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Blame for Haditha Lies at Bush's Feet

By Scott Ritter, AlterNet. Posted June 8, 2006.


There is a leadership deficit in the Armed Forces today, and it begins with the commander-in-chief, President George W. Bush.

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Like many Americans, I have followed the events unfolding around the deaths of 24 Iraqis civilians in the Iraqi village of Haditha, and the roles and responsibilities of U.S. Marines in their deaths, with a mixture of anger, frustration, shock and horror. I start this essay with the premise that all are innocent until proven guilty, and will maintain that posture until the facts surrounding the incident have been fully investigated.

As a former Marine Corps officer, I have to admit to a certain bias in favor of the Marines. I personally believe all of the involved Marines should be punished to the full extent of the law if found guilty of the crimes they have been accused of. There simply is no excuse for the systematic murder of civilians.

However, the crimes that the Marines have been accused of, and the behavior required to carry out such crimes (both from the enlisted Marines and their officers) run so counter to the very fabric of the Marine Corps I was a member of that I have a hard time accepting the charges at face value. Many of my peers still serve in the Marine Corps today as battalion commanders, regimental commanders, or senior staff officers.

This is not a "new" corps of Marines that has somehow lost its way since I left active duty. This is my band of brothers, fellow warriors imbued with a spirit of service and sacrifice that endeavors not only to persevere on the field of battle, but also never bring shame or dishonor to the 232-year tradition that binds all Marines together.

War is a hard business, and those who wage war have to be hard people if they are to survive. The niceties of civilian life are set aside, and men (and, increasingly, women) are called upon to engage in action which runs counter to everything they have been taught as human beings and American citizens -- to take human life, effortlessly and efficiently, with little or no regard for those being terminated.

A target is just a target, and any delay in taking that target down can and will result in your becoming a target yourself. In war it is literally kill or be killed. Most civilians will never -- and therefore can never -- understand this phenomenon, and the mental and physical trauma it inflicts on those involved. Combat hardens a person and changes those who have engaged in it forever.

Because war is in and of itself so horrible, and the act of waging war so dehumanizing, there is a real danger of those involved suffering a complete breakdown of human sensibility, becoming so traumatized by the act of killing that they become desensitized to human suffering and death. Death becomes a narcotic, and the act of taking human life a drug that must be consumed over and over again.

War is a destructive force, no more so for those who participate in it as combatants. War becomes an addiction, and human detritus a common occurrence. As Michael Herr, the acclaimed writer who chronicled the Vietnam War in his book, "Dispatches," wrote: "Charging someone with murder in Vietnam is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indianapolis 500." In war, death becomes a daily fact of life.

The proclivity to become addicted to dealing death is one of the major reasons behind the laws of war. Adherence to the laws of war goes far beyond any legal obligation; once the bullets start flying, legal niceties go out the window. Adherence to the rules of law doesn't come from a sense of right and wrong that exists on the battlefield, but rather as a result of rules and procedures being drilled into the minds of those who wage war over and over again, until these rules, like procedures for fighting through an ambush, are branded into the minds and muscle memory of those pulling the triggers.

The rules of war are adhered to not because someone is thinking about doing the "right thing" on the field of battle, but because of the discipline which ingrained these rules into the very fabric of the warriors waging combat, and the leadership which continued to emphasize these rules once the forces became engaged in combat. The main reason it is so hard for me to believe that the Marines of 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment did what they are accused of doing in Haditha is that it runs counter to the discipline and leadership I know they were subjected to. If Haditha in fact occurred, something went very, very wrong.

It is far too easy to place blame, when things do go wrong in war, on a "few bad apples." The fact is, every soldier, sailor, airman and Marine in a theater of combat is a potential "bad apple" if denied the discipline and leadership necessary to maintain a certain standard of conduct in conflict. Every American who has seen the movie "A Time to Kill" knows that he or she, just like the Samuel Jackson character in that movie, would take the law into their own hands and kill anyone who subjected a child of theirs to the torment and suffering inflicted on the young girl in the movie.


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Scott Ritter served as chief U.N. weapons inspector in Iraq from 1991 until his resignation in 1998. He is the author of, most recently, "Iraq Confidential: The Untold Story of the Intelligence Conspiracy to Undermine the U.N. and Overthrow Saddam Hussein" (Nation Books, 2005).

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Partisan arguments leave out precious details
Posted by: nbrown on Jun 8, 2006 12:28 AM   
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First of all I'm glad you acknowledged that the murderers responsible for summarily executing children "should be punished to the full extent of the law if found guilty." But hey, this is only one sentence, followed by paragraphs of text designed to whitewash mass murder.

Do you not take personal choices seriously?

Also, do you even know the Democratic Party exists? If so, did you know they are jointly responsible for funding the war? I can't imagine you wouldn't know these things, and can only assume you consciously chose to excuse them of any responsibility. Shame on you!

Here is a timeline of Iraq war votes, for anyone interested. It includes direct links to US Senate and House voting records. See for yourself. The Dems are all over the war. And because of people like Scott Ritter, nobody knows: people are fooled into believing there is a political opposition to the war when there is not.

Want to end the war? Stop supporting the Democrats. You give them no incentive to stop funding the war by clinging on no matter what.

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From a War & Peace Professional
Posted by: IanA on Jun 8, 2006 3:09 AM   
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Scott Ritter is a professional of war and his UN inspection work in Iraq and much of his activism since has shown him to be a professional of peace too. I have no doubt he is an American who loves and continues to serve his country.

So for him to realise that "America has collectively walked away from the rule of law, and in doing so, has become the greatest perpetrator of war crimes in modern times." must be more painful than all the hardships and sacrifices he has faced in a long carrier of discipline and duty.

The entire world is aware of ignominious descent into "indifference of the American people". I can only hope that more Americans will wake up from their self delusion which is leading straight over the precipice to violent self destruction. If you cannot see the humanity in others you deny the humanity in yourself.

It seems that the joint influences of Europe, China and Russia has managed to hold the dogs of war back this time vis. Iran, but it is eventually up to the American people to restrain and dismantle the motor of imperialist aggression that is powering the country.

"Collectively" means every individual from Bush to the high school kid in Arkansas. There is no Partisan issue, it is an issue of moral and social values to be addressed by every American, how honestly wants to feel pride in their nation and not see it descend the corrupt way of fascist imperialist tyrannies.

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» RE: From a War & Peace Professional sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
sickofsleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Jun 8, 2006 3:52 AM   
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The first thing to assault my senses was the reported killing of Al Zarquawi. Doesn't THAT come at a convenient time for Bush. The ditto heads don't realize there are plenty more ready to step into the breach. Is anyone else skeptical that Qusai and Usai(sp) were killed and that is the real Saddam on trial? If the First Prevaricator told me the sun came up in the east I would look for a rosy glow

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» RE: sickofsleaze Posted by: aonghus36
» RE: Glad I'm not the only one. . . Posted by: peacefulaim
» RE: sickofsleaze Posted by: zombi
Bush is a war criminal
Posted by: custersbud on Jun 8, 2006 4:15 AM   
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The current occupant of The White House and his accolytes have been wildly successful in changing America into a country where the law is something you obey only if it fits within your agenda.

Bush and Cheney should be thrown out of office by whatever means necessary (I still prefer lawful means, but....) as soon as possible. Following that, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz should be arrested and brought before an international tribunal to face charges of crimes against humanity. They are all war criminals in the truest sense of the word.

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» RE: Bush is a war criminal Posted by: woodford54
» RE: Bush is a war criminal Posted by: symcokid
truth
Posted by: rsaxto on Jun 8, 2006 4:53 AM   
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The truth of Iraq is effortlessly simple: It is a series of war crimes committed by warmongers and war criminals. We need to end the war by withdrawing all foreign troops from Iraq and then we need impeachment trials to uncover all details of all of the people who actively supported the war of whatever party, corporation or other group. The punishment for all should be confessions of guilt for all and then whatever additional measures will insure that this criminal activity never happens again. Then the world can know that justice in America is real justice.

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» RE: truth Posted by: mokidugway
» RE: truth and then some Posted by: rsaxto
itchyvet
Posted by: itchyvet on Jun 8, 2006 6:07 AM   
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Well Scott old buddy, up until now my position on you transigent, as one vet to another.
However your waffling on about how it's everyone's fault but the perpetrators, has destroyed any creditability you had with me.
I'm a Vietnam Vet and witnessed at first hand, the battle my fellow soldiers had, (myself as well) with coming to grips with outrageous behaviour we witnessed from our fellows once the fog of war was used to cloth actions.
Your sorry excuse of training, best troops, ect, ect, doesn't cut any ice with me whatever.
We had exactly the same scenario in Vietnam, we didn't know who the enemy was, we also had our mates shot right under our noses and couldn't find an enemy to take retribution on, BUT, we didn't run amock and murder innocent civilians and babies or children.
We still had enough humanity within us to tell the difference.
So spar us the sob story, besides, the U.S. is ILLEGALLY in Iraq in the first instance, therefore committing the biggest crime of them all, against a nation who had not lifted a finger against them.
That, in my humble opinion, says it all.

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» RE: itchyvet Posted by: woodford54
» Are you from an alternate universe? Posted by: thoughtcriminal
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» RE: itchyvet Posted by: elewis
Culture of lawlessness
Posted by: brunowe on Jun 8, 2006 6:43 AM   
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Well-spoken. This is an administration that has, as one of it's guiding premises, the law doesn't apply to us. Torture, Gitmo, extraordinary rendition, unitary executive, warrantless wiretaps--These are the acts of an administration where anything goes.

US troops must be withdrawn from Iraq and, if the Dems retake either or both houses, thorough investigations must be made.

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» RE: Culture of lawlessness Posted by: canuckistani
as Zarquawi (or however his name is spelled)
Posted by: dkm on Jun 8, 2006 7:27 AM   
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The recent announcement of the death of the "master terrorist" in Iraq allows us to conduct what in science is termed a "natural experiment." We can now see how truthful the Bush regime was when they kept telling us that all our problems in Iraq were due to a small group of al Qaeda terrorists and once they were eliminated everything would be "tickety-boo." (To borrow a phrase)

Now the head has been cut off, supposedly, so if the Bush machine was giving it to us straight, we should see a massive decrease in attacks and maybe even a few petals strewn in the roadways. If they were just giving us a bunch of oral flatulence, then there will be either no difference or even an increase in hostilities and no flower petals.

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» Unfortunately... Posted by: aonghus36
Haditha-Abu Grab = Bush's War
Posted by: michaelo on Jun 8, 2006 7:31 AM   
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Haditha-Abu Grab = Bush's War
First Published RadioLeft
Fri Jun 02, 2006 at 06:34:22 AM PDT
Haditha-Abu Grab = Bush's War

By Michael O'McCarthy

opolitique@aol.com

"There is a war going on," is the constant Bush cabal rationale for all things undemocratic.

The Evangelical Christian, faux cowboy soldier, Bubba Bush, finally has his "bring it on" war brought home: In the face of F-16s, AC-130 Spectre gun ships, Hellfire-Missile-armed Predator drones, and Apache, Cobra, Lynx, and Puma helicopters, drones, and a vast array of armored personnel carriers the resistance has "roadside" bombs made from disparate armaments. This time one of them killed a well-liked Marine Corporal and Bush's other go to war mantra, "you are either with us or against us," offered the rationale for the Corporal's comrade's rage. The evidence is that they MAI LAI'd 24 civilians who obviously were not "with them."

michaelo's diary :: ::
Just days before a haggard, dissent-disdain-weary Bush was captured in a television interview saying he regretted selling Wolf Tickets to the Muslim warriors by proclaiming "bring it on." He didn't explain his regret but its not because he understands history ... after all, aside from the culture of oral story telling in his adopted south, and drunken anecdotes he may have heard during his practicing alcoholic days, Bush has no access to history: he doesn't read books and he disdains anything "intellectual."

If Bush did read history he would have known that the often used methodology of wars of resistance of the kind facing American troops in the middle east hail from the war of liberation in Algeria. Facing the well-armed fascist French colonials the weapons of that resistance were planted explosive devices with little or no regard for specifying individuals.

The Bush-Rumsfeld Pentagon response thus far to the alleged crime at Haditha and now others being brought to light, is a program of "core curriculum" seminars. The purpose of which is to remind in-country US forces that they are to treat Iraqis as people rather than the enemy, or, that some of them may actually be "with us..." Oh, and a "criminal" investigation of charges of "murder" against individual suspect Marines who may have been involved or who acted as accessories after the fact.

What continues to remain unabated is the obnoxious, toxic policy that the US has some right to remain in Iraq.

Its first line of supporters are the Bush Cabal, seconded by his minority, whacko, right-wing Evangelical base, third by that other 20-30 percent of Americans who vote all things White and Republican and lastly, and unforgivable, is that by the Republican Lite Democrats led by Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman who are so vested in the Corporate State and ITS foreign policy that they dare not and will not declare the United States guilty of the true nature of the crime being committed in the Middle East: War Crimes!

Michael O'McCarthy
First published @ RadioLeft.com

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Some footage the American media won't dare show
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jun 8, 2006 8:54 AM   
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Take a look at this film after reading Scott Ritter's article:

British reporter's epic in Iraq.

This is Vietnam, there's no other way to look at it. The lies, the incompetence, the situation the soldiers are in, the whole thing.

The presence of US troops is the main thing pushing the fundamentalist Islamic sector of the insurgency. The only solution is to begin pulling US troops out of Iraq and to begin negotiating a peace with the secular elements within the insurgency, while doing everything possible to limit the power of the fundamentalist Islamic lunatic sectors of the insurgency.

Recall the Vietnam experience? At first, 'negotiations with terrorists' were ruled out entirely. Later on, negotiations were on the table. Are we going to have six more years of war, 45,000 more dead US soldiers, and millions of dead Iraqis? Or are we going to pull our troops out, relinquish the Iraqi oil fields, and negotiate a peace?

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» Iraq is not Vietnam Posted by: feller
» RE: Iraq is not Vietnam Posted by: Conservativation
If war is the answer, what is the question?
Posted by: MelancholyEternalOptimist on Jun 8, 2006 10:43 AM   
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I am a college student trying to make sense of all of this... Forgive me if my comment drips with inexperience and ignorance. However, after this article I can stand keeping quiet anymore. I have been tyring to educate myself about our current political situation. Alternet has been an amazing resource. The more I read, the more fearful I become. Stories like this make me cringe and seriously consider moving to Europe. However, I understand that government corruption is unavoidable. But the events happening under our current administration are those that future generations will react to the same way I reacted to the My Lai Massacre, WWII, and slavery... "How could people just let it happen? How did people get away with it? Why didn't anyone do anything to stop it." But as each day ends, I sense a growing feeling of inability and inadequacy. How can I sit by and watch a diagnosably deranged chimp and his cronies steal their way into office not once, but twice and force us to endure such obvious attacks to our personal rights, common sense, and freedom? It is only because I have no idea what to do. I see my uncle live a loving and devoted life with his boyfriend without the hope of a legal marriage. I fear for women who may not have the right to choose what happens to their bodies. I fear for children of my generation who will grow up believing that all of their problems can be solved by a doctor with a prescription pad, I become enraged as another generation of young men and women are brainwashed, shipped off to kill and die, and may return home to a country full of resentment. I sweat every two weeks from anxiety of not being able to afford the gas to get to a job that barely pays for the cost of my education and meager living conditions. But the worst part is the feeling of losing hope for my future, losing the desire to have children lest I force them to live as programmed consumers in a failed Republican utopia. The more our society becomes automated, gageted, micromanaged, and digitized, the less real it is. We are being pushed in a direction that will leave the controllers in absolute control and the people powerless. The looting of private information is happening at a disgusting rate, we are being spied on, manipulated, lied to, patronized, and repressed. And all of this is being carried on with the arrogant sneer of a group of people who know they are doing wrong and love getting away with it. This is not the place I learned about as a child and it is not the place I want to grow up as an adult. What do I do? How can I better educate myself so that I can honestly say I did not stand by and watch my fellow humans being led to the slaughter of their intellect, faith, and hope? How can I participate in a system that would allow such things to happen without being brought down or dragged in? I just want a little guidance, just a little hope.

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Intellectual Honesty, Hyperbole, and Patrick Swayze
Posted by: Conservativation on Jun 8, 2006 12:24 PM   
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T>>>he fact is, every soldier, sailor, airman and Marine in a theater of combat is a potential "bad apple" if denied the discipline and leadership necessary to maintain a certain standard of conduct in conflict>>The Wolverines used every method necessary to combat the enemy occupier, who was equipped with tanks and superior firepower, including assassinations and improvised explosive devises."There is no standard for victory. They are deployed for six months, a year, or more, to a theater of operations that President Bush has already acknowledged will only be resolved by the next president>>The scope and scale of our crimes, as manifested in Iraq and elsewhere, are mind-boggling. The indifference of the American people is mind numbing

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Wrong
Posted by: Conservativation on Jun 8, 2006 12:36 PM   
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The Wolverines never killed their own, beheaded innocents that were there to help, etc. The comparison is silly. Be against the war if you like, I agree with many legitimate points there, but making the insurgents into heroes is a huge stretch. Iraqis may dislike the US, but they are not huge fans of these murderes either. They kill more Iraqis than Americans.

Please give me the list of other places in the world where we are breaking international law etc. The article says there are many others. Also, I guess Kosovo was not left from one President to another.

If you people had any sense of logic, you MUST be consistent! It resounds when you are consistent, and you don't just toss out zingers like kids arguing over a cookie.

What about Sudan? What should we do Scott? Send in UN troops? And do what? Kill some people to defend others? Innocents will die. They will die if we do nothing too. But they are more valuable than Iraqi innocents that were killed by Saddam no? Had Clinton sent troops in Rwanda you would have been all for it...as would I. You are sorry sad hypocrits.

I suggest a course in logic would be useful. I say that not to defend the war or the President, but to point out the utter lack of skill you have at making and defending points. It is not enough to allege folks, yet that's all you do, and when challenged, change subject to next allegation. Bush Lied...oh, um, Gitmo, oh well er, torture, er uh...whatever.

It would also help your cause if occasionally you wrote a sentence that recognizes how vile, evil and animalistic the slow slicing off of heads can be.

Finally, explain Canada being targeted. Are they not utopia?

I respect good anti war positions. This article isn't one.

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kelifornia
Posted by: kelifornia on Jun 8, 2006 1:25 PM   
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Scott Ritter's analysis is brilliant and insightful. So are those who condemn our leaders, Bush, Chaney, Rumsfield, etc. Let us not forget the complicity of the Congress and Senate. What makes this even more horrible to me is that now we have imprisoned in shackles 7 Marines and 1 Navy corpsman without a single charge being presented. Leaks from the top are daily, ensuring that these men won't have a fair trial. It is incredible to me that the American public is not demanding an end to the war and the return of our troops. At every turn the will of the people is ignored as our elected representatives do the bidding of corporate special interests. We need to change the form of government so we can kick out the bad ones quicker than every four years, get behind a third party (assuming we can find an ethical leader with some brains and charisma), and reverse the decisions that are destroying our country.

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Universal soldier
Posted by: Wish on Jun 8, 2006 2:10 PM   
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You just forget one thing. And it's always forgotten. So easily.
The Bushes, the Cheneys, the Rices, the 'Enemies'...no one could do anything if their weren't any soldiers to do their bidding.
There's nothing brave and honorable. In neither killing or dying.

If soldiers would just say no, there would be no fighting, there would be no war.
There wouldn't be the destruction, the lust for power, the wasting of lives, of resources, of disgusting amounts of money and intelligence that could have been put to GOOD use, making the world a truly better place.

And sure, just ridicule that and write it off as "lefty dreaming, utopia" or whatever foul you can come up with. So far, during all of the centuries, you haven't come up with anything better. Your way still does not work. And will never work.
Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.
It's so basic. But it takes effort. It needs giving, not taking. It needs love, not hatred.

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Show Me the Orders
Posted by: feller on Jun 8, 2006 4:37 PM   
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What a dreadful distortion. This man has no evidence that G. Bush or the Sec. of Defense encouraged military forces in Iraq to depart from ordinary rules of engagement and treatement of civilian. Hundreds of thousands of troops have rotated thru Iraq. No one would be alive in Iraq if Ritter's pernicious and sneaky inference were true.

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» Ridiculous logic Posted by: brunowe
Read Fisk & Hedges
Posted by: daverobinsonworks on Jun 9, 2006 4:13 AM   
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I urge everyone to read Michael Hedges' War is a Force that Gives Us Meaning and Robert Fisk's Great War For Civilization, daunting size notwithstanding. The extreme insanity of war can't help but turn us all into mutants. We must know our history if we're ever going to learn from our horrific mistakes and make the right choices moving forward.

Re: Ritter's article: Of course the fish rots from the head. It's also obvious that the tired, stupid "few bad apples" response disrespects our soldiers, the Haditha victims, and whatever remains of the common sense of the American people. BushCo has clear disdain for all, but what does anyone expect anymore from this Administration and its warped defenders.

What we have done to the Iraqi people since the Gulf War and our brutal, unconscionable sanctions is completely, nakedly criminal. Blood for oil is cliché but that's what it is: a nightmare, Smedley Butler lose/lose situation for our soldiers and the senseless destruction of a country that posed no threat to America. There is no way to justify the intentional killing of civilians (Itchyvet's comments above are right on with me). The soldiers who lost their minds in Haditha and similar massacres must be held accountable, but that's not nearly enough. A serious price must be paid by the Bush Administration and their enablers in both parties in Congress as well as the cheerleading main stream media that still can't get enough shock and awe - how many photos of Zarqawi's corpse will be enough? The idea that the Administration and their corporate supporters in and out of government are going to walk away from Haditha and everything else re: Iraq is too much for any honestly patriotic American citizen to ever countenance.

Clinton was impeached because of lies about sex - Bush's lies has destroyed thousands of lives and done untold damage to our country and the world for who knows how many years to come. I don't care about any of the political strategizing - wrong is wrong, lies are lies and dead is dead. Bush is a war criminal and we're all responsible for him remaining in power. Impeach the bastard right now.

We will be paying for this war for decades. We must reach out to our active duty personnel and our veterans with understanding, compassion and respect, fully funding the programs they need to deal with their PTSD and their other horrific wounds, and help them overcome their economic and family challenges as they return, forever changed, from Iraq and Afghanistan. And can any of us possibly understand the psychological effects on Iraqi civilians after all they've endured over the last 25 years between Saddam (our former ally), the Gulf War, sanctions and now our occupation of their ruined, poisoned country?

Support our soldiers - bring them all home now. Find a way to responsibly and compassionately assist Iraq rebuild their country as they see fit. Impeach Bush. And thank you nbrown for the timeline of Iraq war votes in the first comment above. Hold all politicians accountable if they supported or continue to support this war.

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» RE: ead Fisk & Hedges Posted by: Conservativation
» RE: ead Fisk & Hedges Posted by: Conservativation
rrreeaaallllyyyyy.......
Posted by: zombi on Jun 9, 2006 5:04 PM   
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i seem to recall uttering phrases like "one shot, one kill" & "trained to kill, kill i will" about 1,000,000 times more than i ever had to quote the rules of engagement. in fact, in the 3 years i was in, i was only questioned on whether i knew those rules once, & i was only asked to quote one of them.

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Blame for Haditha is the Bush war strategy
Posted by: MountainMike on Jun 10, 2006 1:00 AM   
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It is critical to go beyond blaming Bush to full recognition of the Vietnam like situation and the direct link to Vietnam like consequences. Soldiers on patrol in a war of ambush are targets. The enemy attacks, kills or maims your buddies, and then repeatedly melt back into the local population to escape. Soldiers are human and get extremely frustrated at both no effective way to NOT be the target while watching buddies getting killed or seriously maimed. Sooner or later, they are going to snap and open up on the local non combatants.

Yes, Bush needs to take the full blame, but unless we learn that it is the situation that generates the massacres we are going to repeat this in the future, just as we have repeated My Lai in Haditha.

This is precisely why "stay the course" is a grossly inadequate presidential response. That means many second and third tour of duty guys are going to be involved in this type of situation. It is the macho thing in the service to be in denial about the impact of combat. However, the impact is there psychologically. Maintaining a war of ambush with no front lines for political (not military) goals affording the enemy every opportunity for success gorilla tactics is not a course, it is a lack of a course.

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Scott you sound bitter
Posted by: curious George on Jun 11, 2006 4:56 AM   
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The post started with a presumption of innonence, and just took off from there.
I don't know what happened in Haditha, neither do you, I for one have decided to stop pre judging this event untill both sides of the story are told.
Reading these posts are very interesting, The reason that I view Alternet is to give myself a balanced view of the news.
A lot of finger pointing seems to be going on. Yes I listen to Rush,sean H.,cnn,msnbc,cbs,abc and whatever source of a story I can find.
It seems to me that a lot of breath is being wasted on Iraq
and how we got there.
Today is Jun 11 and we are there. So focus should be on what's next not how come.
It's a simple decision
1. stay the course
2. withdraw
If we stay, yes we will lose more soldiers to IED devices
and insurgents. But with time Iraq's Govt will get stronger
and eventually be able to impose the rule of law.
If we withdraw, We will have the best funded Terrorist Nation in the world. Cival war, maybe even Genocide.
You can blame whoever you want to for these events but that really won't change the options.
Decide which that you prefer and stick to it.

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There isn't a rats ass worth of differance between them.
Posted by: RhodesVan3000 on Jun 11, 2006 10:55 AM   
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Face it! At the top there isn't a rats ass worth of differance between the Dems and Republicans. Heads or tails? Two sides of the same coin.
Only at mid level and lower do Dems deserve our support.

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outside of the pentebox
Posted by: peridot on Jun 12, 2006 12:13 AM   
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Any yabbering about suppossed rules of warfare, decency or military ethics is just so much blather. A gaggle of phony 'men' whom by dilligent nurture of the big lie, abetted by America's corporate culture of corruption with a great assist by a fearful and ignorant electorate CHOSE to dishonor this once venerated republic with this wholly elective war against an essentially defenseless nation. I do not recall anyone wearing a uniform (mind you, there are seven thousand active and retired generals) who would stand and call it unworthy. Now we are left with the spectacle, as Ghandi had observed of the British Raj in India, of having to humiliate a people in order to rule over them. Mercifully, we have learned shamelessness very well.

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Rotana
Posted by: rotana on Jun 13, 2006 4:40 AM   
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Mr. Ricker, why did you go to Iraq? Why the Marines went to fight in Iraq? To uproot Saddam Hussein who was America's best ally a few years ago? Why Saddam Hussein? Is it because he killed people and is being now tried for killings in Halabja? How many Iraqis did the Americans kill? Oh, much much more than Saddam did and for what? Oil? We all know that, but it seems that you don't.. How many Americans have been killed and will be killed if and when your President - he's not mine for sure, I haven't elected him - or Ramsfield decide to withdraw from Iraq?

America launched a war against Vietnam.. Did she win? Certainly not, but the poor young soldiers were killed and injured becoming useless to the society and many became criminals especially that they found no jobs waiting for them!! America launched war against Corea!! Why? How many others did America launch war against? Afghanistan? The situation there is like Iraq, their situtation hasn't changed!! To establish democracy which Bush wants to establish in the Middle East? But Americans lack real democracy since this Bush and his Admin came to power!!!

You are waiting for investigation made by your Admin or it's followers who are in power today? But, Sir, you're not a fool.. They might incriminate one or more soldiers, but what will happen? Will they be punished? Yes, they will but just like those who committed atrocities in torturing Iraqi prisoners.. Blame or imprisonment of a month.. That would really compensate the Iraqis who lost their families and dignity!!

Wake up Sir, there is no JUSTICE with Bush and his Admin.. Instead, you and your fellow officers and soldiers should work to uproot this Bush and his Admin..

Yes, I'm angry at you for not seeing what a child is able to see.. I'm angry for the loss of so many young Americans who dies for no cause or more exactly for Ramsfield to benefit from Iraqi OIL.. Yes, I'm angry too for what's happening in Iraq, and other parts of the Muslim world.. Bush said it from the beginning: It's a crusade!!! Well, the old Crusaders were men and headed their armies, while Bush spends most of his time at Camp David!!!

Regards,

Rotana El-Ruby

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personal attacks
Posted by: vespasian01 on Jun 13, 2006 3:43 PM   
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Mr. Ritter has consistently presented reasoned arguments in this forum. His purpose appears to be the prevention of needless death. This particular article seems to have riled up every shithouse rat on Alternet's servers. Fuck them and their malformed sperm. Keep writing, Scott.

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elewis
Posted by: elewis on Jun 14, 2006 7:38 PM   
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After reading many articles and a great deal of commentary by we readers, I noticed that a few - not many but a few - people felt that the marines should be given the benefit of doubt. That brought to my mind a question, especially with all the no-knock Gestapo-like actions adopted and practiced across our land by "law enforcers".

Let us say that you are having a reunion dinner, with maybe 25 to 50 of your favorite relatives there. Suddenly, the doors and several key windows are smashed in, with black-masked and armored men entering. Every relative is shot multiple times and killed with you being the only survivor, as you were outside having a cigar behind a tree hiding from your wife or husband.

The carnage is horrendous. But, it is okay, because the enforcers in black, with large yellow letters telling you they are DEA, FBI, and local law enforcers, were acting on orders.
Never mind they were at the wrong building on the wrong street, and do not bring up that it is no excuse for them to blaze away because one of their own was killed in an earlier raid.

Now, correct me if I am wrong but I daresay that if Iraqis and Afghanis were here in this land, acting as those law enforcers, you would fight like hell against them.

Not only that, but if it were your family that was wasted by the feds and other enforcers, you might even decide to take out every one of them, or at least to strive to get justice.

Or, are we so pure that we can kill wantonly, as we know what is best for all, and never mind that murder occurs, as long as thugs with guns are "under orders".

As I stated elsewhere, we each have the individual choice to make. NO soldier (or law enforcer) has to obey any unlawful order, and if he/she cannot think rationally after another is killed, then by gosh, they are not fit for duty and should be given therapy by the US stnking government that put them - and us - in harm's way.

We should never, though, excuse away the atrocities done to other people. And, it seems it is the norm, as one studies US intevention all over the world. Want to see how deadly and ruthless the US Military is. Find a copy of The Panama Deception and watch it.

Find a copy of the many Falluja documentaries that are now available. Many in the military are just falt out over the line of decency, morality, and respect for human life. If not wearing a US uniform, other people are treated like so many crazed animals.

Of course, the Bush Regime of Idiots and Warmongers has worsened things, as it seems the military, cops, and others have free rein to torture (check out in jails and prisons for a shock) and treat we people as lower animals for which they have no respect at all.

Look at videos of how cops treat our people, shackling them and throwing them around like they are beasts to be tormented, with many people sufferieng all sorts of injuries that remain with them for years. An added ntoe here is that the only time one may be cuffed is when one is a danger to one's self or other people.

Put arms in their hands with the will to fire, and deaths are sure to happen, while the soldier/law enforcer believes he is a savior of America, the anti-thesis of what is actually going on.

The people in uniform are not saving America - they are destroying America and replacing it with a vile, ruthless, blood-letting, insane society known as AmeriKa.

We are not over there or in other countries to create free people - we are there to give them new masters - the US Government and its controllers.

Law enforcers, whether US Military or the State's standing army amongst us, are not defending freedom and rights - they are destorying them, acting ruthlessly in the best interests of those they actually serve - governments.

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Mr. Ricker, why did you go to Iraq? Why the Marines went to fight in Iraq?
Posted by: Twink on Aug 5, 2006 8:38 AM   
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Mr. Ricker, why did you go to Iraq? Why the Marines went to fight in Iraq? To uproot Saddam Hussein who was America's best ally a few years ago? Why Saddam Hussein? Is it because he killed people and is being now tried for killings in Halabja? How many Iraqis did the Americans kill? Oh, much much more than Saddam did and for what? Oil? We all know that, but it seems that you don't.. How many Americans have been killed and will be killed if and when your President - he's not mine for sure, I haven't elected him - or Ramsfield decide to withdraw from Iraq?

America launched a war against Vietnam.. Did she win? Certainly not, but the poor young soldiers were killed and injured becoming useless to the society and many became criminals especially that they found no jobs waiting for them!! America launched war against Corea!! Why? How many others did America launch war against? Afghanistan? The situation there is like Iraq, their situtation hasn't changed!! To establish democracy which Bush wants to establish in the Middle East? But Americans lack real democracy since this Bush and his Admin came to power!!!

You are waiting for investigation made by your Admin or it's followers who are in power today? But, Sir, you're not a fool.. They might incriminate one or more soldiers, but what will happen? Will they be punished? Yes, they will but just like those who committed atrocities in torturing Iraqi prisoners.. Blame or imprisonment of a month.. That would really compensate the Iraqis who lost their families and dignity!!

Wake up Sir, there is no JUSTICE with Bush and his Admin.. Instead, you and your fellow officers and soldiers should work to uproot this Bush and his Admin..
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Yes, I'm angry at you for not seeing what a child is able to see.. I'm angry for the loss of so many young Americans who dies for no cause or more exactly for Ramsfield to benefit from Iraqi OIL.. Yes, I'm angry too for what's happening in Iraq, and other parts of the Muslim world.. Bush said it from the beginning: It's a crusade!!! Well, the old Crusaders were men and headed their armies, while Bush spends most of his time at Camp David!!!

Regards,

Rotana El-Ruby

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