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In a remarkable article from USA Today last week, the Colorado Rockies went public with the news that the organization has been explicitly looking for players with "character." And according to the Tribe of Coors, "character" means accepting Jesus Christ as your personal lord and savior. "We're nervous, to be honest with you," Rockies general manager Dan O'Dowd said. "It's the first time we ever talked about these issues publicly. The last thing we want to do is offend anyone because of our beliefs." When people are nervous that they will offend you with their beliefs, it's usually because their beliefs are offensive.
As Rockies chairman and CEO Charlie Monfort said, "We had to go to hell and back to know where the Holy Grail is. We went through a tough time and took a lot of arrows."
Club president Keli McGregor chimed in, "Who knows where we go from here? The ability to handle success will be a big part of the story, too. [Note to McGregor: You're in fourth place.] There will be distractions. There will be things that can change people. But we truly do have something going on here. And [God's] using us in a powerful way."
Well, someone is using somebody, but it ain't God. San Francisco Giants first baseman-outfielder Mark Sweeney, who spent 2003 and 2004 with the Rockies, said, "You wonder if some people are going along with it just to keep their jobs. Look, I pray every day. I have faith. It's always been part of my life. But I don't want something forced on me. Do they really have to check to see whether I have a Playboy in my locker?"
Then there is manager Clint Hurdle and GM O'Dowd. Hurdle, who has guided the team to a Philistine 302-376 record since 2002, as well as fourth or fifth place finishes every year, was rewarded with a 2007 contract extension in the off-season. Hurdle also claims he became a Christian three years ago and says, "We're not going to hide it. We're not going to deny it. This is who we are."
O'Dowd, who also received a contract extension, believes that their 27-26 2006 record has resulted from the active intervention of the Almighty. "You look at things that have happened to us this year. You look at some of the moves we made and didn't make. You look at some of the games we're winning. Those aren't just a coincidence. God has definitely had a hand in this." Or maybe the management that prays together gets paid together.
O'Dowd and company bend over backward in the article to say they are "tolerant" of other views on the club, but that's contradicted by statements like this from CEO Monfort: "I don't want to offend anyone, but I think character-wise we're stronger than anyone in baseball. Christians, and what they've endured, are some of the strongest people in baseball. I believe God sends signs, and we're seeing those." Assumedly, Shawn Green (Jew), Ichiro Suzuki (Shinto) or any of the godless players from Cuba don't have the "character" Monfort is looking for.
Also, there are only two African-American players on the Rockies active roster. Is this because Monfort doesn't think black players have character? Does the organization endorse the statement of its stadium's namesake, William Coors, who told a group of black businessmen in 1984 that Africans "lack the intellectual capacity to succeed, and it's taking them down the tubes"? These are admittedly difficult questions. But these are the questions that need to be posed when the wafting odor of discrimination clouds the air.
Then there are the fans. I spoke with journalist Tom Krattenmaker, who has studied the connection between religion and sports. Krattenmaker said, "I have concerns about what this Christianization of the Rockies means for the community that supports the team in and around Denver--a community in which evangelical Christians are probably a minority, albeit a large and influential one. Taxpayers and ticket-buyers in a religiously diverse community have a right not to see their team--a quasi-public resource--used for the purpose of advancing a specific form of religion. Have the Colorado Rockies become a faith-based organization? This can be particularly problematic when the religion in question is one that makes exclusive claims and sometimes denigrates the validity of other belief systems."
You might think MLB Commissioner Bud Selig would have something stirring to say about this issue. But Selig, who hasn't actually registered a pulse since 1994, only said meekly, "They have to do what they feel is right."
It's not surprising that Selig would play it soft. First and foremost, Bud's First Commandment is "Thou Shalt Not Criticize the Owners. Second, Selig and Major League Baseball this year are experimenting for the first time with Faith Days at the Park. As if last season's Military Appreciation Nights weren't enough, the New York Times reported that this summer "religious promotions will hit Major League Baseball. The Atlanta Braves are planning three Faith Days this season, the Arizona Diamondbacks one. The Florida Marlins have tentatively scheduled a Faith Night for September." These religious promotions are attractive to owners because they leverage a market of evangelical Christians who are accustomed to mass worship in stadiums at events staged by sports-driven proselytizers like Promise Keepers and Athletes in Action.
As part of the MLB promotion, the Times reports, "local churches will get discounted tickets to family-friendly evenings of music and sports with a Christian theme. And in return, they mobilize their vast infrastructure of e-mail and phone lists, youth programs and chaperones, and of course their bus fleets, to help fill the stands."
At one of the Faith Days in Atlanta, the team will sell special vouchers. After the game, the stands will be cleared and then only those with the specially purchased vouchers will be re-admitted. Those lucky chosen "will be treated to an hour and a half of Christian music and a testimonial from the ace pitcher John Smoltz." Smoltz is the player who in 2004 opined on gay marriage to the Associated Press, saying, "What's next? Marrying an animal?" Good times for the whole family.
The Rockies right now are a noxious reflection of a time in US history when generals speak of crusades and the President recounts his personal conversations with Yahweh. ("You're doing a heckuva job, Goddy!")
If Monfort, O'Dowd and Hurdle want to pray on their own time, more power to them. But the ballpark isn't a church. Smoltz isn't a preacher. And fans aren't a flock. Instead of using their position of commercial power to field a God Squad, the Rockies might want to think about getting some decent players. There was once this guy named Babe Ruth. Not too much for the religion, and his character was less than sterling. But I hear he could play some decent ball.
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Posted by: kkinder on Jun 7, 2006 1:19 AM
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Maybe the Rockies should move to Colorado Springs.
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Posted by: LMNOP on Jun 7, 2006 3:19 AM
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So I guess if its OK to discriminate in favor of Christians when hiring, it is OK to discriminate against them. I employ three people in a small business. One of them reads the Bible at lunch and another has a Jesus fish on her car [picture me beaming ear to ear in anticipation of exercising my new right to discriminate by religious preference]
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Posted by: mysticpal on Jun 7, 2006 5:00 AM
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God must not have got around to smiting the Philadelphia Phillies yet for their gay fan promotions -- they're doing well.
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Posted by: weiwuwei on Jun 7, 2006 5:43 AM
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all this religous postering of superior character(simply by labeling oneself a christian) is funny to those who are not hypnotized by it. but it's scary in a way, too. as the nazis were slowly coming to power in the early 30's, one aspect of it was that religion(and they were "good christians") started creeping in and co-opting all areas of secular life and the prevailing attitude became like what the GM says about christians having more character, etc(ie: morally superior). Us and them, Us against them. Think this is alarmist, paranoia, fear mongering? I sometimes think so myself, but then I'm again reminded that throughout history totalitarian govts always come in slowly, in little steps, and then it's here. couldn't happen here? of course not...we're too smart, too enlightened for that, we have "democracy" and so on. i know this has drifted off the subject, but this christian-ization of sports, etc is a sympton of the creeping blindness of nationalism and moral superiority which allows the blinded to justify whatever they want to do. It happens gradually and i see more of it all the time. how long do we stay in denial untill we admit what's slowly happening?i'm not naive enough to think it couldn't happen here. so i've got to find a way to laugh at it.
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Posted by: gpm on Jun 7, 2006 6:24 AM
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This issue affects my life precisely as much as gay marriage does: Not at all.
Incidentally, as I read the Rockies' starting lineup last night, I realized I didn't recognize one name other than Helton. Says something about the sustainability of their approach, doesn't it?
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Posted by: chaoslegs on Jun 7, 2006 7:09 AM
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(much tongue in cheek)
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Posted by: Scientz on Jun 7, 2006 7:36 AM
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It's just as offensive to me as believing that God wants devout Muslims to blow themselves up on Israeli public transit, or that God decided to become a first century Jew.
I have accepted God into my life, and God is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith.
To me, that is truly a God worth having faith in.
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Posted by: pelle_in_goal on Jun 7, 2006 7:47 AM
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Williams Coors accepted Jesus Christ "as his personal Lord and Saviour" when he first pumped his brewery millions into supporting the Powell Memorandum -- and all its conniving tenets. The Powell Memorandum was the clarion call for Big Business to restore the unmitigated greed of corporations and create a Right Wing stranglehold on the country's electorate. Meanwhile, GOP billionaires would generously endow Powellism since it also called for neutralizing and smearing the American Left.
And once they figured out they could save some of their own money by tapping the Christian Right for theirs and in the process wrap Powellism up with "The Lord's Robe": mission accomplished.
Virtually all sports team owners are Republicans. Bill DeWitt, for instance, chaired Bush's Presidential campaign in Ohio back in 2000. When ho "asked" George Bush to throw out the first ball in St. Louis back in 2004, he had the stadium PA hyped when Bush came out on the field.
So the best sports bet this year is that any so-called "Christian Values" Night is nothing more than a campaign stunt by the GOP in an election year -- when the GOP's ethical performance is at all-time low.
Of course, the effort will succeed. Nobody in the MSM is going to come out against God, for Pete's sake.
Speaking of Pete, Peter Coors still has ambitions of high political office. I'm sure he thinks his family deserves to be rewarded for all its public service for the GOP.
Therefore, The Rockies being baseballs most "Christian" team is no "boating accident." It is purely politically motivated.
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Piazza? Piazza? Anyone?
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Posted by: dismayed on Jun 7, 2006 9:52 AM
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Posted by: rogeralexander on Jun 7, 2006 9:54 AM
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Unless every pissed-off American supports/promotes a Third Alternative, there's no chance of living a decent life in a secular America.
Or else, say hallelujha for every point scored by the Rockies!
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Posted by: popsicle67 on Jun 7, 2006 9:58 AM
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god is happy with the way they hire his believers is the very essence of sinful pride. It would be satisfying to see who they
blame if they end up in the cellar
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Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Jun 7, 2006 10:51 AM
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Isn't it funny that year after year the Rockies are always at the bottom of the NL West in a pathetic division? I think God wants off that team. Maybe He'll demand a trade.
Religion and sports are a queer mix. Players pray before and after games. To survive the rigors of playing every day and to avoid a "career"-threatening injury. God could care less about a team winning. In fact, He might be out having a beer or lecturing His saints or something. We don't know.
Here's an idea to help Colorado's beleaguered baseball bums:
Change your name to the Gods. You know it'll take "divine" intervention for them to make it to the post-season. God help you.
Or they can recruit Jesus to manage them. He'll grow weary of another last-place finish. Let's see if Rockies brass has the guts to fire him. The devil's in the details.
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Posted by: Wish on Jun 7, 2006 11:15 AM
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Why is it that the US is filled with lunatics, acting out the most ludicrous deeds in the name of this or that god?
Plus, you really think that god of yours really gives a shit about basketball?? Oh wait, you just found a new addition to your fundamentilst bible, no doubt.
If all those people calling themselves "christian" would perform true acts according to the christ (you know, love thy neighbour, peace (Jesus was the ulitmate pacifist), honesty, and that sort of things are mostly left out of the picture), you'd have Eden right there in your own backyard.
"christians"...the only thing that's holy for you, is the buck. The Holy Buck. Just remember what Jesus did with the moneyexchangers in the temple....
No, I am not a christian. I prefer not to be such a hypocrite.
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Posted by: Roverton on Jun 7, 2006 11:44 AM
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Might wanna double check who actually manages the mamagers of your little athletic group there.
Is it warm in here or is it you?
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Posted by: Roverton on Jun 7, 2006 11:58 AM
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Helping "Your own" isn't Christian. That's anyone anywhere. Helping ALL is Christian.
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Jon Stewart had a great line on this message, paraprased "George Bush quit drinking when he found Jesus. That's fine. I quit because I got tired of the taste of my own vomit. That's fine also, but not according to him."
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Posted by: rbohan on Jun 10, 2006 6:02 AM
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If the team a policy, overt or covert, of not hiring African-American players, that's a problem (mostly for the team, of course). If the team is using Christianity or any other faith simply as a marketing tool (a distinct possibility of course), that makes me angry. And if the team is using adherence to Christianity as some sort of internal litmus test for whose "in" and whose "out", I'd remind them in the strongest terms I could muster that this is EXACTLY what Christ stood against. While the author does touch on some of these issues, he seems mostly to be animated simply by the fact that some people of faith associated with the team are saying that they are, in fact, people of faith and that it informs how they carry out their lives on all fronts.
There is a lot of bad shit that faux "Christians" like Gary Dobson, Pat Robertson, and a number of bishops from my own Catholic Church are spreading around. And gosh knows that people like GWB are perversions of Christianity, claiming that God speaks to them in order to start terrible and unneeded wars. But to simply derogate anyone, as the author does, because they express faith, is snotty, arrogant, and elitist.
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Maybe the Rockies should move to Colorado Springs.
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So I guess if its OK to discriminate in favor of Christians when hiring, it is OK to discriminate against them. I employ three people in a small business. One of them reads the Bible at lunch and another has a Jesus fish on her car [picture me beaming ear to ear in anticipation of exercising my new right to discriminate by religious preference]
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Posted by: mysticpal on Jun 7, 2006 5:00 AM
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God must not have got around to smiting the Philadelphia Phillies yet for their gay fan promotions -- they're doing well.
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all this religous postering of superior character(simply by labeling oneself a christian) is funny to those who are not hypnotized by it. but it's scary in a way, too. as the nazis were slowly coming to power in the early 30's, one aspect of it was that religion(and they were "good christians") started creeping in and co-opting all areas of secular life and the prevailing attitude became like what the GM says about christians having more character, etc(ie: morally superior). Us and them, Us against them. Think this is alarmist, paranoia, fear mongering? I sometimes think so myself, but then I'm again reminded that throughout history totalitarian govts always come in slowly, in little steps, and then it's here. couldn't happen here? of course not...we're too smart, too enlightened for that, we have "democracy" and so on. i know this has drifted off the subject, but this christian-ization of sports, etc is a sympton of the creeping blindness of nationalism and moral superiority which allows the blinded to justify whatever they want to do. It happens gradually and i see more of it all the time. how long do we stay in denial untill we admit what's slowly happening?i'm not naive enough to think it couldn't happen here. so i've got to find a way to laugh at it.
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This issue affects my life precisely as much as gay marriage does: Not at all.
Incidentally, as I read the Rockies' starting lineup last night, I realized I didn't recognize one name other than Helton. Says something about the sustainability of their approach, doesn't it?
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It's just as offensive to me as believing that God wants devout Muslims to blow themselves up on Israeli public transit, or that God decided to become a first century Jew.
I have accepted God into my life, and God is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith.
To me, that is truly a God worth having faith in.
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Williams Coors accepted Jesus Christ "as his personal Lord and Saviour" when he first pumped his brewery millions into supporting the Powell Memorandum -- and all its conniving tenets. The Powell Memorandum was the clarion call for Big Business to restore the unmitigated greed of corporations and create a Right Wing stranglehold on the country's electorate. Meanwhile, GOP billionaires would generously endow Powellism since it also called for neutralizing and smearing the American Left.
And once they figured out they could save some of their own money by tapping the Christian Right for theirs and in the process wrap Powellism up with "The Lord's Robe": mission accomplished.
Virtually all sports team owners are Republicans. Bill DeWitt, for instance, chaired Bush's Presidential campaign in Ohio back in 2000. When ho "asked" George Bush to throw out the first ball in St. Louis back in 2004, he had the stadium PA hyped when Bush came out on the field.
So the best sports bet this year is that any so-called "Christian Values" Night is nothing more than a campaign stunt by the GOP in an election year -- when the GOP's ethical performance is at all-time low.
Of course, the effort will succeed. Nobody in the MSM is going to come out against God, for Pete's sake.
Speaking of Pete, Peter Coors still has ambitions of high political office. I'm sure he thinks his family deserves to be rewarded for all its public service for the GOP.
Therefore, The Rockies being baseballs most "Christian" team is no "boating accident." It is purely politically motivated.
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Piazza? Piazza? Anyone?
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Unless every pissed-off American supports/promotes a Third Alternative, there's no chance of living a decent life in a secular America.
Or else, say hallelujha for every point scored by the Rockies!
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god is happy with the way they hire his believers is the very essence of sinful pride. It would be satisfying to see who they
blame if they end up in the cellar
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Isn't it funny that year after year the Rockies are always at the bottom of the NL West in a pathetic division? I think God wants off that team. Maybe He'll demand a trade.
Religion and sports are a queer mix. Players pray before and after games. To survive the rigors of playing every day and to avoid a "career"-threatening injury. God could care less about a team winning. In fact, He might be out having a beer or lecturing His saints or something. We don't know.
Here's an idea to help Colorado's beleaguered baseball bums:
Change your name to the Gods. You know it'll take "divine" intervention for them to make it to the post-season. God help you.
Or they can recruit Jesus to manage them. He'll grow weary of another last-place finish. Let's see if Rockies brass has the guts to fire him. The devil's in the details.
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Why is it that the US is filled with lunatics, acting out the most ludicrous deeds in the name of this or that god?
Plus, you really think that god of yours really gives a shit about basketball?? Oh wait, you just found a new addition to your fundamentilst bible, no doubt.
If all those people calling themselves "christian" would perform true acts according to the christ (you know, love thy neighbour, peace (Jesus was the ulitmate pacifist), honesty, and that sort of things are mostly left out of the picture), you'd have Eden right there in your own backyard.
"christians"...the only thing that's holy for you, is the buck. The Holy Buck. Just remember what Jesus did with the moneyexchangers in the temple....
No, I am not a christian. I prefer not to be such a hypocrite.
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Might wanna double check who actually manages the mamagers of your little athletic group there.
Is it warm in here or is it you?
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Helping "Your own" isn't Christian. That's anyone anywhere. Helping ALL is Christian.
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Jon Stewart had a great line on this message, paraprased "George Bush quit drinking when he found Jesus. That's fine. I quit because I got tired of the taste of my own vomit. That's fine also, but not according to him."
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If the team a policy, overt or covert, of not hiring African-American players, that's a problem (mostly for the team, of course). If the team is using Christianity or any other faith simply as a marketing tool (a distinct possibility of course), that makes me angry. And if the team is using adherence to Christianity as some sort of internal litmus test for whose "in" and whose "out", I'd remind them in the strongest terms I could muster that this is EXACTLY what Christ stood against. While the author does touch on some of these issues, he seems mostly to be animated simply by the fact that some people of faith associated with the team are saying that they are, in fact, people of faith and that it informs how they carry out their lives on all fronts.
There is a lot of bad shit that faux "Christians" like Gary Dobson, Pat Robertson, and a number of bishops from my own Catholic Church are spreading around. And gosh knows that people like GWB are perversions of Christianity, claiming that God speaks to them in order to start terrible and unneeded wars. But to simply derogate anyone, as the author does, because they express faith, is snotty, arrogant, and elitist.
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