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Stick Your Neck Out, America!

By Ray McGovern, AlterNet. Posted June 12, 2006.


Americans, for the most part, are blissfully unaware of our own power -- even as the claws of fascism creep steadily closer.
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Hope is here. The cold light of truth is piercing the cloud of lies conjured by Donald Rumsfeld and others about the war in Iraq -- even in the defense secretary's own bailiwick.

A matter of conscience …

Several months ago, U.S. Army 1st Lt. Ehren Watada decided that U.S. involvement in Iraq is illegal and immoral. Like so many of us, Watada concluded that intelligence was manipulated to "justify" the invasion. Unlike so many of us, he has had the courage to stick his neck out and pay the price for resistance.

We should, I suppose, give the neck its due. It is a pleasant thing -- a convenient connection between head and torso. We do not risk it out of caprice. But if there is nothing for which we will risk that neck, then it has become our idol. And necks are not worthy of this status. Finally, an active duty U.S .Army officer has refused to engage in that kind of idol worship.

No publicity seeker, Watada earlier this year quietly submitted a request to resign from the Army. The request was denied. He then refused to deploy to Iraq with his unit this summer and is prepared to face prison rather than violate his conscience. Meanwhile, he fully expects the kind of ostracism encountered by those few Army enlisted men who objected to the torture at Abu Ghraib. In what might well be the understatement of the month, Watada says he may be "the most unpopular person at Fort Lewis."

… and a gift for Dan Berrigan

Watada may not realize this, but he has presented a pearl of great price to longtime war resister, Jesuit priest and poet Dan Berrigan, who celebrates his 85th birthday this weekend in New York. Facing ridicule and ostracism for acting on their principled opposition to the war in Vietnam, Dan and his late brother Phil were no strangers to prison -- or to profound disappointment at the dearth of those willing to witness in the way of Watada.

In "No Bars to Manhood," Dan wrote:

"Of course, let us have peace," we cry, "but at the same time let us have normalcy, let us lose nothing, let our lives stand intact, let us know neither prison nor ill repute nor disruption of ties …" There is no peace because there are no peacemakers. There are no makers of peace because the making of peace is at least as costly as the making of war -- at least as exigent, at least as disruptive, at least as liable to bring disgrace and prison, and death in its wake.
Dan Berrigan will be encouraged by Watada's resistance. And so, I hope, will Faiza Al Araji, one of the courageous Iraqi women who came to the United States in March to give firsthand testimony to the suffering of the Iraqi people. Executive manager of Arab Water Treatment Co., Faiza is a highly educated engineer who took a month off to appeal to U.S. citizens to do something to end the tragedy of her people.

I had the privilege of sharing speaking duties with her on several panels arranged by progressives in California. It was painful. Faiza would pour out her heart, only to be met with expressions of sympathy -- and impotence. After three successive days of this, she found a way to express her outrage without wearing out her welcome. We were in Santa Cruz, Calif., speaking to a standing-room-only audience. After Faiza's account of the horrors being experienced by her people elicited the all-too-familiar, hand-wringing moans of "What can we do?" she lost it.

Candid sharing …

Returning to her seat next to me on the panel, she grabbed my notebook and filled the top page with what she really wanted to say. Her poignant words, as she wrote them:
So, Iraqis are in the middle between American people who don't know what to do always? An American administration who had plans to war and never listen! Where is the key to help poor Iraqis?
In the beginning of my meeting I feel sad for American people but after passing of time my people are dying and Americans still asking stupid questions like 'What can I do?'
I feel sick.
Faiza could see it. We are, for the most part, blissfully (perhaps studiously?) unaware of our own power -- the power we still enjoy as Americans, even as the claws of fascism creep steadily closer. We in the dominant culture often feel impotent, despite the power of our inherent privilege. Perhaps it's a subconscious thing. Maybe we prefer to remain in denial because, otherwise, we would have to look in the mirror and decide whether we have the courage to put that power into play.

… and becoming aware

At the Servant Leadership School in Washington, D.C., we are constantly grappling with the debilitating accoutrements of white privilege and unexplored racism. At one point an African-American trainer threw up his hands, looked at us, and -- as calmly as he could -- explained:

"If someone has their foot on my neck, I will say once, please get off my neck. If you continue to stand on my neck and explain how you didn't know you were there and why you were there and how difficult it is to move, I cannot be nice about it any more. It's not about conversation; in the end it's about getting your foot off my neck."

And so, we are back to necks. We must stop the handwringing and find ways to get our country's foot off Iraq's neck.

What can we do? Get together with a few friends and figure it out! If we were willing to put something on the line, if we were willing to stick out our own necks, as Lt. Watada has done, things could change.

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Former CIA analyst Ray McGovern is co-founder of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. In a public forum last month he confronted Donald Rumsfeld directly about the lies he has told about the war in Iraq.

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Article has a hidden pro-war bias
Posted by: nbrown on Jun 12, 2006 12:37 AM   
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I know some people will dismiss my claim out of hand -- life's easy that way -- but it won't stop me from expressing myself.

This article has a hidden pro-war bias. Its bias comes in the form of whitewashing the Democratic Party's support for the Iraq war. By focusing only on the Repugs, the author encourages a shift of power from one pro-war party to another. Thus, preserving the "war effort."

How does the Democratic Party support the war? you ask. Good question. Although a slight majority of Dems voted against the Iraq invasion, that vote has since been overwritten by new ones that fund the war in Iraq. And unfortunately, those votes are widly lopsided, sometimes even 100-0 in the US Senate to bomb and destroy Iraq.

Some people say, "But Bush tricked the Dems into voting for the war!" Let's take that at face value: George W. Bush, who is as dumb as a sack of rocks, "tricked" the Democrats? Have a little self respect.

But then there's the problem of Hillary Clinton -- she voted FOR the war. If it's true Bush lied about the intelligence, and Clinton knew otherwise, why did she vote for the war in Iraq? What a sick and twisted bitch!

And then there's Ted Kennedy -- after deciding Iraq is "Bush's Vietnam," as he puts it, that's when he started voting to fund the war in Iraq. What's that -- a Democrat voting for another Vietnam? Please don't try to spin -- just admit Kennedy is either a liar or a lunatic or both.

I am not trying to divert the argument away from the insanity of the Republican Party. I merely wish to point out that both parties are in league with eachother on the war.

The partisan connection people have to the Democratic Party is a tragedy for the antiwar movement. It means there can be no serious resistance, and thus no end, to the war.

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Ozymandias
Posted by: Ozymandias on Jun 12, 2006 12:43 AM   
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5068606.stm

All compassion these Yanks – Suicides at Guantanamo described by the Kommandant as ‘Act of war’ –

‘The bastards were never put on trial as we did not have the evidence to take them to court – but by God they’ve proven themselves guilty by killing themselves – NOW we have the evidence we need for all the world to see – and we’re now gonna put the evil sonna bitches in front of a military tribunal and bang ‘em up for life’

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Ozymandias
Posted by: Ozymandias on Jun 12, 2006 12:43 AM   
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5068606.stm

All compassion these Yanks – Suicides at Guantanamo described by the Kommandant as ‘Act of war’ –

‘The bastards were never put on trial as we did not have the evidence to take them to court – but by God they’ve proven themselves guilty by killing themselves – NOW we have the evidence we need for all the world to see – and we’re now gonna put the evil sonna bitches in front of a military tribunal and bang ‘em up for life’

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For their fellow soldiers
Posted by: YeahOKyourRight on Jun 12, 2006 12:47 AM   
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When asked how he can justify serving in Iraq, when he knows about the lies, greed, and injustice that make up this war, one soldier told me that he feels that he needs to, in order to help bring home his fellow soldiers alive. I see this as pure BS, mind control stuff used by the military to control troops. I'd like to see many, many more troops absolutely refuse to serve in this war. It seems to me that any US soldier could legally defend the position that an order to deploy to an illegal occupation is an illegal order. It is the duty of a soldier to refuse an illegal order. The best thing any of these people can do to help their fellow soldiers is to show them that it is possible to refuse.

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McGovern Is Telling it Straight
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 12, 2006 2:35 AM   
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McGovern is a former CIA anlayst for the Reagan-Bush Administration. He knows what he's talking about.

I heard him on the Alex Jones Show (GCN Radio On-Line) on Memorial Day. He predicted Bush would invade Iran end of June, beginning of July. He said this period of time in our history is the MOST DANGEROUS TIME WE'VE EVER BEEN IN. He knows how these people think, and he said the NeoCONs know full well they are looking at jail, so their intent is to keep one step ahead of us, keep us off-balance, bring in WWIII and the NWO before we have time to get our sea-legs under us.

We don't have time to frog around. There are more of us than there are of them. Zogby already polled and showed over half the population thinks 9/11 was an inside job. We just all need to wake up and realize that we're not alone in our fear and loathing of Bush and the NeoCONs, that we are sick of Globalism and the New World Order is their idea, not ours.

We must at least get bumper stickers for our cars.

We need to keep hammering on the 9/11 theme -- that 9/11 was indeed AN INSIDE JOB. Keep pointing to Building 7 which WAS NOT HIT BY ANYTHING.

A government which would use controlled demolition to destroy its own commerce and thousands of its own people are criminals, gangsters, need to be IN JAIL. Bush and the NeoCONS committed these crimes in order to bring on war, mayhem, death and a police state -- the New World Order.

The plan is to BRING DOWN THE UNITED STATES.

I mean, it's their PLAN.

Warn, warn, warn. Speak up. Go to the streets.

For God's sake, at least get a bumper sticker for your car.

Alex Jones documentary: 9/11- Road to Tyranny
HERE

Loose Change II (another fantastic documentary on the Net about 9/11 being an inside job)
HERE

Scholars for 9/11 Truth will answer ALL your questions.
HERE

Alex Jones interview of Charlie Sheen:
HERE

Listen to Alex Jones M-F here at noon and 10 pm EST
HERE


The Franklin Cover-up (how our government leaders are pedophiles who use little boys brought in from Boys Town. A documentary made to be aired on the Discovery Channel but bought off and silenced) HERE


Great Bumper Stickers to help get the word out

HERE

Click below to listen as Joan Veon tells you how we have already been merged with Mexico!!
3/17/01 interview heard on the Geoff Metcalf Program
HERE

Joan Veon and the Women's International Media Group
HERE

Also see: SUMMIT OF THE AMERICAS
HERE

Chemtrail video
HERE

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» THE TRUTH WILL SET U.S. FREE Posted by: resistance6
ANOTHER GREAT SITE FOR BUMPER STICKERS
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 12, 2006 3:01 AM   
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This site is even better than the one I posted above. I just found it. These may cost a bit more, haven't checked the prices. The ones I posted above are only 65 cents apiece if you order 100. You can mix and match. I ordered a whole bunch of them and then gave them away. I'll be ordering more. We need to speak up. Call up the "conservative" talk radio stations and back them into a corner on 9/11. Once America rubs the sleep out of our eyes and shakes the cobwebs out of our brains about 9/11 we may have a chance to save our country and take it back from the police state and the NWO!

Get a bullhorn and take to the streets. Make flyers. Send the llinks to Loose Change and Alex Jones documentaries like 9/11-Road to Tyranny. Warn, warn, warn. Now's your BEST chance to stand up. We may never have another!


Liberty bumper stickers:
HERE

Also, check out these cartoons from Alex Jones website INFOWARS.COM. Especially the first one, "The Decider" is priceless. They all are actually.



HERE

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» Smart people aren't evil. Posted by: resistance6
an opportunity to stick your neck out
Posted by: Arvy on Jun 12, 2006 4:15 AM   
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Want to stop the Bush family getting EVEN richer, help the environment AND improve the life of working people in Chile?
I was sent an email petition to sign, please google this: "PASCUA LAMA" and sign (or request) the petition.
Maybe all the frustrated energy of the Alternet contributors can be put to some good use!

(here's an email contact if you can't find the petition: noapascualama@yahoo.ca)

Thanks

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» Hello, YOU Won! Posted by: feller
Do the right thing.
Posted by: AlanSmithee on Jun 12, 2006 4:22 AM   
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Go to Voters For Peace. Sign the pledge.

"I will not vote for or support any candidate for Congress or President who does not make a speedy end to the war in Iraq, and preventing any future war of aggression, a public position in his or her campaign."

It's the least you can do.

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Sticking my neck out
Posted by: wawa on Jun 12, 2006 4:39 AM   
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"If enough Christians followed the gospel, they could bring any state to its knees." - Father Philip Francis Berrigan

As a Christian who follows the Philosophy of Christ, I am
running for Congress with the light of truth and hope for a future.

The story is on the WAWA BLOG:
A Spiritual Journey and Public Action

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No far enough
Posted by: joncehart on Jun 12, 2006 4:50 AM   
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I am deeply moved that the problem of PASSIVITY--the refusal, out of fear, to put your neck out--is so perceptively recognized and publicly described.

I would carry McGovern's point a big step further:

There are many causes for the long-term oligarchic (sliding to fascist) state that we are in, but the most potent and loudest and deepest and most impactful is the passivity of the vast number of ordinary citizens. There can be no elite of any kind without this passivity. Democracy is a way of a people governing themselves that requires braod-based proactive, intelligent, and compassionate responsiveness on the part of the people to what is happening in their shared life. There is nothing more important politcally than developing this kind of citizenry.

Thanks.

joncehart

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Listen to the message, don't trash the messenger
Posted by: hagwind on Jun 12, 2006 5:15 AM   
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If anyone's looking for more examples of how USians justify not sticking our necks out, there are some good ones in this thread. Ray McGovern's calling for us to put our necks where our mouths are (which, physiologically speaking, shouldn't be all that difficult), and how do some people respond? "He worked for the CIA." "He worked for the Reagan and Bush administration." So effing what? He's saying pretty much what Henry David Thoreau said. (Yeah, I know: dead white guy, didn't especially like small children, etc.) Trashing the messenger in order to avoid hearing the message is a stuff of politics as usual in the U.S. of A. No wonder we're spinning our wheels (on other people's necks).

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» Mea culpa Posted by: hagwind
Strategy matters - all the good intentions in the world won't change a thing
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jun 12, 2006 5:30 AM   
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It seems that many in the antiwar movement have forgotten or never learned how to strategize. It's good to remember there is a moral basis for taking action, but what kind of action?

First, you want to make sure you have good information - a real challenge here in this country, but that's the basis of any intelligent strategy. The massive disinformation programs put in place by Rumsfeld, Rove and friends shouldn't be underestimated - look at the lengths they've gone to to keep images of the Iraq war and the human devastation from the US people; look at how few people understand the 'economic and strategic' reasons the US went to war - leading to the conclusion that segments of our national media are as much to blame as the Bush Administration for the war in Iraq. The Judith Millers of this war are just as bad as the Stephen Cambones and Richard Perles.

Second, you've got to support political candidates, but not blindly. A vote for the war is understandable if you believed that Saddam had nukes, as Bush & Rice said over and over, and the media repeated like good little lapdogs without bothering to check the facts. The media also spewed forth the lies about 9/11 and Al Queda involvement in Iraq, and refused to mention Iraq's oil or to even discuss the notion of central banks switching their reserves from dollars to euros. However, Democrats who continue to support the war now that the real story of lies and Rendon-style deception has been revealed should be dumped, hard.

You can be pretty sure that any effective antiwar group is going to be targeted by undercover police officers working with the FBI and other government agencies; that may seem scary but keep in mind that this was going on for years in the late 60's - early 70's, and as long as you obey the law and aren't drawn into stupid / violent / illegal activities, you won't have problems. You can always look at it as an opportunity to expose illegal domestic spying, as well.

Finally, remember that the most effective speakers against war are the ones who've been there, seen it with their own eyes, and actually know what's going on.

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We need this first
Posted by: nickprogresss on Jun 12, 2006 6:31 AM   
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We need to keep this open communication channel if we are going to save the country. Watch this short video called The Death of The Internet?.

It exlpains how the Internet may soon be more structured, like TV is.

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Save the Internet First Won't Work.
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 12, 2006 6:41 AM   
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I agree the Internet is in danger.

But if we don't do something we won't be here to use the Internet.

So it's not a matter of which first. Do not put up doing something NOW about the situation of the police state, the impending invasion of Iran.

The concentration camps are there. They are building MORE of them as we know. These camps are for US -- ordinary American people.

The plan is to KILL A LOT OF PEOPLE. They cannot bring in the NWO with a strong America. The plan is to take down the good ol' USA and to do it fast and to do it soon.

This pot is boiling away on the front burner. Don't try to pretend it's a back-burner issue. It's not.

So do what McGovern says -- STICK YOUR NECK OUT AND STICK IT OUT NOW.

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IF WE DON'T TAKE TO THE STREETS WE WILL LOSE OUR LIVES AND OUR COUNTRY
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 12, 2006 7:06 AM   
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The international gangsters/NeoCONs/Illuminati do their unspeakable evil deeds under our noses because they think we will never believe they would do such evil. But Zogby shows most of the people DO BELIEVE. They can only get away with what they do if there is great silence and indifference.

Missionaries to the Preborn is one small church in Wisconsin. They go out with bullhorns and huge pictures of aborted babies. They pass out literature at strategic places where the traffic is backed up. They stand at overpasses and unfurl huge banners. With 40 people they will go on tours that last two weeks and hit three towns and cities a day with their message.

They know the media will never tell the truth about abortion, so they just took their message to the street.

This is what we need to do with our message about 9/11 being an inside job. We don't even have to convince people. They already either know this is true in their heart-of-hearts, or they are already outspoken in this belief.

This message must be made public, and the more public it's made the more people will rouse out of their hopelessness.

There is strength in numbers. We greatly outnumber the neoCONs and those who are planning the destruction of America and death of most Americans. We need to flaunt ourselves for who and what we are -- OPPOSED TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER.

We want to show them that we know who they are. Once they know we know, they won't dare. They will run under a rock like a cockroach runs under the refrigerator when the kitchen light is turned on in the middle of the night.

Don't you understand what will happen if America goes to war with Iran in a few weeks? Don't you understand?

You may as well speak up now because YOU WILL NEVER HAVE ANOTHER CHANCE TO DO SO!

BTW, the links I'm putting up for bumper stickers are not my links. I don't know who these people are and I'm not making any money from selling any bumper stickers. I bought some from one group and the other group I just learned about from the Alex Jones show. The first group also sells enviromaniac bumper stickers and pro-abort bumper stickers. I am against these things. I am a right-winger conservative.

But the bumper stickers are good and say exactly what I want them to say regarding

IMPEACH BUSH

and

9/11 WAS IN INSIDE JOB/OUR NATION IS IN PERIL

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Two Choices: Self Destruction or Rejuvenation
Posted by: Riverside on Jun 12, 2006 7:24 AM   
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We are at the crossroads of this nation's destiny. As the horrors, grow and the denials and indifference prevail we daily come closer and closer to random rage and panic that will pit us against us and lead to self-destruction of this nation. Without immediate unity of we the people we will fulfill Al Qaeda wishes and consume ourselves without a shot being fired by the bin Laden boys.

We must set aside petty political and even religious disagreements and focus on home - America. If we lose America, then all those special interests political and religious become homeless and useless. The sooner we realize this the better chance we have to survive and thrive. So lets start the chant - Survive and Thrive And Save America.

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» Is Your Name Really Rodney? Posted by: feller
gramps
Posted by: gramps on Jun 12, 2006 7:32 AM   
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According to the guy who invented Fascism we are living in a fascist state now. "Fascism should properly be called corporatism because it is the marriage of corporation power with state power."

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» Absinthe is bad for you Posted by: feller
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Stop trusting the system. Stand up and be a man.
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 12, 2006 7:53 AM   
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I don't t hink we shold be counting on anybody to save us -- Republican or Democrat.

We need to count on ourselves, get out on the streets and speak up. Let the chips fall where they may.

We've been waiting for the Republicans and Democrats to save us for years. Have they done so? It just gets worse.

We need to wake up and do somehting OURSELVES.

Take responsibility. People would be shocked at what they would be able to accomplish if they would only try.

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» Takeover at the YMCA Posted by: feller
» RE: Takeover at the YMCA Posted by: gonzoskismet
Speak up? this is America as usual
Posted by: Ghoulman on Jun 12, 2006 8:22 AM   
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I do commend McGovern's honesty at taking Rummy to task and for speaking out. But common, this is a guy who served under Ronny Raygun... America was invading other nations and murdering them with impunity then too. Of course, Americans didn't care about Central America then anymore than Americans give a rat's arse about Iraqis today.

What's on TV?

This is how America has always operated. The fact that the current administration just doesn't hide it well is of no importance. After all, this is three years too late. The US will never leave Iraq. Iraq, previously one of the most modern and rich nations on the Earth, will remain under occupation for decades without proper water, electricity, or any other basic needs. Americans expect brown people to live in poverty, it's no surprise they accept what's happening in Iraq.

The USA is a culture of war. I mean, many of them are still fighting the Civil War. War is what America is about, it's an Empire after all. An Empire under God. If you doubt it you will loose your job. And that's the least that will happen.

Americans live in a country where the richest people on Earth live with some of the poorest. And then, make federal legislation to punish these people as "immigrants". What a joke. You want Americans to care for Iraqies? Americans dont' care about thier neighboors let alone people half a world away. Remember Katrina hitting New Orleans? The so called "free press" in America were afraid to refer to these fleeing people as refugees. Even today, these people wander around homless. There is still no confirmation on the number of people left to die over an entire week. The official count is something like 1300. You can bet it's actually much higher... but you can also bet Americans don't care.

What do Americans care about? Money. It's thier only religion.

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» We love ya Ronnie! Posted by: feller
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» First Person? Posted by: feller
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» RE: America is BANKRUPT Posted by: Ghoulman
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» RE: We love ya Ronnie! Posted by: Lincoln fan
» ^^^ conservative delusions Posted by: Ghoulman
» RE: ^^^ conservative delusions Posted by: resistance6
let's take a page from Coulter
Posted by: nor cal surfer on Jun 12, 2006 8:30 AM   
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gets press for her. perhaps if i stooped to ad hominem? ok. let's see how it would sound...

Bush is a war dodging wussy with the brain of a season pass Short Busser. he's a retard with a bodyguard, put in power by a Daddie who long ago whored his soul to the devil. contempt bred from day one for anyone other than himself, he was taught how to hate. never quite mastered how to fake. did master how to drink. people have said (a lovely leading heresay phrase borrowed from FOX news) that he used his stature to skim CIA cocaine shipments for Friday night blowouts (pun intended). easy to do. 'specially when Pops runs the CIA.

W. interestingly prides himself of being dump truck stupid. DoubleYew goes out of his way to mispronounce words most publicly educated 5th graders could nail upside down on a tire swing. he calls himself a Texan, yet is only by mailbox. in fact, of everything he claims to be, he isn't any.

he's obviously not smart. thinks 'nuance' is a French wrestling move. people have said that his speechwriters often burn the midnight oil seeking monosyllabic options for him to slur off his inebriated tongue (yes, another dirty secret: he's hitting the saucy-poo). explains why the Navy took away his nukulear (sic) suitcase. TardyDrunkPants might push the button thinking he's ordering takeout.

LittleBoy W. won't let anyone ride their bike in front of him. even Lance Armstrong had to pretend W. could drop him. now that's catchy! it does fit into the picture of W.'s swagger (patent pending). he tried to walk bow-legged like his western movie heroes, yet refused to ride an actual horse when Vicente Fox invited him to. that's catchy too!

Mister Mental Midget has had plenty of help, to be sure. Cheney's soul, long departed, has been replaced by an NSA automaton. no sense trusting the implementation of the NWO to anything less than a binary operation (read: bionic).

Perle is a reptillian shape shifter, a fellow Earth dweller from an alien race dedicated to exploiting humans for their slave labor. Throw in Condi (you can tell by looking into those bottomless black eyes), and a handful of other soul suckers currently attending day jobs at 1600 Penn Ave.

we've made it so easy for them. we've taken their medicine. swallowed their cheap tv, addictive drugs, all while focusing on money, an inanimate object w/no inherent value. we stood by while Ronald Reagan decimated public education in California: an experiment in stupidifying their only enemy: an edumacated publik. it worked pretty well. they rolled it out to the other 45 states.

people have said that another alien race is getting ready to bitch slap those reptillians into Time Out Corner. it's kinda like the block bully when you were 8. you 'member him? yeah. that 10 year old who was shaving, and could sneak his dad's Jeep out at night and not worry about getting pulled over cuz he looked old enough. yeah. he terrorized you on your way to school most days. made life hell. made you think there was no way around the torture. just when you thought he was right, and you were about to throw in the towel, you discovered every other kid in the neighborhood felt the same way. that's when you kicked him square in the nuts the next time he got in your way, and every other kid stood behind you. Goliath never saw it coming, thanks to hubris.

you see, Hubris is the achilles. Hubris is blinding. and Hubris is our friend.

of course, that's just what people are saying.

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» i step forward Posted by: nor cal surfer
well naturally
Posted by: Ghoulman on Jun 12, 2006 8:48 AM   
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Well naturally the Internet will be controled, that's how capitalism works. Why is anyone surprised?

The Internet is a product, just like analog frequencies are. The illusion that these things are "free" goes to show just how nieve people are. Technology is a commodity, just like everything else. If you really want to make it "free" you'd have to change the free-for-all corporations and governments enjoy in what is euphemistically refered too as the "free market".

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» Oops! Posted by: Ghoulman
» RE: well naturally Posted by: resistance6
FOCUS!
Posted by: Gisele on Jun 12, 2006 9:33 AM   
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I've spent many hours reading Alternet and though I'm not an American, I can FEEL the frustration, anger, and sheer terror of some of the writers here. But; I see something else too.

When the subject is about the war in Iraq and the lies that led up to it, or when it's about the well deserved impeachment of your executive branch...someone introduces other subjects like abortion, homosexuality, immigrants...etc. They successfully pull you away from the original subject for a time, and they are scattering you. It may not be intended that way (or it may who knows), but it works every time.

Standing outside the forest, I can see a tree or two. I want to see justice for all of you, but if you don't start to FOCUS on what has to be done first, it will never happen. First steps first:

1) Get the impeachment over with because your soldiers will never come home as long as Mr. Bush is president.

2) Bring your family members home.

Keep abortion, homosexuality, same-gender marriage, immigration and the host of other issues that people are distracting you with on the back burner until #1 is finished. You're being manipulated and it's working! FOCUS...STAY FOCUSSED!! One day at a time, one step at a time..in unison.

My sincerest respect to all of you, I wish you well in all things as you fight the good fight.

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» RE: FOCUS! Posted by: resistance6
» Not to mention... Posted by: kryptx
» You Are A Judge? Posted by: feller
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» Oh Canada! Posted by: feller
» RE: ^^^ racist twit alert Posted by: Ghoulman
» RE: FOCUS! Posted by: catfish
» RE: FOCUS! Posted by: Ghoulman
» RE: FOCUS! Posted by: Gisele
» RE: FOCUS! Posted by: Steven Wanzell
» RE: FOCUS! Posted by: mokidugway
» RE: FOCUS! Posted by: Samantha Vimes
Power to the (fill in the blank)
Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Jun 12, 2006 10:34 AM   
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Alas, one person tries to wrestle power away from our military. For his effort he is whitewashed, made to sit in a corner with a dunce cap on his head, dare to say what we're doing is wrong.
Those in power want to control a person or a group through fear, coercion, threats, etc. and the powerful do this because they are insecure, nervous, schizophrenic, xenophobic, whatever reason they believe, but power often corrupts.
And when an individual takes on the powerful they are often met with fierce resistance. It serves as a reminder do not take on the establishment. They'll make your life a mess.
The powerful are undone by their own power in the end. It's like that old saying "What goes up must come down."
Remember Napoleon, Caesar, Ramses II, Roosevelt, Stalin, Idi Amin......

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This is the crux!
Posted by: johnecolby on Jun 12, 2006 10:37 AM   
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Once you know what the effects of your actions and inaction is, how do you deal with the responsibility of your awareness. One can choose to remain in blissful denial, or throw up one's hands in an expression of powerlessness. Or, one can choose to sacrifice things, all the privileges we are afforded by the 'system', and resist.

The last moves us into unknown territory where everything we know can change in a moment. That's why so few willingly choose the last option unless they are desperate or the alternatives become untenable.

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» RE: This is the crux! Posted by: Steven Wanzell
» RE: This is the crux! Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: This is the crux! Posted by: johnecolby
» No Posted by: feller
what do you suggest?
Posted by: Shakti on Jun 12, 2006 2:48 PM   
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I have two kids and a career. I keep myself informed via blogs and Alternet, sign petitions, write letters to the editor every now and then, vote, and have marched in two peace demonstrations.

All this to no avail. What else can I do? Seriously. I am asking for suggestions.

I think we need leadership, progressive leadership. This will help us focus and will allow people like me to become more involved.

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» You're fence-sitting. Posted by: Steven Wanzell
» Pot-kettle moment? Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: Pot-kettle moment? Posted by: Steven Wanzell
» RE: Pot-kettle moment? Posted by: stevefoagardner
» RE: You're fence-sitting. Posted by: Shakti
» RE: You're fence-sitting. Posted by: stevefoagardner
» change, but not really change Posted by: Michelle
» Thank You! Posted by: Steven Wanzell
» i'm in the same exact boat as you Posted by: nor cal surfer
» RE: what do you suggest? Posted by: Lincoln fan
» RE: what do you suggest? Posted by: resistance6
» I will check it out. Posted by: Shakti
» RE: what do you suggest? Posted by: RamDar
» RE: what do you suggest? Posted by: RamDar
Americans are just fine.
Posted by: clntbrtn on Jun 12, 2006 3:32 PM   
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Actually, most Americans are quite aware of what is happening. It's just kooks like you that see spooks everywhere think you're so much smarter than everyone else.

Get off the street, put away your sandwich board, and go have a beer, or something.

Jeez... I'm getting so sick of all the alarmist, the-end-is-nigh rhetoric this side of the political spectrum spews forth on a constant basis.

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» You Are Deluded. Posted by: Steven Wanzell
» RE: You Are Deluded. Posted by: stevefoagardner
» RE: You Are Deluded. Posted by: Steven Wanzell
FAR BROADER THAN IRAQ!
Posted by: Steven Wanzell on Jun 12, 2006 4:08 PM   
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Sticking our necks out FOR ANYTHING is what we've been conditioned NEVER to do.

Iraq, and how we got there, is only one of many symptoms of our collective (and progressively) pacified and ignorant condition as a nation and a society.

I left years ago (sacrificing what I'd been told was a "good life" in Beverly Hills), because I did not share the new "American Values" after all. Because AIDS is shortening my life, and I didn't want to pass the last years of my life just waiting. Waiting for a capricious, very UN-American "modern" US society to fight with me (and for me, and for all humanity).

I fight from abroad now, but I'm still fighting.

Steven Wanzell
artist/activist/ex-American
www.wanzellarts.com.ar

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» RE: FAR BROADER THAN IRAQ! Posted by: solrev
» Don't Rush Back Posted by: feller
» RE: Don't Rush Back Posted by: Steven Wanzell
I'm willing to stick my neck out
Posted by: owleyes on Jun 12, 2006 4:15 PM   
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So, you know, sign me up. I'll be at the next protest. Thanks to Alternet, I'm informed as fuck about Guantanamo and NSA spying, so I've done my civic duty there. If a drug dealer needs me to testify in court on his behalf, I'll probably do it. If an illegal immigrant needs to hide from the INS, she can come to my house. If a 16 year old girl needs an abortion, I'll help her get one. But if you're asking me to get together with my friends and stop the war in Iraq, I'm sorry, I just can't.

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» You Go! Posted by: Steven Wanzell
PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS SAYS WE WILL NUKE IRAN
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 12, 2006 6:25 PM   
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Nuking Iran

By Paul Craig Roberts

06/12/06 "Information Clearing House" -- -- John Bolton, a notorious neocon warmonger who could not be confirmed as America's ambassador to the UN by even the compliant and corrupt US Senate, got the job as a recess appointment. He is using the platform to push America into war with Iran.

Bolton told the Financial Times (June 9) that the Bush Regime has no intention of reaching an agreement with Iran. Time is running out for diplomacy, Bolton told the Financial Times. Iran has a short time remaining in which it can give up its right under the non-proliferation treaty to enrich uranium for nuclear energy or be attacked. Bolton said that US security guarantees for Iran "were not on the table."

There is no evidence that Iran has a nuclear weapons program. Every physicist knows that the enrichment requirement for weapons is many times greater than for nuclear energy and that Iran can barely achieve the latter. Despite the facts, Bolton told the Financial Times: "They've [Iran] got both feet on the accelerator, which is why we have a sense of urgency. Each day that goes by gives Iran more time to continue to perfect its efforts for mass production."

Bolton is lying through his teeth. Bush Regime lies about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction and propagandistic references to mushroom clouds convinced the befuddled American public to accept an illegal invasion of Iraq. The same collection of neocon war criminals is again deceiving the American public about Iran.

In his remarks to the Financial Times, Bolton shows himself to be extremely disturbed by the prospect that the diplomatic efforts of Europe, Russia, and China could undermine the Bush Regime's plan to attack Iran. Bolton is doing everything possible to make certain that there is no diplomatic solution.

To help undermine any prospect for peace in the Middle East, Israeli gunboats shelled a public beach and killed or wounded 50 Palestinians. This was done in order to provoke Hamas into abandoning the long-established cease-fire that Hamas had imposed in the interest of negotiating a Palestinian settlement.

The Israeli government succeeded, and now there will a resurgence of "Hamas terrorism" that Bolton and his neocon compatriots can use to build a frightening spectacle of Muslim terrorism.

The Bush/Olmert axis-of-evil have made it clear that "we don't want no stinking peace."

Writing in Antiwar.com (June 10), University of California Professor Jorge Hirsch explains the tripwire that the Bush Regime has laid for Iran in order to have an excuse to launch an attack on that country.

Just as the Bush Regime planned to attack Iraq and then orchestrated a case based on lies, the Bush Regime has already planned to attack Iran. Only this time nuclear weapons will be used.

Nuking Iran is an essential part of the attack plan. The US lacks the necessary conventional military force to invade and occupy Iran, but the use of nuclear weapons against Iran has a wider purpose. The neocons are determined not to have any more embarrassments, such as the Iraqi insurgency. By nuking Iran they intend to send a wider message that the US will use every means at its disposal to ensure its hegemony. The neocons believe that the use of nukes will convince Arabs and the wider world that there is no recourse to accepting America's will.

CONTINUED BELOW

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» okay ... Posted by: Shakti
» RE: okay ... Posted by: resistance6
» RE: okay ... Posted by: Shakti
» tangentially: I'm not a man Posted by: Michelle
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» RE: okay ... Posted by: resistance6
PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS -- NUKING IRAN CONTINUED
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 12, 2006 6:29 PM   
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Paul Craig Roberts on Nuking Iran (cont.)

The neoconservatives could not care less about public opinion. Neocons are contemptuous of the American people. Leo Strauss taught neocons that it was their duty to deceive the clueless American people in order to implement their agenda of global domination. The neocons believe that they have a perfect right, even the obligation, to manipulate the public through propaganda and black ops in order to create acceptance and support for their wars of aggression.

The neocons are the epitome of evil, and they have succumbed to hubris. Like Hitler when he attacked the Soviet Union, neocons believe that their manipulative skills and use of military power will carry the day for their agenda. Hitler's hubris doomed Germany to destruction. What price will America pay for neocon hubris?

When the neocon nazis nuke Iran it will revive memories in Japan and break the US-Japanese alliance. Japan owns enough US Treasury bonds to be able to destroy both the US dollar and the market for Washington's endless red ink. Russia, China, India, and even our European lackeys will have it forcefully brought home to them that the US is an out-of-control rogue nation. They will unify against us. Most likely our bought and paid for puppets in the MIddle East will fall, and Islamic leaders will gain Pakistan's nuclear weapons. Al Qaeda will gain tens of millions of recruits.

Francis Fukuyama's phrase, "the end of history" takes on new meaning.
Paul Craig Roberts [email him] was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration.

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Just thought I'd put this up since so many people doubt we are going to nuke Iran. Ray McGovern stated on Memorial Day on the Alex Jones show that he saw us attacking Iran end of June, beginning of July, that the neoCONs have to keep ahead of hte people because they are running scared because Zogby shows the people are on to their evil deeds regarding 9/11.

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World War Us?
Posted by: bogtrotters on Jun 12, 2006 7:18 PM   
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If we don't stop creeping fascism in America, as well as our aggression abroad, will it take a Grand Alliance like the one we joined in World War II to stop us? Remember how we were the good guys once upon a time?

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» Way Back Then Posted by: feller
» Hussein was put in power by the USA Posted by: chief of okeefe
Really 'Sticking Yer Neck Out' 4 Liberals
Posted by: fairleft on Jun 12, 2006 7:24 PM   
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It's always the other people, "Americans (except for good liberal me)" who are the problem, who have to get off their assses. But what does sticking yer neck out mean to a liberal? Really sticking yer neck out, I mean.

I think it means challenging the politically correct, separatist thinking which alienates the majority of Americans away from the Democratic Party.

We all know we should have a society that values and rewards people based on their skills and character and not on their ethnicity and gender, right? But the Democratic Party and all 'good, scared' liberals is against that.

We all know that America's most in need are its working poor (who are more likely to be brown or black than higher income classes), and their already struggling economic lives are really hurt by allowing massive illegal immigration into the US. And the Democratic Party and all 'good, scared' liberals are in favor of that.

Think about it, or 'stick yer neck out' into something easy guys and gals. Yeah, sign another online petition, that'll get the job done.

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FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN A QUANDARY ABOUT WHAT TO DO
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 12, 2006 9:18 PM   
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What to do? You need a leader in this endeavor?

Listen to Alex Jones . The man is a true leader. He's got guts, and he works tirelessly day and night, and has for the past 12 years, to fight the NWO. He's only 32. Hard to believe. You want some leadership, some direction, some inspiration, an example of courage? Tune in and listen to him. He is unlike any persona I've ever heard, brilliant, passionate, sincere, and has more guts than any hundred men combined.

He is absolutely fearless and knows what to do.

If public opinion mounts against the neoCONs they will be stymied. Public opinion is US -- and we can do what we can do to influence it.

Bumper stickers may sound wimpy but they are a start. It's amazing how many people are skeered to put one on their car lest somebody think they're a "tarrist" as Bush calls them.

Get some guts. Speak up. Don't shrug your shoulders and act helpless. There's a LOT you can do.

I posted link to Alex Jones Radio Show above, also places to order bumper stickers . Tell them to rush them and order enough for your friends. Go to Radio Shack and buy a bullhorn . Print up some flyers about 9/11 and pass them out on the street . Get the links to the documentaries Loose Change and 9/11-Road to Tyranny , and send the links to your friends on the Internet. Urge them to watch them. Call your friends on the phone and speak these words: 9/11 was an inside job." You will feel a surge of strength and enablement just saying the words out loud to someone. Don't be afraid. Even if someone protests that it's not so, not so, not so -- just be calm and say it is so. Remind them of Building 7 that fell without anything hitting it at all.

Once people are willing to accept the truth that our own government brought down the buildings in NYC, killed all those people, then enlist them to speak up to save our country, that these monsters are ready to start dropping nukes on Iran.

Turn off the freaking television set . This is a tool used by these same devil-worshipping Globalists to mesmerize, confuse, control the populace. Just turn it off. You don't need it. Spend your time instead watching the videos on-line and contacting your friends online to wake them up. Get busy and DO SOMETHING, ANYTHING.

Call your congressmen. They say a phone call has a lot more impact than an e-mail or a letter. Write and e-mail them also. Can't hurt. If you turn off the TV you'll have a lot more time to do things that can and will make a difference.

Alex Jones documentary: 9/11- Road to Tyranny
HERE

Loose Change II (another fantastic documentary on the Net about 9/11 being an inside job)
HERE

Scholars for 9/11 Truth will answer ALL your questions.
HERE

Alex Jones interview of Charlie Sheen:
HERE

Listen to Alex Jones M-F here at noon and 10 pm EST
HERE

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» THANK YOU! Posted by: Steven Wanzell
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» Ummm... are you on crack? Posted by: thoughtcriminal
» RE: PR tactics and techniques???? Posted by: aurora2484
again so what?
Posted by: mom'z the word on Jun 13, 2006 10:04 AM   
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What is that? Not your problem? It is easy to cast stones....blah blah blah. Why is it that you don't have the guts to admit a difference of an opionion is o.k. All I am saying is that we have all the evidence we need to prove the current POLITICAL party in power is killing us. We don't need more proof we need action to remedy the situation. We are not going to remedy the situation by beating a dead horse. So lets move on and get the hell on the right track. Enough already. Time to fix things.

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Meet Ray McGovern & Alex J. @ L.A. Conference
Posted by: aurora2484 on Jun 13, 2006 8:10 PM   
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Meet Ray McGovern, Alex Jones, and others who share these concerns, at the American Scholars Symposium in L.A:

www.americanscholarssymposium.org/



http://www.americanscholarssymposium.org/

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Ceann-cinnidh
Posted by: Eochaidh on Jun 15, 2006 10:06 AM   
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1. The U.S. is the only Super Power left standing in the world. 2. The U.S. is the most powerful country in the world. 3. The U.S. had the best government in the world with an independently elected two-chamber Congress and an independently elected Executive branch. 4. The U.S. installs a PARLIAMENTARY form of government when it commits "Regime Change," not its form of government. What's with that????

Not to be cynical, but to be honest, the parliamentary form of government is much more similar to the corporate form of governance used by "big business" than is our form of government. Outside of the countries of Venezuala and Italy, the employees of big businesses do not elect their CEOs. The Boards of Directors do. The Boards of Directors are elected by the rich share holders, not the employees. Parliaments elect Prime Ministers who owe their allegience to the majority party in Parliament whose party members were financed by rich people and big business. They do not owe their allegience to the electorate. The same is said about many of our politicians in the Senate and House of Representatives, unfortunately, even though our form of government is less similar to the business model.

The U.S. became the best country in the world by the time of the National Security Act of 1947 because it had, up until then, the best form of government.

Because the U.S. installs Parliaments when it commits Regime Change in spite of its history and because of its current situation, obviously, Regime Change is more accurately called, "Mergers and Acquisitions" and the people of Iraq are less Iraqi citizens than they are Iraqi employees.

The people in the State Department (or is it the Defense Department?) who set up new governments in the countries in which we commit "Regime Change" are either incompetent in Political Science paricularly in the area of American government or they're deliberately setting up corporations rather governments--in the name of Democracy. Are the Iraqi people, Iraqi consumers, Iraqi employees, Iraqi assets, or Iraqi citizens????

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Missing links for prior post
Posted by: RamDar on Jun 17, 2006 7:42 AM   
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Sorry about the missing links....not too good with HTML so here they are:
http://awakenme.bravehost.com
http://blog.myspace.com/welcometodarsworld
http://weblogs.freespeech.org/peacenfreedom/

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WHAT HAVE WE BECOME?
Posted by: Gtrpicker on Jun 17, 2006 11:10 AM   
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The fear mongering of the Republican War party (and yes it has been Republicans who have turned this into an art) over the last 30 years has turned Americans into cowards. We are afraid to ask questions about our government's policies, we are afraid to go out into the world on its terms, we are afraid of a bunch of religious zealots of both Muslim and Christian persuasion, we are afraid of young black men, we are afraid of young Mexican men. We are just pathetic. We are so afraid that we will kill that which we don't understand without thinking about using our intelects to engage in dialogue.

They don't hate us for our freedom, they hate us because we have been killing their children for 50 years.

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Pass the buck
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Jun 17, 2006 5:02 PM   
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What can we do? Get together with a few friends and figure it out!

This is a great solution. Get somebody else and their friends to figure it out. I object to people who pass the buck and think they've solved the problem. That's why I object to bumper stickers. Oooh, if we all put stickers on our bumpers maybe somebody else will do something. Well I put a "support our troops" sticker on my car. I did the hard part. Now it's up to somebody else.

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to do list
Posted by: tface1000 on Jun 18, 2006 9:48 AM   
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Find a local peace and social justice organization and support them.
Blog.
Read and LISTEN....arm yourself with the truth
Talk to your friends and neighbors
Take to the streets. March. Protest. Hold vigils. Get friends together, make some signs. Stand at a busy intersection for an hour with your signs.
Hold a peace festival. Incorporate it with a march, an art festival and speakers.
Organize/attend book signings and speaking engagements by progressives.
Attend activist training. Root Camp. Camp Wellstone Democracyfest.
PDA periodically holds excellent citizen lobbyist training that teach you how to effectively speak to your representatives.
Freeway blog

Call your representative
Write to your representative
Visit your representative.
Repeat.

Support peace candidates. Contribute. Participate in GOTV efforts.
Register voters. Be a poll worker. Become an election observer.
Run for office.
Work for election reform (which makes other reforms possible)
Join Progressive Democrats for America Don't have a local chapter? Start one
Hook up with your local Move On folks. Meet up!
March in a parade. I made a big peace sign out of a hula hoop and marched with the local social justice org in the Pride Parade last year. It cost me $5, took four hours of a Saturday, and 50,000 people saw me.
Table. You can table at concerts, community events, churches, parks.
Seek out the peace group at a local church. There are a lot of progressive churches doing good work. Find them.

Surround yourself with like-minded people. Empower yourself by realizing the strength in numbers and that there are MANY people who agree with your position.
Support the activities.of like-minded groups and ask them to support yours. Network!
Put a bumpersticker on your car, bulletin board, office door. Wear a peace button.
Join CodePink actions.
Join a United for Peace and Justice mailing list. If you don't find a local group that's part of the UPJ coalition, start one.
When Bush or Cheney are in your town, organize a protest. We got nearly a thousand people to line the sidewalk outside the hotel where Bush was staying when he was in town.
Plan your vacation around a large anti-war event. Last September I got to see Washington DC for the first time with half a million of my closest friends! While I was there I vistied both my senators and my representative to tell them what I think about the war.

Call the White House and give them your opinion. Repeat.

Be visible for peace. Be the voice of peace. Don't ever think your voice doesn't matter. Don't ever think your individual effort won't be enough. Every effort matters.

It has become a common feeling, I believe, as we have watched our heroes falling over the years, that our own small stone of activism, which might not seem to measure up to the rugged boulders of heroism we have so admired, is a paltry offering toward the building of an edifice of hope. Many who believe this choose to withhold their offerings out of shame. This is the tragedy of the world.

For we can do nothing substantial toward changing our course on the planet, a destructive one, without rousing ourselves, individual by individual, and bringing our small, imperfect stones to the pile. -Alice Walker

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Bil
Posted by: Bil on Dec 31, 2006 9:34 PM   
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