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Barack Obama: The End Of Small Politics

By Barack Obama, AlterNet. Posted June 19, 2006.


In an impassioned speech, the Illinois senator explains Bush's ongoing failures, why the 'ownership society' doesn't work, and why we must -- somehow -- hold on to hope.
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Editor's Note: These remarks are excerpted from a speech Obama delivered at the Take Back America conference on June 14, 2006. Click here to watch a video of the speech.

We meet at a time where we find ourselves at a crossroads in American history. It's a time where you can go into any town hall or veterans' hall or coffee shop or street corner and you'll hear people express the same anxiety about the future. You'll hear them convey the same uncertainty about the direction that we're headed as a country. Whether it's the war or Katrina or health care or outsourcing, you'll hear people say that, now, surely we've come to a moment where things have to change. And there are Americans who still believe in an America where anything's possible; they're just not sure that their leaders still do. They still believe in dreaming big dreams but they suspect maybe that their leaders have forgotten how.

I remember when I first ran for the state senate -- this was my very first race -- back in Chicago ... people would say, you seem like a nice young man. They would look over my literature. They would say, you have a fancy law degree, you teach at a fine law school, you've done fine work, you've got a beautiful family -- why would you want to go into something dirty and nasty like politics? Why would you want to go into politics?

And the question is understandable and it bears on today because even those of us who are involved, even those of us who are active in the political process and in civic life, there are times where all of us feel discouraged sometimes, where we get cynical about the prospects for politics because it seems as if sometimes that politics is treated as a business and not a mission, and that power is always trumping principle, and that we have leaders that are sometimes long on rhetoric but short on substance, and so we get discouraged. And every two years or fours years maybe we do our bit and we knock on doors or pass our literature, or we go into the polling place and hold our noses and vote for the lesser of two evils, but we don't feel in our gut sometimes that politics and government is going to improve our lives. At most, we hope it does us no harm.

And I am not immune to those feelings. But, you know, when I get in that funk, I think about a person I met the day before I was elected to the United States Senate ...[M]y staff comes up to me and says, senator, before you go up, there's this woman who wants to meet you. And she's driven a long way and she's a big supporter and she just wants to take a picture with you and shake your hand. And I say, well, that's not a problem. And so I go offstage to a back room and I meet this woman. She explains that she has supported me since I announced my race. She shakes my hand, we take a picture, she tells me that she's proud of me. And she had already cast her ballot at that point absentee, and she was really appreciative of the work that I was doing and wished me Godspeed.

And none of this would have been exceptional except for the fact that this woman, named Marguerite Lewis, had been born in Louisiana in 1899 and was 105 years old. And so ever since I met this frail 105-year-old African American woman who found the strength to leave her house and come to a rally because she believed that her voice mattered, I've thought about all that she's seen in her life.

I thought about the fact that she was born at a time when there were no cars on the road and there were no airplanes in the sky; born in the wake of slavery, in the shadow of Jim Crow, a time when it was far more frequent for African Americans to be lynched than to vote. I thought about how she lived through a world war and a Great Depression and another world war. And then she saw her brothers, her uncles, her cousins coming back from that second war and still have to sit at the back of the bus. And I thought about how she finally saw women win the right to vote. And how she watched FDR lift millions out of fear and send millions to college on the GI Bill and bring folks out of poverty, and how she saw unions rise up and give them a foothold into the middle class. And she saw millions of immigrants travel from distant shores in search of this idea that we call America.

And she believed in this idea of America, despite the cards that she had been dealt. She believed in this notion of a more perfect union. And when she saw, in the distance, breaking out the civil rights movement over the horizon, she thought, well, maybe it's my turn now. And she saw women who were willing to walk instead of ride the bus after a long day of doing someone else's laundry or looking after somebody else's children because they were walking for their freedom. And she saw people of every race and creed -- young people get on buses and travel down to Mississippi and Alabama to register voters. And she saw four little girls die needlessly in Sunday school and saw how it catalyzed a nation. And at last she saw the passage of the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act. And she saw people lining up to vote for the first time and she got in that line and she never forgot it. And she kept on voting in each and every election because she believed.


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RE: Barack Obama can go fuck himself
Posted by: northwest on Jun 19, 2006 12:41 AM   
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unfortunately, it's no so simple. it's possible to be against the war and still realize that because we're in this position, we need to be responsible in how we get ourselves out. unfortunately, more money might be necessary. also, that appropriations bill included hurricane relief and other items, making it even more difficult to vote against. I still give obama credit for being having good sense and not being as evil as some of the other people in congress. if he's not someone to support, we're really in trouble.

» BARACK IS NOT ONE OF THE GOOD ONES Posted by: RhodesVan3000
RE: Barack Obama can go fuck himself
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 19, 2006 2:26 AM   
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Obama: ..." They don't believe -- they don't believe that government has a role in solving national problems because they think government is the problem. They think that we're better off if we just dismantle government; if, in the form of tax breaks, we make sure that everybody's responsible for buying your own health care and your own retirement security and your own child care and your own schools, your own private security forces, your own roads, your own levees-- blah, blah, blah.

Well, I think he's got the Republicans wrong on this one. Obviously they want to micromanage every instance of everybody's life. If this is all this guy wants to do is top the Republicans, who have already taken away just about every freedom we have for "security," -- then I agree with the title of this and Barack Obama can indeed go bleep himself.


And he says George Bush is not stupid and not wrong.

Barack Obama has not a clue what's wrong with America. Not a clue. He is just a selfish-opportunist with no principles, just like 99 percent of the rest of the sold-out bastards in Washington. Only difference with him and some of the others is, he went in that way and there are a few in Congress who actually started out with good intentions and principles. I doubt Barack Obama ever had any to begin with. He's just a schmuck.

But maybe Hillary will pick him to run with her. I mean Hillary is so CONSERVATIVE. She supports the war and Rupert Murdach is backing her to run in '08. Oh joy.

After GWB gets done pulling off a few more false flag disasters here (ie maybe next time he can kill off a couple hundred thousand Americans instead of just take down the Twin Towers and Building 7 and a mere 3,000 innocent Americans and shoot a missile through the Pentagon) -- maybe by that time they can ratchet up support for the war again.

These people KNOW that our government is planning something awful to be done to us, something that will be made to seem like it's an attack by a foreign enemy. But it won't be. It will be the NeoCONs again. But obviously they figure support for this war and probably war against Iran will reemerge.

These people are all Illuminati dupes. 50 percent of the American people think 9/11 was an inside job says the latest Zogby poll and 70 percent of the people think there was some kind of a government coverup in the investigation. We need to drive that home NOW before the next false flag attack on our shores, the next self-inflicted wound is done to us by our own traitorous government.

Otherwise, like it took five years for half of us to wake up, it may take another five to wake up from the next manufactured crisis. By then it will be too late and we will be living in total tyranny-- those of us still fortunate enough to be still alive.

Meantime Haliburton is busy building concentration camps for US.

Those camps are being built for dissenters. That's us.

So yeah, Barack Obama can go fuck himself.

» Explain please Posted by: feller
» Well, honestly... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: Feller, here's your explanation Posted by: YeahOKyourRight
» Rampant Paranoia Posted by: chasaturn
» Seriously, WHAT DO YOU WANT? Posted by: sls1982
» RE: Seriously, WHAT DO YOU WANT? Posted by: johnecolby
» On the forgotten multitudes Posted by: resistance6
BARACK OBAMA, THE RISING STAR THAT NEVER ROSE
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 19, 2006 2:36 AM   
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This is the Rising Star of the Democratic Party?

BTW, that's a term the Illuminati like to use with their controlled operatives -- a "rising star." Meaning, we have picked you and we are going to make you rich and famous and you will say and do what we tell you and that's why we picked you.

Well, the Illuminati has a lot of power and money, but power and money can't buy everything. The Shadow Government can tell us we're supposed to be thrilled with Obama, but whether we are or not is another story.

Obviously we don't need a cardboard politician like Obama the Wonderful. He has as much leadership ability as Howdy Doody. I agree he makes a much smoother and realistic appearing puppet than Howdy Doody, but that's all the credit I'll give him.

Maybe Alternet is acting for the Democrats to perform as a focus group for them? Throw out these names to see what kind of reaction they get?

How about in this case -- gag, barf, open the windows?

» The pot calls the kettle black! Posted by: RhodesVan3000
Barack for Prez.
Posted by: aurora2484 on Jun 19, 2006 3:01 AM   
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Yes.

Now, about those diebold voting machines...

» RE: Barack for Prez. Posted by: Christie
» dsienteh utemole bececuri pverel a Posted by: Lincoln fan
» The Silence of the Sheep Posted by: LMNOP
» You act like nothing is wrong. Posted by: RhodesVan3000
» RE: Barack for Prez. Posted by: Mum
» RE: Voting machines Posted by: RON_KING
» RE: Barack for Prez./alterme Posted by: alterme
What I most want to hear from an American politician..
Posted by: superdan on Jun 19, 2006 3:37 AM   
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.. is not energy independence, or inspiring stuff about moral precepts, or healthcare.. although all these things are good.

I want to hear that they are ashamed of America and it's propensity for invading, bombing and killing at the drop of a hat, in large numbers of countries, with obviously contrived, fake and incredibly transparent excuses.
Until you understand your own history, this sort of crap will just keep on happening, and then you will wonder why people will lay down their lives and commit atrocities in revenge.

» RE: For once I agree with feller Posted by: cold2touch
» America is Great? Posted by: superdan
» RE: America is Great? Posted by: FauxPorteno
The third rail
Posted by: ronatchig on Jun 19, 2006 4:11 AM   
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While I could support Mr. Obama and do agree with most of what he says in this speech,I noticed he didn't come close to the third rail of politics in DC.
The public funding of all elections, along with outlawing contributions from outside the jurisdiction of the office sought.
Without this change in our election system , only the interests of the rich and powerful will be represented in any meaningful way.
It is a shame the democratic party can't get behind this.

» RE: The third rail Posted by: Lincoln fan
» Green Party Platform Posted by: nergohs
» RE: The third rail Posted by: Doubtom
» RE: The third rail Posted by: Mum
» RE: The third rail Posted by: Doubtom
blue smoke and bullshit
Posted by: solrev on Jun 19, 2006 4:16 AM   
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More bullshit from the dems, I can't wait untill November when Rove kicks their ass. Look at evil Bush, we can do better, but we will not tell you what that will be untill you elect us. Twiddle dee and twiddle dumber strikes again.

» bullshit Posted by: Iconoclast421
» RE: bullshit Posted by: resistance6
» RE: blue smoke and bullshit Posted by: zedaker
» RE: blue smoke and bullshit Posted by: Tom Degan
Guarantee
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Jun 19, 2006 4:35 AM   
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Obama says the right words. If we want them to be carried out we have to guarantee it. Democrats cite the Civil Rights movement as a victory. They conveniently forget to mention that this was a movement of righteeous people against both parties. Most of all against the Democrats. This movement broke the solid Democratic South away from the Democratic Pary.

Social programs are still opposed by both parties simply because the corporatocracy, the corporate establishment, finances the campaigns of both parties. The corporatocracy has million dollar lobbies to buy our government. The only way we can get economic justice is to fight the corporatocracy We can do this by taking control of both parties.

The Democratic Party will only nominate a liberal candidate out of desparation. Not desperation to win but desperation to preserve the status quo. They will keep Obama in reserve for this contingency. If necessary he'll be nominated. Then when he loses it can be blamed on the racism of the voters.

The only way we'll get "government of the people, by the people, and for the people." is to take control of the leadership of both parties. It is the party leaders who construct the platforms. The way to take control is to dictate their platforms.

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» RE: You are a nit-wit! Posted by: outsidea
» Off-topic: George Wallace Posted by: CatDad
Great
Posted by: davcrock on Jun 19, 2006 4:42 AM   
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Obama's message is a powerful expression of American idealism and sincerity in hope for change in America. We need more articles like this one and articles that lay out a practical vision for America, and not the constant barrage of negativism that has come out of alternet recently. Yes, we need to acknowledge our problems, but we need solutions even more.

» RE: Great Posted by: resistance6
» RE: Great Posted by: sls1982
» RE: Great Posted by: resistance6
» RE: Great Posted by: babs
» RE: Great Posted by: Paul D
» RE: Great Posted by: Mum
» RE: Great Posted by: Mum
» RE: Great Posted by: Mum
» RE: Great Posted by: outsidea
Hint From the Right
Posted by: feller on Jun 19, 2006 4:44 AM   
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Please nominate this guy. You will have George Allen as your President for the next 8 years. If not Barack (I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, but his name alone assures he will lose), then nominate the stereotypical liberal Jew Feingold. Please.

» RE: Hint From the Right Posted by: saywhat?
» I've got him pegged Posted by: chasaturn
» Deep Nose Posted by: feller
» RE: Deep Nose Posted by: saywhat?
» Hurricane Warning Posted by: feller
» RE: Hurricane Warning Posted by: Solar Wind
» Lock n Load Posted by: feller
» RE: Hurricane Warning Posted by: Slmncty
» Look Beyond Stereotypes Posted by: feller
» HA HA HA Posted by: Iconoclast421
» Feller Dillweed Posted by: turbocrusher
David Sirota best describes the REAL Obama
Posted by: SDres11 on Jun 19, 2006 5:32 AM   
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And Obama himself admitted it !

Mr. Obama Goes To Washington

Frankly, Obama's not much different from our "centrist" phonies Tim Johnson or Tom Daschle !

» Good David Sirota Article Posted by: fairleft
Prowar Democrat Bullshit
Posted by: AlanSmithee on Jun 19, 2006 5:33 AM   
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There's a reason why Alternet is featuring Lieberman's Apprentice? Oh, that's right. It's an election year. Nevermind.

More Nostalgic Democratic Rhetoric
Posted by: tiellis on Jun 19, 2006 5:58 AM   
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I have nothing against Barack Obama--he is a handsome, sincere, talented, and articulate young man who could still provide (or more accurately, could have provided) leadership for the Democrats.

But he has yet to touch the right nerve. This is a perfectly competent, albeit fairly standard "rouse the troops" speech, and would have been perfectly appropriate in America, prior to the year 2000.

But on December 12, 2000, everything changed, when the Bush regime staged a blatant judicial coup d'etat with impunity, and implanted themselves in power without the consent of the governed. And Congress, the Media, and the people were too cowed to rise up in righteous indignation at this fundamental betrayal of our national charter. On that horrible day, America died, and 9/11 (which I am also nearly positive was an inside job by the Bush regime) simply confirmed the death of our democracy, and the rise of a zombie fascist regime masquerading as a democracy, which is all we have left today.

I therefore fear that the downward slide of our republic toward fascism has become irreversible, and that folksy partisan rhetoric like Obama's has become obsolete, and powerless to mobilize effective opposition. There is no point in pretending we still have a democracy, and a "loyal opposition" when we really don't, and the criminal syndicate in power does not even believe in the concept of a "loyal opposition," and has no intention of relinquishing power--ever.

So what can we do? I wish I knew. This criminal regime is so firmly entrenched in power that I fear that we have nothing to look forward to in our dying republic but war, chaos, upward concentration of wealth, repression, and brutality, all while the corporate media maintain the increasingly irrelevant delusion that we live in a "free" democracy. To mobilize public opposition against these criminals, we will need far more than old-fashioned, boilerplate Democratic sloganeering.

We need a revolution--but what form that revolution can take, and how to avoid the gruesome side-effects of revolution, I haven't a clue. No. That's wrong. I do have a clue. Go see Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth." It is Gore, not Obama, who has transcended the limitations of tired Democratic rhetoric. With this film, simultaneously terrifying and inspiring, but deeply truthful at all levels, Al Gore has found his true self and become our long-awaited Leader of the Resistance. If you don't believe me, see the film yourself, and then join the Quiet Revolution...

» Gore Posted by: Iconoclast421
» RE: Gore Posted by: resistance6
» RE: Gore Posted by: Paul D
» RE: Gore Posted by: Mum
» RE: Gore Posted by: tiellis
» RE: Gore Posted by: Mum
» RE: Gore Posted by: Iconoclast421
» RE: Gore Posted by: lindsncal
» Fat Albert Posted by: feller
» RE: Fat Albert Posted by: solrev
Looks like Obama has the right wing worried
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jun 19, 2006 6:08 AM   
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To all the trolls on dawn patrol:

'Dropping pebbles into the water

They vanish into the impenetrable depths

Sometimes a fish is disturbed

And his tail flaps to muddy the water'

(Someone want to try converting that to haiku?)

I imagine that Karl Rove has lots of time on his hands now that he been released from the threat of indictment on the Plame affair. So what demographic do the Republicans worry most about? Who do they want to just not vote, period? I imagine Karl Rove's mental worries go like this: "What if the Democratic landslide is so big that we can't use the rigged electronic voting systems without getting caught - and will the media run exit polls this year?"

As far as the House vote to defund the soldiers goes (what does that mean? Fewer meals? No pay?), what we'd rather see is a House vote to defund all the no-bid contracts that the Bush administration has handed out to their politically connected business cronies. How about a vote to de-fund all military recruitment programs?

Funny how the Republicans hidden in the Green Party are always going on about getting Democrats to vote to defund the soldiers. Karl Rove Dirty Trick #132: (Subsection, "Making People Look Bad"): "Portray them as attacking basic American values like public service."

Lovely nutcase Republicans - targeting military recruiting at poor rural, inner city and immigrant sectors of the population, while demonizing immigrants, cutting basic benefits for the poorest Americans, using their children as cannon fodder in an oil war sold to them using deliberate lies, and finally telling them they are "grateful for their sacrifice".

Remember, my dear serfs, that your misery and sorrow in this life will be repaid by eternal bliss in the Kingdom of Heaven - but only if you do exactly as my newly appointed Lord High Priest instructs - now back to work, everyone!

» Here's hoping Posted by: Knowmad
» RE: Here's hoping Posted by: inthewoods
Go watch some X-files reruns fanboy
Posted by: casey60622 on Jun 19, 2006 6:14 AM   
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Honestly, lay off the conspiracy theories for a day or two. I'm not saying all conspiracy theories are bunk, but you seem to have ODed a long time back.

CYNICS!! But Answer Me This Obama . . .
Posted by: FauxPorteno on Jun 19, 2006 6:55 AM   
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And quite frankly, who can blame them. I know it's still early and many have yet to chime in but I would like to pose a few questions to Obama and perhaps Alternet readers/posters will respond in his absence:

1) What on earth makes you think the Office of the President of the United States affords you power sufficient to make any profound and lasting changes - FOR GOOD THAT IS?? Big business is the SINGLE GREATEST PROBLEM confronting America - time and again politicians appear impotent in its face. REAL PROBLEM: the House and Senate are big business and have promoted policies that essentially cater to its every whim - war, immigration, health care, etc. What the fuck are you going to do to break its stranglehold over America??

2) This one gets glossed over nicely because it doesn't have the sexy/gory draw of other topics but with temperatures hitting 102 in Denver in mid June I know something is up. What are you going to do to (at the very least) slow the destruction of our ecosystem?

"Not only was that a record, but it was also the earliest 100 degree temperature ever recorded in a given year."

This has just been the most noticeable example as I am originally from CO and have family in Denver. I don't have to go into water quality, record-breaking cancer rates and soon-to-be dry rivers as our reservoirs dry up under the baking sun . . .

3) FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS NOT EVIL - THE US NEEDS UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE!!!! What are you going to do about that? NOTHING - that's what! You are powerless against Big Rx and Big HMO. They would sooner kill you than let you push through something that would hit them in the bottom line. The US is the ONLY industrialized country in the world that does not offer government sponsored healthcare for all.

These are my big 3. Certainly you all have others but I would consider any future presidency a success if it could manage to get our fucking stupid asses out of Iraq, not get us into another war and maybe offer a pittance of a tax credit with Americans who have no health insurance.

That is one seriously fucked up barometer for future success isn't it folks?? This is how far we've slid and you know what? We deserve every last drop of this venom because we have parked our FAT asses on the Lazy-boy and immersed ourselves in the lives of Brangelina and American Idol while the Fox (network?) ran wild in the henhouse. Give them bread and circuses . . . Americans have been cowardly and disgraceful in blissfully ignoring the fact that the US gov. murdered nearly 3000 of its own citizens as a pretext for murdering tens of thousands more in its eternal quest for black gold. Howard Zinn had it exactly right - give some Americans just "enough" to create the illusion of well-being thereby giving them a perceived vested interest in the system and ample motivation to watch "them" (Big Biz, Government, top 1%) fuck over the rest . . . .

» Herbs and Spices Posted by: Conservativation
» RE: Herbs and Spices Posted by: resistance6
» Is it a new thing? . Posted by: Conservativation
» RE: Is it a new thing? . Posted by: FauxPorteno
» RE: Is it a new thing? . Posted by: Conservativation
RE: is this the bottom feeder section of the post?
Posted by: saywhat? on Jun 19, 2006 7:20 AM   
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obama is a good public speaker eh?

Obama is the Dem's only hope
Posted by: antiapathy on Jun 19, 2006 7:24 AM   
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Obama is a great politician. He spouts populist rhetoric and refuses to take a bold stand on the important issues. Did you catch that comment on healthcare? He's saying "we can't leave the system like it is, but we're not going to make those private insurers stop gouging us entirely". I've come to see Obama as a more folksy version of Kerry. And I'm still waiting for him to emerge from his freshman senator cocoon and become a butterfly of progressive issues. But I'm not holing my breath.
The sad fact is that Obama is the best it gets in terms of national candidates. Feingold is the only Dem I would even consider voting for, presidentially speaking, but he's not going to be approved by the party.
So who's up for four more years of corporate rule and war in the Mid-east? Did someone say Hilary?

» RE: Obama is the Dem's only hope Posted by: resistance6
» Dems are Dinosaurs Posted by: feller
» RE: Repugs are Mutants Posted by: saywhat?
» RE: Dems are Dinosaurs Posted by: Iconoclast421
» Then there is no hope. (nm) Posted by: JoshuaLudd
RE: Barack Obama can go fuck himself
Posted by: Rolomax on Jun 19, 2006 8:17 AM   
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How does voting for this make him a pro-war politician?

What a great speech!!! A+++
Posted by: Shakti on Jun 19, 2006 8:29 AM   
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This speech contains just about everything I've been yearning to hear from the Democratic leadership. Is he sincere? I don't know, but it sure is music to my ears, especially after years of triangulation, timidity, and trembling.

Go Senator Obama!!!

My fantasy: A Gore/Obama ticket for 2008. Heavenly.

Edwards can be Secretary of Commerce.

» Your dreams... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: What a great speech!!! A+++ Posted by: mrcentrist
» Feller = minion of darkness Posted by: turbocrusher
Barak Obama: The end of viable or even qualified candidates.
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jun 19, 2006 8:34 AM   
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Barak Obama: The end of viable or even qualified candidates.

If he were white, no one would be considering him a candidate at all, much less a serious one.

The Who knew the truth of the Great Black Hope:
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jun 19, 2006 8:46 AM   
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.. meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

new wallpaper for the prison walls ...
Posted by: weiwuwei on Jun 19, 2006 9:18 AM   
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Democrat or republican? green party, libertarian? Does it matter? More carrots to keep us thinking we can fix what is by nature anti-freedom. politics is a game owned by corporations, we can never win it. it's all an illusion. after it all collapses, then maybe there will be real transformation, not of the system but of global conciousness. prettier wallpaper won't do it.

Empire culture is inherently self-destructive. it is cancerous, impersonal and not within anyones control. It seems all we can do is make the individual choices that seem best to us at the moment and see what happens. And to remember that empire culture is inherently self destructive. Pessimistic, cynical? i don't think so, it's just the nature of a cancerous disease to destroy it's host.

Are you all kidding me?
Posted by: BobWallace on Jun 19, 2006 9:45 AM   
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What are your expectations of a progressive Senator? Even one as popular as Obama is still just one voice among many. He must work within the system if he is to accomplish anything - and I’d argue he’s done a good job at precisely that.

The “revolution” you are waiting for is never going to happen. It takes a series of incremental victories to change the landscape. Obama is helping the Dems win these victories. When his power and that of the party grows, he will have more opportunities to make larger changes.

I’m not sure if you are out-of-touch progressives or simply conservative trolls, but every time you bring someone like Obama down you further fracture the party and make it even more difficult to create the unity necessary to challenge the current system. Wake up. It’s fine to think Bush is a moron, and that he is ruining the country, but you still must recognize that comprise is necessary as long as progressives are in the minority.

» RE: Are you all kidding me? Posted by: solrev
» RE: Are you all kidding me? Posted by: BobWallace
» Your Mistake Bob Wallace Posted by: mikespindell
» RE: Are you all kidding me? Posted by: saywhat?
» RE: Are you all kidding me? Posted by: Iconoclast421
» RE: Are you all kidding me? Posted by: ncg96773
Just Another DemoPublican
Posted by: Steven Wanzell on Jun 19, 2006 9:56 AM   
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Only a REAL second party is going to generate the leadership American democracy needs to escape its grave. Until "liberals" (whatever that means!) face this fact, they won't be able to dig themselves and the rest of the public out.

Steven Wanzell
artist/activist/ex-American
www.wanzellarts.com.ar

» RE: Just Another DemoPublican Posted by: weiwuwei
» RE: Just Another DemoPublican Posted by: resistance6
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Smokin' the Right
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jun 19, 2006 11:03 AM   
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On Air America's Ring of Fire there is a commentary called The Pap Attack by co-host Mike Papantonio. If you didn't listen this weekend you really missed it. This is exactly the kind of truth telling that is lacking on the left.

Go to ringoffireradio.com and click on the pap attack for this weekend.

Gave same speech 6 weeks ago
Posted by: ctguy on Jun 19, 2006 11:06 AM   
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For whatever it's worth, Obama gave the same speech -- word for word -- at a Democratic fund-raising dinner in Connecticut 6 weeks ago. Not a statement he crafted specifically for the "Take Back America" conference. It's his stump speech.

» RE: Gave same speech 6 weeks ago Posted by: resistance6
» RE a frickin great show Posted by: resistance6
John de Graaf/Take Back Your Time
Posted by: timeday on Jun 19, 2006 11:07 AM   
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Having heard Obama's speech at Take Back America and having had the chance to meet with him on another occasion, I am convinced that he is the real deal--truly progressive, thoughtful, smart and charismatic enough to win. I hope he runs. The most depressing thing about reading Alternet is the comments from so many people with a lot of time on their hands who just love to take any progressive leader apart. When will some of us learn that the perfect is indeed often an ememy of the good? Barack Obama's moral message--to reject the "you're on your ownership" ideology for one based on the premise that we're all in this together, is what we need to keep promoting to turn this country around from the politics of greed. Please, leftists, get real. We have an opportunity for meaningful change now and Barack Obama is doing a huge service to that cause!

Sunday School -- Tough But Smart -- Free Market -- YadaYadaYada
Posted by: fairleft on Jun 19, 2006 11:32 AM   
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Yawn, what a bunch of DLC consultant vetted, focus group tested mumbo jumbo... Anyway no Barack, Americans don't understand what you're about, and we don't dig the usual bathos and generalities.

What we want, see, is we want you to represent _our_ interests, not the interests of the militarists and Zionists, the free traders, or the ethanol promoters... However, if you ever free yourself from your campaign contributors, corporate lawyer buddies, and the DLC... Ahh never mind never gonna happen.

Just another DLC wannabe
Posted by: ljsullivan1166@earthlink.net on Jun 19, 2006 11:38 AM   
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Once I learned that Obama's 'mentor' is Joe Lieberman, that was it -- all the pretty rhetoric in the world isn't going to cover the stink of his support for the war. No candidate in the upcoming election will get my vote unless s/he is talking loud and clear about getting out of Iraq ASAP. And this guy is not.

» RE: Just another DLC wannabe Posted by: turbocrusher
global warming
Posted by: Drclaw on Jun 19, 2006 12:52 PM   
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I read some of your posts-they are interesting, often thoughtful and generally consistent (I could do without the race baiting however). I generally disagree with your politics even as I am impressed by your thinking. Howver, you have absolutely zero understanding of climate change. Wake up-it's going on. You were right about temperatures not always getting warmer-some areas will chill (average temp of the globe will go up, however)-everything else you say is incorrect. The overwhelming consensus of meterologists, earth & atmospheric scientists (even most of those working for corporate sponsored think tanks) acknowledge human activity as the primary cause of climate changes. Please don't confuse this with the decadal oscillations-these are incorporated into the models, and the most recent (derived independently from two major groups in US and Europe) make some nasty predictions based on modal (not extreme) extrapolations of current pop growth and industrial activity. It could well be worse. These models use data from several thousand studies over all regions and many earth epochs to develop the computational machinery. Please go to any one of the decent climate change sites (suggestions offered if you want), or stick with your political posts. Sorry you don't like Gore, but he's not (sadly) making this up.
btw-why is it anti-worker? is there some reason why renewable energy will not result in job creation??

» RE: global warming Posted by: feller
I was inspired
Posted by: joannedickson on Jun 19, 2006 1:11 PM   
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How articulate! I guess it is encouraging that our right to free speech allows morons who know only 4 letter words to speak as well.

Obama and inmate camps
Posted by: derfb1 on Jun 19, 2006 1:26 PM   
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Obama, a Muslim, is not telling the whole truth. These camps are for criminals that have been caught and convicted. These are "inmate" camps.
The liberals helped set them up and the Army set up Regs. back in 1997. The liberals felt this would be a "better environment" for the inmates than a prison--like who cares.

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Always Looking for the Next Messiah....
Posted by: CatDad on Jun 19, 2006 1:27 PM   
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Democrats are always looking for the next messiah to save them from themselves. I remember during the 76 Dem. Convention that there were posters showing a morphed figure of Jimmy Carter and Christ.

At this point I’d settle for a sixty (or even seventy)-something, non-telegenic, no-nonsense, take-em-by-the-balls character who has the same sense of national honor as the WWII/Great Depression generation. I don’t know where to find such a person. I’m getting tired of slick, attractive, aticulate, narcisstic, baby-boomer candidates who woo progressives then “reach out to Republicans” the second they get elected/re-elected. It’s a terrible, terrible shame that Sen. Diane Feinstein is such a total sell-out on economic issues and the Iraq War....cause she has exactly the type of personae that the Dems need to both win and govern.

The only constituency in the Democratic Party which has any reason to be half-way thrilled with any candidate is the single-issue/pro-choice faction of the party...For the rest of us, the party has hopelessly discredited itself on economic/free-trade/Iraq War issues.

"...atrocities in revenge..."
Posted by: vand on Jun 19, 2006 2:12 PM   
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Here is the crux of the human dilemma. As a species, do we continue defaulting to a.i.r. reflexes of "old brain", or overcome "kill or be killed" dynamic using "newer brain" capabilities of conscientious cooperation, ecological/ethical forethought, etc.?
We must all keep learning and applying ancient wisdom(s) and interdisciplinary "state-of-the-art" research on human potential to become the evolutionary "change we wish to see in the world." I wish Israel would take the geopolitical lead as they are in a strategic position to do so, U.S. in too much denial. But there are all of us alternative others who realize the "enemy" is always ignorance and we must, personally and socio-politically not allow ourselves to be enslaved by it!! We need a pro-wisdom, anti-imperialistic slavery NEW DEAL. Now if Gore & Co. can come up with just the right slogans...brainstorm, anyone?

» Confused by Your New/Old!!!! Posted by: Conservativation
Why
Posted by: Conservativation on Jun 19, 2006 2:23 PM   
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I was glad to see him comment on the fact that people accuse Democrats of not articulating what they stand FOR, instead of just complaining about the status quo. He did indeed state what he is for, and I suppose thats a start.
But is it sufficient to state grand goals and not a word as to how to get from A to B. It is in there that the disagreement resides.
Republicans and Democrats are both guilty of foisting characteristics on one another that really do not exist. For example, the left accuses the right of not caring at all about poor people...nonsense, and the right accuses the left of not wanting to win the war, and of enjoying bad news, and of rooting for bad things to happen. I don't believe that either. It is that we both see the other that way because of how we disagree on getting to the same place.
If I made a speech declaring how much I am for world peace, healthcare for everyone, a fair safety net for that steel worker he mentioned, opportunity for all, diplomacy in international matters, etc. etc. , would my saying that get any progressives excited? No, because Im a conservative. But be assured I want every one of those things too.
It is when you start to list how to do it that sparks fly. On domestic things, essentially there is only one way for progressives to keep to the agenda and seek health care and the rest, and that is higher taxes. Conservatives feel that would be a net harm to the "everyman" due to reduced growth and investment and that these social benefits come from prosperity. I'm not pitching my way here at this moment, but trust me, shoe on the other foot would yield examples of say a small businessman laying off workers etc. as we cannot seem to get the definition of the word "rich" down.
If we had to write a check to the treasury every two weeks for taxes, everyone would be republican!
Sorry Barak, it is nice to outline the ingrediates to a utoplia, but there need be an action plan to get there before many people take notice. Politicians on both sied of the aisle have gotten lazy and toss platitudes rather than action plans...it sucks.

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Haiku to Resistance6 and Feller
Posted by: mikespindell on Jun 19, 2006 3:21 PM   
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Resistance 6
With Feller Trolling June posts
Dumb and Dumber in twain

If you guys aren't working as Rove interns then it is apparent that you're out of work, inherited wealth, or are just two lost souls without a life. This is a judgment based on comparing your huge output of posts, with the paucity of cogent comment. This posting seems to be your form of masturbation, in which case you are even more pathetic.

I'd be more impressed with Obama's education if...
Posted by: RON_KING on Jun 19, 2006 3:57 PM   
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he had the age of the Century correct.

RE: Barack Obama can go fuck himself
Posted by: DeadPatriot on Jun 19, 2006 4:17 PM   
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brilliant comment, shows a lot of thought. That means Mr. Murtha, a HUGE advocate of withdrawl also voted to fund yes?.. We made this mess.. we cannot just bail.. and let the real crap hit the fan..not that it isnt already.

Call to action?
Posted by: Slmncty on Jun 19, 2006 4:42 PM   
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Rosa Parks & M.L.K. changed a nation. Solidarity changed a nation and a government. Boycott and Labor walk out.

» RE: Call to action? Posted by: feller
BARACK NEEDS TO PRACTICE WHAT HE PREACHS
Posted by: deadringer1 on Jun 19, 2006 5:52 PM   
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I have one simple statement to make - if he wants to be effective than he needs to move his voting record where his mouth is, period.

Obama no. Amos 'n' Andy yes.
Posted by: cthelyt on Jun 19, 2006 7:22 PM   
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At least they were honest and didn't change their shtick.

Offensive? How more offensive than Obama as a Joe Lieberman protege rather pitifully fancying himself a progressive? Limousine liberal at best, progressive hardly.

The whole Obama phenomenon is an MSM sideshow. The real action is here in cyberspace. Make your voices heard and let Obama hang out with Rupert Murdoch, Hilary, and Ann Coulter.

» Obama is the Wizard of Oz Posted by: feller
Good guy, but forget the system
Posted by: fifthworld on Jun 19, 2006 8:43 PM   
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Democratic Party now reportedly getting more corporate donations than the Repugnifascists; not surprising given the Bush march to hell, but still a hopeless scenario, the rotating door of the One Party Ownership Class charade.

Here we go again...
Posted by: jeff2045 on Jun 19, 2006 9:09 PM   
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...progressives, liberals, democrats, whatever label you choose to build a fence around yourselves with...snarling, snapping, spitting at each other while power mad megalomaniacs take total control of our government and proceed to rape, pillage, and plunder, literally and figuratively.

It's the oldest tactic in the book, and it's working...divide and conquer.

We need a spiritual awakening in this country...that bright light one sees when one pulls one's head out of one's ass. Folks, this ain't their fault. We're all Americans. We broke it, and now we need to grow up, roll up our sleeves, get to work, and fix it...together...period.

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Obama has vision
Posted by: amerlib on Jun 19, 2006 9:31 PM   
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I don't get why some of the readers of Obama's speech have posted that they don't like what is said? And used vulgar language in their titles. Why? Just what is it that YOU want from the progressives, democrats then, assuming that is what you are and what are you doing to change our course?

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but will they buy it
Posted by: insulafortune on Jun 20, 2006 1:41 AM   
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Looking out for each other is not high on people's lists of to do's through government. It's a broad appeal but not something enough people want government to do since Reagan era. We americans are consumers 1st off and want to know what politicians can do for us personally or our specific demographic group. Grand theories of social good do not work for voters. Appeals to personal advancement are better. But I suppose they are good for speeches, the real work has to be done through targeting small populations through advocacy groups narrowcasting. Gore is right to try to install fear about global warming, much like the republicans did with terrorism. If temperatures and weather patterns continue to rise and or cause devastation perhaps this can become tangable enough to break the status quo.
If Obama can rise up he's gonna need Acxiom and he's gonna need a better mix of targeting personal wishes and broad appeals to social good.

Can anyone say "John Edwards"
Posted by: jonwilson on Jun 20, 2006 2:17 AM   
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A Party of Idiots.
Posted by: wb1977 on Jun 20, 2006 7:44 AM   
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Another perfect example of why the Democratic party continues to lose.
We get a guy like Obama, who's not a stiff (Kerry), and we shit all over him.
No, don't support him, you stupid bastards.

Who else do you think has a realistic shot at winning? WHO?
Clinton? Too soon.
Kerry? Forget it.
Edwards? No.
Oh right, Gore. Yeah, when he's done with his movie career.

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Just Another DemoPublican
Posted by: Steven Wanzell on Jun 20, 2006 12:58 PM   
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I believe, at this miserable point at which American democracy finds itself, REAL leadership will have to come from a candidate who can pull the true progressives (this certainly excludes the Dems!) together into a coalition - a new (REAL OPPOSITION) party. Until this happens, it'll be more of the same old corporatocracy.

Steven Wanzell
artist/activist/ex-American
www.wanzellarts.com.ar

Actions Over Words
Posted by: jimprues on Jun 21, 2006 4:41 PM   
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Barack is certainly taking a hit in these comments, but deservingly so. He hasn't taken strong, progressive stances with any consistency. If he wants praise from us "angry liberals," he needs to earn it.

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What about Howard Dean?
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 22, 2006 1:26 PM   
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I'm just curious why his name never comes up at all. What's wrong with him?

He is the only one who seems to fit the description of who you're looking for.

So why is he verboten to speak?

» RE: What about Howard Dean? Posted by: amycrawford
WHAT A BUNCH OF WHINY COMMENTS
Posted by: abqbabe on Jun 23, 2006 2:13 PM   
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So many of these comments are beyond belief! Boy, are you just where Bush and his cronies want you to be psychologically. Down trodden and faint hearted; somebody offers you hope and you spit at his hand.

Finally a good man steps up to the plate - and Obama is very possibly a great man - and all you can do is weasel down in your armchair and whine and find reasons NOT to participate in saving [y]ourselves.

There's an old political axiom that says people don't get get the government they want, they get the government they deserve (or permit). No wonder we're in such a mess if all we can do is look for reasons not to try to change things, starting with ourselves.

Obama is definitely my man. Not just because he talks a good speech, but because he has the potential to get the PEOPLE of this country off their TV watching butts and back thinking on the right track to take back this country. At this moment in history we need that bright and shining North Star, to follow, as far away as it may seem at the moment.

You may curl your lip and mumble about "impossible dreams", but baby, if you DON'T HAVE A DREAM, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE A DREAM COME TRUE?

RE: WHAT A BUNCH OF WHINY COMMENTS
Posted by: fairleft on Jun 23, 2006 7:22 PM   
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The Democratic Party needs a leader who'll say "out in 6-12 months," and has a few now, finally.

Obama ain't one of them. What he gives us is tired rhetoric and no beef. The lack of substance is not an accident: it's what you get from a cautious false 'populist' floating on a sea of corporate money.

...he has the potential to get the PEOPLE of this country off their TV watching butts...

And check yourself out: usually it's Republicans who are America misanthropes, because it excuses their excessive wealth. You don't need that and it's cancer for a real, popular Democratic Party.

This guy is a Zionist warmonger like the rest
Posted by: stevenp on Jun 24, 2006 7:38 AM   
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"We understand, as progressives, that we need a tough foreign policy," TRANSLATED: Hail Israel! Hail Sharon! Which Arab people do we destroy next?

American democracy has imploded into a vote between Zionist A and Zionist B.

The Bush-Kerry presidential debate:

George W. Bush: “A free Iraq will be an ally in the war on terror, and that’s essential. A free Iraq will set a powerful example in the part of the world that is desperate for freedom. A free Iraq will help secure Israel. A free Iraq will enforce the hopes and aspirations of the reformers in places like Iran. A free Iraq is essential for the security of this country.”

John Kerry: “Soldiers know over there that this isn’t being done right yet. I’m going to get it right for those soldiers, because it’s important to Israel, it’s important to America, it’s important to the world, it’s important to the fight on terror.”

This democratic collapse is in turn driven by Jewish media control, a fact that single handedly redefines America as a Judeo-fascist regime. Media control and democracy cannot co-exist under any circumstances:

"Four of the largest five entertainment giants are now run or owned by Jews. Murdoch's News Corp (at number four) is the only gentile holdout -- however Rupert is as pro-Israel as any Jew, probably more so."
Los Angeles Jewish Times, 'Yes, Virginia, Jews Do Control the Media,' Oct. 29-Nov. 11, 1999 p. 14

"Time-Warner, Disney, Viacom-CBS, News Corporation and Universal rule the entertainment world in a way that the old Hollywood studio chiefs only dreamed of. And, after all the deals and buyouts, four of the five are run by Jews. We're back to where we started, bigger than ever."
Jewish Week, 9-17-99, 12

"The greatest concentration of Jews, however, is at the producer level -- and it is the producers who decide which stories will go on the air, and how long, and in what order, they will run. In 1982, before a shift in assignments, the executive producers of all three evening newscasts were Jewish, as were the executive producers of CBS's 60 Minutes and ABC's 20/20. And Jews are almost equally prominent at the 'senior producer' and 'broadcast producer' levels as well as in senior management. When Reuven Frank stepped down as president of NBC News in 1984, for example, he was replaced by Laurence Grossman, who left the presidency of PBS to take the position."
Charles Silberman, A Certain People. American Jews and Their Lives Today, Summit Books, 1985, p. 154

Judeo-fascism is not a recent development. This hidden ruling elite has been intimidating sitting presidents into behaving like frightened children for quite some time now:

"This [Jewish media] stranglehold has got to be broken, or the country's going down the drain," Graham declares. "You believe that?" Nixon says. "Yes, sir," answers Graham. "Oh, boy," replies Nixon. "So do I. I can't ever say that, but I believe it."
Nixon-Graham tapes (1972)

Another Corporate Shill
Posted by: xi_people on Jun 24, 2006 8:59 AM   
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By my observation, Mr. Barak is a highly intelligent, thoughful, capable individual. He's also just another talented corporate shill - eye candy for those who are desperate for change. He will NOT provide change, but supports the political system that has the country in a horrible mess, from which it will not emerge.

He cannot win a presidential election. Neither can Hillary Clinton. Both are being set up as straw-men for 2008 because, in truth, democrats don't want to win. A deal has been struck in the ruling class that due to the coming scarcity in energy, significant portions of the Middle East must be placed under direct US control. Republicans have the criminality to do what has to be done; democrats don't have the stomach for it.

I feel sorry for people who fall for Mr. Barak's "sweet nothings" because Lieberman's protege will leave you holding an empty bag and a broken heart. He gives a great speech, but it means absolutely nothing.

My "love affair" with him ended when he started with the "get tough with Iran" meme a few months ago. If he were going enlist, take up a rifle, and head to Tehran I'd at least give him some respect - but he won't. He'll foment an environment that will ultimately lead to other people's children getting killed for pure folly.

I will listen to Mr. Barak only when I hear him forcefully advocate for an immediate, unconditional withdrawal from Iraq. I will listen if he discusses the completely corrupted voting system and machines. Until then, he is a non-entity to me, and should be for all voting democrats.

How to get to the root cause of economic problems
Posted by: geotopia on Jun 24, 2006 12:45 PM   
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I believe that Senator Obama is a decent and intelligent guy. However, since I'm a member of the Democratic Freedom Caucus and the Smart Tax Alliance I won't support him until he gets to the root cause of most progressive economic issues. Obama needs to announce his support for the Smart Tax Shift.

The Smart Tax Shift calls for the removal of taxes on business (economic freedom), the removal of taxes on labor and the issuance of a citizen's dividend for all (fairness), and the creation of fees on the use of OUR natural resources including the pollution of our land, air, and water; fees for the exclusive monopoly of site locations; full charge for using broadcast spectrum; and fees on the extraction of natural resources. This will create a sustainable world of resource conservation. This is also called Earthrights Democracy.

If anyone, including Senator Obama, wants to learn more then go to the Chicago Conference on this coming up in July.

See:

Council of Georgist Organizations annual meeting:

http://www.progress.org/cgo/

also see: www.earthshift.org

If It Were So Simple
Posted by: mrpres16 on Jun 24, 2006 2:37 PM   
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If only it were as simple as all of the naive postulations;surely the good in people would have overtaken the corruption by now.Sadly,it is not so simple.We have seen the slow construction of giant beuracracy that exists outside of the parameters of direct control.Our Government is a vast impersonal machine.The machine is easily bent for ill in the hands of the wrong controllers.Actual control is elusive,as special interest club members gain access where the common-folk cannot.
We the electorate,stand on the otherside of a wall...the controls of the machine are nearly out of reach.We are forced into the option of gaining control through proxy only.We strive to elect the annointed ones to operate this vast machine on our representative behalf.We hope that our interests are served,threatening eviction by ballot box if not.
This simply never puts the majority in any position of true control.The process is a slow motion proxy fight for direction of the impersonal machine of governance.The system of two representative parties will never serve us.As a people we must shift our thinking towards new ways to maneuver into the seats of the controllers.
The time has come to create and maintain a healthy, competitive political arena...where the ballot box is the final law of democracy.There should exist the law of no tampering;the law of non involvement by coporate interests through campaign donation;the law of full disclosure of media to prevent endorsement bias;the law of campaign spending ceilings,just to name a few that are needed to keep the process balanced.
The democracy would become better secured from unwarranted control if there were a multitude of platforms competing.A growth of selection;the birthing of emergent ideas supported by a system giving equal support to their respective possibilities,thrusting into the light of the national media the opportunity for the electorate to choose among competing ideas the fair representration of a diverse nation.
All of this is doable...right now,in our time.Shall we wait for some senator or congressman,or governor to step forward and say some things that seem to push the right buttons?No.We must assume that it is not that simple.We must conclude,finally,that there is work to be done to heal our democracy...let us begin anew to forge a new dynamic in our own time while there are chances left to save ourselves.

I prefer John Conyers.
Posted by: WhatNow? on Jun 25, 2006 12:16 AM   
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or Fiengold. If Obama were a better man, we would have seen him with Conyers speaking out against election fraud in Ohio and the Downing Street papers but I do not recall ever hearing a word from him on either of these problems.

Barack Is The Man
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 25, 2006 5:30 AM   
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No question about it: Barack DEFINATELY has that Bobby Kennedy thing happening. He can speak with equal passion and credibility to blacks AND whites. Nobody even attempts to do that any more.

Lets's face it, kiddies. We're long overdue for a black president. Alot of people thought of was going to be Colin Powell.....excuse me......

[Long pause]

I'm sorry. I just had a fit og the giggles. I'll be all right....Some even though that it might be Condi Rice.....One minute......

[Even LONGER pause]

Sorry. I did it again. I just can't help myself - It's such a funny thought!....Where was I?.....Oh yeah....For years I said the the first African American president would be a republican for the simple reason that even a centrist or slightly left-of-center black candidate scares the shit out of DINGBAT America (or "Middle America - take your pick). But these aren't ordinary times we're living in, folks! Why not Barack Obama? He's got what it takes, no question about it. He's also, I believe, the most intelligent politician since Daniel Patrick Moynahan. Do you think for one minute that any republican is going to stand up and say, with a straight face, that he's not smart enough to be president? After five and a half years of a major league asshole like George W. Bush in charge of things??? I don't think so.

Or maybe he could be on the ticket in 'O8 as a vice-presidential candidate? As I've said before, in 2008 the democrats will have to stop running away from their base in order to win the White House. Who better to pump them up than Barack Obama?

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY

Tom Degan's Daily Rant
http://tomdegan.blogspot.com/

He Needs The Irish Vote
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 25, 2006 5:39 AM   
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He also might want to start spelling his name: O'Bama. It'll play really well in Boston. Just a thought.

Tom Degan
http://tomdegan.blogspot.com/

Now you've done it!
Posted by: RhodesVan3000 on Jun 25, 2006 9:16 AM   
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Now that you've pulled the scab off the wound the maggots will be out in full force. Clearly Leiberman running with Gore gave Bush the margin he needed to steal the 2000 election. While America will vote for a Zionist for president they won't vote for a Jew. On the same note from our racist society all this talk about Condi running for president is crap. A black woman a heart beat away from the oval office? Yeah right.