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Now, What About Cheney?

By John Nichols, TheNation.com. Posted June 14, 2006.


It's disappointing that Karl Rove won't be indicted for his role in the CIA leak case -- but now we must push to learn what the Vice-President knew.

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Now that the long speculation about whether White House political czar Karl Rove would be indicted for the role he played in exposing the identity of a CIA operative is done, perhaps the investigation of the Bush administration "hit" on Iraq War critic Joe Wilson can focus in on the fundamental questions that have been raised by the machinations of key players in the administration with the apparent goal of punishing a former diplomat for exposing White House misstatements and misdeeds.

The attention to Rove's involvement in the effort to reveal the identity of Wilson's wife, veteran Central Intelligence Agency operative Valerie Plame -- after Wilson, a former ambassador, revealed that key players in the Bush administration had to have know that elements of their "case" for attacking Iraq had been discredited -- was always something of a distraction.

Of course, as David Corn and others have ably illustrated, Rove's actions demanded scrutiny. But the fury that so many Democrats feel toward Rove caused them to obsess on the question of whether he would be indicted, rather than to recognize that the critical indictment was that of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff and a key advisor to President Bush on national security matters.

It is Libby who faces trial in January 2007 on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice. And it is Libby, the Cheney confidante, who connects this scandal to his boss in a way that Rove, the Bush confidante, was unlikely ever to have connected it to his boss. Thus, from the time of Libby's indictment, the question that always mattered most was not: Will special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald indict Rove? It was always: Will Fitzgerald connect the dots that lead to Cheney?

No top office within the administration was better positioned than Cheney's to gather the information that was used to attack Wilson and his wife and to peddle that information to the press. In fact, as Joe Wilson told me in an interview about the leaking of his wife's name that we did early in 2004, "With respect to who actually leaked the information, there are really only a few people -- far fewer than the president let on when he said there are a lot of senior administration officials -- who could have done it. At the end of the day, you have to have the means, the keys to the conversations at which somebody might drop my wife's name -- deliberately or not -- a national security clearance, and a reason to be talking about this. When you look at all that, there are really very few people who exist at that nexis between national security and foreign policy and politics. You can count them, literally, on two hands."

Wilson added that, without a doubt, "the vice president is one of those people."

We now know just how right Wilson was. Libby has been indicted. And that documents related to that indictment are filled with references to meetings with Cheney on the very day that Libby began calling reporters as a part of a push to discredit Wilson. We have a copy of a column Wilson wrote for The New York Times with notes from Cheney attacking the former ambassador and making reference to his wife. We have transcripts of Libby saying that he acted with "approval from the President through the Vice President" when he distributed previously classified information -- specifically, portions of a National Intelligence Estimate regarding Saddam Hussein's purported efforts to develop nuclear weapons -- to the media as part of the move to discredit Wilson.

At this point, it is unclear whether Fitzegerald will see his investigation through to its logical conclusion. But there can be no question that, with Rove off the hook, the administration and its media echo chamber will be doing everything in their power to constrain the special counsel. The White House wants this inquiry shut down.

But shutting it down now would prevent an examination of what Representative Maurice Hinchey, D-New York, correctly refers to "the heart of the CIA leak case."

Hinchey leads a group of several dozen House members who have urged Fitzgerald to officially expand his investigation to include an examination of the motives behind the leaks by Libby, focusing in particular on the question of whether the administration's intent was to discredit Ambassador Wilson's revelation that Iraq had never sought uranium from Niger or other African countries. If that is proven to be the case, Hinchey has argued, "President Bush and other top members of his administration knowingly lied about uranium to the Congress, which is a crime."

The New York congressman, who is the most determined Congressional watchdog with regard to the administration's misuse of intelligence information, was never one of those who waited for the Rove shoe to drop. After the April revelation that Cheney's former chief of staff said he was authorized to go after Wilson by the president and vice president, Hinchey said:

"If what Scooter Libby said to the grand jury is true, then this latest development clearly reveals yet again that the CIA leak case goes much deeper than the disclosure of a CIA agent's identity to the press. The heart and motive of this case is about the deliberate attempt at the highest levels of this administration to discredit those who were publicly revealing that the White House lied about its uranium claims leading up to the war. The Bush Administration knew that Iraq had not sought uranium from Africa for a nuclear weapon, yet they went around telling the Congress, the country, and the world just the opposite. When Ambassador Joseph Wilson, Valerie Wilson's husband, publicly spoke out with proof that the administration was not telling the truth on uranium, the administration engaged in an orchestrated plot, which now reportedly includes President Bush, to discredit Ambassador Wilson and dismiss any notion that they had lied about pre-war intelligence."
As Hinchey has argued for months, Libby's testimony about the authorization he received from Bush and Cheney must be seen in the context of a mounting body of evidence that rules, regulations and laws were bent far beyond the breaking point by the administration. The fact that Karl Rove has not been indicted does not eliminate that body of evidence. Nor does it resolve questions about Cheney's involvement in the scandal, or about the motivations of the president, the vice president and others who sought to discredit Ambassador Wilson for telling the truth. And it ought not serve as an excuse for shutting down an inquiry that has yet to examine "the heart of the CIA leak case."

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Cheney Must Be Removed From Power
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jun 14, 2006 3:39 AM   
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Here's the deal: When the democrats regain control of the House and Senate in December (Oh please! Oh please! Oh please!), they're going to find themselves in the same predicament they found themselves in way back in 1973. By the end of the summer of that year, It was obvious to everyone that Richard M. Nixon was up to his ears in impeachable offences. All they had to do was impeach the hideous bastard, right? No problem!

Problem.

Nixon's veep was the man who put the "vice" in the vice-presidency; A contemptable political hack named Spiro Agnew. Impeaching Nixon and putting Agnew in power was as disturbing a thought as....well....impeaching Bush and putting Cheney in power. But then in October Agnew was indicted for taking bribes while governor of Maryland and promptly submitted his resignation. From that point on, Tricky Dick's presidency was toast and jelly. The fact that Agnew was replaced by a relative moderate named Gerald R. Ford made matters all the easier (Note: there used to be such a thing as a "moderate" republican).

Trust me on this one kiddies: The Valerie Plame/Joe Wilson/Scooter Libby affair is only the tip of a really nasty iceberg with respect to our esteemed VP. Don't expect the dirty little son-of-a-bitch to have the essential decency of Agnew and resign (I can't believe I just wrote that last sentence). It'll take an act of congress to remove him. His roll in getting the US to invade Iraq under false pretences is reason enough to get him out of there. He should be rotting in federal prison.

I'm so tired of these people.

Pray for peace.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
http://tomdegan.blogspot.com/

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» What's Your Program? Posted by: feller
» Hey there, young Feller! Posted by: Tom Degan
» RE: What's Your Program? Posted by: douglashoyt
» Allegations are not facts Posted by: feller
» RE: What's Your Program? Posted by: outsidea
» RE: What's Your Program? Posted by: feller
» RE: What's Your Program? Posted by: Slmncty
TO HECK W/ WHAT CHENEY KNEW ABOUT THE LEAK-- WHAT ABOUT 9/11?
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 14, 2006 3:39 AM   
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Cheney and all the neoCONs need to be hauled into court for their clever plan to take down the Twin Towers and Building 7, to bomb the Pentagon with a missile and to deceive the American people about a fourth Boeing plane.

These people are all gangsters. All of them. Just criminals and gangsters. 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB IF EVER THERE WAS ONE.

Cheney was probably at the top in coming up with that evil plan, but probably did it with George Bush the First and Shrub went along for the ride as the PR man.

They are all guilty. And for the torture and for building concentration camps that they plan on putting people like me and you in real soon now.

And for all their other wicked crimes, which maybe we can torture them and find out what they did. Not really. But we can them some truth serum, maybe?

We'll find out no matter what. They will probably all squeel on each other once they know they're all in big trouble. They will all be standing there pointing fingers at each other.

America, get a bumper sticker that says IMPEACH BUSH. Ultimately the buck stops at his desk. Then get some more that say

9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB/OUR NATION IS IN PERIL

Keep the yellow ribbons just where they are.

Let's get these Nazis out of our government, and while we're at it let's throw out most of their judges and let's clean house. Start over with some new people, some decent people, that believe in the Constitution.

Our whole system is crawling with vipers and traitors.

New people. New people in our government. The system is good. The people are bad.

And America needs a revival . We need to repent of our wicked sins -- our baby murder for 33 years, for turning our backs on God. We need to shut off our television sets and pick up our Bibles.

WWIII is about to begin . [Ray McGovern said on Alex Jones the neoCONs will invade end of June, beginning of July] The neoCONs are going to invade Iran and nuke it. We have no friends in the world anymore -- I mean NO FRIENDS. We have many enemies who hate us, and well they should. We are going to get nuked off the planet.

Warn, warn, warn. Repent, and pray. Who knows? Maybe we can delay the New World Order for another 10 or 20 years. These gangsters are already griding their teeth and chomping on the bit that their plans are way behind schedule. But now it looks like it all will happen according to their dreams and our worst nightmare.

Please, America. Do something before it's too late!

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What A Waste
Posted by: feller on Jun 14, 2006 4:11 AM   
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Cheney didn't like Wilson and Plame. They don't like him. They are all stubborn people. For this millions needs to be wasted? These special prosecutors, regardless of party, are all prima donnas who basically deal with political gossip and trivia. it was true when they went after the sleazy Clinton, it is true when they go after the power hungry Cheney. Fire the prosecutor and donate the saved money to Legal Aid.

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» RE: What A Waste Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: What A Waste Posted by: lively56
No Ken Starr
Posted by: Urstrly on Jun 14, 2006 4:36 AM   
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As far as I can see, the best thing about Fitzgerald is that he's not Ken Starr. Disappointing as it was to see Rove walk away, I assume that Fitzgerald was convinced he had no charges against him that would stick. I keep hoping there's a payoff for such careful investigation, that somewhere in there is the evidence that will finally put a stop to Bush and Cheney's disregard for the Constitution and contempt for anyone who gets in their way. They, after all, are our elected, and impeachable, officers. IMO, Democrats should quit quaking around Rove and get to work.

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» RE: No Ken Starr sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
» RE: No Karl Rove case? Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
» RE: No Karl Rove case? Posted by: Lincoln fan
What did bush etc know abut 9 11 sickofsleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Jun 14, 2006 4:53 AM   
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On September 11 as I watched people jump to their deaths from tall buildings to avoid incineration, and later running screaming for their lives in the streets as those same buildings collapsed like houses of cards, I kept asking,where is our fearless leader? Bush postured as Der Fuehrer before, Where the hell was he, drunked out on the bed or cowering in terror Under the bed of AF1? I wondered even more when I learned he crow-hopped from Florida to a Louisana AFB, then to NORAD in Colorado Springs and from there to SAC Hq in Omaha. Even later I was told due to a problem AF1 was out of communication while all this was going down. Hooey, didn't anybody on board have a cell phone or wasn't any of those places in touch with the world? Now that the conspiracy theories are coming out, there is a sinister answer, All those were "standing down", while the air traffic controllers were frantically trying to report planes going astray. Folks I don't believe in coincidences and that is one big coincidence that the terrorists struck just at the time Norad et al were standing down If you do I will put you in touch with a seller of a prime lot in New Orleans 9th ward.

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Not 9/11, Not the Leak
Posted by: Kate_24 on Jun 14, 2006 5:14 AM   
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I can see where all your arguments come from. And I am tempted to agree with most of them. Yet, the Fitzgerald investigation could always only be directed at the leak itself. That's where the crime allegedly lies. And it points at a deepening chasm between the White House and the CIA.

While I also believe that it is true that 9/11 has not yet been investigated adequately, I think that drawing a connection between 9/11 and the Wilson-Plame affair is a little far-fetched. Besides, the leak investigation has already been misused for too many partisan reasons. Don't begin misusing it for 9/11. I think there's more damage done therewith than good.

In addition, from all that has happened since, the most exigent question should not concern the leak, but what has led to it: willfully misrepresented reasons for the Iraq war and the administration's misuse of intelligence - and who is to be held accountable for that. That, however, seems to be a question no-one wants to asked.

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Have not you figured it out?
Posted by: douglashoyt on Jun 14, 2006 5:30 AM   
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Fitzgerald is a shill, just like Kerry was a shill.

I am not going to unwrap the connections for you. You will have to do some homework yourselves.

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resistance6 et al.
Posted by: mokidugway on Jun 14, 2006 6:21 AM   
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Sorry to be so off topic, but I can't help but notice that conspiracy theorists have swamped these boards lately, poisoning what is an otherwise pleasant and often informative exchange about topical issues with their sinister and paranoid vision of the world.

Sadly, much about the Bush/Cheney administration inspires such theories. Bush and the neocons did profit from the attacks on 9/11. They exploited them mercilessly to forward a preconceived agenda that included the invasion of Iraq and the restructuring of the tax code that led to a large-scale transfer of wealth from the public to the private sector.

That does not mean Bush and Cheney were behind the attacks. If I pick up a dollar bill on the subway, that does not mean I woke up that morning planning to deprive the small child who dropped it of some candy. Events can be exploited and used to one's advantage. That Bush has done so with 9/11--as well as failing better to appreciate the warnings of an impending terrorist attack--is bad enough. It is worse that he would use national hysteria over security to con Americans into the invasion of a defenseless country. For the latter, he should be impeached.

But I'm sorry. I can't believe that the president of the United States would order an attack on New York and Washington D.C. Call me crazy--and you will--but that's ridiculous.

Resistance6 in particular bothers me. On another thread, some posters were surprised by his anti-choice stance. I am not. His views closely approximate those of the Christian Identity movement, whose followers are extremely racist and anti-Semitic in addition to being paranoid and militant. Most terrorist acts planned and perpetrated in the United States over the last 40 years comes from followers of this movement.

I am not sure if he identifies himself as a member of this movement or just coincidentally shares many of the same beliefs--or, for that matter, is just some bored graduate student having a good laugh at everyone's expense. And really, it doesn't matter. He's free to believe and say what he wishes. But he is not worth arguing with. His mind is closed.

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» RE: resistance6 et al. Posted by: outsidea
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» On if Resistance6 is a Subversive Posted by: resistance6
» RE: resistance6 et al. Posted by: resistance6
Just filling in
Posted by: bg41 on Jun 14, 2006 6:33 AM   
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Since cry0fan hasn't shown up yet, I thought I'd keep his streak alive.



WHAT ABOUT UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE??


It just wouldn't be an Alternet forum without it. :)

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Don't hold your breath
Posted by: sausage on Jun 14, 2006 7:04 AM   
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Patrick Fitzgerald most likely was bribed by the administration with a federal judgeship to drop the Rove investigation. I don't expect anything will happen to Cheney, either. Scooter Libby, like a good soldier, has fallen on his sword to save his bosses. I don't expect Scooter to do much, if any, jailtime.

The First Amendment right to redress the government for grievances in this country is dead. What a grand hoax the administration played on us all. Imagine an "honest" Republican, and Republican-appointed, US Distric Attorney, Fitzgerald, toppling the most corrupt administration in our history. Haw! Jokes on us, folks.

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Just Hold Your Nose (Pt 1)
Posted by: pelle_in_goal on Jun 14, 2006 7:39 AM   
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Douglashoyt is right on target.

Talked to a favorite tout at Chicago's Maywood Park Harness Track last year about the odds on Karl Rove being indicted by "local" US Attorney Pat Fitzgerald. He gave me a rather Runyonesque answer: "The biggest scumbags get old Chicago prosecutors to be their defense attorneys" he said. "Crooks around here know their best defense is that 'it takes one to know one'." All I could do was shake my head and move the conversation along.

There's been not a breath of life in the Rove/Plame/Wilson "Affair" since day last October, if then. When Bob Woodward came forward to pawn off "obstruction of justice" as "journalism," I knew the fix was in. Dems also knew that the "fix" was in when the Justice Dept. "gamed" the system by appointing Pat Fitzgerald.

Fitzgerald -- after all -- made a reputation by helping to put Wise Guys like John Gotti and "The Dog's Hind Leg" of The Land of Lincoln -- George "Horse's Ass" Ryan -- in Federal prison. Ryan was racketeering so brazenly he was literally "selling" transplant organs by the time the Feds dropped the hammer on him.

Still...what makes people think Fitzgerald is not what his past says he should be? Here's a link to an article that's been all but overlooked from the University of Chicago Law School Magazine in June, 2005:

http://www.law.uchicago.edu/news/stoneepstein-patriot.html

Chicago Magazine wrote an overreachingly fawning article on "Fitzy" when he arrived in Chicago in 2002 to head the team prosecuting Governor George Ryan. If you want a look:

linked text

Fitzgerald is a brave but careful man -- fighting crime for the sake of truth justice and the American way. Lives in a secret lair becasue the mob wants to rub him out. But if Fitzgerald is so careful -- and that includes NOT voting in state primaries -- then why would he appear in front of members of two very right-wing, Republican loyalist groups to debate the PATRIOT Act?

Because he's been a loyal Republican who got the job as US Attorney for Northern Illinois after being nominated by a Republican in the Illinois Senate. He was chosen by the Bush White House precisely because the GOP was in such shit shape in Illinois that the Repugnicans needed a man they could trust.

Impeccibly.

I.E., A man who wasn't from Chicagoland -- or even Illinois. A US Attorney who'd come into the job with a few degrees of separation. That was the advantage the GOP needed once the Feds wrapped up the case against Ryan and his cronies. No outright appearance of partisanship on the GOP's part was necessary; besides, "Fitzy" would know when to stop. The guy worked for Rudy Guiliani for Christ's sake! Fitzgerald worked for a great teacher with the know-how to stop Federal probes of various insundry GOP money changers on a thin dime -- give change -- and move on well before a litany of massive corruption cases could bring down the entire GOP.

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Just Hold Your Nose (Pt 2)
Posted by: pelle_in_goal on Jun 14, 2006 7:50 AM   
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(cont'd)

So we can forget about Cheney EVER being brought up on charges. Period.

Fitzgerald is your "rainy day Republican." I don't doubt that he has integrity and has a justified reputation for doing excellent prosecutatory work. But it sure looks like he has ties to The Federalist Society -- and that tobacco, auto, insurance and anti-environmental lobby conglomerate known as the Heartland Society. These folks are agents provacateur propagating convoluted "junk science" reasoning, with an agenda best represented by pushing for "ideological" appointees over experts in their fields, and lots of money to set up bogus "greenbelt" organizations as fronts to eviscerate the EPA. Heartland is one big lobby where "the enemy is regulation."

I'm not cynical enough to claim that Fitzgerald may be a "mole" in the Federal justice system -- anointed by Federalists who make sure judgeships and Federal prosecutors stay right-wing by occasionally fronting an honest man. But many things DO point in that direction. Certainly it's not unethical to be someone who earned the public's trust by going after "bad guys." And it's quite legal to create an image of non-partisanship by making sure that Republicans the party can no longer afford are put away. Fitzgerald could be counted on to do the dirty work with the least amount of fallout or political "blowback." He's just a guy doing his -- albeit slightly partisan -- job. "Partisan" -- as in -- he could even be a Democrat!

That's why I think Fitzgerald was legally "sheep-dipped" for use in the Plame leak investigation. The investigation may still be "on-going" BUT it will never get past the perjury and obstruction of justice stage. If it does, the Busheviks and the rest of the GOP have a loyalist in place they know won't be opening any damning, sealed indictments until after the November elections

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I THOUGHT YOU GUYS WERE AGAINST THE NEOCONS! AM I ON THE WRONG FORUM?
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 14, 2006 1:33 PM   
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Don't stereotype me as a Christian Identity/AntiSemite or some kind of Nazi. The opposite. I hate the Nazis and I love the Jews. Jesus was a Jew and so were all his disciples. I am a bit of a Zionist actually. I believe Israel is indestructible. God's hand is on Israel, and anyone who tries to defeat it will not prevail.

That doesn't mean I think we should be charging in and provoking war with Iran or Iraq with Shock and Awe and nukes. We have no business being over there at all. It's a wicked crime what we're doing to the Iraqis and to the planet. I understand the depleted uranium is now in the jet stream.

I'm not the only one who thinks 9/11 was an inside job. Zogby's latest poll says half the American people think the same thing.

Controlled demolition is obvious to discern to anybody with one good eye, let alone two. Anybody has to be in serious denial to convince himself what we saw with our own eyes was anything but controlled demolition. Buliding 7 was not hit by anything at all and it still fell faster than the speed of gravity.

And as far as being militant, the only thing I recommend in that regard is to put a bumper sticker on your car that says IMPEACH BUSH and

9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB/OUR NATION IS IN PERIL. Alex Jones calls it INFOWARS.

I figure if America just wakes up and lets the neoCONs know that we know who they are and what they did, that our Congress will take heart. Public opinion is a mighty force in and of itself.

So don't believe rumors that I am trying to start a violent uprising against our government or that I belong to some hate cult or Christian identity movement. (actually, I do hate the New World Order and the Illuminati. It's pure evil.)

I listen to Alex Jones if that tells you anything. Alex Jones just travelled to Ottawa and told the Bilderbergs off through a bullhorn. He's been fighting the New World Order since he was 20 and he's only 32. I just discovered him recently on GCN radio online, and he's the smartest, most interesting persona I've ever encountered in the meda, bar none.

Listen in. It's GCN Radio online (link below).

Here's some interesting links:


Alex Jones documentary: 9/11- Road to Tyranny
HERE

Loose Change II (another fantastic documentary on the Net about 9/11 being an inside job)
HERE

Scholars for 9/11 Truth will answer ALL your questions.
HERE

Alex Jones interview of Charlie Sheen:
HERE

Listen to Alex Jones M-F here at noon and 10 pm EST
HERE


The Franklin Cover-up (how our government leaders are pedophiles who use little boys brought in from Boys Town. A documentary made to be aired on the Discovery Channel but bought off and silenced) HERE


Great Bumper Stickers to help get the word out

HERE

Click below to listen as Joan Veon tells you how we have already been merged with Mexico!!
3/17/01 interview heard on the Geoff Metcalf Program
HERE

Joan Veon and the Women's International Media Group
HERE

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What about Cheney?
Posted by: aussidawg on Jun 14, 2006 3:31 PM   
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He is a known criminal. He needs to be prosecuted, tried, and if convicted, pay the fiddler he has danced to for so long.

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Alex Jones Show on GCN Radio Online WWW.GCNLIVE.COM
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 14, 2006 3:34 PM   
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Who wants Cheney Out?
Posted by: ProgressiveManiac on Jun 15, 2006 5:07 AM   
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One possibility that should not be overlooked is that Bush and Rove see some advantage to having Cheney indicted.

What exactly did Rove testify about when he volunteered a few weeks ago to appear before the grand jury? Could it be that this testamony was part of a deal that Fitzgerald made with Rove in order to make a case against Cheney? Surely Fitzgerald would have motivation to catch the bigger fish (Cheney) and be willing to sacrifice the smaller one (Rove).

So why would Bush want to have Cheney indicted? To save Rove, of course, but beyond that Bush might see an advantage to being able to choose a new VP, one who could not be impeached as easily should Democrats take control of the Congress.

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