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Iraq's War Porn
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The trouble is that we find it almost unbearable to look at such images. We believe the war would end if the corporate media showed such images, yet we turn our faces away if they're placed in front of us; even more so, if they happen to be images of torture or of soldiers enjoying humiliating Iraqis. Worst of all are the gruesome images that soldiers have created themselves in this new digital age as war trophies.
If such images were in our wallets, we wouldn't want them to give anyone the impression that we took some sort of sick pleasure in seeing Iraqis blown apart. Yet some of those images have come to us over the Internet from U.S. soldiers who evidently found exactly that pleasure in taking and posting them. As hard as we find it to look at the images, we find it a hundred times harder to try to think our way inside the minds that could do such a thing. We're afraid that, once there, we couldn't freely leave.
We know, of course, that the parents of a murdered child will never be free of the horror, that the soldiers who did it will never forget, and that the people those soldiers live with when they come back home will not be unaffected. To properly address claims that some wars are good wars and that the worst deeds of war are performed by "bad apples," we have to have a clear picture of what war is, including the worst of it. If we leave out an understanding of the worst of war, all of our thinking must be distorted.
Therefore, look at this picture.
Did you look? Those are children who, as likely as not, were running and playing in the months before our government launched a war on the basis of lies. I don't know how those particular children died, but most of the deaths in this war, like all modern wars, are civilian ones, many the result of bombing. This is what "collateral damage" looks like.
Now look at this image.
These are mild images. I'm going very easy on you. This child is alive, but wounded --quite probably wounded psychologically as well. Does the woman holding this child look grateful and liberated? Does she look like she will have an easy time forgiving the people who did this? Why do I write "the people who did this"? Why can't I be honest and write "us"? The United States government launched this war, making us responsible for everything that happens in it.
This image is far more powerful than Edvard Munch's "The Scream."
I don't know what happened, but I know that this is a picture of unbearable rage. I've looked at many images like this one in which, even if I have no way of learning the details, war is presented far more powerfully than could be done in words.
Here's someone with enough years ahead of him to forget and forgive.
But think how hard it will be for him to do so. Then think how easily we will forgive ourselves for not having done more to prevent this war or end it sooner. Who will have the easier time, and should it be that way?
There are stories in our media now about U.S. troops killing civilians -- men, women, and children in cold blood. Sometimes these killings are described as motivated by revenge for Iraqi hostility and ingratitude. But who told our soldiers that the Iraqis would be grateful for being invaded, shock-and-awed, and occupied? Who spread that lie? Not the Iraqis.
And who told our soldiers that it was acceptable to kill the "hadji" (the term they appropriated in a racist way for Iraqis)? Who taught our young men and women to place bags over Iraqi heads?
These people have faces. The bags take away the stories those faces might tell.
To defend the United States, our soldiers have been sent by the Bush administration to "handle" people who never threatened us and who live in a nation that never threatened us by:
pinning them to the ground;
holding guns to their heads;
parading them naked;
leaving them handcuffed in the dirt, creating scenes that concentration camp guards from Nazi Germany would have flinched at far less than the rest of us;
surely the "hadjis" are not human if we can treat them this way, if their limbs can be found lying about in the street like fruit off a tree;
if piles of their corpses present logistical rather than legal problems.
But to say that our soldiers, or some of our soldiers anyway, do not see the Iraqis as humans is not to suggest that they see them simply as objects. Rather, they surely see them as enemies, as "evildoers," as "insurgents," as "terrorists." Such creatures are almost by definition, beyond sympathy, entirely alien, and not just to be randomly harmed, but abused.
Here is a U.S. soldier posing with two Iraqi boys. They are all giving a thumbs-up signal, and one of the boys is holding a sign he is surely incapable of understanding that says: "Lcpl Boudreaux killed my dad then he knocked up my sister!" With some images from this war, we cannot know if, or to what extent, they were posed. This one, however, is clearly a performance and we are the audience. We are supposed to laugh.
And, in a sense, the sign in this photo is certainly true. At least some U.S. soldiers have evidently become so accustomed to killing and torturing that it dominates their thinking. What dominates your thinking, what concerns you, often comes out in humor. It is quite likely that the soldier in this photo has not murdered or raped anyone, but perhaps he has seen such things done by others. Given the nature of our war in Iraq, though, it is entirely possible that he has committed such acts.
Think about the images from Abu Ghraib. Here's one to remind you, one you may not have seen before.
The question we should ask ourselves is not just why our soldiers tortured this man, but why someone took a photo of it. How had such acts become behavior to take pride in, to record as keepsakes? And are a few bad apples really capable of creating such conditions?
A photograph presupposes an audience, someone to enjoy or appreciate it. Here's an image of a young female prisoner in Abu Ghraib raising her shirt as she was certainly forced to do.
Someone expects us to enjoy that as pornography. Instead, it offers a glimpse of a world of unfathomable humiliation and abuse, the very same world that produced the image above of the bleeding man.
If you go to this collection of image galleries and scroll down to the very bottom, you will see a couple of folders labeled "War Trophy Photos." I must leave it to your judgment whether you want to see them or not. I trust you to want to see them for the right reasons. These are images of corpses and body parts mutilated and displayed, in close-up, laid out on a platter for cannibals. These are images that no one should find it easy to view, not even surgeons. But they are part of the true story of what this war is about and what all wars are about.
Many of these images were sent by American soldiers to a website that marketed pornography. Presumably, these were viewed as war pornography. Presumably, they were created by people who have come to love war. And I don't mean people who avoid going to wars and then send other people's children to fight and die or be turned into people who could do this. I don't think Dick Cheney and George Bush flip through these photos in the evening, but I think they have a duty to do so until they can't stand it anymore and bring our troops home.
By "people who have come to love war," I mean soldiers who signed up for college money or adventure and were trained as sociopathic killers.
Recently, in Newsweek, I read a comment from an American soldier in Iraq who mentioned that one of his buddies had run over a family with his tank. Personally, I don't want to live in a society with that in our magazines, but as long as it's happening, I want it printed on the front page, and I want photos with it.
Update: On June 9, soon after I wrote that, I got my wish. The U.S. military killed Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, took a photo of his dead head, blew it up to enormous proportions, and displayed it in a frame at a press conference. From the way it was framed, the head could have been connected to a body or not. Presumably this was meant to be not only proof of his death, but a kind of revenge for al-Zarqawi's beheading of Americans. The image would fit perfectly in a collection of war trophy photos. Is there any mystery about where rank and file soldiers learn to behave this way?
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Posted by: cordas on Jun 15, 2006 12:36 AM
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These pictures are truly horrific, thats not to say they shouldn't be shown but that they should. Its only pictures like this that will shock people out of their complacancy that this war is justified and being fought on their behalf. You only have to see the shock and horror on the faces of the survivers to know where the next terrorist / suicide bomber is coming from.
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Posted by: andyc on Jun 15, 2006 2:14 AM
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The current occupants probably ought to receive updated editions weekly until they show some semblance of a human response.
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Posted by: Bobsays on Jun 15, 2006 3:10 AM
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When we see an Iraqi woman lifting her shirt in a US prison, we are rightly shocked at her loss of dignity. But should we be? It is standard procedure in all prisons and with all customs inspections to do far worse. Full body cavity searches of men and women are the norm when searching for drugs. If you saw photos of this, you would feel for the person's dignity, but would you really accept the free flow of drugs?
What happened at Abu Ghraib doesn't even come close to what goes on everyday at the hands of muslim terrorist groups. How would you feel if you saw the images of the people killed and maimed on London's tube trains? How would you feel when you see a press conference labouring over the raid on two muslim brothers (one of who was shot in the shoulder), and their personal and real shame and humiliation, yet see that it gets more airtime than the 7/7 attack?
How about the charred remains of the people from 9/11? You are being played by people with an agenda: an agenda to shame our government and claim that it does worse things than its enemies, which is not true.
Most progressives agree with the need to fight WWII. But would you be happy if you saw the consequences on human beings of the bombing of Dresden, or the nuclear attacks on Japan? How do you weigh that against the Holocaust?
War is brutal, ugly, disgusting. To compare it to pornography, which in the main is nothing more than people doing what people do, is offensive. There is no way around the ugly aspects of war. It is why you engage with politics and make sure your government takes that decision seriously. It is why we honour and protect soldiers because we ask them to do the worst things on our behalf.
Having served as soldier, I have grown very weary of progressives who have no clue how freedom is protected, who are selective in who they criticise and demonise.
In my life, the most honourable people I have ever met have not been those working in NGOs, but soldiers. There is a level of human existence, of concepts of loyalty, that don't dissapear in the wind at the next budget round or fundraising drive. It means bonding with people who don't share your class, univeristy degree or knowing sartorial winks.
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» Porn? Perhaps not.
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Posted by: Captainmagic on Jun 15, 2006 3:10 AM
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A message to the general population of the USA...It may not have been your fault for this travesty, but it is if you let it continue...We the rest of the world are pionting our fingers at you.....aren't you supposed to know better...arh.. but we have seen this before have'nt we...it's what you like to do best......and we say, once again... yeah.. good on yah!!! NOT.
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Posted by: kooz on Jun 15, 2006 3:59 AM
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While reading it I constantly recalled a scene from the recent Documnetary called "Occupation: Dreamland in which a strapping young Marine, who could be your neighbor, claims, "I just love smkong them, I really do." He almost said the word killing but he tempered his murdurous declaration with the word "smoking."
When you compare the conceptualized and confirmed attitudes of the civilian soldiers who fought WWII with the attitudes of professional soldiers killing in Iraq you can draw the obvious conclusion that the WWII soldiers are the men who really gave the world the correct idea that Americans were unique, caring and compassionate in that we did not committ mass murder, mass rape, and mass senseless destruction. (I mean on and individual or small unit basis by soldiers and nnot the types of things like the fire bombing of Japanese civilians ordered by people like MaCnamara, I mean the boots on the ground men.) WWII soldiers did not carry the mindset of todays American soldiers(and 25,000 U.S. government paid mercenaries) who seem to have a total and complete disregard for civilian Iraqis. In 2006 American soldiers are more like the Russians and even Germans during WWII. They rape, torture, kill with glee and exuberance, and seem to have no conscience, no sympathy, no care at all for human life which is their prey and which are usually innocent civilians, helpless women, old men and children.
We Amercans, we Band of Murderers, we have become the personification of evil in the world. We are all shamed by the Nazi-like leaders of the Bush Administration, the so-called Christians and Neocons, and the soldiers who would goose-step, if told to, on their maruding rpaing murdering rampage through the ancient land of Mesopotamia. Shame on all of us, every one of us.
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Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 15, 2006 4:16 AM
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Do yourselves a favor: Purchase the DVD, "Hijacking Catastrophe". The film is distributed by the Media Education Foundation and is narrated by the great Julian Bond. It is a 64 minute indictment of the Bush Mob and how they helped turn another generation of children into killing machines for the Military Industrial Complex. It also examines, in detail, the lies that led to the invasion. Buy it and arrange a showing at your local public library. If they won't allow you to have a viewing there, show it to as many people as possible in the privacy of your very own home! There is also included in the package a condenced, thirty minute version of the film to show to fans of "Fox and Friends" who normally have very low attention spans. If, after seeing it, any one of them still support the president, give them up for dead. There's no hope for them. Most people, however, will be moved - and outraged. This is Grass Roots Politics at its very best! We can change the political face of this country even if it means one soul at a time.
Tell everyone to vote in November! Tell them all that our country is on the brink of socio-economic destruction (Am I sounding overly dramatic and alarmist? Good!) I'll be brutally frank: If the republicans are allowed to retain controll of both houses of congress after the mid-term elections, this country is finished..
Pray for peace.
Tom Degan
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Posted by: Arvy on Jun 15, 2006 4:23 AM
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The American expert then PROUDLY spoke about how by the time of the first gulf war they had managed to raise this percentage to 90%!!
Congratulations…! The people of Iraq are reaping the benefits.
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Posted by: hisnibs on Jun 15, 2006 5:34 AM
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As I said, I was not sent to Vietnam and never saw that kind of combat. Most of us did not. We simply went where our rich uncle sent us and asked no questions. But we were primed, nonetheless. We had detonators in our brains just waiting to be set off. We were geared for atrocity. And so when I read articles such as the above, or others about Haditha, part of me, sitting here now at the age of sixty-two, a greying man with grandchildren, knows that I, too, had the potential to do terrible things. In fact, all the high-sounding talk about honor and right-behaviour aside, it was expected of us.
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Posted by: kc10ken on Jun 15, 2006 5:50 AM
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This carnage is being committed in YOUR name as an American and will remain a stain on YOUR record for eternity.
Are YOU going let Bush continue this madness or will you step up to the plate, grow a pair of balls and DEMAND an end to this BULLSHIT?
I now do volunteer work for the Veterans Administration and I can tell you that the tide of military opinion has most decidedly turned AGAINST this administration and it's quagmire in Iraq.
18,500 PERMANENTLY maimed/disabled US Soldiers so far. Most just 19 year old kids now with no arms, no legs, horribly burned and disfigured and condemned to wheelchairs and beds for the rest of their lives.
2500 dead American soldiers.
100,000 dead innocent Iraqis.
WAKE UP AMERICA!
GET ANGRY! Go to your elected representatives offices and grab them by the neck and tell them to end this madness NOW!
Peace
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Posted by: kenadrian on Jun 15, 2006 6:05 AM
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As for your comments, it's clear that you haven't attended one and that your consider YOUR view of the world to be the defacto correct view. Universities are actually all about breaking people of that kind of arrogance, encouraging them to open up their hearts and minds to the perspectives of others. By the way, I've considered your perspective and I've come to the personal conclusion that it's nonsense.
Your perspective is not some "reality" that describes the world perfectly and, therefore, represents an argument. That's another thing people learn in universities.
Your antipathy for educated people who don't agree with your perspective reveals more about your own personal feelings of insecurity and inadequacy then it might serve to make some "blue collar hero" (or should I say "green collar hero") statement about the nature of war, violence, politics or anything else.
Finally, actually studying (whether at university or not) the history of humankind's violence against itself is what ultimately leads educated people to reject violence and over-simplified political statements that amount to such nonsensical statements as "freedom isn't free" - a theme within your post.
Freedom is a CHOICE and it starts with each of us. The whole point of the article is to provoke more interest in that choice.
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Posted by: Must have been the Roses on Jun 15, 2006 6:57 AM
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Posted by: heech on Jun 15, 2006 6:58 AM
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The Crimean War was the first war of the era of the photograph. When British citizens saw the grisly photos come back from the front lines they were traumatized and revolted.
The true face of war needs to be spread across this country, and the world.
Americans are protected from these images and so live in a world of opinion devoid of reality. Please, please advocate for the distribution far and wide of what it really looks like and the sounds of the grieving mothers, fathers, orphans.
But one small criticism: let's not call it porn in any context -- no matter that some human beings get off on it, let's call it what it is ... an abomination.
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Posted by: rockpicker on Jun 15, 2006 7:28 AM
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falls in the desert
and no one
shows you photos
of the shadows
of little bodies
etched on concrete walls,
is the wailing of mothers
still swallowed
by the whirr
of rotors?
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Posted by: LeonDion on Jun 15, 2006 7:28 AM
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Recently, Condoleeza Rice spoke to an audience of 12,000+ Southern Baptists, referred to "God" several times, and received several standing ovations.
Hypocrites!
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Posted by: mrd on Jun 15, 2006 7:53 AM
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An anecdote which I hope will illuminate the dehumanizing ideology into which soliders are being indoctrinated-- My brother recently returned for a break from his Marines training and matter-of-factly informed me that "there are no innocent Iraqis."
This is something he brought home from his training, something soldiers are apparently being led to believe. Or, if it is something he pulled out of his own mind, there is nothing in his training that led him to question it or reconsider the human status of Iraqi civilians. He used this comment to dismiss the notion of "colateral damage" and to legitimate killing innocents.
I fear for him, for the soldiers over there who are acting out such ideology, for our country--and most of all for Iraqi civilians.
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Posted by: zappa33 on Jun 15, 2006 8:14 AM
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I may have to throw up soon for many reasons.
I am going to send this link to everyone I know including my congressmen. I hope these images will WAKE PEOPLE THE FUCK UP!!.
Love to all,
Michael Umanoff
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» If Iraq War veterans ever come home and "lose it"
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Posted by: pdq on Jun 15, 2006 9:11 AM
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If you don't like what is happening, do something to change it, or leave and find a better place to request a citizenship. I hear that China has a wonderful health plan at the expense of your rights of child birth and freedom of speech. But those don't matter, now do they.
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» YOUR SLEAZY RATIONALIZATIONS ARE ALMOST AS REVOLTING AS THE PHOTOS!!!
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» You are as bad as Hussein
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Posted by: surfreality on Jun 15, 2006 11:25 AM
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Those horrble images are our response to 9/11. Would we be more secure if our response had been one of peace, mercy and healing? What if we were to break the cycle of violence?
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» thanks for those links
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» AWESOME idea
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Posted by: Patrick Murfin on Jun 15, 2006 11:42 AM
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That's fine by me.
Just step over here and sit down.
We can chat.
I've been thinking a lot about it lately
and so, I know, have you.
Here, have some tea.
We can talk, as they say in the papers,
freely and frankly.
But first, let's decorate the table.
Hand me that bag in the corner, please.
Yes, I know it's heavy.
Be careful not to stain your clothes.
Ah, the bloody, severed head.
Place it just so upon the lazy susan.
There, we can see just what it is
we are discussing.
Now, as you were saying...
--Patrick Murfin
"HERETIC, REBEL, A THING TO FLOUT"
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» If We had to Kill every German and Jap it would have been worth it
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Posted by: AnarchX on Jun 15, 2006 1:22 PM
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that's what soldiers do - both sides. the reality of war. we take young people (both sides) and turn them into monsters capable of butchering other human beings without a thought.
may God, Allah, Buddha, Vishnu, etc help us all ....
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Posted by: cold2touch on Jun 15, 2006 3:03 PM
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The fact is that technicians wiggling joysticks are directing Hellfire missiles headed with depleted uranium for better burn effects indiscriminately onto Iraqis. Who cares whether they are civilians or men defending their land, aka terrorists, they are all hajjis, right? So the score is US: 2,500 dead soldiers, Iraq:250,000, in other words, a 1:100 kill ratio in favor of the Empire.
Wasn't it always thus, since Assyrians, Romans, Mongols, Turks, Spanish Conquistadors, Dutch, French, Belgian, English, German, Japanese, Soviet and last but not the least, American imperial troops slaughtered the outgunned victims like fish in a barrel, ascribing it to their heroism rather than overlwhelming technological superiority.
It is sick enough that they kill indisciminately and without remorse, torture, rape and humiliate but to then claim honor and heroism, c'mon already, what next, beatification and canonization, like Saint Rumsfeld?
Bloody cowards and sadists, one and all, the brave ones refused to go and faced court martial rather than slaughter innocents for Rush Limbaugh's perverted pleasure.
» Oh, I didn't realize there was a Clean War on Earth: Mars?
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Posted by: fairleft on Jun 15, 2006 3:16 PM
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Statement by nine Britons, former prisoners at Guantanamo, on the three suicides there. 6-14-06, at http://www.cageprisoners.com/articles.php?id=14510
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Posted by: codingguy on Jun 15, 2006 3:20 PM
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I do have a problem, though, with this 250,000 or 300,000 dead iraqis figure that keeps getting bandied about. I don't know if the numbers are correct or not; i do know, however, that American troops/actions are only responsible for a fraction of those deaths. Or are we holding America accountable for Iraqis killed by insurgents or other anti-US forces. That would truly be Orwellian, and reminiscent of the charge recently made by Margaret Hassan's family that the coalition is "directly responsible" for her death. Had they said "indirectly responsible" it would have made some semblance of sense, but to label the U.S. directly responsible for her death or for the death of 225,000 killed by insurgents the U.S. is fighting is not only ridiculous, but also patronizingly racist.
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» Add one thing to Fairleft's comment ...
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» RE: Justified or unjustified war, the pictures are the same
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» RE: this was done to unleash WWIII to kill most people on the planet.
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» RE: Justified or unjustified war, the pictures are the same
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Posted by: codingguy on Jun 15, 2006 4:56 PM
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The U.S. has plenty to answer for in terms of its behaviour in iraq, but i don't see why they have to answer for deaths caused by the suicide bombers they're fighting against.
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» who pulls the trigger is important
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» You forgot we started it
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» The game of hiding one's crimes by referring to the crimes of others
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Posted by: DanVorstermans on Jun 15, 2006 8:13 PM
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We know that pictures from Vietnam played a large role in ending that war, and the same thing needs to happen in Iraq. It was reported for the first year or so, but coverage has died out significantly, as if the war has ended, or order and democracy has been acheived!
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Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 15, 2006 8:22 PM
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Joshua Holland will pooh pooh what I'm saying, claim it's disinformation. It's the truth.
If you people want the hard truth on the NeoCONs instead of a watered down partisan Democratic gossip column you should surf Bohemian Grove, check out Bush/Illuminati, research Bush Senior and watch the documentaries I've posted llinks below.
You want the hard, unvarnished truth, listen to Alex Jones on GCN radio.
www.GCNlive.com
Alex Jones documentary: 9/11- Road to Tyranny
HERE
Loose Change II (another fantastic documentary on the Net about 9/11 being an inside job)
HERE
Scholars for 9/11 Truth will answer ALL your questions.
HERE
Alex Jones interview of Charlie Sheen:
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Listen to Alex Jones M-F here at noon and 10 pm EST
HERE
The Franklin Cover-up (how our government leaders are pedophiles who use little boys brought in from Boys Town. A documentary made to be aired on the Discovery Channel but bought off and silenced) HERE
Great Bumper Stickers to help get the word out
HERE
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» What will it take to convince you?
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» i take the Illuminati and raise you one Puppet Master
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Posted by: Arvy on Jun 16, 2006 4:40 AM
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I wonder what would happen if the same money was spent on buying everyone in Iraq something they could use to enhance their lives - a fridge, some medicine, a couple of goats. It would have been cheaper, I suspect, for the American taxpayer and the 'love' would definitely be flowing from East to West by now; "Hey, these Christians mean it when they say they want to make our lives better!"
Instead we gave them Saddam then we removed him and are now trying to give them a more compliant puppet.
The money spent by the American govt. is an investment, investment in future business. The lives lost by Iraqi people/ American soldiers are part of that business investment and a return is expected; a return that the American taxpayer won't ever see and the Iraqi people will definitely never see.
It's Mafia politics. Maybe that's all that politics ever was.
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He sounded like he was talking to himself, but he got louder and was talking to "raghead." He said "Raghead, I'm going to take off your head and have strange sex with it," as he pretended to hold something about the size of a head in his hands and moved it up and down on his lap.
What I contemplated after I dropped him off was that it takes a long time to accomplish constructive social change, and persistent seriousness. Decades of work can be destroyed by inculcating kids with the very bigotry that we have spent so much time and effort raising consciousness about.
It is not patriotism that promotes an unquestioning glorification of the worst instincts that human nature is capable of. It is the opposite of American, because America is a state of mind based on the careful, persistent, courageous and peaceful commitment to be responsible as a member of a community of others who are also constructive.
I really wonder how we can indoctrinate immature young kids into an acceptance of dehumanization and horror, to exult in and get off on war porn, and then expect them to understand the need to transcend bigoty and become mature members of civil society. This is a more serious issue than most people seem ready to face.
I think that the war in Iraq is proving very destructive to the attempt to maintain the American vision. I think war porn is evidence that the US Military is becoming sick and this is a tragedy for the soldiers involved, for communities across America, for America as a whole, for Iraq and for the future
of the world at least for the duration of this century.
If this isn't turned around, we are headed down a dark path
and history may well contemplate the era when America chose to step off the path its Founders envisioned.
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» Our military spends billions learning how to murder civilians
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» Liberal Law and Order
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» Glad you can accept this.
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» Then show it.
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» The reason you saw no Americans?
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The Bloody Shrub - George W. Bush.
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Posted by: nehark on Jun 17, 2006 8:31 AM
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For those of us who can't help looking at this directly and honestly, square in the eye, life is not so easy. We can't brush aside our guilt, and yet, without the rest of you, it's hard to know what action will be most effective. I can go and make a big stink out in front of the White House, maybe set myself on fire or something, but whose attention will that get? Who will care? I'll be branded as another looney-bird, and the genocide in Iraq and in U.S. prison camps will continue. If everyone could look at this honestly and intelligently, and see what I see, without going stark raving mad with guilt, we could DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. As long as you wallow in denial and excuses, I don't see any end to this madness. Come. Join us. We can stop this thing.
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» Accept it? I Luv It!
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» You murderers ARE world terrorism
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» Moi?
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Posted by: electriclady281 on Jun 17, 2006 11:00 AM
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It's also nauseating to think that these soldiers, whose minds have become so twisted, will, if they aren't killed or re-up, be let loose among the population in time. And those who will demonize them will be the ones who support Bushco in the first place when he sends them to an unjust war and when he slashes VA funding.
» IT'S CONGRESS, NOT THE PEOPLE SUPPORTING THE WAR.
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Posted by: Ingarose on Jun 17, 2006 8:16 PM
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But what earthly good will it do, when the Decider still decides and we are mere peons in the game of deadly chess.
The media will never show those pictures because they are controlled by the controller.
Personally I do not know how many people use the internet to get involved. But it must be pretty small. Most people have to eke out a living and they do not have time. Some, like me are too old and are scared by the internet. My sister in law and my best friend do not want to touch that high falluting stuff. Therefore they are on the mercy of the idiotic media.
Never ever did I think that the American media would stoop so low as to only think about the bottom line, death and horror be dammend, we need to make money.
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If our media, including the Left media like New Yorker, Rolling Stone, Vibe, and Esquire as well as the daily press and broadcasts would daily show photos of each body mangled by the terrorists, clearly labelled as such. pressure would grow to end this war once and for all. The hate for Germans and Japanese average citizens had in WWII needs to be tapped against the Sunni Muslims who support thugs who commit daily atrocities. Every Sunni neighborhood in Iraq if need be should be life-free unless these power hungry supremacists cease their war of aggression and torture against the Shia.
The Left cannot cease its support for the murderer and bigot Sadaam Hussein. Its opinion should and does count for nothing. America has to recover the courage of Roosevelt, Churchill and Truman. Enemies need to be exterminated. Those carcasses are a joy to look at.
» Your concern for the Shia is touching if it were not a pure lie
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» You might want to find that elusive honesty thing yourself
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» I trust my dog more than Joshua Holland
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» Duck!
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Posted by: Burton on Jun 21, 2006 10:34 AM
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Damn right I would feel for the person's dignity. Customs goons are war criminals for violating the rights of innocent people. Those who do ought to be put on trial for their war crimes and then publicly hanged!
Wouldn't that be a great episode of the six o'clock news?
On Anniversary of Iraq Invasion, Time to Rethink Anti-War Activism
The Timing Is Ripe for Obama to Make Demands on Israel to Settle for Peace
How Many Mexican Drug War Deaths Can We Attribute to U.S. Pot Laws?




