isotopes for medicine to make dirty bombs,...virtually everything that would enable terrorists to continue the threat into the distant future while they proceed under cover of the War On Terror. Why else would they have had orders to guard one building only upon the capture of Iraq? The Ministry of Oil. Paperwork. Why? PNAC. And because this is a long range strategy, I very much fear for the future of a democracy in America. These people wont go away so easy having gotten this far with the deception. So many continue to think politics as usual, with just an inept administration. Not so. It's an uncaring administration bent on a ruling elite, not elections, replacing UN with the American threat of pre-emptive attacks on whoever threatens their dominance. Sound far-out? It's in writing, signed by Cheney, Runmmy, Kagan, Kristol, Perle, Bolton, Wolfowitz and a half dozen other neocons. Look where they are now. Look it up before they act ..and I think they will.

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An interesting article...
Posted by: adp3d on Jul 6, 2006 4:07 AM   
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It is really too bad that the past 25 years have been wasted by such political partisanship. Focus should have been on the environment( we should have less polluting cars that get 75 mpg), space technology( we should have had a mission to Mars by now), rising industrial and economic might of China and India, the emergence of Latin America as true economic citizens of the world, combating the AIDS pandemic in Africa and a host of other things to bring this world into the 21st century a progressive society envisioned by those in the 1940's, 50's and 60's. Religious jealousy and economic disparity did much to bring about the rise of fundamentalism and the lack of acceptance that people have of other faiths.

The Bush adminstation has done much to accelerate this backslide of world wide citizenship. The Republicans can't cling to power much longer and I fear there will be such a backlash that the polarization of this country will be more pronounced and of course we will be the worse for it.

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sickofsleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Jul 6, 2006 4:23 AM   
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From watching Washington with an eagle eye since 1994 I am well aware Conservatives can't govern and it makes my day to see my opinion confirmed

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Neocon/Christian/Corruption/Death
Posted by: enzolima on Jul 6, 2006 4:29 AM   
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"For Pat Buchanan to blame the neocons for the failure in Iraq ignores the fact that the man most responsible for the failure, Donald Rumsfeld, has more in common with Buchanan than he does with Bill Kristol. (One prominent neoconservative, however, Paul Wolfowitz, did sign on enthusiastically to Rumsfeld's agenda.)"

Pat Buchanon does not like the neocons, did not participate in the neocons fascist cabal called The Project for A New American Century, and he is more a true Conservative than anyone currently involved with the Bush Mafia running our country. The author of this article is dismissing the hard truth of the influence the Neocons (aka The Israel Lobby) have had on the Republican Party while stroking the balls of the Christian Right-Wing fanatics, who hope to build religious theme parks along the coast of Israel and in Gaza, as they both bath in the swirling cesspools of corruption and ideological fanaticism.
The real conservatives in this country have nothing in common with Bush and his regime of NeoCons ( I think neo-nazi is more apt). These people have completely ignored our constitution and subverted our rule of law, and they wasted no time since 2000, when they seized power after stealing the election with E-voting machines, in looting our nation of every dollar from every source they could get their slimy hands on.
If we ever have remotely fair elections again I can't imagine these criminals ever holding seats in government as a majority. The only people who will vote for them are the many religious nuts seeking the reincarnation of a guy who died 2006 years ago.

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sickofsleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Jul 6, 2006 4:34 AM   
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The mention by Mycos of Katrina reminds me: when the NO levees failed I saw ONE mention that Bush had diverted hundreds of millions earmarked for levee repair to one of his pet scams, I think Homeland Insecurity. Then the blame game started and everybody from Senator Mary Landrieu, Govenor Kathleen Blanco, Ray Nagin (all Democrats) on down to the meter reader and the carhops at Sonic were blamed except for the guilty one Bush and the crooked contractors who pocketed their share. Has anyone else any info on this?

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The Reagan Revolution Is Deader Than Ronnie Himself
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 6, 2006 4:37 AM   
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It would seem to me that the American people are starting to awaken from the right-wing coma that they've been sleeping under since the day they foolishly sent a feeble-minded, failed "B" movie actor by the name of Ronald Reagan to the White House twenty-six years ago.

If you'll remember, by 1960, Reagan's career in Hollywood was over - for good reason. Let's be honest here: He wasn't much of an actor. The only thing he ever did that stands out was Kings Row (1942) and that's only because he probably had an exceptional director. Other than that (with the possible exception of Knute Rockne, All American) his stint as an actor is totally forgettable.

Just our luck, ay? The fact that this nitwit could have gone into a new career in politics and worked his way right to the top of the heap is just one of history's twisted ironies.

Remember this: Everything that George W. Bush has done to you, Ronald Reagan tried to do to you - and would have done to you had he had control of both houses of congress.

The first thing that Bush did on January 20, 2001 was to seal the papers of the Reagan White House indefinately. Why? Well let's just say that had the American people been able to have a look at all of the felonies commited by the Gipper and company, they would have knocked him right off of his pedastal.

The damage that that dirty old dingbat did to our country is so immense, it will never be acurately assessed. It is incalculable.

Saint Ronnie, indeed.

Tom Degan
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Well, You Go Your Way and I'll Go Mine
Posted by: knocko on Jul 6, 2006 4:38 AM   
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as a "traditional conservative" I thought Wolfe's historical analysis was clear and relatively accurate.

I think however he overestimates the degree of support Bush has had from traditional conservatives as opposed to people part of the military complex and Washington lobbying establishment who are big government "conservatives".

Moreover, illegal immigration is hardly touched on by Wolfe nor is cultural intergrity of American tradition. What is patriotism in th 21st century? While America changes daily from its white Anglo roots, the roots of national and cultural pride based on the American Revolution still exists.

Unless there is greater assimilation by Latinos and more importantly by Afric. Americans who are declining in educational achievement and social integration, the future may be breakup of the country into distinct cultures and possibly political entities.

For the near future, Wolfe may be right: the Bush corporate conservatism failures may give the "liberals"(poor term) short term adavantage. Given the poor long term economic prospects of the US given its long term defense, energy and entitlement commitments, the issue of culture and race will move to the fore. Tradiitional conservatives are best posed to appeal to Americans of all ethnic backgrounds who are willing to to assume an American identity based on strong family and neighborhood values, reverence for education and traditional moral standards applied equally without tolerance for "victim" based excuses.

Traditional consevatives also include adherents of America Frist and Robert Taft conservatives: they warned about the neocons
and undue foreign intervention long before Alternet liberals enamored of Bill Clinton and his Wall st. internationalist crowd slunk away in 2001. I commend Chronicles Magazine's website to you as to what traditional conservatives really think and really have done vis a vis Iraq and foreign policy. www.chroniclesmagazine.org. Also checkout oldright.com.

We do not take kindly to Goldman Sachs running this country.

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sickofsleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Jul 6, 2006 4:48 AM   
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Didn't you know, Ronnie had charisma, a seemingly indispensable quality for a politician these days. He also was suffering from the first stages of Alzheimers which made him a patsy for any harebrained scheme dreamed up by his handlers. I could not shed a tear during the funeral spectacle, I couldn't get the image of an American President laying a wreath at a Nazi cemetery in Bitburg Germany out of my mind. My biggest worry was they would stuff him and mount him in the capitol rotunda like the Russians did Lenin

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The right stuff
Posted by: ssegallmd on Jul 6, 2006 5:13 AM   
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"Eager to salvage conservatism from the wreckage of conservative rule, right-wing pundits are furiously blaming right-wing politicians for failing to adhere to right-wing convictions."

Notice how as the conservatives screw up everything that they touch (whether by design or incompetence), they refuse to believe that the problem is due to them. It is ALWAYS somebody else's fault: Clinton, latte-sipping limousine liberals, or, as in this case, when it is ludicrous to think that anybody but they were at fault, it is still not a failure of their philosophy.

Blaming Clinton and the liberals for everything after more than five years of blame shifting and responsibility shirking ("You go with the Army you inherit [three years ago]") has apparently begun to pall even for their ditto-headed base of idiots

So now we hear instead that their problems are due to the present 'leadership' not being *true* enough conservatives. What a load of dookie.

Now that the neoconservatives have totally screwed the pooch and it has become increasingly difficult to get anyone else to listen to them whine about how the left or Democrats are at fault, the ditto heads and their pundits pretend that they were never in support of this particular the neoconservative form of conservatism in the first place. They just begin to distance themselves from the mess they whole heartedly facilitated and shift the blame and isolate this same group of pirates and thugs that they have been cheering and actively supporting from the start without having uttered a word of reservation or disapproval until recently. Now that's character! That’s the good American people. That's the right stuff!

But that dog don’t hunt no more. Only one kind of conservative has been in power in America for several decades now, and as I’ve already pointed out, the ditto heads supported them whole-heartedly until only recently. Remember,

[a] the fascists in power have had no difficulty recruiting volunteers from the general public to work for them in various capacities such as on editorial boards, school boards and the American pulpit,

and, as already noted,

[b] Ditto-headed Americans don’t object to the character of the Republicans, just their results. The Republicans are free to do the vilest of things to their own country and to the world without any fear that the American people will notice or take a moral stand.

The right stuff indeed.

You can be certain that when the dust settles in the future and it is generally accepted that Bush et al. were both morons and monsters, the ditto heads who until recently prominently festooned their vehicles with supportive symbols and slogans will disavow ever having supported this ignoble regime just as they did Nixon’s.

That’s the right stuff I say.

The stunningly stupid American people are the principle problem. Certainly, it was apparent by 2004 that the neocons were unfit for office. Yet Bush came close to winning it legitimately.

This is not merely a failure of leadership. It is also a stunning failure of citizenship as well without which none of this could have happened. I see no hope for lasting reform before they are reeducated or replaced by healthy citizens, and I have no idea how the American left can accomplish that task.

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Dubya dubs GOP Party of Liars and Torturers
Posted by: owlbear1 on Jul 6, 2006 5:25 AM   
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You pukes voting for him twice. The Name has been earned and in a just world your war-mongering bloodthirsty bigots would never see power again.

It certainly explains why the GOP has to lie, steal, and cheat to 'win' the vote counts.

How proud all Goppers must be to KNOW the only way the Republicans can 'win' is by suppresses voter turnout...

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The 'Grown-Ups' Did It
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jul 6, 2006 5:58 AM   
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Prior to the appointment of 'W' as President, someone on the Bush Team made the comment about the fact that the 'grown-ups' were going to be in charge now. The Bush team has not shown itself adept at anything other than graft, theft, corruption, influence peddling, and repression. Whether that is by design or happenstance is up to you.

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It is not either/or
Posted by: luckypablo on Jul 6, 2006 6:31 AM   
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Interesting ideas brought up in this article. The only problem is that everything is cast as conservative or liberal. I think Americans are more complex than that. Proof is the number of independent voters that each party courts in every election. Maybe if we stopped the us vs. them mentality the country can move to get things done.

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Always Clinton's fault
Posted by: russianblue1 on Jul 6, 2006 6:52 AM   
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This is a TIRED argument-especially SIX YEARS AFTER CLINTON LEFT OFFICE!!!!!!

Wow, I thought one of the main mantras of the conservative movement was to take responsibility for one's actions, decisions, and life. When is Dumbya gonna take responsibility for his TWO terms in office? This is an "ownership society", right? Does he "own" his presidency? Is he going to own all of his mistakes? Will he ever show ANY humility (a Christian trait, I believe)? Can the next president blame all of his/her troubles on Dumbya? Any conservatives out there wanna take a stab at answering any of these questions? Anyone, anyone??

(*crickets chirping*) That's what I pretty much figured!

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LiberalsRMental
Posted by: Wendy on Jul 6, 2006 6:58 AM   
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So conservatives can't govern, then why did Jimmy Carter turn out to be the most incompetent president we ever had! He wasn't a conservative!

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I Just Love the New Distinction...."Traditional Conservative"
Posted by: sirossisofliver on Jul 6, 2006 7:09 AM   
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Back in the Day....when the "conservatives" gleefully aligned themselves with, and pandered to:
-The Christian Wing-Nut Taleban;
-The "Kill-'em-All' Chickenhawks and the Viet-Raq debacle;
-The 'Flat Earth' Intellli-junt Dee-sine Idiots;
-Tom Delay's criminal conspiracies and Jerrymandering (Texas);
-and every aspect of the Frat-House Jerk-Off president's agenda,

they were oh just too proud and ready to step up and adopt the moniker of "Neo-Con Wing-Nut" (Hell Yeah!)

Now that their collective boat has taken a torpedo amidships, and is listing alarmingly, the calls go out from the bridge: "It wasn't me....I've always been a 'Traditional (Ray-Gun) Conservative'"... NOT a Neo-Con!!!" (as if there could be any possible difference whatsoever)

Not gonna fly.....You Morons OWN your Moron!

Remember the words of the immortal "Hannibal" (the A-Team):

"I love it when a plan comes together..."

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» You missed the point Posted by: sirossisofliver
People who despise government...
Posted by: RobW on Jul 6, 2006 7:50 AM   
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... should not be put in charge of government. I've been saying this for years. Duh...

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Brilliant! Thank you!
Posted by: quadgemini on Jul 6, 2006 7:52 AM   
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Best political anaylsis ever.

Republicans have destroyed America's government because Republicans WANT to destroy America's government.
THIS IS THEIR IDEA OF SUCCESS.
New Orleans is a "heckuva job, Brownie," and it's coming soon to a neighborhood near you.

Remember New Orleans!
Remember New York!
Remember Enron!
Remember Guantanamo!
Remember Florida!
REMEMBER AMERICA!

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I Voted
Posted by: RWCowboy on Jul 6, 2006 8:18 AM   
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“But even if many commentators think that Republicans may retain control over Congress, very few think they should.” This is an elitist comment to suggest that the commentators know best who should govern rather than the American public who voted! There is a story about a guy that was losing a fight, he kept telling his opponent that he better get of or he would be the #(!! out of him!

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It's your money - bait and switch.
Posted by: ssegallmd on Jul 6, 2006 8:20 AM   
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"the libertarian conviction, repeated endlessly by George W. Bush, that the money government collects in order to carry out its business properly belongs to the people themselves."

This is a lie too (so what else is new?).

The conservatives I'm familiar with consider my money theirs. They are very hap