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Race Is Always Part of the Story

By Robert Jensen, AlterNet. Posted July 25, 2006.


Many white people's accomplishments are made possible, in part, simply because they are white.

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We use terms to label ourselves and others. We struggle over what the terms mean and how they should be applied. But we also define ourselves by the stories we tell. There are two different stories I could tell about myself. Which is true?

Story #1

I was born in a small city in North Dakota, to parents in the lower middle-class who eventually scratched their way to a comfortable middle-class life through hard work. I never went hungry and always had a roof over my head, but I was expected to work, and I did. From the time I started shoveling snow as a kid, to part-time and summer jobs, through my professional career, I worked hard. From the time I was old enough to hold a steady job, I have held one. I was a conscientious student who studied hard and took school seriously. I went to college and did fairly well, taking a year off in the middle to work full-time.

After graduation I worked as a journalist, in non-glamorous jobs for modest wages, working hard to learn a craft. I went on to get a master's degree and returned to work before eventually pursuing a doctorate so I could teach at the university level. I got a job at a major university and worked hard to get tenure. I'm still there today, still working hard.

Story #2

I was born in a small city in North Dakota, to white parents in the lower middle-class who eventually scratched their way to a comfortable middle-class life through hard work. The city I grew up in was almost all white. It was white because the indigenous population that once lived there was either exterminated or pushed onto reservations. It was extremely cold in the winter there, which was okay, people would joke, because it "kept the riff-raff out." It was understood that riff-raff meant people who weren't willing to work hard, or non-white people. The assumption was there was considerable overlap in the two groups.

I was educated in a well-funded and virtually all-white school system, where I was taught a variety of skills, including how to take standardized tests written by and for white people. In those schools my accomplishments were applauded and could be seen as part of a long line of accomplishments of people who looked like me. I mostly studied the history of people who look like me. Indigenous people were mostly a footnote.

I worked in part-time and summer jobs for which I was hired by other white people. One of those jobs was in a warehouse owned by a white man with whom my father did business. In that warehouse, we sometimes hired day labor to help us unload trucks. One of the adult men we hired was Indian. His name was Dave. We called him "Indian Dave." I, along with other white teenage boys working there, called him Indian Dave. We didn't give it a second thought.

I went to college in mostly white institutions. I had mostly white professors. I graduated and got jobs. In every job I have ever had, I was interviewed by a white person. Every boss I have ever had (until my current supervisor, who was hired three years ago) has been white. I was hired for my current teaching position at the predominantly white University of Texas, which had a white president, in a college headed by a white dean, and in a department with a white chairman that at the time had one non-white tenured professor.


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Robert Jensen is a journalism professor at the University of Texas at Austin. He is the author of, most recently, The Heart of Whiteness: Confronting Race, Racism and White Privilege (City Lights Books), from which this essay is excerpted.

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white guilt?
Posted by: chutzpah on Jul 25, 2006 1:43 AM   
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let me sit back and watch your fellow whites eat you raw.

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» Here, here! Posted by: sausage
» RE: white guilt? Posted by: Trane
» Nothing to do with being white Posted by: Bic Pentameter
» It never fails .... Posted by: AdamSelene40
» RE: It never fails .... Posted by: dangerouslysane
» you're right, but Posted by: Bic Pentameter
This doesn't make sense as an argument
Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 25, 2006 2:50 AM   
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You can easily find (and I can find many, many incidents in my life) that the complete opposite is the case (somebody gets a job or opportunity because they fulfill ethnic hiring criteria).

You should get with the modern age. Go to most public sector and large corporate environments (not to mention international organisations) and you will find plenty of people of colour who are earning good money and fulfilling a quota system.

Being white is hardly an advantage or not. Keep in mind that white people are just about the majority, and thus are a dime a dozen. Being white and educated is being plentiful and cheap. Employers are no more likely to give you a break if you are white. Why would they? Do you really believe white employers sit around thinking 'I will hire this really incompetent white guy because he is white'.? If I do a round of interviews, and all the candidates are white but for one person who isn't, and that person is the better candidate, then I would hire them rather than burden myself with a white person who can't do the job.

Wake up to the real world - it is poverty and poor education that blight people's lives, not necessarily race.

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» RE: Connections Posted by: Sushi
» Desire and Circumstances Posted by: Joe Ox
racism and corporations
Posted by: rsaxto on Jul 25, 2006 4:26 AM   
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Racism and corporations and class are largely responsible in the USA for who gets what job and for what pay and for what benefits along with a diminished role for unions. And the military gets to decide who gets sent to Iraq to suffer mightily because they were born poor. This is called American justice and the Bushies like it quite fine so they need to be impeached as the first step toward becoming a real democracy.

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Being White and Male is an Obstacle
Posted by: ChristopherLL on Jul 25, 2006 4:40 AM   
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Being a white male is not so simple as the author suggests. The only way to achieve success in this "buddy system" with other white males is to become like them, think as they do and not make waves. For those white males who promote equality, question authority and do not worship competition the path is frequently a series of obstacles. Women in all positions of power in my experience are immediately suspicious of any male and have begun to form "girl's clubs" similar to the "boy's clubs" they for so long have complained about. It is uncommon for any ethnicity to see me as anyone else other than a white male. When they get to know me that changes but often I never get that chance or it is too late. The opportunities for women and minorities have always been greater than mine, since I began college in 1968. And I have worked since I was in second grade and paid my way throughout life and have two graduate degress. I am currently unemployed. My life has always been dedicated to helping others but as for now in this society that has little value. I do not see successful women helping those less fortunate women (except with rhetoric) and those minorities who achieve wealth and fame do not go back to the communities that are impoverished or neglected. This white man culture is to blame is becoming boring and empty.

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Thanks
Posted by: Uncle Tupelo on Jul 25, 2006 4:52 AM   
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Remember the old saying about being born on third base thinking you've hit a triple?

This piece is set up well -- the first version is the easy one, the story we like to tell ourselves about ourselves, while the second version is the more difficult one, the more contentious one, the one that faces up to the truth and doesn't look away.

I'm a white guy, and not just any white guy but a middle-class WASP from the Midwest, and my life has been full of instances where I've been given opportunities/second chances/the benefit of the doubt because of both who and what I am. And that hurts a little, because I'd like to believe it's been my hard work and dedication that have gotten me where I am today. Thanks for the reminder that that hasn't always been the case.

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» Hey, thank you. Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Thanks Posted by: whitechocolate
More Essays on Silent White Supremacy Among Liberals Posted
Posted by: Pete123 on Jul 25, 2006 5:59 AM   
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Keep reading essays about the need for a national reconciliation of race by this writer at the following three links:

1) http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/%7Erjensen /freelance/whiteprivilege.htm

2) http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/%7Erjensen /freelance/justseeaperson.htm

3) http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/%7Erjensen /freelance/notracist.htm

To link, delete the space before "/freelance". Now it is important to model reconciliaton between rival groups in the US to the rest of the world. The despair lived by Muslim fundamentalists who commit terrorist acts is a mirror image of the problems caused by the race and privilege equation here in this country. If we don't stop denying it exists, this country could become extremely violent if the economy worsens and the black underclass falls into deep and total despair.

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Fresh Thinking
Posted by: Vani on Jul 25, 2006 6:14 AM   
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For whites, understanding the concept of White Privilege is quite a hurdle. It takes quite a bt of abstract thinking in order to position oneself outside this crushing and pervasive reality. It's like the first time as a student, I heard talk of women's work in an introductory Women's Studies class. So ingrained was the idea that gender division of labor was perfectly natural, that I had to think quite a bit before understanding the role that gender specific, unpaid labor plays in modern economies. You have to pull back the world from over your eyes.

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jmarie
Posted by: jmarie on Jul 25, 2006 6:28 AM   
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Race is always part of the story. As a previous post has explained, I think, quotas work in the same way, and as another post put it, white people are a dime a dozen. I'd rather reframe the issue to class. I am familiar with a family like yours... lower middle class who rose up and became middle class. Not all lower middle class people do that, though, for a number of reasons - lack of assimiliation or whatever. Perhaps you have learned to assimiliate or internalize middle class values, and so you had an orthodontist, you learned how to dress well, you learned how to speak well, you are fairly attractive, etc. At a certain point, race is no longer the issue, but rather how well you can imitate those economically more advantaged than you is what is at stake. Rewrite the article with class in mind... I think it could be more convincing... though I do agree with your overall idea.

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ECLECTICIST, S. JIM RODRIGUEZ
Posted by: SJR505 on Jul 25, 2006 6:34 AM   
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THE PUBLICATION OF THIS ARTICLE AGAIN ACKNOWLEDGES THAT WHAT WE CALL "RACISM" IS STILL ALIVE AND WELL...ALTHOUGH I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT RACE AS A DEFINING FACTOR TO KNOWLEDGE, TRUTH, AND FUTURE PERFORMANCE OF INDIVIDUALS, IT IS AN ANTIQUATED CONCEPT AS DELINEATED BELOW :

"An invalid, 18th century concept in my opinion.
It is an evolved worldview, a body of prejudgments that
distorted our ideas about human differences and group
behavior. And, "race'” was modeled after an ancient
theorem of the "Great Chain of Being , " which posited
natural categories on a hierarchy established by God or
nature. Race is an idea that is clearly not true in any
scientific manner or form. "
S. Jim Rodriguez Eclecticist Seeker

MOREOVER, THE SAME OR SIMILAR EXPERINCES WILL BE FELT BY THE EVOLVING "CHICANO / LATINO" WHERE THEY WILL BE THE MAJORITY , PLENTIFUL, EDUCATED, AND AVAILABLE TO FILL JOB POSITIONS THEREBY IMPACTING THE "QUOTA SYSTEM"... REMEMBER, THE SO-CALLED HISPANIC IS A MISNOMER BECAUSE THE LATINO CAN BE CLASSIFIED AS EITHER WHITE, AFRO-, JEWISH-, ETC...DEPENDING ON THEIR FAMILY AFFILIATION...THE ABOVE STATED SCENARIOS IMPLIES THAT THESE SELECTED CHARACTERS ARE FALLING INTO THE SIMILAR PATTERNS AS DEDICATED "WELFARE RECIPIENTS" RELYING ON HANDOUTS...THERE ARE NO MAGIC CARPET RIDES FOR ANY OF US THAT ARE NOT PART OF THE FOUR PERCENT, WEALTHY AMERICANS...THE MANTRA FOR THE LESS THAN WEALTHY IS PICK THAT COTTON, LIFT THAT BALE, AND WORK, WORK AND MORE WORK...ANYTHING LESS THAN WORK, GET ON THE BUS TO JAIL AND/OR THE DESTINATION TO NOWHERE...THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES IN LIFE, UNLESS YOU ARE AN ITEM PURCHASED AT SEARS, WAL-MART, ETC... REMEMBER :
" ...We receive three educations, one from our parents, one from our schoolmasters, and one from the world. The third contradicts all that the first two teach us. Charles Baron de Montesquieu (1689-1755)Philosopher and jurist

S+JIM+RODRIGUEZ+++ECLECTICIST SEEKER+++

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» RE: CLECTICIST, S. JIM RODRIGUEZ Posted by: helenwheels
It's Time to Think Differently
Posted by: humanrevolution on Jul 25, 2006 6:35 AM   
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While I understand where the writer is coming from I would like to add a few points.

First, all of us especially "white" people need to start thinking of each other as human beings first. At its most fundamental level, having differnet color skin is not much different than having different color eyes. The only real differences are A.) the cultural ones which to me is a positive point because it simply makes life more interesting and enjoyable living amoungst different cultures and B.) the ones that we have created causing racism and a whole lot of other negative social constructs.

Second, the writer is trying to apply his social situation to the whole of society, but that is a dangerous mistake. (I will use the writer's use of color for the sake of an example) I grew up in an almost entirely "black" neighborhood and I am "white" not only did I not have some special privilege, but the exact opposite was the case. It is not color so much as perceived difference that causes this discrimination. For example, we all naturally treat people in our family (however you define that) much different than we treat a stranger but aren't all humans family at the most fundamental level? What would happen if we treated each other as such? I am sure I could be accused of being idealist at the moment but think about it. I try my best to live this idea everyday.

Third, (sorry for making this a long post :) the writer towards the end of his article states the common sociologist's theory that while we have some control over our circumstances they are largely determined by our environment. Honestly, I have to say that this idea, while it may have merit usually produces the effect of resignation and dispair. The honest truth is that human beings have the power to change any human environment at any moment. I mean think about it, we have the power to undo any problem or scial construct caused by us because WE created it. That's why the people who DO NOT except this overwelming "product of your environment" idea and instead make the impossible possible are the ones who inspire us all...Gandhi and MLK come to mind here.
I guess the ultimate point I am trying to make is let's not resign ourselves to these decaying social constructs but instead create new ones based on the fact that we are all family. We CAN change reality and I personally believe that many of the people on this site are the ones who have the power to do so.

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There would be no USA if it weren’t for racism.
Posted by: wbblack on Jul 25, 2006 6:41 AM   
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Liberals break me up. On one hand you have the author of this piece with liberal white guilt. On the foot below are the white liberals (the comment folks) who basically want to deny racism or at least believe in their white hearts that racism is no big deal. Racism is everything. There would be no USA if it weren’t for racism.

Racism was created in the USA, actually before it was the USA. It was still a bunch of colonies back then. Read The Road not Taken by Lerone Benett Jr. The article is in the august 1970 issue of Ebony Magazine. It tells the story of how the founding fathers – may be actually the founding fathers’ fathers -- created racism to keep black slaves and white indentured servants from uniting with Native Americans and killing all those powdered wig wearing pieces of crap who came over here and stole the land, committed genocide on the people who lived here, enslaved millions of Africans and forced poor whites to work for free. But once they realized they needed poor whites has a buffer against the Natives and the Africans, they began to pass laws that changed the terms of indentured servitude so the poor whites had a chance to escape form virtual slavery into wage slavery. They also used religion and other forms of ideological control to build “White Supremacy.”

Racism is about class. The ruling class created it to divide the working class and that’s what it is still used for today. It allows for the super exploitation of people with a certain skin shades from all over the world. The capital that the powdered wig wearers used to build the US economy came from the toil and genocide of Africans slaves on land that was stolen from Native Americans. Then genocide was committed upon them.

So yeah Jensen “white people” do have a sort of privilege, but the privilege is what keeps us all oppressed. Not all of us are professors who come from the working class, but who are afraid to use the term, and are willing to write propaganda that denies the supremacy of class in the formation and continuation of racism. For most white working people the knife is 5 inches in our backs, for blacks it’s 7 inches, but we’re all still dying. People like you are no help

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OK what do you suggest?
Posted by: blackinjun on Jul 25, 2006 6:50 AM   
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I appreciate your heart felt confession, but non whites of conscious really need to leave this country. You can keep the negros and the criminals that white supremacy made. (and I'd like for you to keep the xtians who worship the white god jesus too, but that would seriously deplete the exodus).

Instead of starting the war in Iraq, the Republicans and all those who even remotely question what you have written should allow for reparations so we can leave this white man's land. For non whites their only hope of survival here is to be white!!!!

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» RE: OK what do you suggest? Posted by: janakiblum
» RE: OK what do you suggest? Posted by: blackinjun
American blacks and the culture
Posted by: VannaLaRoche on Jul 25, 2006 7:04 AM   
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Jonathan McWhorter--who may be anathema to Alternet's posters, I don't know--pointed out in Losing The Race that there are three things holding back black citizens in America: a black culture that embraces victimization, a definition of "blackness" that is inflexible, arbitrary, and political (i.e., if you don't fully support every black person against "the man," you're an Oreo or an Uncle Tom, not really black, a traitor to your people, got no soul), and a pervasive anti-intellectualism that equates book learning with "trying to be white."

A black graduate student in a lab I worked in said it worked against her all her life--that she either had to defend her intellectual life or be "black like us."

Now it would seem that the rest of America has Gumped itself by electing Bush, a triumph of anti-intellectualism if there ever was one.

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» RE: American blacks and the culture Posted by: Uncle Tupelo
» John McWhorther Posted by: chitownfiloz
Successful blacks
Posted by: VannaLaRoche on Jul 25, 2006 7:14 AM   
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Those who feel no sympathy for the neighborhoods they managed to leave might feel that they got zero support from those communities--and even families, like a grandmother who warns them against "being too uppity."

If a black student trying to get into college is harassed every step of the way by other blacks accusing her of "trying to be white," I would guess that student might feel that she owed her neighborhood nothing. And I would tend to sympathize with her. Or him.

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» RE: Successful blacks Posted by: BlueTigress
TheBlackKnight
Posted by: LoveYourEnemies on Jul 25, 2006 7:39 AM   
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Okay, my lefty multiethnic brothers and sisters....

As a Black man, I've worked hard to get where I am. I've endured taunts from both sides. Spit on by ignorant whites and accused of being "white" by ignorant Blacks. Here's what I see....

I see the rich elite leading the masses by the nose on this issue. Although I will admit that I do see racism in quite a few things, I am inclined to believe that this is merely the fruit of the real problem.

The real problem is classism. The rich folks hate Blacks, Mexicans, and poor white folks. I've seen classism against the poor whites quite a bit down here in Fredericksburg.

The sad part is, we're always told it's a race problem. No, they tell us it's a race problem to keep us divided. Unfortunately, the author has bought into the lie. Jim Webb (the former Reagan-era Sec'y of the Navy who switched to the Democratic Party and is running against the Californian Redneck George Allen) said that if there is a change to affirmative action to include more ethnicities, then the changes should also include underprivileged whites as well.

I totally agree. I've heard of white people being turned down for jobs because their accent is too Southern or because they don't have the best clothes. They suffer from low expectations just as much as any other group. As a matter of fact, I believe that they are more despised than Blacks (because of the reasons the author of this article wrote about). They have the genetic advantage, but not the educational or economic advantage.

My point is this. We need to quit being sidetracked by the rich (mostly Republican) elite insinuating that the problem is solely based on race. The real problem is economic. Those who have attained power will do anything to protect it, including using fear and hatred to divide those who can overthrow them.

Let's not fall for the crap. Let's stop the cries of racism and the race-baiting. We're in this together. We've got corporations running our government and making money off of the blood of our husbands, wives, brothers, sisters, sons and daughters. We've got corrupt politicians getting their palms greased by selfish CEOs who will not think twice about taking a job away from an American of any race to make a profit through the use of cheap, slave labor in a third world country sweat shop.

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Neither of these stories is true.
Posted by: richardpmendola on Jul 25, 2006 7:52 AM   
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Both are simplifications. Both are shadows drawn from the real complexity. From what I have seen of your writing in a few articles on this site, you lack both face and force. Leonard Pitts seems to me twenty times the journalist you are.

Am I a bigot? There is no one answer to that. There are no two or three answers. How do I feel about college professors? Several are among the outstanding men and women I have known. Many others have been a mix of arrogance, incompetence, and credentials. Most are merely ok. But as regards any given professor, the next person might disagree entirely with me.

We struggle on, all of use in our diverse ways.

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heh
Posted by: daniel1982 on Jul 25, 2006 8:21 AM   
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Race Is Always Part of the Story

And if not - you'll certainly make it.

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Imagine a revised subtitle
Posted by: sweetlou on Jul 25, 2006 8:28 AM   
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Many black people's failures are made possible, in part, simply because they are black...

Probably wouldn't fly, would it? So why the eagerness to define whites via a racist filter? Poverty impacts us all, and limits choices for all. All cultures should be working to end poverty, create opportunities, and embrace what makes us all unique. Medical science, for example, now has different treatment protocols for African Americans becase they have recognized that we are, in fact, different from one another. We all need to move beyond the black/white box because it distracts from the reality of the modern world.

"...Many white people's accomplishments are made possible, in part, simply because they are white..."

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So I'm supposed to feel guilty?
Posted by: nosylae on Jul 25, 2006 8:32 AM   
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Hold on there buddy - you conveniently forgot that the reason "blacks" are called minorities is because they only make up about 12 - 15% of the USA population.

Just because you lived in a predominantly white town and got hired by mostly white people (who were probably all men, but that's an article damning all men to hell just because they were born male and have an inherent advantage over women) doesn't automatically make all them white folk racist or give you a so-called advantage. It's called the Law of Averages. Yeah racism, classism, genderism (is that even a word?) exists, but by pure numbers, nothing will ever be "equal."

By the way, I guess those people in that North Dakota town never heard of Buffalo, NY, where the wicked cold winter lasts about 7 months and there are more non-whites than whites. However, I don't know about the riff-raff population.

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Help my academic career!
Posted by: ra.hoor on Jul 25, 2006 8:53 AM   
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Could someone please tell me how to find a person with white skin? I have looked and looked and looked, and all I see are people with various hues of pinkish, tan, orangish, yellowish and brownish skin. As an anthropologist, I would love to be the first to discover a human with white skin. I would also love to be the first to discover a new human race, since so far we only know of one in existence (and no, it's not the one Lance won 7 times in a row). Please, anyone that can provide me this information, I need tenure fast!

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» silver poisening Posted by: Lauren
On race, class, and economics
Posted by: chitownfiloz on Jul 25, 2006 9:00 AM   
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It would be difficult to argue with those who have suggested that problems in this country stem more class than race. Especially when one considers the gross and continual increases in wealth concentration, the assault on progressive public policy for the poor, the steady rise of oligopolies (all issues that can be read about here) -- it's clear that classism is an ugly force in America. However, to say that class should be the issue of focus does not take race off the hotseat. As a few have indicated above, race and class are tightly bound up together in this country and I think that the author of the original article is onto this by claiming that, by and large, white people are (willfully) ignorant of their white privilege and that, as such, the mechanisms that make it easier for white people to be upwardly class mobile and those that make it more difficult for people of color to be so mobile continue to be ignored and reinscribed. Since the very day Martin Luther King, Jr. was shot and killed, while the Black middle class has increased, the Black poverty rate is almost exactly the same. That tells us clearly that even while the Civil Rights Era opened important doors of opportunity to people of color, it's still a real bitch to live at the intersection of Black and Poor in America. Sure, it's a bitch to be white and poor in America, too. But the fact that no one is going to fail to consider you for a job because of your race, no one is going to deny you an apartment because you're Black (oftentimes detected over the phone by landlords), and you'll be less likely to be criminalized in school than your poor Black schoolmates, (and so we could go on), means that, while having to fight the elitism and classism in American society, poor whites have the advantage of significantly fewer hurdles in their way than non-whites. When the number of CEOs and political power players who are Black is representative of the Black population, when the day comes that you're not twice or three times as likely to be born into poverty if you're born Black in America, then I'll say that the problems are all about class and classism. Until that day, it seems obvious to me that race and class are inextricably tied together.

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It's not about "white guilt"
Posted by: owleyes on Jul 25, 2006 9:02 AM   
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I identify with this story a lot. I've had a lot of second chances in my life. If my parents had not been upstanding, well-off, well-known, well-connected white folks, I would not have been so lucky. People who say "enough already with the white guilt" really stump me. I have no idea how to respond to that, except that I don't feel guilty. I just see what's obviously true.

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» the way I deal with it Posted by: Lauren
It goes both ways
Posted by: BlueTigress on Jul 25, 2006 9:02 AM   
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My husband was the first in his family to go to college. He was having trouble at college and heard there were programs to help first generation sutdents. he went to the Dean of his college, a black man, who told him he could not get assistance. The implication was "You're white, how can you possibly be the first."

And while we're at it, how come no one is complaining about the negative stereotypes of Italian-Americans? It's permitted and anyone who complains is told they're being too sensitive and they should lighten up.

And I got a good dose of the white guilt at my husband's college graduation in 1986. The speaker was a black woman with a very cultivated speaking style who apparently majored in Third World studies. Rather than telling the graduating class that they've finished, good job, we were told shame on you see how these Third World people suffer so you can live well. Granted there was a grain of truth to her statements, but consider the venue. This was Michigan State University's College of Communications, not social work.

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WHile you are whining
Posted by: hmmm? on Jul 25, 2006 9:20 AM   
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and sitting at home typing how white people keep you down and make black men not stay as fathers and make black kids listen to rap and breathe in a culture that objectifies women and demeans education and make black teens walk and talk like gangsters and ho's even at job applications and eat at mcdonalds every day of the week and not vote and not take individual responsibility for educating yourself and not got to public libraries and not pay attention at school and on and on and on -your "black" peers that are from Haiti and Nigeria etc. are working hard, going to school, having 2 parent families, and saving their money for homes and succeeding and putting the lie to your notions of oppression and white guilt. why do you think all successful black people become conservatives (Rice, Thomas, Powell, Cosby, Barkley) etc.? Because they know that it was hard work that got them where they are and not a hand up! they know that they had to drop the "poor me im black" attitude real quick if they were going to succeed. its a lesson well learned.

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» They're stereotypes for a reason Posted by: sirossisofliver
That's nice
Posted by: GEM-592 on Jul 25, 2006 9:21 AM   
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* sigh * -- it's hard to refute the argument that the circumstances one is born into, all of them, have an influence on one's prospects. As a white man, I can't say that I consider the recognition of this by another as exactly profound. Since you apparently just recently woke up, I have this : As an activist against institutionalized racism, know that your enemies are well-entrenched and come in all shapes and sizes, worldwide. I think that choosing to combat the status-quo from the inside amounts to trying to expose such persons, ultimately to extract a financial toll, without destroying yourself in the process. However, balancing this with the job itself, family, etc. becomes more complicated in time. More effective is to seek employment with only those who have a proven record of providing only merit-based advancement, and to accept only such advancement yourself. However, upon witnessing a violation of this policy you are faced with demanding a correction, resigning, or again working to expose the persons involved. Or, try doing a stint outside the US to get some perspective. Obviously, other countries have had comparable issues for centuries, and while some have made no apparent progress, many have simply adapted in a way that I can't imagine many US corporations doing.

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Race is not most important
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Jul 25, 2006 9:42 AM   
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Of course race makes a difference, but not as much difference as income level. Racial disadvantage is only among people of the same or higher income lrvrl. Does anyone honestly believe that the descendents of a rich black person will be at a disadvantage against a poor white person? Is there a person so naive as to believe that Condi Rice's relatives are at a disadvantage if she pulls for them?

I'm not minimizing racial inequality it exists. There is a natural tendency to help our own kind it is instinct. A powerful black person is just as likely to favor a black person as a white is a white.

The sooner whites and blacks recognize that wealth discrimination is the more powerful discrimination the sooner we'll unite to combat it.

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myopia knows no color...
Posted by: percipi22 on Jul 25, 2006 9:46 AM   
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I watched Tom Brokaws "Seperate but Equal" the 23rd. Granted rasicm is part of the story, sometimes racism inside a culture, African American against darker colored, Native American against other tribal members, now we see legal immagrents against illegals but the root of it all is classiscm.
Social Darwinism is everywhere....we are little more than animals choosing a pecking order, heirarchy when we decide to disenfranchise another so we can step on them. Women the elderly, and now children are at the bottom.

I resent the implication that Blacks don't help eachother in his report, that Black men are less than. His use of under class has shades of Nazi use of "untermensch". lower human. As if.

The rich and powerful find it easier to write a check and write it off than look at the base they stand on or the pyramid they climbed up and think...did I force someone down to get here.

Brokaw could have done his story in any rural white area, any urban hispanic area, any Native area and gotten the same story where they would be characterized as unable, period. Read the other alternet story, It Costs to be Poor and put whatever race you want in the blanks. Same story and the rich powerful pundits want us all to blame ourselves and the other disenfranchised rather than demand change in a feudal economic system.

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"Hard work" or privilege?
Posted by: anniedine on Jul 25, 2006 10:14 AM   
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Nothing is more telling of the state of mind around privilege than to read the bleating comments challenging Jensen’s post. It’s a pretty simple premise: some people get significant breaks in life, then attribute their good fortune to “hard work.” Notice how many times Jensen uses that phrase? Count ‘em – he’s using the words that all privileged people use to tell themselves that they are different from those who have to go without. The fact remains that skin color, gender, and socioeconomic class are, in large part, determinative of where you end up in the hierarchy of human beings. Jensen is merely reminding us: in the U.S., one’s race can be a significant advantage or disadvantage.

Notably, he doesn’t say “in all circumstances” – he gives us an honest portrait to contemplate and a useful mirror for each of us to ponder whether our “hard work” would have gotten us where we are if we were a different gender, color, or class. What results from such contemplation is not guilt (guilt comes from choice; I didn’t choose my race, socioeconomic class at birth, or gender). Thinking about how I and other people got where we are in life (including whether we really did “work hard”) gives us greater understanding of the human condition and perhaps some well-deserved humility and gratefulness.

Or you can be like GW Bush and his ilk, the very model of the arrogant privileged American, swaggering about with no humility and no clue.

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It's about Class
Posted by: mite on Jul 25, 2006 10:41 AM   
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I grew up in foster homes and institutions living and developing my personality within cultures not races. I found many good people and a few bad ones.
In my many different neighborhoods in Chicago- southside, westside, and nw-side I went to school with many gangs, Blackstones, Disciples, Latin Kings, etc. I had to fight every day as a white boy- but my foster parents of all nationalities showed me love and concern. Don't get me wrong I had my share of abuse (sexual, mental, and physical) but I never really saw RACISM until I went into the military in 1967.
You see in my travels through-out this world I saw that its not about racism it is about class, wealth, and power. If these elite forces can continue to keep us focused on our differences, we do not have a chance to focus on them- surrounded by their secrecy.
If you really think about it- is not war really about all of us fighting the RICH mans war for his/her wealth. I have not meet anyone who fought incountry in the rice patty, mud and guts who really enjoyed it, unless they were trained and conditioned by the governments.
We the people of this country and the world are at war, these elite declared war against us in 1913 with the passage of the income tax and federal reserve acts.

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» RE: It's about Class Posted by: outsidea
Does white privledge = white supremacy?
Posted by: YogiBear on Jul 25, 2006 11:44 AM   
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You lost me at: "in a white-supremacist society."

White supremacy is a racist ideology which holds that the white race is superior to other races. This is a far cry from white privledge, in which people of certain attributes get further than others because they aren't judged as harshly by the people who do hold bigoted beliefs within our society, and due to the degree of comfort that many feel amongst others of their own race, sex and orientation.

In order for our society to be white supremacist, one would have to prove that a majority of whites in positions of power held those racist beliefs. Whereas it only takes a minority of the privledged to exert an undue influence on the majority of the underprivledged.

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Educated Success Really Due to Education
Posted by: Joe Ox on Jul 25, 2006 11:49 AM   
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This is hypothetical, it does not represent my life at all but here goes...

I (white male)was raised by educated parents. In high school I excelled in math and chemistry, and I got a job in a local refinery testing samples in the lab. The boss was a PhD chemist. I made a lot more then my white friends who were working at burger joints.
I went to college and earned a PhD in Chemical Engineering. My forst job, I was hired by a PhD Chemical Engineer. My first promotion had me a manager of staff, all engineers, my boss was pHD chemist.
After 25 years of promotions, I was the president of the company. I now hire engineers and chemists.
Being an engineer is really why I succeeded, not because of hard work.

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Meritbullcrap
Posted by: ClearThought on Jul 25, 2006 12:42 PM   
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