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Rappers Aren't Feeling Oprah's Love

By Yvonne Bynoe, AlterNet. Posted June 21, 2006.


Oprah has refused to bring Ice Cube and Ludacris on her show. But it's not their music she hates -- it's their message of contempt for black women.
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Ludacris was the first rapper to complain about Oprah. In the May 2006 issue of GQ, he said that Oprah only grudgingly invited him to her show because of his role in the Oscar-winning film "Crash." Ludacris called Oprah "unfair" and said that she edited his comments and lectured him about his music.

Then 50 Cent -- the infamous crack dealer turned rap artist -- joined the fray, telling the Associated Press that Oprah rarely invites rap artists on her show. Revealing his disdain for what he characterized as Oprah's older, female, and primarily white audience, he said, "[I] couldn't care less about Oprah or her show."

And now Ice Cube, the former frontman for controversial rap group N.W.A, has expressed his displeasure with Oprah. He told FHM magazine that he's been involved with three projects that were pitched to Oprah but has yet to receive an invite. "Maybe Oprah's got a problem with hip hop," Ice Cube said.

But contrary to what Ludacris, 50 Cent and Ice Cube have implied, Oprah has had rap artists on her show, but her tastes lean more toward John Legend and Alicia Keys than to Lil Wayne and Trina. To promote the film "Barbershop," Oprah invited rapper-actress Eve and comedian Cederic the Entertainer. Sean "P-Diddy" Combs was on before he ran the New York City marathon to raise money for local public schools. Incendiary rap artist-producer Kanye West, whose religious anthem "Jesus Walks" stirred up controversy among church folks, has also appeared on her show. Queen Latifah and LL Cool J have sat on Oprah's stage. More importantly, rap artist-producer Missy Elliott and "queen of hip hop" Mary J. Blige were both part of Oprah's Legends Weekend celebrating accomplished black women.

Earlier this month Oprah responded to her critics, explaining to MTV: "I respect other people's rights to do whatever they want to do in music and art. ... I don't want to be marginalized by music or any form of art. ... I feel rap is a form of expression, as is jazz. I'm not opposed to rap. I'm opposed to being marginalized as a woman."

In case Oprah's comments need some decoding, what she's saying is she believes rap artists should be free to record songs that call women "bitches" and "hos," and she should be equally free not to invite them on her show. Oprah does not have a problem with rap music -- she has a problem with rap that degrades women.

There's a particular arrogance that permeates Ludacris, 50 Cent and Ice Cube's statements, as if Oprah owes them a spot on her show. It's Oprah who has issues by refusing to celebrate black men who've made millions by demeaning black women?

If songs such as Ludacris' "Move Bitch" or NWA's "A Bitch Iz A Bitch" are not Oprah's cup of tea, then why should she be obligated to give them a platform? It doesn't seem to occur to these black men (or their supporters) that Oprah has the right not to use her show -- which is seen by 21 million viewers a week in 105 countries -- to promote performers whose work she feels is misogynistic or offensive. Oprah may not be kicking any black feminist credentials, but rather than blindly using her influence to "help the brothers," she is choosing not to support black entertainers whose work denies the humanity of black women.

The main focus of this brouhaha is not hip hop or rap, but the commercially successful subset of these genres that has transformed the public image of black women from flygirls to bitches, tricks, 'hos and chickenheads. This is the same sector of hip hop that has mainstreamed stripper culture, reduced the value of women to their body parts (remember Nelly's music video "Tip Drill?") and mocked the importance of love.


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Yvonne Bynoe is the author of two books: "Stand & Deliver: Political Activism, Leadership and Hip Hop Culture" and the "Encyclopedia of Rap and Hip Hop Culture." She is also a regular panelist on the National Public Radio program News & Notes with Ed Gordon.

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Looking For Something To Complain About
Posted by: ZPaul on Jun 21, 2006 1:00 AM   
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Sure looks to me like these Rappers are just looking for something to complain about -- and more publicity. If you don´t like Oprah, why complain about not getting on her show? -- not only are these guys proficient in calling women "bitches", they seem to specialize in a lot of bitchin´themselves - if it´s about social injustice, fine, but complaining that Oprah´s not paying attention to black rappers when their rapping is heavily sprinkled with machismo -- they shouldn´t be surprised! "Brothers and sisters", my arse!

Go, Oprah
Posted by: nonwhiteperson on Jun 21, 2006 2:23 AM   
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"The underlying sentiment is that if she is unwilling to set aside her values, then she can't be down for black people."

We're studying "Feminism: It's A Black Thing" from bell hooks' "Killing Rage: Ending Racism" for class which is very similiar to what Oprah is espousing, the idea that women of color should not have to put up with sexism to be down in their community. The misogyny in recent hip-hop is mostly a result of mainstream white record companies that exploit blacks and promote stereotypes and misogyny. I'm glad to see Oprah stand up for women of color.

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Oprah is absolutely correct!
Posted by: naryaquid on Jun 21, 2006 3:37 AM   
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The mysogyny in the music of the Rappers mentioned is clear...My only problem with the article is that I don't believe the word "bitch" as used by these "artists" is descriptive of only Black women...It's a hate word for women in general.

The word "bitch" when used as a synonym for "female", is no better than "nigger".

"Bitch" is to gender what "nigger" is to race.

» RE: Oprah is absolutely correct! Posted by: cosmicgold
» RE: Oprah is absolutely correct! Posted by: thinkingsooner
Rappers Who Belittle Women Are SERVING THE RIGHT
Posted by: ZPaul on Jun 21, 2006 4:06 AM   
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Yes, the Right just LOVES it when Rappers call women "bitches" and "hos" and talks about treating them violently! -- Because it´s helping to divide the ranks of the oppressed, and giving the Right more ammunition to use against them. Great job, Ice Cube et al!!! I´m sure the Right would be delighted to reward them, and award them, for sowing dissension.

» RE: Divide and conquer Posted by: ALEJANDRA
Desperate Fools, making Racist Money!
Posted by: nobuko on Jun 21, 2006 4:16 AM   
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Apparently its how those disgusting rappers feel about ALL FEMALE members of their family, be it their mothers and sisters! I don't blame Oprah, no way would I have them on my show, spend money on any of their music, let alone, invite them to my house!

If this is the only way they can become rich is by continuing to EXPLOIT Black women, and men, well I feel sorry for their DESPERATE butts! They, like the Bush Administration will sell their souls for the almighty evil dollar!

I sincerely hope Oprah does a show exposing these fools, for the FOOLS they are!

Filthy-mouthed rappers now want RESPECT and ACCEPTANCE.
Posted by: itzamirakul on Jun 21, 2006 4:21 AM   
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The problem with "some" rappers who have gained "riches" is that now they also want "respect." Persons like Ice Cube and Ludakrus (sp?) will never gain any respect from me because of the filthy DISRESPECT that they show for others.

Why don't some of these rappers buy books or computers for the disadvantaged youngsters who still live in the communities from which they (said rappers) rose "from rags to riches?" Why don't they do something worthwhile for those less well-off then they are? Do something that would make Oprah and other talk show hosts WANT to have them as guests.

They talk about Oprah's audience being "older white women."
Well then, why do these rappers WANT to be on her show so very much then? That doesn't seem to me to be an audience for their music and lyrics....oh, right....Appearing on Oprah's show gives the impression of having the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval.

And what makes Ice Cube think that Oprah should back his projects? Especially after he made jokes about Rosa Parks in one of his ridiculous movies? IMO, he thinks Oprah owes him something because they are both African American.

I'm glad that Oprah does not have these garbage mouth noise makers on her show even though I do not watch her show or voluntarily listen to rap music. I hope that she never has them on unless they publicly apologize for verbally degrading women in their lyrics and videos. They do not deserve the publicity.

Also, I hope that someone forwards this post and its comments to the rappers mentioned in this post.

Just Curious . . .
Posted by: FauxPorteno on Jun 21, 2006 5:21 AM   
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Why the hell do these three idiots want couch time with Oprah anyway? I can hardly think of a demographic less receptive to gangster rap than Oprah's viewers . . . I will be curious to see if Oprah invites Tom Cruise back on the show after his less than flagrant but nonetheless misogynistic behavior towards his young wife. That whole "remain silent during childbirth thing" in concert with other extreme beliefs espoused by the nut jobs of PsuedoScientology should be enough to render him persona non-grata but as he is white and much, much more influential in Hollywood I suspect he's going to be on quite soon with wife and child in tow . . .

I think these guys are basically idiots and I don't have an exceptionally high opinion of Oprah either but I think there may be a slight double standard as clarified in my example above. If Ice Cube were making $20 million a film and pulling major strings in Hollywood, I think we could expect to see him on the show . . . Money talks and bullshit walks at the end of the day - especially in America - particularly in Hollywood!

» RE: Just Curious . . . Posted by: naryaquid
» $money does rule, let's face it! Posted by: missjazzy5
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» How do you define Misogyny? Posted by: eastcoker
deapp
Posted by: deapp on Jun 21, 2006 6:16 AM   
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Oprah is right on. She has come a long way from having very degrading people on her own show. Pips, hoes, prostitutes, "who my baby daddy is" people. She was one of the first to have these mis-fits on her early shows. But now she has conformed. Also, Oprah's own veiw of black men are not the best. All her movies present black men as rapist or whimps, even her present show. Maybe she's not over the bad images of black men in her own family. Maybe these rappers are not over bad black female images in theirs.

» RE: deapp Posted by: MKat
» Know your subject b4 speaking... Posted by: missjazzy5
» Of course--tv is free Posted by: Kelly
American success stories, yet again
Posted by: squattyroo on Jun 21, 2006 6:45 AM   
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The problem these "artists" have is reflected in their simple-minded yet so American equation of monetary success with importance, validation, & worthiness. What they want is their pitiful accomplishments recognized as being actually worth something when all they've done, like thousands of other people before them is sell a lot of records; when all they've done is bought a lot of tasteless bling, degrade the communities they come from, & made the Fat Nicks of the world happy.

Oh no not Oprah!
Posted by: Stano on Jun 21, 2006 6:46 AM   
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Now Alternet.org is in on the Oprah hype! Who cares what this woman says or does anyway. I can't exit a supermarket without seeing her stupid fat face. What's next - some scoop on Jennifer Anniston or Brad and Angelina?

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The Author Has It Right
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jun 21, 2006 7:16 AM   
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I'm no fan of the Church of Oprah Winfrey, but she is right on this one. It's her show, she owns it, her name is on the line and if you don't like it don't watch. It's not a news show nor does it pretend to be. Get over it.

Any person who, in their creative work or life, advances ideas that are demeaning to women or any other group of people is worthy of contempt. The problem is not the beat, the rhythm or the rhyme-- the problem is the attitude. It's not PC gone wild, it's just common sense and common decency.

When any person is demeaned, caricatured or stereotyped it demeans all people. I truly think that in time these 'artists' will be seen for what they really are: a bunch of modern 'steppin fetchits' in the vaudeville of Viacom-- the owner of MTV, VH1 & BET. The money is good, but at what price?

If anybody else in any other venue advanced a 'culture' of prison tats, gold teeth, gangs, pimp attitude, ghetto slang, violence, misogyny & objectification of women it simply would not be tolerated. Gangsta isn't the road to freedom- it's the road to serfdom.

Just like the days of old a handful of blacks are being well paid to perpetuate myths and stereotypes by doing a modern Mr Bojangles for Viacom and the RIAA members while the rest are sucked in and passed by. It's back to the future and the author and Ms Winfrey know it. Good for them.

» RE: The Author Has It Right Posted by: gothsnob
Hip Hop and Twinkies
Posted by: DennisDalrymple on Jun 21, 2006 7:18 AM   
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Hip Hop is to music what twinkies are to cake.
Right on Oprah!

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» RE: WHAT????? Posted by: dissidentpoet
To Quote Ice Cube ...
Posted by: abstractmachine on Jun 21, 2006 7:21 AM   
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Black Woman is my manager, not in the kitchen/
So could you please stop bitchin'
(1991)

I'm not saying that Ice Cube is a champion of feminisim but it absurd to jugde him based on a song (A Bitch iz a Bitch) he made in his late teens nearly 20 years ago.

On Ice Cube's first solo effort Ammerikkka's Most Wanted he featured and greatly raised the profile of "Yo-Yo" an early female hip-hop MC who is celebrated to this day as a pioneer feminist MC on the west coast gangsta rap scene.

These artists are complex individuals and it is absurd and counterproductive to judge them based on a song or a lyric when their ongoing actions may actually say something quite different about their beliefs as a person.

» RE: To Quote Ice Cube ... Posted by: Zelda_Too_Blue
AS A RAPPER...
Posted by: Scientz on Jun 21, 2006 7:24 AM   
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I will tell you this...

People just don't overstand hip-hop. Not that we are looking for your understanding. When it comes to our music, we truly don't give a fuck what you think. At all. And haven't now for about thirty years.

But they don't--Oprah and the author of this article included.

And neither does anyone who posted before me, either.

C'est la vie.

John Legend and Alicia Keys are NOT rap artists Yvonne. They are R&B artists a la Boyz II Men--typically the softer side of urban culture. Sorry, but please try again.

I saw a post that "bitch" is to gender what "nigger" is to race. You're an idiot. Anyone uselessly offended by what they view as mysogynistic lyrical content should listen to Jay-Z's "Bitches N Sistas" for a concise explanation of the dichotomy between the two. Anyone who didn't know there was a difference should not speak about hip-hop.

Today, I will have to play the part of cry0fan.

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It's actually kind of sad how effectively they divide and conquer you easily offended idiots.

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» I'M AN IDIOT? Posted by: Scientz
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» WHAT THE HELL DID YOU JUST SAY? Posted by: dissidentpoet
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Oprah has every right - so I wonder...
Posted by: kpetin on Jun 21, 2006 7:33 AM   
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Do you think Oprah (had she been given the chance) would have invited Tupac Shakur on her show?

I can understand the argument about "misogynistic (aka radio) rap" and the negativity that comes from ignorant and retarded lyrics. But I wonder how she feels about the duality of artists like Pac, or other artists with both "positive" and "negative" messages.

Just wondering. I mean - it is her show. She is minding her own business and not "hating" on rappers at all really...

Simile
Posted by: Charaud on Jun 21, 2006 7:40 AM   
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If Ice Cube and Ludakris deserve a spot on Oprah then likewise so don't Tom Delay and Duke Cunningham and Abramoff. If not-Why Not?

Outdoes the KKK
Posted by: laredo on Jun 21, 2006 8:09 AM   
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Rap outdoes the KKK when it comes to generating racial stereotypes of both sexes of the black population. I thought that the ultimate absurdity arrived during the 90s when a black-owned radio station in Chicago was criticized because it advertised that it did not play rap music.

Good for Oprah and good for that radio station.

» RE: Outdoes the KKK Posted by: InfinityInc
» WHAT!!!???!!! Posted by: missjazzy5
» ummmm...no, i don't think so Posted by: dissidentpoet
Hooray for Oprah!!!!!
Posted by: Bev on Jun 21, 2006 8:13 AM   
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Smart and caring person, yes she is.

i like ludacris, ice cube & oprah
Posted by: saywhat? on Jun 21, 2006 8:14 AM   
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but pop culture icons are not my role models, someone like angela davis is, who fights for the poor on death row....oprah makes me feel better than pat robertson does, but I never got a car from her.

I completely agree with the author
Posted by: agent210 on Jun 21, 2006 8:17 AM   
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Oprah is under no obligation to put these men on her show because she and they are Black.. That is the problem with the Black community is that if GOD FORBID a person has a different mind set or opinion, they jump all over them. We are not allowed to view things from more than one opinion.. We are supposed to be a monolith.

I say this as professional, grad school educated Black woman who had Black people not like me because I speak "proper" English.

I think these men will continue to sell their women hating lyrics to all who are interested in them. Plus they are already rich so its not as if not being on Oprah will somehow keep food out of their mouths..

They should stick to Bad Entertainment Television (BET) to promote their stuff.

» perfect! Posted by: dissidentpoet
MC Bush
Posted by: Money Over People on Jun 21, 2006 8:19 AM   
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As someone who enjoys country music as much as rap - and rarely ever hear anyone criticize Johnny Cash the way they criticize Tupac Shakur - I wonder why the topic of Oprah inviting or not inviting anyone would get people so upset?

Also, Oprah's excuse for not inviting 50 Cent or Ice Cube is that they are demeaning women with their lyrics, but I seem to recall that O had Mrs. Bush on her show. I mean, yes, I would agree that there is a good chunk of rap lyrics that are demeaning to women, but George Bush has actually signed laws that are demeaning to women, gays, minorities and every other group that isn't addicted to KKKristianity in this country.

Is the logic that lyrics are more harmful than laws?

I've never cared for Oprah. She's always come across as rather plastic to me. I understand that it is television and there is some amount that is always polystyrene, but the real Oprah isn't hard to find... Here's what her take is on being rich:
"I have lots of things, like all these Manolo Blahniks. I have all that and I think it's great. I'm not one of those people like, 'Well, we must renounce ourselves.' No, I have a closet full of shoes and it's a good thing."

I wouldn't ask you to "renounce" yourself Oprah. How about a little modesty, though? Maybe you can sell those Manolo Blahniks (whatever the hell they are) and buy some homeless folks a couple meals?

It's her show and she can do what she wants with it. Rappers can say what they want to as well. The two don't have to like each other, invite the other to parties, or even pretend to respect one another.

However, don't go around acting high and mighty when the seething hypocrisy is easily found out.

Go through Oprah's guest list from the last fifteen years and tell me that she's never had on any guest that is demeaning to women.

When she starts walking the talk, I'll start to consider her opinions more.

Same as GW.

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The True Hypocrisy of This Article
Posted by: lpdigital on Jun 21, 2006 8:25 AM   
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Unfortunately, among black Americans there is little substantive debate about how popular culture affects our communities; any criticism of rap music, however slight or legitimate, is routinely dismissed as ‘hating.’

The reason why is because people like Oprah would rather use her show to promote Tom Cruise instead of confronting people like Ice Cube.

Solving this issue requires intelligent dialogue by informed people. Someone like Ice Cube or music critic Greg Tate should be invited on Oprah not to promote his commercial project but to directly explain their lyrics and attitudes. That’s called dialogue. Right now, things exist on the level of a schoolyard shouting match.

There is a ridiculous amount of ignorance and generalizations on this thread. It shouldn’t be a surprise given that the author of this piece thinks that John Legend is hip hop. That’s truly embarrassing.

Rappers don’t need Oprah and Oprah doesn’t need rappers. But the Black Community needs them both to use their mutual fame and notoriety to engage in a substantive debate with the purpose of educating everyone on both sides as well as those on the sidelines.

The ‘what’s mine is mine’ mentality leaves everyone poor and ignorant and perpetuates the existing stereotypes. Using our collective resources to confront this issue is the only thing that will improve our community.

Boycotting ideas and people promotes ignorance, as evidenced in this thread.

» Blah blah blah Posted by: eastcoker
I feel you Oprah
Posted by: eastcoker on Jun 21, 2006 8:29 AM   
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And I totally agree. As the estranged wife of a black man that ran with the likes of Snoop Dog down in South Central LA, I *totally* know what you are writing about. Forget it! These black man are setting a *horrid* example for the world. They are giving voice to the most *heinous* and fallen and degraded aspect of the masculine psyche. Yuck. All the other men follow suit. I can't stand it. Somebody needs to either
1. Turn these guys out
2. Strip 'em and turn 'em out and make 'em shake their naked booty up on stage and see how they like that!
Repulsive!

» RE: I feel you Oprah Posted by: MEL810
Right On Oprah!!!
Posted by: Kym525 on Jun 21, 2006 9:02 AM   
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Though I sometimes have issues with Oprah and her show, as a black woman I am SO glad that she is taking a stand against those rappers who perpetuate negative and demeaning stereotypes against black women and our community in general. These rappers may be rags to riches success stories, but their money comes from disparaging the very women who have always been the backbone and strength of the black community.

If they want to be on television, there's BET - get to it!

Old school
Posted by: nonwhiteperson on Jun 21, 2006 9:07 AM   
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Look at the options given black men in this society and you'll know why many get the big bucks from these conquer and divide record companies. Some people listen to it because it has a beat. Old school hip hop was not about misogyny because it hadn't been coopted by white interests yet.

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» i agree Posted by: dissidentpoet
The best article I've read in a very long time.
Posted by: ddsharper on Jun 21, 2006 9:53 AM   
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Regarding these verbal abusers of women attacking Oprah, I must say that this article by Yvonne Bynoe was well written, succinct and very much captured the gist of the issue. I was so impressed that half way through the story I clicked on the author's name to read other articles and found only this one. I plan on searching the web because I stopped reading blogs and most rags, on and off the internet, due to having to wade through mediocre writing, endure excessive leanings to the left or right without a point being made and seeing article after article ramble on ad nauseam. I truly enjoyed this piece and view it as a work of true journalism. Bravo. I will mail Oprah this one! Thank you so much for making the issue clear.

Oprah, can we talk?
Posted by: rgjr on Jun 21, 2006 10:03 AM   
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Awhile back, Rev. Calvin Butts of Abyssinian Church in New York lead a campaign against Snoop Dogg CD “Doggystyle”. He started the campaign by running over Snoop’s CDs with a steamroller and was throughout the press talking about how the CD’s lyrics were demeaning to Black women, specifically, and Black people, generally. And he was right.

But during an interview with MTV, Snoop was asked about Rev. Butt’s efforts and he responded, thoughtfully, by saying that the main problem he had was the Rev. Butts had never tried to talk to him directly. “My grandmother goes to church,” he said, “and maybe if he had talked to me I might have changed up a taste.” The interviewer then went back to Rev. Butts, who when asked if he had ever tried to contact Snoop, stammered a little then said “maybe I should give him a call.”

Oprah has every right and is right to take the position she has taken on rap that is degrading to women. But she has also taken on the responsibility to use her fame and power to change people’s lives for the better, so why not do that with these rappers? You don’t change the behavior of young people by pushing them away when they do wrong. You change them by engaging them, telling them they’re doing wrong and letting them know that you expect them to do better.

In fact, I think the rappers mentioned in the article are all but inviting Oprah to say to them what she expects for them. If they didn’t care about Oprah’s opinion, they would not have said anything in the first place. For example, Oprah’s recent visit on Ed Lover’s radio show here in NYC resulted in him changing his catch phrase of “It’s a celebration, bitches,” which he pulled from Dave Chappelle’s parody on Rick James, to “It’s a celebration!” The change would have never taken place if she had not gone on the show.

So, why not have a show with rapper on this subject? It might change some behavior and it would get great ratings!

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