So, Tony Perkins through his Family Research Council "promotes the Judeo-Christian worldview as the basis for a just, free, and stable society."

That's rich coming from the political Christians in America, the people that run Texas, for example, famous for Christians like George Bush and Tom DeLay. Freedom and justice, yep, that's what they're all about. Just ask the people of color from Tulia, TEXAS, or the RETARDED and MINOR citizens that have been executed for capital crimes there. Even the Supreme Court, the same one that made George Bush president, declared that there was no evidence that marijuana was a medicine and that businesses can snatch private property from individuals as "eminent domain" - yes that court - found the practices there to be less than just and free.

Political Christians have taken over the Kansas state school board as well where they have brough so much of that freedom and justice there in the form of the freedom to become inculcated in "intelligent design".

Now Tony Perkins wants to present America with the gift of freedom again: the freedom to get cervical cancer as punishment for having had sexual intercourse. That's biblical justice according to the Christians running this country including James Dobson, Pat Robertsom, Jerry Falwell, Pat Roberts, Rick Santorum and George Bush.

I realize that all of you nonpolitical Christians cringe like the rest of us at the thought of that version of Christianity. But like it or not, it's the variation that has risen to power and which represents America's brand of Christianity and which promises to bring us, "a just, free, and stable society"

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This just goes to prove, yet again, that at least one segment of American society has gone utterly, completely, and totally nuts. It has long been my opinion that ALL organized religion is a form of madness; do you need more proof?

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Just off the top of my head. If abstinence is '100% effective' in preventing HPV infections, that means there's no rape, right? How many women get raped per year? Hmmm. Maybe the Abstainers can wear a little ribbon or something to show rapists that they're abstaining, so they go rape someone else.

Second thought: did these wacky Christians feverishly fight against introduction of viagra too? Because that encourages sex, and doesn't have any beneficial medical effects whatsoever. I don't recall hearing any of their protests, though perhaps I wasn't paying attention. After all, surely their wails of outrage would have been far greater for something like Viagra than for a vaccine that prevents one of the most common female cancers...?

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It promotes stupidity, ignorance, intolerance, war and disease.

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It certainly looks to me like, although Focus on the Family et al are covering their back by saying they promote the vaccine´s availability, they are promoting fear of allowing it to be used for adolescents(a parent that does not allow their child this vaccine when it can literally make the difference between life and death, IMO, has a lot to answer for). If they fear that putting this vaccine in the same category as other vaccines is going to, in itself, foment premarital sex, they are out of contact with reality. And most importantly, this vaccine can save their child´s life.

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Survival of the fittest means that the ignorant who don't let their kids get vaccines will have to suffer their children dying from it. After all, isn't suffering what they think life is all about?
Sure it is hard on the kids, but just being raised by people that ignorant is a suffering in itself. Take it from someone who was.

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Conservative religious groups hate freedom for women, for life, for reality and for scientists because they have been brainwashed to believe completely absurd dogmas and fictions. The result of this is completely heinous and immoral activity by human believers who are losing thier humanity by living in a fog of stupidity.

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So you want to encourage your daughter to remain pure until marriage? Let's suppose for a moment that she buys into that and doesn't rebel.

In college, she meets a nice young man. He attends church every week, plays football, and when he proposes, the girl's family is thrilled to acknowledge him as son-in-law. However, he's not completely open with them about his past. The daughter is not the first woman he's slept with. Unbeknownst to any of them, he's brought HPV into the marriage, compromising the health of his wife who did nothing wrong.

Then there's cases of rape. How many women fail to report rape because they're ashamed at the loss of their virginity, even though it wasn't their choice? How many will fail to get screened because they don't want to admit there's any chance of being positive?

Then there's the prodigal daughter - the one who strays from the fold. You're prepared to let her die because she didn't adhere to your moral code?

I'm a Christian. I will teach my daughters that abstinence is the best course. I will also get them this vaccine, and teach them about birth control. I don't believe in protecting them through fear and ignorance.

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That Jesus died for our sins, yes thats right Jesus DIED for our sins!!

So let us make that death worth while by stopping the punishment of others for their sins (if they are sins at all). This vacination is NOT going to premote liberal sexualisation of the young, all it will do is protect about 50% of the population from the horrors that cancer brings not just to the victims but to their friends and familes, oh and the cost to business when workers become ill and have leave their jobs.

To me as an athiest I find it imoral to ban such a vaccine, and I find it impossible to comprehend how the morraly correct christians can even consider fighting against this issue. If they had any christianity at all they should be demanding that this vaccine is to be issued globably to young women in order to reduce the chances of them and their loved ones suffering.

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Once again these groups have proven their disdain for females. They are willing to let 4,000 women die a year rather then make this vaccination readily available. They want their daughters to abstain from sex until marriage or die. Would they do the same with their sons? As usual a cure/preventative for women is fought against while viagra is still the top selling med out there.

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As a former born-again fundamentalist pentecostal "christian" I sat through many sermons demanding that christians "take up their swords and shields" to fight satan (aka secular humanists). It was "onward christian soldiers" every Sunday, with calls to "eliminate sin" in the name of god. There were thousands in attendance every week, crying, rolling in the aisles and speaking in tongues. THOUSANDS, in my one single megachurch, many fringe lunatics who were accepted there but no where else.

Please take these zealots seriously. They are "filled with the holy spirit," shun education & medicine, and will do whatever the holy spirit (aka Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, GWBush) tells them to do. These spirit-filled hate-mongers use the right code words (purity, "wonder working power," etc.) to gather the forces against evil, subjectively defining evil as they deem necessary.

Our only hope is to make non-zealots aware of the danger and to neutralize the impact of this christian army. How? Stop being polite. Stop accepting "praise jesus" or "god bless" as common benign pleasantries. Stop accepting or respecting this religious movement. These people are terrorists and will not hesitate to kill you and your sinful children in the name of the lord, any way they can. I've seen it in action and I am scared to death of these wolves in sheeple clothing. You all should be too.

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From what I know about all vaccines, I would discourage anyone from getting this vaccine. Why? Because of the mercury and the nasty things in the vaccines. I just don't believe these vaccines do anything but make people sick. We know one out of 160 children now is autistic thanks to vaccines. Who wants a virus deliberately injected into their body to set up housekeeping in their cells, viruses and other nasty things, floating in a solution of mercury, to be injected into the bloodstream? These horrid vaccines are cultured in the cells of human babies who have been aborted. Who knows what other viruses and germs these children harbor from their mothers? It's a witches brew if ever there was one.

This is insanity. It's a lie that these vaccines do any good. Rather, they just make healthy peole sick, and sick people sicker.

I doubt seriously that any "conservative" or "Christian" parent opposes the vaccine for the reasons enumerated in the article. It just sounds to me like more hatred and bigotry being leveled against Christians. Pretty sick article, actually.

Rather, Conservative Christians probably oppose the vaccine because:

There's really no way to know that it's the miracle maker the drug merchandisers like Merck make it out to be. We've heard that story before on other so-called "miracle drugs" like Vioxx and the ERT drugs. Big Pharma produces no real healing drugs nowadays. Pretty much all their drugs do more harm than good, and the side effects are usually much worse than the condition they are supposed to be ameliorating.

Nobody wants to stand in the way of good health.

It's the FDA and Big Pharma that are causing sickness, misery and death with their hideous drugs and their stranglehold of the Food and Drug Administration, which serves only to act as a monopoly enforcer to Big Pharma against anyone who would produce true healing and health for anyone.

I don't want any of Merck's pills. None of them. I take vitamins and supplements and try to eat right (ie avoid processed foods). If you haven't figured out by now that Big Pharma is just a racket to make money, to promote and exploit human illness -- it's time to wake up.

This cartoon, Town of Alopath , dramatizes the point I'm making here very well. This little cartoon has caused more angst among Big Medicine and Big Pharma than anything.

CLICK HERE FOR TOWN OF ALOPATH CARTOON

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Terradea -- What rubbish you speak. Pure lies. Christians are terrorists? You sound like FEMA. You are the terrorist when you speak this way. You try to incite fear and hatred against Christians, saying we want to kill people's children. If this is not terrorism, I don't know what is.

You should be ashamed!

Let's have some more blood letting against Christians! (as if we haven't had enough already!)

The concentration camps are being built and readied for tens of millions of people in America. I guess we know who's going to get hauled off, don't we? The Christians.

Who will be blamed for George Bush and the Monster NeoCONs? Why, Christians of course!

Even though Bush is no more a Christian than Adolph Hitler was.

What a thing to wake up to -- postings like this. If this isn't hate speech, I don't know what is!!!

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What is so painful in all of this is that religious zealots have captured the Christian designation without realizing that the real story is the Jesus was betrayed and killed because he was THE ultimate liberal.

Just look at His humanity, His love for all people, His teaching about equality and justice, His teaching about family and morals, but with a forgiving heart for those who trangressed. How on earth can we continue to let these people steal the real role model for a progressive, loving world?

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Ok, first thing's first. Even if a woman stays abstinent from sex until marriage (which is becoming more and more rare), who's to say that her partner has? Men wouldn't show signs of the virus, and whose to say he wouldn't lie about his past sexual history? On top of that, what if that spouse cheats on the woman later in life and contracts and then passes on that virus?
So past that, let's think logically for a moment. If this vaccine is suppost to prompt premarrital sex, then we also need to get rid of condoms, birth control, the 'pull out' method (pft, like it even works, but let's just be thorogh), and while we're at it, porn, most prime time television, nearly all commercials, most movies, breast augmentation, vibraters/dildos, our eyesight (while we're at it). Sex is EVERYWHERE in our culture and yet it is still such a taboo. It is human nature, and it's going to happen.
We need to be realistic about sex, and not let a minority of our population decide what to do with our bodies. Sure, it's a great idea to promote abstinance, but that isn't going to be everyone's choice and we have to realize that. I find it amazing the advances we are making in reguards to viral infections. A vaccine that can prevent the second most killing cancer among women is a miracle, not immoral.

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These people are following the letter of old testament law and do not live in the spirit of what their faith was intended. They don't even know their own faith as they have denied their own savior in continuing the laws of which all have fallen short of and cannot keep. Dominionists are people of hate and have contempt of people that don't believe as they do. They are part of the fornication and adultry nation. "What God has joined together, no man may put assunder" does not register in their small minded minds. Saved by faith doesn't register either as the "know" their future after death.

These people cannot be talked to about their hypocrisy of their own beliefs. In truth, they act as if their Savior is a probem since they never needed one as they put him up on the cross daily as they condemn others not acknowledging that they are no better. Their faith is dead as they have no need of it as they have knowledge which is far better than faith!

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These people of hate and contempt of man and their own professed belief have consistently shown themselves by their works, that their faith is dead and the only real god they have is of money and power.

I highly recommend reading http://theocracywatch.org to learn more about this group of people and how they think.

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Once again, the Jesus freaks take us another step backward while China, Europe, Canada, and nearly everyone else except the Middle East moves forward. Maybe that's why El Chimpo Bush and the Biblebangers are so preoccupied with the Middle East- they want us to be just like them! A few more years of being run by these wingnuts and we'll be back in the Dark Ages- YAY SUPERSTITUTION!!!! Every time I read shit like this, it just me wonder why the Romans stopped feeding Christians to the lions- too many Christians, too few lions!

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Bush and his ilk do not represent Christianity in any way. As a matter of fact they seem to be better representatives for Satan than for Christ.
The notion that a person should suffer from cancer because they had sex with another person is absurd and the work of demented minds. We can easily point out cases where prominent ministers have had odd affairs with hookers and can easily bring disease home to their marriage partner. We need to shout down the nuts who carry these types of opinions.

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I lost my uterus due to this virus and had someone told me in the beginning that it could cause cancer, I would have been more diligent in my yearly pap tests. I for one am glad people are talking about this. The information needs to get to every woman.

I just cannot EVEN BELIEVE that ANYONE would wish cancer on anyone else just because it happens to come from a STI.

Getting this vaccine is NOT going to make anyone promiscuous. That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard.

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The National Vaccine Information Center in Vienna Virginia, www.NVIC.org, has operated a Vaccine Reaction Registry since founded in 1982. It receives more than 200 calls each month from parents requesting information on 50 vaccine reaction reports ranging from parents calling to talk about how their infants suddenly died after getting BTaP, HIB, pneumococcal, polio and hepatitis B vaccines all on the same day. Some are charged with murder because of bleeding in the brain that doctors insist is a result of shaking the baby, even though there are no other signs of physical trauma.

Nursing students and adult healthcare professionals continue to report joint and muscle pain and weakness, coronic fatigue and inability to think clearly after hepatitis B vaccination.

Since 2000 NVIC has reported an increase in reports of young infants dying after vaccination; toddlers regressing into autism after receiving multiple vaccinations; onset of seizures in 4 to 6-year-olds and an increase in reports of adults having reactions after hep B and A vaccines, tetanus boosters and flu vaccinations.

The human genome is altered by vaccines. By injecting foreign RNA and DNA, toxic metals and poisonous chemicals into our bloodsream, our own genetic structure is changed, allfecting all generations to follow.

Vaccines cause significant numbers of SIDS, learning disabilities, chronic autoimmune diseases, autism. The extent of declining health of our nation caused by medical experimentation by vaccines is iatrogenocide or medically-induced mass murder.

It is impossible to build vital cell structure and a strong immune system by injecting known carcinogens and foreign proteins containing genetic material from other species into our bodies. Viruses and bacteria area cultured from either aborted babies or various animal organs.

IPOL, inactivated polio vaccine, contains three strains of poliovirus grown in vero cels (monkey kidney cells). Newer vaccines such as Hep A, varicella and rubella are cultured in the cells of aborted human babies (i.e read "human diploid cells."

The vaccine preservatives are thimerosal (ethyl mercury), formaldehyde, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, formalin, monosodium glutamate (msg), phenoxyetanol (antifreeze), neomycin (antibiotic), carbolic acid and ammonium sulfate.

Antibodies to vaccine ingredients unbalance the ratio of immune killer cells to immune memory cells confirming that vaccines do indeed harm the immune system. Licensing is ased on the manufacturer demonstrating production of specific antibodies. Effectiveness and longterm safety are ignored.

When unvaccinated children are compared to the vaccinated (ie Hopewood children of Australia) the unvaccinated children are healthier than the vaccinated.

It's been said that the shots and vaccines our soldiers are given kill more of them than the bullets and bombs. Remember the mass refusal by military personnel to receive the anthrax vaccine?

For people who claim to be antiestablishment and distrustful of Big Pharma and the Multinationals, you all seem like lemmings tripping over yourself to get their latest witch's brew, all the while hurling curses at Christians.

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Unfortunately, research shows that 13% of teens who take an abstinence pledge lie about their previous sexual history and claim to be virgins: so having sex with a born-again virgin does not mean being safe from HPV or other diseases. Also, they are more likely to engage in unsafe sex (because they weren't planning on it) and anal sex (because it "doesn't count" if it's not vaginal). Besides, have those people forgotten what it's like to be a teenager? Teens are not thinking about HPV and cancer 20 years down the road, if they even knew of the link.

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You are condemning Christians for allegedly warning that this vaccine won't prevent all STDs and having reservations about it.

But do you condemn the CDC for years of denial that HPV even caused cancer at all? I mean, the CDC didn't want to appear to be saying that young women should not be out having sex. That might seem moralistic. Better to just pretend that HPV is a harmless little nothing.

Same with abortion. CDC to this day refuses to acknowledge the high correlation between having an abortion and getting breast cancer later.

And what about the CDC's refusal to warb that homosexuals be excluded from giving blood? Or the Red Cross that failed to even ask or request that homosexuals not give blood, even though AIDS is not necessarily detected for months after infection.

You talk about murderers. How many people have died of breast cancer or AIDS because somebody thought it was not politically correct to warn them or to screen people who were likely AIDS carriers.

All the liberals ever do is offer their so-called "sound science" remedies that don't work. Sound science like a mouthful of mercury fillings. It's so healthy to have mercury in your teeth, right?

If you people haven't heard about how vaccines kill, you need to wake up. Stop being lemmings, believe anything the Playboy Foundation, Planned Parenthood and all the other Death Culture people tell you.

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Wait a minute. This is one time I go along with the “far Christian right.” Vaccines!!! on young girls? You know what our government did to our soldiers with mandatory vaccines in the gulf war. Whee! Now they’ll put something into the vaccine to experiment on young girls. The Government and the Pharmaceuticals LOVE mandatory vaccines. Think about it.

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When I was much younger (about 22) I was diagnosed with displasia (spelling?). In the biopsy (sp?) the cells ranged from stage 2 to precancerous stage 4, and this was in the course of one year's time between OB visits when the previous visit showed nothing unusual. This was how close I came to cervical cancer. (I can actually count the number of sexual partners I had on two hands... LOL). So, to have a vaccine out there that would prevent countless women from the threat of loosing their fertility--what's the problem? The religious cons are using this as another method to attack women's reproductive choice. Anything to do with sex, it must be bad in their near-sighted view of the world. Besides, I seriously doubt that having this vaccine available would encourage women to have more sex or with more partners.
I went on to have children and not have a single fertility problem. (Thanks, doc!)

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As a woman who has HPV and gone through the pain and suffering of contracting such a disease, I am appalled over the religious rights fight against prevention. It almost makes me want to cry- what if they win? Another point for men, another right/issue/whatever you want to call it taken away from women.

Do you know what you have to go through when you're diagnosed? A painful biopsy of the cervix after an embarrassing appointment with your OBGYN, then the freezing of one's cervix. Yes, freezing. It's a painful process, and it takes roughly six weeks for your cervix to unfreeze. The entire time, you have to wear a pad so all the melted cervix HPV stuff will have a place to go. It's gross and demoralizing. Moreover, I did not contract this disease through promiscuity; not on my part, however. HPV, like any other issue, is not black and white.

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when it comes down to it, christianity is a dictatorship, one guy at the top, and everyone else bends to his whim or burns in hell, we (supposedly) live in a democracy, where the people make the decisions, arent these two ideas mutually exclusive??

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QUOTES FROM MEDICAL DOCTORS ON VACCINES:

"When I was training, one in 2,500 [children were autistic]. Now it is one in 250. At the moment, the only logical explanation for this is MMR." -- Dr Kenneth Aitken, British specialist in the treatment of autism. (The Telegraph, United Kingdom, April 2, 2002)

"By the (U.S.) government's own admission, there has been a 41% failure rate in persons who were previously vaccinated against the (measles) virus." -- Dr. Anthony Morris, John Chriss, BG Young, "Occurrence of Measles in Previously Vaccinated Individuals," 1979; presented at a meeting of the American Society for Microbiology at Fort Detrick, Maryland, April 27, 1979.

"There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza. The producers of these vaccines know that they are worthless, but they go on selling them, anyway." -- Dr. J. Anthony Morris (formerly Chief Vaccine Control Officer at the US Federal Drug Admin.)

"Our results suggest that infants whose mothers are born since measles vaccine licensure in 1963 are significantly more susceptible to measles than are infants of older mothers and that the risk of measles increases incrementally with each year increase in the maternal year of birth." -- "Increased Susceptibility to Measles in Infants in the United States," Pediatrics, Nov. 5, 1999.

The strong association between vaccination with RRV-TV and intussusception among otherwise healthy infants supports the existence of a causal relation. -- Intussusception among infants given an oral rotavirus vaccine., Murphy TV, et al. Epidemiology and Surveillance Division, National Immunization Program, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, N Engl J Med. 2001 Feb 22;344(8):564-72.

"The (Illinois) department followed the recommendation of a panel of experts, its Immunization Advisory Committee, while rejecting the advice of others who thought the decision should be left to parents and pediatricians. But in what critics consider a conflict of interest, 5 of the committee's 18 members have financial ties to Merck, which makes the chickenpox vaccine. Two members of the committee have given talks for Merck, receiving up to $750 per speech. A third member directs a nonprofit group that has received $20,000 in grant money from the company. And two other members own stock in Merck, including one who has owned as much as $16,000 worth." - (Sun Times, January 27, 2002)

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"This report describes six mothers who received live virus vaccines and one who received a Hepatitis B vaccine during pregnancy after having received an MMR booster five months prior to conception. All the children who resulted from these pregnancies have had developmental problems, six out seven (85%) were diagnosed with autism, and the seventh seems to exhibit symptoms often associated with autistic spectrum disorders." --F. EdwardYazbak, MD

"Every day new parents are ringing us. They all have the same tragic story. Healthy baby, child, teenager, usually a boy, given the DPT (diphtheria, pertussis and tetanus) or DT (diphtheria and tetanus), MMR or MMR booster followed by a sudden fall or slow, but steady decline into autism or other spectrums disorder."--The Hope Project (Ireland)

"There is no evidence whatsoever of the ability of vaccines to prevent any diseases. To the contrary, there is a great wealth of evidence that they cause serious side effects." -- Dr. Viera Scheibner

"My data proves that the studies used to support immunisation are so flawed that it is impossible to say if immunisation provides a net benefit to anyone or to society in general. This question can only be determined by proper studies which have never been performed. The flaw of previous studies is that there was no long term follow up and chronic toxicity was not looked at. The American Society of Microbiology has promoted my research...and thus acknowledges the need for proper studies." --John B.Classen, M.D., M.B.A.

"The medical authorities keep lying. Vaccination has been a disaster on the immune system. It actually causes a lot of illnesses. We are changing our genetic code through vaccination." --Guylaine Lanctot M.D. Canadian author of the best-seller 'Medical Mafia'.

Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate subcommittee that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine.

"Crib death" was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was not even mentioned in the statistics, but it started to climb in the 1950s with the spread of mass vaccination against diseases of childhood. --Harris L.Coulter, PhD.

"These data show that DPT vaccination may be a generally unrecognised major cause of sudden infant and early childhood death, and that the risks of immunisation may outweigh its potential benefits. A need for re-evaluation and possible modification of current vaccination procedures is indicated by this study." --William C. Torch, M.D., Director of Child Neurology, Department of Paediatrics, University of Nevada School of Medicine

"You cannot be in the presence of a profoundly vaccine damaged child and not know that child could be your own. And you cannot try to comfort a mother who has just buried a baby who has died from a vaccine or a disease and not know that you could be the one standing over the grave. When it happens to your child, the risks are 100 percent." -Anonymous

"Vaccination is not necessary, not useful, does not protect. There are twice as many casualties from vaccination as from AIDS." --Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, West Germany, specialist of internal diseases and participant in about 150 trials of vaccination victims.

Dr. Michael Odent has written a letter in the JAMA (1994) where his figures show a five times higher rate of asthma in pertussis immunised children compared to non-immunised children. He is also quoted in the International Vaccination Newsletter (Sept. 1994): "Immunised children have more ear infections and spend more days in hospital."

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"You cannot be in the presence of a profoundly vaccine damaged child and not know that child could be your own. And you cannot try to comfort a mother who has just buried a baby who has died from a vaccine or a disease and not know that you could be the one standing over the grave. When it happens to your child, the risks are 100 percent." -Anonymous

"Vaccination is not necessary, not useful, does not protect. There are twice as many casualties from vaccination as from AIDS." --Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, West Germany, specialist of internal diseases and participant in about 150 trials of vaccination victims.

Dr. Michael Odent has written a letter in the JAMA (1994) where his figures show a five times higher rate of asthma in pertussis immunised children compared to non-immunised children. He is also quoted in the International Vaccination Newsletter (Sept. 1994): "Immunised children have more ear infections and spend more days in hospital."

"The public is surely entitled to convincing proof, beyond all reasonable doubt, that artificial immunisation is in fact a safe and effective procedure, in no way injurious to health, and that the threat of the corresponding natural diseases remain sufficiently clear and urgent to warrant mass inoculation of everyone, even against their will if necessary. Unfortunately, such proof has never been given." --Richard Moskowitz, M.D., Journal of the American Institute of Homeopathy, March 1983 (76:7)

"Vaccination is expensive and represents a cost of one billion dollars annually. It therefore benefits the industry; most notably, the multinational manufacturers. One sells the vaccines. The other then provides the arsenal of medications to respond to the numerous complications that follow. Their profits increase while our expenses go through the roof. To the point where we have simply had it up to here and are ready to accept the unacceptable, such as socialised medicine in the United States, for example." --Dr Lanctot MD

In the May 24, 1996, New Zealand Medical Journal, J. Barthelow Classen, MD, a former researcher at the U.S. National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the founder and CEO of Classen Immunotherapies in Baltimore, reported that juvenile diabetes increased 60 per cent following a massive hepatitis B vaccination campaign for babies six weeks or older in New Zealand from 1988 to 1991. In the October 22, 1997, Infectious Diseases in Clinical Practice, Classen showed that Finland's incidence of diabetes increased 147 per cent in children under five after three new vaccines were introduced in the 1970s, and that diabetes increased 40 per cent in children aged 5 to 9 after the addition of the MMR and Hib vaccines in the 1980s. He concluded that "the rise in IDDM [juvenile onset diabetes] in the different age groups correlated with the number of vaccines given."

Yet some parents and doctors, concerned about the future, are looking beyond the present. "What we forget is that millions of years of evolution have taken place on this planet, and up until the last 100 years, humans have lived in relative harmony with microbes. Yes, there have been epidemic infectious diseases in history, but they have always resolved themselves. I don't think there is any real appreciation for what we may be doing by using so many vaccines to try to eradicate so many organisms. If we stay the present course, will mankind be free from infectious disease but crippled by chronic disease? Will eradication of feared diseases, such as AIDS, through mass vaccination be one of man's greatest triumphs or will we live in fear of deadly mutations of microbes that have outsmarted man's attempt to eradicate them? We may look back at the crossroads we are at today and wish we had decided to make peace with nature instead of trying to dominate it." --Richard Moscowitz, MD

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...or destroy pharmaceutical companies.

Zealots.

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Since when did this country start being run by Mr. Dobsons or Perkins? As far as I know we have a democracy not a theocracy. If the extreme religious right want to let their families become ill and die from preventable diseases, fine. I say take all medications away from them. That way they don't have to worry about the evil of science and medicine intruding upon their oh so righteous existence. However, they should not be allowed to dictate what the rest of the over 200 million people in this country do about our health. We have to remember that these organizations are all run by men who would like nothing better than to return to the days of chastity belts. It's already too late for that. They have no capacity for compromise. Everything must be their way. These men are not Christians. They don't even resemble Christians. How many of these righteous gentlemen had sex before marriage? How many have sex outside of marriage? I'd wager just about all of them. They are nothing but self-righteous, arrogant, ignorant, greedy, self promoting misogynists. You cannot legislate morality. Congress better get a clue that this is the case and let these morally repugnant jerks know that all women should be allowed medications to keep them healthy. And why they are at it they may want to read up on the causes of cervical cancer. You don't get if from kissing, sex, door knobs or toilet seats you boneheads.

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Lord Zombie -- (good name you picked)

Your post is total rubbish. You want a total dictatorship? Try Communism. You worship the government. You put the state ahead of your family, yourself, everything. Atheism is the state religion, no other alaternatives allowed.

Then there's the New World Order when everyone will bear the mark of the beast. If they do not, they will not be allowed to buy or sell. Everybody will kiss this Antichrist's feet, worship him, and he will drive the population into ecstasy. Anybody who does not conform will be killed.

Our government was formed to ensure the UNALIANABLE RIGHTS (ie God given rights that are inherent in each person). The Declration says, We are endowed by OUR CREATOR with certain UNALIANABLE RIGHTS.

Christians believe that man was created in God's image, that each person is precious, that a human soul is worth more than the entire world (ie. Jesus said, what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul?)

The way things are going with the NWO rolling upon us like a steam engine on a 70 degree incline with no brakes, you may get your wish soon and there will be no Christianity anywhere, just you and your New World Order, and John Lennon's utopia of no countries, no religion, no possessions, everybody living for today.

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You could just call christians, moslems, hindus, jews, whatever, a party, like democrats, republicans. Religion is all about power. Man power. There is nothing divine, holy, or sarced about these 'religions. Every god in every religion currently in effect today states, "in the name of god" it is o.k. to kill and destroy your 'enemy' in His name. That my friends is a politicial belief not a religious belief. When god was a women we did not have all this cruel, mean, distructive, devastating, war, violence, men-tality. When god was a women, peace, harmony, love, ruled. And thats the truth.

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This vaccination should come with a disclaimer that's says its not a replacement for safe sex.

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I have long thought that the politically active, far right, evangelicals have perpetrated identity theft when they claim to be Christians, particularly when they imply that no one else is. When did Christianity become a synonym for cruel and ugly and hateful and biased? When did forgiveness and love get supplanted by mean spiritedness? By what right do these people claim to speak for Jesus, who ate with prostitutes and tax collectors and saved the life of a Centurian's child? What do they have in common with the Good Samaritan? Can you imagine Jesus condemning a woman to cervical cancer because she had pre-marital sex? And what if their own daughters should happen to get it because their husbands strayed?

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Whoever said when "God was a woman we had peace" doesn't know their history.

The "sacred feminine" is the worship of sex, that when you are having an orgasm you are "like God."

Debauchery, androgynous sex, human sacrifice, eating the body of humans during the orgiastic rituals --

All are part of the pagan religions begun first by Semiramis and Nimrod, copied throughout the planet with different names for the same person.

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I don't know about crazy-it's almost certain that some of these fools are bonkers-but pathetic stupidity, absymal ignorance, and intractible bias are the main problem.

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Can you imagine what the American Taliban will do should we succeed in developing a vaccine to prevent HIV infection?

Unlike HPV, late-stage HIV infection (AIDS) kills between 8,000 and 10,000 people per day. The AIDS pandemic is sustained by nine to 11 new infections every minute.

God helps us when the FDA approves an HIV vaccine. The Taliban will be screaming from the highest buildings to stop its use.

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And his widow Yoko supports depopulating the planet down to a mere 500 million.

She's quoted as praising those "wonderful Georgia Guidestones."

Do a Google on the Georgia Guidestones, the American Stonehenge located in the state of Georgia. It was erected by the Illuminati in the '70s and spells out 12 goals. First goal, reduce world population to 500 million.

As I said earlier, these people represent the Death Culture.

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Fact is, there is more than enough room on this planet for all of us. Oil is not a limited resource but is constantly being renewed. We don't even need to use oil for energy. This planet is well able to keep us all well fed and comfortable if we didn't have Shock and Awe and depleted uranium in the jet stream and chemtrails sprayed all over like they are where I live.

Here's the facts:

Lets say we give all 6 billion people on the planet 1,000 square feet each, did you realize that all 6 billion people would fit very easily into the state of Texas (with over 1,300 billion square feet left over!).

Sounds amazing doesn't it? Don't believe me? I will PROVE it!

Texas has 262,015 square miles of land
Which equals 7,304,558,976,000 square feet (262,015 x 27,878,400*) in Texas
Each person gets 1,000 square feet of land
The world population is currently almost 6 billion people (as of 1999)
6 billion x 1,000 square feet per person equals 6,000,000,000,000 square feet needed
Square feet in Texas

Square feet needed for 6 billion people 7,304,558,976,000
(subtract)
6,000,000,000,000
Left over space PROVING example #2 1,304,558,976,000

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The carrier of HPV is men. Why are we vaccinating women?This alone should tell somebody out there with a brain this is wrong.
For many years(50) we cooked(not literally) up vaccines in chicken eggs. Now we have bird-flu. Are humans this simple?

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While we rip each other up over stupid stuff -- like the preposterous idea that Christians want to kill everybody's children -- meantime the neoCONs are moving swiftly toward WWIII, death to most everyone on the planet, and the New World Order.

I hope we can stop them. We must.

You people are so worried about the ones who follow after a Holy and Righteous and Merciful God.

You should be worried about the monsters who worship Satan and who are leading the whole world into the abyss.

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I looked through all the comments and couldn't find a single reference to environmental causes of cancer.

Take a look at Environmental causes of cancer.

There are a huge amount of industrial and agricultural chemicals that accumulate in the human body. See the Bill Moyers report on Chemical Industry Trade Secrets. These are pesticides, herbicides, solvets, plasticizers, etc. Some of them interfere with genetic replication processes, and that intereference can generate runaway cancer cells. This is all well studied, by the way.

So, why does the media go on and on about the genetic and viral causes of cancer? - it's simple - that means the chemical industry, or rather the petrochemical industry, is off the hook. This is a very old PR tactic in the US chemical industry. I mean, even the Nazis became aware of the industrial chemical causes of cancer and carried out a campaign to reduce the incidence of cancer.

Sure, there are genetic and viral causes of cancer - but the real culprit is environmental exposure to persistent carcinogens. The chemical industry strategy to avoid repercussions from their actions is the same as the tobacco industry - blame the victim for their 'genetic flaws'.

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Time to get real you self righteous morons. Wake up! The world will not forever tolerate your intolerance and moralistic jingoism. Christ was a figure of a man who would never be caught dead in one of your churches, let alone be associated with your hateful ignorant condemnation of gays, extramaital sex, disbelief in science and evolution, and hypocritical dealings with liberal and progressive fellow citizens. Let me throw the Republicans in there as well. Combined you all represent what is truly demonic in this society. If there is to be a judgement day, you will found far short of the blessings of heaven. Try reading, and questioning and seeking knowledge and stimulating whatever intelligence lies so dormant in your narrow little pea brains.

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1,000 square feet PER PERSON is a lot. That is living space in your home. Most people have not nearly that much space. A lot of families live in 1200 square foot homes.

Then of course we have skyscrapers and apartment buildings where you can run the space UP.

So the upshot is that there's a lot of housing space with all kinds of space left over for roads, parks, stores, whatever.

And this is putting the entire world's population in the state of Texas.

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A values check for the Culture of Life folks out there - If you own any stock in the company that makes this vaccine you have a moral obligation to sell it. You can't continue to invest your money with people who might cause your children to become immoral. Take a look at your stock portfolio and make sure that you are not gaining financially from investments that are not in keeping with your beliefs. Tobacco, Fire arms, alcohol, etc. Thanks, ANNA

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Aren't Christians supposed to be compassionate of others? Why are activist Christians in this country always showing nothing but scorn for others who differ from their narrow-minded views? I'm no biblical scholar--I gave up organized religion years ago to think for myself--but doesn't the bible say something about leaving the judgement to the deity?

Here in Utah the fools teach abstinence only for sex-ed--the reasoning is that the less the kids know, the safer they are, yet the ridiculous D.A.R.E. programs teach kids all about the drugs they are supposed to avoid. HHHhhmmmmmm....

So knowledge of some "vices" will lead to avoidance, while knowledge of other so-called vices will lead to involvement...so if we were to teach responsible sexuality practices, everyone would turn into a Bonobo ape, and if we STOP teaching about drugs we'll all be addicts. Strange.

War on drugs=war on people, on mental freedom.
War on terror=how do you fight a methodology anyway?--It's nothing more than the fear mongers clinging to power.
Christian Right=is neither.
Neocon=treason
Bush=fraud

When do we take our nation back from the right wing loonies, from the greedy, from the liars?

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This is more lies. I'm a Christian. I have to pay for my healthen neighbors for their children's educations. I have to pay for those kids to go to school to learn to hate everything I love and love everything I hate. You think this is fair? You think this is what the First Amendment is all about? Enforced atheism? If my neighbors want their kids to learn about Safe Sex, to be taught dogmatically that God does not exist but that matter is the real god (ie. self-existant, capable of forming itself into all life and creating life spontaneously); -- to learn that sexual perversions are just "alternative lifestyles" and that we should all learn to appreciate them -- hey, this is not Christians forcing nonChristians at all. This is atheist, pagan, debauchery forcing me to support it at the point of a gun.

And when these same pagans come busting into our homes to rape and kill and steal -- you're goign to again say this is those awful Christians trying to force their ways and their morality on others? Problem is, you don't want people busting into your house either, so what do you do about THAT? Maybe you could just, since you are in the majority, get laws passed that say that it's only okay to bust in on Christians' homes and kill and steal from them, but not anybody else.

None of you people care one whit about the Constitution. You are the bullies. You are the ones who want to debauch at your will, and you don't want anybody to criticize you or complain when we are forced to pay for your wickedness.

So just shut up about how you are so persecuted and forced into doing things you don't want to do. You just are fully of envy and greed and want what isn't yours and you want to corrupt everyone and misuse everyone and don't want anyone to stand in your way.

So spare me your crying woes of your poor rights being trampled. Nobody has a right to corrupt children, to be so selfish as to cause such murder and mayhem as you do through homosexuality, fornication -- aborting human babies who are made to pay for your selfish wickedness.

No wonder you hate Christianity so much. You live like the devil so you might as well worship the one you serve. You think nobody has any "rights" except you -- and your rights are to take whatever you want and hurt whoever you want.

Disgusting. No wonder God invented a place called Hell. Perfect place for such wicked and selfish beings who adore the Devil.

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Swell. Today 'free speach" is for those you agree with?
Fuck that! Let him speak.

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This story is disturbing and angering, but is it anything new? Fundamentalist Christians (or "pseudo-Christians, as I call them), as well as other religious fundamentalists have pretty much always maintained that sex outside their narrow definition of "morality" should result in death. What they are basically saying is that if one of their daughters engages in pre-marital sex, she deserves to get cancer and die. How this concept is in keeping with Jesus Christ's teaching, I'll never know.

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You are all crying about the mean Christians trying to dictate.

What a hoot. The Christians are saying, no mandatory vaccine for HPV.

Even this disingenuous article states:

And the Family Research Council has gone even further. While testifying before an ACIP conference, the council's spokesman said: "Because parents have an inherent right to be the primary educator and decision maker regarding their children's health, we would oppose any measures to legally require vaccination. There is no justification for any vaccination mandate as a condition of public school attendance." And Focus on the Family issued a formal statement declaring that it "supports widespread (universal) availability of HPV vaccines but opposes mandatory HPV vaccinations for entry to public school."

Is that so terrible? Why should this be mandatory? Why should someone be denied an education unless they agree to get this vaccine?

How the heck do they know this prevents cancer? How can they prove such a thing? They can't.

It's another scam is all it is, another money-maker for Big Pharma.

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FOCUS ON THE FAMILY POSITION STATEMENT:
HUMAN PAPILLOMAVIRUS VACCINES
FOCUS ON THE FAMILY • COLORADO SPRINGS, CO 80995 • 719/531-5181
P.O. BOX 9800 • STN TERMINAL • VANCOUVER, BC V6B 4G3 • 604/539-7900
www.family.org • www.fotf.ca
CORRESPONDENCE DEPARTMENT • MS006 • 1/19/2006 • RG06XMS
The human papillomavirus (HPV) is the most common sexually transmitted infection (STI) in the United States, currently infecting approximately 20 million Americans with more than 5 million new cases each year. HPV is the leading cause of cervical cancer. It is also associated with oral cancer, cancers of the vagina, penis, anus, head and neck, and genital warts.
The seriousness of HPV and other STIs underscores the significance of God’s design for sexuality to human wellbeing. Thus, Focus on the Family affirms – above any available health intervention – abstinence until marriage and faithfulness after marriage as the best and primary practice in preventing HPV and other STIs.
This said, two pharmaceutical manufacturers – Merck and GlaxoSmithKline – have developed HPV vaccine products that are currently being tested. Merck’s vaccine provides immunity for four subtypes of HPV and is intended for use by both men and women. GlaxoSmithKline’s vaccine targets two strains of the virus and is intended for women only. U.S. Food and Drug Administration approval is necessary before either vaccine will be available to the public. At this point, testing indicates that both vaccines are safe, effective and cannot cause HPV infection.
Recognizing the worldwide detriment to individuals and families resulting from HPV, Focus on the Family supports and encourages the development of safe, effective and ethical vaccines against HPV, as well as other viruses. The use of these vaccines may prevent many cases of cervical cancer, thus saving the lives of millions of women across the globe.
Therefore, Focus on the Family supports widespread (universal) availability of HPV vaccines but opposes mandatory HPV vaccinations for entry to public school. The decision of whether to vaccinate a minor against this or other sexually transmitted infections should remain with the child’s parent or guardian. As in all areas of sexual health and education, Focus on the Family upholds parents’ right to be the primary decision maker and educator for their children. The use of these vaccines should involve informed consent for parents as well as education for both parents and youth regarding the potential benefits and risks of the vaccine. In making this decision, parents should consider the following:
• No vaccine is 100% effective against disease;
• There are more than one hundred sub-types of HPV and the current vaccines being tested are effective against, at most, four of these;
• The sub-types of the virus that these vaccines protect against are the cause of most but not all cases of cervical cancer;
• The possibility of HPV infection resulting from sexual assault, including date rape;
• The possibility that young persons may marry someone previously exposed to and still carrying the virus;
• The HPV vaccines do not protect against other STIs or prevent pregnancy;
• The HPV vaccines do not, in any circumstance, negate or substitute the best health message of sexual abstinence until marriage and sexual faithfulness after marriage.
Focus on the Family does not endorse a particular HPV vaccine product or manufacturer.

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"Perhaps I am interjecting my own thoughts"

... Were you? Because I thought perhaps you were interjecting mine! Beautifully and gracefully put, thank you for putting those thoughts down. Thank you also for the term "Deist" - I now have something more concise to reply when someone has the gall to ask what I "am".

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Interjecting your or A.K's thoughts? This is ludicrious, it is clear, Your and A.K's and any other self righteous atheists or "Apost8"s first original thought died of loneliness.

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I think it is great that this vaccine has been created. A close girlfriend of mine caught HPV from her long- term boyfriend in college. He did not know he was carrying the virus, and she did not know she had it until she was screened a few years later during a routine check-up. Being able to protect onesself from viruses such as this is a breakthrough. Seriously, women who are going to be promiscuous without protection are already doing it with AIDS, STDs and pregnancy to worry about, genital warts isn't going to be the breaking point. Get serious.

I am not worried about nutty right wing fringe groups. They are a minority, but a very loud one. They are always going to harp for abstinence, but have no legal right to prevent a private drug company from developing a vaccine, nor to prevent the approval and distribution of it.

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...that true Christians are the ones you have to ask before they'll tell you. I debated at least one kid about his Christianity when I was in school. Looking back on it, I'm a little ashamed of that, because he wasn't exactly Billy Graham, just a faithful person.

Anyway, it's the same old argument they use over condoms and abortions; these twisted old fruits can't help imagining that the streets would be filled with rutting people if they got the chance. Now, they're opposing vaccinations? How about we oppose the teaching of religion in school because it tells children to go forth, be fruitful and multiply?

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Yes, it does seem that only women are targeted by the "Christian Right", who seem to me to be neither Right nor Christian. I don't recall a bit of uproar over Viagra- how do they know that "gasp" unmarried men aren't using it? Why did the Christian Right not concern itself that it might encourage sex outside of marriage? It's only when it comes to women- contraception, emergency contaception, abortion, and now a cervical cancer preventative. I think as it (HPV) is something that is not transmitted through casual contact as is polio, whooping cough, and other diseases that are vaccinated against, it should likely be an optional vaccine- not required for school but definitely covered by insurance, medicaid, etc. If Christian zealots don't want to vacccinate their daughters, let them sacrifice their health and well-being. The rest of us can protect ours.

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Those in the Christian Far Right who devote their efforts to stopping lifesaving measures seem to hate closing off any avenue of divine retribution. In blocking education of basic sexual hygene and in denying protective measures, they promote unwanted pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases. Is it that they like seeing God bring down his wrath on hapless sinners? Are they loathe to allow the intervention of science, medicine or education to stand in His way?

Isn't it wonderful when we can point to those who suffer pain, humiliation , disease and death, and say authoritatively that it was the victims' own sins that brought it upon them? Eliminate the root causes and there will be no beacon to highlight the wickedness of others.

Somehow, some see the promotion of human misery as a way to glorify God.

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We of the Christian Yarwall Hi Heffer congregation will have congress pass laws which make cutting and disposing of any human dna the same as murder. Every human cell carries DNA which given proper nourishment and care, can grow to be a healthy living Christian with a soul. All cells must be saved and stored and nourished to fruition. And those who would cut thier hair and discard it, or cut thier nails and discard it, or peel thine faces and discard it, or have liposuction and discard it, or spit thier saliva in the street shall be known as murderers and condemed to death by public stoning.

Jesus said that whosoever twist his teachings shall be as an abomination.

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Conservatives are in an uproar about a vaccine that could prevent their daughters from dying. They seem to think it will give their girls a green light to have sex. Frankly I don't see any reason that this vaccine should be mandatory. I, for one, would run not walk to get my daughter (if I had one) vaccinated. To suggest that schools should NOT require vaccination is to invite return of disease. Most people think these childhood diseases are harmless. However my brother-in-law nearly died from measles as a child. Chicken Pox stays in your system and often emerges later as "Shingles." I had a case of it at a relatively young age and it is excruciating! I suffered weeks of pain and mine wasn't even a bad case. I think these people are nuts but they are their childrens' guardians. They will have to explain to their daughter with cervical cancer why they chose not to protect her. All the celibacy in the world won't help if the mate someone chooses was not. This is a ridiculous argument.

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Okay, let's consider this scenario. Cervical cancer is unique to women. There are one, maybe two cancers that are unique to men - testicular and prostate.
Let's say that they come up with a vaccine that can prevent prostate and testicular cancer. Would all the leaders of these so-called 'family values' group, object to this vaccine, because it might encourage men to behave 'immorally'?

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Someone pointed out there was no uproar over Viagra. Well, this is further proof that Christians are not trying to force people not to fornicate by denying them life-saving drugs. If Christians didn't complain about Viagra, why should they care about this stupid vaccine?

Here's the real reason why.

It's about one more infernal witch's brew of a vaccine that is worse than useless and will probably end up becoming mandator to go to school or college. Why is it worse than useless? It protects, supposedly protects, against only four out of 100 or more of the HPV strains of virus. Further, it introduces a virus into the body, a virus which will inhabit the cells and produce it's own DNA to reproduce -- living as a parasite, eventually killing the host cell. Anyone who reads up on how these vaccines are produced know that it's not just an inactivated microbe that's put into the body -- but a lot more, a literal witches brew. The end result? An overall weakened immune system.

Is this worth it to maybe, possibly prevent against a mere four strains of HPV virus? And if you are a Christian who prefers to protect against HPV by abstinance rather than relying on this vaccine -- why should you be forced to take it? And how is your refusal to get this vaccine going to put anyone else in danger?

This is a civil rights issue. One more outrageous monstrosity inflicted on people by the police state.

I say no to this vaccine. Just like the trumped up flu vaccine doesn't keep anybody from getting the flu, I doubt this vaccine prevents cancer. I just don't believe it. How do they know such a thing? How convenient that it only supposedly protects against four out of the 100 or more strains of HPV. So when thousands of women continue to get cervical cancer, in spite of this new "wonder vaccine" -- what a nice excuse to just say, oh well, it was one of the other viruses not covered by this vaccine that caused the problem.

It's all about making money and keeping people sick.

You people are such dummies! So naive. You believe anything somebody tells you who's wearing a white coat. And if it can add to your mindless hysteria and hatred against Christians, all the better!

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It's called, How to Keep People Sick and Make them Sicker and Dependant on Satanic Drugs and Toxic/Depleted/Fake Food.

Big Pharma -- who is married to the Factory Farm Food Industry, and whose government agency the FDA serves as the guard dog to their interests -- iis doing all the the censoring, and it's THEY who are the control freaks -- not Christians. Big Pharma is behind the big push to make a global police state that will prevent people from having access to vitamins and supplements and herbs, and will prevent small farmers from growing certain foods, and ensure that we eat and don't eat only what they say we can, and that we will be forced to take all their shots and vaccines. They want CONTROL; they want to ensure we must get a prescription from them (ie their certified doctors also known as official drug dispensers) if we want vitamin C pills. Where now we pay maybe $8 a bottle, we'd have to go crawling on our knees to a pill distributor for Merck or Eli Lilly (i.e. medical doctor) and beg for a prescription and then go get it filled for $150.

Check out Dan Quayle flashing the Illuminati hand signal on-line. (google it) He's a big shareholder in either Eli Lilly or Merck. Big Pharma is owned by the Illuminati, and they press for global policies that will ensure they get to keep people sick and that they use their so-called "wonder drugs." The Illuminati deals in legal and illegal drugs both -- and they are for the most part equally destructive to human health, mental and physical health. They destroy mental health altogether whether it's heroin, cocaine, prozac or ritalin. They destroy physical health. People who take the flu shots have a 1000 percent greater chance of developing Alzheimers than those who don't get the shots. We all know about the Vioxx and Beckstra travesty. The estrogen replacement therapy study had to be stopped midway because of all the women getting heart attacks. Congress had to pass a special law to protect these "poor" drug companies from being sued by people who get sick or whose chldren get sick and die from getting these satanic vaccines.

Do they care if people die? No, of course not. They think that's a nice side-effect, reduces the population, which is a fundamental goal of the lot of them.

My father died from his 'treatments' for his rhumatoid arthritis. He was a healthy, muscular man, but one who trusts doctors and if they told him to jump off a bridge he would. Over the years from taking their drugs his muscles all atrophied and he became weak and miserable. Finally he caught the common cold, and two weeks later he was dead. The most powerful antibiotics would not touch any of the germs that invaded him. And he had been one to never go to the doctor. He was very healthy. But corticosteroids destroy, utterly destroy, the immune system.

But as they say, it's "quality of life," not "quantity." Translation: "Take this pill. It will make you feel good for a few days or weeks. Of course it will kill you, but that's okay because it's quality, not quantity, that counts."

What it really is, is the Death Culture. This "quality of life" philosophy is straight out of the abortion mindset we've gotten used to, that human life is cheap. Nazi Germany started out the same way.

Margaret Sanger was a Nazi who believed in eugenics and to stop the poor from breeding. She saw birth control as a way to eliminate the less desirable and "unfit" races and underclass.

If you want to live and be healthy, avoid doctors. Simple.

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This is more hate propaganda. Now we can blame the Christian right for AIDs too?

As a matter of fact, it was the Democrats and Liberals who insisted that AIDs be treated differently than any other STD from the very beginning. Instead of tracking the sex partners, testing for it, doing anything whatever to prevent the spread of it, even to trying to keep it out of the blood supply -- this deadly and highly infectious disease was treated as though it were a case of the sniffles. Homosexuals were not even politiely ASKED not to give blood, let alone ordered by law not to. Remember the scandal over Bill Clinton, that when he was governor, authorized blood to be shipped to Canada for transfusions to hemophiliacs -- blood taken from prison inmates with AIDs.

It's the Liberals, who tend to be mostly Democrat, who treated this disease like a case of the sniffles because they didn't want to offend the homosexual lobby or appear not to be sexually liberated in any way.

Now you have the nerve to blame the religious right for this?

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Why should the vaccine be mandatory?

I am an atheist, progressive feminist to the left of a lot of people and yet I can't for the life of me understand why would vaccination of any kind be mandatory. What is the social value in taking away choice?

My oldest son is lucky to not be autistic but he got such a bad reaction from the MMRs I thought I was going to loose him. Then I find out that the pediatriacian lied to me when I asked if anything in those vaccines could affect my son what with his egg allergies. MMRs are harvest on egg yolks and anybody with a severe allergy to albumim can and will get a reaction.

My son got sicker for the rest of his life : He has 17 different allergy markers that basically puts him one step away from being the boy in the bubble. You would not know it nowadays given we homeschooled him so as not to futher compromise his immune system with vaccines and seasonal mini-pandemics that break out in schools. But it's been a fucking struggle and one that could have been averted had the pediatrician been more aggressive about finding out all his allergies BEFORE recommeding immunization. But a lot of people in the medical profession are automatons that would rather roll over to the insurance companies and pharmaceuticals.

Had I known then what I know now I would have waited until he was of school age (6 in NYC) before giving him any vaccination. Needless to say, we left the pediatrician practice and have a far more progressive family doctor.

But seriously, mandatory vaccines? I see it as an infringement on people's civil liberties to impose such a thing. What people don't get about the FDA is that big pharma has gotten away with doing the minimum amount of testing necessary to pass approval of a drug and once approved, they can tinker with the recipe of the drug or vaccine, substituting this for that without reporting it as long as it does not change drastically the patented formula and the paliative outcome expected from it.

So if you had sugar in a medicine and now have glycol, you really don't have to report it to the FDA. And yet, even though they are both sweeteners many people get allergic reactions from glycol. Toothpastes, being pharmaceuticals, are the best example of how pharmaceuticals tinker constantly with their drugs recipes and do not report it thanks to intellectual property laws. In the meantime, thousands of people around the world have allergic reactions that takes them months or years to figure out.

I know because I worked for 4 years at Colgate-Palmolive, developing the training materials for the consumer affairs reps and legal people who end up dealing with these reported cases and diffusing potential lawsuits to the company.

Liza Sabater, Publisher
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Mandatory vaccination in principle subverts individual choice in order to protect the population as a whole. Most of the other mandatory vaccines, however, protect the majority if and when the individuals who make up that majority would be unnable to sufficiently protect themselves otherwise. By contrast, except in cases of rape, such individuals have a substantial vestige of personaly control over whether or not they're at risk for STDs, because individuals only become vulnerable to such an infection if and when they consciously decide to engage in sexual activity.

As a general rule, governments should protect people from one another, not from themselves. Stupid people ought to have the right to go down in flames as long as they don't hurt anyone else in the process. My right to swing my first only ends when said fist comes into contact with your face; if said fist never makes contact, then it's none of the state's business if I want to swing my arm around spastically until I pull a muscle.

Regardless, though, there is no evidence whatsoever to support the claim that vaccinating adolescents will affect their sexual choices. Concerns that widespread administration of anti-STD vaccines will promote sexual promiscuity are as ill-founded and ludcrious as stating that seatbelts encourage dangerous driving.

Perhaps vaccination should be optional but highly encouraged: Opting against could mean pricier medical insurance, or medical insurance plans that don't cover related treatment for those who refuse immunization and then contract HPV (avec all of its cancerous baggage).

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